The New York Post's Miranda Devine joins host Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss the latest in the Hunter Biden scandal, Elon Musk's revelation that the FBI was colluding with Marxist Democrats to keep the truth out of the public eye, and the deep state s campaign to smear Donald Trump.
00:00:00.140Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. This is The Great America Show. Welcome and great to have you with us, as always.
00:00:07.340Today, Miranda Devine joins us. Miranda is the ultra-talented star columnist for the New York Post,
00:00:14.000and she'll be giving us her latest take on Hunter Biden, the robust investigations that the Republicans are opening up,
00:00:21.380and yes, included in it all will be Hunter's father, Joe Biden, swamp swami, and the swamp is alive to a new breeze rolling in over the waters.
00:00:33.420Turns out that not all oligarchs are beyond concern for the nation and the American people.
00:00:40.100Enter Elon Musk, who has just pulled back the underbrush where Twitter executives had buried much of the evidence of their complicity
00:00:48.300with the FBI in suppressing the truth of Hunter Biden's laptop from American voters.
00:00:55.440Top executives meeting with FBI officials each week to assure the Marxist Dems' lies were undisturbed by truth,
00:01:03.800and the corrupted Twitter officials obliged. And who else? We don't yet know.
00:01:09.920But Elon Musk vows there's much more to come.
00:01:12.720And so far, Musk has delivered on our hopes that he will indeed be a constant champion of free speech.
00:01:27.900And the left will soon have to deal with truth and the consequences, which they've avoided for more than six years.
00:01:34.940Revelations are arriving by the day, it seems.
00:01:38.320Evidence that the Marxist Dems collaborated with the deep state, the Marxist global media, and corporate globalists.
00:01:45.820A toxic brew, if ever there was one, concocted to first stop Donald Trump from being elected back in 2016.
00:01:53.740Then to destroy his presidency with years of FBI investigations of the hoax Russian collusion frame-up and the special counsel investigation in two impeachments.
00:02:06.740And now in the seventh year of the political persecution of Donald Trump, a second special counsel.
00:02:14.060But now we know the effort to block Trump's re-election was a whole-of-government effort,
00:02:20.000driven by the Marxist Dems and some of Trump's appointees.
00:02:26.380Thanks to Elon Musk's revelations this week, we know that the FBI and Twitter top officials were meeting weekly as they suppressed the truth from the American people.
00:02:37.240Our guest today is the New York Post's Miranda Devine, star columnist for the Post.
00:02:43.340Great as always, Miranda, to have you with us.
00:02:45.460Let's start with the idea that the world's richest man is the oligarch standard-bearer for free speech in America.
00:02:53.080No matter his motives, he is, at least to me, the man of the hour in the fight for freedom.
00:04:16.040And the White House is not being in any way nuanced or subtle.
00:04:20.800They're making absolute direct threats.
00:04:23.500They're trying to intimidate him right now.
00:04:26.580Tim Cook, one of the left's favorites, is not a man to in any way take for granted that he won't have a series of consequences awaiting Elon Musk.
00:04:40.380But it's interesting that these two billionaires, one, the wealthiest by far, the wealthiest man in the world,
00:04:50.400but both their companies are dependent on Chinese products, Chinese labor to one degree or another across all three of Musk's principal businesses.
00:05:02.460This is a really a study in dependency on the part of American entrepreneurs and corporations and how it plays out.
00:05:12.760I couldn't possibly tell you how it's going to wrap up.
00:05:16.260Yeah, look, it really we're seeing just how enmeshed American economy and American elites are with China.
00:05:26.200You know, there was talk during the Trump administration of decoupling, but, you know, we haven't even done that with antibiotics on the supply chain.
00:05:35.860So I think it's, you know, it's just a Herculean task and there's certainly no desire to do it among top politicians and top business people in America.
00:05:49.140But you see, yes, both Musk and Cook or Apple are exposed to China.
00:05:56.780But in Apple's case, Tim Cook's case, they've gone one step further to actively assisting the Chinese Communist Party and cracking down on their people by, you know,
00:06:08.600they issued that update where they removed a feature that was assisting the protesters and the airdrop feature.
