The Great America Show - Criminal Investigation FINALLY OPENED into Major Deep State Operators!

00:00:00.000 Hey, President Trump, James Comey and John Brennan, now under criminal investigation

00:00:07.680 related to the Trump-Russia probe. Do you want to see these two guys behind bars?

00:00:13.980 Well, I know nothing about it other than what I read today, but I will tell you, I think

00:00:19.340 they're very dishonest people. I think they're crooked as hell. And maybe they have to pay 0.99

00:00:26.820 a price for that. I believe they are truly bad people and dishonest people. So whatever 0.99

00:00:33.580 happens, happens.

00:00:35.220 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show. You heard that right. The hunters

00:00:40.480 are now being hunted. That's right. James Comey, John Brennan, Clapper, and all their boys and

00:00:47.120 girls thought they were going to undermine democracy in this country for 10 years, the last 10 years. 1.00

00:00:52.420 The games are over. The FBI now launching a formal investigation into Comey and Brennan.

00:00:59.080 I assume Clapper will be next. And the mainstream media is in full on meltdown mode. Take a listen.

00:01:05.600 We predicted you and I and others that we were going to get to this moment.

00:01:08.860 And the question is, what do we do? And the question of what we do is multifaceted. The

00:01:13.180 first question is, what do we do? Do we retreat and and hide in the corner? So I'm on TV today,

00:01:18.440 not hiding in the corner. I'm not retreating. I'm saying I'm going to stand up and fight.

00:01:21.500 And Donald Trump won't intimidate me by by going back to this 2016 stuff. And that's one thing.

00:01:26.600 But the other thing we've talked about is what do large institutions do? You know,

00:01:30.540 what do civil society groups do? What does the media do? And I am imploring like honestly,

00:01:35.100 I'm just imploring the media. Do not report this as a legitimate investigation. Do not report this

00:01:41.300 as they're opening a investigation into John Brennan. We will see where it goes. Report this as the

00:01:46.780 misuse, the abuse, the authoritarian takeover of the Department of Justice. That should be the

00:01:53.440 headline. That line should be in a misuse and abuse of the power of the executive branch. Donald Trump

00:01:59.280 has asked his Department of Justice to to open a bogus investigation into John Brennan.

00:02:04.880 A misuse and abuse of the Department of Justice. Where is this idiot been for the last 10 years? 1.00

00:02:15.260 If he hasn't been around for the last 10 years, how about the last year and a half? 1.00

00:02:19.020 Donald Trump in and out of courtroom, in and out of fingerprinting and mugshotting.

00:02:23.680 Are you kidding me? House raided? Wife's closet raided? That wasn't a misuse or abuse of a Justice 0.97

00:02:33.160 Department? Really? How about the fake Russia collusion hoax that they've ran with for years,

00:02:41.000 the Marxist Dems? We've got a little montage for you, just in case you forgot about what the

00:02:47.680 Democrats stooges have done to this country for the last 10 years with their Russia collusion 1.00

00:02:53.840 bullshit. Direct evidence of collusion. I don't want to go into specifics, but I will say that 1.00

00:02:59.920 there is evidence that is not circumstantial. There is circumstantial evidence of collusion.

00:03:04.840 There is circumstantial evidence, certainly of collusion or coordination. There's also

00:03:09.920 abundant circumstantial evidence. All you have right now is a circumstantial case.

00:03:13.900 Actually, no, Chuck. I can tell you that the case is more than that. And circumstantial evidence

00:03:19.740 can be very powerful and is hard evidence. We're also looking at persistent allegations

00:03:25.200 that the Russians have been laundering money through the Trump organization. I don't know

00:03:29.420 that that's true. The president once said the Saudis are spending tens of millions of dollars

00:03:33.540 on my Trump towers and buying apartments for me. Why wouldn't I love the Saudis? Why wouldn't 0.98

00:03:39.580 I love them? Okay, so they murder journalists, but please, they buy apartments from me. Members

00:03:45.820 of that same campaign now in office said, hey, Russians don't do anything about this. We'll 0.70

00:03:50.080 take care of you because we were doing this together. Obviously, that could be part of a

00:03:54.020 broad conspiracy. Do you believe the president of the United States is a Russian asset? He is 0.92

00:03:58.700 acting like a person who is compromised. The biggest news from Robert Mueller so far is that

00:04:03.680 there are no new indictments for that underlying any cooperation and conspiracy with the Russians to

00:04:08.220 interfere in our elections. And so what happened on that call? The president communicates to his

00:04:14.620 Ukrainian counterpart that the United States has done a lot for Ukraine. No other country has done

00:04:20.600 as much as we have. But you know what? I don't see much reciprocity here. But there's not much

00:04:26.340 reciprocity here. I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you. What have you done for us?

00:04:32.820 We've done so much for you. But there's not much reciprocity. I have a favor I want to ask you.

00:04:38.260 And I'm going to say this only seven times. So you better listen good. Of course, the favor is

00:04:42.360 to investigate his political rival. That was just Adam Schiff, you know, their biggest pawn,

00:04:48.540 their biggest donkey, their biggest idiot who went out on the main stage wherever he could 1.00

00:04:52.540 catch some airtime. But what about DNI Clapper? James Clapper is not yet under investigation, 1.00

00:04:58.020 but I think we'll probably be soon thereafter back with Anderson Cooper on CNN talking about

00:05:04.400 pretty much staging a coup to overthrow Donald Trump's presidency.

00:05:09.140 And oversaw the launch of the Russia investigation. What do you make of this?

00:05:13.720 Well, actually, I'm very curious. It's presumably I guess I'm one of those under investigation.

00:05:20.920 And you just heard about this.

00:05:22.560 Yes. I just read the clip about 20 minutes ago. I found the timing interesting, given the

00:05:32.800 increasing heat around the impeachment inquiry. And so the timing is interesting. I'll just let go at

00:05:42.300 that. And the other thing I wonder about is whether we're talking about the overall investigation of

00:05:49.240 the Russian reporting on the Russian interference, or are we talking about the counterintelligence

00:05:56.840 investigation that was launched in July by the FBI about potential engagement and collusion,

00:06:04.540 whatever you want to call it, between the Russians and the Trump campaign. So I'm very curious about

00:06:09.620 what is the alleged criminal activity that prompted this?

