The Great America Show - DC COURTS — WHERE JUSTICE DIES

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being with us.

00:00:08.300 Today we explore the dimensions of the unscrupulous Biden regime and the deep state's rampant

00:00:14.420 corruption, all of which is on prominent display to the entire nation. The leader of the House

00:00:20.760 investigating committees putting forward more evidence that the FBI leadership is chronically

00:00:26.980 deceitful and without any sense of honor or ethics. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan

00:00:33.820 released the latest Facebook files, and they show the FBI lying about extensive meetings

00:00:40.820 with Facebook discussing the Hunter Biden laptop from hell. These new revelations are from newly

00:00:47.980 disclosed Facebook communication documents. The FBI has maintained throughout that they met with

00:00:54.200 Facebook executives only once about Hunter's laptop from hell. The newly released documents

00:01:00.840 from Chairman Jordan show that in a deposition, FBI agent Elvis Chan, who was the go-between for the

00:01:08.240 FBI with big tech, claimed that apart from one instance, he was not aware of any other meetings

00:01:14.700 between the FBI and Facebook. He clearly lied. In that same deposition, Chan also claimed that he has no

00:01:23.360 quote, internal knowledge of an FBI investigation regarding the laptop. Jordan's latest files show that Chan

00:01:32.640 lied under oath, showing that he met with Facebook more than once regarding the Hunter Biden story.

00:01:38.780 The weight of the evidence against the FBI and its leadership culture of corruption is overwhelming

00:01:45.060 now, and it reaches throughout much of the agency. Only yesterday, a former top FBI official who was in the

00:01:53.020 Trump-Russia collusion crossfire efforts to frame Trump let it be known that he is pleading guilty to

00:02:00.640 illegally working for a Russian oligarch. The disgraced FBI agent is Charles McGonial. He was a former

00:02:08.500 top FBI counterintel agent based in New York. He was indicted in January on charges of money laundering

00:02:16.240 and violating U.S. sanctions by working for the Russian oligarch, trying to get the Russian billionaire

00:02:22.700 removed from the U.S. sanctions list. And yes, you and I can be sure the Department of Justice will offer

00:02:29.140 him some sort of sweetheart deal. It will protect him lest he testify against the higher-ups. And of course,

00:02:37.320 the DOJ's persecution of President Trump will go on. They've charged him with so many baseless counts

00:02:44.700 that he faces more than 400 years in prison. The DOJ and FBI are criminals. Make no mistake about it.

00:02:53.340 They're corrupt and vicious to the bone. President Trump indicted again last week for the January 6th 0.94

00:02:59.780 demonstration. New documents, though, show a big part of that indictment came from secret notes and

00:03:06.080 testimony from former Vice President Mike Pence. Pence, who Trump says has gone to the dark side.

00:03:15.060 President Trump said this, quote,

00:03:17.120 Wow, it's finally happened. Little Mike Pence, a man who was about to be ousted as governor of Indiana

00:03:23.800 until I came along and made him VP, has gone to the dark side. I never told a newly emboldened Pence

00:03:31.540 to put me above the Constitution or that Mike was, quote, too honest. He's delusional. And now he wants

00:03:38.920 to show he's a tough guy, end quote. Pence says he has no intention of testifying against President

00:03:46.260 Trump. But over the weekend, Trump's attorney, John Laro, welcomed the idea of Mike Pence testifying.

00:03:53.980 Here he is. Mike Pence will be one of our best witnesses at trial. I read his book very carefully.

00:04:00.640 And if he testifies consistent with his book, then President Trump will be acquitted for these

00:04:06.740 reasons. Number one, Mr. Pence recognizes that John Eastman, who was giving legal advice,

00:04:11.920 was a renowned legal scholar. Number two, Vice President Pence recognized that there were

00:04:16.860 discrepancies and fraud in connection with the election. He wanted it to be debated on Capitol

00:04:23.100 Hill. Mr. Trump wanted it to be debated in the state legislatures. But what make no mistake about

00:04:28.960 it, based on what Vice President Pence will say, the government will never be able to prove beyond

00:04:34.520 a reasonable doubt that President Trump had corrupt or criminal intent. And that's what this case is

00:04:40.200 about. And of course, weak Willie Barr, eager to testify against President Trump. Barr was on Face

00:04:47.180 the Nation over the weekend where he repeated his lie that he investigated election fraud in 2020.

