The Great America Show - March 13, 2026


COVER-UP？ After 10-years, the FBI refuses to turn over Seth Rich Documents! Why!？

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lawfare Fox News settlement and lawsuits FOIA requests and laptop hard drives prohibited access files
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Seth Rich Kash Patel Julian Assange Ty Clevenger Pam Bondi Donald Trump Ed Butowski Rudy Giuliani Ellen Ratner Roger Stone Christopher Wray Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders John Ratcliffe Edward Snowden Sean Hannity Susan Rice Kim Dotcom Russ Tice Dropbox and 1 more
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On July 10th, 2016, a man by the name of Seth Rich was found dead after a night out in Washington, D.C. The police initially suspected it was a robbery gone wrong, but as new evidence emerged over a year later, questions began to arise about what actually happened that night.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. Thanks so much for being with us today. Appreciate you guys joining
00:00:06.500 us, spending your Friday with us here. We're going to do things a little bit differently
00:00:10.020 here today. There's a story that's circulating for some time now. In fact, all the way back
00:00:15.700 to 2016. And I don't think there's been enough media coverage on it. In fact, when the media
00:00:21.380 tried to talk about it, they were sued into an oblivion to stop talking about it. So you're
00:00:25.920 probably wondering, what the heck am I talking about? Well, on the early morning of July 10th
00:00:30.480 in 2016, in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C., about 30 blocks north of the
00:00:35.220 Capitol, a man by the name of Seth Rich was found dead, we'll say to be nice. Rich had been out
00:00:44.960 drinking at Lou's City Bar in Columbia Heights, which is a regular spot for him, and left that
00:00:48.620 bar around 1.30 in the morning. He was walking home when he was shot fatally twice in the back.
00:00:55.300 Police responded quickly.
00:00:56.520 The gunfire was detected.
00:00:58.120 He was found unconscious but died about an hour and a half later at the hospital.
00:01:02.060 His watch, his wallet, his phone, all still with him, not stolen,
00:01:06.220 which some pointed to as suspicious,
00:01:08.780 though police attribute this to a botched robbery
00:01:11.120 where the assailants panicked and fled before they can take anything.
00:01:16.620 Metropolitan Police Department and District of Columbia
00:01:19.300 have consistently described this as likely an attempted robbery gone wrong,
00:01:23.600 Except the one interesting thing about it is FBI has been involved. Federal agencies have been involved in this this botched robbery.
00:01:33.920 And we've never got a good explanation on what happened on that night. Some consider it suspicious.
00:01:44.900 I certainly find it suspicious.
00:01:47.100 But when asked about it, which we know they've been involved,
00:01:50.360 the FBI back in 2017 says they're not involved in the Seth Rich case,
00:01:54.400 despite any conspiracy theories, just according to FBI officials.
00:01:59.260 So what do I want to do today?
00:02:00.740 Today I want to bring in our guest.
00:02:02.340 He's attorney Ty Clevenger, a good friend of mine, a good friend of the show.
00:02:07.840 Ty, a delight to have you with us.
00:02:09.460 You've been on this case from day one,
00:02:11.960 And I've been bugging you to come on and talk about this, I think, for over a year now, because this is something Lou is fascinated with.
00:02:19.460 Sean Hannity over at Fox News, fascinated with.
00:02:21.760 They began talking about it and were sued by the rich family.
00:02:26.480 Let's start chronologically for the people who are not familiar with this case or the people who want to brush up on the case.
00:02:32.600 Everything you could tell us about the inception of the case, and then we'll get into the details about the FBI allegedly not being involved.
00:02:40.380 Sure. From the earliest days of the case, there were reports that Seth Rich had been the source of the emails, the Democratic National Committee emails that were published by WikiLeaks.
00:02:55.160 Seth, in fact, worked for the Democratic National Committee. Shortly after his death in August, Julian Assange went on to Dutch television and all but said that Seth was the source of the emails.
00:03:08.960 And immediately, Julian Assange went from the hero of the left, the guy who exposed the supposed prison abuse in Iraq, to enemy number one.
00:03:20.600 He was spreading disinformation.