00:06:13.540 Do you have any idea even what they might think may rise to the level of a criminal offense?

00:06:19.280 No, I don't. That's obviously an item of great interest to me. What is it that any of us did that

00:06:27.380 would rise to the level of a criminal infraction? And I just don't know.

00:06:33.040 He doesn't know.

00:06:35.720 Another man who's lost is the man, the very man who's under investigation himself right now.

00:06:40.140 John Brennan, take a listen to him last night on CNN.

00:06:43.600 If there is an investigation that people will be questioned, I would be questioned about it. But

00:06:47.840 again, I've had no contact from them. But again, I testified in front of many, many congressional

00:06:54.140 committees in the House and the Senate over the years. And I continue to explain exactly what we did

00:06:59.880 during this process, why we tried to make sure we stayed true to our intelligence responsibilities,

00:07:05.340 and that we were not going to do anything at all to try to interfere in that election.

00:07:09.940 And again, it was a it was a challenging time, but also one, I think that the people who actually

00:07:15.360 work this both in terms of trying to collect intelligence prior to the election, and then

00:07:20.120 the ones who put together the intelligence assessment, they really, I think, showed the

00:07:23.700 best of what the intelligence community and what CIA is made of. So again, I am clueless

00:07:29.660 about what it is exactly that they may be investigating me for.

00:07:36.440 Once again, where do these people come from? Where have they been for the last 10 years?

00:07:42.860 These evil, maniacal people, John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, all of them, Susan Rice,

00:07:49.320 they all need to be under investigation. The hunters who once hunted 0.55

00:07:54.040 for things that were not there now need to be hunted. Games are over. Americans are tired of it.

00:08:04.840 We're all tired of it. Donald Trump is tired of it. His family's tired of it. Everyone

00:08:08.400 who's went through their hell and back for their hoax. Bunch of total nonsense. Donald Trump, 0.99

00:08:17.660 he's not worrying about this. He's focused. He's focused on the economy, which, by the way,

00:08:22.860 we've got some new numbers out for you. Not to change the subject, but the America,

00:08:28.400 the America, the United States, has already brought in over $100 billion in tariff revenue this year.

00:08:35.240 They're estimating it'll be over $300 billion for the entire year, and the CBO is estimating over

00:08:41.660 $2.8 trillion over the next 10 years. Take a listen to President Trump in his cabinet meeting just

00:08:51.140 yesterday. Thank you for taking our questions, Mr. President. You talked about the amount of

00:08:54.780 external revenue the country has brought in thanks to your tariffs. Can you talk about how these

00:08:59.520 hundreds of billions of dollars that are getting brought in will help grow the country, and what

00:09:03.680 do you hope to put it towards? Well, bigger than the tariffs actually are the fact that when you

00:09:08.180 charge the tariffs at a certain point, they say, well, we can't pay those tariffs. It doesn't make

00:09:12.920 economic sense. These are wealthy countries, and they or their companies will come into our country

00:09:17.960 and build, and that's what's actually happening. If you had a very low tariff, there'd be no incentive

00:09:22.840 to do that. If you have no tariff, like we used to have, which is so stupid, it's not even believable, 0.99

00:09:28.940 but then obviously they make their product the product in their country. They have the jobs, 0.96

00:09:34.440 they have the income, they have the taxes, they have everything, and they just send it in to us,

00:09:39.360 and it's jobs that we wouldn't get. Now the wheel is turned, and what we're doing is we're, I mean,

00:09:48.460 more important, we're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars, money that we've never seen

00:09:53.240 before, but more important than that, we have a lot of people that would rather not have to pay

00:09:58.520 that, so they're coming in and they're building plants. AI, I mean, we're leading everybody,

00:10:03.620 including China, by a lot with AI. They're building their own plant. You heard me say yesterday,

00:10:08.040 they're building their own electric generating plants to go along with the factories or plants

00:10:13.720 that they're building. If they want to do that, we're getting them fast approvals, very fast

00:10:18.020 turnarounds. They're using mostly natural gas to start off, but they're using coal. They have

00:10:23.160 the right to use coal. They have the right to use nuclear. Nuclear has come a long way in the last

00:10:29.080 five years, so we're getting them very fast approvals. We have factories and plants building at a level

00:10:36.420 that we've never had in this country before. The economy is humming, and it's all thanks to

00:10:42.800 Donald Trump and his very, very smart cabinet of people, one of them being Scott Besson.

00:10:48.900 Go ahead, please. Yes, sir. We will have taken in about $100 billion in tariff income thus far this

00:10:55.780 year, and that's with the major tariffs not having started until the second quarter. So we could

00:11:02.760 expect that that could be well over $300 billion by the end of the year. We don't agree with CBO

00:11:08.420 scoring, but for those who do, the CBO scored tariff income over the next 10 years at $2.8 trillion,

00:11:15.920 which we think is probably low. And, you know, sir, under your leadership, we're witnessing.

00:11:22.500 And they gave us no credit for this last little, the great, big, beautiful bill. I only use the

00:11:29.580 word great. I add that to it because it really is what it is. There's never been anything like it,

00:11:33.820 actually. And I want to thank all the Republicans that voted for it. And I want to, you know,

00:11:40.240 scold the Democrats because they're voting for tax cuts. They're voting for no tax on tips,

00:11:45.920 no tax on social security, no tax on overtime. And, you know, many, many other things far more

00:11:52.960 important than that. Great health care. If that wasn't enough for you and you're not sold yet on

00:11:59.460 the America first Trump agenda, American born workers, it's new reporting out from job numbers,

00:12:05.820 American born workers gained 2 million jobs since January. You don't even want to know how many

00:12:13.800 non-foreign workers lost jobs, half a million foreign born 550,000. So Americans are booming. The

00:12:24.560 economy is booming. And Donald Trump has us well on our way to this golden age. And this is all the

00:12:31.140 while Joe Biden's former doctor, Dr. O'Connor was on Capitol Hill yesterday. And he pled the fifth

00:12:37.700 in a 20 minute interview, 16 times, just under about a fifth of the minute, a minute. What does he have

00:12:47.220 to hide? What is he hiding? We all want to know. We want to know what's going on. James Comer is getting

00:12:55.700 ready. Now the house oversight, chairman Comer, getting ready to take the next steps in what will be a

00:13:00.780 subpoenaing him to get some answers on just what the public should know about what went on during the

00:13:07.300 Biden administration. The public right to know. And we want to know. Folks, our guest today after the

00:13:13.720 other side of this quick break is going to be our good friend of the show, leading pollster in the

00:13:19.300 nation, Robert Trafalgar. I call him Robert Trafalgar. His name is Robert Cahaley of the Trafalgar group.

