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00:00:33.600Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:37.980Our guest today is the brilliant cybersecurity expert, Mike Benz.
00:00:42.420He's the executive director for the Foundation for Freedom Online.
00:00:46.440And the last time Mike and I were talking, we ran a little bit out of time.
00:00:51.800We had some unfinished business to get to regarding Bill Barr, the NSA, the CIA, and much more.
00:00:59.180And now I'm pleased to say with us is Mike Benz.
00:01:02.180And as I have often said, no one comes in a close second to him when it comes to his knowledge of the intelligence community, cyber, and the machinations of the various interested parties that make up the federal government.
00:01:21.380Mike, it's great to have you back with us.
00:01:22.960And thank you for your time, as always.
00:01:25.060I want to start with where we were the last time we were speaking.
00:01:28.780We were talking about a fellow by the name of Bill Barr, who started his career, you were saying, as a mop-up man for the CIA.
00:01:40.960And as you noted, he ended his career in much the same way.
00:01:47.280I'd like to go back to that point where he's mopping up and the foundation for all that followed in his career.
00:01:55.440So if you will, take us back to the early 70s.
00:02:19.440So Bill Barr was the attorney general twice now in our nation's history, the most recent time for the Trump administration, and then also under former CIA director, turned vice president, turned president George Bush from 1991 until the turnover to the Clinton administration in 1993.
00:02:41.680And how he rose to the position of attorney general, not once but twice, was a career through the CIA.
00:02:50.600So in the early 1970s, Bill Barr was a CIA analyst who then was vaulted into a role of CIA liaison to Congress during the church committee hearings.
00:03:03.000When the CIA was under the gun of Congress, both the church committee and Pike committee, there were simultaneous House and Senate hearings that that effectively established the first congressional oversight of the CIA.
00:03:20.600It had no formal congressional oversight until the church committee hearings in 1975.
00:03:25.400That's what established what is now our Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and our House Intelligence Committee.
00:03:31.360And those hearings were absolutely devastating to the CIA's reputation.
00:03:36.080Folks may recall Frank Church, the senator, holding up the heart attack gun, for example, which was unveiled, used as an assassination weapon by the agency to kill people.
00:03:46.780But instead of it looking like a murder, it would look like a heart attack because of the unique method of death that the that the dart from the gun would cause.
00:03:56.340The CIA was also busted assassinating world leaders like Lumumba and Congo and Allende and Chile and was essentially a whole coterie of things from regime change operations to control over the media, both internationally and even domestically at home, as well as CIA activities to manipulate student groups.
00:04:18.340And in order to manipulate them from a anti-war posture into a pro-war posture, all of this came to the fore in the church committee hearings in 1975.
00:04:28.960And Frank Church was seeking these sensitive documents about CIA secrets.
00:04:34.840And Bill Barr was credited as the man inside the CIA who successfully blocked much of that.
00:04:40.900A lot of people to this day who are concerned about intelligence committee oversight talk about the church committee as being something of a whitewash.
00:04:47.700Because most of the sensitive documents Congress was seeking were blocked and they were blocked by none other than Bill Barr, who then would reprise his role as a janitor sweeping up CIA secrets, blocking them from American public access or knowledge or oversight from Congress in the Iran-Contra scandal of the early 1980s.
00:05:08.240This was when the Congress had passed a bill prohibiting US taxpayer money flowing to the Nicaraguan Contras, who the Bush administration was trying to orchestrate a coup to turn over their democratically elected government.
00:05:24.080But the CIA and the CIA and the National Security Council went behind Congress's back and essentially engaged in a combination of drug smuggling, paramilitary arms running, money laundering.
00:05:35.780And it all came came crashing down when one of the CIA pilots was shot down over Nicaragua and his basically CIA badge was was found on his person.
00:05:47.740This popped open the Iran-Contra scandal.
00:05:50.940And it was Bill Barr once again, who in the early 1980s then fended off Congress from from any sort of thorough investigation of the CIA's role in it.
