The Great America Show - February 22, 2022


CHANG SAYS BIDEN MAKING OBAMA MISTAKES; TUBERVILLE WARNS BIDEN THREATENS WORLD


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1 hour and 4 minutes

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154.4211

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9,972

Sentence Count

630

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

38


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Transcript

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,
00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
00:00:09.220 And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
00:00:14.380 Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Great America Show. Delighted to have you with us
00:00:18.800 and grateful for the time you spend with us. Many of us spent some time over our weekends
00:00:24.560 watching, reading, listening to primarily corporate media for the latest news or even
00:00:30.680 propaganda coming out of Ukraine or out of Germany from the Munich Security Conference.
00:00:36.840 The Munich Conference is an annual affair usually well-attended by important or just self-important
00:00:43.280 government officials and leaders. With Russia threatening to invade Ukraine, the conference
00:00:48.820 was well-timed, to say the least, and featured speeches by Ukraine President Vladimir Zelensky
00:00:56.920 and U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris. Zelensky used his speech to gently skewer the feckless
00:01:04.220 Europeans and the United States for their illogic in refusing to sanction Russia for even the threat
00:01:12.080 of invading his country, waiting instead until after the invasion of it does indeed take place
00:01:19.720 to sanction Russia. Zelensky implored the West to do more. He alone seemed to understand full well
00:01:27.920 the only effective deterrent against totalitarian nations and their leaders is force, raising the
00:01:35.220 price of pursuing their ambitions and aggression to unacceptably painful and costly
00:01:41.960 levels. It was clear to all that Europe has no appetite to respond meaningfully to
00:01:47.840 Putin, with the exception of Vice President Harris, who took the stage to declare her
00:01:54.080 confidence that the U.S. sanctions would work, would actually stop Putin from invading
00:02:00.000 Ukraine. The audience was stunned after she and Biden had declared previously that Putin's
00:02:08.460 invasion is imminent. The audience, still stunned, but now cringing at yet another display of the
00:02:16.220 Vice President's inexperience, lack of knowledge, or worse. Meanwhile, with the Russian invasion
00:02:22.800 forces now only a few miles from the Ukraine border, we hear from the White House that President
00:02:28.300 Biden has agreed, in principle only, mind you, to meet with Vladimir Putin at a summit with French
00:02:35.440 President Macron. There is a catch, however. President Biden will meet with Putin only if he hasn't invaded
00:02:44.260 Ukraine by Thursday. I've heard a lot of interesting conditions preceded in my career, but I have to tell
00:02:53.240 you, this is one of the most absurd. A peace summit, but only if there isn't war. Quite remarkable by any
00:03:02.260 standard. Against that backdrop, the Communist Chinese announced they will buy 100 million metric tons of
00:03:09.080 Russian coal, that they will be a fully supportive partner in their new strategic alliance with Russia,
00:03:15.840 announced in just the first few days of the Beijing Olympics. Russia and China, a formidable bloc, a formidable
00:03:23.780 foe geopolitically and militarily. With us now, one of the brightest geopolitical analysts, I think the preeminent
00:03:31.320 national security analyst, Gordon Chang. A great American, and we appreciate, Gordon, you being with us
00:03:37.480 to go through all that is swirling in Moscow and Kiev and Beijing and Washington. Hello, Gordon.
00:03:46.580 Hello, Lou, and thank you so much.
00:03:49.300 Well, it's great of you to take time to be with us, and we have much to talk about. Let's start first with
00:03:54.340 the White House offer in principle, mind you, in principle only, to meet with Putin and French
00:04:03.720 President Macron at a peace summit to be held Thursday, ostensibly at least. What do you make
00:04:11.860 of it? And the immediate response from the Kremlin saying that they, as of this moment, there is no
00:04:17.700 such plan. What is going on? Yeah, I don't know, Lou, but when I first heard of this, I thought of
00:04:24.840 Munich in 1938, when you had Neville Chamberlain going to the Third Reich to talk to Herr Hitler.
00:04:33.240 There's a whiff of, maybe even a stench of appeasement here. I think that the President of the United
00:04:40.300 States knows enough. He's talked to Putin enough. They had their video conference just a few days ago.
00:04:46.440 I think at this point, it's important for the United States to state its position and to impose
00:04:52.160 those sanctions that it has been talking about. Because, you know, when Biden says that an invasion
00:04:58.420 will occur, then it means that we need to put the sanctions on. We don't need to wait after people
00:05:05.300 are being killed. And so, therefore, I think that essentially the Biden team has got things
00:05:10.480 backwards, and there are going to be horrible consequences for this misguided approach
00:05:16.240 to Putin. When Zelensky, President Zelensky of Ukraine, stands before the Munich Security
00:05:23.740 Conference and basically calls out, not basically, he did, he called everyone out, the United States,
00:05:30.800 Europe, NATO, and said, what are you doing? I need sanctions now, not after, you know, we are,
00:05:37.320 you know, a devastated heap of brick and smoldering wood across Ukraine. He makes all the sense in the
00:05:47.340 world. And frankly, the powers, NATO, the European Union, and the United States look like absolute fools.
00:05:56.160 Yes. And you got to remember that there's something called the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994
00:06:04.380 by the United States, Russia, Great Britain, and Ukraine, in which all of us agreed not to violate
00:06:12.680 Ukraine's borders. Well, Russia's already done that. In 2014, during the Obama administration,
00:06:18.600 when someone named Biden was vice president, Putin annexed Crimea from Ukraine. He also took Donbass,
00:06:26.320 the eastern portion of Ukraine. And that's a violation of the Budapest Memorandum. When we
00:06:32.640 signed that, and we got substantial benefits by signing it, Lou, because we got Ukraine to give up
00:06:38.240 its nuclear arsenal. The United States gave assurances to Ukraine that we would impose costs
00:06:44.480 on Russia, and we would prevent the Russians from dismembering Ukraine. Now, this already occurred.
00:06:50.960 This is not just like 2022 is the first event in history. And so Biden needs to remember that the
00:06:57.680 United States made a solemn commitment. This solemn commitment resulted in great benefits for the
00:07:02.920 United States. And it's now our part to keep our word. Yes, and we're only eight years tardy
00:07:11.640 in doing so. Because the Obama administration, whether it is the Budapest Memorandum, whether it
00:07:20.860 is the Monroe Doctrine, they effectively made all of those inoperable, because they didn't in any way
00:07:29.040 adhere to the agreements or to the traditions of U.S. influence and its traditional role in European
00:07:40.580 security. They sound fatuous at these conferences. They look silly as they jet about doing some
00:07:49.800 version of shuttle. I don't know if you'd call it shuttle diplomacy or if it's just simply they're
00:07:55.120 all jet lagged and don't know where their next destination is. Putin, meanwhile, sits at the Kremlin
00:08:02.100 and the long table and waves, you know, at his troops that are now ready to go in, you know,
00:08:12.580 full steam ahead. I just cannot understand why the United States has been so meek, the Europeans so
00:08:19.600 effete. And because they've done this before and you and you refer to it. 1938, 1939.
