The Great America Show - CHINA MANAGING ITS OWN DECLINE

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being with us

00:00:05.760 as we take a look today at what the Biden White House is doing about the greatest threat America

00:00:11.520 now faces from both within and without. That enemy is communist China. I call China our enemy 0.95

00:00:19.620 advisedly because that is the appropriate name for nation states that mean to destroy or diminish

00:00:26.660 other nation states and to hold global dominion. That is China's purpose and what they intend. 0.83

00:00:34.980 Their strategic partnership with Russia is, in fact, a force multiplier for China and its military.

00:00:42.460 China is importing more oil from Russia than ever before at discount and last month boosting its

00:00:49.400 trade by 50 percent. That cuts China's dependence on foreign oil, foreign meaning any nation that

00:00:56.500 isn't a strategic partner of China. That Russian oil will support Russia's air force and its navy in

00:01:03.060 the event of conflict. As to China's threat within the United States, they have thousands of front

00:01:09.600 companies and entities operating in this country with one purpose, to surveil, spy, and steal U.S.

00:01:16.820 intellectual property and technology, an estimated $600 billion worth each year. And there's no reaction,

00:01:24.860 no response from the Biden White House, and the threats keep rising, whether in the South China Sea,

00:01:31.600 in space, or over Taiwan. The pace and pulse of the Chinese threat to Taiwan is building. But China is 0.96

00:01:40.040 now facing profound challenges to its economy and, as a result, its national power, including a slowing,

00:01:48.300 perhaps contracting economy, a rapidly spreading series of lockdowns because of a new

00:01:54.500 variant of the China virus. As many as 400 million people in China are now in lockdown.

00:02:01.580 A larger number of people than live in the United States and Canada combined. Our guest today is

00:02:08.440 attorney and author, China expert, Gordon Chang, preeminent among China watchers.

00:02:15.240 Gordon, great to have you back with us here on the Great America Show. It is a sobering time,

00:02:21.820 isn't it? It's a difficult time. And we're getting news out of China. And I've been absolutely excited to talk to

00:02:30.980 you about these new developments. But one of them is Premier Li talking about what was styled as a grave job

00:02:39.640 market in China. Very, I don't think we've talked much about, when I say we, the Western world hasn't talked much

00:02:50.120 about unemployment or employment in China for a couple of years. What is what is going on? And what

00:02:57.120 has Premier Li and the CCP so ginned up and concerned about their labor market?

00:03:06.180 Well, China right now is in contraction. The April numbers show that it was not only contraction month to

00:03:13.000 month, but also year to year. March was also a bad month. And Li Ka-chang understands this, he can see

00:03:21.880 numbers which we don't have access to. But the COVID-19 lockdowns that are mandated by Xi Jinping,

00:03:29.440 the Chinese ruler, have undermined employment, they've undermined the economy, and indeed society as a whole. 0.97

00:03:37.060 Well, Premier Li's talk on Saturday followed Xi Jinping's speech to the Politburo Standing

00:03:46.040 Committee, which is the highest political body in China, in which Xi Jinping doubled down on his

00:03:51.460 COVID strategy, which means further lockdowns. Lockdowns, of course, mean people can't go to work,

00:03:57.980 unemployment. And we can see Li Ka-chang, who is no friend of Xi Jinping, trying to bring back some

00:04:04.880 rationality to Chinese policy. But unfortunately for China's people, Li doesn't have the clout within

00:04:12.340 the political system. And he can warn us, but he can't really do very much right now.

00:04:19.880 Very much in the way of policy, but he is at least ostensibly number two in the power structure.

00:04:27.780 Why is it he has such limitations in terms of taking action in policy?

00:04:34.880 When Xi Jinping became General Secretary of the Communist Party at the end of 2012, he had found

00:04:40.540 a consensual political system where every important decision was shared across the Politburo Standing

00:04:46.180 Committee. But what Xi Jinping was able to do was to take power from virtually everybody else in Beijing.

00:04:53.340 And that included Li Ka-chang, who comes from a faction that Xi Jinping doesn't particularly like.

00:04:59.340 And so really what's happened is Li has lost power. And although he's the head of the state council,

00:05:07.260 in other words, the Chinese central government, he really doesn't have the ability to implement

00:05:12.700 policy. He knows what's going wrong in China, as do many other people. But Xi Jinping has decided

00:05:20.020 for various political reasons to continue with policies that don't make sense for anybody but Xi Jinping.

