Criminal Investigation FINALLY OPENED into Major Deep State Operators!
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The hunters are now being hunted. James Comey, John Brennan, and all their boys and girls thought they were going to undermine democracy in this country for the last 10 years. The games are over. The FBI is now launching a formal investigation into Comey and Brennan. And the mainstream media is in full on meltdown mode.
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Hey, President Trump, James Comey and John Brennan, now under criminal investigation
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related to the Trump-Russia probe. Do you want to see these two guys behind bars?
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Well, I know nothing about it other than what I read today, but I will tell you, I think
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they're very dishonest people. I think they're crooked as hell. And maybe they have to pay
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a price for that. I believe they are truly bad people and dishonest people. So whatever
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show. You heard that right. The hunters
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are now being hunted. That's right. James Comey, John Brennan, Clapper, and all their boys and
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girls thought they were going to undermine democracy in this country for 10 years, the last 10 years.
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The games are over. The FBI now launching a formal investigation into Comey and Brennan.
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I assume Clapper will be next. And the mainstream media is in full on meltdown mode. Take a listen.
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We predicted you and I and others that we were going to get to this moment.
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And the question is, what do we do? And the question of what we do is multifaceted. The
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first question is, what do we do? Do we retreat and and hide in the corner? So I'm on TV today,
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not hiding in the corner. I'm not retreating. I'm saying I'm going to stand up and fight.
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And Donald Trump won't intimidate me by by going back to this 2016 stuff. And that's one thing.
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But the other thing we've talked about is what do large institutions do? You know,
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what do civil society groups do? What does the media do? And I am imploring like honestly,
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I'm just imploring the media. Do not report this as a legitimate investigation. Do not report this
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as they're opening a investigation into John Brennan. We will see where it goes. Report this as the
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misuse, the abuse, the authoritarian takeover of the Department of Justice. That should be the
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headline. That line should be in a misuse and abuse of the power of the executive branch. Donald Trump
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has asked his Department of Justice to to open a bogus investigation into John Brennan.
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A misuse and abuse of the Department of Justice. Where is this idiot been for the last 10 years?
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If he hasn't been around for the last 10 years, how about the last year and a half?
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Donald Trump in and out of courtroom, in and out of fingerprinting and mugshotting.
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Are you kidding me? House raided? Wife's closet raided? That wasn't a misuse or abuse of a Justice
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Department? Really? How about the fake Russia collusion hoax that they've ran with for years,
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the Marxist Dems? We've got a little montage for you, just in case you forgot about what the
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Democrats stooges have done to this country for the last 10 years with their Russia collusion
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bullshit. Direct evidence of collusion. I don't want to go into specifics, but I will say that
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there is evidence that is not circumstantial. There is circumstantial evidence of collusion.
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There is circumstantial evidence, certainly of collusion or coordination. There's also
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abundant circumstantial evidence. All you have right now is a circumstantial case.
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Actually, no, Chuck. I can tell you that the case is more than that. And circumstantial evidence
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can be very powerful and is hard evidence. We're also looking at persistent allegations
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that the Russians have been laundering money through the Trump organization. I don't know
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that that's true. The president once said the Saudis are spending tens of millions of dollars
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on my Trump towers and buying apartments for me. Why wouldn't I love the Saudis? Why wouldn't
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I love them? Okay, so they murder journalists, but please, they buy apartments from me. Members
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of that same campaign now in office said, hey, Russians don't do anything about this. We'll
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take care of you because we were doing this together. Obviously, that could be part of a
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broad conspiracy. Do you believe the president of the United States is a Russian asset? He is
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acting like a person who is compromised. The biggest news from Robert Mueller so far is that
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there are no new indictments for that underlying any cooperation and conspiracy with the Russians to
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interfere in our elections. And so what happened on that call? The president communicates to his
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Ukrainian counterpart that the United States has done a lot for Ukraine. No other country has done
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as much as we have. But you know what? I don't see much reciprocity here. But there's not much
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reciprocity here. I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you. What have you done for us?
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We've done so much for you. But there's not much reciprocity. I have a favor I want to ask you.
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And I'm going to say this only seven times. So you better listen good. Of course, the favor is
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to investigate his political rival. That was just Adam Schiff, you know, their biggest pawn,
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their biggest donkey, their biggest idiot who went out on the main stage wherever he could
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catch some airtime. But what about DNI Clapper? James Clapper is not yet under investigation,
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but I think we'll probably be soon thereafter back with Anderson Cooper on CNN talking about
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pretty much staging a coup to overthrow Donald Trump's presidency.
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And oversaw the launch of the Russia investigation. What do you make of this?
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Well, actually, I'm very curious. It's presumably I guess I'm one of those under investigation.
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Yes. I just read the clip about 20 minutes ago. I found the timing interesting, given the
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increasing heat around the impeachment inquiry. And so the timing is interesting. I'll just let go at
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that. And the other thing I wonder about is whether we're talking about the overall investigation of
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the Russian reporting on the Russian interference, or are we talking about the counterintelligence
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investigation that was launched in July by the FBI about potential engagement and collusion,
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whatever you want to call it, between the Russians and the Trump campaign. So I'm very curious about
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what is the alleged criminal activity that prompted this?
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Do you have any idea even what they might think may rise to the level of a criminal offense?