00:13:25.880 Call him Robert Trafalgar. Robert Cahaley joins us on the other side of this quick break

00:13:29.720 with some very, very big news on what he's working on to keep polling honest in this country

00:13:35.760 and what he's going to do to ensure that happens. Stay with us, folks. We're coming right back on the

00:13:40.760 other side of this quick break. The Great America Show is just getting started.

00:13:50.240 Robert Cahaley, it's a delight to have you back on The Great America Show. Let's start with first

00:13:54.640 everything that's going on in the world right now. It seems each day that goes by the news cycle just

00:14:01.240 gets crazier and crazier and crazier. You had the fallout with Elon Musk. You had the bombings in

00:14:07.000 Iran. You've got the war with Iran. You've got Russia ramping up a war with Ukraine. I mean,

00:14:11.000 you go down the list. And then this week we find out from the Department of Justice that

00:14:14.500 the Epstein case is closed and go on about your days. What's going on in the world in America?

00:14:20.880 Your take on it all, Robert. Well, you know, I think what's really funny is that when you listen

00:14:28.240 to the news now, every single story comes back to Trump. I don't think we're used to having this

00:14:37.140 kind of an information overload. I mean, part of it is just that there's so much built-in media bias

00:14:44.300 against him. And part of it is he's so active as a president. There's so many things going on

00:14:49.780 at one time. I mean, you know, his different departments are always making major changes

00:14:55.860 and making news. And so all this stuff happens at once. And I think that's what is troubling a lot

00:15:04.220 of people about the Epstein stuff, because it seems kind of like the opposite momentum of the way that

00:15:09.960 they're doing everything else. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. So how does he clear

00:15:15.960 this thing up? How does Donald Trump, we see Rasmussen does their daily tracking of polls,

00:15:21.220 who's now in your new organization. We're going to talk about a great polling organization that I

00:15:26.500 think is long overdue in this country that you're now a big part of. We're going to get to that.

00:15:31.180 But Rasmussen does their daily tracking. And Donald Trump back in June, I think, was at a plus

00:15:36.000 eight in approval rating. He's now fallen to a minus two since mid June. What are the voters

00:15:43.120 stuck on? What do you think is the issue that's got them hung up on why his approval rating is

00:15:48.700 taking a little bit of a hit? Well, I think here's the thing. When you look at the, you know,

00:15:54.560 the quote unquote, big, beautiful bill, what that is, is it represents what you have to do

00:16:02.480 when you have a very small, very, very small margin in the House and a small margin in the Senate?

00:16:09.560 You have to pack a lot of things that you don't like into a bill to get it passed. And it will not

00:16:15.560 be popular. I mean, it is a jacked little pill, as Lance Marks would say. But the fact is, it was one

00:16:23.560 that probably needed to be taken. And sometimes you have, you know, Congress has to take a vote on

00:16:28.720 something that's not going to be popular. They know it's not going to be popular, but the parts

00:16:34.760 of it and how it is enacted will be popular. And that's what, you know, it gets overshadowed by all

00:16:43.500 the other things that were in it and all the scare tactics. And so I think right now, a lot of this is

00:16:49.600 residual people who are not happy about something in this massive, omnibus bill, not omnibus, but

00:16:57.160 this massive bill.

00:17:01.440 Yes. So you're thinking that's what the primarily what the blowback is for for his approval rating

00:17:06.840 right now is the big, beautiful bill. Yeah, I think there's a little bit on the on the Epstein

00:17:11.280 stuff, but because people are still just confused, because this has been an administration that

00:17:16.340 wants to open the files and get to the bottom of everything. And this just, again, seems to be

00:17:20.620 very reversed from what they said and everything else. And and that troubles people.

00:17:25.260 But I think that in general, we saw this coming with this thing and it was tough. It was going to

00:17:32.360 be tough no matter how you look at it. You know, when people tell me this and we hear this all the

00:17:39.020 time, you know, I'm just like, hey, if you're Republican and you don't like it, get yourself a

00:17:44.020 300 member House, get yourself a 60 member Senate, and then you can pass a perfect, beautiful bill.

00:17:49.600 Yeah, that's what a lot of people don't realize is that so much. And now it's down to even less

00:17:54.580 because Mark Green, Congresswoman Mark Green left to go do whatever. I swear, I think these people

00:18:00.460 get some sort of tip in their back pocket to just slim this thing down. You remember, I think it was

00:18:05.960 Mike Gallagher who went to go work for what is that AI tech company Palantir to go join their board,

00:18:14.340 left Congress, left them high and dry. It's like the Republicans. I was telling you this before the

00:18:18.980 interview. It's always the Republicans races to lose. They always find a way. The Democrats

00:18:23.320 can do the dumbest things and they do the dumbest things in the world imaginable. But the Republicans 1.00

00:18:28.400 somehow always find a way to top them at stupidity. Well, let me say this in case Palantir is 1.00

00:18:37.240 listening. If you've got seats on the board, I'll quit all this nonsense. Hey, me too.

00:18:41.560 I'm a stockholder in them and I have a lot of confidence in those guys.

00:18:49.940 I think my father, Robert, to hurt your feelings, my father bought it back around $12 and begged me

00:18:54.460 to buy it. I said, ah, I think I weighed it to like 110 bucks. And I got, I got the 60.

00:18:59.780 I'm jealous of you too. But go on. I mean, the Republicans, in my opinion, always find a way

00:19:05.340 to screw something up. Yeah, I think so. And I think that it's, you know, it's tough. I mean,

00:19:13.040 it's tough right now. But I think in the end, part of what this, I mean, you know, if the premise is

00:19:21.120 they find a way to screw this up, what I think I saw the left doing is every time you turn on this

00:19:27.460 bill, they were telling you what's bad about it. Yeah. Where were the commercials telling people

00:19:32.480 who are working hourly jobs and getting tips, telling people who are working overtime jobs,

00:19:38.660 this is going to increase your tax? Where was the benefit to this bill being pushed with the same

00:19:45.340 enthusiasm that, that, that the detrimental things about this bill being pushed? I mean,

00:19:51.000 that's what's, that's what bothers me is like, where was the counter messaging? We saw it when

00:19:56.500 people were interviewed, but the left doesn't wait for just interviews. They put this stuff out.

