DEMS' JAN 6 PROBE WOULD MAKE STALIN PROUD
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On January 6th, the House Intelligence Committee was sworn in to investigate what happened in the Capitol on that day in 2017. What happened? And why did it happen? On today's show with Lou Dobbs, Lee Smith, author of the book, The Plot Against the President, joins us to explain what happened that day and why it happened.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs,
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always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
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And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Great America show. And today,
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we're examining the January 6th committee and its successor failures and investigating what
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happened and why in the Capitol on January 6th. The committee at its formation, back in June of
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last year, was, well, it was clearly created as a political weapon by the House Speaker, Nancy
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Pelosi. Not only did she choose the members, seven Democrats and two Republicans, she pushed away the
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Republicans that Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader, wanted to be on the committee if there
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was to be a committee. And this will not surprise anyone. The two Republicans that she did put on
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the committee are rhinos, who are at war with the Republican Party, and both of whom hate former
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President Donald Trump and his America First policies. Congressman Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger
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are highly objectionable personalities at their best. But in that regard, they do match up well with
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their Democrat colleagues on the committee. Public hearings are expected to begin, we're told
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reliably, in late March. And those hearings promise to be, of course, explosive, if not revelatory,
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hyper-partisan, and a plain, awful reprise of two baseless impeachment efforts to overthrow then-President
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Donald Trump. A lot going on here that will surely be just another burden and aggravation for
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President Trump. One more radical Dem attempt to drive him from the public arena. And yes, all of this
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is further confirmation that the radical Dems have nothing to talk about without the former president to
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attack. To help us all understand what this committee is doing, what it's up to, best-selling author of the
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book, The Plot Against the President, which was made into a terrific documentary as well, by the same title,
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which we highly recommend to you. Lee Smith is also a former journalist, staff member of the House
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Intelligence Committee, a great American. Lee, welcome, and great to have you with us. I'd like
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to start, if I may, with the expression, here we go again. Another radical Dem effort, an investigation
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of President Trump. They keep at it. They've been at it since before he was elected. And now, after he's
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left the White House, more than a year later, they're still at it. How do they get away with it?
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Yeah, the press is how. That's all they have, right? And that, well, I mean, they also have,
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unfortunately, America's intelligence services. But the main component is the press. And we'll thank
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you, first of all, for the very kind introduction, Lee, and for inviting me on today. And yeah, the way
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that I see January 6th is a reprise or a different leg of what started with the plot against the
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President, Russiagate. I mean, we have the same elements. There's the press. There are clearly
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intelligence services, domestic services were part of January 6th. And of course, Democratic Party
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officials and operatives. And it's not surprising to see Adam Schiff, the now chairman of the House
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Intelligence Committee, in the middle of it once again. First, if they went after Donald Trump and
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his key aides like Michael Flynn and campaign volunteers like Carter Page, I mean, what they're
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doing now is they've expanded their targets. So they're not only going after Donald Trump,
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going after some of the some of the Republicans who have been loyal to him. We're also targeting
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Trump supporters. I mean, this is this is this is something else to turn the intelligence services
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against regular ordinary Americans for exercising their First Amendment rights. Shocking.
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You just you're making me very nervous because, you know, I did vote for President Trump.
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Yeah, I don't I don't want I don't want those intelligence services, the deep state,
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the radical dims to know that, of course. Yeah. But yeah, they'd never figure that out.
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It's it's it's really stunning to watch this, the farce that they create. And any rational person,
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you have to laugh at them because of what they do. And then the next thing you're looking at them
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proceeding with impeachments that are baseless, fraudulent and fail each time that are on their face.
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farce. And still they persist, because as you say, the national corporate media and I emphasize
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the corporate media. Right. Is supporting every move they make without as far as I can think right
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now, without exception. Absolutely. I mean, and that's why I describe now what we grew up with as
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the press no longer exists. It's not simply a matter of partisanship. What these outfits are,
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they are platforms for information operations targeting the American middle class, targeting,
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targeting, targeting, targeting Americans who have stood up on behalf of the American voter,
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whether that's Donald Trump, whether it's whether it's now retired Congressman Devin Nunes,
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whether it's Michael Flynn, you know, whether it's whether it's the different people who got out
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there and posted protested on January 6th. So, yeah, it's it's it's it's absolutely disgraceful,
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because, of course, that that's that's one of the fundamental things that reporters should be doing.
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Right. It's not all about scoops. It's not all about amazing sources. It's about representing
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the common sense and the decency of the American people and to understand and to describe when
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something is nonsense, like describing January 6th as an insurrection is nonsense. Describing Donald
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Trump as a Russian spy is absolute nonsense. We find none of that from the press now, not necessarily
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because they've got stupider over the last three decades. So that's certainly a part of it. But
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because, again, it's a platform for information operations. That's all we're seeing from this
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corporate press. And why is it, in your judgment, that the corporate owners, the oligarchs,
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are pushing their media outlets into this political alignment with the radical Dems, with Marxists,
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whether it's critical race theory, whatever it may be, ESG. These are radical concepts. They are left
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wing. And suddenly corporate America is aligned not only domestically with them, but in terms of
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foreign policy. They're more aligned with Xi Jinping as they as they call for more investment by
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American investors. And I'm talking about retail investors, individual investors to move their money
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to buy the stocks of Chinese companies that are aligned in many cases directly and closely with
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the Chinese Communist Party. Oh, absolutely. I mean, I mean, the Democrats, right? Look, there are
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problems on there are some problems with Republicans regarding China. But right now, I mean, the Democratic Party
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is a pro-China faction, right? And this comes from their money, right? We're looking right now at some
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possible economic problems in China, which I know you know a lot more about that than I do. But insofar as
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Democratic Party money comes from Wall Street, it comes from big tech, and it comes from Hollywood. These are
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high profile sources of money. All of these are dependent on good relations with China. That's why
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I call the Democrats the pro-China faction right now in the United States. So there's lots of different
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reasons. I argue that one of the reasons that the oligarchy turned on Donald Trump and sicced their
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dogs stick the media on Donald Trump has precisely to do with China. Trump is the one president we've
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had since Kissinger and Nixon's 1972 opening with China. He's the one president who described China
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not merely as a challenge or a competitor, but as a threat to vital U.S. national security interests.
