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00:01:18.340 Hello, everybody. Welcome to The Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs. Thank you for being with us.

00:01:23.140 Marxist Attorney General Merrick Garland wants Trump behind bars. There's no other way to put it.

00:01:29.160 Garland means to interfere with the 2024 presidential election at any and all cost.

00:01:34.940 And so far, the Republicans have allowed him and his Marxists to get away with it.

00:01:40.080 Garland this week talking with CNN claimed his indictments of President Trump have been done

00:01:45.680 in a professional fashion, as he put it, and are by no means political.

00:01:50.480 Look, we have reasserted and clarified the norms of this Justice Department.

00:01:56.600 We follow the facts and the law wherever they lead. Politics is not a part of our determinations.

00:02:03.540 It would be improper, and it's not. The Department has regulations about the appointment of special

00:02:10.780 counsels, and we follow those regulations. In each case, we have appointed people who are

00:02:16.760 formerly veteran career prosecutors, whatever their current position is.

00:02:25.380 And they're sufficiently independent from you, you believe?

00:02:27.560 Yes, and the regulations make them independent from me. So with respect to the public, I hope they

00:02:33.540 will see, not only from what we've done, but from the outcomes of the cases and the way in which

00:02:39.320 special counsel proceeded, that we have kept politics out of this.

00:02:43.320 Garland, of course, is lying through his teeth, saying he's just following the facts. The facts are

00:02:49.020 he's interfering with the 2024 presidential election. He's doing everything he can to block

00:02:54.540 Donald Trump from the White House. Garland even said it out loud. Garland said he wants a speedy

00:03:00.620 trial, no matter how close to the presidential election. The department has policies about

00:03:06.240 steering clear of elections. Is there a date in your mind where it might be too late to bring these

00:03:13.760 trials to fruition? Again, to stay out of the way of the elections as the department policies?

00:03:19.180 Well, I just say, you know, what I said, which is that the cases were brought last year. Prosecutor

00:03:25.400 has urged speedy trials, with which I agree. And this is now in the hands of the judicial system,

00:03:33.940 not in our hands. Race and society. Our society racked with division over utter nonsense,

00:03:40.240 in my opinion. The Marxist Dems pushing DEI and critical race theory when we all know better.

00:03:47.300 All of us. Marxist Dems and Republicans, independents, we know better. Racial discrimination

00:03:54.220 is bigotry out and out. We're either a colorblind society, or we're discriminating. Not only immoral,

00:04:01.500 but against the law. Or at least, that is the ideal. Last week, the issue was vividly on display in

00:04:08.080 the NFL. The New England Patriots hired a new head coach last week. His name is Gerald Mayo. And Mayo is

00:04:16.620 one of the youngest head coaches in the NFL ever. The first black head coach for the Patriots. And Mayo,

00:04:23.700 in his first press conference as head coach, had this to say about race.

00:04:29.120 I do see color. Because I believe if you don't see color, you can't see racism. And whatever happens,

00:04:36.620 black, white, disabled person. Even someone with disabilities, I always, you know, for the most part,

00:04:43.180 people are like, you know, don't, you know, when they're young, they kind of make the spot hot.

00:04:47.220 Younger people know what that means. But what I would say is, like, no, I want you to be able to

00:04:52.940 go up to those people and really understand those people. So it goes back to whatever it is, black, 1.00

00:04:58.220 white, yellow, it really doesn't matter. But it does matter. So we can try to fix a problem

00:05:03.100 that we all know we have. So what exactly does the new Pat's head coach mean by that?

00:05:09.480 It jarred me to hear what he said. What do you think? Colorblind or color conscious? Mayo isn't

00:05:15.740 the only black coach in the NFL by any means. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they're in the playoffs this year.