00:05:26.820 And within this look at the economy of China, we're seeing their export growth slowing,

00:05:36.820 weakening to pre-pandemic levels in point of fact. What is, I guess, the issue right now? Is it Shanghai?

00:05:47.940 Is it the lockdowns? Is it something demographic? What is what is changing here that is affecting the

00:05:56.820 Chinese economy and therefore may influence world events? There are two things, Lou. First of all,

00:06:04.980 before COVID-19 hit, the Chinese economy was slowing anyway. It was choking on debt. In order to get past

00:06:12.000 the 2008 downturn, China went on a massive spending spree. And that has created the debt crisis, which

00:06:19.040 we got a glimpse of last September, when Evergrande, the large property developer, was not able to meet

00:06:25.080 its obligations. We saw defaults among other property developers. Beijing has been able to rescue the

00:06:31.240 situation, but only really to postpone it. But when you put that in connection with the second factor,

00:06:37.040 which are the COVID-19 lockdowns, which are not just Shanghai and Beijing, but they're across the

00:06:42.640 eastern portion of China. And the eastern portion of China is where the economic growth comes from.

00:06:49.440 And we're seeing problems, for instance, in Guangdong province in the south, where we've had

00:06:54.420 limited lockdowns. But we have also seen the disease not only hit cities like Shenzhen, which is right 0.98

00:07:01.680 across from Hong Kong, but they've come back and hit Shenzhen for the second time in the last three or four

00:07:06.320 months. So right now, China has basically, as I mentioned, in contraction, it isn't able to

00:07:14.000 create the output to retire the debt. And there are actually no good options, because Xi Jinping

00:07:20.280 believes that China should go with this zero COVID strategy of even more draconian lockdowns of

00:07:27.780 Chinese cities, and indeed, the country as a whole.

00:07:30.920 More draconian, hard to imagine, based on what we know of the lockdowns as they appear now,

00:07:39.620 the fencing in people who have contracted the virus, families, whole apartment buildings,

00:07:48.120 whatever. It doesn't get much more draconian than that, does it?

00:07:52.760 No, it doesn't, because we have seen people confined to their apartments for no good reason.

00:07:59.640 Also, a lot of these contact tracing and testing, which was so admired by the international community

00:08:06.060 two years ago, are now actually spreading the disease in Shanghai, because people are tested daily,

00:08:12.380 they stand in these long lines, they infect each other. And also, when people are taken to these

00:08:18.840 massive quarantine facilities, many of them are COVID negative, but they contract the disease and

00:08:23.940 the horrible conditions there. So this makes no sense from a disease point of view. And of course,

00:08:29.860 Lou, it doesn't make sense from an overall point of view, because people are not getting health care

00:08:34.020 for other conditions. We are seeing mental health problems. There's a rage in Chinese society, 1.00

00:08:41.780 people jumping off balconies, killing themselves in Shanghai. Basically, Shanghai, which sort of prides

00:08:50.360 itself as like the most sophisticated society on earth, has been reduced to a primitive one,

00:08:55.640 as these lockdowns now going on for about six weeks, have turned a once vibrant city into a ghost town.

00:09:03.280 And give us your judgment about, give us a Sino forecast, if you will, both politically and

00:09:13.120 economically, is based on what we're seeing right now, a contracting economy, a, it seems, frustrated

00:09:22.320 central government, the only government they know, of course, the CCP and Xi Jinping.

00:09:28.720 He sounds like he's, he's having more than a little trouble right now, governing communist China.

00:09:39.580 Yes, well, nothing's going China's way right now, because it's not only the COVID lockdowns,

00:09:46.860 the debt crisis, a stagnant and now contracting economy, they've got worsening food shortages,

00:09:52.700 a deteriorating environment. And something that you referred to earlier, and that is a demographic

00:09:59.540 crisis. China is probably going to lose half its population within 45 years. That's a prediction 0.99

00:10:06.660 made by two Chinese demographers from Xi'an. And if you just do the arithmetic, China probably will be

00:10:14.740 one third as populous at the turn of the century as it is now. There's never been a steeper projected

00:10:21.000 decline in demography of any society in the absence of war or disease. So that really puts a very

00:10:28.340 limited outlook for China. But in the, in the, well before that, these other problems, which are

00:10:35.280 hitting China simultaneously, I think the Communist Party doesn't have a solution for them. And part of

00:10:41.320 it, Lou, is because people around the world are in no mood to help China. We have seen in the past, 0.85

00:10:48.060 American presidents, Nixon, Clinton, George H.W. Bush, run to the rescue of the Communist Party.

