The Great America Show - BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:05.940 I'm Lou Dobbs.

00:00:06.880 Great to have you with us today.

00:00:08.600 In the midst of the political battle for the soul of America between the corrupt Biden

00:00:13.980 regime and their allies, the deep state, against the Republican-led House, there is as well

00:00:20.620 a war in Ukraine that the Biden regime is intent on supporting, so far without putting

00:00:26.460 any of our troops in harm's way.

00:00:28.420 But this desperate White House is capable of taking the country in that direction without

00:00:34.360 even a moment's hesitation or notice.

00:00:37.940 Secretary of State Tony Blinken today announcing he's sending another billion dollars of taxpayer

00:00:43.120 money to Zelensky.

00:00:45.300 We have no idea why we're spending American money and only American money in Ukraine.

00:00:50.920 Why do we have over 100,000 American troops in Eastern Europe?

00:00:55.000 Where are the Europeans? 0.99

00:00:56.340 The president is not only impaired, but compromised.

00:01:00.840 He and his son have received millions of dollars from the Chinese communists.

00:01:04.960 Are they aligned with communist China?

00:01:07.400 It's a serious question because they've permitted Chinese expansion throughout this hemisphere, 1.00

00:01:13.240 indeed around the globe.

00:01:15.140 They've depleted our strategic petroleum reserves but sold oil to China.

00:01:19.120 They haven't challenged China or drawn a single red line on any issue with communist China.

00:01:26.300 And in the Ukraine war, just where are those NATO troops?

00:01:30.220 Where are the billions from Europeans? 0.93

00:01:32.900 Our national security is at greater risk than at any time since the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:01:39.020 And now we're taking up the American future with our panel of geopolitical experts,

00:01:44.840 Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer.

00:01:46.580 And let's begin with you, Tony.

00:01:48.800 What can we do about all of the threats that are facing this nation right now in the context of the geopolitics

00:01:56.440 and also the absolutely impaired, compromised president who has a 39% approval rating,

00:02:05.520 thinking about even possibly going to war with such a person in the Oval Office?

00:02:12.780 The greatest strength we have is the competent leadership that still remains in the military.

00:02:21.160 That is the one thing, the one variable that our enemies don't really understand.

00:02:28.980 They've seen this movie before.

00:02:30.900 They misinterpreted and saw weakness and invaded in North Korea.

00:02:36.720 I think there were a number of dictators running up to World War II that felt that the United States would be weak.

00:02:42.600 And we always came back.

00:02:43.860 The question right now becomes, does that inherent embedded competence, which is displayed on a regular basis?

00:02:53.800 We have the Army War College, Navy War College.

00:02:56.620 No doubt it's being degraded by the DEI, this diversity, equity and inclusion narrative and effort.

00:03:04.240 But the military is not dead yet.

00:03:06.200 And that's what the enemy don't know.

00:03:08.120 They just don't know how far gone we are.

00:03:10.380 We are going in the wrong direction.

00:03:13.100 And then you combine that with the obvious failed leadership of Joe Biden.

00:03:18.620 And think about this for a second.

00:03:19.900 You know, we talked about the Ukraine war a little bit every show.

00:03:23.300 One of the reasons Ukraine is not going well to the United States is because Joe Biden's in charge.

00:03:27.400 I think Biden, I think Obama himself actually said that anything that Biden touches turns to, you know, contents of his depends undergarment.

00:03:37.820 So I think that it's very clear that those the unknown is what is left of our military regarding competence.

00:03:48.120 What could come back rapidly?

00:03:50.060 Otherwise, I think the Chinese are convinced that Biden's weakness and frailty would result in a tepid or no response, no significant response in Taiwan.

00:03:59.280 It's a very dangerous perception.

00:04:02.340 And there's also the issue of Russia and what Russia is willing to do and not do when at the end of this month, you're going to see the rainy season show up in Ukraine.

00:04:12.760 You're going to see it's going to be just like Burning Man with tanks instead of hot chicks.

00:04:16.340 Just saying.

00:04:16.920 And it's going to be the Russians are going to have an option to go back on the offensive, which is going to be a total defeat of the Biden foreign policy objectives for Ukraine.

00:04:28.900 So it's bad all around.

00:04:30.160 But I don't think the enemy quite understands how much we have left that could actually hurt them.

00:04:34.740 Yeah, I have to say you've gotten my attention and frankly, concern me even more.

00:04:41.740 Gordon, be gentle, you know, this the country right now has Joe Biden in the White House and Xi Jinping as his foremost enemy and a raft of others.