00:08:27.800 1989. Appeasement, appeasement, appeasement. You just don't do that in response to totalitarian
00:08:35.740 demands or aggressions.
00:08:38.180 Yes. And we got to remember that Biden actually talked to Putin last year. And after that,
00:08:44.600 the United States started to slow walk a number of security measures, some of them involving Ukraine.
00:08:50.420 And that, I think, signaled to Putin that the Biden administration was not going to effectively
00:08:55.880 oppose him. What's occurred is that if you look back at the Trump administration, there were many
00:09:02.860 critics of Trump-Russia policy. But as we looked at this in context, what we see is that President
00:09:10.640 Trump kept the peace. He kept everyone out of war. He deterred Vladimir Putin. What we are seeing now,
00:09:18.900 according to the Biden administration, which says that Russia will invade, is the complete failure
00:09:24.000 of deterrence in the Biden term. And this is very, very much reminiscent of Obama policies toward Putin.
00:09:33.920 So we've got an approach that is now being used by the White House, which hasn't worked. And I think
00:09:40.280 they need to go back to the Trump playbook to see what can. Though, of course, at this point,
00:09:45.680 it's a very late date. And I think a spiral has occurred. And that spiral will involve not just
00:09:51.900 conflict in Eastern Europe, but the Chinese are looking at this very closely. And I think that
00:09:57.740 they are going to become even more aggressive and provocative along their Southern and Eastern
00:10:02.480 peripheries.
00:10:03.280 I'm going to approach this, if I may, with just a question that's the inverse of what everyone at
00:10:13.400 Munich were talking about. Where does Putin stop if he does invade Ukraine? Because I don't see any
00:10:24.560 reason for him to stop. Quite literally, all of Europe is before him and within his grasp if he is not
00:10:32.400 met on the borders of Ukraine. Absolutely right. You know, we go back to 2008. And George W. Bush allowed
00:10:43.620 Putin to break apart Georgia. That was a lesson that Putin took when he then broke apart Ukraine in
00:10:49.920 2014. It's clear that if Putin takes Ukraine, he's not going to stop. He wants the Baltics. He's been
00:10:57.920 very clear about that. The three Baltic republics are part of NATO. And that sets up a conflict with
00:11:04.380 the United States because of our obligations to guarantee the sovereignty and the borders
00:11:09.460 of all NATO states. So you're absolutely right. Putin looks at his near abroad, as he calls it,
00:11:17.120 and he could move all the way to the Atlantic. I don't think that he would do that. But nonetheless,
00:11:23.220 there have been a lot of events recently in Europe that I thought were incomprehensible just a couple
00:11:28.560 months ago. And what has been incomprehensible has now turned probable.
00:11:34.440 I've been talking about what is a de facto annexation that is already in place. And I will tell you,
00:11:41.780 I remain skeptical that Putin will go in to Ukraine. But you have to take the man at his word. That is his
00:11:51.420 obvious intent. But right now, with 30,000-plus Russian troops in Belarus, with brigades in Moldova,
00:12:03.740 we're looking at an encirclement here that is all but complete. It's certainly complete on Ukraine's
00:12:12.140 easternmost borders. What in the world has been had the NATO alliance or President Biden recently bragging
00:12:22.000 recently, Friday's news conference, if that's what it was, saying basically that, you know,
00:12:30.140 whatever you want, you can have, because we're just not going to play this time. I mean, he bragged
00:12:39.040 about the, I think he put it, significant intelligence capability, which is how he knew
00:12:45.200 there was an imminent invasion, and spoke of it endlessly last week, and it continues this week.
00:12:52.260 What in the world, a significant intelligence capability would have had this country on its
00:12:59.480 forward feet to deal with it years ago? Where has the intelligence community been?
00:13:06.740 Yes. And to that question, we should ask, where was the intel community on Afghanistan?
00:13:14.000 Clearly, the Biden team did not think Afghanistan would collapse in such a short period. And there
00:13:21.420 also was not only a failure of intelligence, but it was also a failure of the Biden team to understand
00:13:28.380 intelligence, to look at the situation, and of course, to put this in the context of history.
00:13:33.300 That failure has emboldened the Chinese. And we don't have to speculate, Lou, because we see what
00:13:39.480 China said as Afghanistan was falling. And we can see what Putin is doing right now, which I think is
00:13:45.780 a direct result of the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. So we have a foreign policy, which
00:13:52.140 is in collapse. And Americans got to understand, this is not something that is happening in just Europe,
00:13:58.900 because if Putin invades, and when Biden then imposes the sanctions, it's clear that Putin is
00:14:07.280 going to again, cyber attack the United States. And Neuberger, the direct, the deputy national security
00:14:14.120 advisor was talking about this about three or four days ago. And even in peace times, the Russians hacked
00:14:20.080 the colonial pipeline. This time, they'll probably go after the grid. This gets serious. And by the way,
00:14:27.920 hey, Lou, Russia at this moment is involved in a nuclear weapons exercise. So it's clear that that's
00:14:35.120 a message not only to Ukraine, not only to NATO, but to the United States and the international
00:14:40.700 community. No scenarios can be kept off the table at this time.
00:14:46.020 And do you know what should be very clear to Putin? That he is conducting nuclear exercises. And that
00:14:51.640 includes the launch of missiles. And I assume there will be a hypersonic missile launch, just as he did
00:14:58.900 last year. Within that, he's sent aircraft with hypersonic missiles through the Mediterranean,
00:15:09.080 the skies over the Mediterranean, to display his power. But what is, to me, formidably
00:15:17.380 very present, is that the United States did not take our nuclear defenses to any higher level of
00:15:26.480 alert. There's no DEFCON increase here to suggest that we're taking them seriously. None by the
00:15:36.820 Europeans. This is really troubling that he can get this far with his aggressive moves and with his
00:15:44.260 obvious stated ambitions. Again, I see no limit to what the man is doing right now, because we have
00:15:53.580 a weak, a feeble leader who is so far out of his depth and capacity, physically and mentally,
00:16:03.200 that I am dreading the possibilities.
00:16:08.880 Yeah. Remember when Putin, I'm sorry, when Biden went to Europe for his trip, attending various
00:16:17.800 conferences, he landed at an RAF base in England, and talked about how climate change was the world's
00:16:25.720 number one national security threat. This is a person who just does not understand the world. And I
00:16:32.900 absolutely agree with you, the United States should be taking its military forces around the world to
00:16:38.520 higher levels of readiness. Because at this particular time, it's not just the problems in
00:16:44.120 Europe, but we can also see problems in Asia, which means that we are now at the stage where we have to
00:16:50.760 deter not just an invasion of Ukraine, but the start of global conflict.
