The Great America Show - CIA & FBI STOLE 2020 ELECTION

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00:01:14.940 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Good to have you

00:01:22.300 with us. I hope you're in the Christmas spirit and I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas.

00:01:27.820 Our guest today is West Virginia's Secretary of State, Mack Warner. He's running for governor

00:01:33.480 and he is an interesting candidate indeed and I think when you hear him, you will agree.

00:01:39.080 Mack, great to have you with us. I'm delighted to be talking with you.

00:01:42.240 Let's start with why you decided you wanted to be governor.

00:01:45.960 Well, I love West Virginia. That's the bottom line. I served 27 years in uniform and I could

00:01:50.940 have lived anywhere pretty much in the United States or even the world. But I chose West

00:01:55.360 Virginia. I was born and raised here. I'm a sixth generation West Virginia and I just

00:01:59.420 love West Virginia. I see so much that can be done and I want to bring that experience that

00:02:04.080 I've had in the military and across the globe back here to the state. I've had a great run

00:02:08.660 as Secretary of State and done the things that I wanted to do over these last seven years

00:02:12.040 and it's time to take that experience across state government.

00:02:15.640 Well, good for you. And you've got some stiff competition in this primary that comes up in

00:02:20.900 May. Where do you stand and how do you feel about it all?

00:02:26.900 I feel great, Lou. What we've got is a very, there are four leading contenders in this race.

00:02:32.720 We're all very close together with regards to the polling, but I've got a path to victory

00:02:37.500 that the others don't. One, I've got the experience and the likability. I don't have

00:02:42.200 the unfavorables that the other candidates do. So there's about 20% of undecideds that are still

00:02:47.520 out there. And if I can simply reach those, then that likability factor that I bring to the table

00:02:53.720 is going to win those over. So I see a great path to victory and we're out there every day

00:02:58.040 getting after it to achieve that. Well, I can't resist asking this. What makes all of those

00:03:03.600 competitors of yours so unlikable? Well, inexperience on a couple of them. And then

00:03:09.740 another has come from out of state. He comes from New Jersey and he tries to play both sides of the

00:03:15.620 fence. We've seen what's happening with Joe Manchin as Joe goes back and forth. Eventually that squirrel

00:03:21.200 in the middle of the road gets run over. So one of the contenders is receiving lots of money from

00:03:27.920 Club for Growth, which is an anti-Trump organization. But then he tries to say that

00:03:31.700 he's the Trump candidate. Nothing can be further from the truth. So again, it gets back to just

00:03:36.900 simply being honest with the people of West Virginia. They know who I am, born and raised,

00:03:42.200 became an Eagle Scout, went to West Point, served my country and come home. That's something none of

00:03:46.680 the others can do. I'm also the only one who's ever been a teacher. We have major issues with

00:03:50.800 education in the state here. So I just bring a wealth of experience to the table that the others

00:03:55.840 don't. Well, good for you. And you have a record of achievement that to be proud of and serving the

00:04:04.220 nation as well. Certainly. And I want to take up education because that happens to be one of the

00:04:10.680 things that I'm very concerned about in this country. And I think most people who have children

00:04:15.740 and grandchildren certainly are as well. But I want to talk about something you recently said.

00:04:21.240 You've served the people of West Virginia as Secretary of State. You've been intimately

00:04:27.240 involved with their elections and making sure that electoral integrity was upheld there.

00:04:33.040 The same can't be said for the rest of the country. How concerned are you about looking broadly

00:04:38.880 around the country about where the nation is in terms of everything from 2020 to 2022,

00:04:49.040 the questions that have arisen around voting, mail-in balloting and electronic voting?

00:04:56.100 Well, thanks for that question, because that really strikes the heart of what this whole

00:04:59.340 2024 election is going to be about. And that's voter confidence, election integrity, and so on.