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And that's one reason they went after him. And if anyone doubts that, look at what the
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President Xi Jinping, how he reacted when President Trump put those tariffs on Chinese exports to the
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United States, insisting on balanced trade. And President Trump was talking about balanced trade,
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but for the world, not for just China. And when he said, you know, we're not going to be putting up
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with this stuff in the South China Sea. You can build up all the artificial islands you want. You
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can do what you want. But our ships will be absolutely steaming through the South China Sea
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where we wish, when we wish, because it's a matter of world interest, not just U.S. interest to keep
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those those lanes, those sea lanes open to traffic. Right. That's been one of the roles,
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that's been one of the extremely positive roles the U.S. has played in the post-World War II,
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post-World War II era in the Persian Gulf, as well as South China Sea. I mean, this is very,
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very important. And right. Donald Trump was not just doing it for the United States. It was about,
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we have all of these globalists talking about different things. Well, this was for world security,
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right? This was for, this was for the, you know, this was for the trade and transportation of goods
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across these vitally strategic waterways. But you talk about the press. And so let's look at,
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let's look at, let's look at some of the press and how their interests are staked to the Chinese
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Communist Party. Right. I mean, the owner of the Washington Post, right, he is the Chinese Communist
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Party's number one U.S. distributor. Right. If we look at publications like the Atlantic and all
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these people who have, who have a hand in big tech or their money comes from big tech and their money
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continues to come from big tech. So again, I think this is one reason why we're seeing the press go
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after not just Donald Trump and not just his aides, but also now Donald Trump supporters. These people
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have it out for, we've seen this all during the, you know, the COVID-19 regime, right? It's been to,
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it's been to damage. It's been to destroy the working and middle classes of America,
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while the oligarchy has gotten increasingly wealthy. And, you know, I, we, I started using
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oligarch a year ago to describe, uh, whether it's Jeff Bezos, whether it's, uh, Mark Zuckerberg,
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whomever it may be, uh, that is running and owning these enterprises that just define right now,
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technology power, media power in the United States. And we call Russians in this similar situation,
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we call them oligarchs, right? We are in exactly the same position as a Russian citizen. We have
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right now a government attempting to destroy our rights, uh, to enlarge government, uh, to eliminate,
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by the way, the impediments of state and local government. They are really talking about, uh,
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as Andy Biggs said on this show, uh, last week that they really want a national government,
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not a federal government. Federalism has no part of it. Our founders mean nothing to them.
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And I've talked about the democratic party straight up. That's who they are. And they're,
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and they're neo-Marxist, uh, colleagues in that party, as well as in corporate America,
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in education, you name it. That's what we're facing. I, I, I agree entirely. I've, I've been using
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oligarchy as well. If it's a, it, it, it, it is the word to describe, uh, to describe them. I,
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we, you know, we, we, we've, uh, typically called them elites as well, but if you look at,
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if you look at who they are, they're not, they're, they're, they're not elite, right? They have not,
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not, not, and not in any sense of the world, not in any sense of the word, right? They're,
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they're aspirational or performative elites, right? What we're really talking about is exactly
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the concentration, the constant, the concentration of wealth, the concentration of, um, uh,
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manufacturer distribution of certain goods. That's precisely what we're talking about and
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their ties. And so far, the democratic party is the platform for the oligarchs to exercise power
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right now. And you know, we're in the midst of hyperinflation in this, we're in the, not in the
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midst of it. We are approaching, uh, the, uh, uh, hyperinflation will be in the midst of it.
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I think, uh, perhaps as soon as the, uh, second half of this year, if, if conditions continue in
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the same direction that they are, but people need to understand, we all need to focus on this.
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There's a reason we have supply chain disruptions and that's because corporate America outsource
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millions of middle-class jobs. They offshored, uh, hundreds of plants around the world to the
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cheapest, uh, labor markets. And they also gave themselves a way to raise prices here
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that they never before had, because there would be too much political pressure.
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They can point the fingers, you know, their fingers at, uh, Bangladesh or, uh, Vietnam or China
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and say, well, you know, we're just dependent on them for all of this material and supplies and products
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and, you know, it's really their fault. And we're, we're having a lot of trouble with shipping,
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which is entire, almost entirely owned by the communist Chinese again. So corporate
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America has put itself in an advantageous position. They not only carry out labor arbitrage on wages,
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they then carry out, uh, the ability to raise prices at a, at an onerous level, if they choose to,
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it's not yet at that level, but they could very easily. And then, and then everybody talks about,
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well, we've got the supply chain disruption. We, what we have is a supply chain that's overseas.
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Why not do exactly what Donald Trump said, build your plants in the United States, hire Americans.
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If you need more labor, bring in guest workers and do it lawfully and legally, uh, without creating all of
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this, uh, conflict, but that isn't in their interest. I mean, it's, it's, it's nuts when you
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think about it, what are, uh, what our leadership class did over the last several decades to export
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our manufacturing base. I mean, this is, this is obvious that a strength of a country is dependent
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on the things that that country makes, right? This is about, this is partly about its economy,
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but it's also partly about its, uh, about its culture as well. And the idea of exporting all of
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these, uh, exporting our manufacturing base abroad, especially to an adversarial power like the Chinese
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communist party is absurd. That's what people should understand about the supply chain crisis,
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how serious it is. It's a national security issue. This is, this is what's happening. These people
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again and again, COVID is a national security issue. The fact that so much of our, the fact
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that the American economy is so deeply tied to China's, it's a national security issue. And the
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idea again, that our corporate and political establishment, the oligarchs have profited from
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this at the expense of American workers and the national security of the country. It's obscene.
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And let's be very, very straightforward about this, Lee. What is there to prevent,
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given our response to the death of more than 800,000 Americans as a result of COVID-19 or Wuhan
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virus, if, uh, uh, were to be more accurate, uh, what is to prevent them from saying, well,
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they did nothing. This is the equivalent of murder. They knew that they had released this,
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this virus on the world. They knew that they were doing nothing and only protecting themselves,
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which is the moral equivalent and my judgment of murder. And they were permitted to get away
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with it and have been throughout. As a matter of fact, uh, we have more apologists in our health,
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our public health agencies, uh, our federal public health agencies for what the Chinese have done.
