The FBI has maintained throughout that they met with Facebook executives only once about Hunter's laptop from hell. But newly released documents from Chairman Jordan show that in a deposition, FBI agent Elvis Chan, who was the go-between for the FBI with big tech companies, claimed that apart from one instance, he was not aware of any other meetings between the FBI and Facebook.
00:06:32.340So let's start with the president in full, full persecution by the deep state and the Marxist
00:06:41.560Dems. Is there any any horizon that you can see that offers hope that this this travesty can be
00:06:51.360brought to an end? Well, it's really quite extraordinary. In other words, by charging Donald
00:06:56.580Trump with election interference, the politicized and weaponized Justice Department is engaging in
00:07:03.600election interference. Does anyone in their right mind think that if Donald Trump was not leading
00:07:10.800the Republican field by big double digits, was not leading Joe Biden both nationally and in every swing
00:07:19.280state at this point? Or does anybody believe if there weren't more and more shocking revelations of
00:07:25.740corruption, extortion, bribery, money laundering, influence peddling, illegal lobbying, as well as,
00:07:34.860let's just say it, treason, the acceptance of millions of dollars from China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania? If any, if these things were not happen, does anybody believe Donald Trump would be charged with what is largely a fabricated crime?
00:07:49.660I've never seen anything like this. I've I've been in American politics for 45 years. I mean, who arrests and seeks to jail their political opponents? Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, and now, sadly, Joe Biden.
00:08:10.040It is without question, straightforwardly, an assault on his principal political opponent and done with knowledge for thought and intent. There's no doubt of it. And as you say, no decent, reasonable American can doubt what is happening before our very eyes. And yet, and yet, we have the polls reflecting that.
00:08:35.420But we do not have a physical action being taken by the Congress of the United States, by the leadership of the minority in the Senate, by the Republican National Committee to say this outrage must end.
00:08:49.240And and and and and now we don't have the American Bar Association raising even so much as a whisper about these attorneys, Dan Goldman, Adam Schiff, who are whose conduct is abhorrent and repugnant.
00:09:07.240Where are we to find some leadership that would intercede and intervene outside, if I may say, at the Supreme Court?
00:09:16.400Well, obviously, questioning the outcome of an election is an egregious crime for which you should be sent to prison unless you're Kamala Harris or Nancy Pelosi or the late John Lewis or Amy Klobuchar or Stacey Abrams or Chuck Schumer or Terry McAuliffe or the hundred members of Congress who who objected to the certification of the Electoral College when Donald Trump was elected.
00:09:45.400And in 2016, if you're one of them, it's perfectly OK.
00:09:50.360This is really an absurdity. And I think, sadly, the president and his lawyers are about to find out that in the District of Columbia, the Constitution doesn't matter.
00:10:02.880The law doesn't matter. The law doesn't matter. The rules don't matter. The evidence doesn't matter.
00:10:08.720And the facts don't matter. I've been in this particular meat grinder.
00:10:14.260I know exactly what it's like. This motion by the prosecutors for a protective order because, quote, Donald Trump may leak grand jury documents online.
00:10:27.340There's no evidence that he would do that. They're trying to limit his ability to defend himself in the public square.
00:10:35.680They did the exact same thing to me. It is patently unconstitutional.
00:10:40.980Nowhere does it say that if you're charged with a crime, you forfeit your right to free speech.
00:10:47.420The idea that his in my case, they said, oh, well, if you defend yourself publicly, that might taint the jury pool in the District of Columbia.
00:10:57.620Really? Do you think CNN and MSNBC and CBS and ABC and NBC and The New York Times and the dominant Washington Post?
00:11:07.300Do you think that taints the jury pool in D.C. when it comes to Donald Trump, where 93 percent of the local electorate voted for Joe Biden?
00:11:18.440And where I guarantee you his jury will not include a single Republican, not one, not one.
00:11:25.680And we are we're very familiar with this judge, Judge Shutkin, who is best known for being the handing down the most severe sentences to the January 6th political prisoners.
00:11:39.880There is not a single quality about her, not a single characteristic in her professional life that would commend her to a fair trial for President Donald Trump.
00:11:54.180And he would think it would be automatic that she would be removed.
00:11:58.700And he sent to a different venue by his request.