00:04:53.360 Just, you know, you can tell they're salivating at an opportunity to harm the United States and harm us, if not mortally, significantly.

00:05:03.180 Yes.

00:05:03.880 You know, Joe Biden has this desperate desire to talk to China.

00:05:08.460 And because of that, he has sent four senior cabinet officials to Beijing in a row, started with Anthony Blinken, the secretary of state in June.

00:05:18.920 And it's ended with Gina Raimondo just about a week ago.

00:05:23.120 And the way that Xi Jinping interprets this is that Joe Biden believes that America is subordinate to China.

00:05:30.260 And the reason why the Chinese leader thinks that is during the millennial era, the era of Chinese emperors, you had vassals send their representatives to the Grand Celestial Court.

00:05:46.220 And that means that Xi Jinping is seeing echoes of that era.

00:05:50.680 And that's why I think Xi Jinping interprets Joe Biden as being weak.

00:05:54.520 Well, we've given plenty of reason for any leader in this in this world to think he's weak because he is weak.

00:06:04.040 The number I just referred to, 39 percent approval rating, the lowest since Jimmy Carter.

00:06:09.620 This man is right now on his way to setting a new record for modern presidents, at least in terms of a lack of popularity and approval.

00:06:20.400 69 percent of America just disproves of everything that this guy is doing, Tony.

00:06:29.700 And we're talking about these the challenges, the threats, whether it's China.

00:06:36.400 China is weakening as well.

00:06:39.100 Eight percent declines in their exports persist.

00:06:43.160 They are a country right now.

00:06:44.900 Their economy and the national left wing media is not covering this as they should.

00:06:50.600 But China is in real, real economic trouble.

00:06:54.700 And that that, to me, creates an even greater danger emanating from Beijing.

00:07:01.840 I agree, Lou, and that their consumer price index is actually declined to the point of where I think it's too obvious to ignore that they are truly at the at the retail level,

00:07:13.160 at the level of citizens living their daily lives.

00:07:16.760 It's impacting the entire regime there.

00:07:19.340 And that, to me, reflects on what happened with Argentina and the Falkland Islands.

00:07:25.940 The Falkland Islands became a target of the Argentine government as a distraction from their internal failed economic policy.

00:07:33.440 So I think in many ways there's a potential for that here, too.

00:07:36.740 The other thing, Lou, I might mention, not to steal Gordon's thunder, is something that Gordon has mentioned before, I think, here on the show.

00:07:43.380 The other thing that I think the Chinese PRC, CCP are looking at are the elections in Taiwan in January.

00:07:49.960 So if you combine three factors, and I'd like to hear Gordon's, you know, chew me out if he thinks I'm wrong.

00:07:56.960 But I think there are three factors that will be overlapping very rapidly within the next six months in January, which is, first off, the Taiwanese presidential elections.

00:08:05.480 I think they're going to see that as a time of potential chaos that they could take advantage of.

00:08:10.180 That is the PRC, CCP, PRC.

00:08:13.240 Secondly, the Biden continued failures across the board.

00:08:16.100 By January, we're going to come to find, and I'm saying this with all due respect to those who have tried to win the war.

00:08:22.720 The Ukrainian offensive will have failed, and the Russians will be back in the driver's seat deciding on what's going to happen. 0.92

00:08:29.980 Again, the weakness shown by the Biden administration is going to reflect in other people interpreting what they may or may not do against the United States.

00:08:37.400 And third is, as we just mentioned, the economic, internal economic issues, which may be even worse in China.

00:08:45.060 And Xi may be looking for a large distraction, a better distraction than trying to demand that they unify Taiwan back with the home country and make it one China as part of their policy.

00:08:58.740 So I think the maximum danger regarding a war between China, Taiwan, and China and us may well be towards January of next year.

00:09:08.380 If they wait so long, and that raises the question, Gordon, there were so much bellicose bluster emanating from the PRC for so many months over the course of this past year.

00:09:25.500 And now, in the last couple of months, there's been just nothing short of silence from the PLA, from the CCP, in terms of threatening.

00:09:37.180 Suddenly, it looks like they're turning a little inward and reflecting on just how much they want to bluster, given the economic problems they're now facing.

00:09:46.600 Yes, you know, you have a very interesting situation, because, you know, as you point out, Lou, internally, the economy looks like it's either growing at only 1% or 2%, not the 5.5% that they claim for the first half of the year.