00:03:22.980 But even before that happened, Ellen Ratner had gone to visit Julian Assange.
00:03:29.160 He was, I guess, still holed up in the embassy at that time.
00:03:32.580 And Assange told her, and Ratner's talked about this, that the Russians were not the source.
00:03:38.640 to the emails. It was somebody inside of the DNC. And Ed Butowski has testified that Ratner told him
00:03:47.080 that Assange said it came from Seth Rich and actually encouraged Butowski to reach out and
00:03:53.620 contact the Rich family. And so that immediately raises questions, you know, is this a botched
00:03:59.140 robbery or something worse going on? But as you noted, the D.C. police have always said this is
00:04:06.000 a botched robbery. Nothing was taken. A lot of just the immediate circumstances of the case
00:04:12.920 look odd. But we learned years later, for example, that the Metropolitan Police allowed Seth Rich's
00:04:20.620 brother to come to DC immediately and then abscond with his personal laptop. Now, I've got two
00:04:27.700 brothers. If one of those brothers got murdered, I don't think my first instinct would be, well,
00:04:32.020 I'm going to go fly to where they are and I'm going to take their laptop.
00:04:35.540 But they allowed him to take the laptop for years, though.
00:04:39.580 The FBI said, you know, I saw my first FOIA request in 20 FOIA requests.
00:04:45.120 Sorry. Twenty seventeen. And the FBI said we got nothing.
00:04:48.760 You know, we had nothing to do with the case. Now, as of a couple of years ago,
00:04:53.300 we're up to two laptops that they've had possession of that belong to Seth Rich, a computer disk, thousands of pages of documents.
00:05:02.020 So we know the FBI has been lying about what it has. Of course, they separately discovered a bunch of burn bags after Christopher Wray resigned. They found a bunch of burn bags. The FBI has agreed to search those burn bags and see if there's anything in there about Seth Rich. But, you know, this has been going on for nine years. And I thought when the Trump administration took over, it would be a whole new day. And they're fighting me as hard as they ever have.
00:05:28.160 What I've been told from forensic folks, Ty, is the amount of information that was stolen from the DNC would have been far too big.
00:05:35.740 The data file is far too big for someone to have sent it via, we'll just say Dropbox for all intensive purposes or some sort of media file share.
00:05:43.060 This was terabytes of data that was actually extracted.
00:05:46.920 I think I've spoken to Roger Stone about this, actually physically extracted of a hard drive plugged into something and extracted out.
00:05:54.540 Is that something you've ever confirmed?
00:05:56.160 Yeah, there are a couple of technical indicators that this was not a hack.
00:06:02.260 The Russians would have had to come in remotely to hack this. 0.84
00:06:06.840 And you're right that the data speeds, the transfer speeds, would not have been fast enough to move this much data.
00:06:13.420 There's also a file numbering system.
00:06:16.520 And I'm not an expert on this, but I've talked to several IT guys, one including our own IT expert.
00:06:21.640 However, the file markings on these particular files from the DNC are consistent with loading to something like a thumb drive.
00:06:31.320 So technically, it looks like an inside job.
00:06:34.500 But as you know, the FBI supposedly never looked at any of that.
00:06:38.400 They farmed it out to CrowdStrike, which also happens to be the in-house IT company serving the Democratic National Committee.
00:06:45.900 To my knowledge, and I'm an ex-cop, I have never heard of the FBI or any other agency allowing the supposed victim of a computer crime to go hire its own private company in lieu of a law enforcement investigation.
00:07:02.060 And yet that's exactly what happened here.
00:07:04.280 What do we know that was confirmed on that hard drive?
00:07:06.740 Obviously, we've seen the emails, you know, the stuff that they were rigging the DNC primary against Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton.
00:07:16.880 What do we know that was on on those thumb drives that were allegedly stolen by Russia?
00:07:21.780 Well, we don't. They won't really other than what was published by WikiLeaks, other than what got out through WikiLeaks.
00:07:26.860 We don't know anything. The judge ordered the ordered the FBI to produce the contents of the laptops,
00:07:35.040 including the metadata, over a year and a half ago.
