The Great America Show - February 18, 2022


CAHALY SAYS MANY DEMS & MOST INDEPENDENTS WILL VOTE GOP IN 2022


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In this episode of The Great American Show, host Lou Dobbs is joined by political strategist Robert Kiyosaki and pollster Robert Cahaly to discuss the current political landscape and the role of RINOs in the Republican Party.

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00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs,
00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
00:00:09.240 And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
00:00:14.140 Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Great America show.
00:00:17.500 We're talking politics on the Great American show today.
00:00:21.200 Thanks for being with us, sharing part of your day with us to store up on some more truth,
00:00:26.020 justice, and the American way.
00:00:27.980 There are more than a few major issues for us to sort through today.
00:00:33.060 The politics of personal destruction being updated almost daily, and it appears the radical
00:00:39.100 Dems will have to come up with some new tactics.
00:00:42.800 Their habit of exploiting race, cancel culture as a favorite pastime, and their politics of 0.88
00:00:49.980 personal destruction.
00:00:51.180 The Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell, is effectively saying it's okay if Republicans
00:00:56.260 coincide with the Marxist left and help them perpetrate the greatest fraud in American 0.71
00:01:01.780 political history, trying to overthrow a president, one president in particular.
00:01:08.680 McConnell criticizing the National Republican Committee for censuring two Republican congressmen,
00:01:15.460 but not once did McConnell ever criticize the Democratic National Committee for its role in the fraudulent effort
00:01:23.800 to overthrow President Donald Trump.
00:01:26.860 Two efforts at impeachment, and a special counsel amounted to nothing.
00:01:32.860 So we're going to be taking that up today.
00:01:36.140 And also, should President Biden take a cognition test?
00:01:40.520 And just what happened?
00:01:42.600 Big blue state governors just reversed the Centers for Disease Control.
00:01:48.700 That's right.
00:01:49.860 The Democrats are not following science.
00:01:52.840 And they declared they've had it with mandates and, in some cases, jabs and masks.
00:01:58.940 To sort through all of this is one of my favorite political thinkers, pollster and strategist
00:02:05.000 extraordinaire, and great American, the Trafalgar Groups, Robert Cahaly.
00:02:09.840 Robert, great to have you with us.
00:02:11.680 Thanks for being here.
00:02:13.020 It is always an honor to be on your show.
00:02:16.120 I want to start, if I may, with just a quick glimpse at where we are right now on Capitol Hill.
00:02:27.940 Suddenly, Mitch McConnell is criticizing the Republican National Committee because the two congressmen
00:02:35.300 were just censured and not thrown out of the party, which I thought would have been a terrific idea.
00:02:42.360 What do you make of what's happening with the Republican Party, particularly on the Capitol Hill leadership?
00:02:48.780 That is, Kevin McCarthy, the House Minority Leader, and McConnell, the Senate Minority Leader.
00:02:57.840 Well, every time one of my Republican friends insists that this election is over and 2022 is going to be a cakewalk
00:03:07.400 and there's going to be this red wave, I remind them that the Republican Party can mess up even a great thing.
00:03:16.740 And this kind of internal strife is exactly the wrong way.
00:03:27.040 Regardless, I mean, let's say you don't like what the RNC did.
00:03:31.360 You can tell the members of the RNC on the phone privately.
00:03:37.420 We've got to quit airing dirty laundry. 1.00
00:03:41.580 When you have people that are acting outside of the norm for the party,
00:03:48.300 and I think most of the members of Congress would agree that what Kenzinger and what Cheney have done
00:03:57.380 in allowing themselves to be used on a committee that was not formed the way committees are supposed to be formed,
00:04:03.820 that's frustrating, and that's what was called out publicly.
00:04:08.400 Now, if you don't like that, then, you know, take it up with the people who called them out.
00:04:12.820 I mean, there's 168 members of the RNC, and I bet you Mitch McConnell can get every one of their phone numbers to ask for them.
00:04:19.060 But there's no sense in doing this in a public fashion.
00:04:22.240 I don't understand what the party thinks they're doing.
00:04:25.640 If it's about the money, they need to find new sources of money.
00:04:28.800 Your thoughts about the role of these RINO leaders in a party that is decidedly, and I think appropriately, Trumpian.
00:04:37.520 It is the party of Trump.