00:16:55.660 So what are we to make of the de facto annexation of Belarus, Estonia, Lithuania, are right there for
00:17:05.100 all Putin has to do is just simply reach out in there. It is, again, a de facto annexation.
00:17:12.600 Moldova, the same situation, Russian troops present, they're not leaving. This is without question,
00:17:19.820 an expansion, a westward expansion of Russia, an extension of its borders, and there is no limit
00:17:28.320 right now. What is the United States to do? The first thing is that as President Biden has talked
00:17:36.000 about a series of sanctions, if there were an invasion, those sanctions should be put in place
00:17:41.340 immediately. Biden himself said that Putin has made the decision to invade. Well, if that's the way the
00:17:48.600 president feels, then why are we waiting to impose a sanction? So that's the first thing.
00:17:54.960 I think Zelensky had that right about if you're going to do it. What I think he has wrong and what
00:18:01.820 I think Biden has wrong, and indeed the European Union, along with the United States, sanctions do
00:18:10.360 not hurt Vladimir Putin. Sanctions do not deter Vladimir Putin. And the alliance that has been
00:18:17.780 created between China and Russia means that no matter what the United States does, Russia will have
00:18:25.320 access to financial markets, to commercial banking, to all of the natural resources they need, 100
00:18:33.100 million metric tons of coal. They're already buying huge amounts of coal from Russia. It goes on.
00:18:41.940 And if Russia needs financing, who better to go to than the Chinese? This idea of sanctions is so
00:18:51.040 outmoded, so ineffective that it's impossible for us to think that this will in any way be a replacement or
00:19:05.680 supersede the need for force, because it just will not. Yeah, I agree with you. Sanctions are part of
00:19:14.320 an integrated program. And also, we've never imposed... Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Let me interrupt.
00:19:21.240 Integrated with what? This administration can't carry more than one idea at a time in its portfolio
00:19:28.580 that it, when it goes into a diplomatic meeting. But this is a hapless group, and we've got to be
00:19:35.960 honest about it. And the threats, the geopolitical threats, I think, Gordon, make it all the more
00:19:41.060 important that we be candid, we be honest, we be straightforward about our limitations, our
00:19:45.280 inability, our incapacities, as well as our capacities. Yeah. The second part of that would be,
00:19:53.600 as you were talking about, is going after China, because China's made it very clear that they are
00:19:58.840 supporting Putin. Matter of fact, Putin got a big green light on February 4th, when he met with Xi
00:20:04.240 Jinping just before the opening ceremony of the Olympics, and where they issued that very long
00:20:10.380 communique, which made it clear that they had what they called a no-limits partnership, where no area
00:20:16.460 of cooperation was forbidden, was stronger than an alliance. But more important, Putin announced 117,
00:20:23.600 0.5 billion dollars in oil and gas sales to China. And when you now add, as you just talked about,
00:20:31.060 the 100 million metric tons of coal, in addition to all their existing economic relations, we have to
00:20:38.160 understand that we're facing not just Russia, we are facing a block of Russia and China. For our own
00:20:45.200 reasons, because of what China is doing to attack the United States, we should be cutting our economic
00:20:50.100 ties with China. We should be cutting our technical cooperation, investment, and all the rest of it,
00:20:56.160 because China is trying to destroy the United States, which of course is another conversation.
00:21:01.820 But the point is, as you say, the Biden team needs to see this in the broader context of a Russia and
00:21:08.580 China partnership that is intending to end peace and stability as we know it, to get rid of the
00:21:15.900 Westphalian international order and replace it with their rule. And that means this is going to be a
00:21:21.840 world which resembles the dark ages. We cannot permit that, and the Biden team doesn't see the challenge.
00:21:28.460 Yeah. Well, going back to 400 to 600 AD is unacceptable for the United States, and it should be for all of our
00:21:39.100 allies. The dark ages you speak of are already, I mean, we're seeing a dimming of the light in this
00:21:48.560 country and Canada. We're seeing totalitarian assert itself in world leaders, whether they're in the
00:21:56.480 European Union, whether it's Prime Minister Trudeau in Canada, or President Biden in the United States
00:22:04.000 and his administration that is so committed to Marxist initiatives and policies. We have to
00:22:12.740 understand that we have a significant threat within this country right now, the presence of communist
00:22:20.840 Chinese front companies, agents, and in our universities to our very government. And we've got
00:22:29.460 to deal with that reality. And there seems to be this insistence on denial that could be fatal to this
00:22:37.880 country. And in addition to all that, Lou, we've got the self-hatred, which is being promoted by
00:22:45.580 President Biden. On his first day in office, he issued his executive order on xenophobia,
00:22:51.260 which is, and he's done, issued similar orders, and authorized similar acts since then, which is,
00:23:02.120 to me, you can't hate the country that you are elected to lead. And that is exactly what Biden is
00:23:10.660 doing. And he is not defending ourselves from the Chinese. China has made it very clear that they
00:23:18.680 intend to overthrow the government of the United States. And Biden is not willing to see that.
00:23:24.620 And so therefore, he's not willing to take the measures that are necessary to protect the American
00:23:28.680 Republic. His first obligation as president, it's over all others, is to defend the United States
00:23:35.640 from foreign attack. And Biden has decided not to do that. If he doesn't want to do that, that's fine.
00:23:41.460 But he shouldn't be in the Oval Office. If he's going to stay in the Oval Office, he needs to defend
00:23:46.340 America. He's not been doing that. And he's been doing it, it's very clear now, with your analysis,
00:23:55.060 the reporting of a host of terrific authors, Peter Schweizer, I think, chief among them,
00:24:03.940 talking about the money that the Biden families receive from Chinese interests, the association
00:24:09.600 with top Chinese intelligence officers, and of course, his good friend, President Xi,
00:24:16.820 President Biden's good friend. It is deeply troubling. And to watch the relationship between
00:24:21.920 Wall Street, where you see almost daily, the invitation and promotion by Wall Street firms
00:24:28.760 to send your investment dollars to China, for crying out loud. Each company aligned with,
00:24:37.500 if not a part of the PLA and the Chinese government. It is ridiculous, the level of
00:24:46.540 just denial in this country about what is happening before our very eyes.