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No, I don't. That's obviously an item of great interest to me. What is it that any of us did that
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would rise to the level of a criminal infraction? And I just don't know.
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Another man who's lost is the man, the very man who's under investigation himself right now.
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John Brennan, take a listen to him last night on CNN.
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If there is an investigation that people will be questioned, I would be questioned about it. But
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again, I've had no contact from them. But again, I testified in front of many, many congressional
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committees in the House and the Senate over the years. And I continue to explain exactly what we did
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during this process, why we tried to make sure we stayed true to our intelligence responsibilities,
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and that we were not going to do anything at all to try to interfere in that election.
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And again, it was a it was a challenging time, but also one, I think that the people who actually
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work this both in terms of trying to collect intelligence prior to the election, and then
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the ones who put together the intelligence assessment, they really, I think, showed the
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best of what the intelligence community and what CIA is made of. So again, I am clueless
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about what it is exactly that they may be investigating me for.
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Once again, where do these people come from? Where have they been for the last 10 years?
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These evil, maniacal people, John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, all of them, Susan Rice,
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they all need to be under investigation. The hunters who once hunted
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for things that were not there now need to be hunted. Games are over. Americans are tired of it.
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We're all tired of it. Donald Trump is tired of it. His family's tired of it. Everyone
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who's went through their hell and back for their hoax. Bunch of total nonsense. Donald Trump,
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he's not worrying about this. He's focused. He's focused on the economy, which, by the way,
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we've got some new numbers out for you. Not to change the subject, but the America,
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the America, the United States, has already brought in over $100 billion in tariff revenue this year.
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They're estimating it'll be over $300 billion for the entire year, and the CBO is estimating over
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$2.8 trillion over the next 10 years. Take a listen to President Trump in his cabinet meeting just
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yesterday. Thank you for taking our questions, Mr. President. You talked about the amount of
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external revenue the country has brought in thanks to your tariffs. Can you talk about how these
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hundreds of billions of dollars that are getting brought in will help grow the country, and what
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do you hope to put it towards? Well, bigger than the tariffs actually are the fact that when you
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charge the tariffs at a certain point, they say, well, we can't pay those tariffs. It doesn't make
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economic sense. These are wealthy countries, and they or their companies will come into our country
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and build, and that's what's actually happening. If you had a very low tariff, there'd be no incentive
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to do that. If you have no tariff, like we used to have, which is so stupid, it's not even believable,
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but then obviously they make their product the product in their country. They have the jobs,
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they have the income, they have the taxes, they have everything, and they just send it in to us,
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and it's jobs that we wouldn't get. Now the wheel is turned, and what we're doing is we're, I mean,
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more important, we're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars, money that we've never seen
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before, but more important than that, we have a lot of people that would rather not have to pay
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that, so they're coming in and they're building plants. AI, I mean, we're leading everybody,
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including China, by a lot with AI. They're building their own plant. You heard me say yesterday,
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they're building their own electric generating plants to go along with the factories or plants
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that they're building. If they want to do that, we're getting them fast approvals, very fast
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turnarounds. They're using mostly natural gas to start off, but they're using coal. They have
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the right to use coal. They have the right to use nuclear. Nuclear has come a long way in the last
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five years, so we're getting them very fast approvals. We have factories and plants building at a level
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that we've never had in this country before. The economy is humming, and it's all thanks to
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Donald Trump and his very, very smart cabinet of people, one of them being Scott Besson.
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Go ahead, please. Yes, sir. We will have taken in about $100 billion in tariff income thus far this
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year, and that's with the major tariffs not having started until the second quarter. So we could
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expect that that could be well over $300 billion by the end of the year. We don't agree with CBO
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scoring, but for those who do, the CBO scored tariff income over the next 10 years at $2.8 trillion,
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which we think is probably low. And, you know, sir, under your leadership, we're witnessing.
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And they gave us no credit for this last little, the great, big, beautiful bill. I only use the
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word great. I add that to it because it really is what it is. There's never been anything like it,
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actually. And I want to thank all the Republicans that voted for it. And I want to, you know,
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scold the Democrats because they're voting for tax cuts. They're voting for no tax on tips,
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no tax on social security, no tax on overtime. And, you know, many, many other things far more
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important than that. Great health care. If that wasn't enough for you and you're not sold yet on
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the America first Trump agenda, American born workers, it's new reporting out from job numbers,
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American born workers gained 2 million jobs since January. You don't even want to know how many
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non-foreign workers lost jobs, half a million foreign born 550,000. So Americans are booming. The
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economy is booming. And Donald Trump has us well on our way to this golden age. And this is all the
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while Joe Biden's former doctor, Dr. O'Connor was on Capitol Hill yesterday. And he pled the fifth
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in a 20 minute interview, 16 times, just under about a fifth of the minute, a minute. What does he have
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to hide? What is he hiding? We all want to know. We want to know what's going on. James Comer is getting
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ready. Now the house oversight, chairman Comer, getting ready to take the next steps in what will be a
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subpoenaing him to get some answers on just what the public should know about what went on during the
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Biden administration. The public right to know. And we want to know. Folks, our guest today after the
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other side of this quick break is going to be our good friend of the show, leading pollster in the
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nation, Robert Trafalgar. I call him Robert Trafalgar. His name is Robert Cahaley of the Trafalgar group.