00:07:39.460 To you?
00:07:40.180 To me, yeah.
00:07:41.320 And in March of last year, so we're now at the one-year mark,
00:07:44.960 the FBI just defied his order and hasn't turned over the stuff.
00:07:48.700 So I filed a motion to show cause, to force the FBI to show cause
00:07:52.740 while they shouldn't be held in contempt by the court,
00:07:55.120 still waiting on the court to rule on it.
00:07:57.020 But then I thought, okay, Cash Patel takes over, you know,
00:08:00.340 in the Trump administration, that would solve the problem.
00:08:03.480 Cash hasn't done anything.
00:08:05.040 Before we get into that, I want to delve into Cash a little bit further and why he would want to do this.
00:08:10.840 I want to talk a little bit about the scene of the crime.
00:08:14.020 No gun ever recovered.
00:08:17.920 Police reports showed some very odd things that you wouldn't see in a classic robbery case.
00:08:26.320 Nobody saw any of the victims shot in the back, which is, as a cop, not consistent with someone who's being robbed.
00:08:34.120 So many inconsistencies about that, Ty.
00:08:37.460 Yeah, you know, and there are there are a lot of inconsistencies.
00:08:42.060 I mean, if it were it were just the murder by itself, then you can say, OK, maybe he turned to run away.
00:08:48.520 That's why they shot him in the back, for example.
00:08:50.860 But then when you combine that with all this evidence that he was the source of the leaks and you have both the MPD and now the FBI just saying reflexively, no botched, just was a botched robbery.
00:09:03.060 And they don't want to look any further than that.
00:09:05.840 It's like it was determined a priori.
00:09:08.400 We're going to call this a botched robbery and no amount of evidence is going to cause
00:09:12.240 us to do otherwise, which only makes it even that much more suspicious.
00:09:16.500 At what point in time do you think the FBI was involved?
00:09:18.960 Do you think they were involved from day one?
00:09:20.300 Because they said back in 2017 they had no involvement.
00:09:22.920 Now it's clear.
00:09:23.720 And I guess they've still never confirmed involvement.
00:09:26.660 Is that right?
00:09:27.260 They did.
00:09:28.520 They didn't want to.
00:09:29.480 They were forced into it.
00:09:30.720 One of the prosecutors. So D.C. is unique. It's the really the only place I can think of in the country where local or what would otherwise be state crimes are also prosecuted by federal prosecutors. Right.
00:09:43.980 And so it was a federal prosecutor assigned to the murder case. She's a partisan Democrat. And she went out, ran her mouth some and admitted on air that the FBI had involved, been involved. So that's when I had first had evidence, clear evidence. Yeah, FBI was involved. Took that to the court in Texas. I think that helped persuade the court in Texas to order the FBI to look further.
00:10:07.220 but we know that early on the fbi was involved that they were out interviewing people around
00:10:14.520 the country that they were taking laptops even as they were simultaneously saying nope we're not
00:10:19.500 involved it's so troubling to me to think that uh even now with a new fbi with the new fbi director
00:10:31.860 that they're still continuing to hide this and not want to get the word out.
00:10:36.340 What do you think that is in this hard drive or in these documents that the FBI is concealing that it's so bad?
00:10:45.480 I mean, we've seen, Ty, over the last 10 years, we've seen some of the worst things happen in this country,
00:10:49.920 including trying to overthrow a duly elected president, indict him 700 years in jail.
00:10:55.840 I mean, you know what's gone on with democracy in this country.
00:10:59.940 What can be in those documents that's so damning to this country that the FBI just can't come forward, even under Kash Patel?
00:11:09.020 Yeah, great question. And I wondered a lot about that.
00:11:11.480 One thought that that I that I have said for most of the last year is that in the Southern District of Florida, of course,
00:11:20.280 they're building what they call the grand conspiracy case related to Arctic Frost and all these other conspiracies to overthrow Trump.
00:11:26.860 So painting it as charitably as possible to Bondi, to Pam Bondi, DOJ, Cash Patel, FBI, they're wanting to keep some of this under wraps until the grand jury in South Florida can decide who to indict and when.