00:10:02.060 But it looks like it even can be contracting, because those trade numbers that you referred to, you know, show that for four straight months, exports have declined.

00:10:11.400 But even more important, for 11 straight months, imports have declined, showing really a failure of domestic demand.

00:10:19.220 You know, and Tony talked about the internal situation in Taiwan with the presidential election next January.

00:10:25.000 There's a lot of moving parts right now.

00:10:28.560 And one other thing, and that is, we're seeing symptoms of turbulence inside the Communist Party itself.

00:10:36.000 There have been these extraordinary purges.

00:10:39.140 There have been these reports of elders in the Communist Party rebuking Xi Jinping.

00:10:45.600 We don't know what to make out of all this, but we can see that a lot is happening very quickly.

00:10:50.740 And when that occurs, we know that the regime is in trouble.

00:10:54.300 And as you point out, their best option could very well be to lash out to create some sort of foreign incident. 0.52

00:11:01.320 We're talking with Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer.

00:11:03.280 We're coming right back.

00:11:04.400 Please stay with us.

00:11:11.120 We're back now talking with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang.

00:11:14.800 Tony, Gordon is raising the issue.

00:11:17.780 How soon would there be war if there is to be war?

00:11:20.920 It was clear as a bell just a couple of months ago that China wanted it, that Xi Jinping was going to have his war and on his terms.

00:11:32.280 And suddenly the Biden administration, and I won't say this often, but I have to give them credit for starting to back up U.S.

00:11:41.380 His interest in Taiwan and suggesting that we will indeed back Taiwan should China attack Taiwan.

00:11:50.360 Yeah, I think that's the right policy.

00:11:52.820 And to quote my old friend Don Rumsfeld, there's unknown unknowns and known unknowns.

00:11:58.760 And the known unknown that you asked me the question about is, what will China do?

00:12:03.040 And it's no, no, no, I think we just don't know.

00:12:05.640 Gordon pointed out there's a number of factors which I think are going to be impacting directly on the Chinese leadership on how Xi and the other members of their politburo function and put together a plan going forward.

00:12:20.500 And frankly, I think there's going to have to be even more economic damage internally before they act.

00:12:24.820 But I think they will act.

00:12:26.020 And that leads me to the next issue relating to the question.

00:12:30.500 I think Congress authorizing $80 billion.

00:12:35.640 And this is what I find significant and heartening, Lou, is that the Taiwanese are paying us. 1.00

00:12:42.840 They're paying $80 billion.

00:12:44.720 The authorization is for selling weapons to them, which is great.

00:12:47.840 We're not giving it to them.

00:12:49.660 One is buying it from us, which is an investment.

00:12:52.420 And I think something that's long overdue.

00:12:54.920 And, yeah, I think the Chinese have even commented recently within the last few days about this very issue, about the fact that Congress authorized this, Biden authorized this, and that the Taiwanese are going to be able to obtain significantly upgraded and effective technology, weapon systems, which will help defend them.

00:13:15.080 And I don't believe the CCP, the PRC, the People's Liberation Army, is anywhere near adequate in coming against the United States on a one-to-one force-on-force war.

00:13:30.060 So I think it's good that the Taiwanese are going to be getting weapons systems that the U.S. Army currently employs and other airframes, which the U.S. Air Force currently employs, as part of their defensive posture.

00:13:43.120 I think it's a great thing.

00:13:44.720 And, again, it's more about us helping them defend themselves rather than us jumping in.

00:13:48.860 And I think that's the right answer at this point.

00:13:51.420 And, Gordon, we're looking at a situation in which China is expanding rapidly its influence around the globe, whether it's now having a partnership with the Vatican in selecting bishops, for crying out loud,

00:14:04.980 whether it is either end of the Panama Canal, whether it is rare earth mining in Africa, they're everywhere.

00:14:15.640 They're on the march around the world.

00:14:18.460 And the United States seems inert and, even worse, losing influence, both economic and political.

00:14:26.320 Your thoughts?

00:14:26.800 Yes, you know, this period reminds me of the 1970s, where you had Nixon and Kissinger saying, well, you know, we have to have this policy of detente because the Soviet Union is more powerful than we are.

00:14:39.280 And there really was a loss of American influence because Americans themselves acted as if they did not have the power.

00:14:47.700 The United States is an extremely powerful country.

00:14:51.260 But, unfortunately, as you point out, you know, we've got a leader who is not exerting American power.

00:14:57.380 And because of that, we're losing influence around the world.