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Call him Robert Trafalgar. Robert Cahaley joins us on the other side of this quick break
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with some very, very big news on what he's working on to keep polling honest in this country
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and what he's going to do to ensure that happens. Stay with us, folks. We're coming right back on the
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other side of this quick break. The Great America Show is just getting started.
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Robert Cahaley, it's a delight to have you back on The Great America Show. Let's start with first
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everything that's going on in the world right now. It seems each day that goes by the news cycle just
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gets crazier and crazier and crazier. You had the fallout with Elon Musk. You had the bombings in
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Iran. You've got the war with Iran. You've got Russia ramping up a war with Ukraine. I mean,
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you go down the list. And then this week we find out from the Department of Justice that
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the Epstein case is closed and go on about your days. What's going on in the world in America?
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Your take on it all, Robert. Well, you know, I think what's really funny is that when you listen
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to the news now, every single story comes back to Trump. I don't think we're used to having this
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kind of an information overload. I mean, part of it is just that there's so much built-in media bias
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against him. And part of it is he's so active as a president. There's so many things going on
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at one time. I mean, you know, his different departments are always making major changes
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and making news. And so all this stuff happens at once. And I think that's what is troubling a lot
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of people about the Epstein stuff, because it seems kind of like the opposite momentum of the way that
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they're doing everything else. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. So how does he clear
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this thing up? How does Donald Trump, we see Rasmussen does their daily tracking of polls,
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who's now in your new organization. We're going to talk about a great polling organization that I
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think is long overdue in this country that you're now a big part of. We're going to get to that.
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But Rasmussen does their daily tracking. And Donald Trump back in June, I think, was at a plus
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eight in approval rating. He's now fallen to a minus two since mid June. What are the voters
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stuck on? What do you think is the issue that's got them hung up on why his approval rating is
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taking a little bit of a hit? Well, I think here's the thing. When you look at the, you know,
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the quote unquote, big, beautiful bill, what that is, is it represents what you have to do
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when you have a very small, very, very small margin in the House and a small margin in the Senate?
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You have to pack a lot of things that you don't like into a bill to get it passed. And it will not
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be popular. I mean, it is a jacked little pill, as Lance Marks would say. But the fact is, it was one
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that probably needed to be taken. And sometimes you have, you know, Congress has to take a vote on
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something that's not going to be popular. They know it's not going to be popular, but the parts
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of it and how it is enacted will be popular. And that's what, you know, it gets overshadowed by all
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the other things that were in it and all the scare tactics. And so I think right now, a lot of this is
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residual people who are not happy about something in this massive, omnibus bill, not omnibus, but
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Yes. So you're thinking that's what the primarily what the blowback is for for his approval rating
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right now is the big, beautiful bill. Yeah, I think there's a little bit on the on the Epstein
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stuff, but because people are still just confused, because this has been an administration that
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wants to open the files and get to the bottom of everything. And this just, again, seems to be
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very reversed from what they said and everything else. And and that troubles people.
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But I think that in general, we saw this coming with this thing and it was tough. It was going to
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be tough no matter how you look at it. You know, when people tell me this and we hear this all the
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time, you know, I'm just like, hey, if you're Republican and you don't like it, get yourself a
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300 member House, get yourself a 60 member Senate, and then you can pass a perfect, beautiful bill.
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Yeah, that's what a lot of people don't realize is that so much. And now it's down to even less
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because Mark Green, Congresswoman Mark Green left to go do whatever. I swear, I think these people
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get some sort of tip in their back pocket to just slim this thing down. You remember, I think it was
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Mike Gallagher who went to go work for what is that AI tech company Palantir to go join their board,
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left Congress, left them high and dry. It's like the Republicans. I was telling you this before the
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interview. It's always the Republicans races to lose. They always find a way. The Democrats
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can do the dumbest things and they do the dumbest things in the world imaginable. But the Republicans
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somehow always find a way to top them at stupidity. Well, let me say this in case Palantir is
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listening. If you've got seats on the board, I'll quit all this nonsense. Hey, me too.
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I'm a stockholder in them and I have a lot of confidence in those guys.
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I think my father, Robert, to hurt your feelings, my father bought it back around $12 and begged me
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to buy it. I said, ah, I think I weighed it to like 110 bucks. And I got, I got the 60.
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I'm jealous of you too. But go on. I mean, the Republicans, in my opinion, always find a way
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to screw something up. Yeah, I think so. And I think that it's, you know, it's tough. I mean,
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it's tough right now. But I think in the end, part of what this, I mean, you know, if the premise is
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they find a way to screw this up, what I think I saw the left doing is every time you turn on this
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bill, they were telling you what's bad about it. Yeah. Where were the commercials telling people
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who are working hourly jobs and getting tips, telling people who are working overtime jobs,
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this is going to increase your tax? Where was the benefit to this bill being pushed with the same
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enthusiasm that, that, that the detrimental things about this bill being pushed? I mean,
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that's what's, that's what bothers me is like, where was the counter messaging? We saw it when
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people were interviewed, but the left doesn't wait for just interviews. They put this stuff out.
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They're sending out texts, they're running TV ads, and the right is just basically circling the
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wagons and saying, we'll survive. Yep. And the Republicans are the ones who have the money,
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Robert. Let's go through some numbers here that we just got yesterday out of the Senate leadership.