00:20:01.560 They're sending out texts, they're running TV ads, and the right is just basically circling the

00:20:08.000 wagons and saying, we'll survive. Yep. And the Republicans are the ones who have the money,

00:20:13.680 Robert. Let's go through some numbers here that we just got yesterday out of the Senate leadership.

00:20:19.460 The Senate GOP's super top, super PAC and affiliates have more than doubled their fundraising

00:20:24.220 records for the first half of the year, bringing $85 million, Robert, $85 million. The Senate

00:20:32.460 leadership fund affiliated with one nation have raved over 85 million since the start of the year,

00:20:36.960 far more than the 38 million they raised over the same period in 2023. Together, they have $83

00:20:42.880 million cash on hand. The Senate leadership fund has 29 million alone on hand. That is three times as

00:20:50.000 much as they had in 2023, five times as much as they had in 2021. Where was the messaging in this

00:20:57.300 bill? They could have spent millions of dollars on television or, you know, I'm not even sold on

00:21:04.780 television anymore. I got to be honest with you, Robert, on digital media, on Facebook, on Instagram,

00:21:09.820 on Twitter, on truth, wherever you've got to do it, on podcasts, on the, you know, give us,

00:21:15.460 send us out rundowns on, on, you know, this is what it is, you know, which they did after the fact,

00:21:20.360 but do it before the fact, this is the key points in it. It's a thousand pages. We're not reading the

00:21:25.400 whole thing. They hadn't done any of that. And they, and somehow these people are raising records

00:21:31.140 amount of money. Who the heck knows where it's going. It's probably going to fund someone like

00:21:34.780 Lindsey Graham for Senate in South Carolina. Well, being from South Carolina, I, I, I, I don't,

00:21:41.820 I haven't really seen that kind of activity, but I'll tell you what I did see. Uh, I saw a lot of

00:21:47.640 people being told their money was going to help, uh, win Senate races, uh, like, uh, the, the vice,

00:21:55.680 you know, current vice president Senate race, uh, and, and like the ones in Iowa and Utah and the money

00:22:02.620 found its way, uh, to Lisa Murkowski was in a race with another conservative. Uh, the Senate should have 0.53

00:22:09.220 literally just stayed out of that. Imagine if you don't have to make the special deals with

00:22:13.000 Lisa Murkowski because you got Chabaka in that Senate seat. So, I mean, the problem is sometimes

00:22:18.220 those funds go, go to the favorites are played and they don't get what they need, uh, to do.

00:22:26.240 I mean, the biggest debacle was Larry Hogan. We pulled that thing three times. We know that was

00:22:31.480 not real. And the amount of money poured into that hole was ridiculous. 0.97

00:22:35.240 Who's giving them this money, Robert? I wouldn't, if I had a trillion dollars in the bank, I wouldn't

00:22:41.160 give these guys one red cent. Who is giving them money knowing you're, I forgot about that one. Larry

00:22:46.700 Hogan, Lisa Murkowski. I think they'd maybe dump some money into Susan Collins's race, uh, up, up in 1.00

00:22:52.100 Maine. I mean, who, who gives these people the money and who makes the decision on where to spend it?

00:22:58.740 Well, the people who run it, make the decision where to spend it. Uh, but who gives the money

00:23:03.680 is a bunch of well-meaning donors who don't know what you just said. That's who gives the money.

00:23:11.120 Donors are not told that are not always being treated honest. Now I know there's some new

00:23:16.860 leadership over the Senate leadership fund. So, you know, it's, it might be, but the fact is we don't

00:23:24.280 know, uh, we haven't seen him go through a, an expenditure cycle yet. So I think we'll know

00:23:30.180 more about that in the future. I'm always optimistic that it'll be better, but you know,

00:23:35.400 the past wasn't so good.

00:23:36.780 No, you're right. We hadn't seen them go through a cycle yet, but what we did see was

00:23:41.040 Mike Johnson and John Thune. Mike Johnson was a little bit better than John Thune, but John Thune

00:23:46.540 was kind of silent on this big, beautiful bill. Very lackadaisy, just hanging around. You had guys like

00:23:53.060 Ted Cruz are out there championing it harder than your leader. Whereas you've got Chuck Schumer

00:23:57.580 out on television every night doing whatever he's got to do, spewing whatever nonsense he's 0.65

00:24:02.060 got to spew. Hakeem Jeffries. I mean, these people were extremely hyperbolic, the entire

00:24:06.460 democratic party, whereas you just had a few Republicans and whatever. And then you've got

00:24:11.600 the Republicans who you couldn't get on board, whatever. I understand that Rand Paul had his

00:24:15.600 issues or, uh, you know, so on and so forth with the few that voted against it. But these people

00:24:21.240 are not unified in my opinion. And it seems to me right now, it's that, uh, John Thune, I don't,

00:24:28.080 I don't know if he has a grasp of leadership. Do you think? Well, I can tell you what, what bothers

00:24:33.560 me going, going back to the way that, uh, the Senate has been elected. When I see four states

00:24:40.760 that Trump won and the Senate races were lost by just a few points. Yeah. That tells me there's a

00:24:47.740 problem. That the money was not spent the way it should have been. There was money that was not

00:24:54.440 spent in Wisconsin. I mean, you look at how much money got poured into Montana. See, we weren't

00:24:59.120 going to lose that. That guy barely survived in 2018, which was a good year for the Democrats.