00:15:01.240 I mean, when we look at all sorts of these areas, Eastern Europe, North Africa, our own hemisphere, the United States, as you say, is inert.

00:15:10.640 And because of that, the Chinese are on the march. 1.00

00:15:14.260 You know, China should be in retreat because of what's happening internally.

00:15:17.180 But, no, they're becoming much more aggressive and, in many ways, much more effective.

00:15:22.600 And that is not a helpful development at all when it comes to U.S. policy in Asia.

00:15:30.020 We are, right now, moving more forces to the region.

00:15:36.840 And by that, I'm talking about the Indo-Pacific as well as Asia itself, trying to build a relationship with India, which seems to be in some sort of detente with China right now.

00:15:50.040 Whether it is a pause of convenience or whether it does signal something in the way of closer relationships, let's find out.

00:15:58.620 Your thoughts, Tony, on what the United States should be doing, because right now we're building fewer aircraft, delivering fewer fighter jets.

00:16:08.920 We're watching a defense department that seems to be, despite all of the money that's being appropriated, to be spending it lavishly but not intelligently.

00:16:20.600 Right.

00:16:21.660 Well, let's start with the latter first.

00:16:24.160 You and I have spoken about this.

00:16:25.700 I'm for an effective defense, not an expensive defense.

00:16:29.520 We all recognize from throwing money at the education system hasn't worked.

00:16:32.940 So I think we need to take a hard pause internally and look at what we're spending money on.

00:16:37.980 We could talk about a whole show on that.

00:16:40.000 Let's go back to China and India. 0.99

00:16:42.280 So I believe it's a brief pause, Lou, in their animus against each other for two reasons.

00:16:48.800 First, they are the two nations with the largest population in the world.

00:16:53.700 So there's huge resource demands to maintain those populations that that the need of both nations for protein, for water, for resources is going to inevitably, in my judgment, lead to a hot war.

00:17:10.460 Eventually, they've already had border conflicts.

00:17:13.140 Well, some of those border conflicts will go back to water.

00:17:16.720 The Himalayas is essentially the water faucet for a lot of resources, water coming down out of the mountains, going to these countries.

00:17:25.460 So inevitably, there's going to be fights for natural resources.

00:17:29.780 You're just not going to be able to continue to have these large populations growing without some source to feed them and give them water.

00:17:39.740 The Chinese have spent as much on finding and maintaining sources of potable water as they do on their national security, on their defense department.

00:17:48.120 That's how important this issue is.

00:17:50.120 I think it's ignored by us at our own peril.

00:17:53.140 Secondly, culture.

00:17:54.960 I think, in the end, the Indian democracy actually is looking to move towards a more engaged, more interlocking relationship with the West regarding trade.

00:18:08.880 That, again, bumps up against China.

00:18:11.680 And I think the Indians being a democracy would be a much better trading partner than the Chinese who are communists. 0.96

00:18:19.600 And the Communist Party has worked to undermine our political and economic system for decades.

00:18:26.780 So, you know, it's a pretty clear choice.

00:18:29.160 Do we choose someone who actually wants to be a trading partner, who's someone who wants to destroy our fundamental diplomatic, our fundamental system of governance for purposes of, to Gordon's point, dominating us and making us subordinate?

00:18:42.040 I think the choice is pretty easy.

00:18:43.460 You know, I think it is as well.

00:18:46.760 But, you know, like so many of what seem to us to be easy choices over the course of time has not been easy for our globalist elite foreign policy or foreign service diplomatic core.

00:19:02.580 Henry Kissinger, you raised him earlier.

00:19:05.320 Henry Kissinger, I once asked at dinner, if he ever once thought about victory in Vietnam.

00:19:11.360 And you know what his answer was?

00:19:13.900 No.

00:19:14.240 It was no.

00:19:15.720 I asked him once why he didn't want to develop a relationship with India as a countervailing force, which is always important in economics.

00:19:27.060 And John Kenneth Galbraith, it was one of his favorite metrics, if you will.

00:19:32.260 He just dismissed India at the time that he was also absolutely driving with every force of his being a greater, brighter future for communist China.

00:19:46.360 It made no sense because whatever else India was, despite its relationship with Russia, which did create some complications, they basically are a, you know, they had to build on British colonialism, which was both devastating to them, but also laid a foundation for a future that they are now grasping.

00:20:06.920 We're coming right back with Tony and Gordon.

00:20:09.960 Stay with us here on The Great America Show.

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00:20:16.360 We're back now with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang.