00:04:40.460 Do you disagree?
00:04:41.020 Well, I think, you know, when you talk about the moves that most specifically you're seeing out of Kenzinger and Cheney, 1.00
00:04:55.040 it's like how bad must your self-awareness be that you declare yourself a statesman while your colleagues see you as a useful idiot? 0.99
00:05:04.560 And that's exactly what's happening. 1.00
00:05:07.700 They're being used by the other side to make their points.
00:05:12.220 You know, if you don't like something, I kind of look at a party like I look at a family.
00:05:18.900 A long time ago, I had an older member of my family say, the thing about a family argument is you don't win when you win.
00:05:26.600 You don't win anything when you prove your grandmother wrong.
00:05:33.160 You still lose because the fight is the problem.
00:05:37.480 And they're not recognizing they're contributing to this fight, and they're putting all of us in a very awkward place.
00:05:46.240 And right now, you know, the whole thing, the opponent is, you know, Democrats are melting down.
00:05:52.660 They cannot seem to make anybody happy in the entire country.
00:05:56.220 And now is not the time to water down the message, to move.
00:06:00.960 Look at what's actually working.
00:06:03.260 And, you know, what we're seeing is a growing consensus.
00:06:06.480 I mean, the Republican Party, you know, I always tell people to go, if you want to understand today's Republican Party,
00:06:12.400 if I can look to 1992, it's about 75% of the people who voted for Bush and 95% of the people who voted for Perot.
00:06:21.340 That's the modern Republican Party.
00:06:23.280 You know, this is as much a party of the guy in the country club.
00:06:28.960 Now it's as much a party of the waitress and the construction worker.
00:06:33.340 And that's a good thing.
00:06:35.720 And there are people who resent that.
00:06:38.060 But this is an average person's working person's party.
00:06:41.520 And the issues that are separating Washington elites are those issues.
00:06:48.000 You know, take the environment.
00:06:50.680 Americans want clean air and clean water, but not if it's eight bucks a gallon for gas to get there. 0.82
00:06:55.680 And that's a work in people's perspective.
00:06:58.700 And that's where this party is.
00:07:00.640 And people who don't recognize that or can't come to grips with that, it is what it is.
00:07:07.740 And so I know that people, you know, there's a lot of frustration.
00:07:11.560 You know, everybody wants their little club to stay the same, but it can't and be a winning club.
00:07:17.000 You see Mitch McConnell as the leader, and there's John Thune, and then there's John Barrasso, and used to be Roy Blunt behind them.
00:07:25.060 You know, I mean, that was a club.
00:07:27.240 And it was disgusting to me to see it because it was in such a stark, stark contrast to watching President Trump by himself looking at a gaggle on a rope line on his way to Marine One from the White House, 0.52
00:07:44.420 taking every question, giving every response, and doing it day after day after day.
00:07:50.200 They were just transmitting like a radio, those senators under McConnell.
00:07:55.340 Well, they're just empty suits. 0.93
00:08:00.240 They're rhinos. 0.65
00:08:01.820 And I'm so sick.
00:08:02.920 It's such a contrast.
00:08:04.080 It's exactly.
00:08:04.640 I mean, like, when you look at what gets Republicans excited, you need to switch those people out, and you need to put Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz, because that's what this party is now.
00:08:17.400 Yeah, I think that's right.
00:08:19.300 But I also think it's a party of Jim Jordan.
00:08:22.180 I think Matt Gaetz.
00:08:24.060 I'm talking about the Senate.
00:08:24.820 No, I understand.
00:08:26.320 But I'm just saying, I think that maybe Cruz is trying to fly at the correct altitude, but he's a little highfalutin.
00:08:34.860 I think Josh Hawley and Tom Cotton are a little constrained for people who are being authentic.
00:08:40.200 So I'm not trusting in their image because I don't personally think it's, in their case, the genuine deal.
00:08:52.140 They've got a long way to go to convince me that they're something approaching what they're trying to pretend to be and trying to project.
00:09:00.620 But that's just one guy's opinion.
00:09:01.840 But that's just one, you know, one guy's opinion.
00:09:03.680 It happens to be mine.
00:09:05.580 Let me turn to just this issue of how much should the Republican Party put up with.
00:09:11.480 We've got a chairman of the RNC who is, without a question, a rhino.