00:04:55.600 Would you appear as a witness if called? Of course. Could you describe your interactions

00:04:59.820 with the president on this question about whether or not he won or lost and what you told him?

00:05:05.140 Well, I wasn't discussing. Well, I go through that in my book in painstaking detail, but on three

00:05:11.080 occasions at least, and I told him in no uncertain terms that there was no evidence of fraud that

00:05:18.000 would have changed the outcome. One of those associated with the Trump's defense team has

00:05:22.040 said, if you were called as a witness, they would cross-examine you and pierce all of that by asking

00:05:26.920 you questions that you couldn't, to their mind, credibly answer about how thorough that investigation

00:05:32.460 was that led you to tell the president what you told him. How thorough was that investigation?

00:05:36.520 Well, I think it satisfied us that there was no basis for concluding that there had been fraud in

00:05:44.300 those instances. Some of them were obvious. OK, one that he keeps on repeating is, you know, that there

00:05:49.500 were more that more people voted than absentee ballots that were requested. And that was mixing

00:05:55.940 apples and oranges. And once that was explained to him, we should we should have heard no more about

00:06:01.120 that. Others required further investigation, interviews and so forth. And those were done.

00:06:05.340 The former attorney general should be investigated, in my opinion, and he should be called upon to

00:06:10.940 repeat that lie under oath, because it is surely a lie. Let's bring in our guest today. Joining us

00:06:18.040 now, a great American, Roger Stone. He's a bestselling author, Republican strategist, confidant and

00:06:24.820 advisor to President Trump. Roger, great to have you back with us on The Great America Show.

00:06:30.580 Lou, it's my privilege to be here.

00:06:32.340 So let's start with the president in full, full persecution by the deep state and the Marxist

00:06:41.560 Dems. Is there any any horizon that you can see that offers hope that this this travesty can be

00:06:51.360 brought to an end? Well, it's really quite extraordinary. In other words, by charging Donald

00:06:56.580 Trump with election interference, the politicized and weaponized Justice Department is engaging in

00:07:03.600 election interference. Does anyone in their right mind think that if Donald Trump was not leading

00:07:10.800 the Republican field by big double digits, was not leading Joe Biden both nationally and in every swing

00:07:19.280 state at this point? Or does anybody believe if there weren't more and more shocking revelations of

00:07:25.740 corruption, extortion, bribery, money laundering, influence peddling, illegal lobbying, as well as,

00:07:34.860 let's just say it, treason, the acceptance of millions of dollars from China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania? If any, if these things were not happen, does anybody believe Donald Trump would be charged with what is largely a fabricated crime?

00:07:49.660 I've never seen anything like this. I've I've been in American politics for 45 years. I mean, who arrests and seeks to jail their political opponents? Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, and now, sadly, Joe Biden.

00:08:10.040 It is without question, straightforwardly, an assault on his principal political opponent and done with knowledge for thought and intent. There's no doubt of it. And as you say, no decent, reasonable American can doubt what is happening before our very eyes. And yet, and yet, we have the polls reflecting that.

00:08:35.420 But we do not have a physical action being taken by the Congress of the United States, by the leadership of the minority in the Senate, by the Republican National Committee to say this outrage must end.

00:08:49.240 And and and and and now we don't have the American Bar Association raising even so much as a whisper about these attorneys, Dan Goldman, Adam Schiff, who are whose conduct is abhorrent and repugnant.

00:09:07.240 Where are we to find some leadership that would intercede and intervene outside, if I may say, at the Supreme Court?

00:09:16.400 Well, obviously, questioning the outcome of an election is an egregious crime for which you should be sent to prison unless you're Kamala Harris or Nancy Pelosi or the late John Lewis or Amy Klobuchar or Stacey Abrams or Chuck Schumer or Terry McAuliffe or the hundred members of Congress who who objected to the certification of the Electoral College when Donald Trump was elected.

00:09:45.400 And in 2016, if you're one of them, it's perfectly OK.

00:09:50.360 This is really an absurdity. And I think, sadly, the president and his lawyers are about to find out that in the District of Columbia, the Constitution doesn't matter.

00:10:02.880 The law doesn't matter. The law doesn't matter. The rules don't matter. The evidence doesn't matter.

00:10:08.720 And the facts don't matter. I've been in this particular meat grinder.

00:10:14.260 I know exactly what it's like. This motion by the prosecutors for a protective order because, quote, Donald Trump may leak grand jury documents online.