00:05:22.740 And head coach Todd Bowles has been the head coach for two years now. He has quite a different answer

00:05:29.140 about race. And I think it's one that everyone should hear. You and Mike Tomlin are two of the

00:05:36.280 few black head coaches in the league. I wonder what your relationship is like with them and your

00:05:39.580 thoughts on Steve Wilks joining that fall. I have a very good relationship with Tomlin.

00:05:44.700 We don't look at what color we are when we coach against each other. We just know each other. I have

00:05:50.380 a lot of very good white friends that coach in this league as well. And I don't think it's a big deal

00:05:56.120 as far as us being coaching against each other. I think it's normal. Wilks got an opportunity to do

00:06:01.420 a good job. Hopefully he does it. And we coach ball. We don't look at color. But you also understand

00:06:07.020 that representation matters too, right? And that when young aspiring coaches or even football players,

00:06:12.220 they see you guys, you know, they see someone that looks like them, maybe grew up like them.

00:06:16.640 That has to mean something. Well, when you say you see you guys and look like them and grow up like

00:06:21.640 them, meaning that we're eyeballs to begin with. And I think the minute you guys stop making a big

00:06:27.800 deal about it, everybody else will as well. So who's right, Mayo or Bowles? I hope Mayo

00:06:33.880 learns from the guy I think is the class act of the NFL coaches, Todd Bowles and Go Bucks.

00:06:40.420 I have to say, I think Congresswoman Elise Stefanik has become my favorite member of the House GOP

00:06:45.820 leadership. New York Marxist Dem and Trust Fund Baby Congressman Dan Goldman is going after her.

00:06:52.960 He brought a censure motion against the Congresswoman for supporting the January 6th

00:06:58.340 hostages of the venal Marxist Dems like Goldman. He's a partisan snake and a liar through and through. 0.99

00:07:05.680 Goldman doesn't like Stefanik because she refers to the January 6th political prisoners 0.99

00:07:10.460 as hostages. Well, so do I. And I hope you do as well. Hostages of the Marxist Dems and the Biden

00:07:18.400 regime. Pass it on. Hostages. Our guest today knows all about those January 6 hostages. He's the former

00:07:26.680 chief of the Capitol Police, Stephen Sund, and he was chief of the Capitol Police on that day of protest

00:07:33.420 and chaos on January 6th, 2021. Steve, great to have you with us. Thanks for being back. Let me ask

00:07:40.660 you, do you think those folks who've been imprisoned by the Pelosi Marxist Dems should be called hostages?

00:07:47.400 Are they hostages? What would you call these poor people who've been in jail for three years,

00:07:52.860 at least some of them? Again, I think you look at it, I think it was a Democratic

00:07:56.940 Democratic member of Congress, Dan Goldman, that called for her censorship. My belief is that's

00:08:05.100 her prerogative. Again, she's a member of Congress, a U.S. citizen. You have the right to kind of say

00:08:09.760 what you want. It's not like she called for anybody's violence against anyone. Matter of fact,

00:08:14.920 she spoke against the violence that some of the rioters committed on January 6th. And I think this

00:08:20.820 showcases what frustrates Americans across the country, the inability of Congress to even work

00:08:26.140 together on the simplest things. I think when you ask me, what do I think of that term? I think,

00:08:32.260 again, this goes back to the concern that people have of the disparate treatment that you're seeing

00:08:36.760 committed against, you know, treated against different people. There's no rule of law

00:08:43.440 in how the law is being applied to these folks. Yeah. Well, they're hostages. They're prisoners of war,

00:08:51.240 an ideological war. And Dan Goldman, he is a disgusting and appalling activist who is behaving 0.97

00:09:01.140 as ignorantly as any other one of the Marxist Dems who mean to destroy this country. Elise Stefanik, 0.97

00:09:09.580 I think, deserves great courage for speaking up and calling these defendants who, many of whom have

00:09:16.580 been in the Bureau of Prisons for three years without a trial, without even a trial date.