00:09:18.340 She may not use her middle name, Romney, but she's Romney through and through.
00:09:22.860 We've got the Romneys in the Senate. 0.94
00:09:27.220 We've got, my goodness, Cheney, Kensinger.
00:09:32.440 There's a long list in the House, including six who just cited, as you well know, Robert, with the Democrats, with Pelosi on an initiative to grant amnesty to the millions of illegal immigrants coming into this country.
00:09:51.720 You couldn't do anything that would set fire to a Republican advantage like that if you schooled on it for six months.
00:10:03.340 Your thoughts?
00:10:05.600 That's exactly what I'm worried about.
00:10:09.720 If you have this element within the party that keeps wanting to calm things down, you know, I mean, I know this is going to kind of sound mean,
00:10:20.020 but I think this is the kind of people who are listening to the Frank Lutzer of the world.
00:10:24.420 You've forgotten that these guys are being paid by corporate masters to dictate a philosophy that does not match the philosophy that is winning elections,
00:10:33.880 and you need to quit listening to that crowd because that crowd is the same crowd that doesn't understand who is voting and why they're voting.
00:10:43.440 People are angry about everything from what's happening in their school to what is happening at the gas station.
00:10:53.160 I mean, when you look at it, the one thing we get from voters that we picked up on, it's this, whether it's making, I mean, this is people speaking,
00:11:02.260 whether it's making me wear a mask, whether it's paying people not to work, whether it's blowing up the deficit,
00:11:10.520 whether it's creating inflation by sending all this money, the government involvement in my life is what is the problem.
00:11:20.000 So there's a consensus that the government getting too involved in people's lives in every aspect is ruining their happiness,
00:11:28.120 is ruining their finances, you know, is, you know, is, you know, is wasting their time, you know, waiting on stuff, like all of this.
00:11:37.000 And there's a wholesale rejection of it.
00:11:40.540 Yeah.
00:11:41.500 And I want to get into the polling that you've done on that.
00:11:44.380 I also want to just take a second here.
00:11:48.940 We have always, the Republican Party has always been about, it said, limited government, smaller government,
00:11:57.040 but what it does is entirely different.
00:12:00.800 It is supporting bigger government, ever bigger government, more spending.
00:12:06.640 McConnell and McCarthy pushed through a three and a half trillion dollar debt ceiling and said, spend what you will.
00:12:13.560 The Republican rhino leadership doesn't stand for a damn thing, Robert, and the American people understand it.
00:12:21.280 Well, it's very frustrating because that's the type of infrastructure that ought to be there. 0.93
00:12:28.400 I mean, when you look at the way that the left organized around the Arabello and all that stuff, 1.00
00:12:35.680 and they created the group that would help bind all these different groups, whether it's C3, C4s, PACs, and plan it all out.
00:12:46.940 I mean, they built a roadmap.
00:12:49.160 They found a way to follow, to do what they're doing within the law as it exists, and they just sped right past.
00:12:58.540 And, you know, what I see is a lot of duplication and a lot of consultants who are making a lot of money,
00:13:06.540 but I don't really see that thirst for winning and that figure out a way to win attitude that you're seeing out of the left.
00:13:16.680 And they're not going to just let this thing go.
00:13:21.300 You know, to me, all this talk kind of reminds me of all this, you know, Bush just won the first Gulf War.
00:13:28.400 There's no way this equipment guy's going to touch him.
00:13:31.200 I mean, that's kind of the way this feels.
00:13:32.640 Exactly.
00:13:33.580 And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, guys, it's a long way from Election Day, and he just had a good job report,
00:13:40.500 and he just actually took out a terrorist with limited, you know, casualties.
00:13:45.660 I mean, let's just consider, you know, we've got some rate hikes.
00:13:51.780 Inflation might be in check, and people going back to work, and COVID going away.
00:13:56.860 I mean, just let's consider there might be a world that don't look at this week come next November.
00:14:02.640 We need a real plan.
00:14:04.940 Absolutely.
00:14:05.940 And the Democrats, by the way, and I can't wait to get your reaction to this.
00:14:09.800 Within the last 24 hours, we have seen en masse blue state governors act as one,
00:14:16.920 and many blue city mayors act as one, dismiss mandates, dismiss even mass, and very clearly signaling that they're going to back away from jabs.