00:25:05.740 Now he barely survived in 2018. He's going down. That's what's going down. There was no question

00:25:11.080 about it. Tons of money poured into that one as well. And yet these four races that really

00:25:16.660 needed it, that really needed a boost. You just didn't see it. So when it's all said and done,

00:25:22.980 you know, besides the ones that were cakewalks, one Senate race, Pennsylvania, one out of five

00:25:30.920 that were on the bubble. That's not good enough. Yep. I mean, you could thank Mitch McConnell for

00:25:37.780 that at the time. So we, like you said, um, John Thune hasn't went through a cycle yet. We'll see how he

00:25:42.640 does. Let's, let's talk a little bit about the house side. Do you think, so it's taking Mike

00:25:46.960 Johnson now, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, seven months to finally get his feet a

00:25:54.800 little bit wet to, you know, get ahold of things. It's like Trump had to kick him in his rear end to 0.99

00:26:00.860 get the big, beautiful bill passed. Um, they're finally now starting to codify some of president 0.97

00:26:05.720 Trump's executive orders, uh, so that the next time we have a Marxist Democrat president, they 0.88

00:26:11.400 can't come in and overturn everything he's done. Are you confident in, in Mike Johnson's leadership

00:26:16.480 over on the house side? I'll tell you this. Uh, I probably take a different approach on Mike

00:26:22.500 Johnson. Uh, I think his personality and the fact that people and the, and his intellect and the fact

00:26:30.260 that he's not one who gets rattled too easy, it is very hard job to herd those cats with that slim

00:26:37.860 a majority. And so I look at him and I'm thinking, I mean, in general, I can't, I am in shock that when

00:26:47.300 that bill came back from the Senate, they managed to pass it through the house. I would say, take your

00:26:52.160 hat off. That's amazing. Cause I didn't think they, I was like, Oh God, there's no way they're going to

00:26:57.560 pass it with the way the Senate changed it. And so I feel like he has a grasp over this membership

00:27:02.460 where, you know, where maybe he's gotten the side and said, listen, guys, you know, the old,

00:27:07.800 the old saying we've got to hang together. We're going separately. I mean, I think he has conveyed

00:27:12.700 that message. It is hard to judge any speaker with a majority that small, but what I will tell you

00:27:19.800 about him is he doesn't seem to be hated by any faction. And that's different. This is a guy who would

00:27:26.140 have never won a speaker's race in the normal course of business. It had to be this unique set

00:27:32.160 of circumstances that put him there. And so I'm still feeling that he's hurting these cats very

00:27:38.940 well. You know, the problem that, that I see Robert, when we were kids and we did something

00:27:45.800 wrong, our parents didn't buy us a toy to tell us that we shouldn't do it again. Right. They

00:27:49.920 smacked the piss out of us. We maybe caught a belt. We maybe caught a shoe. We caught some sort of 0.91

00:27:55.000 wooden spoon, whatever it was. And that was our wake up call to that. We shouldn't do it again.

00:28:00.660 But with these Republicans, they get a gift. Lisa Murkowski was holding up the bill. She got a

00:28:07.100 gift. So-and-so held up the bill. They got a gift. They got a promise. They got something. They got a

00:28:12.380 leadership role. Doesn't that bring a big problem, Robert, that we're rewarding these people who are

00:28:19.680 going against the party with gifts, with things, with reassurances? Isn't that like the exact opposite

00:28:25.720 of what we're taught as children even? But remember, where's the punishment? Where's the

00:28:32.180 place you really make a senator feel punishment? Is when they're in a hot race and you ignore them.

00:28:38.780 Right. When she was in a hot race, did she get ignored? No. They put her back in there. This lady 1.00

00:28:44.620 should have lost in 2022. And the fact they pour that money into her has emboldened her to be a 0.85

00:28:52.680 little brat who gets what she wants. I mean, in many ways, we have created a, you know, a group of

00:29:01.120 senators who think that acting out is the way to get more attention and get what you want. But if you

00:29:06.900 want a time to punish is when they're in a heated race. And if they do things that are bad, there ought to be

00:29:13.320 an opponent to create that heated race. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I get a little blowback

00:29:19.760 for saying this, but I don't care because I believe it to be true. What difference is it to

00:29:24.800 have a rhino and a Democrat as senator? If you have a Democrat, at least you know the way they're going 0.98

00:29:29.200 to vote on strong Republican bills, Robert, you get a vote like ninety nine to one, not obviously

00:29:35.160 number ninety nine to one. But metaphorically speaking, in the in the conference, you get a vote

00:29:39.800 ninety nine to one on a strong Republican bill on a bill that's down the middle, like

00:29:44.120 the big, beautiful bill that's controversial inside the party. The rhinos usually go the 0.94

00:29:49.100 opposite way. So what difference does it make if when you need this person, they're a Democrat

00:29:54.180 anyway? The I mean, you know, to brass tacks, the only real reason you would want a rhino

00:30:01.200 over over a Democrat is because there will be a vote at the beginning to decide who's majority

00:30:08.480 leader. And if you have the most party members, you get to be in the majority. And so that's

00:30:15.820 the only reason you need it. You need them that first day. And while we're talking about that,

00:30:21.660 let me tell you something else that's very frustrating that we will see a major change

00:30:25.580 in the Senate if this was made. You know, we got to watch the House go to 15 votes in

00:30:31.020 public to pick a speaker. So we all knew where every every member stood and we can hold them

00:30:36.200 accountable. When the Senate picks the leadership, it's a secret ballot vote. And that I can promise

00:30:42.640 you, you want to see things change? You make that not a secret ballot vote. You use the most

00:30:48.800 important vote. Any senator makes is profit. That is insane. So how do what's the process

00:30:58.740 on changing that? And how do we? Well, the process is we make every kind of percentage

00:31:03.080 in their race pledge that they will push that they will make it an open vote.

00:31:09.660 I got one better for you. Why don't we go look at the biggest donors to the Senate leadership

00:31:13.580 fund and demand that before the Senate gets another dollar, they do full transparency so we

00:31:20.220 see where the American people are at. And we don't have to, like you said, wonder who voted for Rick

00:31:25.640 Scott and who voted for John Thune or who voted for so-and-so. And who voted for someone who might

00:31:30.620 have run if it was an open vote. But the fact is, getting in front of those donors and telling them

00:31:37.500 that is very difficult. It sounds easy, but it's not. Every one of those guys has got somebody who's

00:31:45.200 in charge of who doing them and telling them exactly that everything is great. I mean, what is being

00:31:52.000 done and the wool that is being pulled over the eyes of so many Republican donors is disgusting.