00:24:53.060 Absolutely. What we see is, for instance, Ray Dalio, prominent hedge fund investor,
00:24:59.500 talk up China, say that the United States is finished. These are the leading voices on Wall Street
00:25:06.060 right now. And he's by no means the only one. We see in the financial community, people like Charlie
00:25:12.240 Munger saying what great things the Communist Party has been doing. This is just wrong. And the American
00:25:18.660 people understand this. We have an election coming up in November, which is critical, because we could
00:25:24.140 lose our country. And we've got an election coming up in 2024. We've got to take back our country from
00:25:30.740 elements here who have been totally corrupted by Communist China. And by the way, since we're
00:25:37.380 talking about Hunter Biden and the great work that Peter Schweitzer has been doing, let's remember that
00:25:42.980 Hunter Biden, by his own admission, is a troubled individual. He's been on Chinese soil. And if he's
00:25:49.320 ever engaged in a compromising act, China's Ministry of State Security will have evidence of that. And the thing
00:25:56.500 that I'm concerned about most, Lou, is that China will use blackmail against the President of the United
00:26:04.180 States relating to the conduct of his son. And that we may never know about. So it is not just the money
00:26:11.120 trail. It's also what Hunter Biden probably did inside China. It's interesting, too, that the Democratic Party
00:26:20.200 has not taken responsibility or own ownership of of the Biden presidency, because to put forward such a
00:26:29.840 weak and tired and for all I know, ill person. He is a man of no energy. He is a man incapable of
00:26:40.260 finishing sentences. He is a man incapable of a demanding schedule. And we are now facing a
00:26:49.480 severe test, I believe, for this country. And we have a, you know, Donald Rumsfeld used to say,
00:26:55.760 you go to war with the army you have, not the one you necessarily want. The same can be said of
00:27:02.920 commanders in chief. Certainly, this is not the commander in chief that I would choose if we are
00:27:08.900 to go to war. And frankly, the generals and the admirals of the Pentagon, I mean, they are such
00:27:14.320 colossal failures and inept bureaucrats before they are warriors. It's we are in a terrible, terrible state
00:27:23.780 in this country. And it's because we continue to refuse to see what's before us. Milley, the chairman of
00:27:33.100 the Joint Chiefs of Staff, going to China, calling China up his counterparts to say, you know, President
00:27:42.120 Trump just might launch an attack. But if but if he does, you'll be the first I call said the chief
00:27:49.480 military advisor to the President of the United States. And there is no consequence except other
00:27:55.720 than for him to also now be the chief advisor to Joe Biden. Your thoughts? Yeah, what General Milley did
00:28:03.660 was treasonous. Remember, it's it's also we've got a Constitution, which if someone like Milley believes that
00:28:12.120 the President of the United States is not capable of serving as commander in chief, there's a constitutional
00:28:17.440 provision. Milley decided that he was going to abrogate the Constitution. Also, what Milley did, I think, apart
00:28:25.320 from the constitutional issues and apart from the treason of all of this, it was extremely ill advised
00:28:32.000 because I think that it hurt the United States with regard to China, because Milley did not
00:28:38.660 understand the effect of his words on China, which is a whole nother conversation. But obviously, that's
00:28:44.980 a minor issue in comparison to the constitutional issues that Milley's conduct raised. And he should not
00:28:51.240 be serving as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. And by the way, Lou, while we're on that topic,
00:28:56.980 we do have a military which now is not effective. It is now we've seen what Biden has done to
00:29:04.500 undermine our ability to wage wars. This is a serious issue. We don't have the military that we did four
00:29:11.980 years ago. Yeah, the only person I've seen be held accountable for anything was the Marine Lieutenant
00:29:18.760 colonel who wanted accountability on the part of his superiors for the disaster that was Afghanistan.
00:29:25.000 We have seen no one held to account. We've seen the Army produce a report that laid the blame
00:29:32.280 squarely on a White House that was indecisive and contradictory in its orders and requests of the
00:29:41.780 military in that surrender. I call it a surrender because it was more surrender than withdrawal.
00:29:48.120 And they they couldn't even get that right. So we are in we're in one heck of a position
00:29:56.120 historically. I don't know that there's ever been a point in the United States in U.S. history,
00:30:01.740 in modern U.S. history, in which our military, our civilian leadership has been more suspect in terms
00:30:08.740 of its capacity, its intelligence, its commitment to this nation. And it's straightforwardly there again,
00:30:16.440 staring us straight in the face and our politicians are not responding to it because they are part of
00:30:23.100 the same malaise that grips the civilian and military leadership in this country.
00:30:31.400 Absolutely, Lou. You know, people used to say or still say that Biden's the worst president in U.S.
00:30:38.300 history. And I always said, oh, no, no, you don't know. James Buchanan is definitely the worst.
00:30:44.200 I'm starting to change my view about that. I think Biden is actually worse than James Buchanan
00:30:48.600 because this is someone at least James Buchanan loved the United States.
00:30:55.460 I'm not sure about Biden and the way that he has acted and the way that he has governed.
00:31:01.400 It is just indescribable.
00:31:05.920 It truly is. I want to turn very quickly to what should be our response to the Chinese as part of
00:31:15.500 the axis between Moscow and Beijing. What should be our posture, our reaction? And why don't we have
00:31:26.420 a doctrine that is publicly available so that we know what our military will do given certain
00:31:33.420 specific threats? Because it's the first time that I know of that we have a seriously
00:31:38.980 challenged military. You have to go back to the era of the Soviet Union to find anything approaching
00:31:48.280 this level of threat. And yet we knew what the doctrine was, whether it be nuclear, whether it
00:31:55.340 be conventional weapons, we know nothing about what the military is planning, our national
00:32:02.260 security apparatus, what it's planning and thinking.
00:32:06.560 My context for all of this is that apart from Ukraine and apart from China's relations with
00:32:13.280 Moscow, the United States needs to end trade, end investment, and end technical cooperation
00:32:20.400 with China for reasons that China has been attacking the United States. And that it's been
00:32:25.940 attacking with coronavirus, with fentanyl, with the theft of our intellectual property across the
00:32:31.920 board. But just in the context of Ukraine, I believe that the president of the United States
00:32:38.200 must state publicly that it will hold China accountable the same way it holds Russia accountable
00:32:44.620 for whatever Russia does in Eastern Europe. China has made it very clear that they're backing
00:32:50.260 Putin to the hilt. They are not only rhetorically, but also we see, of course, with these oil and gas
00:32:58.020 and coal deals, it's time for the United States to make that plain in public that we do hold China
00:33:06.200 accountable for Russia's actions. I think that to hold China accountable for Russia's actions, we first have
00:33:15.420 to hold China accountable for its actions. Remember, five million people have been killed by the China
00:33:22.260 virus. We have governments all over the world who refuse to call it a China virus or the Wuhan virus, although
00:33:30.100 they know full well that's where it originated. They also know full well that President Xi, as you and I have
00:33:36.120 discussed, knew full well that he was unleashing on an unsuspecting world a deadly virus that would
00:33:43.800 take lives and that would infect millions and millions of people around the world. Not a single government
00:33:51.140 even intimated that they should be held accountable, the Chinese, for the moral equivalent murder. We have
00:33:59.700 right now a feckless world leadership that wants to have global government. If this doesn't dissuade
00:34:10.080 anyone in their right mind from that possibility, that thought, that ambition, I don't know what would.
