CIA & FBI STOLE 2020 ELECTION
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Mack Warner is a 6th generation West Virginian who served 27 years in the U.S. Army. He is now running for Governor of West Virginia and is an interesting candidate to have on the ballot in the primary.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Good to have you
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with us. I hope you're in the Christmas spirit and I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas.
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Our guest today is West Virginia's Secretary of State, Mack Warner. He's running for governor
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and he is an interesting candidate indeed and I think when you hear him, you will agree.
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Mack, great to have you with us. I'm delighted to be talking with you.
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Let's start with why you decided you wanted to be governor.
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Well, I love West Virginia. That's the bottom line. I served 27 years in uniform and I could
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have lived anywhere pretty much in the United States or even the world. But I chose West
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Virginia. I was born and raised here. I'm a sixth generation West Virginia and I just
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love West Virginia. I see so much that can be done and I want to bring that experience that
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I've had in the military and across the globe back here to the state. I've had a great run
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as Secretary of State and done the things that I wanted to do over these last seven years
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and it's time to take that experience across state government.
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Well, good for you. And you've got some stiff competition in this primary that comes up in
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May. Where do you stand and how do you feel about it all?
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I feel great, Lou. What we've got is a very, there are four leading contenders in this race.
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We're all very close together with regards to the polling, but I've got a path to victory
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that the others don't. One, I've got the experience and the likability. I don't have
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the unfavorables that the other candidates do. So there's about 20% of undecideds that are still
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out there. And if I can simply reach those, then that likability factor that I bring to the table
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is going to win those over. So I see a great path to victory and we're out there every day
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getting after it to achieve that. Well, I can't resist asking this. What makes all of those
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competitors of yours so unlikable? Well, inexperience on a couple of them. And then
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another has come from out of state. He comes from New Jersey and he tries to play both sides of the
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fence. We've seen what's happening with Joe Manchin as Joe goes back and forth. Eventually that squirrel
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in the middle of the road gets run over. So one of the contenders is receiving lots of money from
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Club for Growth, which is an anti-Trump organization. But then he tries to say that
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he's the Trump candidate. Nothing can be further from the truth. So again, it gets back to just
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simply being honest with the people of West Virginia. They know who I am, born and raised,
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became an Eagle Scout, went to West Point, served my country and come home. That's something none of
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the others can do. I'm also the only one who's ever been a teacher. We have major issues with
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education in the state here. So I just bring a wealth of experience to the table that the others
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don't. Well, good for you. And you have a record of achievement that to be proud of and serving the
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nation as well. Certainly. And I want to take up education because that happens to be one of the
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things that I'm very concerned about in this country. And I think most people who have children
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and grandchildren certainly are as well. But I want to talk about something you recently said.
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You've served the people of West Virginia as Secretary of State. You've been intimately
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involved with their elections and making sure that electoral integrity was upheld there.
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The same can't be said for the rest of the country. How concerned are you about looking broadly
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around the country about where the nation is in terms of everything from 2020 to 2022,
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the questions that have arisen around voting, mail-in balloting and electronic voting?
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Well, thanks for that question, because that really strikes the heart of what this whole
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2024 election is going to be about. And that's voter confidence, election integrity, and so on.
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Since I've taken over as Secretary of State, we have removed over 400,000 names from the voter
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registration lists. And West Virginia is not a hard state. We only have about 1.1 million registered
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voters. So you can see the significance that that has for voter confidence that they know that their
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vote is not going to be canceled out by these 400,000 opportunities for fraud. Second, we implemented
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voter identification, and that's gone over smoothingly well. So people, again, have confidence. And we get
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election results out on election night. So people have confidence in that regard. They're not waiting a week
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or two down the road. So West Virginia has become a model for election integrity across the United States.
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I've been asked four times to testify in front of Congress about the success we've had in West Virginia
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and what we might do, best practices we might recommend to other states. So, yes, I am concerned about other
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states. I'm not in those states to challenge a specific aspect of their elections. But all I can say is
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look at the West Virginia model. I've worked with 55 county clerks very closely, many of whom are
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Democrat. I'm Republican. But the politics goes away when it comes to election integrity. And so we've
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worked together. I give the kudos to those county clerks for what we've accomplished. And that's what I
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would recommend to the other states. Follow the law. When you step outside the law, that's where the
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problem's in. When you count votes that have come in after the election is over or votes that haven't had
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their signatures or addresses verified, that sort of thing, or you put votes, ballots into drop boxes
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that are unsupervised that have not been authorized by the state legislature. I think that's the crux of
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security that needs to be addressed before the 2024 election. Just because the legislature hasn't said
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you can't do something doesn't mean that you can or you shouldn't. So I'm referring to those dropbox
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situations like what the Wisconsin state court did and said, we're not going to let drop boxes be used
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unless the legislature approves it. That's where we need to go. Yeah, absolutely. And that was a needed
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reform in Wisconsin, which, as you know, had a lot of trouble with the vote in 2020. A lot of questions
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in Georgia, another state that had trouble, Judge Amy Totenberg, I think, has shown more care and
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thought than any other judge in the country since 2020, in which she is looking at a trial, a bench
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trial without a jury, against Georgia's use of electronic voting machines. And we're going to see
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what's happening as I think it's going to be the 9th of January that she's holding that trial.