00:06:00.500And then basically they they threw the hammer at at the National Security Council's Poindexter and others who were then pardoned and they got away with it.
00:06:13.240Thanks to Bill Barr and Bill Barr's reward for being such a good janitor, sweeping it up for the intelligence community's crimes was that he was made head of the criminal justice system of the United States for George Bush,
00:06:25.980who was the CIA director himself in 1976 before ultimately becoming president.
00:06:31.720And then, of course, it was those same CIA scandals that came back to haunt the Trump administration when the CIA on January 6th, 2017,
00:06:41.280first wrote the memo that declared the 2016 election to be functionally invalid because Russia had meddled in our elections on social media.
00:06:50.200This CIA memo in January 2017 ultimately produced the censorship industry architecture that we now live under because the idea that the Russians had interfered in our election on social media,
00:07:03.160thanks to the CIA's essentially, you know, rubber stamping that is the official story, allowed the CIA and the FBI and DHS and other military and intelligence folks to saturate and descend on the social media companies like a swarm of vultures.
00:07:20.500And they very quickly transitioned from stopping Russian disinformation to stopping domestic mis and disinformation,
00:07:27.840i.e. anything true that the military or intelligence state does not want you to believe.
00:07:33.160You know, it's incredible when you look at it over that canvas of time.
00:07:38.500George H.W. Bush, director of the CIA.
00:07:44.520Bill Barr, I mean, his career is basically based on the foundation.
00:07:54.720All of his achievements are basically about protecting the agency that he obviously dearly loved
00:08:01.860and which reciprocated by protecting him throughout.
00:08:08.000As you say, the idea that George H.W. Bush, Bill Barr have these careers that are intertwined.
00:08:18.320They are, it's certainly, it's symbiotic with any other definition would work,
00:08:26.100but symbiotic seems to work best to think that we, you know,
00:08:32.680the American people really didn't know what was going on because the national mainstream media wasn't speaking.
00:08:38.920Because much of the mainstream media in those days was made up of CIA, FBI, acolytes,
00:08:47.680all worshiping at the altar of national security and whatever that meant was just fine with them.
00:08:54.720It is to me remarkable that Bill Barr has to this day gotten away with that job, as you call it, and it's apt.
00:09:09.000The janitor for the CIA in particular, he didn't do a bad job at the Department of Justice either, did he?
00:11:18.560The president can't know about it effectively.
00:11:20.460The American people can't know about it because the CIA is effectively tasked with not informing the State Department of of the of the specific means
00:11:30.360that they use to get that done, i.e., the the sort of parameters of the operation are tasked with the CIA.
00:11:37.560And then these dirty deeds using money laundering or narco trafficking or paramilitary support are effectively left to the CIA's means.
00:11:47.220But what you're really dealing with here is a CIA is kind of a corrupt branch of a very rotted, corrupted tree.
00:11:56.680And it's those it's those deep roots within the National Security Council, within the State Department, the DOD that we're talking about.
00:12:03.000But it is interesting that if you just look at the the scope of the past 40 years of who you've had a choice to choose from between in the pre-Trump era.
00:12:12.860You know, Barack Obama has a very interesting history, for example, with the with the intelligence community.
00:12:18.820His mother was working with USAID in Indonesia.
00:12:23.980USAID was is sort of the classic CIA front.
00:12:27.840It was set up in 1961 to coordinate the aid that the CIA, the State Department and DOD were all giving for their for their own operations.
00:12:36.880Mike, let me interrupt just for a second, because that is too good of a tease for what we're about to talk about.
00:12:47.840And as you can tell, knowledgeable and fascinating fellow with a lot of insight into to intelligence, the military industrial, military industrial complex.
00:13:06.380And so we're just going to wait just for a moment, tease you just a little bit, but much more to come.
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00:15:14.740Sort of the origins of Barack Obama and his political career.
