CARTELS CONTROL THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT AND THE LIVES OF THE MEXICAN PEOPLE
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Retired Col. Douglas McGregor joins Lou Dobbs on The Great America Show to discuss the latest controversy surrounding President Trump s plan to launch missiles into Mexico to fight against the drug cartels, and the reaction from the left-wing media.
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Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and this is the Great America Show. Welcome. Truth, justice and
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the American way are hallmarks, our purpose and assuring those American values are defended
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whether under assault from enemies foreign or domestic. I can remember a time in this country
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when we laughed at the idea of enemies actually within our borders. We studied McCarthyism and
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the red threat and now no one is joking about America's enemies without and within. They are
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real, they're clear and present. We're in a cold war, a clash between totalitarian states whether
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Russia, China or Iran and in Europe our leaders are talking recklessly and dangerously of an expansion
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of the Russian war against Ukraine. It's a difficult time and a dangerous one and from within what is
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an administration that leaves a 2,000 mile long border with Mexico unprotected. Wide open to
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millions of illegals who crossed that line in the first year of the Biden presidency. A president
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who, it can be argued, set conditions that cause Putin to invade Ukraine as the Biden White House
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urged Zelensky to consider joining NATO. But that's a discussion for another time. More proximate is the
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threat at that border, our unprotected southern border, the massive cartel corruption on both sides of
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that border, and a president who is oblivious to the obvious threats to our country. Joining us now
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is Colonel Douglas McGregor, retired Army colonel, decorated veteran of the Gulf War in Kosovo,
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and former Defense Department official. And welcome back to the Great America Show.
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So, Colonel McGregor, I want to start with the latest controversy in the left-wing media. That is
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that President Trump wanted to launch secret missile strikes into Mexico to wipe out drug labs
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run by the drug cartels. And the left, their hair is on fire over this. Your thoughts?
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Well, Lou, this is quite a revelation for the American public, but I can tell you from personal
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experience that Donald Trump recognized very early on in his presidency that our problems that are of
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great significance to our existence as a republic and a free people do not emanate from eastern Ukraine
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or northeast Asia. They come to us from south of the border and the Caribbean basin. That's where our
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problems are. And I know that he, every day, he would struggle with this issue of how many more
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Americans have died from fentanyl overdoses, how many more crimes have been committed against Americans
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that are drug-related, and what do we do to stop it? And he was growing very, very impatient
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because there was no one in the Department of Defense who was remotely interested in protecting the
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southern border, let alone dealing with these very serious threats to our existence.
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I was stunned the first time I heard President Trump early in his administration say the Mexican
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drug cartels are the problem and we're going to declare war on them. He was the first president in
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my lifetime to say anything about the drug cartels. Meanwhile, we've had president after president
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talking about open borders and free trade zones that reach from here to Chile. It's amazing what he
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wasn't given credit for, what he was so prescient about, and for him to have the courage to even
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contemplate that. By the way, I really think he could have pulled it off, and I think it may be the
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only answer to the narco cartels, the transnational narco cartels, who hide in Mexico and who infiltrate
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America every day to simply go after them with U.S. military. What do you think?
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Well, Lou, I think you're spot on, and this was an issue that came up in my discussions with him,
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and it's one of the reasons that we saw eye to eye on many things. First of all, no one wants
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to admit, other than obviously President Trump, that Mexico is effectively an organized crime state.
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If you say that, people are horrified. You say, well, that's a racist comment. It's nothing to do
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with race. I don't know very many people in the United States who express any antipathy for Mexicans.
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I certainly don't have any. That has nothing to do with it. The truth is that Mexico struggles
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internally with a government that, frankly speaking, is largely a facade. The cartels control
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facets of everyday life for millions of Mexicans. In fact, if you work for the cartels, depending upon
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where you are, they cover your dental expenses. They ensure that your children will actually get
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into higher education. I mean, this sounds strange to us, but it's a natural sort of development over
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time that the cartels, as they become more settled and bureaucratized, take over responsibility for the
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people that live under their control. And that involves millions of Mexicans. At the same time,
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these people are still involved in not just drug trafficking, as we know, is this business of
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human trafficking? And we absolutely do not know with any certainty who's coming into the country
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anymore. And that's a real danger to the public. And you would think after 9-11,
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people would be concerned about that. You would think, and you would think knowing now,
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when people talk about being anti-Mexican or racially biased against Mexicans, first of all,
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it isn't a race issue at all, because Hispanics are white. It's that simple. They are European.
