The Great America Show - CHINA MEANS WAR

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. This is the Great America Show. Welcome. Thanks for being

00:00:07.780 with us. House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer preparing to subpoena President Biden

00:00:12.980 and members of the president's family. Here's Comer announcing the committee's decision.

00:00:18.580 This is always going to end with the Bidens coming in front of the committee. We are going

00:00:24.200 to subpoena the family. I mean, we're putting the case together to win in court. Obviously,

00:00:28.940 with all the opposition and obstruction we're getting from the Biden attorneys now, we know

00:00:34.560 that this is going to end up in court when we subpoena the Biden. So we're putting together

00:00:38.460 a case. And I think we've done that very well. We've shown the bank records. If I had subpoenaed

00:00:43.560 Joe and Hunter Biden the first day I became chairman of the committee, it would have been

00:00:47.260 tied up in court and the judge would have eventually thrown it out. Because at that time, the narrative

00:00:51.340 was, well, they never took any money while he was vice president. He never had any communication

00:00:54.760 with his business associates. And, you know, the money never came from China. We've had

00:01:00.340 to go every step of the way and prove the media narrative was wrong. And the vice president

00:01:05.380 and the current president lied. We have caught Joe Biden in so many lies. I can't even count

00:01:11.620 a number of lies now. So we have put together a case that I think would stand up in any court

00:01:17.320 of law in America. And we hope to hear from the Biden soon. But I wish the media would ask

00:01:22.280 the president. What exactly did your family do to receive this $21 million that the House

00:01:28.160 Oversight Committee has proven? He just continues to say, well, that's a lie. That's not true.

00:01:32.620 We have their bank records, Maria. Bank records don't lie.

00:01:35.960 Congressman Comer on Fox News. Meanwhile, Marxist Dems Special Counsel Jack Smith told the federal

00:01:42.940 court in Washington that he and his prosecutors want Trump's January 6th trial to begin on January

00:01:49.600 2nd of 2024, making clear once again, as if there were any doubt, that Smith's intention and that

00:01:57.060 of the Biden regime is to interfere in the 2024 presidential election. That trial date would be a

00:02:04.300 week before the Iowa caucus. The special counsel's request comes as new revelations that the January

00:02:11.320 6th committee itself destroyed its records, documents, data and videos. All of it. The committee

00:02:18.520 defied defying Speaker Kevin McCarthy's order that they preserve all records, evidence and

00:02:23.340 transcripts. President Trump outraged to say the least. Here's what he had to say. Quote,

00:02:29.920 The January 6th unselect committee got rid of everything. Discarded, deleted, thrown out. A

00:02:36.780 flagrant violation of the law. They had so much to hide. And now that I have subpoena power,

00:02:42.460 they didn't want to get caught. They knew exactly what they were doing. An egregious criminal

00:02:48.240 act and blatant disregard of the law. Can you imagine if I would have done such a thing?

00:02:55.740 End quote. Well, President Biden, impaired, compromised and a mere puppet of the Marxist

00:03:01.700 Dems did nothing whatsoever when the communist Chinese and Russian navies sent their warships

00:03:07.940 combined near Alaska. President Biden didn't utter even a mutter of protest. Joining us now to take

00:03:16.180 up all of this is leading China expert, our good friend Gordon Chang. Gordon, welcome. Great to have

00:03:21.660 you back with us. Thanks so much. Tony Schaefer is on the road and will rejoin us next week.

00:03:27.280 Gordon, let's start with China and the joint Sino-Russian Navy provocation off the coast of

00:03:33.320 Alaska, clearly showing off their joint military strength. What is the message here?

00:03:37.940 The assertion of joint military strength is a warning to us. If there's a war in Asia,

00:03:44.400 we won't be facing just China. We'll be facing China with its friends. And those friends include

00:03:50.500 Russia and North Korea. So, for instance, if China were to attack Taiwan, you can see the Russians go

00:03:58.040 after Japan in the Northern Islands and the Kurils. And as well, I think that the North Koreans would either

00:04:05.100 go after Japan or South Korea or both. So, really what we're talking about is a general

00:04:12.300 conflagration in East Asia. And by the way, it's not just Taiwan. At this moment, we have China with

00:04:19.380 some extremely belligerent actions at Second Thomas Cheol in the South China Sea. So belligerent that on

00:04:26.340 Saturday, the State Department actually issued a warning that the United States was prepared to use

00:04:32.000 force to protect our Philippine ally. That's how serious the South China Sea is at this moment.