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The Senate GOP's super top, super PAC and affiliates have more than doubled their fundraising
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records for the first half of the year, bringing $85 million, Robert, $85 million. The Senate
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leadership fund affiliated with one nation have raved over 85 million since the start of the year,
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far more than the 38 million they raised over the same period in 2023. Together, they have $83
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million cash on hand. The Senate leadership fund has 29 million alone on hand. That is three times as
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much as they had in 2023, five times as much as they had in 2021. Where was the messaging in this
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bill? They could have spent millions of dollars on television or, you know, I'm not even sold on
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television anymore. I got to be honest with you, Robert, on digital media, on Facebook, on Instagram,
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on Twitter, on truth, wherever you've got to do it, on podcasts, on the, you know, give us,
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send us out rundowns on, on, you know, this is what it is, you know, which they did after the fact,
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but do it before the fact, this is the key points in it. It's a thousand pages. We're not reading the
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whole thing. They hadn't done any of that. And they, and somehow these people are raising records
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amount of money. Who the heck knows where it's going. It's probably going to fund someone like
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Lindsey Graham for Senate in South Carolina. Well, being from South Carolina, I, I, I, I don't,
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I haven't really seen that kind of activity, but I'll tell you what I did see. Uh, I saw a lot of
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people being told their money was going to help, uh, win Senate races, uh, like, uh, the, the vice,
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you know, current vice president Senate race, uh, and, and like the ones in Iowa and Utah and the money
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found its way, uh, to Lisa Murkowski was in a race with another conservative. Uh, the Senate should have
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literally just stayed out of that. Imagine if you don't have to make the special deals with
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Lisa Murkowski because you got Chabaka in that Senate seat. So, I mean, the problem is sometimes
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those funds go, go to the favorites are played and they don't get what they need, uh, to do.
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I mean, the biggest debacle was Larry Hogan. We pulled that thing three times. We know that was
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not real. And the amount of money poured into that hole was ridiculous.
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Who's giving them this money, Robert? I wouldn't, if I had a trillion dollars in the bank, I wouldn't
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give these guys one red cent. Who is giving them money knowing you're, I forgot about that one. Larry
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Hogan, Lisa Murkowski. I think they'd maybe dump some money into Susan Collins's race, uh, up, up in
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Maine. I mean, who, who gives these people the money and who makes the decision on where to spend it?
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Well, the people who run it, make the decision where to spend it. Uh, but who gives the money
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is a bunch of well-meaning donors who don't know what you just said. That's who gives the money.
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Donors are not told that are not always being treated honest. Now I know there's some new
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leadership over the Senate leadership fund. So, you know, it's, it might be, but the fact is we don't
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know, uh, we haven't seen him go through a, an expenditure cycle yet. So I think we'll know
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more about that in the future. I'm always optimistic that it'll be better, but you know,
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No, you're right. We hadn't seen them go through a cycle yet, but what we did see was
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Mike Johnson and John Thune. Mike Johnson was a little bit better than John Thune, but John Thune
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was kind of silent on this big, beautiful bill. Very lackadaisy, just hanging around. You had guys like
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Ted Cruz are out there championing it harder than your leader. Whereas you've got Chuck Schumer
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out on television every night doing whatever he's got to do, spewing whatever nonsense he's
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got to spew. Hakeem Jeffries. I mean, these people were extremely hyperbolic, the entire
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democratic party, whereas you just had a few Republicans and whatever. And then you've got
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the Republicans who you couldn't get on board, whatever. I understand that Rand Paul had his
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issues or, uh, you know, so on and so forth with the few that voted against it. But these people
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are not unified in my opinion. And it seems to me right now, it's that, uh, John Thune, I don't,
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I don't know if he has a grasp of leadership. Do you think? Well, I can tell you what, what bothers
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me going, going back to the way that, uh, the Senate has been elected. When I see four states
00:24:40.760
that Trump won and the Senate races were lost by just a few points. Yeah. That tells me there's a
00:24:47.740
problem. That the money was not spent the way it should have been. There was money that was not
00:24:54.440
spent in Wisconsin. I mean, you look at how much money got poured into Montana. See, we weren't
00:24:59.120
going to lose that. That guy barely survived in 2018, which was a good year for the Democrats.