00:14:33.880 It is saying subtly that not only, as President Biden said, there isn't a federal solution.
00:14:42.140 Hell, there isn't a state or local solution either.
00:14:46.440 So, quote, unquote, we now have to live with the pandemic, which means it's an endemic.
00:14:53.300 Your thoughts about the Democratic Party moving as one, and I mean stopping on a dime and pivoting.
00:15:00.140 It looks like the Democrat Party has returned back to its senses and is listening to people like James Carville,
00:15:09.060 and we're still listening to people like Frank Lutz.
00:15:12.660 Yep.
00:15:13.520 I think that is the best way to put it.
00:15:16.740 And for people who don't know, Frank Lutz is a – would you like to describe him, Robert?
00:15:22.440 Well, I mean, it has been clear I think Tucker Carlson has done some of the best work on this is that he definitely had a great reputation as a pollster,
00:15:34.400 but he got hired by so many of these corporate types and making such big corporate money and pushing their agendas.
00:15:41.880 And, hey, you know, absolute power corrupts will – you know, millions of corporate dollars can also corrupt.
00:15:52.680 And sometimes it's easy to forget where you came from and to forget that this guy started as a Buchanan pollster for where he is today.
00:16:02.140 And there is not a recognition that his advice is no longer aligned with where we are.
00:16:08.940 Yeah, and let's be – to be completely honest, I think most Republicans in the House and the Senate particularly would just as soon forget where they did come from.
00:16:23.720 They came from sitting on the knee of the Chamber of Commerce, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in the Business Roundtable, 0.88
00:16:31.160 and acting like they were the dummies. 0.81
00:16:33.820 They were the party of big business, corporate America, Wall Street. 0.96
00:16:38.200 And you know what?
00:16:39.120 I don't believe that anything is going to change one whit in November 2022.
00:16:44.840 That's how strongly I believe that these Republicans are just out of their minds right now, their leadership.
00:16:52.200 Well, the trends are definitely in favor of Republicans.
00:16:57.600 But, again, my fear is that they're not utilizing it right.
00:17:05.260 And, you know, when you've got a big wave – and this is coming from a guy who couldn't surf if it made his life.
00:17:12.380 But in watching people surf, you either cry send of the wave or you glide on top of it.
00:17:21.040 And we better learn to glide on top of it because the public is frustrated, and right now the Republican Party is the answer.
00:17:29.980 You know, we had our generic ballot a few weeks ago had a 14-point gap, and I was on Newsmax after the rally, and somebody suggested, oh, you know, the Republicans picked up all these people.
00:17:43.820 I said, no, these are not Republicans.
00:17:45.760 Just because somebody is saying a generic ballot, I'm going to vote Republican, doesn't mean they're Republican.
00:17:52.600 It's full of people that were self-identified Democrats, self-identified independents. 0.99
00:17:57.640 It's like if you've been at the casino all night, and you've been betting red, and you go, man, I'm losing my butt. 0.98
00:18:03.320 What the hell do I have to lose? 0.98
00:18:04.620 I'm just going to bet black for a while. 0.98
00:18:06.640 That doesn't mean that that is your new direction.
00:18:09.620 It means you're going to give the Republicans a shot, and the Republicans, if they win, have a chance to earn your support on going that doesn't make your Republican to vote Republican once.
00:18:20.900 Let me ask you this, and I'm looking at your latest survey.
00:18:26.440 The question, if election for Congress were held today, which candidate would you vote for the generic ballot?
00:18:31.820 The Republican candidate looks like 13% differential with a Democrat.
00:18:36.440 Well, right now, most of the independents are voting Republican.
00:18:40.420 Here's the thing.
00:18:42.020 That's what the difference between self-identified.
00:18:46.520 Most people do fall into one party.
00:18:50.360 They don't like labels.
00:18:52.140 And what's really interesting is the people who most resist labels are Republicans.
00:18:56.920 Republicans do not like saying they are Republicans.
00:18:59.480 They like saying that they're MAGA.
00:19:02.920 They don't like that because their loyalty is not to an elephant in red.
00:19:09.260 Their loyalty is to a set of values that the Republican Party currently seems to represent.
00:19:16.300 And if the Republican Party moved off of those, they would be gone.
00:19:19.440 No, I'm saying proposes to, purports to represent.