00:11:44.020 That's the most charitable explanation.
00:11:46.900 But I'm not buying that anymore.
00:11:49.120 I mean, they've had enough time to make this happen.
00:11:53.480 It really doesn't make sense.
00:11:54.920 And what concerns me, one thing that concerns me about Patel is, you know, he goes out on TV and he doesn't do it as much right now.
00:12:01.680 He talks about the brave men and women of the FBI did XYZ.
00:12:05.380 I think he's still trying to protect the image of that agency to an extent.
00:12:10.880 And what I analogize it to is if you've got stage four cancer and you go in to see your doctor, you don't want to tell you how good your skin looks and your blood pressure and how great your hair is.
00:12:20.840 You want to know about the cancer.
00:12:22.320 And I think most of this country is fed up with the corruption in the FBI.
00:12:27.680 And I think Kash Patel is still trying to protect the image of the agency.
00:12:32.200 And I think that's just a terrible mistake.
00:12:35.240 Let's go with the one in a trillion possibility of what you just said was true at the top that Pam Bondi has this.
00:12:41.600 Wouldn't it be as simple as to say, because the FBI does this all the time to try to deflect and deny, come back to you and say, well, listen, Mr. Clevenger.
00:12:50.800 This is the subject. This material is a subject of an ongoing investigation.
00:12:55.020 Sure. Nothing we can do.
00:12:57.280 They've kind of done that. But what what they did, I'm glad you asked that question, is they've they've they've said it's related to an ongoing investigation.
00:13:05.220 But they've referenced the Natic show. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. 0.62
00:13:09.580 The Russian agent indictments. So Natic show and all these other Russians were indicted by a D.C. grand jury years ago for allegedly hacking the DNC. 0.64
00:13:20.360 And they're claiming that case is the basis for withholding because it's related to that supposed criminal investigation.
00:13:28.820 But that begs the question, you know, if the Russians were the source or the thieves that stole this data, then why do you care about Seth Rich?
00:13:39.480 So that doesn't make much sense either.
00:13:41.860 No, none. I mean, none of the thing makes sense.
00:13:43.880 The thing that makes the least amount of sense to me is is the family and God rest this poor man's soul who's now, I mean, a victim of many crimes here.
00:13:54.680 The people came out. They tried to figure out what's going on.
00:13:58.200 Listen, if my parents or my family didn't try to get to the bottom of whoever murdered me, I'd be up in heaven and I'd be spitting fire down on them to not get to the bottom of it.
00:14:09.800 rather go litigious and sue anyone for trying to figure out to me. It doesn't make sense to me.
00:14:17.920 Yeah, that is another very strange situation. I think what we witnessed after Seth's murder
00:14:24.540 was one of the first opening salvos of lawfare from the left. I suspected this at the time,
00:14:31.600 and now I think there's a lot more evidence for it. They were represented by firms,
00:14:38.100 big, giant, multinational law firms, overwhelmingly Democrat firms.
00:14:43.760 And it was multiple firms.
00:14:44.900 One firm represented the parents.
00:14:46.980 One firm represented the brother.
00:14:49.000 One firm represented a PR agent for the family.
00:14:52.300 And they just started filing lawsuits right and left to shut people up.
00:14:58.160 Well, one of those lawyers, actually the lawyer that represented the parents,
00:15:01.020 later sued the two women in Florida, the election workers in Fulton County. 1.00
00:15:08.360 He sued Mayor Giuliani, Rudy Giuliani, on their behalf to shut down anyone who was saying that
00:15:17.100 those election workers had done anything illegal. He's now working with a foundation
00:15:21.140 that does that kind of stuff. So I think it was. It was an opening salvo. Of course,
00:15:26.600 lawfare takes multiple facets. They work through the state bars. They work through
00:15:31.820 local prosecutors, Soros prosecutors. But one aspect of it is they get these giant firms
00:15:38.740 to throw millions of dollars worth of resources into just shutting people up.