00:25:05.740
Now he barely survived in 2018. He's going down. That's what's going down. There was no question
00:25:11.080
about it. Tons of money poured into that one as well. And yet these four races that really
00:25:16.660
needed it, that really needed a boost. You just didn't see it. So when it's all said and done,
00:25:22.980
you know, besides the ones that were cakewalks, one Senate race, Pennsylvania, one out of five
00:25:30.920
that were on the bubble. That's not good enough. Yep. I mean, you could thank Mitch McConnell for
00:25:37.780
that at the time. So we, like you said, um, John Thune hasn't went through a cycle yet. We'll see how he
00:25:42.640
does. Let's, let's talk a little bit about the house side. Do you think, so it's taking Mike
00:25:46.960
Johnson now, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, seven months to finally get his feet a
00:25:54.800
little bit wet to, you know, get ahold of things. It's like Trump had to kick him in his rear end to
00:26:00.860
get the big, beautiful bill passed. Um, they're finally now starting to codify some of president
00:26:05.720
Trump's executive orders, uh, so that the next time we have a Marxist Democrat president, they
00:26:11.400
can't come in and overturn everything he's done. Are you confident in, in Mike Johnson's leadership
00:26:16.480
over on the house side? I'll tell you this. Uh, I probably take a different approach on Mike
00:26:22.500
Johnson. Uh, I think his personality and the fact that people and the, and his intellect and the fact
00:26:30.260
that he's not one who gets rattled too easy, it is very hard job to herd those cats with that slim
00:26:37.860
a majority. And so I look at him and I'm thinking, I mean, in general, I can't, I am in shock that when
00:26:47.300
that bill came back from the Senate, they managed to pass it through the house. I would say, take your
00:26:52.160
hat off. That's amazing. Cause I didn't think they, I was like, Oh God, there's no way they're going to
00:26:57.560
pass it with the way the Senate changed it. And so I feel like he has a grasp over this membership
00:27:02.460
where, you know, where maybe he's gotten the side and said, listen, guys, you know, the old,
00:27:07.800
the old saying we've got to hang together. We're going separately. I mean, I think he has conveyed
00:27:12.700
that message. It is hard to judge any speaker with a majority that small, but what I will tell you
00:27:19.800
about him is he doesn't seem to be hated by any faction. And that's different. This is a guy who would
00:27:26.140
have never won a speaker's race in the normal course of business. It had to be this unique set
00:27:32.160
of circumstances that put him there. And so I'm still feeling that he's hurting these cats very
00:27:38.940
well. You know, the problem that, that I see Robert, when we were kids and we did something
00:27:45.800
wrong, our parents didn't buy us a toy to tell us that we shouldn't do it again. Right. They
00:27:49.920
smacked the piss out of us. We maybe caught a belt. We maybe caught a shoe. We caught some sort of
00:27:55.000
wooden spoon, whatever it was. And that was our wake up call to that. We shouldn't do it again.
00:28:00.660
But with these Republicans, they get a gift. Lisa Murkowski was holding up the bill. She got a
00:28:07.100
gift. So-and-so held up the bill. They got a gift. They got a promise. They got something. They got a
00:28:12.380
leadership role. Doesn't that bring a big problem, Robert, that we're rewarding these people who are
00:28:19.680
going against the party with gifts, with things, with reassurances? Isn't that like the exact opposite
00:28:25.720
of what we're taught as children even? But remember, where's the punishment? Where's the
00:28:32.180
place you really make a senator feel punishment? Is when they're in a hot race and you ignore them.
00:28:38.780
Right. When she was in a hot race, did she get ignored? No. They put her back in there. This lady
00:28:44.620
should have lost in 2022. And the fact they pour that money into her has emboldened her to be a
00:28:52.680
little brat who gets what she wants. I mean, in many ways, we have created a, you know, a group of
00:29:01.120
senators who think that acting out is the way to get more attention and get what you want. But if you
00:29:06.900
want a time to punish is when they're in a heated race. And if they do things that are bad, there ought to be
00:29:13.320
an opponent to create that heated race. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I get a little blowback
00:29:19.760
for saying this, but I don't care because I believe it to be true. What difference is it to
00:29:24.800
have a rhino and a Democrat as senator? If you have a Democrat, at least you know the way they're going
00:29:29.200
to vote on strong Republican bills, Robert, you get a vote like ninety nine to one, not obviously
00:29:35.160
number ninety nine to one. But metaphorically speaking, in the in the conference, you get a vote
00:29:39.800
ninety nine to one on a strong Republican bill on a bill that's down the middle, like
00:29:44.120
the big, beautiful bill that's controversial inside the party. The rhinos usually go the
00:29:49.100
opposite way. So what difference does it make if when you need this person, they're a Democrat
00:29:54.180
anyway? The I mean, you know, to brass tacks, the only real reason you would want a rhino
00:30:01.200
over over a Democrat is because there will be a vote at the beginning to decide who's majority
00:30:08.480
leader. And if you have the most party members, you get to be in the majority. And so that's
00:30:15.820
the only reason you need it. You need them that first day. And while we're talking about that,
00:30:21.660
let me tell you something else that's very frustrating that we will see a major change
00:30:25.580
in the Senate if this was made. You know, we got to watch the House go to 15 votes in
00:30:31.020
public to pick a speaker. So we all knew where every every member stood and we can hold them
00:30:36.200
accountable. When the Senate picks the leadership, it's a secret ballot vote. And that I can promise
00:30:42.640
you, you want to see things change? You make that not a secret ballot vote. You use the most
00:30:48.800
important vote. Any senator makes is profit. That is insane. So how do what's the process
00:30:58.740
on changing that? And how do we? Well, the process is we make every kind of percentage
00:31:03.080
in their race pledge that they will push that they will make it an open vote.
00:31:09.660
I got one better for you. Why don't we go look at the biggest donors to the Senate leadership
00:31:13.580
fund and demand that before the Senate gets another dollar, they do full transparency so we
00:31:20.220
see where the American people are at. And we don't have to, like you said, wonder who voted for Rick
00:31:25.640
Scott and who voted for John Thune or who voted for so-and-so. And who voted for someone who might
00:31:30.620
have run if it was an open vote. But the fact is, getting in front of those donors and telling them
00:31:37.500
that is very difficult. It sounds easy, but it's not. Every one of those guys has got somebody who's
00:31:45.200
in charge of who doing them and telling them exactly that everything is great. I mean, what is being
00:31:52.000
done and the wool that is being pulled over the eyes of so many Republican donors is disgusting.