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Yeah, they've been part of our country and part of our society, almost from the inception.
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But one of the things that I always like is to point out, if you go to the Alamo, you find out
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how many Mexicans were at the Alamo fighting against the Mexican government. Well, you know, a good
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chunk of this country is peopled by people of Mexican and Hispanic heritage and descent.
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It's just part of who we are. People forget this country was a melting pot before we had a bunch
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of left-wing idiots talking about multiculturalism and trying to divide everybody. Yeah, they've done
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a very good job because the right in this country is pathetic in its responses. Everyone's afraid that
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they're going to be called a name. I mean, we talk about the buttercups and daffodils on the left,
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but my gosh, we've got snowflakes in abundance on the right. I mean, I think of Paul Ryan.
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He was the Speaker of the House. I thought the man was going to break down in tears whenever he got
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into a contest. We've had leadership that is so pathetically weak, and I think cowardly in the
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Republican Party, that Donald Trump must have scared them to death. I don't know how many changes
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of apparel they had to make every day when they were in proximity to the man, but it had to be quite
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a few. Well, the left has been working hard for many, many decades to replace John Wayne with
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the tiny Tim who tiptoed through the tulips years ago. And I think they've had more success than we
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care to admit. But the thing about President Trump is he was very sensitive to this issue of
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national security and solvency. And we've lost touch with that completely. The right is now as
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anxious to spend heavily on defense for all sorts of dubious reasons, as is the left and vice versa.
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Right now, we've probably, I haven't added it all up, but a friend of mine who tries to keep tabs on
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the amounts of money that are being invested in equipment and support and training for Ukraine says
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that we've already spent the equivalent of the Russian national defense budget on Ukraine.
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Right. And that's, that's clearly insane. And the other part of this, of course, is when it comes
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to Ukraine, the question, again, President Trump raised the issue, we need a ceasefire. We need to
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find a way to negotiate an end of this. Well, of course, Ukraine has been destroyed. It's being
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destroyed largely because we have prevented, we, with the help of our friend Boris Johnson in London,
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have prevented, uh, the Ukrainian government for, from negotiating an end to this conflict with
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Moscow. And at this point, Moscow has no real incentive to pay much attention to it anymore.
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And the Ukrainians are, are there, there's their infrastructure is being obliterated. When you
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look at the, the buildings in Maripal, uh, the outskirts of Kiev, even, uh, Kyrgyz, uh, you name it,
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city after city that has been just devastated that the number of lives, we don't have an accurate,
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uh, casualty count from either side. But if, if what the Ukrainians are estimating about Russian
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losses in military, uh, it is, it's equivalent to just about half our losses in the course of a 10
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year Vietnam war. Uh, I, I, I have, I have a hard time believing it is that high, but nonetheless,
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that's the estimate. Well, talking to the people that I trust that know more about this, uh, who
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are more familiar with the region than I am. I mean, my background is really in, uh, is in Germany
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and German, uh, and, uh, uh, secondarily, I would say Russia. I did grow up with Ukrainians in North
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Philadelphia, and I learned enough Ukrainian to stay out of bar fights. But, uh, the bottom line is
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I think we have a, a, a very skewed picture of real events on the ground in Ukraine. Uh,
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uh, I'm hearing that for every one Russian casualty, there are at least four or five Ukrainian
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casualties and that that has been true for most of this. I mean, right now Ukrainians are, are either
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being killed or wounded in far, far greater numbers because again, from the very beginning,
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Ukrainian forces were unable to maneuver against the Russians. Uh, they never had the mobility
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or the fuel. And so as a result, they've moved into these towns and cities. Well, you can sit
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inside an urban area only so long. And as Napoleon Bonaparte said, the enemy that stays within its
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fortifications is beaten. And the trouble for the Ukrainians was that they lost this strategic
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initiative fairly early. And, uh, now they're simply sitting there taking a beating and there is
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nothing else that they can do at this point other than surrender. And again, if you won't negotiate,
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uh, the Russians have to continue pulverizing you out of existence. I mean, anyone who thinks that
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Mr. Putin and the Russians want to kill large numbers of Orthodox Christian Slavs who live in Ukraine
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is crazy. That was never the objective. The objective was to neutralize the place,
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keep it out of NATO and prevent us from establishing a beachhead in Eastern Ukraine,
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from which we could attack Russia, put missiles there that was in a space of a few minutes
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could destroy the nuclear deterrent that Russia depends on, just as we have a nuclear deterrent
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that we depend on. I, so again, in retrospect, I think we're going to discover all of this could
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have been avoided, but in the meantime, the destruction is horrendous. Yeah. And it will be
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decades before we recover. Well, it'll be decades early before Ukraine recovers.