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It's to see electronic voting being questioned like this three years, and I won't get into the
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merits of the case and all of that, but that we would have questions about in any part of the country,
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the integrity of the election three years ago is just stunning to me. And it's outrageous to me.
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Your thoughts about that? Great question, and I'm glad you asked that because I'll answer the
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second half first. Why are we doing this three years after? Because it took the 2022 election
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for the Republicans to take control of the House of Representatives so that hearings could be held
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that looked back at the 2020 election. And so now I am very pleased that the judge is agreeing to hear
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something on the merits to look at whether there were significant problems there in Georgia.
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And so that's the appropriate place for this to be is at the court level where evidence can be introduced
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in front of a judge and she can make a determination as to whether things were appropriate or not.
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So the other aspect after that 2022 election was what happened in March when Jim Jordan,
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Congressman, House Judiciary Chair, put Acting Director, former Director Mike Morell under oath,
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and he admitted that they put forth this story to the American people about the Hunter Biden laptop.
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They labeled it as Russian disinformation when it wasn't. They perpetrated a lie on the American
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people. And we need to get to the bottom of that. We need to get to the bottom of these
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cases that are still percolating from the 2020 election. We should not be, as an election official,
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we should not be afraid of transparency, of sunshine to see what happened. That's the only way we're going
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to put this to rest so the people can have confidence in the 2024 election.
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We're talking with Mac Warner. He's the Secretary of State of the Great State of West Virginia.
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He's running for governor and we're going to take up all of that and more
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when we continue right after these words. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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We're back now with Secretary of State of the Great State of West Virginia, as I said,
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Mac Warner. He's running for governor. He's he has done a bang up job as Secretary of State
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in West Virginia. I want to turn to you said made a comment that really reverberated across the
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country when you said that the 2020 election, in your judgment, had been stolen by the CIA. I think
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a lot of people would like to know what what you're thinking. And and let's discuss that.
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Sure. What happened is when Congressman Jordan, House Judiciary Chair, put former acting director
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of the CIA, Mike Murrell, under oath, Mike Murrell said that the idea behind calling the Hunter Biden
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laptop Russian disinformation came from Tony Blinken, who was then working on the Biden campaign
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back in 2020. So the idea was planted by Blinken. And then Murrell ran with it. And these so-called
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intelligence experts, 51 of them, signed a letter that said this had all the indicia of Russian
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disinformation. So they were playing word games. And Blinken went to Murrell because he was using the
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credentials of the CIA to add authenticity to this claim when they knew for a fact that it was a lie,
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that they knew that the Hunter Biden laptop was real. And why did they know that? Because the FBI
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had had that laptop for 11 months and they knew that it was authentic. But once the CIA, these former
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directors, and I'm talking Hayden, Panetta, Clapper, Brennan, I mean, those are names that are synonymous
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with these three-lettered agencies. And so they put this letter out. Then the FBI covered it up. The FBI
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knew that the laptop was real. And I think they had an obligation to reveal that to the American
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people, that the laptop was real. This happened three weeks prior to the election. The New York
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Post came out with a story. Five days later, on October 19th of 2020, the letter came out. And then
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the worst part is Biden used that in the debate right before the election against Trump. Trump
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didn't have time to do the fact-checking and throw it back. So the people went to the polls
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thinking that the Hunter Biden laptop had been hacked by the Russian, when in fact,
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our own three-lettered agencies were lying to the American people. That's where I really get upset
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about this. For 27 years, I raised my hand and sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the
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United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I'd never had to worry about domestic
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enemies until that moment. Now I'm more concerned about our three-lettered agencies lying to us
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and covering up a fraud than I am about Russia, China, and other countries. I expect them to hack.
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I don't expect our three-lettered agencies to throw a presidential election. And I say thrown
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because Morrell testified under oath. He did it for the express purpose of helping Biden,
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and he did not want to see Trump as president. That's why I say that election was thrown. It was
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stolen. And we cannot have that happen again. I couldn't agree with you more. I have, and I feel
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precisely the same way about the sequence of events and the actors in it. It is just,
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to me, I was gut sick when I realized what that statement, 51 intel veterans, including five
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heads of the CIA, had to marry to lie to the American people, just to spit in their face and
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lie at them. And the impact of, I'm sorry, go ahead. And before we leave that, the FBI covered it up,
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they let that go, and then it got worse. Both of those agencies sent agents to Facebook and other
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social media. One, in Twitter, they took President Trump off, so they were starting to impinge on
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First Amendment rights of free speech. But they went to Zuckerberg and told him to suppress the
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story because it was probably Russian disinformation. And Mark Zuckerberg has admitted to this on the
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Joe Rogan show that the FBI did want them to suppress the story. So it gets worse than just the initial
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lie, the cover-up, and now it's the suppressing of the story. That's why that election was stolen.