00:09:24.020 The ignorance of this is just breathtaking. I think the Democrat Party and all of these Marxist Dems

00:09:30.580 who run it should be censured because they are the ones responsible for those people still being in

00:09:36.520 that prison and being there in the first place. I would like to see the Republicans bring censure

00:09:42.520 motions against them. So we're here. We are three years later, Steve. And we've been talking about

00:09:49.420 videos. And we had a speaker say that he was going to release the videos and he released a few.

00:09:54.480 And now we have a new speaker. And he said he was going to release the videos and he released a few,

00:09:59.920 but over 40,000 remain unseen. What is your view about what is being protected here? And we know by whom

00:10:12.140 it's the congressional leaders and the Senate leaders and the administration. How do we get

00:10:19.440 those videos released, do you think? Well, I think more and more of the videos are going to be

00:10:24.220 released. I think eventually they're going to try and make all, I think, 44,000 hours of the videos,

00:10:28.920 make them available. And I will tell you, I'm 100% behind the transparency of the investigation,

00:10:34.800 release the videos. I think they had raised concerns about security measures on the Capitol

00:10:42.920 being revealed through the videos. I think there's a limited, I mean, minutes maybe that they could

00:10:49.220 redact if that is the concern. But when you hide things like this, this is where you get people to

00:10:54.360 start coming up with their own narratives when people can't go in and see what's going on. You

00:10:58.660 know, if right is right and wrong is wrong, if officers acted wrong, then it should be dealt with.

00:11:03.100 But, you know, release the video because I feel people just keep coming up and

00:11:07.820 determining their own narrative of what happened if they don't see what happened.

00:11:12.280 Well, you know, you used to run that department. And I have to say, my view is if there is a security

00:11:23.460 reason for not showing that video, I don't care what it is, pass a bill, spend some money, and then

00:11:30.080 fix it after that. Because those people's lives are a hell of a lot more important than some

00:11:37.720 nonsensical security concern by these people who are covering up. The American people know what's

00:11:45.100 going on here. It's a cover up. They're stonewalling. And the Republicans now are complicit because Kevin

00:11:51.700 McCarthy and Mike Johnson haven't done what they said they do. And their lives that could be changed

00:11:58.860 as a result of this. And by the way, I think it would show that we saw a vast number of incidents

00:12:04.800 where the protesters were protecting other protesters from cops who had lost it. And they were under a

00:12:14.540 press. I certainly understand that. And I'm not asking for charges to be brought against those police

00:12:19.700 officers. But I'm sure as hell asking that these people be freed from jail for what they did that

00:12:25.780 day. This is ignorance. And it's un-American, don't you think?

00:12:29.840 Again, I think when you look at the, we had talked about the security features, I think that's

00:12:33.840 something that could be easily redacted without taking away the importance of the individual piece

00:12:38.660 of video. So, you know, to your point, I think that can be released. And where it needs to be released

00:12:43.900 for either prosecutorial or defense material, it should be done so. But I do think that the American

00:12:49.320 people need to be able to see stuff that went on, how things were handled up there. And again,

00:12:55.660 I think I'm hoping Speaker Johnson will release more. I'm all in favor. I know he's talking about

00:13:02.100 there's going to be a big push for getting behind what really happened on January 6th. And I hope

00:13:06.940 that is the case. I've pushed for that since day one, because something just didn't feel right.

00:13:11.920 Yeah. And, you know, there's something I want to point out to everybody at this point.