00:20:21.220 And Gordon, I want to ask you this.

00:20:23.880 That influence that we were talking about of China in all sorts of ways around the globe, to hear the Pope actually say that they are going to have a joint commission on the appointment of bishops was staggering.

00:20:41.340 Particularly the Pope being so critical of U.S. Catholic conservatives.

00:20:46.200 This is, again, an ideological alignment between the Vatican and a Marxist communist nation.

00:20:54.600 Yes, and the thing about the Pope is that he had that 2000 agreement with Beijing about the Catholic Church in China.

00:21:03.020 The Chinese immediately violated that agreement, and they violated it over appointment of bishops.

00:21:09.120 And then the Vatican then renews the agreement with China, and that has caused a lot of consternation among American Catholics, as well as Catholics around the world,

00:21:20.420 because they realized that there is really no basis of accommodation between the church, believing in God, and a communist party that is determinately atheistic, and one which is attacking not only Catholicism, not only Christianity, but all religion.

00:21:39.020 So, this is a fundamental mistake on the part of the Pope, where he tries to come to an accommodation with communist China. 0.64

00:21:47.200 It's not working.

00:21:48.740 And so, all we can say is that maybe the Pope is not who we think he is.

00:21:55.100 Well, I'm starting to think that most officials are not what we think they are around the globe.

00:22:00.140 And the name Tony Blinken comes immediately to mind, pledging a billion dollars more for Ukraine, including 300, and I love this, including 300 million for law enforcement.

00:22:11.740 I mean, this is, it's like an operetta.

00:22:16.980 The uniforms mean nothing, they just, do they sing?

00:22:20.900 In the case of Blinken, does he simply deliver?

00:22:24.220 Who gave him the authority to pledge anything to anyone at any time?

00:22:30.700 Where is the Congress, and why is this, why is this administration ruling by fiat without opposition from even the Republican Party, let alone any faction that happened to be moderate, which obviously most, there would be a very small number of Democrats.

00:22:46.280 But nonetheless, your thoughts, Tony?

00:22:48.240 So, yeah, I'm flabbergasted that we don't have more conservatives pushing back on this.

00:22:56.000 I mean, there's a handful, and they're vocal, but obviously not in leadership to stop this.

00:23:02.360 Let's break this down for a minute.

00:23:04.540 300 million for law enforcement.

00:23:07.860 Gee, I think that probably means defending their borders and their own internal security, which Joe Biden won't do that here.

00:23:13.360 And talk about a slap in the face, a twofer slap in the face. 1.00

00:23:18.780 Think about this, Lou.

00:23:20.440 Zelensky just fired the defense minister and a handful of other officers for corruption.

00:23:25.420 And then the next thing you're going to do is give them another billion dollars to a corrupt nation?

00:23:28.780 Are you kidding me?

00:23:30.000 And at the same time they're doing this, Biden won't visit Palestine, Ohio. 1.00

00:23:34.180 Well, the devastation there makes this completely idiotic photo op down in Florida. 0.88

00:23:42.100 And then to this day, despite the fact that everybody's called this out on both sides of the aisle, they're only giving $700 per family in Maui for those who lost everything. 0.98

00:23:54.060 And when you contrast that with literally buckets of money going to Ukraine, I don't know how anybody who is an American, I don't care what party you are, how people can allow this massive spending to a corrupt nation who is going to ultimately lose the war because of their incompetence and our leadership's incompetence.

00:24:18.980 And ignoring the plight of citizens in Maui to the devastation they're living.

00:24:25.020 I don't know how anybody accepts that.

00:24:26.800 And a lot of us speak out, Lou, but the very people in charge aren't willing to hold Biden accountable to these great failures of policy.

00:24:34.180 Well, I think that there's a great demonstration, a metaphor created by Mitch McConnell, who finds himself paralyzed for at least 30 seconds in the middle of remarks to the press on two occasions,

00:24:48.040 at least that we know of.

00:24:50.480 And after being examined by a doctor who came up with what I think is a line of malarkey, but nonetheless, he comes out in his first statement of all the statements he could make in all the world.

00:25:03.900 Mitch McConnell decides that we need to get money.

00:25:06.680 Joe Biden needs to get more money to the Ukrainians faster.

00:25:11.100 This is the kind of mindlessness.

00:25:14.540 There's no other word for it.

00:25:15.660 It's just mindlessness on the part of the Republican leadership on Capitol Hill.