00:10:27.340 There's no evidence that he would do that. They're trying to limit his ability to defend himself in the public square.

00:10:35.680 They did the exact same thing to me. It is patently unconstitutional.

00:10:40.980 Nowhere does it say that if you're charged with a crime, you forfeit your right to free speech.

00:10:47.420 The idea that his in my case, they said, oh, well, if you defend yourself publicly, that might taint the jury pool in the District of Columbia.

00:10:57.620 Really? Do you think CNN and MSNBC and CBS and ABC and NBC and The New York Times and the dominant Washington Post?

00:11:07.300 Do you think that taints the jury pool in D.C. when it comes to Donald Trump, where 93 percent of the local electorate voted for Joe Biden?

00:11:18.440 And where I guarantee you his jury will not include a single Republican, not one, not one.

00:11:25.680 And we are we're very familiar with this judge, Judge Shutkin, who is best known for being the handing down the most severe sentences to the January 6th political prisoners.

00:11:39.880 There is not a single quality about her, not a single characteristic in her professional life that would commend her to a fair trial for President Donald Trump.

00:11:54.180 And he would think it would be automatic that she would be removed.

00:11:58.700 And he sent to a different venue by his request.

00:12:03.220 Well, in fact, this judge and her husband and her mother-in-law are major donors to Barack Obama.

00:12:10.260 She received her appointment to the federal bench, as did her husband, by the way, because he's also a federal judge.

00:12:17.240 Only after this, these large contributions, she worked in the same law firm prior to going to the bench as Hunter Biden.

00:12:27.060 She withheld the Fusion GPS information that would have proved that the Steele dossier was a fraud from Donald Trump previously.

00:12:38.160 She is very clearly a partisan.

00:12:40.620 And I don't know if you saw this, Lou, but it was reported online, and I believe it to be accurate, that Judge Amy Berman Jackson, Judge Bosberg of the chief judge now of that court, and Judge Moss were all present for the arraignment of Donald Trump, all sitting in the back row, essentially licking their chops.

00:13:08.180 I'm not a lawyer, but lawyers who I do respect tell me that that's entirely inappropriate.

00:13:15.400 In many cases, these judges have already said negative things about Donald Trump on the record, demonstrating their bias against him.

00:13:26.220 The chances of Donald Trump getting the judge to recuse herself, because that's who makes the decision, is zero.

00:13:35.020 The chance of the judge granting a move of venue to say, even Virginia, never mind West Virginia, I think is sadly also zero.

00:13:45.480 Now, Trump's lawyers can appeal that, but I can tell you firsthand, appealing to the D.C. Court of Appeals is essentially a waste of time.

00:13:55.300 They will never overrule one of the lower judges, and they will rubber stamp any decision made by the trial court judge.

00:14:03.100 That leaves, Lou, as you point out, the only place this could possibly get a fair adjudication is the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:14:11.560 But in the case of the election, they essentially declined to hear any of the very real election fraud cases.

00:14:20.140 Twenty-one state attorney generals appealed to the Supreme Court to examine election results, and the Supreme Court declined.

00:14:28.960 But they did decline, and they declined on the basis of standing or jurisdiction, and in point of fact said that despite their constitutional placement and responsibility and authority,

00:14:44.500 that they couldn't intervene between one state suing another state for elections.

00:14:50.960 My lord, the impact of fraudulent elections across the country is the business of those states, and it's really, to me, supercilious and specious that the court made such a decision,

00:15:10.420 and courts followed all across the land, including all of the battleground states.

00:15:16.320 So, here we are in America, 2023, and I want to get your opinion right after we take this quick break about what is going on in this country where it feels like society is having an emotional breakdown of sorts.

00:15:35.100 We're going to get Roger Stone's view on that right after these quick words.

00:15:39.760 Stay with us.

00:15:46.320 We're back now with Roger Stone, who is an extraordinary, I think, social as well as political thinker.

00:15:54.200 I want to get your view on what seems to be a breakdown in institutions, whether it be the corporatist national media,

00:16:02.020 whether it be the Marxist Dems indoctrination of public schools and higher education, our colleges and universities,

00:16:09.800 whether it be, in point of fact, the Democratic Party, and, without question, they have control of the entire federal government apparatus.

00:16:22.480 Well, sadly, though, I have to conclude that we're not suffering as the result of just misguided or incorrect policies.