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Yeah. And Mark Zuckerberg still hasn't been held accountable for the 400-plus million dollars that
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he spent in 2020 to drive Democratic votes. I'm sorry?
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Yeah. He was driving people to the polls in those specific swing cities, swing precincts in those
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states to throw the election. He was putting that thumb on the scale. When we talk about free and
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Yeah. And it certainly wasn't free. They were throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at it
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all from the left, though. At least we knew the source. Mac, as we talk about this,
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we have so many areas where voting can go wrong. We have electronic voting. What is your judgment
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about integrity of electronic voting, or does it vary from company to company and from jurisdiction to
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jurisdiction? It absolutely does. From company to company, from state to state, different states
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have different laws. That's what we're seeing in the Georgia case. So yes, the key to this,
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Lou, is transparency. These election officials should not be stiff-arming the people who want
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to look at the ballots, look at the machines. They should do it with open arms and say, please,
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come show if there were problems where those problems are, so we correct them in the future.
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But instead, we've seen from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, court to court,
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stiff-arming the people that want transparency. And that's why there's such a shout for paper
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ballots. Paper ballots have their own challenges, but we've got to fix this insecurity and unsureness,
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its voter confidence in those machines. And right now, there isn't much confidence.
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Well, you've been elected to two terms as Secretary of State. You have run one of the most admirable
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and respected electoral systems in the country. I have a hard time understanding why, and I've been
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covering this for two decades, going back to the adoption of Hava, the early voting machine companies
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that had so much trouble initially. Why is there not transparency? And by that, I mean,
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why is it that secretaries of state, election boards at the county and precinct level, why they
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cannot be shown what is inside that black box and how they're getting to those numbers? Because it's
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not happening anywhere. Nobody gets to see that proprietary stuff that's sitting inside those
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black boxes. It reminds me of the monkeys, you know, in something that Arthur C. Clark would come up
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with the looking, staring at the monolith. You know, you don't know what it is, but you have to respect it
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for the good of the country. I mean, it's crazy.
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It is, Lou. First of all, people don't want the Secretary of State and election officials don't want
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any aspersions being cast upon them. They're afraid of what somebody might find. And especially if there is
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cheating going on, they certainly don't want that exposed. But they also want to rush through this,
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get the certification, wash their hands of it and say nothing to see here, move on. Or they use that
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phrase, there wasn't evidence of widespread voting fraud. Well, it doesn't have to be widespread.
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If we have seven swing states that are determining the outcome of a presidential election and you have
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seven key counties or cities, and I'm talking Fulton County, Georgia, we're talking Philadelphia,
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Pennsylvania, Michigan, Maricopa County, certainly in Arizona. All you have to do is affect those machines
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or cause problems in those areas, printing the wrong size ballot, having the ballots get jammed.
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And where people traditionally, the Republicans like voting on election day. So if you jam machines
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on election day, you got a problem. So the Democrats like voting by mail. And you saw the
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Russ Mussen report just a week ago that said 20% of the people who voted by mail admitted that they did
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something improper and up to 10% took money for it. That's just outright fraud. And there again,
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we shouldn't be counting votes outside the law. We should be very strict with those absentee ballots,
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making sure that they're signed and notoriety if they need to be, that there are proper addresses.
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We're not sending 200 of them to one address, which has happened. We need to be transparent about
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this, Lou, to get to the bottom of your question.
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Well, thank you very much for that, Mac. And we're going to take up exactly some of the issues facing
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you as you contemplate the governorship of West Virginia, in particular, the role of big money,
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big PACs in our elections, and, well, big energy. And oh, yeah, big green as well. We're talking with
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Mac Warner, candidate for governor of the great state of West Virginia. We'll be right back. Stay
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with us. We're back now with gubernatorial candidate for the great state of West Virginia,
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Mac Warner. And Mac, I want to start with a big fellow in your state, Senator Joe Manchin. He's
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playing Hamlet right now. I don't know exactly what his plans are, but apparently they're going
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to be interesting for you. Give us a sense of what problems this is creating in West Virginia
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politically now that we're in the middle of the 2024 cycle.