00:12:03.220Well, in fact, this judge and her husband and her mother-in-law are major donors to Barack Obama.
00:12:10.260She received her appointment to the federal bench, as did her husband, by the way, because he's also a federal judge.
00:12:17.240Only after this, these large contributions, she worked in the same law firm prior to going to the bench as Hunter Biden.
00:12:27.060She withheld the Fusion GPS information that would have proved that the Steele dossier was a fraud from Donald Trump previously.
00:12:40.620And I don't know if you saw this, Lou, but it was reported online, and I believe it to be accurate, that Judge Amy Berman Jackson, Judge Bosberg of the chief judge now of that court, and Judge Moss were all present for the arraignment of Donald Trump, all sitting in the back row, essentially licking their chops.
00:13:08.180I'm not a lawyer, but lawyers who I do respect tell me that that's entirely inappropriate.
00:13:15.400In many cases, these judges have already said negative things about Donald Trump on the record, demonstrating their bias against him.
00:13:26.220The chances of Donald Trump getting the judge to recuse herself, because that's who makes the decision, is zero.
00:13:35.020The chance of the judge granting a move of venue to say, even Virginia, never mind West Virginia, I think is sadly also zero.
00:13:45.480Now, Trump's lawyers can appeal that, but I can tell you firsthand, appealing to the D.C. Court of Appeals is essentially a waste of time.
00:13:55.300They will never overrule one of the lower judges, and they will rubber stamp any decision made by the trial court judge.
00:14:03.100That leaves, Lou, as you point out, the only place this could possibly get a fair adjudication is the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:14:11.560But in the case of the election, they essentially declined to hear any of the very real election fraud cases.
00:14:20.140Twenty-one state attorney generals appealed to the Supreme Court to examine election results, and the Supreme Court declined.
00:14:28.960But they did decline, and they declined on the basis of standing or jurisdiction, and in point of fact said that despite their constitutional placement and responsibility and authority,
00:14:44.500that they couldn't intervene between one state suing another state for elections.
00:14:50.960My lord, the impact of fraudulent elections across the country is the business of those states, and it's really, to me, supercilious and specious that the court made such a decision,
00:15:10.420and courts followed all across the land, including all of the battleground states.
00:15:16.320So, here we are in America, 2023, and I want to get your opinion right after we take this quick break about what is going on in this country where it feels like society is having an emotional breakdown of sorts.
00:15:35.100We're going to get Roger Stone's view on that right after these quick words.
00:15:46.320We're back now with Roger Stone, who is an extraordinary, I think, social as well as political thinker.
00:15:54.200I want to get your view on what seems to be a breakdown in institutions, whether it be the corporatist national media,
00:16:02.020whether it be the Marxist Dems indoctrination of public schools and higher education, our colleges and universities,
00:16:09.800whether it be, in point of fact, the Democratic Party, and, without question, they have control of the entire federal government apparatus.
00:16:22.480Well, sadly, though, I have to conclude that we're not suffering as the result of just misguided or incorrect policies.
00:16:31.840I think, very sadly, that our country has been infiltrated at the highest levels by the Communist Chinese.
00:16:39.700They are systematically buying up prime farmland, ranchland, bridges, tunnels, ports, highways, airports.
00:19:34.440And it has been just it hasn't even been three years.
00:19:37.600We're talking about just a little over two and a half years in which we have seen this country turn upside down from the latter days of Donald J.
00:19:48.400Trump as president of the United States.
00:19:50.040And what ensued from that point, the January 6th riots, as the left likes to call them.
00:19:59.040But those demonstrations, a part of those demonstrators were violent and moved through the Capitol.
00:20:08.260And we've watched the Justice Department react as if they were part of a Stalinist police state.
00:20:18.500I don't think anyone can argue reasonably that point because there is rampant surveillance, warrantless wiretaps everywhere.
00:20:28.500There is a there's a pretense on Capitol Hill that there will be a big political battle over 702, the section pertaining to wiretapping of foreign intelligence agents.
00:20:43.120And the United States right now is faced with two parties, one that is absolutely venal and committed to the destruction of Donald Trump and the and this great republic.
00:20:55.080And the other, which seems to be frozen, paralyzed by the prospect of actually taking action in the national interest.
00:21:04.480Your thoughts, I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't agree more.