00:16:31.840 I think, very sadly, that our country has been infiltrated at the highest levels by the Communist Chinese. 0.99

00:16:39.700 They are systematically buying up prime farmland, ranchland, bridges, tunnels, ports, highways, airports.

00:16:51.360 It's really quite extraordinary.

00:16:54.280 They're literally burrowing their way into our educational institutions.

00:16:58.860 They're burrowing their way into our major corporations.

00:17:03.060 We are basically gladly selling them everything.

00:17:06.780 And we know now definitively that the president of the United States himself has been on the take.

00:17:13.780 I mean, look, Lyndon Johnson and his wife had enormous stock holdings in Bell Helicopter and General Dynamics.

00:17:21.640 So they made a fortune on the escalation of the war in Vietnam, but they did it the old-fashioned way. 0.98

00:17:28.360 The Bidens cut out the middleman.

00:17:31.020 They seem to go directly to the source.

00:17:34.300 So none of these things we see going on in our society, none of them are an accident.

00:17:41.400 This is all part of a greater plan, in essence, to give up the country without firing a shot.

00:17:49.620 Despite the fact that there are tens of thousands of military-oriented younger men coming into this hemisphere through Panama to China,

00:18:03.240 it appears to me that they won't need to fire a shot.

00:18:06.340 They will own America in the blink of an eye. 0.95

00:18:09.760 And our government is very sadly in on it.

00:18:13.600 This is the plan.

00:18:14.800 It's not a mistake.

00:18:15.960 Open borders, not a mistake.

00:18:18.240 Yet Vice President Kamala Harris and Secretary Mayorkas say with a straight face, our border is secure.

00:18:27.660 Like, don't believe what you see with your own eyes.

00:18:30.560 Believe our press release.

00:18:31.940 The open borders, as you know, have led to a crime epidemic in this country, a drug epidemic in this country.

00:18:41.580 It's startling, particularly when you see how quickly it all fell apart.

00:18:47.120 I mean, under Donald Trump, we had the secure southern border in decades.

00:18:51.860 The number of illegal crossings had dwindled to almost nothing.

00:18:55.740 We had a boom economy.

00:18:58.500 We had our adversaries around the world at bay because of the unpredictability of Donald Trump.

00:19:07.840 Vladimir Putin would not risk going into Ukraine.

00:19:11.360 Chairman Xi would not risk going into Taiwan as long as Donald Trump was in the White House because he warned them against it.

00:19:20.420 He told them he would hit them, his words.

00:19:22.980 And they weren't sure whether he would or whether he wouldn't, but they weren't going to take a chance.

00:19:27.540 That unpredictability kept our adversaries at bay.

00:19:32.120 Indeed, it did.

00:19:34.440 And it has been just it hasn't even been three years.

00:19:37.600 We're talking about just a little over two and a half years in which we have seen this country turn upside down from the latter days of Donald J.

00:19:48.400 Trump as president of the United States.

00:19:50.040 And what ensued from that point, the January 6th riots, as the left likes to call them.

00:19:59.040 But those demonstrations, a part of those demonstrators were violent and moved through the Capitol.

00:20:08.260 And we've watched the Justice Department react as if they were part of a Stalinist police state.

00:20:16.720 This is a police state now.

00:20:18.500 I don't think anyone can argue reasonably that point because there is rampant surveillance, warrantless wiretaps everywhere.

00:20:28.500 There is a there's a pretense on Capitol Hill that there will be a big political battle over 702, the section pertaining to wiretapping of foreign intelligence agents.

00:20:39.940 It's all a fraud.

00:20:41.420 It's it's a pretense.

00:20:43.120 And the United States right now is faced with two parties, one that is absolutely venal and committed to the destruction of Donald Trump and the and this great republic.

00:20:55.080 And the other, which seems to be frozen, paralyzed by the prospect of actually taking action in the national interest.

00:21:04.480 Your thoughts, I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't agree more.

00:21:07.700 Our problem today today is not the crazy Marxist socialist radical Democrats. 0.82

00:21:14.820 Our problem are the gutless, feckless, weak need, lily livered, white wine, swilling, country club belonging establishment Republicans who don't seem to have any guts or any courage. 0.87

00:21:31.720 Obviously, obviously, that doesn't I'm not speaking about every Republican, but where is Kevin McCarthy?

00:21:38.620 Where is the speaker?