00:31:59.460
But yet somehow, Robert, they manage and manage to pull in record amounts of money because they're
00:32:05.280
pulling the wool over their eyes. They're not telling the truth. These are everybody who writes
00:32:09.840
these big checks, who puts their fortune on the line is a patriot. And everybody who misuses them
00:32:21.420
You know, I did a back, I guess it's probably about two months ago. I'm familiar with Ed Martin,
00:32:27.500
who was the former acting DC US attorney, big J6 advocate, and Tom Tillis, Senator Tom Tillis,
00:32:34.280
Rhino Tom Tillis came out and said he wouldn't support him because of his role in January 6.
00:32:40.360
He had no role in January 6. He just said agreed with that. These people should have been pardoned,
00:32:44.460
as did the majority of Republicans. So Tom Tillis comes out. So I try to figure out what's going on
00:32:51.600
and string it together. I find out that Ed Martin is going big and going to look big into healthcare and
00:32:57.320
big pharma and vaccines. So I go look at Tom Tillis and see where Tom Tillis is getting his money from.
00:33:03.280
It turns out Tom Tillis is getting the majority of his money from healthcare industries,
00:33:08.280
healthcare professionals, and big pharma. A little bit of a disconnect there.
00:33:13.180
And now, lo and behold, we find out Tom Tillis is not going to run for re-election.
00:33:17.260
We need to, I think, in my opinion, Robert, start holding these people's feet to the fire
00:33:21.500
to make change because otherwise you're not going to get any change and it's just going to be business
00:33:27.720
Well, but think about this. In Tom Tillis' example, he bucked and he knew he couldn't get re-elected.
00:33:35.880
I mean, it's that simple. I mean, think about that. That was the guy who was headed for a re-election
00:33:40.160
and, you know, got derailed. So maybe you need a little more of what happened to Tom Tillis.
00:33:52.860
Speaking of change, you've got a new organization out that you launched with a bunch of honest pollsters,
00:33:59.320
I guess we can say. It's called the National Association of Independent Pollsters.
00:34:05.480
Tell us a little bit about it and what brought you to this point, this inception point, I guess you can say.
00:34:11.640
Well, I think what this group represents is the fact that a lot of us that are consistently being honest
00:34:21.080
and also being accurate, we're frustrated with the fact that the mainstream media continues
00:34:30.580
to reward these pollsters who get it wrong. I mean, if you look at the presidential approval ratings,
00:34:38.420
even when they're down for Trump, the pollsters who have him the worst are all groups that have failed
00:34:47.660
to get the elections right year in and year out. I mean, the way you measure how you are as a pollster
00:34:53.900
is your cumulative error rate. I mean, how far are you from right cycle after cycle?
00:35:03.560
And we've had a solid 10 years we can look at now. And the fact is, there's so many of these that are just not right.
00:35:12.380
And they have a bad system. And what the frustrating thing for us is, again, there's no punishment.
00:35:20.820
I mean, nobody says that worst five results year in and year out, you know, average, they're still there.
00:35:28.380
They still survive. And there are so many other organizations promoting the bad ones.
00:35:34.160
And so, you know, we got together with Big Data, with Rich Ferris and Rasmussen, with Ted and Mitch and Mark and Mark Mitchell
00:35:47.280
and Insider Advantage with Matt Towery, my dear friend, and a Trafalgar group.
00:35:56.200
We all, I mean, we kind of came together one at a time and turned into a conference call.
00:36:01.580
And leading into this last fourth weekend, we said, hey, we've got to do something different.
00:36:06.780
And it's very frustrating. You know, I look at the polling industry.
00:36:10.280
I know this is going to sound strange, kind of like I look at the Cold War.
00:36:15.700
The Soviets had a flawed system and flawed technology.
00:36:24.440
But it still took 20 years for them to crumble.
00:36:27.840
And so we've already proven the other side has a flawed system and flawed technology.
00:36:32.940
And we're just trying to hasten their crumbling and the ones that get it right being rewarded.
00:36:40.280
We're going to invite other polling firms and pollsters that are truly independent and have a record of getting it right.
00:36:48.300
And this is going to be an organization people look to to trust.
00:36:52.320
We're not going to tell them how to poll because we recognize they do it right already.
00:36:56.420
But we are going to share ideas and understanding and do like any organization should.
00:37:05.320
I mean, there has to be a counter narrative and an organization for pollsters where we can come together and celebrate the fact that we're honest.
00:37:13.280
And we're trying to reflect the electorate, unlike so many of the pollsters that are trying to affect the electorate.
00:37:23.120
The other thing, I don't know if you said it, but I'm going to reiterate it.
00:37:26.780
It's American-made pollsters, pollsters that are here in America, not in other countries like Brazil.
00:37:33.800
Not saying Atlas Intel is based in Brazil, but they're based in Brazil and their founders got me blocked on Twitter right now.
00:37:42.260
I don't know what I said to them, but I think I upset him something.
00:37:46.980
But that aside, I look at the pollster industry, Robert.
00:37:50.660
You ever hear the, I guess, saying or a phrase that the art industry is one of the largest money laundering operations in America because it's untraceable?