00:21:07.700Our problem today today is not the crazy Marxist socialist radical Democrats.
00:21:14.820Our problem are the gutless, feckless, weak need, lily livered, white wine, swilling, country club belonging establishment Republicans who don't seem to have any guts or any courage.
00:21:31.720Obviously, obviously, that doesn't I'm not speaking about every Republican, but where is Kevin McCarthy?
00:21:39.720There is more evidence today to to rationalize articles of impeachment against Joe Biden and others than there ever was to to rationalize articles of impeachment against Donald Trump.
00:21:54.160First in the Russian collusion hoax, then in the Ukraine hoax.
00:21:58.060In fact, we now know that the second impeachment of Trump was a cover up because Joe Biden accepted 10 million dollars.
00:22:05.980Joe Biden and his son accepted 10 million dollars in bribes in return for using his power as vice president to threaten to withhold a billion dollars of aid from Ukraine.
00:22:17.120If they didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma Energy and his son and they were both getting paid.
00:22:31.560I thought that that's what the election was about, but evidently not.
00:22:36.400We seem to be with the exception of a handful of patriots in the House who are, I think, pursuing the Biden matter as aggressively as they can.
00:22:45.700But the Democrats jump up and down and talk constantly about the rule of law.
00:22:50.440Where is the rule of law when the FBI director refuses to turn over documents or witnesses that the U.S. Congress is constitutionally entitled to?
00:23:01.640The idea of congressional oversight has become now a shibboleth.
00:23:07.360It is, to whatever degree it was, at least an energetic effort on the part of the Congress to oversee the budgets and the appropriations and the activities of our federal government.
00:23:21.240They don't even pretend to hold to account the FBI, the law enforcement agencies, what were once law enforcement agencies.
00:23:29.680They're filled with outlaws in their leadership, and they mean business when they talk about subverting the United States.
00:23:37.600So we end up with a fifth column in the country, the Marxist Dems, the Democratic Party, which is their exterior shell, as well as all of the activists within education, within our society.
00:23:51.940The fifth column of Marxist Dems in this country has taken control of the country, and no one wants to admit it.
00:25:12.080And he really does see it as a larger fight to save the country.
00:25:17.480Timing here, Lou, is going to be everything.
00:25:19.800Because I do think the polls reflect that even with the lapdog media doing their best to bury the news about the epic corruption of the Bidens, and even with the biased coverage, watching Andrea Mitchell, God, it is time to put her out to pasture.
00:25:49.480I don't see, and I'm not an attorney, so therefore I'm not an expert, but I don't see how it is possible to get this D.C. indictment to trial prior to the election.
00:26:02.020I think the only reason the D.C. indictment was brought was because there is a deep fear within the deep state that Donald Trump might just get a fair trial in Florida on this ridiculous documents case.
00:26:17.720The Presidential Documents Act of 1977 makes it absolutely clear that the president himself can decide what is personal and what should go back to the National Archives.
00:26:30.340And that was upheld by none other than Judge Amy Berman Jackson herself, who was the judge in my case.
00:26:38.260She ruled that Bill Clinton could do anything with his documents that he wanted, including keeping them in his sock drawer at home.
00:26:49.320This will go to trial in Florida by the luck of the wheel before a judge appointed by Donald Trump, which means you actually get a fair trial.
00:26:58.740And they're apoplectic about the fact that Trump may get acquitted.
00:27:04.240That's why we had to bring a separate set of charges in D.C.
00:27:07.720Now, interestingly, the one charge I thought they would bring, a charge of essentially sedition in connection with the events of January 6th, specifically the riot, is implied in the indictment that they brought.
00:27:25.460This is significant because, theoretically, conviction on that charge, a charge of sedition, would make him legally ineligible to be president.
00:27:36.960At least there is a legal argument to that effect.
00:27:41.040Other constitutional scholars say that's not the case, that the qualifications for president are specifically outlined elsewhere in the Constitution.
00:27:51.620Then you would have 50 state legal fights, individual state fights, over whether his name could appear on the ballot.
00:28:00.060I don't see how any of these D.C. matters get to trial before the election, which means, Lou, the American people may be the ultimate jury in all of these cases.
00:28:14.360The American people will have the ability, in essence, to free America.