00:21:39.720 There is more evidence today to to rationalize articles of impeachment against Joe Biden and others than there ever was to to rationalize articles of impeachment against Donald Trump.

00:21:54.160 First in the Russian collusion hoax, then in the Ukraine hoax.

00:21:58.060 In fact, we now know that the second impeachment of Trump was a cover up because Joe Biden accepted 10 million dollars.

00:22:05.980 Joe Biden and his son accepted 10 million dollars in bribes in return for using his power as vice president to threaten to withhold a billion dollars of aid from Ukraine.

00:22:17.120 If they didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma Energy and his son and they were both getting paid.

00:22:25.060 So where is Kevin McCarthy?

00:22:27.800 What is he doing?

00:22:29.360 It's very hard to understand.

00:22:31.560 I thought that that's what the election was about, but evidently not.

00:22:36.400 We seem to be with the exception of a handful of patriots in the House who are, I think, pursuing the Biden matter as aggressively as they can.

00:22:45.700 But the Democrats jump up and down and talk constantly about the rule of law.

00:22:50.440 Where is the rule of law when the FBI director refuses to turn over documents or witnesses that the U.S. Congress is constitutionally entitled to?

00:23:01.640 The idea of congressional oversight has become now a shibboleth.

00:23:07.360 It is, to whatever degree it was, at least an energetic effort on the part of the Congress to oversee the budgets and the appropriations and the activities of our federal government.

00:23:20.040 It is no longer.

00:23:21.240 They don't even pretend to hold to account the FBI, the law enforcement agencies, what were once law enforcement agencies.

00:23:29.680 They're filled with outlaws in their leadership, and they mean business when they talk about subverting the United States.

00:23:37.600 So we end up with a fifth column in the country, the Marxist Dems, the Democratic Party, which is their exterior shell, as well as all of the activists within education, within our society. 0.74

00:23:51.940 The fifth column of Marxist Dems in this country has taken control of the country, and no one wants to admit it.

00:24:01.480 It's without question.

00:24:03.580 They are in control of the federal government.

00:24:06.500 Do you think there is any argument otherwise?

00:24:09.320 No, I think you're absolutely right.

00:24:10.580 The good news, if there is any, is the extraordinary resilience of Donald Trump.

00:24:18.820 I must tell you, for a man under this kind of attack, I traveled with him for a couple of days, four days, I guess, about two weeks ago.

00:24:28.040 I must tell you, he's extraordinarily calm.

00:24:31.500 He's extraordinarily determined.

00:24:34.160 He's extraordinarily resolute.

00:24:37.040 His humor is very good.

00:24:39.300 I think in a strange way, he's at his absolute best when he's in crisis.

00:24:45.340 He is going to punch back.

00:24:48.560 No, when he says, if you come after me, I'm coming after you, that's not a personal threat to the prosecutors.

00:24:55.420 That is a reference to the whole corrupted system.

00:24:58.660 That's political rhetoric.

00:25:00.980 It's political dialogue.

00:25:02.520 It's political messaging.

00:25:03.860 It's protected by the First Amendment.

00:25:06.800 And there's nothing shy about Donald Trump.

00:25:10.460 He will fight this out.

00:25:12.080 And he really does see it as a larger fight to save the country.

00:25:17.480 Timing here, Lou, is going to be everything.

00:25:19.800 Because I do think the polls reflect that even with the lapdog media doing their best to bury the news about the epic corruption of the Bidens, and even with the biased coverage, watching Andrea Mitchell, God, it is time to put her out to pasture.

00:25:38.700 She is not a journalist.

00:25:39.760 She's just a propagandist, if she knows what day of the week it is.

00:25:43.980 It is really painful to watch.

00:25:46.780 But this all boils down to timing.

00:25:49.480 I don't see, and I'm not an attorney, so therefore I'm not an expert, but I don't see how it is possible to get this D.C. indictment to trial prior to the election.

00:26:02.020 I think the only reason the D.C. indictment was brought was because there is a deep fear within the deep state that Donald Trump might just get a fair trial in Florida on this ridiculous documents case.

00:26:17.720 The Presidential Documents Act of 1977 makes it absolutely clear that the president himself can decide what is personal and what should go back to the National Archives.

00:26:30.340 And that was upheld by none other than Judge Amy Berman Jackson herself, who was the judge in my case.