00:19:22.760 No, I understand.
00:19:24.100 Most Republicans are more loyal to what they believe than they are to an elephant in the color of red.
00:19:31.880 Back from my days when I ran campaigns, I used to always say there are two ways that somebody who's winning can run.
00:19:42.520 They can run like they're losing and give it everything they got, even if they think they're winning.
00:19:51.100 Right.
00:19:51.680 Or they can run like they're afraid of losing.
00:19:55.580 And when you run like you're afraid of losing, you stop taking hard stands.
00:20:00.200 It's kind of like playing a pre-event defense where you're wanting to give them a little bit so they don't get the long goal.
00:20:11.020 Right.
00:20:11.160 And, you know, you'll let a 10-yard pass go.
00:20:13.960 You just have lost somebody, you know, doesn't get a touchdown pass.
00:20:17.060 Well, 10 yards, 10 yards, 10 yards, and guess what?
00:20:19.740 You're in overtime.
00:20:21.060 And I feel like that's kind of where the Republican Party is, is it's running this kind of a pre-event,
00:20:26.740 trying not to lose defense versus just going all in on what you believe in.
00:20:33.200 And I see, you know, just little compromises in the way they're putting things.
00:20:38.440 I mean, I keep hearing they're going to put together their contract with America, you know, my version.
00:20:44.080 Well, I'd really like to see what it is you're wanting to coalesce around believing because I have a hard time buying that it's going to be the stuff that's really moving people.
00:20:54.460 Yeah, I do, too.
00:20:56.580 I don't feel like that's what's going to be, you know. 0.97
00:21:00.980 And rest assured, when the Democrats aren't stupid, and I generally think the Democrats have some pretty good pollsters on their side
00:21:09.320 who do a better job of figuring out what's going to happen sometimes, especially on this hard ideological stuff, 0.97
00:21:20.660 you know, when the Democrats are ready to get the Keystone Pipeline going again to secure the border,
00:21:25.920 you better watch out.
00:21:27.920 I mean, because I think they figured out what they've been doing wrong.
00:21:31.440 I mean, you hear people like Carville all the time going, this is crazy, this is crazy.
00:21:37.840 I mean, you know, these guys have figured out what's going on that has gotten too woke and everything else,
00:21:45.380 and that the party is outside.
00:21:47.560 I mean, you know, Bill Clinton understood the idea of how to triangulate.
00:21:53.380 I mean, there was, you know, those who are old enough to remember the sister soldier moment understand that he said,
00:22:00.740 I'm not that kind of Democrat, and here's proof.
00:22:03.980 That's all he had to do.
00:22:05.240 And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
00:22:08.480 You know, that he didn't fall into all those traps.
00:22:12.180 He would not be defined as what you thought a Democrat was.
00:22:16.620 And yet I don't see this same insistence on the Republican Party to not be defined as what people will define them as.
00:22:26.220 Right.
00:22:26.600 Well, Biden has already leapt at the opportunity to send troops abroad.
00:22:31.380 He said he was taking our troops out of Afghanistan because he wanted to bring the troops home.
00:22:39.820 He did that because Donald Trump wanted to bring our troops home and to end our foreign adventures, and appropriately so. 1.00
00:22:49.120 And then as Biden tries to ape Trump, he screws up a surrender for crying out loud.
00:22:57.900 It doesn't get much worse than that in military terms.
00:23:01.160 There is not a single thing that this administration can point to that is a positive going into the midterm elections as of right now.
00:23:11.540 So I think the question we're at right now is, what do the Republicans do internally to deal with their rhino issue, to deal with their leadership issue, and to assure victory in November?
00:23:31.160 Well, I mean, if it was easy, everybody would do it.
00:23:34.700 It's not.
00:23:35.620 Yeah.
00:23:37.400 You know, you look at kind of what the Democrats have just gone through with, you know, they've got some of their moderate members abandoning them.
00:23:48.660 And I always joke that the Democrats are in a bad marriage and the Republicans are in a civil war.
00:23:55.860 And that's kind of the way it feels.
00:23:57.840 But there's one side that is playing a game of addition, and there's the other side trying to hold on to something that went away a long time ago.
00:24:11.680 And there's, you know, a lot of this has to do with kind of that, you know, that forgotten American, that the Mitt Romney ships your jobs overseas Republican Party isn't, is gone.