00:15:44.060 And it worked. Sadly, it worked. And I helped on one of those cases. And it gets to the point
00:15:49.040 where you're so overwhelmed. And then the judges in D.C. inevitably are hostile and they're
00:15:53.900 working against you and even if you get past the hostile judge you're going to have a hostile jury
00:15:58.400 pool and the game is really rigged and so people can be and have been sued into silence and that's
00:16:05.340 part of their strategy i remember i had just gotten to fox news to work there ty uh working
00:16:10.420 for lou dobbs uh as this case was brought against fox and against hannity against lou and i'll never
00:16:16.220 forget um nothing was disclosed so i didn't know the inside details of it because there wasn't any
00:16:22.640 hearings or anything like that but i'll never forget um i i had we're planning at the time i
00:16:29.340 guess it was going to start depositions and i'll never forget that night at midnight a press
00:16:34.040 release came out that said fox news had agreed to settle and uh lou never said anything to me about
00:16:39.460 it but the look of just disgust in his eyes because he didn't go out there and and just
00:16:46.500 spew what he didn't believe everything he went out and said he believed when he went out there
00:16:50.560 got sued for the stolen 2020 election um they can go out and read the thousands of text messages
00:16:55.840 just between he and i alone where he believed and i believed and we all believe that the election
00:17:00.040 was stolen and that we all do that was just the first uh set of defeat that fox decided to settle
00:17:07.960 then they go on and they settle about the stolen 2020 election after making us sit through hours
00:17:12.240 of depositions where i sat with some of the dumbest lawyers ever seen in my life but it's just so sad 0.92
00:17:18.440 that when you have deep pockets like that, that they're so willing to roll. 0.95
00:17:22.300 Why was Fox so willing to roll over and say, we're sorry,
00:17:26.420 even though Lou and Hannity did absolutely nothing wrong.
00:17:30.020 They did their journalistic duties like they would do for anybody who was murdered,
00:17:34.960 which they probably done.
00:17:36.160 And you know what, Ty, sometimes you get things wrong.
00:17:38.120 You make a mistake, you correct the mistake, and you move on.
00:17:41.940 But the litigiousness of this to go this fast, this fast forward,
00:17:45.380 when they literally were questioning why and how their son was murdered.
00:17:50.360 It made zero sense to me.
00:17:52.640 Yeah, it's funny you bring that up.
00:17:54.500 I just had lunch with a lawyer friend.
00:17:56.340 He used to work together.
00:17:57.940 Now he's got a small friend in Texas.
00:17:59.940 And he said Fox has become controlled opposition.
00:18:02.860 And in many respects, I think that's right.
00:18:04.260 They are controlled opposition.
00:18:06.780 And both the lawsuit over Seth Rich and the election lawsuits,
00:18:11.260 I think, illustrates some of that.
00:18:12.540 Sure, they were sued in hostile venues. You have to go in front of liberal judges, liberal juries. But I was representing Ed Butowski at the time, and I was begging Fox, hold off, don't settle. And I was asking them to pursue certain avenues of investigation. They had no interest. They weren't trying to get to the bottom of this. They just wanted to roll over and make it go away. And that's what they did.
00:18:37.880 Yeah, when you cut the check, Ty, a lot of things disappear, like depositions, discovery, any sort of chances of going to trial where people are put under oath.
00:18:48.660 And from all accounts on the election side of things, what I was told from people was the reason Fox settled is because they didn't want to get Rupert on the stand.
00:18:56.580 They were terrified because of how much influence he had behind the decision making at Fox.
00:19:02.420 And he wasn't the chairman of the board. So you have shareholder responsibility there.
00:19:06.180 So I think they figured, let's just settle because the lawsuits we're going to get from our shareholders are going to exceed this small lump sum payment that we pay.
00:19:15.020 I was on their star witness list to testify at that trial in Delaware.
00:19:21.080 Lou was on it. I was on the witness list actually for Fox and for, I guess, Smartmatic was the first one that they settled on.
00:19:27.280 And I was looking forward to it, Ty. They got me in there.
00:19:29.420 They said, do you want to sit down with your lawyer and do you want to prepare?
00:19:33.180 We're going to need about five or six hours to prepare you.