00:34:17.880 Yes. As of today, we have about 945,000 Americans that have been killed by coronavirus. Each one of those
00:34:26.100 deaths should be considered a murder. And the reason is that Xi Jinping lied about contagiousness of this
00:34:32.780 disease. They knew that coronavirus was highly transmissible human to human. They told the world
00:34:39.580 it was not, that lulled public health officials around the world into not taking precautions. And in
00:34:45.920 addition, while they were locking down their own country, in other words, telling the world they thought
00:34:51.120 lockdowns were effective, they were pressuring other countries, including the United States,
00:34:56.320 not to impose travel restrictions and quarantines on arrivals from China. And it was those arrivals
00:35:01.340 who took a disease that should have been confined to Wuhan and the central parts of China and made it a
00:35:06.700 global pandemic. This was a murder. This is 5.9 million people outside of China have been killed by
00:35:13.900 this disease. Each one of those 5.9 million deaths is a murder. Absolutely. And what we have to do is
00:35:23.180 hope that this country comes to its senses. And I'm talking about everyone listening to this
00:35:27.200 podcast, to everyone, their families, because the American people are going to have to find the energy
00:35:36.540 and the compelling need to make certain that our elected officials move in the national interest.
00:35:46.020 There's something called America first. They heard of a couple of years ago. We don't hear that anymore.
00:35:52.000 But we must put America first. That doesn't mean America only, but it does mean America first.
00:35:58.000 And our national leadership has already forgotten the Trump lessons of 2016 to 2020. Hopefully,
00:36:07.220 we can change the leadership. Maybe we can even get Donald Trump back in the White House. But right now,
00:36:15.680 the lessons of America first should be at the forefront of most people's thinking on
00:36:20.440 every geopolitical issue that we confront. Gordon, you always get the last word on this show. And I
00:36:28.980 will defer to you now and say thanks for being with us. And please take it away.
00:36:34.460 Lou, we don't have a president who understands the nature of the challenge from China. He won't call
00:36:41.500 China an adversary. He'd mostly say he's a competitor. Well, China has no problem calling us an enemy.
00:36:48.300 In May 2019, People's Daily, which is official, it is the most authoritative publication in China,
00:36:55.700 declared a people's war on the United States. So we can lose our republic. We're a far stronger
00:37:00.920 country than China on almost every metric. But we can lose our country because we don't have a
00:37:07.060 president who is defending us. So this is not just a question of not America first. This is a question
00:37:13.400 of America last. This is a question of America not defending itself. Lou, you from the very beginning,
00:37:20.380 you were the first person to talk about this. Red China, red storm rising. The world needs to turn
00:37:26.620 to you now because if we don't, we are going to end up in a position of the dark ages. And although most
00:37:35.080 people think that that is an exaggeration, we can see where the world is trending and I don't see
00:37:40.140 anything stopping it. So clearly, we need to start defending ourselves. Amen, brother. We appreciate
00:37:48.140 it. Gordon, as always, thank you for being with us. We thank you for your insight, your perspectives,
00:37:53.980 and come back soon, would you please? It's been far too long. Gordon Chang, great American, great friend.
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00:38:38.680 Thanks. God bless you and God bless America. Want to thank you for being with us, for sharing part
00:38:44.360 of your day with us as always, for all your support and making this show, the Great America show,
00:38:50.540 a top rated podcast. And I have to tell you, I'm enjoying this show like none other. We put our
00:38:56.440 mission statement straight out there. We're all about this great nation, our great Americans,
00:39:01.340 and that means you and all who care about America, who believe wholeheartedly in truth,
00:39:07.400 justice, the American way. That's you and me, us. And those who don't like our pride in this great
00:39:15.380 country, they just, well, I've got a message for them. Just take the devil and the hindmost.
00:39:21.360 This isn't the time for patriots to step back or step aside. Too many Americans have done just that
00:39:28.040 in the face of the Marxist left's full-on assault on our country's founding values, their attack on
00:39:34.020 our character, our beliefs, our nation. And they've hurt too many folks. They've done too much damage
00:39:39.900 to this country, to our institutions, and it is time for all of us to stand up, especially so with
00:39:47.540 President Biden presiding over the calamity that is his presidency. We know what he is. We know what
00:39:54.960 he and the radical Dems, the Marxist left, have done to all of us, to this great country, and what
00:40:00.980 they mean to do. Whether it's Biden's embrace of President Xi Jinping or cowering before President
00:40:07.820 Putin, this White House is creating great danger for America, even the world. And he is lost as a man
00:40:16.240 and as a leader. We'll be taking up these issues and more with Senator Tommy Tuberville today.
00:40:22.900 He's been to Ukraine. He's talked with President Zelensky, and he's called on President Biden to act
00:40:28.760 against Russian aggression. And Senator Tuberville is concerned that our military civilian leadership
00:40:34.820 and top Pentagon leaders don't have our forces combat ready. We're pleased to welcome back to the
00:40:41.580 Great America show now. Senator Tommy Tuberville. Senator Tuberville, great to have you with us
00:40:46.840 here on the Great America show. It's always good to talk with you. We're delighted to see you. And we
00:40:53.400 know you've got a busy schedule ahead of you. We also know that you are significantly involved in
00:41:01.480 what is going on. You've been to Ukraine. You've talked with President Zelensky. There is so much
00:41:09.420 unwinding right now in the face of a threatened invasion of Ukraine. What are your thoughts
00:41:16.280 about the prospects? Well, flawed decisions lead to failed outcomes. And we saw this during
00:41:22.600 Afghanistan. It was poorly organized, poorly thought of. And now we're going into the same
00:41:27.880 situation, Lou, with Ukraine. I mean, this hadn't just started now. This has been going for several
00:41:33.480 years where they've came in and taken over Crimea, Russia, I'm talking about. And then they've changed the
00:41:38.920 government in Belarus. They've taken over a little bit of the eastern part of the country in Ukraine.
00:41:44.860 And there's been thousands of people in Ukraine that have been shot and killed by snipers coming
00:41:51.980 from the Russian side. So they've been in a little bit of a civil war, but it looks like
00:41:56.720 Putin wants something. I mean, he's got his hand out and he's looking for some kind of stance on NATO
00:42:04.660 when it comes to Ukraine. He's looking for Nord Stream 2 pipeline to be 100% efficient and you
00:42:11.400 just get out of my way. They're a one-trick pony in Russia. All they got is energy. They got gas and
00:42:18.020 oil. And that's how they pumped their economy up. And they know if we shut that down, then they've got
00:42:23.100 huge problems. But we have not done anything in terms of sanctions. I wanted to see, as you said,
00:42:28.720 Zelensky a few months ago and the president there said, listen, I don't, coach, I don't want people
00:42:33.780 on the ground from America. I just need some help. And we've given him a little bit of help,
00:42:38.680 but he wanted sanctions too. And we should have put those on back in the summer. We should have
00:42:43.780 let Putin really know how it was going to be. And we didn't do it. We've drug our feet. And
00:42:48.400 I guess they were more busy over here, the Democrats, more busy and running our economy into the ground
00:42:54.380 and want to make sure they got that done before they got us into another mess like they're getting
00:42:59.280 us into with Russia. But it's a huge problem. We've got huge problems. And only one guy knows who's
00:43:06.560 going to make the decision here. And his name is Vladimir Putin.