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Yes. And, and NATO will have much to, to rationalize and atone for because what the Europeans have done
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in both reaching out to Ukraine to join NATO, uh, uh, infuriating Putin, uh, and at the same time
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going against standing us policy for decades, uh, NATO policy supported by the United States,
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uh, and now with Biden wanting to make side deals, uh, with, uh, with those countries that want to
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enter, whether it be, uh, Finland, Sweden, uh, whatever country, uh, this is just not an intelligent
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approach to resolving this conflict in the interest of the Ukrainians. Secondarily, secondarily,
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Zelensky is trying to involve the United States directly, irrespective of what anybody else says.
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The man is trying to get us involved in a wider war in Europe with Russia. And, and these idiots,
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and I'm, I, and I am using that expression advisedly in the military, in the U S military,
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and in U S intelligence, who are talking about our signals assistance and our intelligence assistance in
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the, and the sinking of, uh, the warships, Russian warships, uh, whether it is, uh, the javelin missiles
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and people keep, uh, you know, running off at the mouth about it, uh, is just sickening to witness.
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This is on the very least it's unprofessional and it's just stupid, uh, in straight talk.
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Well, the thing to keep in mind, Lou, and this is something most Americans may not realize,
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we talk about NATO, but in fact, NATO is Washington and whatever happens, uh, the Europeans have become
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accustomed over the last 30 or 40 years to simply get in line and march along. They do that because
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they're happy to effectively let us pay for their national defense. And if you don't have to pay for
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your national defense, which is largely true for all of them with very few exceptions, perhaps the French
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are an exception, but the rest simply don't spend much money on defense. Then you can put your money into
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other more productive things. Uh, and, uh, the Japanese have done that. The Germans have done that. Uh,
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so now all of a sudden in Europe, there is this growing feeling of, well, maybe we've made a mistake.
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And I say this because right now there's a lot of talk on the street about, oh, NATO will be with us for
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50 more years. It's stronger than ever. That's not true. If you look at the EU and NATO right now,
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the first thing they've already said is that we can't honor your embargo against Russian oil and
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gas and energy can't be done. If they do it, they'll have civil unrest in the streets. Their
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societies, which are already very fragile will fall apart. So I think you're going to see over the next
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month, uh, a growing consensus in Europe that this fighting in Ukraine absolutely must end. In other
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words, we're, we're giving a war and telling our European allies to show up for it. And with the
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possible exception of the polls and, and even in Poland, 60% of the electorate opposes conflict with
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Russia. It's only the government that is, uh, terribly bellicose. Uh, nobody wants this war.
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They want it to end. Nobody wants another seven or 8 million refugees pouring into their countries.