00:25:20.520 Whether it's Kevin McCarthy, whether it's Mitch McConnell, John Thune, John Barrasso, you know, and that cast of sophomorics that they call leadership in the U.S. Senate.

00:25:33.100 Lou, I understand the Ukraine war is not being prosecuted well.

00:25:37.560 And Joe Biden's failure of leadership is evident.

00:25:40.120 There is a bigger story here, though, and that is that China sees this not as a battle between Russians and Ukrainians, but they see it as a proxy war for the future.

00:25:51.980 And that is between China and the United States.

00:25:54.880 So we've got to find some way to win this thing.

00:25:58.360 It's going to be hard.

00:25:59.740 But if we don't, I believe that Xi Jinping will think that he can then move against Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines, maybe India, and we're going to see a wider war.

00:26:09.360 The reason why this is so important is because there is a war, of course, in Eastern Europe that everybody knows about.

00:26:16.860 But there's also a war in North Africa that China and Russia are prosecuting.

00:26:21.940 They are fueling insurgencies that are looking like wars.

00:26:25.860 They are toppling governments one right after the other.

00:26:28.740 It seems like one every two weeks.

00:26:30.440 And if we have war not only in Eastern Europe, but also in North Africa, and we have a war in East Asia, then that's World War III.

00:26:40.480 And so we're going to be living in a world which – and we're going to have to be fighting it because if there's a war in East Asia, China is going to almost certainly attack the United States on the first day. 0.62

00:26:51.200 It's not going to be a decision, oh, do we defend Taiwan?

00:26:53.980 It's going to be, what do we do about the Chinese attacks on American forces in Okinawa and on Guam, sovereign American territory?

00:27:02.100 And by the way, the Chinese are actually thinking of going after Hawaii.

00:27:06.060 So this is getting far more serious than most Americans realize.

00:27:10.280 Well, I would say that the Americans would realize in a very quick hurry that if they took Hawaii, that we would be at war.

00:27:16.980 But, Gordon, I have to say, this is a little neocon of you, if I may say. 0.96

00:27:22.040 The idea of fighting a war to prevent a war, I mean, peace through strength, and if we have to kill these son of a guns, we'll have to do that for peace.

00:27:34.940 I mean, I don't – you and I very seldom disagree, but on this, I not only disagree, but I do so vehemently.

00:27:42.480 I am sick and tired of us sending off American soldiers to lands that have no interest to the United States, that we would prosecute a war to prevent a war with China?

00:27:59.800 No way in the world.

00:28:01.180 Let's fight a war with China, if we must, but for our own interests, our own survival, and not for some distant, remote nonsense that puts U.S. soldiers – by the way, we have them – in 160 countries around the world. 0.66

00:28:18.080 It's madness what we're doing.

00:28:19.580 This is a time for a modest foreign policy, not – not a just reflexive, reactionary fight to police the world.

00:28:33.040 Well, Lou, this is not a normal time.

00:28:36.080 We have had –

00:28:36.860 They never are.

00:28:38.340 They never are.

00:28:39.220 Yeah, but what we have right now, Lou, is the result of a complete failure of American policy over the course of two decades, probably three decades.

00:28:50.160 And now we are presented only with the world's worst choices.

00:28:54.400 Now, if we had better policies before, we would have peace.

00:28:58.780 This is – basically, if we had Reagan, peace through strength, we'd never be in this position.

00:29:04.500 But the catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan convinced Putin that he could move against Ukraine.

00:29:10.780 Putin also has designs on Poland and the Baltics.

00:29:14.020 We have seen him pressure them even during the Ukraine war.

00:29:17.420 So it's not going to end there.

00:29:19.240 And as much as we would like to be able to determine where we're going to fight, that's already gone.

00:29:26.260 Through bad American policy, we do not have choices.

00:29:30.040 We are now being backed into a corner.

00:29:32.060 So think of this as like 1949, maybe even – sorry, 1941.

00:29:38.860 This is where we are.

00:29:40.760 This is the situation that we have put ourselves.

00:29:44.180 Well, we is a very narrow – is a big word for very few people.

00:29:49.320 The Marxist party in this country had the audacity, the ignorance to put two impaired politicians into the top two positions of power in the United States. 0.55

00:30:06.900 Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, no one in this country could convince me that either one of them have an average IQ or are even remotely competent.

00:30:16.240 Yet that's what the Democrat party did because they have a cabal of Marxist leftists that they want to run the country.

00:30:24.860 And this is what we get.

00:30:25.980 And we allowed an election to be stolen, the lies to prevail over truth for four years now.