00:43:12.500 Yeah. And I understand you're headed to Munich for meetings. Tell us what your schedule is to the
00:43:20.400 you can and what the subjects will be. Yeah, we're leaving this afternoon. There's about 15 of us
00:43:25.700 senators leaving. We're going to national security conference in Munich. It's a yearly deal, but it's
00:43:30.780 really big this year. I think even we've got some of the administration going over. But there will be
00:43:37.840 lots of talk about Ukraine, lots of talk about Russia. Be a lot of talk about space. There's going to
00:43:45.460 be a lot of talk about obviously nuclear with the hypersonic missile being tested by China not too
00:43:52.960 long ago. There's a lot of things on the table. We got more problems than we could ever imagine.
00:43:58.820 But for some unknown reason, the Democrats are over here just trying to run our country into the ground
00:44:03.900 before they even look into any of these other problems. But as Republicans, we're going to do our
00:44:09.460 due diligence and try to hold the rope and don't let go of it and keep our country as safe as we
00:44:15.020 possibly can. The Marxist left has in this country, and I'll call the Democratic Party whatever it wants
00:44:23.140 to be called, but I'm also going to call them what I believe they are. They have become full-on radical
00:44:30.000 Dems. They are the Marxist left. They're attacking this country's most cherished institutions, attacking our
00:44:36.920 founding values, and they are either through malfeasance or utter sins of omission, not protecting
00:44:47.060 this country, not protecting our borders, for example. I can't imagine a conference, frankly,
00:44:52.420 in this hemisphere on sovereignty and border security. That's just not part of the agenda
00:45:00.400 for this administration, and it certainly should be. But I'm sorry. Go ahead, Senator.
00:45:07.840 Lou, for the life of me, I can't figure these people out. As you said, this is not the Democratic
00:45:13.940 Party that you and I knew. This is the progressive left. The progressives are running the party.
00:45:19.580 Even if there are a few moderate Democrats, they're really scared to make a decision against
00:45:24.920 the progressive left, all the woke identity politics folks. It's just amazing to watch all
00:45:33.740 this happen. But I will say this. I was in a meeting the other day with Blinken, Secretary
00:45:39.560 of State Blinken, and General Milley, and Secretary of Defense Austin, and Homeland Security Secretary
00:45:47.560 of Marokas. And we all had an opportunity to ask questions. And this was pretty much about Ukraine.
00:45:53.580 And Marokas gets up there, and he talks about the borders of Ukraine, how we've got to protect them,
00:45:58.180 and I'd had enough of it. And my question was, you're so worried about those borders over there,
00:46:04.860 Secretary of Marokas. Why in the world don't we do just a little bit of something down on the
00:46:10.020 southern border, where our border patrol is overwhelmed, drugs are coming in by the pound,
00:46:16.480 not by the ground, but by the pound. And this country is going to be in serious trouble,
00:46:21.460 even more to the fact of the crime that we have. And he wouldn't answer my question. He said,
00:46:26.920 well, this is not a proper place to answer the question. He didn't answer it because he doesn't
00:46:31.040 have an answer, because they could care less about protecting the taxpayers of this country.
00:46:36.620 They're more worried about getting us in another war over in Ukraine.
00:46:40.520 Yeah, Senator, I've said about on this broadcast, I've said
00:46:45.300 that Marokas being in charge of homeland security is akin to me putting an arsonist in charge of a
00:46:53.340 fire department. It is outrageous. This man is a radicalized leftist. He is, and by the way,
00:47:00.800 progressive, we should all, I think, acknowledge it. Certainly, those of us who are conservative,
00:47:06.520 who are Republican, this is not a progressive party. This is a Marxist party. They are being
00:47:13.520 driven by, flat out, in our face, Marxists, and at every turn, and including this president,
00:47:23.100 who was supposed to be a conciliator. He was supposed to be a bridge, a, if you will, a placeholder.
00:47:30.620 He is anything but. You would think the man had been elected by a hundred million votes and that
00:47:37.420 there were cheering parades in the streets as the results were announced that he had indeed been
00:47:44.600 elected. That isn't who he is. He barely got in. He didn't campaign. He was in his basement,
00:47:51.680 and he did not have an agenda remotely, uh, approaching, uh, the left, uh, the Marxist left
00:48:00.100 direction that he's taken the entire country. Exactly. And you're exactly right. We probably
00:48:05.680 shouldn't use the word progressive. That's just a polite way to say communist, to be honest with
00:48:09.500 you. And, uh, it is, uh, uh, and it's getting worse and worse. I mean, they, but they see the light
00:48:15.480 at the end of the tunnel, or we do see the light in the tunnel. If we can somehow gain back control
00:48:20.060 and we can get the Republicans even to vote our way, there's some Republicans that don't vote
00:48:24.660 sometimes the way that we would like to them, but that, you know, that's, that's part of
00:48:28.840 voting for your state. Uh, but I will say this too, I, you know, the, I'm on the armed services
00:48:35.040 committee and there's not a, uh, hearing that doesn't go by that. I have either Millie or,
00:48:40.780 or Blinken or, or secretary Austin that I raised cane about this woke military that they're trying to
00:48:47.460 train, you know, 6 million hours, Lou, 6 million hours that we spent on training, uh, all of our,
00:48:55.180 uh, military personnel in being, you know, uh, worrying about equity and woke politics,
00:49:02.260 identity politics. And as I told Senator, secretary Austin, secretary Austin, your job is not to
00:49:08.120 educate. It is to build a killing machine. And, uh, if you're going to continue to down this path,
00:49:14.760 this country is not going to make it. We need people that will fight for this country that love
00:49:20.320 this country. They're looking, they're trying to run out extremist out, uh, you know, and, and we know
00:49:26.060 that people have different thoughts, but at the end of the day, if you're in the military, you go into
00:49:30.020 the military to protect the United States of America. And, uh, we've had a lot of people lose their
00:49:36.080 lives for this country, but now we've got a group in there that wants to absolutely just, uh, build a
00:49:42.300 military on, on, uh, marshmallows. You know, everybody feel good about themselves. I mean,
00:49:49.120 that's not what this is about. It's about discipline, hard work, and fighting for your country.
00:49:54.320 Without question. And you're absolutely right. And I want to be sure everybody heard that.
00:49:59.680 I want to make sure I heard that 6 million hours of training, woke training in our military.