00:19:35.440 I said, there's nothing to prepare about.
00:19:36.860 I'm going to go in there and I'm just going to tell the truth.
00:19:39.300 There's no reason for me to sit there and prepare how to answer a question.
00:19:43.020 You asked me a question and I answer truthfully.
00:19:46.300 And I'm not going to lie, Ty.
00:19:47.880 I hope the videos come out one day of what I did to those lawyers because it was embarrassing as a man who's never stepped foot in a courtroom before.
00:19:56.960 Let's go back to the Seth Rich thing.
00:19:59.140 Let's go back to Pam Bondi and to Cash Patel.
00:20:02.140 Have you ever had an avenue to either of them to just ask the simple question, why, why, why?
00:20:11.140 I so I wrote a letter to Patel and Bondi on April 18th of last year, and I raised the fact that the FBI then and now was was violating a court order to turn over this evidence and was potentially subject to being held in contempt.
00:20:28.920 But I also laid out the whole history of this case, explained this goes to the heart of the whole Russia collusion scandal, hoax, fiasco, and sent it to them, copied it to multiple people in the White House, to Tulsi Gabbard, John Radcliffe at CIA, sent this stuff certified to make sure they got it.
00:20:52.040 But I also had someone who knew Patel personally make sure he got a copy of it.
00:21:00.220 And I'm told that what Patel said was he couldn't get involved, which, OK, that blows my mind.
00:21:07.000 You're the director of the FBI and we're pointing out clear evidence that your agency is violating a court order and covering up evidence and he can't get involved.
00:21:16.980 But it's gotten worse since then.
00:21:18.980 And I, you know, I've got clients and friends who have personally reached out to members of Congress on the Hill.
00:21:26.800 I've been asked to send the same information to members of Congress.
00:21:30.860 I've sent it to them.
00:21:32.300 I've sent it to other people in the administration.
00:21:34.940 I know there are people within the administration who are circulating it.
00:21:38.660 And here we are almost a year later.
00:21:40.760 Nothing's happening.
00:21:41.500 do you think this runs deeper than the fbi do you think this runs down to the cia to the dni
00:21:51.980 to any really yeah yeah we also filed some foyer requests on the cia because uh my my main
00:22:00.500 investigator previously worked in intel and told me that he thought the cia had inserted some of
00:22:08.580 what I'll call fingerprints into the emails that were published by WikiLeaks,
00:22:14.260 little Russian words here and there to try to make it look like Russians were involved in the
00:22:20.240 hacking. So I filed a FOIA to the CIA to ask whether they had inserted any fingerprints or
00:22:28.660 done anything like that, manipulated it to try to attribute it to the Russians. If they had done
00:22:33.180 that, that would be illegal, which is important for two reasons. One, because it's illegal,
00:22:38.000 But also, you cannot use the FOIA national security exemptions. You can't classify something to conceal illegal activity. So that was important. And we filed the FOIA to the CIA. And after we sued them, they finally came back and said, we can neither confirm nor deny that we did that.
00:22:57.660 Well, you know, if you're normally if you're accused of breaking the law, the first thing you want to say is, well, of course, we never would have done that.
00:23:06.040 But instead, they're asserting a national security exemption.
00:23:09.700 So we're litigating that right now because there is an executive order that says you cannot use that that neither confirm nor deny to conceal illegal activity.
00:23:19.660 So hopefully we'll get a court decision soon.
00:23:21.460 But the whole thing – and we're, of course, we're getting more information about the involvement of Obama, Susan Rice, and all the other bad actors.
00:23:30.200 So I think this will show that they have known from day one that the Russians had nothing to do with this, that this was contrived from the outset, that the whole thing truly was a hoax.
00:23:43.660 Let me ask you this.
00:23:45.100 About a year ago – I guess it's almost a year to the date – where the judge ordered the FBI to turn over the hard drives to you or the computer.
00:23:51.460 And that was the other weird thing.
00:23:52.440 It was like, we have the laptop.
00:23:53.820 Okay, no, we don't have the laptop, but we have this hard drive.
00:23:56.660 Now we have a hard drive and a laptop.