00:31:59.460 But yet somehow, Robert, they manage and manage to pull in record amounts of money because they're

00:32:05.280 pulling the wool over their eyes. They're not telling the truth. These are everybody who writes

00:32:09.840 these big checks, who puts their fortune on the line is a patriot. And everybody who misuses them

00:32:17.340 and abuses that money is a scoundrel. 0.53

00:32:21.420 You know, I did a back, I guess it's probably about two months ago. I'm familiar with Ed Martin,

00:32:27.500 who was the former acting DC US attorney, big J6 advocate, and Tom Tillis, Senator Tom Tillis,

00:32:34.280 Rhino Tom Tillis came out and said he wouldn't support him because of his role in January 6.

00:32:40.360 He had no role in January 6. He just said agreed with that. These people should have been pardoned,

00:32:44.460 as did the majority of Republicans. So Tom Tillis comes out. So I try to figure out what's going on

00:32:51.600 and string it together. I find out that Ed Martin is going big and going to look big into healthcare and

00:32:57.320 big pharma and vaccines. So I go look at Tom Tillis and see where Tom Tillis is getting his money from.

00:33:03.280 It turns out Tom Tillis is getting the majority of his money from healthcare industries,

00:33:08.280 healthcare professionals, and big pharma. A little bit of a disconnect there.

00:33:13.180 And now, lo and behold, we find out Tom Tillis is not going to run for re-election.

00:33:17.260 We need to, I think, in my opinion, Robert, start holding these people's feet to the fire

00:33:21.500 to make change because otherwise you're not going to get any change and it's just going to be business

00:33:26.140 as usual.

00:33:27.720 Well, but think about this. In Tom Tillis' example, he bucked and he knew he couldn't get re-elected.

00:33:35.140 Yeah.

00:33:35.880 I mean, it's that simple. I mean, think about that. That was the guy who was headed for a re-election

00:33:40.160 and, you know, got derailed. So maybe you need a little more of what happened to Tom Tillis.

00:33:45.860 Yeah.

00:33:52.860 Speaking of change, you've got a new organization out that you launched with a bunch of honest pollsters,

00:33:59.320 I guess we can say. It's called the National Association of Independent Pollsters.

00:34:05.480 Tell us a little bit about it and what brought you to this point, this inception point, I guess you can say.

00:34:11.640 Well, I think what this group represents is the fact that a lot of us that are consistently being honest

00:34:21.080 and also being accurate, we're frustrated with the fact that the mainstream media continues

00:34:30.580 to reward these pollsters who get it wrong. I mean, if you look at the presidential approval ratings,

00:34:38.420 even when they're down for Trump, the pollsters who have him the worst are all groups that have failed

00:34:47.660 to get the elections right year in and year out. I mean, the way you measure how you are as a pollster

00:34:53.900 is your cumulative error rate. I mean, how far are you from right cycle after cycle?

00:35:03.560 And we've had a solid 10 years we can look at now. And the fact is, there's so many of these that are just not right.

00:35:12.380 And they have a bad system. And what the frustrating thing for us is, again, there's no punishment.

00:35:20.820 I mean, nobody says that worst five results year in and year out, you know, average, they're still there.

00:35:28.380 They still survive. And there are so many other organizations promoting the bad ones.

00:35:34.160 And so, you know, we got together with Big Data, with Rich Ferris and Rasmussen, with Ted and Mitch and Mark and Mark Mitchell

00:35:47.280 and Insider Advantage with Matt Towery, my dear friend, and a Trafalgar group.

00:35:56.200 We all, I mean, we kind of came together one at a time and turned into a conference call.

00:36:01.580 And leading into this last fourth weekend, we said, hey, we've got to do something different.

00:36:06.780 And it's very frustrating. You know, I look at the polling industry.

00:36:10.280 I know this is going to sound strange, kind of like I look at the Cold War.

00:36:15.700 The Soviets had a flawed system and flawed technology.

00:36:19.840 And it was apparent after the space race.

00:36:24.440 But it still took 20 years for them to crumble.

00:36:27.840 And so we've already proven the other side has a flawed system and flawed technology.

00:36:32.940 And we're just trying to hasten their crumbling and the ones that get it right being rewarded.

00:36:40.280 We're going to invite other polling firms and pollsters that are truly independent and have a record of getting it right.

00:36:48.300 And this is going to be an organization people look to to trust.

00:36:52.320 We're not going to tell them how to poll because we recognize they do it right already.

00:36:56.420 But we are going to share ideas and understanding and do like any organization should.

00:37:05.320 I mean, there has to be a counter narrative and an organization for pollsters where we can come together and celebrate the fact that we're honest.

00:37:13.280 And we're trying to reflect the electorate, unlike so many of the pollsters that are trying to affect the electorate.

00:37:20.800 You know, it's an absolutely brilliant.

00:37:23.120 The other thing, I don't know if you said it, but I'm going to reiterate it.

00:37:26.780 It's American-made pollsters, pollsters that are here in America, not in other countries like Brazil.

00:37:33.800 Not saying Atlas Intel is based in Brazil, but they're based in Brazil and their founders got me blocked on Twitter right now.

00:37:42.260 I don't know what I said to them, but I think I upset him something.

00:37:45.240 I think I hit a sore spot.

00:37:46.980 But that aside, I look at the pollster industry, Robert.

00:37:50.660 You ever hear the, I guess, saying or a phrase that the art industry is one of the largest money laundering operations in America because it's untraceable?

00:38:01.560 I think the polling industry is now at the top of one of the largest money laundering operations in the world.

00:38:10.320 You look at, Robert, you mentioned about getting it right.

00:38:13.100 New York Times and Siena, who is constantly at the top on the 538 list or whatever list you look at, got some races wrong in 2020 by 10 points, 9 to 10 points.

00:38:29.020 And somehow these people are regarded as the gold standard, according to Nate Silver or some of these other pollster organizations.

00:38:35.800 But that's because their ratings do not depend on error rate alone.

00:38:40.740 They start doing all, they use all kind of other nebulous things to add points and then subtract points.

00:38:47.380 You know, and what they consider transparency, what they consider methodology.

00:38:53.580 I mean, there are pollsters out there who are using online panels and not even voters to do their polling.

00:39:00.780 Now, what do we know about online panels?

00:39:02.260 You've got to be weird enough to care about politics enough to constantly get polls.

00:39:07.400 What do we know about average people?

00:39:08.820 They don't like getting polls and they sure aren't going to talk for 20 or 30 or 30 minutes.

00:39:14.120 So, you know, there's so much of these guys, what these guys do is flawed.