00:50:07.120 Exactly. 6 million hours. And, uh, there's not many days go by that they don't have some kind of,
00:50:13.400 uh, training, uh, as you know, if they're on, if, if, if, unless they're out in the field,
00:50:18.440 but if they're in the classroom, they're, they're going to be talking about, uh, uh, all the things
00:50:23.340 that, uh, the progressive and communist left want to infiltrate, uh, in their minds. And, you know,
00:50:28.720 we're having, we're having, uh, very good, uh, officers and, uh, and unenlisted, uh, personnel
00:50:37.660 all across the military, Lou. They're getting out saying, I didn't get in this for this reason.
00:50:42.980 I didn't get in here to, to learn about, uh, you know, how to really treat people. I know how to
00:50:47.880 treat people. You know, I understand how to treat people. Uh, I treat them like we're all the same.
00:50:53.380 I don't care what color you are, what religion you are. We're all the same, but they are running
00:50:58.540 out, uh, good military people just right and left. I want to tell you this too, Lou. I had a,
00:51:04.060 we had a meeting, uh, we did a two-year study on, uh, the accessibility of getting people in the
00:51:09.700 military because we, we don't have enough people that we can take into the military. Now, uh, there's
00:51:14.500 about 30 to 35 million every year at a younger age, 18, 19, 20, that are really eligible to be in
00:51:21.000 the military, uh, 30, 35 million. And after they go through and kick, uh, you know, the
00:51:27.460 qualifications out of having a high school diploma, not having a felony, not doing drugs,
00:51:33.040 all those things, we only have 450,000 people eligible for our military. And it all starts
00:51:39.680 in education. It all starts with moral values. It all starts with family. You know, they're
00:51:44.020 trying to tear down the nuclear family and, and we've got kids out there just running amok
00:51:48.740 and then drugs are just, just killing them. But the communist, uh, left, they don't, they don't
00:51:54.620 understand that. They, they think that, uh, everybody should, uh, just live and, and, and go
00:52:00.660 in the direction of how they direct them, you know, the left. Yeah. And, and for them, of course,
00:52:06.760 they're talking about a combat ready, uh, military, uh, readiness. Uh, they don't have to be too
00:52:14.700 worried because right next to their shoulder then is a, a Marxist or a communist in China,
00:52:21.080 uh, in Russia. Uh, and to them, it's all just one big happy world. So long as they follow the same
00:52:28.380 ideology. We're talking about one worlders here and that world doesn't resemble anything like
00:52:35.260 America. And, and we have people in this country who do not comprehend that basic fundamental
00:52:41.840 reality of politics, uh, and the alignment of the two parties with world powers. It's, it's deeply
00:52:50.260 disturbing. Well, the one thing that they really did not like president Trump, uh, and about was
00:52:57.220 when he got in office, he went straight after China and China Lou is our, our, our problem. Now,
00:53:03.100 now Russia wants some power. They're very centrally located, recently located in Europe, China. They want
00:53:09.680 to control the world and they're working so hard and fast. And unfortunately, uh, our big corporations
00:53:16.060 are funding a lot of the things that, uh, by doing business with them, that is giving them the money
00:53:21.240 to, to build satellites, to build submarines, to build, they have more ships now in their Navy than
00:53:26.320 we do. And, uh, president Trump came in, he put tariffs on them. He was doing the right things,
00:53:31.580 but the progressive communist left do not like us going after China. They want us to leave China
00:53:37.460 alone. I got news for them. China's not going to leave us alone. Uh, I do not want to be speaking
00:53:42.620 Chinese here in a few years. And so we need to wake up and smell the roses here and understand that
00:53:47.740 Russia is a problem, but China is the one that wants to take over the world. And they are working
00:53:53.020 every day towards that direction. You know, I, I look at, uh, Russia, uh, and its designs on,
00:53:59.980 uh, on Ukraine. And also, as you mentioned, Belarus, Moldova, I mean, they have already have achieved
00:54:07.100 their de facto annexation of Moldova and Belarus. The Eastern border of Ukraine is focused on a civil
00:54:17.320 war that's been going on since 2014. We know how that's going to end. Uh, and we might, because
00:54:25.440 our Germany, uh, you name it, whatever the country is in Europe, uh, Poland, uh, Hungary,
00:54:35.100 they're just not going to be involved in a conflict. They don't have the wherewithal militarily. They
00:54:40.880 don't have the stomach for it politically. And, and without the United States, nothing will happen
00:54:47.000 to stop Vladimir Putin, in my opinion, your thoughts. Well, you're exactly right. You know,
00:54:52.480 we've bailed Germany out in Europe many, many times, uh, the United States taxpayer has,
00:54:57.300 we don't need to continue to do that. Now we are in NATO and I understand that. And, but this is,
00:55:02.280 this is NATO's fight, but it's not from our side. And in terms of, Hey, I'm for, I'm for helping them,
00:55:08.740 sending them missiles, javelin missiles, anti-tank missiles, and all those things. Uh,
00:55:13.900 but this is Europe's Europe's problem. Now, uh, do they want to be a communist, uh,
00:55:22.220 country and all those areas? Most of them don't, but we need to get some help out of,
00:55:27.960 out of Germany. Germany is, is soft peddling this, uh, president Trump told Merkel, you,
00:55:33.900 you signed this deal with, uh, with the pipeline for energy. Uh, you're going to sell your soul.
00:55:39.160 And she did. And, uh, now they're, they're soft peddling whether or not they're going to do
00:55:44.500 anything about, about the pipeline. But the only good thing that I've heard president Biden say was
00:55:50.100 a situation of you come in, we're going to close the pipeline down. Well, we'll see what happens
00:55:54.780 there because it looks like they're probably going to do some kind of invasion, whether it's a short
00:55:59.580 term or maybe long-term we'll find that out probably in the next few days. Yeah. And, uh, or as, uh,
00:56:06.040 as president Biden basically signal to Vladimir Putin, just so it's a minor incursion, his expression,
00:56:13.220 minor incursion, uh, you know, where we can just talk about it. That'd be fine. I mean, that was,
00:56:18.400 it's just, it's inexplicable that this man is in the white house, uh, leading the United States of
00:56:25.360 America and indeed quote unquote, the free world. Uh, I just, it's, it's hard to, it's hard to take
00:56:33.160 some days when you look at what we're dealing with. The good news is the American people are awake
00:56:38.900 to what he is. His poll numbers are a disaster. Uh, it looks like the Republican party is going to
00:56:46.480 have a wave election come November because the American people aren't going to put up with any
00:56:50.860 more of this. And, and that's a wonderful thing, but there's a lot to be done, including, uh, John
00:56:56.460 Durham, uh, the special counsel and his report, uh, to the people in a filing on the factual basis
00:57:04.620 for Hillary Clinton, uh, for the democratic party and, uh, some very powerful law firms to have gone
00:57:12.740 off gone after, uh, president Trump is both a candidate and a sitting president. It's outrageous.