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Nobody wants the cuts in the standard of living. You've listened to, to Mr. Biden talk about,
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well, we have to be prepared to suffer. Well, nobody in Europe wants to suffer not on the scale
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they'll have to. So I think this whole thing is really very destructive. I think it's tearing us
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apart. It's, it's certainly putting a strain. When you talk about Poland, if I put it this way,
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if the United States loses Poland, uh, we're, we haven't got a way to, to win in Europe because
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the polls are as aligned with us policy as anyone in Europe, uh, can be, uh, with the possible
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exception of the UK. I would you agree? Yeah. I think that the problem with Poland and all the
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small countries in Eastern Europe is that everybody wants to essentially drag us into any conflict that
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they fight with their neighbors. And this is the problem with expanding NATO. If Eisenhower was
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trying to essentially neutralize as many states in Europe as he could, because he said, look, we can't
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afford, nor can we maintain the armed forces required to defend all of these countries. So the more
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countries we can turn into Austria or Finland, the better. Well, he was right. We've done the opposite
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and we've created this, uh, enormous expense for ourselves. And we've also essentially said, sure,
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you will back you and whatever you want to do. Well, that's insane. We're not interested in
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reconstituting the kingdom of Poland or the Polish Lithuanian empire. Uh, we have no interest in that.
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And yet those are the things that are in the backs of people's minds in Eastern Europe.
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We forget that these people have been there for a long time. They all,
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they all have their petty grievances. We're not about petty grievances. We should be about peace.
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And NATO's real mission after the fall of the Soviet Union was essentially to prevent the outbreak of
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another war in Europe. We've taken it in the opposite direction. Well, our puppet president was down
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looking at a, uh, a facility in Alabama bragging about all the equipment that they were producing for
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the war against Russia in Ukraine, uh, talking specifically about lucky, uh, Martin and, uh,
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the javelin missile, which has been the, just a superior anti-tank weapon, uh, and very effective
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for the Ukrainians and very helpful, but he is parading around. Like he thinks he's, uh, FDR and it's 1943.
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Uh, it is madness what this man, what we have in the white house is an impaired individual who should
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not first of all, be out of, uh, in my opinion, uh, too far from the, from the home where he's given
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great care and attention. Uh, he is the president of the United States and I have never seen greater
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danger, uh, as a result of the person who sits in the oval office. Well, you know, from experience
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that, uh, the neocons are always trying to turn every event into another manifestation of what
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happened in the 1930s leading up to the second world war, uh, they pick anything you want, whether
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it's Iraq or, uh, Afghanistan or anywhere else, you inevitably come up against this crazy Hitler
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narrative that isn't imposed on it. And so this is what you're, you're hearing once again,
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in Eastern Europe, it's nonsense. This is 2022. This is not 1939 or 40 or 41. And, uh, we are not
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in the position to squander resources on some sort of crusade in Eastern Europe designed to replace the,
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the current president. And I can tell you that from everything I'm seeing Putin's approval ratings
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and his standing in Russia are better now than ever. They're in the high eighties in terms of
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percentage. And anybody who thinks we can, if we can believe those polls, if we can believe those
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polls. Yeah. And anybody who thinks there's going to be a coup over there is crazy. Anybody who tried
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to do it, it would be an act of suicide. So that that's not true. The other thing is that we're
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hearing a lot of things about this war, uh, and we really don't know the truth. I keep urging people
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before you assume everything you hear is true, this weapon worked, that weapon didn't, and so forth.
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Let, you're going to have to wait and sort this out in the future because in 1973, the,
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everybody thought that the, uh, anti-tank guided missile was the ATGM was the weapon of the future
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because it had destroyed 270 Israeli tanks. Well, they eventually did the research and found out that
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of the 270 tanks, 200 were actually damaged by anti-tank guns, not ATGMs. Right.
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So we, we, we go through this periodically. We have to, we have to be a little careful. And
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unfortunately though, as you know, the mainstream media loves this war and would much prefer to
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talk about it than it does to talk about the criminality in our cities, the drugs and human
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trafficking moving north out of Mexico. Those things aren't interesting to the mainstream media,
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nor is it interesting to most of our politicians. I would wager if we have lost more people,
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more Americans to drug overdose deaths, primarily because of fentanyl, than have been killed,
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uh, than Ukrainians have been killed in this war by Russia. Uh, it's, and we avert our eyes.