00:13:15.400 I've asked that leaders in this country come together and stop this nonsense. This is the

00:13:22.780 chief justice could do immense good here, interceding because of the judicial proceedings,

00:13:29.100 the bureau of prisons, all of this related to the judiciary. And he is the ultimate force in the

00:13:35.720 American judiciary. But what about all of the national news media? Think about this. The New York Times,

00:13:42.620 the Washington Post, NBC News, ABC News, all of the cable news networks, all of the major city

00:13:50.060 newspapers. Why haven't they come together in outrage and said, free the prisoners, free these

00:13:58.440 hostages of the Marxist Dems? Why would there not be? Why in the world haven't all of the churches

00:14:05.740 come together and said, free these people? It's ignorance and it's madness, it's brutality. It is

00:14:12.580 barbaric. And this country has to do better. We have seen none of that. Steve, your sense as a

00:14:20.700 former police officer and in leadership, why in the world are we permitting such an atrocity in your

00:14:28.520 view? You know, again, looking back in my law enforcement experience, I haven't been especially

00:14:33.880 specifically in Washington, D.C. for 30 years. I can tell you, I've seen and heard about cases where

00:14:42.380 you had significant violence, that people were released pretrial, people were diverted from

00:14:48.920 prosecution. And I think, again, it just goes to the frustration that people have of what you're

00:14:55.180 seeing as a disparate treatment. Why people don't come together, I think, again, you're not going

00:14:59.560 to see it in some of the media, because I think a lot of the media doesn't meet their narrative.

00:15:04.500 Yeah, it doesn't meet their narrative. And may they, well, I'll be kind. I'm not wishing great

00:15:12.100 things for the national media. We're talking with Stephen Sund. We're coming right back,

00:15:17.180 the former chief of the Capitol Police. We will return right after these quick words. Stay with us.

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00:16:02.660 We're back. We're talking with Stephen Sund. He's the former chief of Capitol Police,

00:16:07.580 a great American. He was an eyewitness to history over that period, and I'm sure much of his career.

00:16:15.180 We're talking with Stephen Sund. And Stephen, I want to ask the House investigation into what

00:16:21.060 really happened on January 6th. We're told it's entering a new phase. Speaker Johnson apparently

00:16:26.840 supports it. Why is everything moving in slow motion? How can we freeze in time these over a thousand

00:16:38.980 lives? They're being treated barbarically. We know today that they've turned off the heat to the

00:16:45.440 prison, some of them, most of them perhaps. This is just barbaric treatment, and we're all a party to it

00:16:52.700 because both parties have done nothing. As I said, the national media has done nothing. The courts have

00:17:00.000 done nothing. I've never felt so helpless in my life over an obvious, an obvious injustice.

00:17:08.020 Your thoughts.

00:17:09.680 So, again, we see Johnson, Speaker Johnson, taking this into a new area. I've been down there. I've

00:17:16.620 talked to some of the new committees that are down there. I went down. I testified for my second time

00:17:21.140 in public. The first time was in February 2021. The second time, I think, was September 2023,

00:17:27.280 public testimony. I've done everything I can to get the truth of what I saw were the institutional

00:17:33.300 failings that contributed to January 6th out there as quickly as possible, whether it was

00:17:37.880 in testimony, whether it was in the book. And I will say, you know, at least Congress, and things

00:17:42.260 do move at glacier speed. And when people's lives are on stake, that's unacceptable. And when you look

00:17:47.500 at it, you know, I'm happy Congress has gone and changed some laws based on my testimony, but

00:17:53.420 there's still so much to be done.

00:17:55.220 Well, as you say, Washington, D.C. is, it is a swamp. It is a cesspool, whatever you want to call it.

00:18:03.600 But the stench is so strong, I think people should be moving faster so they can avoid it.

00:18:09.700 I have to say the frustration to see that they're investigating now January 6th. We know what

00:18:17.520 happened. We know that this was an outrageous injustice perpetrated by the Marxist Dems. We

00:18:25.620 know that the courts over-sentenced hundreds of Americans who were overcharged to begin with.

00:18:32.460 And we know the Capitol Police and other agencies were there. Give us your sense about the claims that

00:18:41.320 there were at least 200 FBI agents there on ghost buses or, you know, whatever, however they were

00:18:49.140 transported. How likely is it that the number was that high?