00:26:38.260 She ruled that Bill Clinton could do anything with his documents that he wanted, including keeping them in his sock drawer at home.

00:26:45.540 So they have outsmarted themselves.

00:26:49.320 This will go to trial in Florida by the luck of the wheel before a judge appointed by Donald Trump, which means you actually get a fair trial.

00:26:58.740 And they're apoplectic about the fact that Trump may get acquitted.

00:27:04.240 That's why we had to bring a separate set of charges in D.C.

00:27:07.720 Now, interestingly, the one charge I thought they would bring, a charge of essentially sedition in connection with the events of January 6th, specifically the riot, is implied in the indictment that they brought.

00:27:23.620 But there is no specific charge.

00:27:25.460 This is significant because, theoretically, conviction on that charge, a charge of sedition, would make him legally ineligible to be president.

00:27:36.960 At least there is a legal argument to that effect.

00:27:41.040 Other constitutional scholars say that's not the case, that the qualifications for president are specifically outlined elsewhere in the Constitution.

00:27:50.040 But that is the goal.

00:27:51.620 Then you would have 50 state legal fights, individual state fights, over whether his name could appear on the ballot.

00:28:00.060 I don't see how any of these D.C. matters get to trial before the election, which means, Lou, the American people may be the ultimate jury in all of these cases.

00:28:14.360 The American people will have the ability, in essence, to free America.

00:28:19.100 It's interesting when there was speculation at the end of Donald Trump's term that he might issue a blanket pardon to himself or members of his family because of concern about, not that they'd done anything wrong, but about future weaponization of the Justice Department.

00:28:39.740 And legal scholars and law professors like Lawrence Tribe argued that the president did not necessarily have the legal authority to pardon himself.

00:28:49.940 Mark my words, when Joe Biden pardons himself and his son and his brother, which he will, then Professor Tribe will say, oh, no, it's perfectly all right.

00:28:59.720 I don't, for a moment, not a word of what you said.

00:29:03.460 I think you've got it exactly right, as you always, nearly always do.

00:29:08.380 And we're going to take up the president's competition for the nomination in 2024 and how they're doing and how he's doing.

00:29:19.520 We're talking with Roger Stone.

00:29:21.320 Stay with us.

00:29:21.880 We'll be right back.

00:29:22.700 We're back now talking with Roger Stone, esteemed political strategist, bestselling author and great American.

00:29:35.480 I want to turn to the pending indictment, if you will, from Fulton County in Georgia, that district attorney there, much like Alvin Bragg, the attorney general of the state of New York, campaigning on their threats to prosecute Donald Trump.

00:29:56.840 Your thoughts about the import and relevance of such an indictment, if it does come?

00:30:03.780 This is yet another totally politically motivated indictment that is not based on fact.

00:30:10.740 I have listened to the entire recording of the phone call in question.

00:30:16.460 I have read the entire transcript.

00:30:18.940 Lou, it's tedious.

00:30:20.280 This went on for quite some time.

00:30:22.260 It's very clear within context that Donald Trump does not tell the secretary of state to go out and find 11,870 votes.

00:30:31.820 What he says to him is, you have already inadvertently and incorrectly counted 11,870 illegal votes.

00:30:42.600 And he breaks it down.

00:30:43.760 5,000 plus of those are convicted felons.

00:30:47.680 Another 1,200 are people who are deceased, et cetera.

00:30:52.340 So that is not the same thing.

00:30:54.200 So the accusation that Trump told the secretary of state, who was a Republican, but not at all friendly, to go out and find additional votes, that's a bastardization of what he said.

00:31:09.960 This particular prosecutor, Fannie Wills, has had ethical problems in the past.

00:31:15.760 She evidently was having a sexual affair with a gang member.

00:31:19.020 She was supposed to be prosecuting the serious questions about about her integrity.

00:31:25.240 But again, this is the process of piling on.

00:31:29.280 So when will the Georgia indictment come?

00:31:31.860 I can tell you exactly when it will come, Lou.

00:31:34.340 It'll come when a new big story breaks about more documentation of the epic corruption of Joe and Hunter Biden.

00:31:42.220 That's exactly when it will come.

00:31:44.620 There's a pattern here.

00:31:45.860 Every time a big story, whether it's the Burisma payments or cocaine being found in the White House, within three days, the Secret Service and the FBI tell us they can't possibly figure out where that came from.

00:32:00.420 Yet it took John Durham five years to determine that there was no Russian collusion.