00:39:18.680 What they do is just completely flawed.

00:39:20.820 And so we need an organization that is going to recognize the ones who do it right.

00:39:26.400 And there's, you know, there's no other way to measure than cumulative error rate.

00:39:32.260 And when you look at them, you can throw out the bad ones as easy as file.

00:39:36.420 When you take a Scantron test, Mark, I called you Mark, Robert.

00:39:40.900 When you take a Scantron test, when you take the SATs, it's either right or it's wrong.

00:39:45.200 And your grade is dependent upon that.

00:39:47.160 Not if you thought it was maybe B, but you chose C.

00:39:51.540 We'll take the error and you get half credit.

00:39:53.820 It doesn't work like that.

00:39:55.120 You're either right or you're wrong.

00:39:56.320 And it's a matter of how wrong you are.

00:39:59.000 And I think there's a very big line between being wrong and being evil.

00:40:06.020 And you give me your sense on this.

00:40:08.780 I don't think these people are wrong on accident, Robert.

00:40:12.340 Well, let me put it to you this way.

00:40:14.200 It is frustrating for those of us who are polling and who are obviously, you know, a Republican.

00:40:20.320 They say, well, you're a Republican, so your polls must be skewed to the right.

00:40:24.480 But at the same time, OK, well, you're from a news organization that skews left.

00:40:29.340 You're from a university that skews left.

00:40:31.900 But we have to accept that your polls are right down the middle.

00:40:36.820 Why don't we judge us not based on that, but based on the error rate?

00:40:41.200 And then look, when your error rate is constantly off and way off and, you know, it seems in so many races like they're trying to create a narrative. 0.79

00:40:56.760 Yeah, I think sometimes there's some fingers on the scale.

00:41:00.040 There's no question that you see a little bit of this.

00:41:05.000 And I think it gets worse the more they get away with it.

00:41:08.780 There is no punishment.

00:41:11.860 I mean, all these news outlets continue to run that.

00:41:15.600 I mean, I say all the time, if the group that put out the presidential approval has failed in elections, you can ignore it.

00:41:26.160 Just look at the rate from the people who get it right.

00:41:29.940 Yep.

00:41:30.220 And there's so much money in this business.

00:41:32.480 I don't mean to out you, Robert, that you're rich, but polling is not.

00:41:36.620 I'm just being facetious.

00:41:38.020 But the guys at Atlas Intel are not exactly living in a dungeon somewhere.

00:41:43.680 Polling is not cheap.

00:41:44.940 I mean, it could run people a lot of money and there's people who run polls a lot. 0.97

00:41:49.000 So what is the point of paying a pollster, Robert, in a race if I'm running for Congress to give me fake results where at the end of the day, the people know it's bullshit?

00:42:01.100 Well, first of all, the internal polls are usually a lot more accurate than than the ones that are public, because, again, sometimes the public polls are meant to affect the electorate, not reflect the electorate.

00:42:13.760 But and so getting good data is very, very important.

00:42:18.720 And it is valuable and it is, you know, it is worth it because, you know, I think one of the things we have on one of our little tokens we give out as a poker chip is that there's nothing more there's nothing more expensive than bad information.

00:42:38.620 Yeah. And so it's like you should spend a poll for good information.

00:42:44.720 But the fact is, yeah, I think there are people who are funding things that are designed to skew what is really going on.

00:42:52.080 And I think there's no greater example of that than what happened in Iowa.

00:42:57.840 I mean, we saw that.

00:43:00.860 But look at that.

00:43:01.860 And, you know, and I always heard, oh, it's such an immaculate record.

00:43:05.580 And I'm like, well, last time I checked, she got the Iowa caucuses wrong with with Trump.

00:43:11.840 And she and last and she got it wrong in 2012.

00:43:15.760 And even and even this time she had Nikki Haley in the second when Nikki Haley finished third. 1.00

00:43:23.320 We were the only ones who saw that coming.

00:43:25.040 But the fact is, so she wasn't that so accurate to begin with.

00:43:28.440 But we saw what happened.

00:43:31.020 And it's like it was like almost like, you know, she's going out.

00:43:34.980 And, you know, for her sake, I hope she got a big payday. 0.54

00:43:38.380 But the fact is so many.

00:43:40.640 I mean, you look at the top quote unquote polling averages, but skewed even more toward Kamala Harris at that moment.

00:43:49.140 Now, they'll lie about it now, but they were all saying Kamala Harris is going to more likely to win than lose. 0.70

00:43:54.460 And it really wasn't that close.

00:43:57.920 No, she got absolutely annihilated.

00:43:59.980 She lost the popular vote, which the Democrats told us that was a gold standard.

00:44:03.900 Robert, in 2016, when Trump lost the popular vote, it was the gold standard.

00:44:09.100 We're getting rid of.

00:44:10.040 And then they want to get rid of the electoral college.

00:44:12.540 About 1992, when he got 43 percent of the vote.

00:44:17.320 Right.

00:44:17.940 It was the gold standard then.

00:44:19.240 Right.

00:44:19.800 So it's like.

00:44:20.900 I think that's because Ross Pro was talking about the gold standard.

00:44:24.160 Yeah.

00:44:24.460 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:44:27.100 You know, we may find ourselves we better not laugh about it.

00:44:29.960 We may find ourselves in another type Ross Pro type situation come 2028.

00:44:34.520 If Elon Musk's keep Musk keeps up his childish behavior.

00:44:40.680 But it's to me, it's just it's such a crazy industry.

00:44:43.880 I think Musk is frustrated.

00:44:45.620 I mean, here's the thing.

00:44:46.860 He is in business.

00:44:47.920 He is used to coming in, doing what's right and not and pushing an agenda and getting things done.

00:44:54.660 Look what he did at Twitter.

00:44:55.680 He came there, took over and he changed it.

00:44:57.900 And so for him to look and see all the great work he did and to see all the dirty, nasty compromises it took to get the big, beautiful bill passed.

00:45:07.920 That has got to be frustrating for a business guy, because we know it was frustrating for Trump when he got there.

00:45:13.520 It is an adjustment for business people to understand that the best does not survive in politics.

00:45:21.880 You've got to get by with something that is less than what you want.

00:45:26.020 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:45:27.380 I agree with you 100 percent that that's probably a big part of why he's upset.