00:04:38.200 The South China Sea, we have been building to these moments for the last number of years,

00:04:44.720 certainly the last five years. And no one obviously can predict where we go. But nonetheless,

00:04:51.040 I will ask you this. Where do you think this is heading? Because I detect both in your voice and

00:04:57.540 objectively what you're saying, as you are deeply concerned here.

00:05:02.740 I'm extremely concerned, Lou. And the reason is, we know that Xi Jinping can't stop talking about war.

00:05:09.740 Also, we know what he's doing. He's engaged in the fastest military buildup since the Second World War.

00:05:15.700 He's trying to sanction proof his regime. He is mobilizing China's civilians for war. He's stockpiling

00:05:22.760 grain and other commodities. He's serving the United States for nuclear weapons strikes. And he's 0.60

00:05:28.960 purging the Chinese military of officers who are opposed to going to war. You know, as Henry Kissinger

00:05:35.080 said on June 7th, and I almost never agree with Kissinger, but this time I will. On June 7th,

00:05:40.760 he told Bloomberg that war between the United States and China is probable. Then he said something has to

00:05:48.180 change. Well, the Chinese aren't changing. And the Biden administration is continuing with policies 0.87

00:05:53.860 that they think will prevent war, but actually are accelerating it. We have to be extremely concerned,

00:05:59.940 Lou. And the Biden administration, for the first time since this president has been in the Oval Office,

00:06:08.340 has actually gone against the Chinese, has warned them, and has withdrawn ever so slightly, but

00:06:16.660 significantly from the coupling in terms of technology. Your thoughts on that?

00:06:23.860 Yes. Because we know that on Wednesday, Biden issued his executive order. This order on prohibiting

00:06:35.300 investment into certain Chinese tech sectors has too many holes in it. And also, it's a delaying tactic

00:06:42.160 because it's not the issuance of prohibitions. It's really the announcement of rulemaking authority,

00:06:48.160 and nobody thinks these rules will go into effect until next year. It is a step in the right direction,

00:06:53.920 and we need to put political pressure on the president and Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo 0.89

00:06:59.600 to actually issue some extremely tough rules. We know the Chinese have gotten a lot of our artificial 1.00

00:07:06.960 intelligence technology. They're using Nvidia and other American chips to power their AI and their other

00:07:15.600 initiatives. So, yes, we need to stop this. President Trump started this process. President Biden

00:07:22.720 doesn't really want to do that much, unfortunately, and we need to put pressure on him so that he completes

00:07:29.440 the job. Two issues arise from what you just said. One is that this is a weak response designed by the

00:07:39.440 Biden administration effectively to be disinformation to the American people, to be a deceit

00:07:46.480 in response to the Chinese. Or secondly, it seems we might also explore whether or not

00:07:53.280 this is posturing and theatrics on the part of Xi Jinping because the Chinese are masters of 1.00

00:08:02.800 disinformation and deceit when it comes to their military choices. And by the way, just pure relationship

00:08:13.680 choices when it comes to the West, right? Yes. You know, on your first point,

00:08:17.920 the people were expecting this executive order last year. And the Biden administration has been

00:08:25.360 delaying and delaying and delaying. They've been consulting industry, which is not a sin in itself.

00:08:30.640 But then they've got a proposed rulemaking, which means more consultations with industry,

00:08:35.680 which means that the Biden administration is not particularly serious about these rules. And we know

00:08:42.560 that all these, as I said, it's good that they're there in a sense, but there's just too many holes

00:08:49.040 in this. We Americans, and this is not just a Biden problem, but this is an American problem.

00:08:54.960 We Americans have a firm distinction between civil and military, and it just pervades our thinking.

00:09:02.000 In China, they don't. There is no distinction. There's this doctrine of military-civil fusion where

00:09:07.200 the military gets everything it wants. Everybody is subject to the dictates of the Communist Party.