00:32:06.080 Just coincidentally, that five years is the length of the statute of limitations so that Hillary Clinton and John Podesta and James Comey and John Brennan and Attorney General Loretta Lynch and others could not be prosecuted.

00:32:23.640 How convenient.

00:32:25.300 How convenient.

00:32:26.340 And it's so easy to lose track of some of these sorties in the national media.

00:32:33.500 For example, the Epstein documents, the Epstein book and the names contained therein.

00:32:40.320 It's locked up in legal challenges.

00:32:43.860 And here we are two years later, a few years later, trying to figure out where that went.

00:32:50.260 And people easily forget that we also still don't have the remaining documents from the JFK assassination.

00:33:01.480 They were not released and have no possibility of being released by this president.

00:33:07.840 Your thoughts on all this that goes to die in the swamp?

00:33:12.200 You know, one thing, Lou, that I really find objectionable, and that is the refusal of the Department of Homeland Security to provide Secret Service protection for Robert F.

00:33:24.480 Kennedy Jr. while he runs for president.

00:33:27.500 Now, I'm a Trump supporter, just to be very clear.

00:33:31.080 I like some of the things Robert Kennedy says.

00:33:33.580 He wants to seal our border.

00:33:35.380 He's a very rare Democrat in that sense who wants to seal the southern border.

00:33:39.240 He's very skeptical about the war in Ukraine and shipping billions more to that effort.

00:33:45.660 He, I think, is reasonably worried about World War III.

00:33:50.820 He's worried about the weaponization of our intelligence agencies.

00:33:55.200 He's worried about the weaponization of our justice system.

00:33:58.500 But his father and his uncle, John F. Kennedy, President John F. Kennedy, murdered while he was president.

00:34:06.920 Senator Robert F. Kennedy, former Attorney General of the United States, murdered while he was running for president.

00:34:12.820 On the one hand, the media and the Biden opposition research operation foments hatred and animus against him.

00:34:22.180 And in the next breath, they deny him Secret Service protection, which under federal law as a qualified candidate for president, he is entitled to apply for.

00:34:33.420 After Robert F. Kennedy Sr. was brutally murdered in Los Angeles on the night of his victory in the California Democratic primary in 1968, the Congress passed a law which gave then the Treasury Department, which oversaw the Secret Service, the authority to extend coverage to every candidate.

00:34:55.540 And in fact, President Lyndon Johnson ordered Secret Service protection for every candidate running in 1968.

00:35:03.660 Robert Kennedy has applied for such protection, and it has been rejected by the Biden administration.

00:35:11.480 I think this is this is a callous outrage.

00:35:14.760 His father and his father's brother were murdered while serving as president or running for president.

00:35:21.120 They foment hatred against him, calling him a conspiracy theorist, which he is not, trying not to, I think, legitimize his candidacy.

00:35:31.660 It bothers me that some unhinged individual could be motivated to hurt him or even kill him.

00:35:39.000 This is this is completely irresponsible by the Biden administration.

00:35:43.140 Robert Kennedy, who I'm not supporting for president, but who I like in terms of a number of the issues that he is raising, deserves Secret Service protection.

00:35:52.580 Couldn't agree more.

00:35:53.700 And the idea that this administration is, again, trying to hamstring to diminish an opponent of the president.

00:36:09.380 It's all part and parcel of their operandi.

00:36:13.000 It's disgusting to see what they are, what they do, what they have, in some degree, to some great degree, made this country at this very moment.

00:36:27.700 I mean, we are less than we have ever been as a nation, in my opinion.

00:36:31.840 I could not agree more.

00:36:34.640 This is they're already rigging the process.

00:36:36.400 So they have essentially, effectively canceled the first in the nation Iowa caucuses within the Democratic contest.

00:36:45.500 They have done away with the New Hampshire primary, which by law, by state law, must be held ahead of any other state primary, even if that means holding it in 2023, by the way.

00:36:57.500 They've stripped those states of their delegates because they're afraid that Robert Kennedy could run a grassroots campaign on the ground in those states.

00:37:05.960 It's a peace and freedom campaign, as he puts it, and that Joe Biden is extraordinarily vulnerable.

00:37:12.560 So they just cancel those contests in South Carolina, where you have an absolute majority African-American Democratic primary electorate, is the first in the nation primary.

00:37:26.120 I think they may have outsmarted themselves.