00:06:52.260This is not a partisan defense or advocacy of any kind, because both parties are culpable.
00:07:00.600We have given Wall Street and what used to be corporate America, but which is now global, corporate global, we've given them far too much power.
00:07:13.180And we don't have a countervailing influence in this country right now to that awesome economic and political power, do we?
00:07:19.840No. And you just reminded me of, I don't know if you remember, there was a Chinese professor who spoke just after the 2020 election.
00:07:29.960He gave a lecture to do a big auditorium of young students in, I think it was in Beijing, maybe in Shanghai.
00:07:37.200But he, anyway, was talking about America in the election, and he said the problem with Trump was that Wall Street could not fix Trump.
00:07:46.680Our friends in Wall Street who always, through the decades, have assisted us, they could not fix Trump.
00:07:54.020And that was why Trump had to go in 2020 by hook or by crook.
00:07:58.220And every aspect of the establishment of the power elite in this country worked to ensure that happened, and they didn't care if it was by fair means or foul.
00:08:09.600And it's absolutely true, because right now, as we're watching this economy start to right itself,
00:08:20.080with throughout all of the cries about high inflation, all of the concerns about the dysfunction of both markets and volatility.
00:08:30.020Meanwhile, Wall Street was steadfastly, constantly shipping hundreds of billions of dollars to China for investment there.
00:08:40.100And people wonder why the market isn't quite as robust as it might be.
00:08:44.100And that is one of the reasons. Capital is flowing out, not in, even though we have the most secure markets in the world.
00:08:53.460It's going to be telling this next year in terms of what happens to this economy and China's.
00:09:00.020Well, Lou, and also, this is the product of many decades of an influence operation deliberately managed by China to capture America's elites.
00:09:15.180And Joe Biden was front and center of that.
00:09:18.280He, back in 1979, was duchess on his first trip as a young senator, as the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee in the Senate.
00:09:30.020He was duchess in China by then, you know, President Xi Jinping, I'm not pronouncing his name correctly.
00:09:39.900And the top CCP officials, they took him to the equivalent, the Chinese equivalent of Martha's Vineyard for several days of full on brainwashing.
00:09:49.280And he came back and he was so embarrassingly a cheerleader for China that the Weekly Standard, from memory, wrote some crushing headline about how embarrassing he is.
00:10:00.500But he continued in that vein ever after and was always saying, oh, China's not going to, you know, eat our lunch, they're our friends, you know, that's ridiculous.
00:10:11.140And in 2001, he was instrumental again as the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in getting the Senate to agree to allow China to join the World Trade Organization, which was endlessly destructive to American manufacturing, hollowed out the middle class of America.
00:11:22.960And we still are losing an estimated half trillion dollars a year in intellectual capital and intellectual property and technology that they are stealing from us as if the FBI didn't exist.
00:11:37.600They can put 40 FBI agents on a murder case in Idaho but can't find anyone to go out and enforce U.S. laws against sabotage, espionage, and spying.
00:12:12.220Tell us your sense of where we are with young Biden, I guess we can call him that.
00:12:20.440Well, I think, you know, you mentioned the Republicans and their investigations now that they have control of the House.
00:12:26.900I do think that the investigation into what we can call the Hunter Biden laptop affair is important.
00:12:34.360And the reason is that I think that both Jim Jordan and James Comer and, in fact, Kevin McCarthy have all made a point of saying that this is not about Hunter Biden.
00:12:48.460It is about his involvement in his family's overseas influence peddling scheme.
00:12:53.740And also about whether or not that means that, thanks to the millions of dollars that flowed through to his family, that he is compromised by China, in particular, our greatest adversary.
00:13:06.820And you could also say Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Kazakhstan.
00:13:09.980I mean, money flowed through to Biden family coffers and their associates from those countries as well.
00:13:16.340But what's most damaging to us is China.
00:13:20.340And that's where we've seen the Biden administration really unwind a lot of the get tough on China policies of the Trump administration.
00:13:33.380I'm not saying that we know that Joe Biden is compromised.