00:18:54.380 You know, I've heard that number recently, and I think he'd, I'm trying to remember the

00:18:58.900 representative that had brought up something about ghost buses. I had not seen or heard anything

00:19:04.520 prior to that about ghost buses. I think he said they were dropping off over by Union Station.

00:19:08.180 It's not uncommon for the various agencies, whether it's Secret Service, FBI, some of the

00:19:15.180 other law enforcement agencies, to have someone to cover in crowds when you have big events.

00:19:19.200 But when you're starting to hear some of the things coming out where people were enticing

00:19:22.520 members in the crowd to get into the building, to do different things like that, that becomes

00:19:28.580 very, very concerning, especially for my position as the chief.

00:19:32.160 Right. Well, I think people should know. Steve Sutton told me in our first interview,

00:19:37.240 he said that he didn't get the intelligence from any of the agencies on the, before the day of

00:19:45.980 January 6th, leading, either leading up to it or the day of. Have you ever found out why you were,

00:19:54.540 I'll put it this way, isolated?

00:19:58.060 No. And that's one of the things I want the investigations to find. What exactly happened?

00:20:02.060 Why was it? Was it just because of stupidity or was there a malicious intent to keep that 1.00

00:20:07.620 intelligence away from anybody so we wouldn't have a more robust response? When you look at it, 1.00

00:20:14.060 and now we're, like you said, we're three years into this, four congressional reports have come

00:20:18.460 out and every single one of those has indicated this is an intelligence failure. What I've said from

00:20:22.260 day one, if we had had that intelligence, we would have had more officers, mutual aid,

00:20:26.800 National Guard, unarmed. All I wanted was unarmed National Guard when I asked for them on January

00:20:31.080 3rd, but unarmed National Guard and a bigger fence. We wouldn't be here today if I'd gotten that. If I'd

00:20:37.260 gotten the intelligence and we'd gotten the resources that we needed, we wouldn't be here.

00:20:41.220 Maybe you just answered the question. They didn't, they wanted that day to occur just as it

00:20:47.680 unspooled because, you know, every other explanation doesn't add up.

00:20:53.300 Uh, that is the only one because Pelosi was in clear charge. Uh, she was clearly in the know.

00:20:59.520 Uh, I assume Schumer was as well, but we know Pelosi was, uh, we know that the top leadership was,

00:21:06.700 and we know full well, uh, that the Capitol police, uh, all of the agencies that were there

00:21:14.100 represented. And I understand that there are at least three other agencies, the, uh,

00:21:18.300 including the FBI. I'm sorry. What did you say, Steve? D.C. police. Right. And, and, and, uh,

00:21:27.180 uh, the FBI, and I believe the ATF as well, but, um, so we know this is a spectacular

00:21:35.660 piece of theater, at least in part, because we did see officers on those videotapes waving people

00:21:44.300 into the Capitol. We saw, uh, what's his name? Uh, the, uh, uh, Epps, Ray Epps, telling people

00:21:53.780 we're going to the Capitol and, and then getting, getting a free pass. This is just outrageous.

00:21:59.980 And, and now Judicial Watch has filed, filed a wrongful death claim against Lieutenant Michael Byrd,

00:22:07.240 who sent out a, uh, a phony shots have been fired message a minute after he pulled the trigger

00:22:12.860 and killed, uh, in my opinion, murdered, uh, Ashley Babbitt. Uh, your, your thoughts.

00:22:21.080 Uh, again, as far as it involves the, um, the, the actions of Byrd, you got to understand I was

00:22:27.760 literally removed from my position the very next day. Um, Speaker Pelosi went on national TV,

00:22:33.860 called for me by name, uh, to be removed. Uh, I was removed. I actually had set up a transition

00:22:39.760 period so I could at least do a, a transition with whoever's going to be acting chief. And they

00:22:43.960 removed me within hours of setting that up. Uh, so I had no involvement of whatever the

00:22:48.940 investigations were or whatever, uh, information has come out internally, um, for that. So I just

00:22:54.800 don't want to give an un, uh, uneducated, uh, answer on you for you. Well, I, I think it's a very

00:23:00.080 uneducated answer that you just gave that because you're trying to do the right thing. That wasn't

00:23:04.360 in the interest of the power structure of the house of representatives, was it?