00:15:18.300A lot of folks know that he sort of comes from that Chicagoland.
00:15:23.380Penny Pritzker was a big backer of his career.
00:15:27.160The Pritzkers are sort of all over the intelligence world and commerce and politics.
00:15:33.400And J.B. Pritzker is currently the governor of Illinois.
00:15:37.140But before that, his origin story itself is quite interesting.
00:15:42.100Before his time at Harvard and Harvard Law.
00:15:44.680So his mother, Ann Dunham, I'll just read a few things just you can find in a simple Google search if you just put in Obama's mother, USAID.
00:15:55.760Now, USAID, she was formerly, his mother worked for USAID.
00:15:59.760Now, USAID is the classic CIA financial front.
00:16:03.960It was set up in 1961 in order to coordinate all of the logistical, financial and support aid that the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department were all running to their different proxies in different countries.
00:16:17.000So they were stepping over each other.
00:16:18.940That is, we wanted to, you know, the CIA wanted to run arms to a CIA backed paramilitary in one place.
00:16:25.400The military wanted to run food to a to a military group they were backing on one side of a war.
00:16:32.100The State Department wanted to run resources to a group that was getting State Department grants.
00:16:37.040And all this aid was tripping over itself.
00:16:39.480And so they centralized it all in the form of USAID.
00:16:45.560OK, it's an it's a soft power projection mechanism.
00:16:48.440That is, anytime USAID gives out money, it has to be to advance a U.S. foreign policy goal, which is the same mandate the CIA has, just as the State Department does.
00:16:59.340And so so Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, worked for USAID in the 1960s.
00:17:05.340This is right ahead of of the of the Church Committee hearings in the in the 60s and 70s.
00:17:11.740She was working specifically for a long time on Indonesia, exactly when the CIA was conducting a regime change operation in Indonesia.
00:17:21.060She also worked as a consultant for the Ford Foundation, which was busted at that time while she was working at the Ford Foundation.
00:17:29.820The Ford Foundation later came up as one of the marquee foundations that the CIA was using as a pass through for CIA money laundering operations.
00:17:38.400You can watch a 1967 CBS special called In the Pay of the CIA, which goes through the Ford Foundation's role as a CIA conduit at the exact time his mother was working there.
00:17:51.400Also, we worked at the Asia Foundation, which was later unveiled as a CIA front.
00:17:55.540Also for Development Alternatives, Inc., which was a company that specialized in providing cover for CIA employees.
00:18:02.400Also at the East West Center of Hawaii, which has is also been dogged by the same allegations as the Asia Foundation.
00:18:10.440This is essentially for work that we were doing in the Philippines and in Southeast Asia.
00:18:17.680And so you have this this history where the mother is working for a CIA front, is a consultant for four four entities, all either discovered to be or alleged to be CIA fronts.
00:18:31.700And then he's catapulted into into Harvard, despite us not knowing his academic record and, you know, apparently being on drugs for a fair amount of the time.
00:18:42.700And then he's immediately picked up by the Saul Linsky Network in Chicago.
00:18:46.860And then from there, he's immediately vaulted into political power by the Pritzkers, who have three or four generations of work with the with the intelligence community, the mafia and money laundering rings around hotels and casinos.
00:19:03.040And so, you know, he's it's this nexus between the mob, the military, commerce and justice, which is a story that we see seen a thousand times in American politics.
00:19:15.900It's the same story, essentially, essentially with with Bill Barr, as we discussed.
00:19:20.120But, you know, this this situation where you have people working their way through CIA families or CIA sort of legacy family connections or CIA incubators before they make their way to the presidency is something we've now been dealing with this and dealing with in this country for about 40 years.
00:19:38.480So we started by talking about Bill Barr and, you know, the Reagan administration in the in the 1980s.
00:19:46.160Well, you know, George H.W. Bush, who was vice president, then became president.