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Uh, then we have, well, I won't even get into it. Well, I mean, you, you ask, I mean, we've,
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we've shown how we handle, how we handle a national security crisis like this, which is disastrous.
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Now all the world understands it. It's not only that we've not held, um, Beijing accountable. We
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haven't held our own officials accountable. Anthony Fauci since 9 11 has been building a biodefense
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empire. Hundreds of billions, maybe trillions of dollars have gone to this biodefense empire.
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In 20 years, Anthony Fauci has proven incapable after all that money has proven incapable
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of manufacturing a vaccine that is effective against a virus with a survival rate of over 99%.
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I mean, this is, this is obscene. And so again, the rest of the world looks and they see,
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what do they see? They see our officials. They see the president of the United States.
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They see public health officials, intelligence officials, state and local governments treating
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the American public like mutts. That's our response. That's our response to a crisis.
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So the problem is not just at home, what our officials are doing to the American people at home,
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but what the rest of the world is seeing how we respond to crisis where we're, we're in trouble.
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We're in trouble. We need serious, responsible leadership. Yeah. And it's, it is occurring to most
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Americans that now we've been in this pandemic for two years and we still don't have a unified
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early treatment program brought to us by the CDC or the NIH that is effective. If we did not have
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these so-called brilliant physicians and researchers who are speaking publicly, and they began by speaking
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publicly on social media, by the way, they snuck through the oligarchs wall to speak to the American
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people. We now know that there are early treatments, which by the way, include ivermectin, which actually
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do include hydroxychloroquine, irrespective of all of the protests. They do have a role in some,
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in many countries, actually. And we need to understand why we don't have a regimen that's
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publicly available. Do I gargle with a diluted mouthwash through my nasal passages to, you know,
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to clear my airway of a viral load? What exactly are we to do? We know about five vaccines and four
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booster shots. Right. And I, by the way, I'm, I have, my wife and I are vaccinated, boosters and
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everything else. But I respect the right of anyone to make a determination about that vaccine on their
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own because the answers are not in. And to say otherwise is silly. And we're not getting answers
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from our public health officials. I mean, this is a disaster that will last for generations.
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Uh, and the idea that, that we still, because, because there's such an enormous effort to cover
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up all manner of issues related to COVID-19, we still don't have answers to basic things that we
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need, not just treatment, early treatment, though, of course, this is important, but they're blocking
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that to, to, to protect pharmaceutical manufacturers. I mean, this is obscene. It's not, what, what,
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it's not just, where did COVID originate? It's like, what exactly does COVID do? Is it a respiratory
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disease? Why does it cause blood clots? Why does it appear to attack some people's, uh, cardiovascular
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system? These are all important questions that we would like to have answered. But instead we have
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public health officials who get on TV three, four times a day and lie to the American public. The idea
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that we can't, that we cannot trust our public health officials anymore. It's not just the FBI.
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It's not just, uh, it's not just the DOJ. Yeah. The first rule it's, it's the government, uh, you know,
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and they're not here to help you in many instances. I knew that we knew they weren't here to help us,
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but who, but who would have thought that they're, they're here to protect pharmaceutical companies
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and they don't care about the welfare of the American public or communist China or, uh,
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mayor Putin or what in the world, you know, it goes to the issue of the January six committee.
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What's its real purpose. It's real purpose is to distract Americans from the fact that Biden now
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has been in office, uh, his first year in office. He has more Americans that have died from COVID
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than did president Trump, who he excoriated on the campaign trail. He said he had a plan. Now he says
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it's, there is no federal solution. Like hell, there's not, it's part of the solution. It's just not
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all of the solution. And there has to be a full partnership in this federalist, uh, uh, system of, uh,
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government of ours, but this, the January six committee is designed to, to be a tool, a weapon
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in the midterm elections, in my opinion, uh, and to distract from all of the immense failures of
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this administration, which is the most inept in my career. There's no S there's no close second, not
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even Jimmy Carter came this close to utter ineptitude and, uh, the mockery of the oval office
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through his conduct, his speeches, his con his behavior in general. Oh yeah. Jimmy Carter looks
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like Jimmy Carter looks like Eisenhower in comparison. I mean, I mean, this is, you know,
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you know, looks, looks, looks like a hugely, looks like a hugely competent strategist. Um, yes, I, I,
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I think January 6th is meant to be a distraction. Uh, it's meant to be a circus, a performance,
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certainly a clown show. And it's also meant to, in a very serious and dangerous way, it's also meant
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to criminalize opposition to Joe Biden. I mean, that's how it started. Right. And that's what these
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judges are saying. They're, they're asking, they're asking them. I mean, it's a, you know,
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I, I shouldn't be laughing, but it's so absurd that as Americans, as Americans, we are living
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in this environment right now where federal judges are demanding that, uh, detainees denounce
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their support for Donald Trump and will refuse, uh, and can't watch cable television. I mean, this is,
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this is, I mean, that's clearly what it is criminalizing opposition to, to Joe Biden.