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We have more, we have a border that is wide open. This administration, the democratic party,
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the Marxist democratic party are pro cartel. They're pro sex trafficking. They're pro drug smuggling.
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They're pro human smuggling, and they are pro, uh, uh, illegal immigrant at the expense of American
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citizens. And we don't even know where they're being distributed around the country. This is the most
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arrogant autocratic authoritarian government in American history. And it is, it should not stand.
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There should be a reaction, but instead we have a national corporatist media that is, uh, found
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something to play with in Ukraine. And that's exactly what they're doing with it. It's staged,
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uh, for, it should be, uh, considered as a staged event where everybody can put their
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correspondents, put their field producers and, uh, you know, report on the latest, uh,
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bombing run by the bombardment by the, by the Russians. And it goes on and on and on.
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And as you say, without a single overture from this president about peace,
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the secretary of state, the national security advisors, they're complete
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dolts. And I have no idea why in the world they are representing the interests of the United States,
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because they are abject fools. Well, in 1975, you remember everybody in Washington was chanting,
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no more Vietnams. Then, uh, in the aftermath of, uh, events in Iraq and Afghanistan, people began
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chanting, no more Iraqs and no more Afghanistans. Well, now you would think people would stand up and
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say, we need to bring an end to this war in Ukraine that could conceivably spread and engulf all of,
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of Western civilization. And instead you're getting the opposite. Uh, and you got to ask why,
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especially you pointed out fentanyl. I think our estimates are that last year, a hundred thousand
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Americans died as a result of just fentanyl. We, we don't even bother to talk about the rest of it
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anymore. And we don't even talk about how drug related violence kills people on a routine basis.
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It's a, it's, uh, obviously the answer is always the same Lou follow the money. And I guess the,
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the money just is not in protecting the United States and its borders.
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Well, it's, it's certainly not in the, uh, the interest of the Marxist left party. Well,
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I should say it this way. It's not in the interest of the Marxist left puppeteers who are running, uh,
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this puppet, uh, president, no one in their right mind thinks this man is in charge. Uh, I, I define,
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you know, there will be a group of people in modern America who probably do believe that he's in charge,
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but the overwhelming majority understand what they see and, uh, comprehend what he is, uh, and how just,
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uh, just viciously dangerous this is to put that man in that position as, as leader of the free world.
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Uh, I, I can't even begin to, to, at this point, understand why we know more,
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or at least allegedly know more about Putin's health than we do that of president, of president
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Biden. We're there's a story. It seems like every day about cancer rumors. He's getting, uh,
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he's going to the hospital to get an operation. He's also got Parkinson's disease. I have no idea
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about, uh, whether or not president Biden's ever caught a cold since he took office. I mean,
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there's a wall of silence around him. That's extraordinary. Don't you find that strange?
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Uh, well, a short answer is I didn't vote for this guy. Uh, so I, well, what, what can you say? I mean,
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I don't think anybody, uh, is going to claim that we've had 16 months or 17 months of, uh,
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extraordinary achievement under, under president Biden. Look at the, look at the markets,
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look at the, uh, do I have a condition of the country? Yeah. I mean, you know, these things
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better than I do. So I, I, I don't know, except to say we are standing on the edge of the abyss.
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And I think more and more Americans realize it. I don't think people in Washington do I'm
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in Washington frequently. And I've got to tell you, it's very much a bubble. People who live there
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are really divorced from the rest of the country. Right. So if you try to tell them what's happening
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in Iowa or West Virginia or Mississippi, they sort of look at you and, and you, you begin to wonder
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whether or not they even care. And, you know, it's hard to believe that they do. And that was one of the
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things that did appeal to me about president Trump is that he very much did care, but he was always
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fighting this enormous tidal wave of disinterest in the American people. It's, it's, uh, disinterest
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in by the globalist elites. Yes, it is. This globalist impulse that is driving Europe, Ukraine,
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and a good part of America, but certainly this administration, people forget that our elites
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in this country, and I don't care whether we're talking about the Republican party or the
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Democratic party and their alliance with corporate, corporatism, globalism. The reality is that we have
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elites in this country who have no regard for the national interest or for the, the, the American
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people. Otherwise we wouldn't see, uh, the treatment of our middle-class working men and women and their
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families, uh, that we're witnessing schools are just being public education, which is a great equalizer
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in our society, American society. They've been dismissed by the teachers unions. They are now
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just a workplace, uh, for unionized teachers. Uh, and in many cases, if you're talking about the
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NEA, the superintendents and principals and administration, it is a war on America and it
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is that straightforward and it originates with the Marxist left who's taken over the Democratic party.