00:05:04.180 Since I've taken over as Secretary of State, we have removed over 400,000 names from the voter

00:05:09.320 registration lists. And West Virginia is not a hard state. We only have about 1.1 million registered

00:05:14.320 voters. So you can see the significance that that has for voter confidence that they know that their

00:05:20.900 vote is not going to be canceled out by these 400,000 opportunities for fraud. Second, we implemented

00:05:27.680 voter identification, and that's gone over smoothingly well. So people, again, have confidence. And we get

00:05:33.300 election results out on election night. So people have confidence in that regard. They're not waiting a week

00:05:38.460 or two down the road. So West Virginia has become a model for election integrity across the United States.

00:05:44.720 I've been asked four times to testify in front of Congress about the success we've had in West Virginia

00:05:50.280 and what we might do, best practices we might recommend to other states. So, yes, I am concerned about other

00:05:56.880 states. I'm not in those states to challenge a specific aspect of their elections. But all I can say is

00:06:03.480 look at the West Virginia model. I've worked with 55 county clerks very closely, many of whom are

00:06:09.780 Democrat. I'm Republican. But the politics goes away when it comes to election integrity. And so we've

00:06:15.460 worked together. I give the kudos to those county clerks for what we've accomplished. And that's what I

00:06:21.000 would recommend to the other states. Follow the law. When you step outside the law, that's where the

00:06:26.120 problem's in. When you count votes that have come in after the election is over or votes that haven't had

00:06:32.980 their signatures or addresses verified, that sort of thing, or you put votes, ballots into drop boxes

00:06:38.620 that are unsupervised that have not been authorized by the state legislature. I think that's the crux of

00:06:45.200 security that needs to be addressed before the 2024 election. Just because the legislature hasn't said

00:06:51.440 you can't do something doesn't mean that you can or you shouldn't. So I'm referring to those dropbox

00:06:55.800 situations like what the Wisconsin state court did and said, we're not going to let drop boxes be used

00:07:02.900 unless the legislature approves it. That's where we need to go. Yeah, absolutely. And that was a needed

00:07:08.240 reform in Wisconsin, which, as you know, had a lot of trouble with the vote in 2020. A lot of questions

00:07:16.800 in Georgia, another state that had trouble, Judge Amy Totenberg, I think, has shown more care and

00:07:24.940 thought than any other judge in the country since 2020, in which she is looking at a trial, a bench

00:07:33.840 trial without a jury, against Georgia's use of electronic voting machines. And we're going to see

00:07:41.480 what's happening as I think it's going to be the 9th of January that she's holding that trial.

00:07:49.600 It's to see electronic voting being questioned like this three years, and I won't get into the

00:07:57.520 merits of the case and all of that, but that we would have questions about in any part of the country,

00:08:04.200 the integrity of the election three years ago is just stunning to me. And it's outrageous to me.

00:08:10.900 Your thoughts about that? Great question, and I'm glad you asked that because I'll answer the

00:08:18.640 second half first. Why are we doing this three years after? Because it took the 2022 election

00:08:23.160 for the Republicans to take control of the House of Representatives so that hearings could be held

00:08:28.240 that looked back at the 2020 election. And so now I am very pleased that the judge is agreeing to hear

00:08:35.000 something on the merits to look at whether there were significant problems there in Georgia.

00:08:39.660 And so that's the appropriate place for this to be is at the court level where evidence can be introduced

00:08:45.740 in front of a judge and she can make a determination as to whether things were appropriate or not.

00:08:51.540 So the other aspect after that 2022 election was what happened in March when Jim Jordan,

00:08:58.700 Congressman, House Judiciary Chair, put Acting Director, former Director Mike Morell under oath,

00:09:04.360 and he admitted that they put forth this story to the American people about the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:09:11.020 They labeled it as Russian disinformation when it wasn't. They perpetrated a lie on the American

00:09:15.620 people. And we need to get to the bottom of that. We need to get to the bottom of these

00:09:19.200 cases that are still percolating from the 2020 election. We should not be, as an election official,

00:09:25.000 we should not be afraid of transparency, of sunshine to see what happened. That's the only way we're going

00:09:30.020 to put this to rest so the people can have confidence in the 2024 election.