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And it's Soviet style justice. I mean, I, it is, this place is right now looking more
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like the Soviet union in 1990 and Russia is looking like they're trying to
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accelerate. So they look more like Soviet, the Soviet union than do we, uh, we are,
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we have the most oppressive government right now in our history, in my judgment, uh, that is a
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government committed to getting bigger. Uh, the January 6th is, uh, show Soviet show trials is
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what it seems they envision and imagine and, uh, are perpetrating. Uh, I, I don't see how this ends
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well for the Democrats because just like the two impeachment efforts by them, uh, against president
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Trump baseless fraudulent, uh, and they persisted the investigations before he was president, uh, that
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lasted, uh, into his, uh, early days of his first term, uh, 22 months of the special counsel, it goes
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on and on. And there is not so much as a parking ticket being waived by the always energetic Adam
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shift when it comes to investigations of innocent people. Right. Um, I, I, I agree. I think it's going
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to, I think it's not just going to rebound on the Democrats and the midterms. I think that there's
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going to be an enormous price to pay. I think we're starting to see cracks. I think that some of them are
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starting to get worried, especially on the state and local level. Some of them are starting to get
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worried for their political futures, which is good. I want them to worry there for their political
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futures, but I'm thinking more down line in terms of legal risk. Um, in terms of, in terms of, uh,
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civil action in terms of criminal action regarding what some of our public, what, what, what some of our
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public authorities have done to Americans during the course of the COVID regime. I mean, it's, it's the
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amount of pain they have inflicted on people is astonishing and the amount of pain they continue
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to inflict. So there is definitely going to be the first wave I think will be political. The second
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will look like something else. These, these people, right. They may rule with an idea that they're the
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Soviet union, but these are incredibly weak people. They're as dumb as Soviet officials, but they're much
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weaker, much weaker. And, uh, your good friend, Devin Nunes, uh, has a new job. Uh, are you going to be
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playing any part in that? Are you, are you, uh, I, I, I, I, yeah, I hope they give me a, a good tan handle
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to use on their social media platform. Um, I, yeah, one for me too. Yeah. Well, I'll, I'll, I'll just reserve
00:27:27.140
Lou. There you go. You don't have to go just be like, you know, one name like Pele or Madonna or
00:27:31.940
whatever. Um, all right. I, I, I think it's very important. I'm so excited about this. And a lot of
00:27:38.900
people I know have been a little, you know, a little disappointed that the Congressman, well,
00:27:42.980
that he left Congress. Um, is there word, they're worried about, well, what kind of spine do we have
00:27:48.580
now? What kind of spine does the American public have without someone like Devin Nunes standing up for
00:27:53.620
us in Congress? The, the communications architecture that the America first movement
00:28:01.060
that pro American Americans need is, is so important. We need to be able to communicate
00:28:07.260
with each other. We need, we need, um, to be able to receive information to create, um, to, to, uh,
00:28:16.500
create and disseminate information as well. So what he's doing that organization,
00:28:22.740
the Trump media and technology group, I believe that this will be the centerpiece
00:28:28.420
of pro America communications infrastructure. Uh, uh, Mr. Nunes wrote a book called countdown
00:28:36.900
to socialism, a short book published by encounter about a, about a year ago now,
00:28:41.700
which is really, really important. It shows what his ideas are about communications and the media.
00:28:47.860
And so that gives a really important insight into the kinds of things that he, uh, and his team over
00:28:53.540
there are, are, are going to be doing. I, it's really exciting. And I, I, again, when, when people
00:28:59.460
are a little down that he, that he left, uh, left the hill, I'm like, Oh no, this is great. What he's
00:29:04.020
doing. It's, it's a real leadership position. And in so far as we're looking at this right now,
00:29:09.540
in terms of a cold conflict, I mean, he's right now, I mean, he he's right now, one of the top
00:29:15.140
generals. So it's, it's really great. And I hope, I hope your audience is as excited as I am about it.
00:29:21.060
Well, uh, I speak for myself for certainly, I never speak for the, for this audience, but, uh, I,
00:29:28.100
I only talked about what, you know, I'm going to do. I've never told anybody else what to do.
00:29:32.100
Uh, but I am, you know, I, what I worry about is the tea party at its height in 2010, tried to do
00:29:41.060
the same thing and was, they were crushed by the Dems, the left-wing media. And I fear the, you know,
00:29:48.580
I fear, uh, that some may be, uh, underestimating, uh, the power of the Dems to do the same thing right
00:29:55.300
now, uh, particularly since they're even deep, more deeply aligned with the, uh, uh, big tech and social
00:30:01.940
media, but, uh, let's give them hell and make certain that, uh, this thing succeeds. Uh, I want to,
00:30:10.500
Julie Kelly has a new book out and on, uh, January 6th, and we're going to be talking with her here
00:30:18.420
next on the great show. How great. Yeah. If you could give, uh, your thoughts just real quickly on,
00:30:25.060
uh, on that, uh, as we wrap up. Yeah. Well, Julie kindly, I mean, it's a huge honor. Julie asked me to
00:30:31.700
write a forward for that great book. Um, and I, uh, you know, I mean, my case is this is a, a, a,
00:30:38.900
a very, very important piece of reporting. Um, but it's also, I mean, it's also, uh, one of the early
00:30:45.700
entries into, I guess, if you're talking about the Soviets, what we might call American son is that,
00:30:51.380
right. This is, this is, this is opposition, Julie, and the people that she interviewed,
00:30:56.980
the people that she's working with, the people that she speaks for. I mean, Julie is, is, is a
00:31:01.780
dissident, you know? And I think that, I think that's a fair way to describe the work that a lot
00:31:06.100
of us, that, that a lot of people are doing on this side. I think that's, I think that's what
00:31:10.180
you're doing, Lou. You're, you're, you're getting out there and you're saying that these are important
00:31:14.580
things that people need to know, and we're going to push through the noise and we're going to keep
00:31:18.580
telling, we're going to keep telling people this no matter how much they try to shut us up,
00:31:22.660
silence us, curse us, whatever. So yeah, Julie's book, I can't speak highly enough about Julie or,
00:31:28.660
um, or this, or this book. And I hope people go out and get it. Cause I, I, I find all the time,
00:31:33.860
like wet, well-meaning people surprisingly, like well-meaning people, not insane leftists. Um,
00:31:39.700
not people who are, you know, committed to worshiping at the altar of, uh, Barack Obama and Joe Biden,
00:31:45.460
but well-meaning people, they do not know what happened on January 6th. All they get is this garbage
00:31:50.660
narrative. Julie's book cuts through all that. And so I, again, I hope that, that people will
00:31:57.220
spread that book around. So people understand what happened on January 6th and, and it's aftermath,
00:32:03.380
the way that the justice department, the way that Merrick Garland and the way that Christopher Ray
00:32:09.100
have gone after people for protesting. Look, the people on January 6th who broke the law,
00:32:16.820
whether they, whether it was a felony or a misdemeanor, they should be prosecuted like
00:32:21.700
Americans. That's what happens. If you're an American, you have to follow the up to obey the
00:32:26.420
law. And if you don't, you're charged, but these aren't domestic terrorists. These are Americans.