00:28:19.100It's interesting when there was speculation at the end of Donald Trump's term that he might issue a blanket pardon to himself or members of his family because of concern about, not that they'd done anything wrong, but about future weaponization of the Justice Department.
00:28:39.740And legal scholars and law professors like Lawrence Tribe argued that the president did not necessarily have the legal authority to pardon himself.
00:28:49.940Mark my words, when Joe Biden pardons himself and his son and his brother, which he will, then Professor Tribe will say, oh, no, it's perfectly all right.
00:28:59.720I don't, for a moment, not a word of what you said.
00:29:03.460I think you've got it exactly right, as you always, nearly always do.
00:29:08.380And we're going to take up the president's competition for the nomination in 2024 and how they're doing and how he's doing.
00:29:22.700We're back now talking with Roger Stone, esteemed political strategist, bestselling author and great American.
00:29:35.480I want to turn to the pending indictment, if you will, from Fulton County in Georgia, that district attorney there, much like Alvin Bragg, the attorney general of the state of New York, campaigning on their threats to prosecute Donald Trump.
00:29:56.840Your thoughts about the import and relevance of such an indictment, if it does come?
00:30:03.780This is yet another totally politically motivated indictment that is not based on fact.
00:30:10.740I have listened to the entire recording of the phone call in question.
00:30:54.200So the accusation that Trump told the secretary of state, who was a Republican, but not at all friendly, to go out and find additional votes, that's a bastardization of what he said.
00:31:09.960This particular prosecutor, Fannie Wills, has had ethical problems in the past.
00:31:15.760She evidently was having a sexual affair with a gang member.
00:31:19.020She was supposed to be prosecuting the serious questions about about her integrity.
00:31:25.240But again, this is the process of piling on.
00:31:29.280So when will the Georgia indictment come?
00:31:31.860I can tell you exactly when it will come, Lou.
00:31:34.340It'll come when a new big story breaks about more documentation of the epic corruption of Joe and Hunter Biden.
00:31:45.860Every time a big story, whether it's the Burisma payments or cocaine being found in the White House, within three days, the Secret Service and the FBI tell us they can't possibly figure out where that came from.
00:32:00.420Yet it took John Durham five years to determine that there was no Russian collusion.
00:32:06.080Just coincidentally, that five years is the length of the statute of limitations so that Hillary Clinton and John Podesta and James Comey and John Brennan and Attorney General Loretta Lynch and others could not be prosecuted.
00:32:43.860And here we are two years later, a few years later, trying to figure out where that went.
00:32:50.260And people easily forget that we also still don't have the remaining documents from the JFK assassination.
00:33:01.480They were not released and have no possibility of being released by this president.
00:33:07.840Your thoughts on all this that goes to die in the swamp?
00:33:12.200You know, one thing, Lou, that I really find objectionable, and that is the refusal of the Department of Homeland Security to provide Secret Service protection for Robert F.
00:33:24.480Kennedy Jr. while he runs for president.
00:33:27.500Now, I'm a Trump supporter, just to be very clear.
00:33:31.080I like some of the things Robert Kennedy says.
00:33:35.380He's a very rare Democrat in that sense who wants to seal the southern border.
00:33:39.240He's very skeptical about the war in Ukraine and shipping billions more to that effort.
00:33:45.660He, I think, is reasonably worried about World War III.
00:33:50.820He's worried about the weaponization of our intelligence agencies.
00:33:55.200He's worried about the weaponization of our justice system.
00:33:58.500But his father and his uncle, John F. Kennedy, President John F. Kennedy, murdered while he was president.
00:34:06.920Senator Robert F. Kennedy, former Attorney General of the United States, murdered while he was running for president.
00:34:12.820On the one hand, the media and the Biden opposition research operation foments hatred and animus against him.
00:34:22.180And in the next breath, they deny him Secret Service protection, which under federal law as a qualified candidate for president, he is entitled to apply for.
00:34:33.420After Robert F. Kennedy Sr. was brutally murdered in Los Angeles on the night of his victory in the California Democratic primary in 1968, the Congress passed a law which gave then the Treasury Department, which oversaw the Secret Service, the authority to extend coverage to every candidate.
00:34:55.540And in fact, President Lyndon Johnson ordered Secret Service protection for every candidate running in 1968.
00:35:03.660Robert Kennedy has applied for such protection, and it has been rejected by the Biden administration.