00:09:34.160 We're talking with Mac Warner. He's the Secretary of State of the Great State of West Virginia.

00:09:39.180 He's running for governor and we're going to take up all of that and more

00:09:43.120 when we continue right after these words. Stay with us. We'll be right back.

00:09:47.200 We're back now with Secretary of State of the Great State of West Virginia, as I said,

00:09:58.420 Mac Warner. He's running for governor. He's he has done a bang up job as Secretary of State

00:10:04.500 in West Virginia. I want to turn to you said made a comment that really reverberated across the

00:10:12.560 country when you said that the 2020 election, in your judgment, had been stolen by the CIA. I think

00:10:18.980 a lot of people would like to know what what you're thinking. And and let's discuss that.

00:10:26.580 Sure. What happened is when Congressman Jordan, House Judiciary Chair, put former acting director

00:10:33.140 of the CIA, Mike Murrell, under oath, Mike Murrell said that the idea behind calling the Hunter Biden

00:10:39.340 laptop Russian disinformation came from Tony Blinken, who was then working on the Biden campaign

00:10:46.300 back in 2020. So the idea was planted by Blinken. And then Murrell ran with it. And these so-called

00:10:53.660 intelligence experts, 51 of them, signed a letter that said this had all the indicia of Russian

00:10:58.840 disinformation. So they were playing word games. And Blinken went to Murrell because he was using the

00:11:04.100 credentials of the CIA to add authenticity to this claim when they knew for a fact that it was a lie,

00:11:11.780 that they knew that the Hunter Biden laptop was real. And why did they know that? Because the FBI

00:11:16.760 had had that laptop for 11 months and they knew that it was authentic. But once the CIA, these former

00:11:25.060 directors, and I'm talking Hayden, Panetta, Clapper, Brennan, I mean, those are names that are synonymous

00:11:32.200 with these three-lettered agencies. And so they put this letter out. Then the FBI covered it up. The FBI

00:11:37.840 knew that the laptop was real. And I think they had an obligation to reveal that to the American

00:11:43.060 people, that the laptop was real. This happened three weeks prior to the election. The New York

00:11:48.480 Post came out with a story. Five days later, on October 19th of 2020, the letter came out. And then

00:11:58.320 the worst part is Biden used that in the debate right before the election against Trump. Trump

00:12:04.860 didn't have time to do the fact-checking and throw it back. So the people went to the polls

00:12:09.000 thinking that the Hunter Biden laptop had been hacked by the Russian, when in fact,

00:12:15.360 our own three-lettered agencies were lying to the American people. That's where I really get upset

00:12:19.320 about this. For 27 years, I raised my hand and sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the

00:12:25.980 United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I'd never had to worry about domestic

00:12:30.860 enemies until that moment. Now I'm more concerned about our three-lettered agencies lying to us

00:12:36.380 and covering up a fraud than I am about Russia, China, and other countries. I expect them to hack.

00:12:42.580 I don't expect our three-lettered agencies to throw a presidential election. And I say thrown

00:12:48.200 because Morrell testified under oath. He did it for the express purpose of helping Biden,

00:12:54.440 and he did not want to see Trump as president. That's why I say that election was thrown. It was

00:12:58.900 stolen. And we cannot have that happen again. I couldn't agree with you more. I have, and I feel

00:13:05.280 precisely the same way about the sequence of events and the actors in it. It is just,

00:13:12.340 to me, I was gut sick when I realized what that statement, 51 intel veterans, including five

00:13:20.900 heads of the CIA, had to marry to lie to the American people, just to spit in their face and 1.00

00:13:27.280 lie at them. And the impact of, I'm sorry, go ahead. And before we leave that, the FBI covered it up,

00:13:34.740 they let that go, and then it got worse. Both of those agencies sent agents to Facebook and other

00:13:41.020 social media. One, in Twitter, they took President Trump off, so they were starting to impinge on

00:13:45.940 First Amendment rights of free speech. But they went to Zuckerberg and told him to suppress the

00:13:50.840 story because it was probably Russian disinformation. And Mark Zuckerberg has admitted to this on the

00:13:56.460 Joe Rogan show that the FBI did want them to suppress the story. So it gets worse than just the initial

00:14:01.620 lie, the cover-up, and now it's the suppressing of the story. That's why that election was stolen.