00:32:33.460
And they're also, are not the greatest threat facing the United States as, uh, some of our geniuses
00:32:38.580
in Washington on the left. Absolutely not. Yes, absolutely not. Lee Smith, always great talking with
00:32:45.300
you. We thank you so much. Uh, thank you, Lou. Thanks so much. Look forward to our next
00:32:49.780
conversation soon. I do too. Thank you so much again. I really appreciate it. And I'm a great
00:32:54.660
new year. You too. Thank you. Lee Smith, a great American. We're going to be talking with Julie
00:33:00.740
Kelly here next, uh, about her important new book. Stay with us as the great America show continues.
00:33:08.420
Julie Kelly and January six next. And now please welcome to the great America show. The author of
00:33:16.740
the brand new book, January six, how Democrats use the Capitol protest to launch a war of terror
00:33:25.060
against the political right. The book is available right now on Amazon. We recommend the book to you
00:33:32.580
highly and delighted to welcome Julie Kelly. Uh, we're, we're thrilled to have you with us,
00:33:38.420
Julie and, uh, uh, proud of your accomplishment. Congratulations on the new book. Well, Lou,
00:33:45.060
thank you so much for having me on. I've been a long time fan of yours. My family was always
00:33:50.100
enjoyed watching you. So this is, uh, quite a treat to be joining you today. Thank you so much.
00:33:55.140
Well, thank you. And the Democrat party has become, well, I think for most of us,
00:34:01.300
it's become something unrecognizable to, to most Americans. The, the radical Dems vicious
00:34:07.620
campaigns against just basically fundamental American values against the, in fact, the American
00:34:14.340
way and their politics, a personal destruction. It's playing out with this January six committee.
00:34:21.460
Again, is, is the January six committee, just an extension of everything the radical Dems have
00:34:27.300
been doing and tried to do to president Trump. It absolutely is. I mean, this is just the latest
00:34:34.740
iteration of crossfire hurricane, uh, the Robert Mueller special council, the first impeachment,
00:34:41.620
the second impeachment. So this is just their way of continuing to trying to succeed where they have
00:34:49.460
failed over the last almost six months, uh, six years now. And that is weaponizing the administrative
00:34:55.700
state, especially national security state and Congress against the president, his family, his
00:35:02.100
supporters, his allies in Congress, his administration. So they're desperately trying to
00:35:08.660
get finally what they want, uh, which is criminal charges against Donald Trump, uh, before they lose
00:35:15.140
control of Congress at the end of this year as expected. Is it your expectation that no matter what
00:35:22.260
they will somehow bring some formal criminal charge against the former president?
00:35:27.620
I do Lou. I think what they will end up with is, uh, referring to the justice department,
00:35:36.980
a criminal charge of obstruction of an official proceeding. This is 1512 C2. This is one of Andrew
00:35:44.580
Weissman, uh, Robert Mueller's, uh, uh, dogged, uh, prosecutor. This was the obstruction charge that he
00:35:52.980
wanted, uh, used against Trump for attempting to obstruct the Mueller investigation that didn't go
00:35:58.580
anywhere. Um, but it sounds like this is the same obstruction charge that they want to refer to Joe Biden's
00:36:06.100
DOJ, uh, to charge Trump with this felony. It's punishable by up to 12, 20 years in prison,
00:36:12.900
more than 220 January 6th defendants now face this obstruction charge. So it sounds like
00:36:19.300
that is what will come out of this committee is a criminal referral to DOJ obstruction of an
00:36:24.740
official proceeding felony against the president. All right. Well, I, I, what you're saying makes
00:36:32.020
perfect sense in, in that it is absolutely aligned with everything that the, the radical
00:36:37.780
Dems have done previously, uh, that is to create construct charges and allegations that suit their
00:36:46.260
purpose. It would, there would have to be a direct causal relationship though, uh, between the former
00:36:52.820
president and the riots that took place on Capitol Hill in inside the Capitol, would there not?
00:37:00.660
Well, they will. And I'll tell you, Lou, it's, and I detailed this charge in my book and I talk about
00:37:06.820
its origins, this obstruction of an official proceeding, which was a law that was, uh, a statute
00:37:12.180
that was signed into law after the Enron investigation. So this was really to stop people from
00:37:19.060
tampering with congressional proceedings or investigations. This was never intended. And George
00:37:25.380
W. Bush said this when he signed it into law, this was never intended to be used against political
00:37:31.940
protesters or political activists. Just think Lou over the past 20 years, since this was signed into
00:37:38.180
law, especially during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings, how many thousands of Americans could be
00:37:44.900
charged with this obstruction felony, go to jail for years because they shut down a hearing or they shut
00:37:50.820
down some official business in Congress. So this is the first time that prosecutors, right. And this is
00:37:58.420
the first time the prosecutors are attempting to use it against political protesters, including
00:38:04.260
many of whom committed no violent crime that day. But I, and I, and it has been questioned. There are several
00:38:10.340
defense motions to dismiss this count. You have judges now who are refusing to dismiss it, who seem to be
00:38:17.060
legitimizing it because they know that the committee is going to refer this obstruction charge to DOJ to
00:38:22.180
prosecute the former president. Um, but I'm not sure how it's going to stand up against a jury. Um, because
00:38:29.300
what official proceeding did Donald Trump actually interfere with that timeline does not, um, support
00:38:37.780
what prosecutors are trying to argue. Yeah. And again, there's also just the issue of executive privilege
00:38:45.380
here. Is there not, uh, they're treating, uh, the former president as if he were, were not president,
00:38:54.420
uh, you know, for the past six years. I mean, what they've done to a sitting president for those four
00:39:00.580
years is objectionable enough, but to go after him, uh, for the January 6th proceeding, uh, as if he
00:39:09.540
somehow had organized and, uh, led, uh, a riot with the purpose of disrupting that, uh, uh,
00:39:18.580
that meeting, uh, you know, to me, it's just, it's fanciful, but what is your take?