00:23:08.600 Well, it seemed kind of odd that they were so quick to, to have me removed, especially

00:23:12.240 if they had just gone and looked and seen on January 3rd days in advance, I'd ask for assistance,

00:23:17.000 the national guard. I, I'm the only chief of police in the United States of America. And I think your

00:23:21.280 audience will get a kick out of this that has to go to the Capitol police board and get approval

00:23:25.780 from congressional leadership to bring in federal resources, which I did on January 3rd and was

00:23:30.860 denied. And even on January 6th, when we were under attack, think about it. The attack started

00:23:35.900 at 1253 on the West front. It took 81 minutes before they broke the first window of the, uh,

00:23:42.480 of the Capitol for 71 of those minutes. I repeatedly was calling the Capitol police board. Can I bring

00:23:47.260 in federal asking for permission? Can I bring in federal assistance and repeatedly being denied

00:23:51.460 even while we're under attack? And who would have been making that decision?

00:23:56.900 Uh, that decision was being made, uh, ultimately by, uh, Paul Irving, Speaker Pelosi's, um, uh,

00:24:03.240 house Sergeant arms, uh, Mike Stanger, who is the chairman of the Capitol police board was

00:24:08.120 kept referring to, uh, my, um, uh, Mike Stanger, I'm sorry, kept referring to Paul Irving to get his

00:24:14.440 answer, uh, and kept waiting. So ultimately, uh, it was Paul Irving. He said, he's going to run it up

00:24:19.240 the chain, get right back to me. And he didn't give me an answer for 71 minutes, despite repeated

00:24:23.900 phone calls, asking, you know, literally begging for the approval. We're talking with Steve Sun,

00:24:28.840 a former Capitol police chief. We're going to talk about Michael Byrd, why the man, why the man

00:24:34.600 never was held accountable for his actions on that day. We're coming right back. Stay with us.

00:24:39.640 We're back with the former Capitol police chief, uh, Steven Sund and Steve, I want to turn to the

00:24:52.460 issue of Michael Byrd here. He fired point blank range with a handgun that he had already drawn,

00:24:59.180 uh, with his, and obviously pulled the trigger, uh, as she came through the, uh, the, the window of

00:25:08.300 the partition. Uh, but she also went, went by five or six other officers. And there were two or three

00:25:15.940 officers in front of Lieutenant Byrd that he fired basically around, uh, they were in harm's way as,

00:25:23.080 as he fired. No one else drew a weapon, let alone fired it. What in the world? Why was there no report

00:25:31.300 of this? Why didn't he file a report? Can you speculate? No, when you say there no, no report of

00:25:37.680 this, anytime there's a use of force, uh, lethal use of forces, there's going to be an investigation

00:25:42.420 of some sort that's going to take place again, like I just mentioned, um, a couple of minutes ago,

00:25:46.860 I was removed within hours of, uh, of January 6th ending. So I didn't have, uh, don't have any

00:25:53.100 insight into what exactly what went on investigation, but anytime there's a lethal use of force by a law

00:25:57.760 enforcement officer, there's going to be an investigation both by the internal affairs, but

00:26:01.900 also by, if it's, if it's a, um, when that results in injury or death, the, uh, U S attorney's office

00:26:08.160 for the district of Columbia is going to be involved, uh, in that investigation as well. Uh,

00:26:12.240 and Washington DC police almost forgot because they investigate every, every homicide, the shooting

00:26:16.500 would have been declared a homicide cause it wasn't a suicide. Uh, and while it was investigated,

00:26:21.240 then determined if it was a justified use of force. Uh, but again, I had, uh, no role in that,

00:26:26.500 uh, investigation. So I don't have any additional to provide on.