00:14:06.360 Yeah. And Mark Zuckerberg still hasn't been held accountable for the 400-plus million dollars that

00:14:12.480 he spent in 2020 to drive Democratic votes. I'm sorry?

00:14:20.100 Yeah. He was driving people to the polls in those specific swing cities, swing precincts in those

00:14:25.740 states to throw the election. He was putting that thumb on the scale. When we talk about free and

00:14:29.600 fair elections, that's anything but fair.

00:14:31.600 Yeah. And it certainly wasn't free. They were throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at it

00:14:36.640 all from the left, though. At least we knew the source. Mac, as we talk about this,

00:14:43.960 we have so many areas where voting can go wrong. We have electronic voting. What is your judgment

00:14:52.680 about integrity of electronic voting, or does it vary from company to company and from jurisdiction to

00:14:59.520 jurisdiction? It absolutely does. From company to company, from state to state, different states

00:15:04.780 have different laws. That's what we're seeing in the Georgia case. So yes, the key to this,

00:15:12.000 Lou, is transparency. These election officials should not be stiff-arming the people who want

00:15:17.560 to look at the ballots, look at the machines. They should do it with open arms and say, please,

00:15:21.740 come show if there were problems where those problems are, so we correct them in the future.

00:15:26.080 But instead, we've seen from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, court to court,

00:15:30.460 stiff-arming the people that want transparency. And that's why there's such a shout for paper

00:15:35.400 ballots. Paper ballots have their own challenges, but we've got to fix this insecurity and unsureness,

00:15:42.840 its voter confidence in those machines. And right now, there isn't much confidence.

00:15:47.100 Well, you've been elected to two terms as Secretary of State. You have run one of the most admirable

00:15:54.020 and respected electoral systems in the country. I have a hard time understanding why, and I've been

00:16:01.540 covering this for two decades, going back to the adoption of Hava, the early voting machine companies

00:16:11.000 that had so much trouble initially. Why is there not transparency? And by that, I mean,

00:16:18.860 why is it that secretaries of state, election boards at the county and precinct level, why they

00:16:26.840 cannot be shown what is inside that black box and how they're getting to those numbers? Because it's

00:16:33.560 not happening anywhere. Nobody gets to see that proprietary stuff that's sitting inside those

00:16:39.380 black boxes. It reminds me of the monkeys, you know, in something that Arthur C. Clark would come up

00:16:45.820 with the looking, staring at the monolith. You know, you don't know what it is, but you have to respect it

00:16:51.380 for the good of the country. I mean, it's crazy.

00:16:54.700 It is, Lou. First of all, people don't want the Secretary of State and election officials don't want

00:17:00.440 any aspersions being cast upon them. They're afraid of what somebody might find. And especially if there is

00:17:06.620 cheating going on, they certainly don't want that exposed. But they also want to rush through this,

00:17:12.040 get the certification, wash their hands of it and say nothing to see here, move on. Or they use that

00:17:16.420 phrase, there wasn't evidence of widespread voting fraud. Well, it doesn't have to be widespread.

00:17:21.440 If we have seven swing states that are determining the outcome of a presidential election and you have

00:17:26.780 seven key counties or cities, and I'm talking Fulton County, Georgia, we're talking Philadelphia,

00:17:32.440 Pennsylvania, Michigan, Maricopa County, certainly in Arizona. All you have to do is affect those machines

00:17:38.940 or cause problems in those areas, printing the wrong size ballot, having the ballots get jammed.