00:13:38.480I'm not saying that he's a Manchurian candidate.
00:13:41.020But what I'm saying is that the very existence of that money trail suggests that maybe he is compromised and that when he meets with President Xi, that he's not doing what he pretends he's doing afterwards.
00:13:57.400What does never shows up in the official, you know, report, never a transcript of their meeting, which is, you know, that he should press Xi about the origins of COVID and other issues that we have problems with.
00:14:13.140He just spends an hour, sometimes two hours of these long, you know, rambling conversations with Xi.
00:14:19.980God knows what Xi, who's a chemical engineer, makes of the big noting and the stories about corn pop and so on.
00:14:26.820But he never manages to do anything that's in America's best interests.
00:14:32.440And that that is something that is a pattern with Joe Biden since his vice presidential days.
00:14:39.380He was dispatched off to Beijing in 2013 to try and stem China's aggression.
00:14:47.680At that point, it wasn't completely unmanageable.
00:14:51.320America could have threatened and coerced China into not militarizing those islands in the South China Sea to stop stealing America's intellectual property.
00:15:03.240The power balance at that point wasn't so even.
00:15:07.600But Joe Biden, he'd been dispatched by President Obama to be his man in China, to be his point man there.
00:15:15.920And Joe Biden went to Beijing with Hunter Biden in tow on Air Force Two in 2013.
00:15:23.880He got none of the things that he went there to extract from China.
00:15:29.020But Hunter Biden walked away with a 10 percent share in an equity fund that was at last count, I think 2019, had two and a half billion dollars of funds under management.
00:15:42.320So America lost, but the Biden family won.
00:15:45.800And that has been the story of the Biden family throughout, certainly with Hunter Biden's leadership, I will say, with those enterprises.
00:15:58.200Joe Biden parading Hunter around in our faces, the famous wave as they were off to vacation boarding Air Force One.
00:16:07.780And this is this is a time, if ever there were, for a real investigation.
00:16:14.680Miranda, I have to say to you, I really am.
00:16:18.080I think James Comer is an outstanding congressman.
00:16:21.520I think he has immense potential and an immense possibility as a leader in the Republican Party.
00:16:30.540But what I fear is that with Kevin McCarthy, who himself has a number of questions about his commitment to conservative and mainstream traditional American values,
00:16:43.020I think that if we could be looking at a repetition of Benghazi, we could see Jason Chaffetz.
00:16:49.840We could be seeing Trey Gowdy as chairman rather than the men that I think they are.
00:16:56.940Yes, and I think that those misgivings have led to a group of Republicans pushing for Lee Zeldin, who did so well in New York in, you know, coming very close to winning the governorship.
00:17:14.340But possibly even more important, at least for the country, was that because of the strength of his campaign, he managed to drag another four congressmen into Washington and flip the House.
00:17:32.320So you can honestly say that without Lee Zeldin, Republicans would not have won the House, would not have won control there.
00:17:40.980He single-handedly created a red wave in New York.
00:17:45.320So I think that he is an underutilized resource and so do many others.
00:17:52.860Now, there's talk of his also replacing Rona McDaniel, which I think is incredibly important.
00:18:00.520You cannot preside over any losses as she has and keep on making the same mistakes and stick with the same job.
00:18:09.420I just cannot believe that she'd be left in place.
00:18:12.480But others have said that Kevin McCarthy, because the numbers are so tight, that he really, he needs 218 votes and that he may not get them.
00:18:25.240And in that case, Lee Zeldin is eligible to be drafted.
00:18:30.280He's also, I mean, you know, two-term congressman, only just vacated his post and just cleaned out his desk a couple of weeks ago, in fact.
00:18:39.800And so he would be someone who would unify Republicans and he's shown himself to be, he's always underestimated, but he was in the 101st Airborne.
00:18:53.720He's a pretty tough cookie and he's sort of a quiet achiever.
00:18:59.200I think he could, he could really replace McCarthy and do a very good job.
00:19:03.780I think that I would, I would vote for him over McCarthy in a minute.