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Well, it's not causing any problems because Joe Manchin has finally decided to retire from the
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Senate, which is going to be good for the state of West Virginia. It's playing the middle of the road,
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but then always voting for people like Schumer and the liberal Supreme Court justices. It hasn't
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worked out. It's been out of step with the people of West Virginia. So this is a good thing. Now,
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whether he runs for president or not remains to be seen, but he knows that he can't win a Democrat
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primary. He knows he can't win a Republican primary. So he's fiddling with this idea of running down the
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middle of the road. And the problem with that is he can't win. No third-party candidates won for
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president. And so he knows the history. So he wants to change the game. So you'll hear more out of him
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talking about rank choice voting and same-day voting, same-day registration, these sorts of
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ideas to change the nature of the game, even getting rid of the electoral college, those sorts of things.
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We can't afford to change the rules of the game. This has worked well for us for 200 and some years
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as a country. The best system is a two-party system, and that's what we've got. And that's where we
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need to let the people decide who is going to be the next president through the normal election
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Yeah, I asked the people of Alaska how they like the ranked election approach. It's understandable,
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and it's always the Marxist nims who want to change things. You can go in with your eyes closed,
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whatever. They come up with all sorts of crazy nonsense, and they got away with it in 2020. But
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I hope that that is at an end. I want to get your thoughts also on your primary. How much money,
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out-of-state money, is coming into West Virginia to support your rivals and competitors? And what
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Well, first of all, the main rival, or one of the main rivals, received quite a bit of outside
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money to run against Joe Manchin in 2018. So his name ID is extremely high. Now they're coming
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back again with $10 million from the Club for Growth, which is an anti-Trump organization,
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to keep him out of the U.S. Senate race, because they already have a very conservative
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candidate in that, in Alex Mooney running against Jim Justice. So a third person in that race would
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have moneyed the water. So they've offered him this money. He's running for governor. It's very
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difficult to run against $10 million from outside money. But I just don't want the people of West
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Virginia to be deceived that he is the Trump candidate because Trump won this state by 40
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some points. This is a very conservative state, a very religious state, family-oriented state.
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Those are the values that I bring to the table, that Trump brings to the table. And that's what
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the people of West Virginia need to be making their decision on, not being influenced by getting a card
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every week, sometimes several times a week from this outside entity, playing up, photoshopped the
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candidate next to Trump. We simply shouldn't be taken by that. What has happened? West Virginia
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has turned from extremely Democrat to extremely Republican in a very short period of time. About
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seven or eight years, this transition has occurred. And so what has happened is we're aligning the people
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with the politics, with our conservative family values nature. So that Democrat party has gone so far
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to the left off the charts with woke agendas, climate change, all that. The Democratic party
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left West Virginia a long time ago, and we've now aligned our people with the politics. And that's why
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this decision for the governor is going to be made in May. Whoever wins that primary will be the next
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governor. And at this point, I have to say that I believe the West Virginians have a very
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good candidate that they could choose. I think they will choose in May. And I'm particularly impressed
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with your well-reasoned and America first view of the issues. And I admire that. I respect it in all
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our leaders. And of course, that brings up Donald Trump, President of the United States. Has he endorsed
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you at this point? He is not, but I would certainly welcome that endorsement. The key, though, is
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the values that President Trump brought to America, put us back on top of the world. Our enemies feared
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us. They were always concerned about him ready to stand up for our values across the world, trade,
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that sort of thing. And then look what's happened in three short years. And perhaps due to a stolen
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election, we're now having to live with Biden, the Inflation Reduction Act, the inflation has gone
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berserk, trying to buy groceries right now, gas. Just imagine what it was, $1.87 for a gallon of gas
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when Trump left office versus what we're paying now. They spiked gas up at $4 and $5. And when it gets
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down to $3.50, now everybody thinks, oh, that's good because it's dropped. No, it's bad. If we brought
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Trump back, we'd have energy independence. West Virginia is an energy producing state. We need
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to get government overreach off our back, government overregulation off of our back,
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produce energy. This is a national security issue. We mentioned earlier, I'm a retired military officer.
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All four of my children have served in the military. I don't want to be fighting in the Middle East over
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an oil transit through the Hormoz Strait or whatever. I want to have energy coming out of the ground here
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in West Virginia, producing it safely with all the proper, we can innovate our way out of any
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issues with regards to clean air and that sort of thing. We don't need to regulate ourselves,
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falsely regulate, because it really comes down to reliable energy and unreliable energy.
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Coal, oil, and gas are reliable energy sources, and that's what we need to power our manufacturing,
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Mack Warner, I want to just say it's been a delight talking with you. We appreciate it,
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and like I said, I think the people of West Virginia have got an outstanding choice for
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governor. I appreciate you being with us, and I wish you all the best of luck, and
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Thank you so much, Lou. It's been great being with you. People can find out more about me at
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MackWarner.com, and Merry Christmas to you and everybody listening.
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