00:39:24.900
Oh, I totally, I completely agree. But as you know, Lou, the Democrats, and we're talking about
00:39:29.780
millions of Democrats across the country, they are just so frustrated that Donald Trump has not been
00:39:36.980
charged with any criminal conduct. These are people who really thought he'd be hauled out of
00:39:41.220
the white house and cuffs by Robert Mueller, accused and found guilty of colluding with the
00:39:46.420
Kremlin to win the 2016 election. Uh, they thought, you know, he would be impeached and removed, uh,
00:39:52.500
from office, uh, during the first impeachment, they've fallen for every little trap that the
00:39:57.940
Democrats have set. So now they only have a, you know, what a few more months to try to make all
00:40:04.180
these Democrats dreams come true. And that is to charge Donald Trump with obstruction,
00:40:09.140
not insurrection, not any of the hyperbole that we've been told, sedition, treason, um,
00:40:16.180
all sorts of outlandish accusations. So they're, they're finally going to try to nail him on an
00:40:20.820
obstruction charge. But again, I, the timeline of that day, uh, is not in favor of prosecutors.
00:40:26.820
What official proceeding did he obstruct, um, this joint session of Congress, uh, uh, recessed by
00:40:35.860
two 15 that day. So I'm not really sure what his people who had been at his speech, what they
00:40:42.340
interrupted. It, it just doesn't make any logical sense, but of course, you know, it doesn't have to.
00:40:46.580
Yeah. Logic and law are irrelevant to the Democrats. Uh, and, uh, and the dims themselves,
00:40:55.940
their politics of personal destruction, focusing on Donald Trump. Does it not occur to, to even, uh,
00:41:04.580
partisan Democrats that this is a man who's been investigated every year of his presidency months
00:41:11.940
before he became president. And now since he left the, uh, his office and they've never gotten
00:41:19.940
anything, I mean, nothing. And these are people trying very, very hard to, and they're, by the way,
00:41:27.860
perfectly capable of conjuring up all sorts of obscenities and absurd, uh, allegations. And by the
00:41:35.380
way, then trying to convince, I guess, people that some element would be true. None of it has been
00:41:41.300
successful. How many people in the United States could, could withstand four or five years of
00:41:50.900
investigations by professional, hardcore Department of Justice investigators and come out of it
00:41:58.340
without even a parking ticket or warrant? Well, and I think Lou, we can sort of laugh at it because
00:42:05.300
even though Donald Trump and his family had to go through this, I mean, he has had the entire
00:42:11.220
legal, judicial, national security, intelligence state after him for more than six years. And to
00:42:19.060
your point, they can't even come up with a, you know, a moving violation against him. This is infuriating
00:42:24.820
to their voters and their base. And so the idea that Democrats will lose control of the house this year,
00:42:31.940
and all of their chances now to, uh, put Donald Trump in prison will be gone. And this will be a huge
00:42:39.380
black mark against them. But, um, you know, to that extent, I guess you have to be a little bit
00:42:44.100
amused watching this whole circus unfold yet again. Yeah. What is it? The expression is, uh, once you
00:42:50.980
cross the penumbra of the absurd, there's nothing to do, but laugh and this, we have crossed that, uh, that
00:42:59.940
line, uh, the democratic party is, uh, is really an ugly obscene operation by any standard. And they
00:43:10.740
have not in any way been held accountable, uh, whether it is their law firm, uh, their principal
00:43:16.660
law firms, uh, Mark Elias, uh, and his campaign to, to make illegal balloting, uh, permissible, uh,
00:43:25.700
is sort of a rear guard action against further responsibility. When will the Democrats be held
00:43:32.580
accountable? Because we had the Paul Ryan house of representatives that he refused to, to issue a
00:43:39.300
subpoena to anyone. Uh, he is typical of the Mitch McConnell's, the John Thune's. I mean, John Thune now
00:43:46.340
is talking about succeeding Mitch McConnell for crying out loud. Oh, I mean, I mean, you talk about the
00:43:52.500
walking zombies. Uh, they are precisely what the Republican party does not need. And the American
00:43:58.900
people don't need your thoughts. Lou, you are a hundred percent right. And I think you have these
00:44:05.460
two clashing constituencies. You have the Democrats who are desperate, this blood lust that they have
00:44:11.700
for Trump and his voters, but you also have Trump millions, tens of millions of Trump voters are just
00:44:17.620
Republicans who are sick and tired of watching Democrats get away with this sort of behavior.
00:44:24.340
And it's not just elected politicians. You go down the list from James Comey to John Brennan,
00:44:30.740
Jim Clapper, Andy McCabe, who was spouting off last week, calling Trump supporters, domestic terrorists.
00:44:36.900
I mean, you go through the entire list of people who have gotten away with what really is criminal
00:44:43.620
conspiracy behavior against the president and really against the United States. And here they are
00:44:49.140
getting book deals and they're getting speeches and they're writing, uh, you know, they're, they're
00:44:53.860
so they're, they're celebrated in the media and democratic party. And so Lou, what message does that
00:45:00.180
send? Of course, this was the natural trajectory when no one gets punished for what they have done,
00:45:07.060
wielding powerful government tools and authority against a sitting president, his family members,
00:45:14.260
and now against hundreds of Americans who are being, uh, having their lives destroyed by this
00:45:19.460
justice department for trespassing at the Capitol for 10 minutes. Um, this is really scary territory.
00:45:25.700
And I will tell you, Lou, Republicans are more disgusted with our own leadership for going along
00:45:30.900
with this and not saying one word as this regime systematically destroys everything that we value in
00:45:37.700
our constitution and in our country. And we are not going to stand by and let Mitch McConnell
00:45:43.460
or Kevin McCarthy or anyone else play along with the left, like they have been doing. We want to take
00:45:50.020
the house and the Senate and we want to turn these tools and get and turn the tables on the Democrats for
00:45:56.980
what they've put us through over the past, what'll be six years really in the Trump era.