00:10:54.400 I actually don't think that's going to happen this time.

00:10:58.840 I'm, as you said that I'm, I'm sort of holding up Joe Biden, H.W. Bush, George W. Bush,

00:11:06.900 and sort of wondering what the similarities are. In many ways, in many ways, Gordon, I think of

00:11:15.260 Joe Biden as being more ideologically akin to the authoritarian communist Chinese than,

00:11:23.560 than any other president in our history.

00:11:27.580 Yes, I agree with that. Because what we have seen Biden do as president, you know, we don't know what

00:11:34.140 it's in his mind, but we do know what he's been doing. And he's taken a number of actions that can't

00:11:40.260 be explained any other way than to say that he must be ideologically determined to help China at the

00:11:50.280 expense of the United States. There are just so many things, starting from his first day in office,

00:11:57.360 when he, for instance, reversed some of President Trump's executive orders that were intended to

00:12:04.620 protect the United States. And then it's continued on since then. Biden right now is at a point where

00:12:12.160 he is doing things that are helping Beijing, and undermining the ability of the United States to

00:12:18.200 protect itself. And, and you just got to wonder in bewilderment, what the hell is going on?

00:12:24.540 And, you know, chief amongst those developments or initiatives on the part of the Biden administration,

00:12:30.480 give us an example of what you think are the most egregious.

00:12:36.520 Well, the one that sticks in my mind is one that a few people have focused on, but I think it's

00:12:44.760 illustrative of Biden's state of mind. So for instance, on his first day in office, Biden issues

00:12:50.440 an executive order that repeals a Trump executive order that prohibited the importation into the United

00:12:56.720 States of equipment for our grid. President Trump's order was meant to protect our grid from

00:13:02.920 sabotage. And there's a real concern of that. Now, Biden, when he issued this, his executive order said he

00:13:09.580 wanted to review the Trump era of protection. I can understand a president coming in and wanting to review

00:13:15.580 the work of his predecessor, but he should have left the protection in place while he figured out what was

00:13:21.840 going to happen. And I think that that's just illustrative of Biden's blindness or whatever

00:13:30.800 one wants to call it, ideological bet. But this really has, I think, undermined the ability of

00:13:37.920 the United States to protect itself from a critical threat, and one which was not theoretical. So then

00:13:44.680 there are many more examples, but that one just to me stuck in my mind because there was no explanation

00:13:50.160 for what President Biden did. And accelerating waivers to the tariffs, whatever the issue, it's all

00:13:59.440 broken China's way and exposed the U.S. economy. When I look at China right now, is it this past weekend 0.79

00:14:11.320 sent over 18 aircraft into the Taiwanese defense zone, and they had to scramble fighters.

00:14:19.200 This is becoming a more provocative, and I won't say it's in any way destabilizing, but it's becoming

00:14:27.360 routine. It's as if they're trying to set a mark that says, yes, we're going to do this, and we're

00:14:33.480 going to continue doing this until you're used to us doing this, and then we're going to do it for real.

00:14:39.040 Is there any logic in that appearance?

00:14:44.000 Yeah, I agree with you, Lou. The most recent incursion into the air defense identification

00:14:49.100 zone, which you referred to, was 18 aircraft, which was the second largest incursion this year.

00:14:56.080 What was significant about it was the mix of planes that China sent in. They sent in their H-6K

00:15:01.980 nuclear-capable bombers, plus also strike aircraft, and there had not been that combination before.

00:15:10.300 These incursions into the ADIS, as they're called, have become commonplace, as you note.