00:38:01.560
I think the polling industry is now at the top of one of the largest money laundering operations in the world.
00:38:10.320
You look at, Robert, you mentioned about getting it right.
00:38:13.100
New York Times and Siena, who is constantly at the top on the 538 list or whatever list you look at, got some races wrong in 2020 by 10 points, 9 to 10 points.
00:38:29.020
And somehow these people are regarded as the gold standard, according to Nate Silver or some of these other pollster organizations.
00:38:35.800
But that's because their ratings do not depend on error rate alone.
00:38:40.740
They start doing all, they use all kind of other nebulous things to add points and then subtract points.
00:38:47.380
You know, and what they consider transparency, what they consider methodology.
00:38:53.580
I mean, there are pollsters out there who are using online panels and not even voters to do their polling.
00:39:02.260
You've got to be weird enough to care about politics enough to constantly get polls.
00:39:08.820
They don't like getting polls and they sure aren't going to talk for 20 or 30 or 30 minutes.
00:39:14.120
So, you know, there's so much of these guys, what these guys do is flawed.
00:39:20.820
And so we need an organization that is going to recognize the ones who do it right.
00:39:26.400
And there's, you know, there's no other way to measure than cumulative error rate.
00:39:32.260
And when you look at them, you can throw out the bad ones as easy as file.
00:39:36.420
When you take a Scantron test, Mark, I called you Mark, Robert.
00:39:40.900
When you take a Scantron test, when you take the SATs, it's either right or it's wrong.
00:39:47.160
Not if you thought it was maybe B, but you chose C.
00:39:59.000
And I think there's a very big line between being wrong and being evil.
00:40:08.780
I don't think these people are wrong on accident, Robert.
00:40:14.200
It is frustrating for those of us who are polling and who are obviously, you know, a Republican.
00:40:20.320
They say, well, you're a Republican, so your polls must be skewed to the right.
00:40:24.480
But at the same time, OK, well, you're from a news organization that skews left.
00:40:31.900
But we have to accept that your polls are right down the middle.
00:40:36.820
Why don't we judge us not based on that, but based on the error rate?
00:40:41.200
And then look, when your error rate is constantly off and way off and, you know, it seems in so many races like they're trying to create a narrative.
00:40:56.760
Yeah, I think sometimes there's some fingers on the scale.
00:41:00.040
There's no question that you see a little bit of this.
00:41:05.000
And I think it gets worse the more they get away with it.
00:41:11.860
I mean, all these news outlets continue to run that.
00:41:15.600
I mean, I say all the time, if the group that put out the presidential approval has failed in elections, you can ignore it.
00:41:26.160
Just look at the rate from the people who get it right.
00:41:32.480
I don't mean to out you, Robert, that you're rich, but polling is not.
00:41:38.020
But the guys at Atlas Intel are not exactly living in a dungeon somewhere.
00:41:44.940
I mean, it could run people a lot of money and there's people who run polls a lot.
00:41:49.000
So what is the point of paying a pollster, Robert, in a race if I'm running for Congress to give me fake results where at the end of the day, the people know it's bullshit?
00:42:01.100
Well, first of all, the internal polls are usually a lot more accurate than than the ones that are public, because, again, sometimes the public polls are meant to affect the electorate, not reflect the electorate.
00:42:13.760
But and so getting good data is very, very important.
00:42:18.720
And it is valuable and it is, you know, it is worth it because, you know, I think one of the things we have on one of our little tokens we give out as a poker chip is that there's nothing more there's nothing more expensive than bad information.
00:42:38.620
Yeah. And so it's like you should spend a poll for good information.
00:42:44.720
But the fact is, yeah, I think there are people who are funding things that are designed to skew what is really going on.
00:42:52.080
And I think there's no greater example of that than what happened in Iowa.
00:43:01.860
And, you know, and I always heard, oh, it's such an immaculate record.
00:43:05.580
And I'm like, well, last time I checked, she got the Iowa caucuses wrong with with Trump.
00:43:15.760
And even and even this time she had Nikki Haley in the second when Nikki Haley finished third.
00:43:25.040
But the fact is, so she wasn't that so accurate to begin with.
00:43:31.020
And it's like it was like almost like, you know, she's going out.
00:43:34.980
And, you know, for her sake, I hope she got a big payday.
00:43:40.640
I mean, you look at the top quote unquote polling averages, but skewed even more toward Kamala Harris at that moment.
00:43:49.140
Now, they'll lie about it now, but they were all saying Kamala Harris is going to more likely to win than lose.
00:43:59.980
She lost the popular vote, which the Democrats told us that was a gold standard.
00:44:03.900
Robert, in 2016, when Trump lost the popular vote, it was the gold standard.
00:44:10.040
And then they want to get rid of the electoral college.
00:44:12.540
About 1992, when he got 43 percent of the vote.
00:44:20.900
I think that's because Ross Pro was talking about the gold standard.
00:44:27.100
You know, we may find ourselves we better not laugh about it.
00:44:29.960
We may find ourselves in another type Ross Pro type situation come 2028.
00:44:34.520
If Elon Musk's keep Musk keeps up his childish behavior.
00:44:40.680
But it's to me, it's just it's such a crazy industry.
00:44:47.920
He is used to coming in, doing what's right and not and pushing an agenda and getting things done.