00:19:10.100What I would not do is put him in the RNC.
00:19:13.720This is a man who has immense potential, as you say.
00:19:16.540And I think we have to, before we canonize and remind everybody, he lost by seven points.
00:19:21.740He did not come, that it can't be considered good enough for anyone to be lionized.
00:19:28.460I don't care how dire the prospects are for the Republican Party.
00:19:38.620And I think the Republicans should respect him enough to put resources into New York and to go after New York and to win the governorship and to get behind him for what will be an arduous campaign.
00:19:51.240The Republican Party doesn't invest in talent.
00:19:53.720The Republican Party, the Democrats do, and they nurture and develop talent.
00:20:00.900He is young enough that he could make all of the difference in the world in Washington from New York, in my opinion.
00:20:08.660I mean, he was, remember, during the impeachment, he was one of the fire-breathing dragons who defended President Trump.
00:20:17.680So, he's got a mild-mannered air about him, but he's a mongrel, really.
00:20:36.900Whether we're talking about Michael Lindell, whoever it would be, fight for that job, bring real money and originality and a positive, affirmative, proven accomplishment and raising a lot of money because that's what it's going to take.
00:20:55.080And we just, that person is not obvious to me right now.
00:20:59.980And I think there should be a slam, slam, bang, dash, bash fight for that job instead of a sinecure, which is what it's become under McDaniel.
00:22:22.700That he did an amazing job for the America First movement.
00:22:27.600He inspired a generation to come after him.
00:22:31.860And in a sense, I wish that he would sit back and become an elder statesman and the sort of father figure and patron of that movement and put his weight and his talents behind a younger person.
00:22:48.360Because the fact is that he'll be a year older, I think, than Joe Biden was when he first took office if he wins in 2024.
00:22:57.860That really means that he's a terribly healthy and fit guy.
00:23:01.960You know, he looks even fitter now that he did before.
00:23:05.780But it does mean he's probably only a one-termer.
00:23:08.960And also, I think, after Joe Biden, there's just a mood in the country.
00:23:13.620You know, after Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and this sort of gerontocracy in Washington.
00:23:20.860And the fact that a younger generation was so damaged during COVID by the lockdown.
00:23:27.020And there'll be a lot of those kids that were at school and were damaged so much and their education destroyed who will be coming on stream as new voters.
00:23:37.380I really think that the Democrats, no matter what they say about Joe Biden, they're just protecting him.
00:23:43.840He just doesn't want to be a lame duck.
00:23:46.340They're going to run a youth ticket in 2024.
00:23:50.160And I think that is also going to hurt Donald Trump.
00:23:53.020So, and then, you know, as you say, I mean, maybe he'll get his act together with his organization.
00:23:59.180But he's had a long time to regroup and create a winning combination for 2024.
00:24:08.040And, you know, just that Kanye West-Nicks-Wentes dinner that he allowed to happen at Mar-a-Lago.
00:24:15.240So, you know, it just looks to me like they were trolling him and they took advantage of his good nature.
00:24:21.280I don't think people really understand that Donald Trump's actually a very nice and generous man in person.
00:24:34.940The president, he is, as you say, a generous man.
00:24:42.140I think part of his tough facade is he tries to protect his inner nature perhaps too much.
00:24:48.280And why he didn't fire everyone associated with putting those two racists, firing them immediately, to put them in front of Donald Trump, to permit him to even be in the same room with those people, let alone on his property, is outrageous.
00:25:09.700It's just, but, you know, I can forgive once.
00:25:26.500And it won't, he's got to use every minute of every hour from now until Election Day 2024 if he means to be president of the United States again.
00:25:37.480It's going to be a battle for him no matter what, because Ron DeSantis and God knows who else will be trying to win that nomination.
00:25:48.740You've been great with your time, and it's great of you to be with us here on The Great America Show.
00:25:54.480We always give our guests the last word, as you well know.
00:25:58.620And if I may, turn to you for your concluding thoughts on whatever and however many issues you would like to discuss.
00:26:05.920Well, just to take on from Donald Trump, do you really think maybe his heart is not in it, that he feels that he ought to run because so many people, you know, are relying on him to sort of rescue the country?