00:09:13.920 And if we're going to have investment restrictions, we need to have restrictions that cover every

00:09:18.960 Chinese party, not just particular ones, which the Biden administration is trying to do.

00:09:24.720 You know, with regard to your second point on Chinese deception, Chinese deception goes back to 0.84

00:09:30.160 the warring states period, you know, like three millennia ago. And so the Communist Party is,

00:09:36.160 in a sense, you could say nothing new. But the point is, with this war posturing, it can create

00:09:42.000 facts on the ground. So for instance, these dangerous intercepts of planes and ships in the

00:09:47.040 global commons, one of those could easily spiral into war. Also, right now in the Chinese political

00:09:53.680 system, only the most hostile answers are considered to be acceptable, which means that if something

00:09:58.880 happens, even something minor, it can very well spiral out of control because of what's

00:10:04.400 occurring in Beijing. You put all this together, Lou, and we have an administration that is oblivious.

00:10:11.120 Very little sense of urgency in the Oval Office, very little sense of urgency at the top of the Pentagon.

00:10:17.440 And that, in a perverse way, may be a good thing, because the last thing that we would want is 1.00

00:10:26.880 aggressive stupidity and ineptitude. And what we have is stupidity and ineptitude, as well as the darkest 1.00

00:10:35.440 corrupt forces that we have ever had in our presidential administration in this country's history. 0.99

00:10:41.840 So I'm frankly conflicted about what I want this administration to do. It is a frightening concept

00:10:51.680 to think that this impaired puppet of a president is the commander in chief, irrespective of whether 0.84

00:10:58.000 we go to war. But in the case of war, it's unthinkable.

00:11:01.680 Yes. And by the way, if we put aside Biden's intentions for the moment, we can see what he is

00:11:09.360 doing is accelerating war. He's issuing a lot of hollow warnings. The Chinese know those warnings 1.00

00:11:16.480 are hollow. They are therefore acting more aggressively. And so really what we are seeing

00:11:22.000 on the belligerence of Xi Jinping can be directly traced in large measure to Biden policies.

00:11:30.000 You know, that's a long conversation. But the point is, you're absolutely right about that.

00:11:34.400 We need a Ronald Reagan. We need someone who means what he says, who backs up his words,

00:11:40.000 and who speaks in many times softly. We didn't go to war with the Soviet Union.

00:11:46.560 That's because Reagan had the right playbook. Biden is making every single mistake in the book.

00:11:53.440 We're going to take this up further with Gordon Chang, as we discuss China's intentions and

00:12:01.120 possible strategies going forward. And what in the world is the United States of America to do

00:12:08.720 with Joe Biden as commander in chief in these perilous times?

00:12:13.440 The Great America Show continues in just one moment. Please stay with us.

00:12:16.960 We're back. Thanks for staying with us. And we're talking with Gordon Chang. I believe the country's

00:12:29.280 preeminent expert on China and the entire Indo-Pacific and Southeast Asia region of the world.

00:12:37.280 Gordon, thanks, of course, for being here. China's plan seems to be in part,

00:12:45.360 aside from the military threats that are ominous, as you suggest. There is certainly a plan on the

00:12:52.160 part of the Chinese to take down the United States dollar, to take down U.S. markets and indeed our 0.95

00:12:59.440 economy. Give us your thinking on that threat. Well, first of all, we got to remember that the

00:13:05.280 Communist Party views the U.S. as an existential threat, not because of anything that we say or do,

00:13:10.640 but because of who we are, because you have an insecure regime in Beijing, is worried about the

00:13:17.520 inspirational impact of our values and our form of governance on the Chinese people. And that regime 1.00

00:13:23.680 in Beijing right now is extremely insecure. You know, after these floods, it was very clear the

00:13:30.800 Chinese people are not having any of it with the Communist Party anymore. And especially with that 0.99

00:13:36.560 series of protests that began last October and continued through this year, Chinese people

00:13:43.840 right now are in a revolutionary mood. Now, they're not at the moment creating a revolution because of the

00:13:51.360 totalitarian control Xi Jinping has put in place. But China very much is a volatile society. And we know

00:14:00.240 this not only from what we're seeing from the Chinese people, but we're seeing basically China fall into

00:14:07.280 an economic collapse. So that is another factor that is making China really dangerous at this moment.