00:57:19.740 It's beyond belief. And the left-wing media still is not reporting the story. They have missed the
00:57:26.620 biggest scandal in this country's history and have done so eagerly willfully over the course of the
00:57:34.660 past six years. Your thoughts. Never seen anything like it, Lou. It is, uh, we knew it was coming.
00:57:40.700 We just didn't know how bad it was going to be. And it's going to get worse as we go. Every day I
00:57:45.180 walk over from my office to vote in the Capitol. You have to walk by these millennials that are
00:57:50.320 mostly mainstream media. And, you know, they want to ask you questions, this or that. And
00:57:54.620 sure. Uh, last few days, they've been asked me questions before I answer. I said, before I
00:57:58.520 answer this, when are you, when are you coming out with an article about the Durham report and how bad
00:58:02.460 it is and how bad Hillary Clinton and, and her goons went after and, and pretty much spied on the
00:58:08.600 president of the United States as is that not news. And they look at me like I'm crazy. Uh, but, uh,
00:58:16.200 I'm going to continue to do that. And, uh, sooner or later, they're going to have to,
00:58:20.840 they're going to have to start writing this and, and, you know, you and I can talk about it and,
00:58:25.160 and get it out there as much as possible. But until the mainstream media finally decides,
00:58:29.880 says we were wrong. Uh, president Trump was, uh, uh, spied on, uh, Hillary Clinton was actually the
00:58:38.760 one in, in charge of the Russia collusion, not president Trump, because they pushed all that
00:58:44.040 narrative. And they know now if they admitted Lou, that they were wrong, they're going to give back
00:58:48.680 their Pulitzer prizes at the New York times. Uh, I mean, these people are, they're, they're, uh, I,
00:58:55.160 I don't know how to explain them. I mean, they, they, they just, uh, they don't love this country
00:58:59.640 anymore. They would rather win a Pulitzer prize and then save the United States of America from
00:59:06.440 total destruction by exploding from within with all kinds of things that's going after a sitting
00:59:12.200 president. It's just, it, it's mind boggling to me how we can get to this point, but the NSA director
00:59:18.280 who has still got a job, uh, and he knew all about this, uh, uh, it's going to be an interesting few
00:59:25.080 months. And you and I went to Watergate Lou, uh, and every day, you know, uh, Nixon was taking it
00:59:31.320 from right to left and people were after him. Uh, this should be the same way. Absolutely. Uh, it is,
00:59:37.960 and it's far, far worse than Watergate by, I mean, president Trump is exactly right. It it's far worse
00:59:44.200 than Watergate, but it's even worse than that. This is the worst scandal in this nation's history.
00:59:50.680 Uh, it is an outrage. Uh, it is, it is just in, it's totally unthinkable that we have let this occur
01:00:00.120 and have watched a president be impeached twice to have a special counsel convened against him, uh,
01:00:07.880 for him to be forced to undergo three years of FBI investigation and not one, one person and the
01:00:17.080 left wing Marxist corporate owned media in this country will acknowledge that it's kind of amazing
01:00:23.320 that a person under that kind of scrutiny and that kind of deep investigation doesn't face a single
01:00:31.400 charge. And they don't even ask the question, gee, I wonder if he is an innocent man persecuted by vile,
01:00:40.200 uh, enemies of this nation and the American people. Exactly. And I think Lou, at the end of the day,
01:00:47.640 you're going to, you're going to find a lot of ties to all these people that went after president Trump,
01:00:51.960 that were doing things behind the scenes, uh, whether it was small or large for four years,
01:00:57.480 even the media have, uh, the, the common denominator is going to be China. Uh, China is going to be the
01:01:06.280 common denominator between all these things that have happened, all the collusion, all the corruption
01:01:12.040 in the media, all the things that have gone on behind the scenes. And, uh, uh, I think you're going
01:01:17.640 to see them start, the rats are going to start running for the hole here pretty soon. Uh, I just,
01:01:22.360 I think, uh, Durham, uh, the guy's slow, but you know, I've talked to people that work in the DOJ
01:01:28.600 for him and they've all said, listen, whatever he does, he's going to do it thorough. He's not
01:01:33.480 going to be fast. He's going to be slow, but when he comes out with something, it's going to be true.
01:01:38.680 And so, uh, uh, it's taken a while, uh, and I hate it for president Trump and really even his family
01:01:44.520 and the country for what, what has happened to, uh, to the sitting president. But, uh, this will all
01:01:50.120 come out in the wash and, uh, you know, I think there's going to be a lot more things come out and,
01:01:55.560 and, uh, you can imagine they're, they're trying to do everything they possibly can in the White
01:01:59.800 House and the administration to start blocking things. But I think the cat's out of the bag.
01:02:05.320 Well, I think you're right. And, uh, as we conclude here, I'm just going to say one thing. This is my
01:02:10.280 sort of vision of American politics for the next couple of years. I truly believe that Durham will
01:02:16.120 get everything out there so that the Democrats, the, the radical Democrats, the Marxists left in
01:02:22.040 this country will be called to account, including their big fancy law firms, all of those who've been
01:02:28.280 involved in this. And, and so my vision is this, that they'll come out in time that the American
01:02:33.640 people will assimilate it, put it together with what they know right now. And president Trump will
01:02:39.640 be reelected president of the United States by acclamation. They won't even have the,
01:02:45.560 they, they will be too ashamed to even put up a candidate. Uh, and I, I know that's a little
01:02:51.400 fanciful, but that's my dream. Yeah. It doesn't hurt the dream. Lou. It doesn't.
01:03:00.440 Absolutely. Especially if you're an American, uh,
01:03:04.120 I want to just say, thanks, uh, Senator for being here. I wish you, uh, uh, uh, safe travels
01:03:09.880 and you get the last word here on the great America show as always it, uh, your, your concluding
01:03:17.240 thoughts. Well, thank you for what you do. Uh, again, I've, I've kept up with you. Most of my
01:03:22.840 political life is as a taxpayer, but the one thing I want to tell the American people, everything
01:03:28.040 sounds of gloom, gloom and doom, but it's really not. We live in the best place on earth, United
01:03:33.800 States of America, and this country will survive because of its people, because of people that
01:03:39.800 love this country. And I'm looking forward to being part of it. Senator, uh, we're delighted
01:03:44.680 you are. And thank you for being with us here on the great America show. Thanks to Senator
01:03:49.400 Tuberville for being with us. And thanks also to Gordon Chang, two great Americans. Thanks for
01:03:55.640 listening. Hope to see you tomorrow. Our guest will be another great American, Joel Pollack,
01:04:01.720 the senior editor at large for Breitbart news and host of Breitbart on Sirius XM Patriot 125.
01:04:09.720 Looking forward to our discussion tomorrow. Hope you'll be with us till then. God bless you
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