00:37:28.480 I think Robert Kennedy may have greater appeal there than perhaps they think.

00:37:32.080 I think that's interesting, and you're probably right.

00:37:36.680 It's going to be an interesting test across the board, including in the Republican primaries.

00:37:41.780 DeSantis, the oligarchs, the Republican oligarchs, said would be the man to take down Donald Trump in his quest to be the 47th president.

00:37:53.820 They couldn't have been much more in error.

00:37:57.340 We're looking at a 40-point-plus lead over DeSantis by the president.

00:38:03.800 Your thoughts about DeSantis' prospects now?

00:38:07.820 I think they're virtually nonexistent.

00:38:10.300 In all honesty, I live in Florida, Lou.

00:38:12.100 We have a home insurance crisis.

00:38:15.780 We have a utility rate crisis.

00:38:18.060 We have a malaria crisis.

00:38:20.660 We have a crime crisis.

00:38:23.020 They are right back to pushing critical race theory in the public schools.

00:38:26.620 I know the governor signed an executive order prohibiting that, but he's taken no actions to actually enforce that.

00:38:34.500 It's happening right now in the largest county in the state, the one that I live in.

00:38:39.200 He is really derelict in his duties.

00:38:41.880 He was just elected six months ago.

00:38:43.920 He should come back to Florida at 42 years old and do the job he was elected to do.

00:38:50.380 I think that the linchpin of his entire political strategy was Trump is going to be indicted, and when that happens, his candidacy will collapse, and I'll be the only guy left standing.

00:39:02.520 Well, Trump has been indicted.

00:39:04.640 His political standing has been galvanized and reinforced.

00:39:08.280 He is going to go up further in the polls.

00:39:10.880 He is going to pull in tens of millions of dollars in small and medium-sized contributions to fuel his campaign.

00:39:19.480 So the underlying premise of DeSantis' entire theory of candidacy turns out to be incorrect.

00:39:26.840 Now, add to that that in states like Iowa and New Hampshire, where you're not well-known and where people want to see you and want to mix with you, where Trump is a 100% known commodity, Ron DeSantis lacks that likability factor that I think is crucial in American politics.

00:39:47.080 He seems to be, at a minimum, an introvert in an extrovert's business.

00:39:53.880 He's socially awkward, and he lacks a rationale.

00:39:59.160 I think I said it on your show, but I'll say it again.

00:40:01.800 If you have a choice of seeing the Beatles or seeing a Beatles tribute band, which one are you going to see?

00:40:07.040 In Donald Trump, you have the founder of the America First movement, a man that many, many Republicans and many Americans believe was cheated out of a second term and deserves a chance to try to win one.

00:40:20.340 In Ron DeSantis, you have a pale imitation of Donald Trump, and frankly, his candidacy is failing.

00:40:29.260 The rate of spending, it just blows my mind.

00:40:33.120 I mean, as a veteran of many presidential campaigns, the budgeting and spending of a presidential campaign, taking into consideration the long haul and the stream of primaries and caucuses is crucial.

00:40:47.940 By my calculations, given the lack of small donors who can give again, given the reliance on large donors who cannot give again, I think there's a high probability Ron DeSantis will be completely and totally out of money October 1st.

00:41:06.720 From Roger Stone to your ears, October 1st.

00:41:11.120 And it is always great to talk with you.

00:41:14.500 We appreciate you being with us, Roger.

00:41:16.820 A great discussion.

00:41:18.740 Thanks so much for being with us.

00:41:20.180 And we look forward to our next talk.

00:41:22.140 And also, as we go down in the checklist on each of your prophecies and forecasts, we always give our guests the last word.

00:41:30.660 Your concluding thoughts, if you would, Roger.

00:41:32.440 Very simple.

00:41:34.040 God bless you, Lou, and God bless America.

00:41:36.600 And let us pray for Donald Trump, because he prays not for himself.

00:41:41.100 He prays for the country.

00:41:43.060 Thanks to Roger Stone.

00:41:44.660 Thanks, everybody, for listening today.

00:41:46.340 Our guest here tomorrow is Congressman Tim Burchett.

00:41:49.740 Congressman Burchett, a leader in the House investigation into UFOs and extraterrestrial life.

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00:42:12.140 Until then, thanks.

00:42:13.840 God bless you.

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The Great America Show - August 08, 2023

DC COURTS — WHERE JUSTICE DIES

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