00:17:44.460 And where people traditionally, the Republicans like voting on election day. So if you jam machines

00:17:49.800 on election day, you got a problem. So the Democrats like voting by mail. And you saw the

00:17:55.600 Russ Mussen report just a week ago that said 20% of the people who voted by mail admitted that they did

00:18:02.540 something improper and up to 10% took money for it. That's just outright fraud. And there again,

00:18:09.180 we shouldn't be counting votes outside the law. We should be very strict with those absentee ballots,

00:18:15.300 making sure that they're signed and notoriety if they need to be, that there are proper addresses.

00:18:20.460 We're not sending 200 of them to one address, which has happened. We need to be transparent about

00:18:26.060 this, Lou, to get to the bottom of your question.

00:18:28.180 Well, thank you very much for that, Mac. And we're going to take up exactly some of the issues facing

00:18:35.900 you as you contemplate the governorship of West Virginia, in particular, the role of big money,

00:18:46.780 big PACs in our elections, and, well, big energy. And oh, yeah, big green as well. We're talking with

00:18:55.360 Mac Warner, candidate for governor of the great state of West Virginia. We'll be right back. Stay

00:19:00.540 with us. We're back now with gubernatorial candidate for the great state of West Virginia,

00:19:10.680 Mac Warner. And Mac, I want to start with a big fellow in your state, Senator Joe Manchin. He's

00:19:20.540 playing Hamlet right now. I don't know exactly what his plans are, but apparently they're going

00:19:26.340 to be interesting for you. Give us a sense of what problems this is creating in West Virginia

00:19:33.280 politically now that we're in the middle of the 2024 cycle.

00:19:38.140 Well, it's not causing any problems because Joe Manchin has finally decided to retire from the

00:19:42.420 Senate, which is going to be good for the state of West Virginia. It's playing the middle of the road,

00:19:46.260 but then always voting for people like Schumer and the liberal Supreme Court justices. It hasn't

00:19:51.220 worked out. It's been out of step with the people of West Virginia. So this is a good thing. Now,

00:19:56.560 whether he runs for president or not remains to be seen, but he knows that he can't win a Democrat

00:20:01.700 primary. He knows he can't win a Republican primary. So he's fiddling with this idea of running down the

00:20:07.080 middle of the road. And the problem with that is he can't win. No third-party candidates won for

00:20:15.320 president. And so he knows the history. So he wants to change the game. So you'll hear more out of him

00:20:20.960 talking about rank choice voting and same-day voting, same-day registration, these sorts of

00:20:25.240 ideas to change the nature of the game, even getting rid of the electoral college, those sorts of things.

00:20:30.480 Oh, sure.

00:20:31.200 We can't afford to change the rules of the game. This has worked well for us for 200 and some years

00:20:35.800 as a country. The best system is a two-party system, and that's what we've got. And that's where we

00:20:43.000 need to let the people decide who is going to be the next president through the normal election

00:20:49.600 process.

00:20:50.220 Yeah, I asked the people of Alaska how they like the ranked election approach. It's understandable,

00:20:57.440 and it's always the Marxist nims who want to change things. You can go in with your eyes closed,

00:21:03.960 whatever. They come up with all sorts of crazy nonsense, and they got away with it in 2020. But

00:21:09.380 I hope that that is at an end. I want to get your thoughts also on your primary. How much money,

00:21:16.380 out-of-state money, is coming into West Virginia to support your rivals and competitors? And what

00:21:22.920 you, how are you feeling about it all?

00:21:26.120 Well, first of all, the main rival, or one of the main rivals, received quite a bit of outside

00:21:30.980 money to run against Joe Manchin in 2018. So his name ID is extremely high. Now they're coming

00:21:38.320 back again with $10 million from the Club for Growth, which is an anti-Trump organization,

00:21:44.020 to keep him out of the U.S. Senate race, because they already have a very conservative

00:21:48.200 candidate in that, in Alex Mooney running against Jim Justice. So a third person in that race would

00:21:54.880 have moneyed the water. So they've offered him this money. He's running for governor. It's very

00:21:59.500 difficult to run against $10 million from outside money. But I just don't want the people of West 0.99

00:22:05.040 Virginia to be deceived that he is the Trump candidate because Trump won this state by 40

00:22:10.300 some points. This is a very conservative state, a very religious state, family-oriented state.