00:26:29.260 So you're saying somebody ruled it, uh, justified use of force.

00:26:33.040 Well, if, um, again, if they finished up and I'd have to go back and look, cause I think DOJ

00:26:37.320 ultimately did come out and cleared, uh, Michael Byrd for it. So it would have been declared a,

00:26:42.260 uh, justifiable use of force.

00:26:44.020 Does the, does the, does the shooter usually fill out a report?

00:26:48.940 It, um, it, it may, it may vary, but there's usually going to be a report and investigation,

00:26:53.100 a, uh, in-depth investigation.

00:26:54.820 No, no, but I mean, does he, the shoot, Lieutenant Byrd, he was the shooter.

00:26:58.300 Uh, doesn't he have to put in a report, a record of the, uh, of the incident?

00:27:02.860 Uh, anytime there's usually a use of force report, there's going to be a report, but when

00:27:08.540 it's a lethal use of force report, sometimes, um, they'll wait till they get their attorney

00:27:12.940 and, and, uh, go through that process.

00:27:15.360 But there, there should have been some type of, uh, use of force, uh, investigation.

00:27:18.940 And they, it wouldn't even release his name for over a month. I believe it was over a month.

00:27:23.740 Uh, and we found out his name was Michael Byrd, uh, sort of, uh, not in any official announcement

00:27:31.100 or document. Uh, we also then subsequently learned that he was, uh, secreted by obviously the Capitol

00:27:37.820 police and, uh, one assumes, uh, the, uh, uh, the administration, uh, in some form, uh, a way

00:27:46.140 to joint base Andrews, uh, for, for a month, uh, at taxpayer expense.

00:27:51.260 I mean, for we was in that joint force base for six months at taxpayer expense after killing Ashley

00:27:58.460 Babbitt, uh, who would, who have you got any idea as to why they would do that? That doesn't sound

00:28:04.940 like the American way, does it? Yeah, no, I, um, I've, I've only heard, I've heard about it. Uh,

00:28:09.980 but no, I have no idea who, who would have made that decision, uh, would have been fairly high level,

00:28:14.060 uh, for that, that decision or the reasons behind it. But yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's disgusting.

00:28:20.860 And do you think that that shooting, uh, and your response to it is a part of the reason that you

00:28:26.620 were, uh, moved out? Um, I, uh, to be honest with you, I have no idea. Do you have any idea why you

00:28:34.780 were? Well, I was moved out. Yeah. You know, I just found it odd that when I was moved out and

00:28:41.020 immediately there was a concern, it could be intelligence failure. And it's turned out that,

00:28:44.460 you know, like I said, four reports and people repeatedly, even the current chief that's in there now,

00:28:49.340 Tom manger, uh, is in a hearing saying, absolutely. It was an intelligence failure yet. Um, I was

00:28:55.100 replaced by the chief of intelligence, uh, in a acting capacity. So it's, I just find it odd.

00:28:59.900 They, you know, intelligence is always a, uh, a concern. It was definitely concerned on January 6th.

00:29:04.380 I'm immediately removed. And they put the, uh, assistant chief in charge of intelligence, uh,

00:29:08.620 as the acting chief of police. Um, yeah. So let me ask you this. Uh, how many people do you think

00:29:15.340 were there on January 6th demonstrating marching? Um, and when you say, you know, on capital grounds?

00:29:23.020 And yes, yes. Um, you know, again, it would be a, uh, a guesstimate. I think, uh, one of the, uh,

00:29:31.900 colleges, I'm trying to think which one it was, did a, a study at the west front. And I think at one

00:29:35.580 point said there's approximately 30,000 people at one time on the, uh, on the west front at, at its height.

00:29:41.180 Uh, so I don't, I don't know. I suspect it'd be somewhere in north of that.