00:19:50.800And I mentioned that Bill Barr was the cover up artist for for Iran Contra.
00:19:54.800He was the one who defended the CIA against Congress and Congress's request for documents about the Iran Contra scandal,
00:20:02.160where the CIA was running, was taking drugs from Colombia, flying it to MENA, Arkansas, converting it to cash, buying guns and sending those guns back to the CIA back paramilitary contra group.
00:20:16.060Well, who was the governor of Arkansas at the time when the CIA was running this operation?
00:20:22.380Can you think about someone who started their career as they were they were Georgetown, Rhodes Scholar, Northeast, you know, royalty could have done anything,
00:20:34.540but instead goes goes back to the middle of Arkansas for their career and becomes state attorney general and then governor of the state of Arkansas?
00:20:44.340Who was Mr. Arkansas at the time when the CIA was running the Iran Contra operation?
00:20:53.260So Bill Clinton then goes on to be president, basically the guy who was assisting the CIA operation that Bill Barr was protecting.
00:21:01.900So it goes from Bill Clinton then down then to George George Bush, you know, George George W. Bush, who, of course, was the governor of Texas,
00:21:10.640but also the son of the former CIA director and president George H.W. Bush.
00:21:15.680Who does George Bush run against for president in 2004?
00:21:18.560John Kerry. Well, how did John Kerry get started in his career?
00:21:22.260Well, when he was a senator, he was the one who wrote the report, the whitewash report on the CIA's role in Iran Contra.
00:21:29.680You can look up something called the John Kerry report, the called the Kerry report.
00:21:33.560He was supposed to be the one to get to the bottom of CIA malfeasance in Iran Contra.
00:21:38.860The operation that Bill Clinton was hosting in Arkansas and that the Republican CIA was carrying carrying out to get around Congress under George Bush that Bill Barr covered up.
00:21:51.380So so John is CIA versus CIA, essentially.
00:21:54.360And of course, John Kerry would go on to be the secretary of state after Hillary Clinton in 2014,
00:22:00.960when Hillary Clinton was making her run for the for the presidential election contest in 2016.
00:22:07.240Now, of course, the the State Department is the big daddy over the CIA.
00:22:12.320As I said, the CIA is sort of the black box that the State Department gives the dirty deeds to.
00:22:18.200That way, the State Department objective can get done.
00:22:20.320But Congress and the president don't get to know how it was done.
00:22:25.000They don't end any investigation to how it gets done, gets covered up because the CIA then intermediates with the Justice Department to protect the criminal, the criminal elements of the operation.
00:22:34.680So then you have the 2008 presidential contest where it was Barack Obama versus John McCain.
00:22:40.780Well, where did John McCain come from?
00:22:44.360Well, in 1983, as Bill Barr was doing his mop up work for the CIA, the CIA had just endured this brutal public beatdown from the Democrats because of all their domestic meddling in elections and domestic meddling in politics in the 60s and 70s.
00:23:01.080And so Jimmy Carter effectively neutered a large portion of CIA operations.
00:23:05.920He did something that was called the Halloween massacre, where he he laid off 30 percent of the operations division of the CIA in a single night.
00:23:13.220So the CIA hated Jimmy Carter and they hated the Democrats at the time who were putting caps on CIA activity.
00:23:19.940So what what the CIA director of that in 1983, William Colby, did, William Colby would then die of a mysterious boating accident near his own home that is still unsolved to this day.
00:23:32.380But the CIA director, William Colby, then wrote a letter to the attorney general of the United States.
00:23:37.860So the CIA wrote a letter to the Justice Department calling for the establishment of a brand new tool called the National Endowment for Democracy.
00:23:45.960And the reason that the CIA wanted to set up a national endowment for democracy was so that when the CIA operations were discovered in the country, it would not be traceable to the CIA.
00:23:56.760There would be a nonprofit promoting democracy.
00:24:00.340That would be the CIA intermediary, but it wouldn't look like the CIA was doing it would look like an NGO was doing it.