00:30:34.160 And it has to end here.

00:30:36.380 We do have a decision.

00:30:38.140 We do have a choice.

00:30:39.420 And our choice should be to bring all of the energy of this country together to focus on our national interest and to restore our borders,

00:30:49.600 to assure the freedom of the American people, not diminish it as this administration and the Obama administration have.

00:30:56.280 The freedom of speech is under – is hanging on as a constitutional right by a thread right now.

00:31:04.160 Our courts are corrupt.

00:31:05.700 Our Department of Justice and our FBI and our federal government is under the control of the Marxist Dems.

00:31:11.440 The American people do not control our own government.

00:31:14.680 The consent of the governed is a sad joke.

00:31:17.840 They don't require our consent, only our obedience.

00:31:21.140 And, oh, God help us if we dissent.

00:31:23.480 But so anytime I hear somebody say they want to send our young men and women overseas to fight a war, to stop a war,

00:31:32.860 Gordon, I'm going to yell from the rooftops, no more. 0.99

00:31:38.140 Fight for this country, damn it, but for not another damn thing. 0.99

00:31:42.800 Period. 1.00

00:31:43.620 We had four years of peace under Trump.

00:31:46.360 And that showed you where you have a good policy, you have the ability to control outcomes, you have peace.

00:31:55.140 Unfortunately, we don't have that because I agree with everything you said about Biden and Harris as well as about Obama.

00:32:01.700 They have created this situation.

00:32:03.960 We don't like it, but unfortunately, it's not a question of anything more of what we like or don't like.

00:32:10.000 This is where we are.

00:32:11.320 This is 1941.

00:32:13.660 This is 9-11.

00:32:15.260 You know, you have bad policy for long enough.

00:32:18.100 You are put into the point of being able not to determine your future anymore.

00:32:24.380 So if I could just look, Gordon, we're not going to win Ukraine.

00:32:30.120 It's not in the numbers unless there is a direct deployment of an outside force that is significantly equivalent to the Russians.

00:32:39.600 Ukraine is going to lose.

00:32:41.400 It is just a numbers game.

00:32:43.600 I am not on either side.

00:32:44.820 I always say this in my interviews. 0.87

00:32:46.560 Heck, London Center right now is constantly being attacked because I call out Putin being a thug. 0.87

00:32:50.940 I just had a troll I was dealing with on Twitter. 0.81

00:32:53.660 So I am not taking sides.

00:32:55.380 I'm simply looking at this as an equation of numbers based on the strategic failure of this administration.

00:33:02.100 So and I understand what you're saying, Gordon, because of the perception of the loss.

00:33:08.360 I get it because I'm a Reagan guy and I understand perception management.

00:33:12.420 You know, Bud McFarlane and others are my friends and mentors.

00:33:14.800 But there's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the war based on the fact you have, as you point out, a completely incompetent, feckless leader in the form of Joe Biden and all of his minions.

00:33:27.540 And Victoria Nuland, Jake Sullivan were the bad, the wrong guys.

00:33:32.560 If you wanted to win, they should not have been in charge.

00:33:34.720 You needed a Norman Schwarzkopf.

00:33:36.180 They didn't pick a Schwarzkopf.

00:33:37.240 They picked someone who's feckless and weak, someone who would be essentially brought up on soy and has no ability to lead, Jake Sullivan.

00:33:46.820 So it's so if we're not going to win, then we have to figure out what we're going to do.

00:33:51.420 And that's where I think we have to recognize that China may well have the impression that we are vulnerable and will lose.

00:33:58.660 I don't think we will.

00:33:59.660 I think there's enough of a of a solid iron core to the military that is still there beneath the soft chiffon plastic that the Biden administration has tried to put on top of it.

00:34:12.060 But that's what we need to do is remind them that if you do act against Taiwan, if you do act against our interests, there will be consequences that you don't fully understand.

00:34:22.820 And Reagan was great with that of implying threats, making sure that they didn't quite know what we're going to do, but do something.

00:34:28.740 And that may have to be done by individuals who are not in government right now.

00:34:32.840 But I think that's our only option to deter China, because Biden can't do it. 0.60

00:34:37.580 And I just don't think there's no indications we're going to see any victory in Ukraine anytime soon.

00:34:43.280 And with that, we've got time for just one more comment from each of you, because I'm going to say this is an American.

00:34:50.860 And the reason I do this show is because I believe we do have choices as Americans.

00:34:56.100 We do not surrender our volition or our independence ever.