00:15:17.340 People have not focused on what happened on February 5. In air defense identification zone

00:15:23.340 incursions, they've been into international airspace. They've been belligerent and provocative,

00:15:27.880 but China, in a sense, has a right to do them. But what it did on February 5, it sent a plane

00:15:34.540 over one of Taiwan's outlying islands, directly over the island. This was a violation of Taiwan's 0.82

00:15:42.140 sovereign airspace. This was potentially an act of war. And it shows the boldness of the Chinese 1.00

00:15:48.880 regime right now in these maneuvers over Taiwan's air. And that is a warning to us. China, as you say,

00:15:57.100 is trying to make this commonplace, to sort of maybe put us off our guard. But the point is that

00:16:02.600 this is going in a direction which shows that China is actually preparing for war.

00:16:08.100 Preparing for war. The United States has aircraft carriers in the South China Sea. We are maintaining 0.98

00:16:16.060 on the, I won't say pretext, but on the announced policy of free navigation and preserving those free

00:16:25.200 navigation zones and channels. But nonetheless, they're there. And a carrier group is a powerful

00:16:34.820 statement. But those carriers can't stay in the South China Sea or nearby forever.

00:16:43.220 What is, does this policy make sense on the part of the Biden administration and in the South China

00:16:52.640 Sea to try to blunt the expansionary strategies of the Communist Chinese? 0.97

00:17:00.920 These freedom of navigation operations are consistent with America's longest held foreign policy

00:17:07.420 approach, which is to make sure that the global commons is available for all nations,

00:17:12.220 including the United States, which is a trading nation. I think that they make sense. And this

00:17:17.960 is a continuation, not just, this is not just Biden policy. This goes back to Trump, goes before,

00:17:22.960 you know, into Obama, before Obama. This goes long, long way back. And the reason I think we're trying

00:17:29.540 to do is send to the message to Beijing that we're not afraid of you. But a carrier in the South China

00:17:36.420 Sea is extremely vulnerable. One of the things that President Trump did, which was extremely important,

00:17:44.300 was to withdraw from the INF Treaty, which was a building block, important arms control agreement,

00:17:52.060 that intermediate range nuclear forces agreement. And the reason why this was so critical,

00:17:56.840 and the reason why I'm mentioning it now, is because while we were in INF, we could not develop

00:18:03.580 certain types of missiles. Those missiles are necessary to protect a carrier and to protect

00:18:09.940 our Navy and to protect our friends and allies. We couldn't do it. We were in that treaty with

00:18:15.800 Russia. China was not a party to it. China now has better range, longer range, and more capable

00:18:22.160 missiles than we do, because we were bound by INF until Trump took us out. And we are very much

00:18:29.400 behind the ball. So we've got aircraft carriers, though. They're very impressive looking. But in

00:18:34.940 actual war with China, we're not going to be able to bring those carriers anywhere near China's shores 0.64

00:18:41.700 because they would be too vulnerable. And just being in the South China Sea is itself somewhat limiting

00:18:49.660 for those carriers. It is not ideal. But at the same time, we don't have much of a list of options to

00:19:02.960 respond to China. And we have our submarine force. We have our carriers. But that is pretty much it. Beyond

00:19:12.760 that, we have no land-based response to speak of. It's a very difficult situation. And the supply lines,

00:19:24.220 the logistics lines for the United States and the region are severe and thin.

00:19:31.720 Yes. And as a number of people have said in the last couple hours, Lou, that the U.S. military is,

00:19:38.840 the word they use, fragile. In other words, because of the reasons you mentioned, the United States,

00:19:45.800 it's not clear that we could sustain a long war. Remember, we've given a lot of material to Ukraine

00:19:53.160 in the last couple months, which is a good thing, I think. But the point is that we don't have that

00:19:58.940 material now. We're not being able to sell material to Taiwan. We don't have that material in our own

00:20:04.860 inventory. We are ramping up as fast as we can. But this shows how thin the American armed forces are

00:20:12.060 in terms of being able to maintain a sustained conflict. So we're in a really bad place right

00:20:19.200 now. And of course, the Chinese know that. So, you know, for all the reasons you just mentioned,

00:20:25.320 yeah, we're in a world of hurt.

00:20:27.880 And meanwhile, the neocons are urging war with China. It's that straightforward. They're not

00:20:35.940 simply talking about supplying the Ukrainian military and resistance with our weaponry.

00:20:40.720 They're talking about the prospect. And you can almost hear the glee in their voices as they discuss

00:20:47.580 an expanded war in Europe with Russia over Ukraine. The problem is, of course, that's mindless.