00:24:07.140OK, that's literally the the almost that's the almost verbatim language.
00:24:11.640I can if you just look up William Colby's letter on the National Endowment for Democracy, this is what was created.
00:24:17.680And the National Endowment for Democracy was given two initial branches.
00:24:21.280One of them was called the IRI, the International Republican Institute that was for Republican CIA oversight officials and Republican CIA stakeholders.
00:24:32.240And the other one was called the NDI, the National Democratic Institute, which was for Democrat CIA folks and Democrat CIA oversight folks and Democrat CIA stakeholders.
00:24:41.980Who founded the IRI, the International Republican Institute, the RNC branch of the CIA, John McCain and John McCain served as the head of the IRI, the head of the CIA branch of the GOP for 25 years until his run for for president against Barack Obama.
00:25:02.480John McCain was in charge of the CIA side of the GOP.
00:25:05.720You know, who's on the board of the IRI, Mitt Romney, the guy who would then represent the Republicans in the 2012 presidential contest.
00:25:26.120We're coming right back with Mike Benz.
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00:26:35.540Well, he was on the chairman's advisory committee of the NDI.
00:26:38.280And as I mentioned, NDI was set up by the CIA director in 1983, William Colby, who wrote the letter to the head of the Justice Department about the need to establish the National Endowment for Democracy, which NDI is the DNC branch of.
00:26:53.840And then President Ronald Reagan passed that passed that passed that bill, establishing the National Endowment for Democracy, which gets virtually all of its funding from the U.S. taxpayers.
00:27:06.520It is technically an independent, non-governmental organization, but its money all comes from U.S. taxpayers and it has to report to Congress, unlike almost all NGOs.
00:27:17.500It is it is sort of like U.S. aid, but dirtier and U.S. aid is allowed to is formally a public agency.
00:27:26.960Oftentimes, the way things are structured is the State Department has it has a foreign policy goal said to be in U.S. national interest.
00:27:34.780It will then get U.S. aid to provide the it will task essentially the CIA on providing covert or plausibly deniable support for that U.S. foreign policy goal.
00:27:46.340And the State Department on the overt side and the CIA on the covert side will then work with U.S. aid and the National Endowment for Democracy in order to do the logistics, in order to get the media on board the operation, in order to get the unions on board the operation, in order to get the politicians in the region on board the operation, in order to get the banks and the private sector co-partners.
00:28:08.360And so, Hunter Biden, you don't get on the chairman's advisory board of the CIA's most prolific cutout of the tens of thousands of CIA cutouts around the world.
00:28:20.980The National Endowment for Democracy is, bar none, the big daddy of them all.
00:28:26.220You don't get to be on the chairman's advisory board of the NDI unless you are vetted by intelligence.
00:28:32.260Now, of course, Hunter Biden's whole world was running through intelligence at that point.
00:28:38.420He has one of his clients was the head of Chinese intelligence as he was selling selling them LNG ports, American LNG ports in Louisiana.
00:28:47.060And as his whole operation in Ukraine was running through several other State Department or CIA intermediated activities, the whole metabiota situation where what you're dealing with here are essentially, you know, essentially it's a biosecurity matter that's going to have military and intelligence vetting.
00:29:09.280And then, of course, you have Burisma.
00:29:11.560And I think as we've covered before, the State Department had an in-process operation called energy diversification or energy security or energy diplomacy.
00:29:20.720It goes by different names, which is a project to pry Russian gas off of Russia and replace it with a combination of Houston LNG and endogenous gas supply mined from shale in the Donbass and in the in the Black Sea Crimea region.
00:29:39.680It was Burisma who held the mining rights to those.
00:29:44.320And that is why, by the way, John Solomon did a great – this is one thing here.