00:46:02.020
Well, I, I think you're exactly right. I, my, my problem is I don't see the Republican Party
00:46:11.140
at its, uh, in its uppermost leadership, whether it's Ronna McDaniel at the RNC, whether it's Mitch
00:46:18.500
McConnell or Kevin McCarthy, Kevin McCarthy put out this, uh, basic little video talking about how tough he was
00:46:25.620
going to be when he's elected speaker of the house. And if he's elected speaker of the house,
00:46:31.860
it's almost the same thing as if, uh, the Democrats had won, uh, the leadership of the house
00:46:37.460
through a Republican victory. It is insane. Uh, and he says not a word about January 6th. He says not a
00:46:45.780
word about the persecution of a president, a Republican president for six years. Uh, as you point out,
00:46:51.940
it is a sixth year of it, uh, it's disgusting. And they are in C there've been calls for audits.
00:46:59.940
I think there ought to be audits for the whole shooting match. Let's find out what's going on.
00:47:04.980
And as I said, John Thune to replace Mitch McConnell. Oh Lord. I mean, there isn't a pulse
00:47:10.980
between them. No, it's, it's disgusting. And Ronna McDaniel, a lovely woman, terrific person, uh,
00:47:18.820
but, uh, awful leader of the Republican party because she lost, she lost, and there's no
00:47:25.860
accountability within the, and I understand that president Trump, uh, is there, but that's got to
00:47:37.300
end. It's just got to end. But look, uh, let's be honest. President Trump continues to hang out
00:47:46.100
with Kevin McCarthy. I mean, he continues to bolster him as some sort of leader in the Republican
00:47:51.780
party. Donald Trump needs to cut ties with Kevin McCarthy. He needs to stand with Republican
00:47:57.780
lawmakers. And there are a handful who are ready to get rid of him as house leader. If they take over
00:48:03.140
the house, they don't want him as speaker. Um, we have to hold Senate Republican Senate candidates.
00:48:09.220
We have to make sure that they sign on and say, not only will we not elect Mitch McConnell again,
00:48:13.940
as, as our leader, we will not replace him with John Thune or anyone else who has the same milk toasty
00:48:20.820
play footsie with the left, but just has what a younger, nicer looking face than Mitch McConnell.
00:48:25.860
No, we, there's no time for that. Democrats have been at war with us. We have been flat footed,
00:48:31.380
if not complicit. And it's time for us to start battling back. And these are not the generals
00:48:36.100
that we need to have at the front of the line. So in your view is you assess this, uh,
00:48:44.660
who are the, and I know this goes well beyond your book, but I want to, to ask you nonetheless,
00:48:52.180
who do you see? Are there any obvious choices as new generals, younger generals that could be put in
00:48:59.220
place in the Republican party? Because we really only have till the midterm elections. Uh, well,
00:49:04.820
we don't have till then we have to begin now, uh, and begin the changes with the midterm elections,
00:49:11.140
not wait till 2024. Well, look, I, I do talk about this a little bit in my book and I talk about the
00:49:18.420
handful. And when I mean handful, I mean, less than 10. So two handfuls of Republican, uh,
00:49:24.340
House members who have spoken out against the political prisoners, the capture and
00:49:29.700
detainment of political prisoners in Washington, DC, who've spoken out about, about this abusive
00:49:36.260
investigation. And these are people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar, Louie Gohmert,
00:49:42.020
Matt Getz, Andy Biggs. There are less than, like I said, about 10 or 12 of them. They understand what's
00:49:49.300
at stake. You might not like their approach. You might buy in. Actually, I do like their approach.
00:49:54.340
I do too. I do too. I become, I have become a huge fan of Marjorie Taylor Greene. And now I know why
00:50:00.420
they went after her so early and so hard because they knew she was a force to be reckoned with. She
00:50:05.460
is fearless. She will go up against her, our own party leadership, as well as the Democrats. She gets
00:50:11.220
what's at stake. Matt Getz, all of the, the other congressmen I said, understand. So we have those
00:50:17.940
people in the House. They are also, I think, bringing some of their colleagues along who are
00:50:23.860
not only maybe don't want to wake up to it, but are being pushed by their own constituents to wake up.
00:50:33.460
Yeah. So, so there's a, there's a handful, if you put it, but I'm talking about broadly in the
00:50:41.540
Republican Party. I mean, for the House, I would, I would endorse, frankly, any one of the names that
00:50:47.780
that you mentioned, and, and, and a few more. I think Jim Jordan comes to mind, certainly is one
00:50:56.420
of the toughest, smartest guys out there who can, who can, I think, quickly lead. But I'll, I mean,
00:51:04.500
I'll take anybody, but just don't give us another rhino in charge of a Republican Party that is no
00:51:10.500
longer standing for conservative values, American ideals. I mean, they're operating like a,
00:51:18.340
a subchapter of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, for crying out loud.
00:51:23.540
That's exactly right. And I do think there are leaders outside of D.C. where we have to look,
00:51:27.780
obviously, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, I think Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.
00:51:33.540
There are some other people in these states and state leadership positions who are fighting the
00:51:39.460
real battles where it counts. But that, that doesn't take away that we still need fighters
00:51:45.460
in Washington, D.C., because that's where all the action is right now. And that's where we need some
00:51:52.740
So, so returning to the work of the committee, a committee that has
00:52:02.420
Kenzinger and, and Cheney as the representing the rhino,
00:52:08.580
Marxist wing of the Republican Party, I suppose. It's, it's not bipartisan. It is clearly just partisan.
00:52:16.980
What can, what can the Republican Party do to stop this nonsense right now? I mean, shut it down. And
00:52:26.020
why on earth should there not be an accounting for McCarthy and for Mitch McConnell going along with
00:52:36.820
this nonsense? Unfortunately, I don't think there's a lot Republicans can do right now. Now,
00:52:43.620
they could be making more noise about what the committee is covering up. Let's talk about a
00:52:48.900
little bit. They say that this is a truth finding fact finding mission. Okay. We'll then force the
00:52:54.820
committee to release the 14,000 hours of surveillance video that security cap cameras captured on January
00:53:01.780
6th inside and outside the Capitol complex that DOJ and Capitol Police have under strict protective
00:53:08.580
orders. If we want the truth about that day, let the American people see all the video and what
00:53:14.340
transpired that day. They have now designated it highly sensitive government information. So basically
00:53:20.980
classified information that we paid for that we need to see. Why are they covering that up?