00:24:28.560 It's not that, you know, the party of big businesses and expensive small towns, you know, this is much more the party of made in America and, you know, looking out for, you know, America first, Americans first.
00:24:46.120 And this is not a party that's afraid of a tariff if somebody isn't treating fairly with America.
00:24:51.860 And they don't like that and they would like for the quote unquote bad old Trump days to go away.
00:24:58.700 But the problem is, is there's not a party left then because so many of those people that were on their side are Democrats now.
00:25:08.400 And they've inherited a larger crowd of people, but at the same time, we, you know, what Republicans don't need is to lose even the RONOs because it's got to be a coalition to stay.
00:25:26.900 I mean, we, I think in all the years and everything I've read, we're as close to some other kind of a movement, whether it's some of the Democrats, some of the Republicans, to me, I feel like we're as close to some kind of a third party, some kind of a, some kind of a breakaway of a little bit of each as we've been in a long time.
00:25:52.940 And that probably spells doom for the Republicans.
00:25:56.900 So it's like, almost like if you're a Republican and you're RONO and you don't, and you don't like the Trump world and you don't like MAGA, you got to get through 2022 and you might have to hold your nose and put up with some stuff you don't like, because the only thing you like less than that is losing.
00:26:15.680 Trump showed everybody what to do to win.
00:26:18.660 Take on the issues, take a position that is America first, puts America first. 0.86
00:26:24.020 Imagine that.
00:26:24.820 That is still a radical idea after Trump proved what it can do, both electorally and in governing.
00:26:31.840 To me, it's insane that we listen to dinosaurs like McConnell and when we need desperately new blood, new energy, vigor and fight to go out after the purpose of a Senate and a House to begin with.
00:26:52.600 To represent the people, to represent the people, to achieve a common consensus that is fundamentally the purpose of our government and get things done for this country.
00:27:06.180 We've got to have candidates who can talk and understand and communicate the reality and what these Republicans are going to do.
00:27:13.960 That's better than these, uh, not socialists, not progressives, not liberals.
00:27:19.520 They're, they're, they're Marxists, the democratic party, your thoughts.
00:27:25.080 And the thing is there's a growing American consensus.
00:27:28.060 I mean, the one thing we've figured out in polling recently is that it doesn't matter what party you're in.
00:27:34.100 There is a, there is a, there is a, an American consensus that has arrived that is, we don't need the supply chain to go through China.
00:27:43.220 China is a bad actor on the field. 1.00
00:27:45.840 And I mean, one of the things we found most fascinating was on the environment.
00:27:50.340 Even people who consider themselves really on the left environmentally say things like, what difference does it make if China's building coal plants?
00:27:59.280 Why do we have to live every, there is a consensus that China is a, a major threat and a major problem.
00:28:08.280 Uh, people see it, they, uh, they understand it.
00:28:10.760 You, you have more and more people speak out about it.
00:28:13.440 And there, this is, again, this is America, this is 60, 70% of the public.
00:28:19.140 I mean, this is the kind of thing that you ought to jump onto because this is, this is one of those places.
00:28:24.620 It's a huge divide and, you know, that there's, there's such, uh, there's such friction and, you know, there, no matter what the administration says, people understand about the virus and about everything that, that happened and the way it was sent.
00:28:41.140 And that would they do anything to stop it and they lied about how it happened.
00:28:45.740 They understand that, that they're, you know, everything from their movies are being changed to, to the, they're being, people are, are building, um, all kinds of infrastructure there and, you know, losing American influence around the world.
00:29:03.400 And people get all that.
00:29:05.620 And, and, you know, it's, it's funny when you, you, when we did the contrast on Ukraine and China, Americans are not about going all in for Ukraine, but they sure are all in for not letting China have Taiwan.
00:29:18.100 You bet.
00:29:19.180 And if you want to talk about a place that Biden could turn, turn this around, let him stand up to China for Taiwan. 0.63
00:29:27.460 And this could be a bloodbath for Republicans in the fall.
00:29:30.360 Peter Schweitzer basically said in his book, Red Handed, that the Chinese own Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and the Biden family.
00:29:37.360 So it'll be an interesting, uh, next, uh, nine or 10 months to see what does happen.
00:29:42.560 Uh, and I think you're exactly right about China.