00:29:48.400John Solomon broke an incredible story about a week ago, which was a 53-page memo that Hunter Biden's law firm pitched for – in order to get out of the state prosecution by Victor Shokin, the same prosecutor who Joe Biden bragged to the Council on Foreign Relations, that he bribed for a billion dollars to get the Ukrainian state to remove.
00:30:10.640As that – before Joe Biden stepped in, Hunter Biden's law firm wrote a memo where they strategized in the memo that they would submit a pitch to the State Department that Burisma's continued operations and their business license and their protection against the Ukrainian prosecutor was vital to U.S. national interests.
00:30:34.880That is a watchword vital to U.S. national interests means it's a State Department operation now, and that means it's a CIA operations now because, again, the CIA is just the support arm for the State Department.
00:30:47.920In a lot of ways, the CIA is not actually a rogue agency.
00:30:51.120It is rogue, but it's the rogue arm of a rogue brain inside state.
00:30:56.600So if State Department agreed with that pitch, and this is something the House Foreign Affairs Committee can get on top of right now if they want to hold a hearing and investigation into just get all State Department and CIA documents using that keyword Burisma, and you can break this whole thing out in the open right now if there's the political will to do it.
00:31:17.240If the State Department accepted that pitch from Hunter Biden's law firm that Burisma was indeed vital to U.S. national interests because of its role in propping up Ukraine's gas market and prying Russia out, then that would have given a green light to the Central Intelligence Agency to rig the internal politics of Ukraine to make that happen.
00:31:37.180And while Hunter Biden, while Hunter Biden, from the CIA cutout, National Endowment for Democracy was on Burisma's board, and while right next to him on the board of Burisma was Kofor Black, who spent 30 years in the Directorate of Operations of the CIA and even won a CIA medal for doing it.
00:31:54.040And close to, without any question, Senator Mitt Romney.
00:31:59.700And we can spin back into the Clintons.
00:32:02.580We can go back through the travails in Arkansas.
00:32:22.320For most of America, I would guess, there's not even been a conspiracy theory around much of this.
00:32:29.100We know, by the way, that there were conspiracy theories about the Clintons in Arkansas.
00:32:34.700And, you know, like so many conspiracy theories today, all of them have proved true.
00:32:41.800Well, if you don't want conspiracy theories, how about we get rid of conspiracy agencies?
00:32:46.300How about we get rid of the plausible deniability doctrine?
00:32:49.140Then you don't need to worry about this anymore.
00:32:50.900And let me just say one last thing, which is that I applaud Jim Jordan for finally taking this issue up.
00:32:57.080The last thing that we were talking about just now with Hunter Biden and his role on the CIA cutout and NED, it's important to keep in mind that the CIA publicly, we know this publicly from Jim Jordan's weaponization subcommittee,
00:33:12.320that the CIA waived the Justice Department off of interviewing the man who paid Hunter Biden's taxes.
00:33:20.300That is the guy, you know, he was five years or whatever delinquent on his taxes.
00:33:29.260I don't know if any of your friends have ever paid your taxes before, but this would be classic money laundering protection if this was the case.
00:33:36.140But Jim Jordan has finally sent a letter to to the CIA demanding a briefing on why they waived the Justice Department off of Hunter, Hunter Biden's sugar daddy.
00:33:46.320And I hope he's listening to this broadcast or that it can be forwarded to him because all he needs to do is walk right next door to the House Foreign Affairs Committee or the House Intelligence Committee and get all CIA records on Burisma and NAFTA gas, the big gas giants there.
00:34:01.420And all CIA analyst memos that make reference to Burisma or NAFTA gas or the natural gas market there.
00:34:08.400And that will give you the answer as to why Hunter Biden has been protected for so long.
00:34:12.520Mike Vance, a fascinating, fascinating tale.
00:34:17.520We appreciate you being our guide through it all and what a thick thicket it is to get through.
00:34:25.100I guess the headline might be that Donald Trump has so much trouble now because unlike all the other candidates who've been chosen by the CIA, President Trump was not.