00:53:27.060
Why won't they discuss the role of the FBI? Why aren't they investigating people like Ray Epps,
00:53:32.820
the man seen on the fifth and sixth, encouraging people to go into the building? Why aren't they
00:53:37.540
investigating someone like Stuart Rhodes, who is the founder of the Oath Keepers in person one,
00:53:42.980
the unindicted still a year later co-conspirator in the 20 plus defendant Oath Keepers case,
00:53:50.420
he still has not even been charged with trespassing. Who were all the FBI hundreds of FBI assets we now
00:53:57.940
know deployed to the Capitol that day? Who were they? Why were they not identified as FBI or ATF or SWAT
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team members or hostage rescue team? How were they dressed? What did they do with the crowd? We now know,
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thanks to Newsweek's reporting, that contrary to what we've been told, there were at least a half dozen
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elite FBI teams stationed at Quantico the weekend before January 6th, preparing for some kind of horrific
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event that day. Well, no one has been told that. So let's get acting attorney Jeffrey Rosen in front
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of this committee in public and talk about what he did with the FBI before and during January 6th.
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So why do they keep covering up obfuscating so many elements of what happened that day? Let's see all of
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Nancy Pelosi's communications. Why is she refusing to release any of her emails or communications to this
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committee or to Republicans who are requesting it? What is she trying to hide? Why did she
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she and Muriel Bowser repeatedly deny offers of additional security that day? What did Capitol
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Police and DC Metro, what were they told to do? I talk about this a lot in my book, how DC Metro and
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Capitol Police are the ones who started attacking protesters that day. Peaceful, legitimately peaceful
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protesters, throwing flashbangs, rubber bullets, deploying tear gas and pepper balls into the crowd
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of people doing nothing wrong to provoke and incite that crowd. So these are the big things that this
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committee is covering up. Meanwhile, they want, you know, Donald Trump's emails from April of 2020.
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So if Republicans were smart, which they're not, that is how they should be countering this committee's
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activity every single day. Of course, they would never have that opportunity to ask that question
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in that hearing. Because Pelosi would make certain they didn't, most likely wouldn't even get into the
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hearing room. But why should, two things keep bothering me right now. One is, where is the Republican
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Party? And why has it not been funding legal assistance for all of the people being held in
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and many, if not most of them held without real due process? Some not charge for for ages.
00:56:16.500
There are only, I understand now 40 to 50 people being held in various locations, not all of them in
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the DC jail. But why in the world didn't the Republican Party do something to help these people
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and to and to just simply do the right thing? And secondly, why is it the Republican Party creating
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a committee right now to run hearings? It doesn't have to be an official proceeding to the US Congress.
00:56:44.260
It could be the Republican Party investigation of January 6. And the, and by the way, make it an
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investigation of the investigators. Because one thing we've learned over six years is that the
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investigators break a lot more laws than the people they investigate.
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So, you know, it seems to me to be an approach that my good friend Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy
00:57:12.180
I love the idea. I think that there are a few Republicans, the ones that I mentioned,
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who were toying with that idea. I'm sure that Kevin McCarthy, if he caught wind of it,
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put an immediate kibosh on that idea. But you're right. Why aren't they holding other hearings separate
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to what official congressional business and the select committee? They should be talking about
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not just the FBI's role, but these horrific FBI raids that I talk about in my book, people who have,
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I mean, that's one big thing, the investigation, what the charges are, what did Democrats do before
00:57:48.820
and during January 6th? Where are the Republicans countering this, holding their own hearings,
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holding their own press briefings, demanding that the media report certain aspects of this,
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that they're not to the extent that they can. They're just, I think, Lou, a lot of Republicans
00:58:05.780
went along early with the insurrection narrative, and they don't want to look like they're defending any
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of these people. But these people deserve defending. They are, their lives are being destroyed by this
00:58:19.140
powerful Biden regime, and they deserve being defended. You know, very simply, as one wag put it
00:58:28.180
on social media, do you really think that the country is going to be taken over by a guy with paint
00:58:36.740
on his face wearing a Viking helmet? Is that what you really think? This is so many levels.
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Could he do a much worse job, Jacob Chansley? Could he do a worse job than what we've got in
00:58:50.180
Washington right now? I put my chips on Jacob Chansley any day. I've listened to him. I've listened
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to him in court. He's far smarter and more articulate than Kevin McCarthy is, I'll tell you that.
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Well, you know, everybody may get that opportunity. We'll soon see.
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Julie, thanks so much for being with us. I hope you'll come back soon.
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We wish you all of the best with your terrific new book, January 6,
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How Democrats Use the Capitol Protest to Launch a War of Terror Against the Political Right.
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available right now on Amazon. We recommend it to you highly. Julie, great talking to you. I wish
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all the very best in your in your quest to defeat the ignorance of the of the Marxist left in this
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country. We will cheer you on. Thanks so much. Thank you. Well, thanks for having me on. And thanks
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for helping me. I really appreciate it. You got a deal, Julie. Thanks so much. Julie Kelly. And again,
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the book, January 6, it's on Amazon right now. I want to tell you, we've got a number of people,
01:00:02.100
including a Marjorie Taylor Greene, who will be joining us here on The Great America Show over the
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next week. We also I should update you on this. I just got off the phone with with what would we call
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it? The Southern White House Mar-a-Lago talking with President Trump briefly, and he will be joining us
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here on The Great America Show next week. We'll keep you posted on that. We're going to be talking for
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some extended period of time about what is on his mind, all of the projects that he has underway,
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including his own social media platform. It's a very exciting time for him. It's an exciting time for
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the country when we when we realize that we have permitted a private company to shut down the
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voice of a sitting president and and a former president at the same time. It's just outrageous,
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but we'll have his thinking, his voice. And boy, do we need that voice in this country. Right.
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President Trump to join us here on The Great America Show. We thank you for being with us. Please
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join us next time. Until then. Thanks so much and be well. Join us again tomorrow for The Great
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