00:44:57.900
And so for him to look and see all the great work he did and to see all the dirty, nasty compromises it took to get the big, beautiful bill passed.
00:45:07.920
That has got to be frustrating for a business guy, because we know it was frustrating for Trump when he got there.
00:45:13.520
It is an adjustment for business people to understand that the best does not survive in politics.
00:45:21.880
You've got to get by with something that is less than what you want.
00:45:27.380
I agree with you 100 percent that that's probably a big part of why he's upset.
00:45:31.480
I think probably the electric vehicle subsidy is probably another reason why he's so upset.
00:45:41.340
But there also is a way and there's some decorum about going about how you air out your frustration.
00:45:46.360
It's not going to Twitter and saying Donald Trump is on the Epstein list or, you know, whatever the other things he had said was.
00:45:55.140
And Donald Trump, Robert, is not a man who's completely set one way or another.
00:46:01.420
Like people get this interpretation about him, that it's his way or the highway.
00:46:06.980
If you come to him with some sort of rationale, some sort of plan, he's not going to tell you to get lost.
00:46:16.180
No, I think that is one of the strengths of the leader is he doesn't just say, here's what I want to do.
00:46:24.240
You make an argument is want to listen, hear an argument and change his mind and look at the facts.
00:46:33.100
And you see so many of these people who can't hear information to make decisions.
00:46:43.260
I've watched Donald Trump and Lindsey Graham have fights and come back together and have fights come back together.
00:46:48.380
And I said then that they kind of fight like brothers.
00:46:52.100
Sometimes it's a little nastier than it needs to be.
00:46:56.600
And I think in the end, you'll probably see the same thing with Musk.
00:47:03.280
And so when they get mad, they probably get a little madder than they should.
00:47:07.160
But I wouldn't I wouldn't write down that those guys aren't going to be tight again one day.
00:47:18.260
But no, you know, I can't tell you how many times I've been around Donald Trump, Robert, where I'd say it's actually the majority.
00:47:24.940
The times I've been around with him privately in a room with Lou, with other people.
00:47:28.880
I've heard other people around him speak more than he's speak.
00:47:31.980
I think privately with Donald Trump, I've maybe heard him speak less than 100 words.
00:47:40.240
He doesn't pretend like he knows everything, you know, because truly none of us really do know everything.
00:47:48.000
And I Lou Dobbs used to remind me of that all the time.
00:47:50.720
He used to tell me, you know, the worst thing about being a 30 year old who knows everything and thinks they're a finished product.
00:47:56.780
And I'd go back at him and I'd say, you know what the worst thing is, Lou, is a 78 year old man who thinks he's a finished product and would get, you know, get to laughing about it.
00:48:06.160
So hopefully, you know, things start to shape up here.
00:48:09.340
Donald Trump and Elon must take the summer apart.
00:48:15.340
And come September, things start to come back together as we look towards winning the midterms.
00:48:21.960
And you always get the last word, you know, your sense looking forward for the country, for this organization, for the midterms.
00:48:31.320
I think, you know, the midterms to me, and I've given a few speeches on this already in the last few months, the midterms are going to be decided by the economy.
00:48:41.340
When the impact of this bill comes and the impact of whatever the finished product is on the tariffs, the economy of the fall of 2026 is going to be demonstrative of everything that is happening now.
00:48:59.940
And if that continues to be a growing economy and employment tends to be up and prices, gas prices, everything tends to be down, then I think that the Republicans have an excellent shot of expanding their lead in the House and picking up a couple Senate seats.
00:49:16.880
But if the economy does not turn the right way, I think it's not going to look so good.
00:49:26.420
I don't think there's many scenarios where the Republicans lose the Senate, but there are very there are a lot of scenarios where the Republicans lose the House.
00:49:34.860
But, you know, it's always tough when Trump is not on the ballot.
00:49:43.000
But at the same time, we saw him on the ballot and those four Senate races and they didn't win.
00:49:55.180
And I really hope that we're going to see a better effort out of the people who have taken up the Senate Leadership Fund and focus on winning the right races and spend the money properly.
00:50:05.700
And I think there's a good chance that it could be a great year.
00:50:09.460
But it really does depend on the economy and the fallout from everything that's happening now.
00:50:15.260
And the key is what we are going to have is Trump's vision of tax cuts and of tariffs.
00:50:24.880
And so if Trump's vision is economically successful, then I think he'll be a very successful midterm president.
00:50:32.440
So to your point, Robert, to anyone who's listening, who's on the fence, who's maybe mad at Donald Trump for the big, beautiful bill or mad at Donald Trump for not cutting enough or mad at Donald Trump for the Epstein files and say you're done with the Republican Party because tensions are high right now.
00:50:49.200
Think about AOC or Jasmine Crockett heading up a committee and how dangerous and scary that'll be.
00:50:56.220
Just think about it for a second when you guys go to vote.
00:50:59.260
I know it's a little ways away, but just think about that thought.
00:51:01.840
But Robert Cahaley, a great American Trafalgar group, we appreciate you taking the time to join us today.
00:51:08.260
And we wish you the best of luck with the National Association of Independent Pollsters.
00:51:15.640
Thanks, everybody, for being with us today here on The Great America Show.
00:51:18.040
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00:51:29.900
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