00:14:16.320 Dangerous. And how do you think, give us some sense of your thinking on the dollar and the efforts by

00:14:26.320 China to supplant the dollar, whether it be with digital currency, whether it be

00:14:33.520 with the one there and be, you know, as a substitute? I can't imagine it being successful,

00:14:42.640 whatever the strategy is, but you're thinking on it.

00:14:45.360 Yeah, certainly if we go back nine months, there was an intensified push by Xi Jinping to attack the dollar.

00:14:51.920 There was this idea of a common BRICS currency. The BRICS organization is Brazil, Russia, India,

00:14:59.280 China, South Africa. And Beijing was pushing the idea of a common currency for that grouping.

00:15:07.760 Also, we just saw from Chinese propaganda its attack on the dollar. And it was malicious and it was 0.62

00:15:14.720 constant every day since that time. And this goes to your point about China not being successful.

00:15:22.960 The Chinese currency is in a swoon. It passed the seven to one link, seven UN to one US dollar.

00:15:33.920 People are now talking about a massive devaluation in China as the only way out for the country.

00:15:39.200 So their plans on supplanting the dollar are on hold. But nonetheless, we have seen their intentions.

00:15:45.280 And when they are able to write their society, if they can, and I actually don't think they can,

00:15:50.480 but if they can, they're going to go after the greenback again, because we've seen this time and

00:15:55.600 time again, Lou, the Chinese want to knock out the dollar and replace it with the renminbi. 0.83

00:16:01.360 And by the way, they have at least a tacit support globally, not uniformly or wholly,

00:16:11.280 but certain nations would be delighted for BRICS to succeed. And we also understand that this is an

00:16:19.360 alliance not only of economies and currencies, but it is an alliance of ideological, I think,

00:16:28.160 if not soulmates, at least compatriots. Would you not agree?

00:16:31.840 I certainly agree. You know, when I look at the B part of the BRICS, the Biden administration worked

00:16:40.880 very hard to elect Lula in the beginning, at the end of last year, who is a leftist. And what did Lula do

00:16:48.240 to pay back the friendship and the support of President Biden? Well, Lula went to Beijing,

00:16:55.360 criticized the US, you know, has been talking about all sorts of ways of ditching the dollar.

00:17:02.000 You know, fortunately, Brazil and China have their own differences. So they may not be able to, 1.00

00:17:08.000 you know, China may not be able to corral Brazil the way China thinks. But nonetheless,

00:17:13.440 this was absolutely unnecessary. We see in the Middle East, we see in North Africa,

00:17:19.360 a Biden administration that is supporting America's traditional enemies and, you know,

00:17:26.000 snubbing our friends. And that's why American policy in many parts of the world is just in collapse.

00:17:33.520 This is a man-made collapse, the man being in the Oval Office, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Northwest,

00:17:40.880 Washington, D.C. Yeah. As you as you just survey any part of the globe right now, you see some

00:17:50.560 engagement, some involvement and sometimes greater energy on the part of the Chinese than ever before.

00:17:58.400 Sending, as President Biden has, another 3000 troops to the Middle East, primarily to be there to

00:18:06.000 escort ships in the Persian Gulf and through the Red Sea. The thinking to me on this by the

00:18:17.920 administration is pedestrian at best for foreign policy. It's reflexive and makes not a lick of sense

00:18:25.360 because I'm not really sure who are supposed to be our friends in the Middle East at this very moment.

00:18:31.840 Is Saudi Arabia such a nation? Its actions of late have certainly not been so.

00:18:40.480 Who is it we're supporting right now in the Middle East and whose interest?