00:35:01.660 And we certainly can't surrender it to the demands of foreign powers who seek who seek us and our power to intervene.

00:35:13.280 We have a fifth of our fighting men right now in the eastern flank of Europe right now.

00:35:20.220 And it's absolutely insane that we are there.

00:35:23.500 Where are our allies?

00:35:25.460 What is rational about anything that is being done?

00:35:29.180 Their rationality went out the door on January 21st of 2017.

00:35:34.820 We have a choice and we better damn well be making them and standing up for it and talking straight.

00:35:40.240 This is not a country that it was designed in any way by our founders to be intervening in foreign conflicts that are not of a national interest, our national interest.

00:35:54.400 And I would fight anyone in this country who thinks that we should be sending our troops forward into conflicts.

00:36:03.460 I happen to agree 100 percent with President Trump.

00:36:06.640 It is time to withdraw our forces from abroad and and and without any question, work on this country's destiny, not that of others.

00:36:19.200 Gordon.

00:36:20.900 Well, China has made it clear that it is the world's only legitimate state and that every other country is nothing more than a vassal. 0.93

00:36:30.940 And they even talk about the moon and Mars as sovereign Chinese territory.

00:36:35.120 So we can think about tactics.

00:36:38.500 But the point is, we face the most consequential moment in history and indeed, perhaps the most dangerous moment in history.

00:36:46.260 And this is going to be our legacy.

00:36:48.740 I can agree with you.

00:36:50.160 Everything you said about President Trump.

00:36:52.200 I agree with everything you say about President Biden.

00:36:55.020 But we do not have a choice at this point because of bad policy.

00:37:00.740 Unfortunately, we've got aggressors on the move, China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and they have made it clear that their goal is to destroy the United States of America.

00:37:11.700 You get the last word, Tony.

00:37:13.040 I think that the significant factors, as Gordon point out, are the Chinese have declared that they are going to be the dominant power in the world, period. 0.99

00:37:22.880 That is their stated policy goal.

00:37:25.340 So, Mark Milley.

00:37:27.720 So what?

00:37:28.420 So what?

00:37:28.860 So what?

00:37:29.780 I mean, who cares what they state is the goal?

00:37:32.500 The state of all the states are his. 0.79

00:37:34.320 I'm sorry.

00:37:34.860 I'm sorry.

00:37:36.560 Very quickly, if you will.

00:37:37.780 I apologize for interjecting.

00:37:39.800 Yeah.

00:37:40.260 No.

00:37:40.480 So, but I'm just saying that Mark Milley has told me to my face, Lou, that that's what they seek to do.

00:37:45.680 So, the fact that the Biden administration has ignored.

00:37:48.720 Did you slap him back?

00:37:50.280 At the time, I was on the transition team, so I figured that would probably have not reflected well on President Trump and the incoming team.

00:37:57.540 Or maybe it would have.

00:37:59.120 And so, but my point being is that we have recognized that there is a sincere enemy, if you can call it sincere.

00:38:08.200 They're very sincere in their desire to dominate the planet.

00:38:11.200 We have to understand that and accept that at face value.

00:38:13.400 And I don't think the Biden administration has come to terms with that, or not as much as they should.

00:38:18.900 I do believe we have military strength, but that strength has been subordinated to the woke politics of DEI and the Biden administration.

00:38:30.440 And it may well invite enemies to challenge us.

00:38:33.980 And I think that's the path we're on right now.

00:38:36.900 Challenges and threats we'll always have.

00:38:38.560 But our own destiny still remains in our hands as the most powerful nation on Earth.

00:38:43.840 And to think that we would squander it because our feckle allies in Europe cannot match either economically or militarily their responsibilities to a nation that rests on their border that is under assault by Russia is madness in and of itself.

00:39:04.100 But there is, as we've discussed today, a lot of madness in this world.

00:39:08.760 I would like to see us restore our nation to sanity as quickly as possible.

00:39:13.080 And we thank you both for joining in that effort.

00:39:17.360 Gordon Chang, Tony Schaefer, thanks so much for being with us here on The Great America Show.

00:39:22.160 Thank you, Lou.

00:39:22.580 Thanks, guys.

00:39:23.720 Thanks, Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang.

00:39:25.780 Thank you, everybody, for being with us here today.

00:39:28.460 Have a great weekend.

00:39:29.600 God bless you.

00:39:30.860 And may God bless and save America.

00:39:34.100 God bless you.

The Great America Show - September 08, 2023

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