00:45:31.480 I think probably the electric vehicle subsidy is probably another reason why he's so upset.

00:45:35.380 But he knew what it was when he came in there.

00:45:39.020 But, yeah, I mean, I completely agree.

00:45:41.340 But there also is a way and there's some decorum about going about how you air out your frustration.

00:45:46.360 It's not going to Twitter and saying Donald Trump is on the Epstein list or, you know, whatever the other things he had said was.

00:45:53.120 There's a way about going about doing it.

00:45:55.140 And Donald Trump, Robert, is not a man who's completely set one way or another.

00:46:01.420 Like people get this interpretation about him, that it's his way or the highway.

00:46:05.300 He's a very malleable person.

00:46:06.980 If you come to him with some sort of rationale, some sort of plan, he's not going to tell you to get lost.

00:46:13.980 He'll listen to what it is.

00:46:15.020 So that's the.

00:46:16.180 No, I think that is one of the strengths of the leader is he doesn't just say, here's what I want to do.

00:46:21.720 And this is he he is open.

00:46:24.240 You make an argument is want to listen, hear an argument and change his mind and look at the facts.

00:46:33.100 And you see so many of these people who can't hear information to make decisions.

00:46:38.480 And, you know, I look at the thing with him.

00:46:40.980 I mean, this is after South Carolina.

00:46:43.260 I've watched Donald Trump and Lindsey Graham have fights and come back together and have fights come back together.

00:46:48.380 And I said then that they kind of fight like brothers.

00:46:52.100 Sometimes it's a little nastier than it needs to be.

00:46:54.400 But don't try to come between them.

00:46:56.600 And I think in the end, you'll probably see the same thing with Musk.

00:47:00.460 These guys have a relationship.

00:47:02.260 They're very close.

00:47:03.280 And so when they get mad, they probably get a little madder than they should.

00:47:07.160 But I wouldn't I wouldn't write down that those guys aren't going to be tight again one day.

00:47:12.620 Yeah.

00:47:13.040 As long as Donald Trump accepts his apology.

00:47:15.240 We'll see.

00:47:16.120 We'll see if he decides to.

00:47:18.260 But no, you know, I can't tell you how many times I've been around Donald Trump, Robert, where I'd say it's actually the majority.

00:47:24.940 The times I've been around with him privately in a room with Lou, with other people.

00:47:28.880 I've heard other people around him speak more than he's speak.

00:47:31.980 I think privately with Donald Trump, I've maybe heard him speak less than 100 words.

00:47:35.960 I'm sure you've had the same experience.

00:47:37.740 He sits, he listens and comes to a conclusion.

00:47:40.240 He doesn't pretend like he knows everything, you know, because truly none of us really do know everything.

00:47:48.000 And I Lou Dobbs used to remind me of that all the time.

00:47:50.720 He used to tell me, you know, the worst thing about being a 30 year old who knows everything and thinks they're a finished product.

00:47:56.780 And I'd go back at him and I'd say, you know what the worst thing is, Lou, is a 78 year old man who thinks he's a finished product and would get, you know, get to laughing about it.

00:48:05.260 But it's true.

00:48:06.160 So hopefully, you know, things start to shape up here.

00:48:09.340 Donald Trump and Elon must take the summer apart.

00:48:11.860 They go their merry ways.

00:48:13.720 They enjoy vacations out of each other.

00:48:15.340 And come September, things start to come back together as we look towards winning the midterms.

00:48:20.620 Before we wrap up, I want to get your sense.

00:48:21.960 And you always get the last word, you know, your sense looking forward for the country, for this organization, for the midterms.

00:48:29.080 The floor is yours.

00:48:31.320 I think, you know, the midterms to me, and I've given a few speeches on this already in the last few months, the midterms are going to be decided by the economy.

00:48:41.340 When the impact of this bill comes and the impact of whatever the finished product is on the tariffs, the economy of the fall of 2026 is going to be demonstrative of everything that is happening now.

00:48:59.940 And if that continues to be a growing economy and employment tends to be up and prices, gas prices, everything tends to be down, then I think that the Republicans have an excellent shot of expanding their lead in the House and picking up a couple Senate seats.

00:49:16.880 But if the economy does not turn the right way, I think it's not going to look so good.

00:49:23.800 And so it's going to be very problematic.

00:49:26.420 I don't think there's many scenarios where the Republicans lose the Senate, but there are very there are a lot of scenarios where the Republicans lose the House.

00:49:34.860 But, you know, it's always tough when Trump is not on the ballot.

00:49:39.160 It is a different turnout mechanism.

00:49:41.500 There's no question about it.

00:49:43.000 But at the same time, we saw him on the ballot and those four Senate races and they didn't win.

00:49:49.600 So him being on the ballot is not enough.

00:49:52.640 But there's got to be the infrastructure.

00:49:55.180 And I really hope that we're going to see a better effort out of the people who have taken up the Senate Leadership Fund and focus on winning the right races and spend the money properly.

00:50:05.700 And I think there's a good chance that it could be a great year.

00:50:09.460 But it really does depend on the economy and the fallout from everything that's happening now.

00:50:15.260 And the key is what we are going to have is Trump's vision of tax cuts and of tariffs.

00:50:24.880 And so if Trump's vision is economically successful, then I think he'll be a very successful midterm president.

00:50:32.440 So to your point, Robert, to anyone who's listening, who's on the fence, who's maybe mad at Donald Trump for the big, beautiful bill or mad at Donald Trump for not cutting enough or mad at Donald Trump for the Epstein files and say you're done with the Republican Party because tensions are high right now.

00:50:46.000 I just ask you to think about one thing.

00:50:49.200 Think about AOC or Jasmine Crockett heading up a committee and how dangerous and scary that'll be. 0.99

00:50:56.220 Just think about it for a second when you guys go to vote.

00:50:59.260 I know it's a little ways away, but just think about that thought.

00:51:01.840 But Robert Cahaley, a great American Trafalgar group, we appreciate you taking the time to join us today.

00:51:08.260 And we wish you the best of luck with the National Association of Independent Pollsters.

00:51:12.980 Come back soon, my friend.

00:51:14.380 Yes, sir. Thank you.

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The Great America Show - July 10, 2025

Criminal Investigation FINALLY OPENED into Major Deep State Operators!

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