00:18:44.800 We're supporting Iran. We're supporting Algeria. And in where it counts, which Nigeria and other parts 0.89

00:18:52.480 of North Africa, which are on fire, we're just not there. We're allowing China and Russia to take over 1.00

00:19:00.640 North Africa. You know, you talked about Saudi Arabia, which I think is instructive. You know,

00:19:05.760 President Trump had great relations with Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince, MBS. Biden, when he was

00:19:12.960 running for president, campaigned on making MBS a pariah over the Khashoggi murder. And that's a complicated

00:19:19.680 issue. But the point is now MBS is doing all he can to usher China into the region and to push us out.

00:19:30.320 And this is this is, of course, serious because it has all sorts of implications. But we do not want

00:19:37.760 China and Iran as the major powers in the Middle East because they are up to, as you can imagine, 1.00

00:19:44.000 no good, including spreading nuclear weapons and ballistic missile technology. So this is a disaster

00:19:51.440 that was created by Biden. The other disaster, which will be tomorrow's, is Morocco and Algeria.

00:19:57.840 Morocco, I think, was the first country in the world to recognize the United States.

00:20:04.000 Morocco is a U.S. friend, has been consistently over the course of centuries.

00:20:10.560 And we are now helping Algeria take apart Morocco. President Trump was great. He recognized

00:20:19.600 Morocco's claims to the Western Sahara. I know this is getting a little weedy,

00:20:23.280 but this is tomorrow's crisis. And we had a great relationship with Morocco. Now we don't, 0.79

00:20:30.160 thanks to the guy at the Oval Office. What did Biden do that to rupture such a relationship?

00:20:38.480 Biden has, first of all, President Trump, first of all, we recognized during the Trump years,

00:20:46.960 Morocco sovereignty over the Western Sahara. And we promised to put our consulate in Dakla,

00:20:54.880 which is a strategic port on the Atlantic Ocean. The Biden administration is not opening up that

00:21:01.280 consulate despite our promise to do so. We saw Barbara Leaf at the State Department praise Algeria 0.57

00:21:08.640 for its support of the Palestinians. We are getting pro-Palestinian, pro-Algerian statements out of the

00:21:15.360 State Department all the time. And Morocco is extremely concerned. Remember, Morocco signed one of

00:21:22.160 those Abraham Accords with Israel. That was a great diplomatic triumph. In a fair world, President

00:21:28.400 Trump would have got the Nobel Peace Prize for it. But of course, this isn't a fair world if your last

00:21:33.440 name begins with a T and ends with a P. Yeah. It is really amazing how destructive

00:21:43.360 every policy of this administration has been from the inception, whether it's the Keystone Pipeline to

00:21:50.480 foreign policy unmitigated disasters around the globe. It is not only his reach to our enemies.

00:22:02.160 And I'm talking about China. I'm talking about Iran. But we have to remember, you said this originated

00:22:07.920 with Biden. And I really think much of this is the third term of Barack Obama. There is so much apologia.

00:22:16.960 There is so much destructiveness in it and a denial of our exceptionalism,

00:22:24.480 but also a denial of our global interest as the United States. We're going to take all of this up

00:22:30.960 with Gordon Chang when we continue here in just a moment. Stay with us.

00:22:34.560 We're back with Gordon Chang. Thanks for staying with us. And let me go to the point. This administration

00:22:47.120 of the first hundred hires, 70 were Obama, former Obama officials. This is in every way,

00:22:56.480 it seems to me, to be that third term that Barack Obama himself spoke of as leading from behind.

00:23:05.520 He's moving more to the forefront, don't you think?

00:23:08.640 Yes, I think so. But, you know, whatever is going on in this black box of the White House,

00:23:16.080 we know that the administration is pursuing policies that directly undermine the United States.

00:23:23.760 You know, just to give you an example, you mentioned the Keystone Pipeline a few moments ago.

00:23:29.440 You know, Biden campaigned saying, well, you know, Trump didn't talk to our allies. He upset them.

00:23:36.160 Well, the first thing that one of the first things that Biden did when he took over was he canceled the

00:23:42.880 Keystone Pipeline. It made Ottawa furious at us. I mean, Canada, I think, is an important ally.

00:23:50.640 And we share a long undefended border with them. We shouldn't be irritating them unnecessarily.