00:22:16.140 Those are the values that I bring to the table, that Trump brings to the table. And that's what

00:22:21.120 the people of West Virginia need to be making their decision on, not being influenced by getting a card

00:22:26.540 every week, sometimes several times a week from this outside entity, playing up, photoshopped the

00:22:32.980 candidate next to Trump. We simply shouldn't be taken by that. What has happened? West Virginia

00:22:40.220 has turned from extremely Democrat to extremely Republican in a very short period of time. About

00:22:45.440 seven or eight years, this transition has occurred. And so what has happened is we're aligning the people

00:22:50.920 with the politics, with our conservative family values nature. So that Democrat party has gone so far

00:22:57.420 to the left off the charts with woke agendas, climate change, all that. The Democratic party

00:23:03.540 left West Virginia a long time ago, and we've now aligned our people with the politics. And that's why

00:23:08.680 this decision for the governor is going to be made in May. Whoever wins that primary will be the next

00:23:14.040 governor. And at this point, I have to say that I believe the West Virginians have a very

00:23:21.880 good candidate that they could choose. I think they will choose in May. And I'm particularly impressed

00:23:32.300 with your well-reasoned and America first view of the issues. And I admire that. I respect it in all

00:23:44.600 our leaders. And of course, that brings up Donald Trump, President of the United States. Has he endorsed

00:23:50.880 you at this point? He is not, but I would certainly welcome that endorsement. The key, though, is

00:23:56.600 the values that President Trump brought to America, put us back on top of the world. Our enemies feared

00:24:03.300 us. They were always concerned about him ready to stand up for our values across the world, trade,

00:24:11.080 that sort of thing. And then look what's happened in three short years. And perhaps due to a stolen

00:24:17.160 election, we're now having to live with Biden, the Inflation Reduction Act, the inflation has gone

00:24:22.880 berserk, trying to buy groceries right now, gas. Just imagine what it was, $1.87 for a gallon of gas

00:24:29.720 when Trump left office versus what we're paying now. They spiked gas up at $4 and $5. And when it gets

00:24:35.360 down to $3.50, now everybody thinks, oh, that's good because it's dropped. No, it's bad. If we brought

00:24:40.200 Trump back, we'd have energy independence. West Virginia is an energy producing state. We need

00:24:45.640 to get government overreach off our back, government overregulation off of our back,

00:24:50.380 produce energy. This is a national security issue. We mentioned earlier, I'm a retired military officer.

00:24:55.780 All four of my children have served in the military. I don't want to be fighting in the Middle East over

00:25:00.400 an oil transit through the Hormoz Strait or whatever. I want to have energy coming out of the ground here

00:25:08.860 in West Virginia, producing it safely with all the proper, we can innovate our way out of any

00:25:16.420 issues with regards to clean air and that sort of thing. We don't need to regulate ourselves,

00:25:21.380 falsely regulate, because it really comes down to reliable energy and unreliable energy.

00:25:28.160 Coal, oil, and gas are reliable energy sources, and that's what we need to power our manufacturing,

00:25:34.400 heat our homes, and defend this country.

00:25:37.860 Mack Warner, I want to just say it's been a delight talking with you. We appreciate it,

00:25:42.040 and like I said, I think the people of West Virginia have got an outstanding choice for

00:25:47.660 governor. I appreciate you being with us, and I wish you all the best of luck, and

00:25:52.160 Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year to you.

00:25:55.900 Thank you so much, Lou. It's been great being with you. People can find out more about me at

00:25:59.340 MackWarner.com, and Merry Christmas to you and everybody listening.

00:26:03.640 Thanks, everybody, for being with us here today. We hope you'll join us every day on The Great

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The Great America Show - December 24, 2023

CIA & FBI STOLE 2020 ELECTION

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