00:29:45.240 Are there any secrets here that, uh, you can share that will make us feel better about the outcome of the 2020, uh, 2022 election?
00:29:55.240 Well, the first thing I would tell you is that once somebody makes up their mind about an individual or a party, it tends to stay made up.
00:30:11.740 There was, there was what we'd noticed early on in the Biden administration.
00:30:16.520 There was a separation, there was about six or seven points between Biden's personal popularity and the popularity of his policies.
00:30:24.880 His policies were much less popular than he was personally.
00:30:29.500 All of a sudden, when Afghanistan happened, it collapsed. 1.00
00:30:33.580 And his personal popularity was right there at the same place with the popularity of his policies.
00:30:41.000 And so people have made up their mind.
00:30:43.140 He and the Democrats do not do things well.
00:30:47.480 Um, you know, and it, and it, and it goes across the board.
00:30:52.860 It's just, these guys don't know what they're doing.
00:30:56.080 One of the most entertaining, uh, calls I remember it was late in the game and new, we were doing a poll in New Jersey.
00:31:03.660 And this guy was like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not voting for the governor because I'm sick of seeing tunnel towers ads.
00:31:12.920 And we're like, excuse me.
00:31:14.800 He said, yeah, if we've got $450,000 to send illegal immigrants, why can't we take care of our soldiers? 0.98
00:31:21.600 Why do they got to have these ads all the time on TV so that we have to give money because we sell our money on immigrants? 0.99
00:31:28.800 I'm, I'm done with the Democrats all of them.
00:31:30.720 Just like, and it, I mean, literally this guy's just, he was just done.
00:31:35.100 He didn't, he didn't care or the governor, it doesn't matter.
00:31:38.820 He was done with Democrats.
00:31:41.280 Well, and, and so when people make that turn, it's strong.
00:31:45.380 And I think that turn is there, but people in the end will vote.
00:31:51.460 They're pocketbooks.
00:31:52.860 And the question is, how do they answer that question?
00:31:57.040 Did they feel better in the fall of 2022 than maybe they did in the fall of 2021?
00:32:02.900 And I'm not sure what the answer about that is when they look at their pocketbooks and they look at their lifestyles.
00:32:08.160 I mean, you know, when you look at, at, at, at all these sporting events and these huge crowds, it's because it's kind of new to get back out.
00:32:19.840 Right.
00:32:20.400 And so, and there's a little bit of euphoria comes with that.
00:32:23.800 So when people, especially in more of the swing areas, because a lot of the South and other places have already been kind of open, but as they start open and they start to kind of quote unquote live again, there's a little euphoria.
00:32:36.960 Well, like, I don't know why I'm going to do it, but I'm just happier.
00:32:41.100 And when people are happy, they don't tend to vote people out.
00:32:46.100 This president is feeble and it's, it's palpable.
00:32:50.420 It's noticeable. 0.98
00:32:51.240 It's obvious.
00:32:51.860 Uh, that is what's incredible to me is that the American people right now, uh, have rejected it, uh, looking at these poll numbers, they're, they're disastrous.
00:33:03.720 Uh, and, uh, for the first time, uh, in looking at real clear politics that he's fallen below on that average below 40% for the first time.
00:33:14.740 What are your thoughts about that and the significance of it for the election in 2022?
00:33:21.280 Well, I think that, um, there's still some really crazy polls in there.
00:33:27.980 The fact that it's as high as it is, um, you know, when you, you, you, you've got some polls who are still thinking that 45% of the population thinks Biden's doing all right.
00:33:37.280 Um, you got to start wondering who the heck are they talking to, um, but you know, I think that people, I think it's more, Robert, I think, Robert, it might be more that, uh, those corporations paying for those polls, uh, may have more influence on the, on the outcome.
00:33:56.620 What do you think?
00:33:57.100 Well, you know, I've, I've always, uh, the last few years I've been saying, these people are either intentionally trying to skew the polls or they're incompetent.
00:34:08.520 And I'm not sure which is worse.
00:34:11.320 So it might be really bad and it could be both.
00:34:15.100 It could be both.
00:34:17.300 Um, it's completely possible.
00:34:20.220 Uh, you know, these are the same, you know, guys, their error rate in 2020 was, you know, five, 6%.
00:34:26.300 At least some of them have decided they don't want to poll elections anymore.