00:23:57.440 And this is just an example of the anti-American policies that Biden has followed. You know,

00:24:04.160 we can say whether it's Obama or not. I tend to think it is, but I'm not in Biden's head. But this

00:24:09.440 is really serious, Lou. Well, I think that one of those fortunate happenstances is not being in Joe

00:24:15.760 Biden's head. That's that seems like hostile and dangerous territory. Indeed, they can territory.

00:24:22.640 Absolutely. I think it's pretty clear that Obama has immense influence. We were talking earlier

00:24:30.880 about reaching out to Iran to get them the bomb for God. I mean, good grief. I mean, what are we 0.69

00:24:38.720 thinking to see this perpetuated through this administration after President Trump had sealed

00:24:45.920 the deal to not go forward and to protect U.S. interest? America first. You can't find an America 0.74

00:24:54.400 first strategic policy and result anywhere in this administration in the over two and a half years

00:25:02.480 it's been in office, can you? No. And, you know, whatever label we put on it, America first or

00:25:08.080 whatever, Trump's foreign policies were extraordinarily successful, whether we're talking about the Middle

00:25:14.640 East or elsewhere. We had a great relationship in the Middle East. We had Iran back into a box. And when 0.99

00:25:22.000 Biden came in pursuing these Obama policies, what we did was we disheartened the Gulf Cooperation

00:25:29.760 Council countries. We disheartened Saudi Arabia and we opened the door for China to come in and commit 0.99

00:25:37.200 all sorts of acts of mischief in the region, especially with China supporting Iranian initiatives 0.99

00:25:45.520 and backing Iran with cash and much of this done out of the sight of the international community.

00:25:52.080 So, yeah, this is this is Obama policies in the Middle East and they weren't successful during Obama's

00:25:58.480 years and they've been disastrous in the Biden years. Absolutely disastrous.

00:26:04.160 And a lot of our discussion today has been about geopolitics, as it would be, and the threats,

00:26:12.080 the military threats, the existential threats that China now poses to much of the world, but certainly 1.00

00:26:18.640 to the United States. And it has now the capacity to carry out many of those threats. We find so much of

00:26:27.840 the insinuation of the Chinese interest in this country, whether it be the president of the United States

00:26:33.760 drawing down the strategic petroleum reserves. That's debilitating to begin with. It is with, in my opinion,

00:26:42.080 it is an act that has to be investigated. But the national media did nothing. The Republicans did nothing

00:26:50.320 and except carp, which is ineffective to begin with. This is the farmland that's being bought up. The

00:26:59.120 strategic real estate that's being bought up near our some of our most sensitive military bases

00:27:06.000 and defense bases in the country. And now we have just one little story. China has a bio lab in

00:27:13.520 California. And I don't see articles or commentators exploring how many more are there and what are

00:27:22.720 the relationships? And how is it that we were actually giving China money to carry out a black 0.99

00:27:32.080 operation within our own country with dangerous biochemical warfare agents?

00:27:40.160 Yes. The illicit lab in Reedley, California, near Fresno, had at least 20 pathogens. Pathogens

00:27:50.240 versus 20 separate diseases and probably a lot more because they couldn't catalog them all. Also,

00:27:56.560 there were almost a thousand mice that had been engineered to transmit disease. And there were chemical,

00:28:03.120 viral, biological agents there galore. This is extremely serious because

00:28:10.160 as you point out, this is probably not the only facility that China has in the United States.

00:28:16.400 This gets even more important because we have Chinese saboteurs coming across our southern border. 1.00

00:28:24.880 We have noticed packs of males, Chinese males of military age, groups of five to 15 coming across our

00:28:32.640 border, unaccompanied by family members pretending not to speak English. Border Patrol knows that some of

00:28:40.080 these individuals have known links have known links to the Chinese military. And they're being

00:28:45.440 released into our country when we're not tracking them. We don't know exactly how many are here,

00:28:51.040 Lou, but I would suspect that it's numbers about increases like a hundred or so every day. So we're

00:28:57.840 talking about a number in the thousands. And these individuals will link up with these biological weapons 0.87

00:29:04.640 labs in the US to spread disease. They'll be doing other things as well, blowing up our grid,

00:29:11.920 poisoning our water, spreading wildfires, creating terror in shopping malls. We haven't really thought

00:29:18.960 through this, but we know that a Biden administration is not paying attention.