00:35:11.480I think this is this is a callous outrage.
00:35:14.760His father and his father's brother were murdered while serving as president or running for president.
00:35:21.120They foment hatred against him, calling him a conspiracy theorist, which he is not, trying not to, I think, legitimize his candidacy.
00:35:31.660It bothers me that some unhinged individual could be motivated to hurt him or even kill him.
00:35:39.000This is this is completely irresponsible by the Biden administration.
00:35:43.140Robert Kennedy, who I'm not supporting for president, but who I like in terms of a number of the issues that he is raising, deserves Secret Service protection.
00:35:53.700And the idea that this administration is, again, trying to hamstring to diminish an opponent of the president.
00:36:09.380It's all part and parcel of their operandi.
00:36:13.000It's disgusting to see what they are, what they do, what they have, in some degree, to some great degree, made this country at this very moment.
00:36:27.700I mean, we are less than we have ever been as a nation, in my opinion.
00:36:34.640This is they're already rigging the process.
00:36:36.400So they have essentially, effectively canceled the first in the nation Iowa caucuses within the Democratic contest.
00:36:45.500They have done away with the New Hampshire primary, which by law, by state law, must be held ahead of any other state primary, even if that means holding it in 2023, by the way.
00:36:57.500They've stripped those states of their delegates because they're afraid that Robert Kennedy could run a grassroots campaign on the ground in those states.
00:37:05.960It's a peace and freedom campaign, as he puts it, and that Joe Biden is extraordinarily vulnerable.
00:37:12.560So they just cancel those contests in South Carolina, where you have an absolute majority African-American Democratic primary electorate, is the first in the nation primary.
00:37:26.120I think they may have outsmarted themselves.
00:37:28.480I think Robert Kennedy may have greater appeal there than perhaps they think.
00:37:32.080I think that's interesting, and you're probably right.
00:37:36.680It's going to be an interesting test across the board, including in the Republican primaries.
00:37:41.780DeSantis, the oligarchs, the Republican oligarchs, said would be the man to take down Donald Trump in his quest to be the 47th president.
00:37:53.820They couldn't have been much more in error.
00:37:57.340We're looking at a 40-point-plus lead over DeSantis by the president.
00:38:03.800Your thoughts about DeSantis' prospects now?
00:38:43.920He should come back to Florida at 42 years old and do the job he was elected to do.
00:38:50.380I think that the linchpin of his entire political strategy was Trump is going to be indicted, and when that happens, his candidacy will collapse, and I'll be the only guy left standing.
00:39:04.640His political standing has been galvanized and reinforced.
00:39:08.280He is going to go up further in the polls.
00:39:10.880He is going to pull in tens of millions of dollars in small and medium-sized contributions to fuel his campaign.
00:39:19.480So the underlying premise of DeSantis' entire theory of candidacy turns out to be incorrect.
00:39:26.840Now, add to that that in states like Iowa and New Hampshire, where you're not well-known and where people want to see you and want to mix with you, where Trump is a 100% known commodity, Ron DeSantis lacks that likability factor that I think is crucial in American politics.
00:39:47.080He seems to be, at a minimum, an introvert in an extrovert's business.
00:39:53.880He's socially awkward, and he lacks a rationale.
00:39:59.160I think I said it on your show, but I'll say it again.
00:40:01.800If you have a choice of seeing the Beatles or seeing a Beatles tribute band, which one are you going to see?
00:40:07.040In Donald Trump, you have the founder of the America First movement, a man that many, many Republicans and many Americans believe was cheated out of a second term and deserves a chance to try to win one.
00:40:20.340In Ron DeSantis, you have a pale imitation of Donald Trump, and frankly, his candidacy is failing.
00:40:29.260The rate of spending, it just blows my mind.
00:40:33.120I mean, as a veteran of many presidential campaigns, the budgeting and spending of a presidential campaign, taking into consideration the long haul and the stream of primaries and caucuses is crucial.
00:40:47.940By my calculations, given the lack of small donors who can give again, given the reliance on large donors who cannot give again, I think there's a high probability Ron DeSantis will be completely and totally out of money October 1st.
00:41:06.720From Roger Stone to your ears, October 1st.
00:41:11.120And it is always great to talk with you.
00:41:14.500We appreciate you being with us, Roger.