00:23:58.440 How do you have the hard drive with the laptop?
00:24:00.220 Anyone knows these new laptops,
00:24:02.780 so you get the solid-state hard drives soldered into the computer.
00:24:05.760 So to get a hard drive out of a laptop is virtually,
00:24:10.020 and it's not just Mac, it's everything, virtually impossible these days.
00:24:15.260 Number one, did they ever –
00:24:17.800 Well, here's another crazy thing.
00:24:18.920 I think it was 22, they were telling me, we have the laptops, but we've never examined them.
00:24:25.060 Yeah, okay.
00:24:25.980 I mean, we took the evidence, but we never looked at it.
00:24:29.040 I mean, you're supposed to be the world's premier law enforcement agency.
00:24:33.360 You never looked at the evidence.
00:24:34.820 Now, is this the same laptop that the brother came and took?
00:24:38.860 Yes, he took the personal laptop.
00:24:42.100 Supposedly, he eventually brought it back.
00:24:44.140 That's why we requested the metadata.
00:24:45.960 We wanted to know if something was deleted.
00:24:48.380 They have not turned over any metadata.
00:24:51.040 And separately, they got the work laptop from the DNC.
00:24:54.500 So at this moment, sitting here on Friday, March 13th, what does the FBI have in possession that you can confirm?
00:25:04.200 They've got the two laptops.
00:25:06.440 They've got a disk.
00:25:10.860 And then they have they initially said as many as 20,000 responsive pages.
00:25:16.800 Then they narrowed it down to 3000. I think there's probably more. I did recently. Actually, I served discovery on the FBI, which is unusual in a FOIA case.
00:25:29.400 Typically, you don't get to serve interrogatories or have depositions or any anything like that.
00:25:35.220 And I won't go into the particulars of why we can do that in this case. I expect the I expect the FBI is going to fight me tooth and nail.
00:25:41.460 But I've asked them specifically about these, you know, recently Patel revealed that there have been these prohibited access files.
00:25:51.860 So the information system within the FBI, they call Sentinel.
00:25:57.980 And within Sentinel, they would designate things prohibited access, which means anybody else inside the FBI except the very top level, people could not see the files.
00:26:06.160 So effectively, any FOIA requester was never even going to know those files were there because they'd been designated prohibited access.
00:26:13.300 So I've asked the FBI to to search the prohibited access files.
00:26:18.120 Supposed to hear from them this week, hopefully next, about whether they're willing to do that.
00:26:21.660 We'll see.
00:26:23.020 My goodness, it's so sad and so sick to think that this is how far we've come.
00:26:27.700 I talk to Roger Stone about this all the time, and he, by the way, he sends his regards and says that you do a great deal of work.
00:26:33.440 We read about it every time you put out on the Gateway Pundit.
00:26:36.160 who also has been on top of this story since day one.
00:26:40.640 Tell me, Ty, and this is your opinion, okay?
00:26:43.340 Let's make it clear that your opinion, okay?
00:26:46.580 What do you think happened on that night, situation to situation?
00:26:55.180 That's where I have the least degree of certainty.
00:26:58.520 I am convinced beyond a reason for that.
00:27:00.800 I'm saying leading up to it and everything.
00:27:02.700 How leading up to it?
00:27:04.140 yeah so um and and i i can't divulge all the evidence that i'm relying on for this
00:27:12.140 but i absolutely believe that seth rich was the source of the leaks to julian assange
00:27:19.340 i think the dnc found out about it um and i think seth had some help i can't say who for
00:27:29.100 a variety of reasons right now who that who i think that help was but i think he had help
00:27:34.500 um i think everybody else has been sued into silence he i he leaked the emails to wikileaks
00:27:40.260 and then he shows up dead you know so you tell me whether or not that's suspicious
00:27:45.360 i think it stinks to high heavens uh referring to help someone inside of the dnc someone inside
00:27:52.080 the federal government i think it was i think it was a u.s source but i think they were on the
00:27:57.160 outside of the dnc i don't think it was i don't think the government helped do this uh i don't
00:28:03.560 think that i don't think the government helped with the initial transfer to wikileaks but i do
00:28:07.960 think he had help do you think julian assange knows what happened i think he knows exactly what
00:28:12.360 happened um anything well i he my understanding is he got a lot of because well wikileaks offered
00:28:21.160 a twenty thousand dollar reward yeah for information leading to finding out who killed
00:28:25.720 Seth, which was the first time and the last time that they've ever done that. I think he got some
00:28:31.240 internal pushback from WikiLeaks because they typically don't name sources. And he all but
00:28:36.440 named Seth as a source, even though Seth was deceased at that point. I think Julian Assange,
00:28:45.640 and I say this out of respect to him, I think he's protecting the person who assisted Seth Rich.