00:34:29.600 You got, you got to wonder about a polling firm that says, we don't want to do elections anymore.
00:34:33.460 It's like the kid who tells teacher, I'm too smart to take tests anymore.
00:34:36.680 I, you just got to take my word for the fact I'm smart.
00:34:39.800 Exactly.
00:34:40.720 Yeah.
00:34:41.960 That's, that's a, I think that they're analogy.
00:34:45.460 Yeah.
00:34:46.200 I think that we, we are at a point where Biden continues to be the face of the Democrat party.
00:34:52.720 And, um, and then, you know, backup face, uh, is come and, um, that's not good news either for them.
00:35:03.000 Um, and I think that, that, the fact that they've got that, those poster child, you know, that, those are kind of their lead poster children, uh, for their movement is, is positive for Republicans.
00:35:19.020 Um, Nancy Pelosi is still, you know, kind of a, I mean, she, she still motivates a lot of people to vote.
00:35:27.440 I mean, when, you know, Kevin Carsey's ads on TV or fire Pelosi, not, not make me speaker.
00:35:32.440 But when, when you build an entire operation, an entire movement based on get rid of them and not why us, then you run the risk of when, if that anger at them starts to wane, you haven't given them an option B.
00:35:56.600 You haven't, you haven't, I mean, you haven't really inspired what it is you're going to do.
00:36:02.080 And so that is, that is, yeah, that's a real problem.
00:36:07.580 And unfortunately, Robert, uh, we've got a, a more recent and significant empirical, uh, rejoinder to that.
00:36:16.780 And that is of course the Biden campaign of 2020, the man ran against Trump. 0.93
00:36:23.340 Uh, he didn't run for a damn thing. 0.96
00:36:26.520 He didn't stand for a damn thing. 0.91
00:36:28.140 He didn't come out of his basement, uh, for at least during daylight hours. 0.96
00:36:33.700 I mean, think about what he did and what he pulled off.
00:36:38.340 And here's the problem.
00:36:39.440 The guy ran, he ran the Democrat primary and I'll give him credit as like, these guys are a bunch of loons. 0.60
00:36:47.980 And I'm the only guy that you can relate to.
00:36:49.880 He, he ran for president in the fall as, you know, Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm kind of the moderate Democrat.
00:36:58.720 Who's not out in left field.
00:37:01.060 You're not getting Sanders.
00:37:02.580 You're not.
00:37:03.700 And then he gets in and all of a sudden he gets in with what I would, you know, the political equivalent to a push with a five seat majority in the house.
00:37:14.360 And, uh, uh, dead, even Senate and a ridiculously close presidential race, but, you know, uh, less than a hundred thousand votes split between a few States.
00:37:23.900 And, and he's governing like he's got a Roosevelt, um, mandate.
00:37:30.480 And so no, no wonder the policies don't match the way he won.
00:37:35.860 I mean, he should have been down the middle finding things that are very, very bipartisan that he could get done instead of pushing for things that you would need to have.
00:37:46.720 And, you know, another 10 senators and another 30 reps to get done.
00:37:51.120 Yeah.
00:37:52.260 Yeah.
00:37:52.780 It's, uh, it's, it's stunning.
00:37:54.800 Uh, you know, I, I wish we had more time to talk.
00:37:58.700 I hope you'll come back sooner rather than later.
00:38:02.080 Uh, and, uh, please join us for a continued conversation about what is shaping up as one fascinating political year, uh, in every respect in our lives here in America.
00:38:14.740 It's a fascinating year, uh, Robert, we appreciate you being with us.
00:38:19.800 Uh, any, any last concluding thoughts?
00:38:25.140 Well, if you, if, if you look at the, um, if you look at this election, like a crazy car ride, I might suggest wearing your seatbelt and make sure your airbags work.
00:38:38.100 Cause it's going to be bumpy.
00:38:39.280 Robert Cahaley, uh, one of the best, uh, pollsters strategists in the country, a great American, uh, and he puts it in language that, uh, all of us can understand.
00:38:49.620 Uh, and, uh, whether we agree with, uh, uh, you know, some of the, uh, uh, things he said, uh, every one of his thoughts and his views are well-reasoned and, uh, we admire him greatly.
00:39:04.280 Okay. So thanks for being with us on this edition of the great America show.
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