00:20:56.500 And we have gone through that era of the neocons and the aggression from our national security

00:21:05.800 establishment. There's no room for it now. And because we have military capabilities that are

00:21:12.020 severely diminished, despite four years of Trump, despite everything he did to build up our forces,

00:21:18.380 we are now watching the personnel. The U.S. Army is dwindling in size, and it's doing so

00:21:26.460 at a rapid rate. And then technologically, we're still behind in hypersonic missile technology

00:21:33.200 and won't be caught up in the at least near future. This is an extraordinarily limited capability

00:21:42.260 we're talking about on the part of what has always been the superpower. I'm not sure that we can back up

00:21:48.860 that claim now. What do you think?

00:21:51.200 I agree with you 100 percent, Lou. You know, you take a look at weapon for weapon. China can actually

00:21:58.420 field superior weapons to a battlefront in Asia. And we're going to take at least a half decade to catch up.

00:22:08.360 And that means and that's if the Biden administration were to make a decision to do so, which it's not in any

00:22:16.220 mood to. You know, we have we have seen the hollowing out of the U.S. military.

00:22:22.160 It's not a lethal force as it once was. And to the point about Asia, the U.S. Navy is deeply troubled.

00:22:30.800 I mean, one could spend hours talking about the problems in the U.S. Navy and the question whether

00:22:36.780 the Navy could fight. And that's not entirely clear to me. Now, the U.S. Navy is capable in a sense if

00:22:44.460 you compare it to, let's say, your average run of the military. But with regard to China, it's not

00:22:51.220 entirely clear to me that we have any sort of edge. You know, right now, war with China would be 0.77

00:22:58.760 a horrible idea. The point is, this decision is not up to us. This is really up to China right now. 0.72

00:23:06.780 But we do have to prepare because the Chinese are actually thinking in terms of using their military 0.95

00:23:12.540 against not only Taiwan, but against Japan, the Philippines and India, where Chinese troops are

00:23:18.660 already deep into Indian controlled territory already. So this is, you know, people who talk about

00:23:25.400 wanting a war with China right now are just truly dangerous.

00:23:29.960 Yeah, because that war, given the conventional shortfall that we're facing, both in manpower

00:23:39.120 and in weaponry, we would have to be in a fight with a country the size of China and with its 0.94

00:23:47.400 advanced technology. We would have to be almost in response to any act of aggression.

00:23:53.540 We would have to be almost immediately at DEFCON 5 and be ready to go to nuclear war because we

00:24:03.960 wouldn't have many choices, I don't believe.

00:24:06.920 Yeah. Right now, we have to do so many things with regard to our military. We need better weapons.

00:24:16.200 We need more fighting spirit. We need to stop talking about diversity in the military and start

00:24:23.480 talking about killing our enemies. Because we have an administration that's much more concerned about

00:24:29.940 non-military issues and ideologically promoting its ideas inside the Chinese military. You know,

00:24:37.380 it's very fortunate that the chief of naval operations, which is the Navy's top officer,

00:24:41.180 just released his reading list. And fortunately, he's taken the woke books off of the list that

00:24:47.560 appeared last year. So that's at least a sign of moving in the right direction. But as a friend of

00:24:53.020 mine who has a son who's a lieutenant in the US Army in Europe, his son has been saying,

00:24:59.400 Dad, we do not have a lethal armed forces anymore. And that's a warning to all of us that we have

00:25:06.440 forgotten what we should be doing with our military.

00:25:10.680 It is sobering and it is deeply concerning to put the nicest spin on that word I possibly can.

00:25:18.180 It's scary. And I want to close with one question that we haven't answered. And that's

00:25:25.860 probably right now the most immediate important question. Is there any sign that the Chinese are

00:25:32.760 supplying weapon, weaponry and military supplies to Russia in its war against Ukraine?

00:25:40.740 There is open source reporting that China is supplying military intelligence to Russia.