00:29:22.000 It's not paying attention or it's complicit and is supportive of those Chinese initiatives in our

00:29:31.520 own country. Which do you think it really is? Yeah. Whatever it is, it's exceedingly dangerous.

00:29:38.640 And it happens at a time when we have unprecedented number of Chinese coming across our border. And 0.92

00:29:44.400 99% of the Chinese are who they say they are. They're just desperate to leave China. Well, 1.00

00:29:50.160 that tells us that Xi Jinping is probably desperate himself because his country is falling apart.

00:29:56.960 And while his country is falling apart, he is gathering the means to attack America from American 0.97

00:30:03.600 soil. And so we won't, you know, we won't know when war started because probably war will start from

00:30:11.440 those biological weapons facilities you mentioned, that they'll spread disease in the weeks or months 0.76

00:30:16.400 before an anticipated conflict. That is to hobble the American population. We saw what COVID-19 did 0.50

00:30:23.200 because of government shutting down American society, plus all the other things. So Lou,

00:30:29.920 on the first day of fighting in Asia, there's going to be fighting on American soil. This will be the

00:30:34.640 first time since the war of 1812 that Americans have fought a prolonged engagement on their own homeland.

00:30:42.000 And without any effort on the part of this administration, or frankly, any previous

00:30:46.880 administration to create a successful, strong civilian militia to have a strong civil service agency for

00:31:02.160 whether it be for self-defense, whether it be for defense against an enemy that is attacking the

00:31:07.840 United States, we are singularly unprepared. Wantonly so on the part of this administration,

00:31:15.040 in my opinion, because the science are, as you have vividly described them here today, unmistakable.

00:31:23.840 Yes. And let's remember civil defense, as you point out, is critical. The only reason that we know about

00:31:31.680 that Chinese lab in Reedley, California, is because a building inspector happened to be driving

00:31:37.680 by. And he noticed that a hose was connected to in a building which was supposed to be abandoned.

00:31:44.160 But for a sharp eyed building inspector, that operation would still be going on today. And so

00:31:51.200 it's up to us as Americans to defend our own country, because obviously we have a president

00:31:56.400 who doesn't want to. So at least until while Biden's in office, it's going to be up to us to protect

00:32:03.360 ourselves. Gordon is always a fascinating discussion with you. Thanks so much for being with us here

00:32:09.120 today. We always give our guests the last word. Your concluding thoughts, Gordon, if you will.

00:32:13.840 Lou, it is, you know, a particularly dangerous time in history because we have a malicious state

00:32:24.240 assaulting us. We have a president who's not protecting us. We have the Chinese threatening the 1.00

00:32:30.320 use of nuclear weapons. So this is the most dangerous time in history. People will point to

00:32:35.280 the Cuban Missile Crisis or the Checkpoint Charlie Crisis of 61 and 62 as being more dangerous. They

00:32:41.520 look more dangerous on the outside, but we know from the archives that neither Khrushchev nor Kennedy

00:32:46.800 were willing to use nukes. I'm afraid that Xi Jinping and maybe even Vladimir Putin would use their

00:32:52.800 most destructive weapons. So it's going to be up to us to get through a very, very difficult and

00:33:00.080 consequential moment. Gordon Chang, thanks so much. We appreciate it. God bless you, Gordon.

00:33:06.160 God bless you, Lou, and thank you so much. Gordon Chang, a great American. And thanks for being with

00:33:11.840 us, Gordon. And thank you, everybody, for listening. Joining us Monday, our guest will be Lieutenant General

00:33:17.520 Keith Kellogg, retired former National Security Advisor to Mike Pence and to President Trump. Kellogg,

00:33:24.320 who also served President Trump on his National Security Council. He just endorsed President

00:33:29.440 President Trump over the former Vice President Mike Pence. Please join us Monday. You don't want

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00:33:39.600 at Lou Dobbs Tonight. Our website is loudobs.com. Hope you'll join us here Monday. Till then,

00:33:46.880 thanks. God bless you, and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - August 11, 2023

CHINA MEANS WAR

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