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Yeah. And unfortunately he's getting a lot of help from the, uh, faux right. Uh, the progressives
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are not alone in this. I mean, if you look across the aisle, who there stands up and really addresses
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these issues. I mean, you'll, you'll find an exceptional person like Chip Roy from Texas who
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does. There are a few occasionally Rand Paul is another, but for the most part, the so-called
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Republicans are a huge disappointment and 40 of them signed a letter. Think about this 40 U S senators,
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all Republicans signed a letter calling for the no fly zone, knowing, knowing that it was a red line
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for Vladimir Putin for war. That's how ignorant the right is now compound that by a factor of two or
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three and you get the left. Uh, but the result is for the American people, this is the time to be
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deeply concerned about the quality of our representation. The so-called public servants
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are serving, not the, not the United States. Uh, they're, sir. They're serving some sort of mindless,
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uh, objective that is fantastical, uh, instead of patriotic. Yeah. Well, I, I think, uh, the solution,
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at least in part is to put an amendment into the constitution. Of course, that's a waste of time.
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Nobody pays attention to the constitution, I suppose, but nevertheless, put an amendment in
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there that says that anyone who votes for the use of force against anybody having done so once the
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bill passed, in other words, once we get an authorization for the use of military force or
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a declaration of war, that individual must immediately resign his or her seat and be assigned
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to duty in the United States army with combat troops who will be in the, in the line of fire as
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soon as possible. Uh, I love it. Uh, and that's exactly what I, you know, I want to see. I want
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to see Lindsey Graham and Mitt Rob. Well, talk about fugitives from accountability. You've just
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identified two of the most famous. Well, you, you've come up with a terrific idea, which we endorse,
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and we're going to, uh, we'll proselytize, uh, Doug McGregor. We always give our guests the last word.
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And if you will, please, your concluding thoughts. Uh, I would ask everyone, uh, who is concerned
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about the future of the country, uh, to, uh, take the trouble to contact their congressman or senator
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and make it abundantly clear that under no circumstances, will you support the authorization
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for the use of military force against the Russians in Ukraine? Because as I'm sure you're aware,
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this man Kinzinger, who is not running for reelection incidentally, uh, has put forward
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a proposal for an authorization for the use of military force to, uh, the president, especially
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on, for the use of nuclear weapons into the alleged, uh, use of nuclear biological or chemical weapons
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by the Russians. And I say alleged because I see no evidence for it, but it's the sort of thing that
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becomes a trigger that can be, uh, automatically employed to entangle us in a fight, in a war,
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in a place that very few people in the United States can find on the map. And that is not our issue.
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Well said. And, uh, I concur. And by the way, uh, you know, the, the sad thing is if they're Russians
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do have an advantage, uh, in a conflict with the United States is that Putin, whatever else you want
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to say about him, he believes in his country and he believes in nationalism and, uh, is focused
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narrowly on their, on their, uh, interest. Our leaders, we can't say the same. Doug McGregor,
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great American, great patriot. We thank you for being with us here on the great America show.
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Thank you, Lou. Thank you. God bless. Thanks everybody for being with us. And please join us
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tomorrow when our guest will be judicial watches. Chris Farrell will be taking up the collusion of the
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Marxist left Dems, this puppet president, wall street, and the globalist elites of the business
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establishment. And of course the corporatist media, all working together to import millions of illegal
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immigrants and keep our Southern border wide and open at great risk and danger to the United States.
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Please be with us here tomorrow on the great America show till then. God bless you and God bless America.