00:26:20.960And my other thought about the primary is I think it's good to have, you know, Republicans have a very deep bench.
00:26:30.680And whether it's Ron DeSantis, who I think is terrific and a fighter in the mould of Donald Trump, or someone like Glenn Youngkin, who I'm not so keen on, but he does have that sort of blancmange personality that sort of reaches across the aisle and might drag a few sort of straggling Democrats and independents across, which, you know, you need to do.
00:26:51.940You need to appeal to the centre or, you know, people we don't even know about.
00:26:57.140I think there's a lot of talent there and I think it's good and healthy for democracy and healthy to temper these people for, you know, what's the toughest job in the world to have that competition there.
00:27:09.640It's not, it doesn't, the presidency doesn't belong to any one person.
00:27:13.180Nobody has the right to just demand that it be handed to them on a silver platter.
00:27:17.760So, you know, if Donald Trump really is serious, really his heart is in it, he does want to do it, then great, you know, let the best man or woman win.
00:27:35.940He obviously does not want to go out a loser.
00:27:38.340He obviously is submerged in the political persecution that has persisted since 2016.
00:27:47.900The man is in his seventh year of political persecution without lit up.
00:27:53.240And not one champion, not one voice has risen in the leadership of the Republican Party to defend him and demand that this ignorance stop.
00:28:01.960I think that speaks so poorly of this Republican Party.
00:28:06.440Because you know well that Democrats would have united behind any of their standard bearers to make certain that this kind of nonsense.
00:28:15.380And it's, there's nothing question, there's no question about it.
00:28:20.000It is absolutely flagrant intimidation and retribution.
00:28:25.080And the only wrongdoing that's been exposed, and that's now the seventh year of that political persecution, is wrongdoing by the Department of Justice, by FBI agents, by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign.
00:28:39.100I mean, who, why can't this, let me ask you one last question.
00:28:45.860Why, in your opinion, has there been no, no coalescing around the fact that this is an innocent man has been persecuted by the power structure of the United States, whether it's Wall Street or globalist American corporations.
00:29:07.900Look, I really do think it's not just cowardice on the Republican side.
00:29:12.780It's much easier for Democrats to defend and coalesce around one of their own because they have the media on side.
00:29:20.240So, you know, the Democratic narratives are the ones that are pushed by the elite media, the New York Times, the Washington Post, CBS, NBC, you know, wraparound coverage all the time.
00:29:34.820They colluded with the Democrats to destroy and damage and smear Donald Trump and bring down those around him to cripple his administration.
00:29:45.400And it's very difficult to go against the media.
00:29:49.380You know, you, you, if, if the media doesn't like you as a politician, you're pretty much sunk because they will, they will dig up dirt about you.
00:29:58.860The, the, the Democrat party or the left will have war rooms.
00:30:04.540There are three war rooms, NBC just reported on tens of millions of dollars have gone into them on the Democratic side, on the left.
00:30:13.540And they are all of them looking at defending Joe Biden against Republicans with these upcoming investigations into Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:30:22.500And, and, and they're, they're doing opposition research on the Republican House members on their, on the Republican members of Congress.
00:30:32.580They are going to dig into every aspect of their life, their family's lives.
00:30:37.560And those stories, those smears will then be published readily in the New York Times on the front page.
00:30:43.860Those people's, their lives, their, the schools where their children go, you know, their communities.
00:30:49.840It doesn't matter how innocent you are when, when, when the media and those very clever journalists that the New York Times frame the story to frame you, everyone, your, your reputation is damaged.
00:31:03.800Very few people that can withstand that kind of reputational attack.
00:31:21.000Miranda Devine is an incredible economist and always a delight to have her with us.
00:31:26.600Tomorrow here, our guest will be Congressman Matt Gaetz.
00:31:30.300Congressman Gaetz is among those Republican congressmen who are refusing to support Kevin McCarthy to be the next Speaker of the House of Representatives.
00:31:40.860Congressman Matt Gaetz, our guest here tomorrow.