00:28:51.080 Wow. Yeah, I think I think he feels a moral duty to that other person to stay quiet.
00:29:00.260 And I respect that. Do you think the FBI knows who this person is? Absolutely. Sick.
00:29:05.220 Totally, totally sick. Have you and you don't have to answer this question if you don't want to. 0.99
00:29:08.920 Have you ever spoken to Julian Assange? No, not directly.
00:29:12.520 I mean, I've communicated with online with Kim Dotcom and with Assange's wife.
00:29:18.160 I've not spoken directly with Julian Assange.
00:29:21.080 And I hope Donald Trump pardons him and Edward Snowden.
00:29:25.440 You know, if you would have said that 10 years ago, I would have said you're crazy just based on everything.
00:29:31.460 But now that we're in this this situation we're in today and just yesterday, I spoke to a former senior NSA.
00:29:36.980 He's on the show all the time. Whistleblower. He blew the whistle on the Patriot Act.
00:29:39.840 His name is Russ Tice and he's a patriot. And I was explaining to him, Ty.
00:29:44.700 It was like, you know, 10, 15 years ago, you know, if you would have told me 9-11 had to make consistencies to it, I'd say you're crazy. 0.92
00:29:51.080 If you told me we never put a man on the moon, I'd say you're crazy. 0.98
00:29:54.520 If you told me that JFK wasn't killed the way that they told us he was killed, I'd tell you you're crazy.
00:29:59.440 I said, but ever since 2016, we saw what they tried to do to the leading contender, presidential candidate and then future presidential elect.
00:30:08.120 I mean, all bets are off the table.
00:30:10.300 I mean, whistleblowers are the backbone of this country right now.
00:30:14.600 Yeah, the scope of what is now plausible to believe has expanded enormously for reasons similar to yours.
00:30:23.920 I mean, what I've seen since 2016, I can't put anything past deep state at this point.
00:30:29.840 Yep. Ty, you get the last word here. It was a delight talking to you today, and I hope you'll come back and update us as this goes on.
00:30:36.280 You get the last word here. Well, thank you.
00:30:38.360 You know, anybody out there, write your congressman, call them, get on them.
00:30:42.400 Congress is asleep at the wheel. They don't want to touch this. I don't fully understand why,
00:30:47.980 but I think it's going to take a mass citizen uprising to force them to pay attention to this
00:30:52.420 issue. Yeah. Amen. Ty Clevenger, attorney Ty Clevenger, keep up the great work, my friend,
00:30:57.980 and be well. Talk to you soon. Okay. Great seeing you. Thanks everybody for being with us. And
00:31:02.100 thank you to Ty Clevenger for being with us here today. It takes a lot of guts and glory and courage
00:31:06.700 to be investigating something so deep inside the deep state,
00:31:11.620 an absolute atrocity in our federal government,
00:31:14.380 our FBI, and our three-letter agencies
00:31:16.080 to not get to the bottom of this.
00:31:18.060 I mean, it's absolutely a disgrace.
00:31:22.040 We'll see you back here Monday, folks.
00:31:23.880 Have a great weekend.
00:31:25.600 Be sure to join us Monday and each and every night.
00:31:28.620 We'll see you back here Monday, folks.
00:31:29.800 Until then, may God bless you, may God bless America,
00:31:32.860 and may God bless the great Udabs.
00:31:35.140 Have a great weekend, everybody.
00:31:36.700 Thank you.