00:25:46.520 So, for instance, in the beginning of the war, the Ukrainians were using drones made by DJI,

00:25:53.220 the Shenzhen-based company. And China was supplying targeting information to Russia so that they could

00:25:59.540 locate where the Ukrainian drone operators were, because they would know from the DJI drones,

00:26:07.520 which are connected to the cloud. So we know that. We've got to be concerned about China's shipment of

00:26:13.880 anti-aircraft missiles to Serbia, which is a very close friend of Russia. There are unconfirmed reports

00:26:22.000 about Chinese rifles showing up in Ukraine. But really, the issue here is China's economic support

00:26:29.380 from Russia. Because in April, Chinese imports from Russia increased 56.6%. That means China is buying

00:26:38.540 commodities and other items. And that's supporting Russia's ability to wage war. So that and for other

00:26:46.860 means China has been supporting Russia in this. And the Biden administration, which keeps on issuing

00:26:52.220 warnings, warnings are fine. But at some point, we got to back them up and start imposing sanctions

00:26:57.240 on China for helping Russia prosecute the war in Ukraine. But unlike Russia, China has a lot of

00:27:06.860 leverage with the United States. We're utterly dependent on China for a host of products, a host of

00:27:13.400 of everything from pharmaceutical ingredients to pharmaceuticals themselves. It would be an ugly

00:27:21.700 moment were we to attempt sanctions at the same level that we did with Russia, would we not?

00:27:29.880 We would have problems in a couple areas, pharmaceuticals being the most important. There's

00:27:36.200 a company called Apple, which would have a problem. But I think that we would be able to adjust.

00:27:42.420 But the point is, we need to separate ourselves from China in anticipation of the problems that 1.00

00:27:50.140 will inevitably arise. Because we see China is preparing for war. We nonetheless, you know, 0.72

00:27:56.960 no one wants war. But nonetheless, if we want to stop it, the drift to war, we're going to have to make

00:28:02.760 sure that we can supply Americans with pharmaceuticals and with all the other necessities in their lives.

00:28:09.400 We need to bring our factories back to this side of the Pacific. We need to make sure that we are resilient.

00:28:16.000 And unfortunately, the globalists for a very long time actually promoted the idea that we should make

00:28:22.220 ourselves more dependent on China so that we could have a peaceful world. That idea was, that's atrocious, 0.92

00:28:30.660 100% wrong. And now we have got to reverse that process, Lou. You've been talking about this for decades.

00:28:37.260 We actually got to do this now. Because if we want to retain our independence and our sovereignty,

00:28:42.380 we've got to start protecting Americans. And we've got to start that absolutely right now.

00:28:49.260 And this administration makes the timing awful. Because there is no way, in my opinion, this Marxist left

00:28:56.820 president, this puppet president, is going to respond in the affirmative to any kind of strategic

00:29:05.180 thinking, including, as a matter of fact, it's the inverse. He's turning over a million barrels a day

00:29:11.680 from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, 180 million barrels of oil, for which he has absolutely no

00:29:19.020 authority. And there is no precedent for any president ever having done such. He's taken just

00:29:26.300 about every wrong turn a president possibly could. As you know, this show always gives our guests

00:29:33.580 the very last word. And Gordon, your concluding thoughts?

00:29:37.280 Well, Henry Kissinger on Saturday said that we are living in a totally new era. And I have to agree

00:29:46.040 with him. And I believe, Kissinger didn't say this, but I believe that we have to radically rethink

00:29:52.460 our approach to Russia and China, if we are going to be able to navigate ourselves through this.

00:29:58.880 We are very fortunate, Lou, in that we are self-sufficient in food, and we can be self-sufficient

00:30:04.660 in energy. We should survive, and we should prosper in the new era. But we need to rethink

00:30:11.420 globalization. We need to go to de-globalizing. And it's important for us, ultimately, to make

00:30:19.520 ourselves independent and self-sufficient so that we can protect Americans, and we can protect our

00:30:25.600 friends and allies. Well said, as always. Gordon Chang, thank you, my friend, for being here. We

00:30:31.720 appreciate your insight, your perspective, your knowledge, and, yes, your wisdom. Thanks so much.

00:30:38.980 We appreciate it, Gordon. God bless you.

00:30:41.480 God bless you, Lou, and thank you so much.

00:30:44.440 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today. Tomorrow, our guest is international journalist,

00:30:49.100 best-selling author Lee Smith. He wrote the terrific book, The Plot to Overthrow the President,

00:30:54.820 and worked on the documentary of the same title based on his book. Please be with us here tomorrow.

00:31:01.720 Till then, God bless you, and God bless America.

The Great America Show - May 14, 2022

CHINA MANAGING ITS OWN DECLINE

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