00:29:46.700 So I guess my question is how much intelligence would your superiors have needed to know that

00:29:56.220 with that crush of people and that few officers, that they would be risking, uh, a injury, uh, to,

00:30:05.900 to the demonstrators themselves, uh, by that kind of massing of people, why would they not just out of

00:30:12.300 common sense, taking any help they could for, uh, crowd control? That is, that's a,

00:30:18.220 I would have to say that was an unprecedented crowd for, for the Capitol police to deal with. Am I wrong?

00:30:25.660 Again, that was a crowd that, that occurred after, you know, while January 6th was, was, was, uh,

00:30:30.700 occurring, but to your, your point, when you now find out and, you know, I, I, uh, talked about it

00:30:37.020 in my interview with, uh, Tucker Carlson, uh, and I wrote somewhat about it in the, um, interview was,

00:30:43.420 um, I mean, my book was the fact that even the Department of Defense had such significant

00:30:48.060 intelligence. They were so concerned about January 6th that they talked about shutting down the city,

00:30:53.420 restricting the city's access to the city, uh, and, uh, revoking the permits for, uh, any activity

00:30:59.980 on Capitol Hill. I'm the one that issues those permits. They never talked to me about that.

00:31:03.500 They never shared their concerns with me yet. What did they do? They prevented the National

00:31:07.660 Guard for responding. Even once we got approval for four and a half hours, the New Jersey state

00:31:13.180 police beat the DC National Guard there. Do you believe there was a conspiracy to create

00:31:19.260 the chaos that was January 6th? I think there's a, and again, um, I think it gets really odd.

00:31:26.860 It's not a big stretch for people who begin to wonder why did, was the intelligence so screwed up?

00:31:31.780 You know, why was I denied in advance? Why was I removed so quickly? Why was I denied for 71 minutes

00:31:37.880 while we're under attack? I mean, one of the most visible, you know, people are watching that on TV.

00:31:42.180 Anybody in their right mind could have said, yeah, well, let's bring in some resources. Um,

00:31:45.780 you know, thank goodness we had DC police not far away, but, um, yeah,

00:31:49.260 I don't think it takes, takes much for someone to think there's, uh, there's some definitely

00:31:52.940 weird stuff going on behind the scenes. Well, Steve, son, we're always give you the,

00:31:57.260 our guests, the last word, uh, your, your thoughts as we conclude. Thanks for being here,

00:32:02.380 by the way. I enjoy the conversation again. So, so do I, again, I think it goes back to the level

00:32:07.740 of frustration that you're seeing across the United States right now. It comes from,

00:32:10.820 you know, all these people sat back and witnessed the mostly peaceful protest of 2020,

00:32:15.540 the attack on the white house, May 30th through June 1st. Uh, that was a terrible, vicious attack.

00:32:21.420 Uh, it's something that, that I talk about in my book, DC police, a police agency formed by

00:32:26.700 Congress specifically for the protection of the president was, was prevented from responding

00:32:31.600 to help protect the Trump white house. Yet you look at what just happened June 13th,

00:32:35.880 you had the pro-Palestinian protest take place. They start tearing down part of the exterior

00:32:41.060 anti-scale offense. DC police immediately allowed in to help support the secret service. When people

00:32:48.340 see that and they don't feel the rule of law and equal treatment of people, it just creates the big

00:32:53.220 frustrations that I think is contributing to what's going on in America right now. People are just

00:32:57.300 extremely frustrated. And I, and I wonder sometimes, is that not, uh, the handiwork of the Marxist

00:33:04.540 Dems, uh, they mean for us to get, uh, get frustrated. Uh, and I think they do want the

00:33:10.560 country destabilized. Uh, Stephen Sun, thanks so much for being with us. I look forward to talking

00:33:15.020 with you soon. Uh, come back soon if you would. Thank you very much for the time. Thanks everybody

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The Great America Show - January 22, 2024

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