The Republican Party is divided over who will be the next House Speaker, and the establishment media is covering it as a coronation. But there is much more to it than that. Our guest today is a farmer, a businessman, a Republican politician who has battled the Swamp, the deep state, and Marxist Democrats. He s also been their target through much of his distinguished career in Washington.
00:00:00.180Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. The Republican divide, and to this point, impasse in the election of a Speaker of the House goes on.
00:00:11.120Votes and more votes, and it's about more than the speakership.
00:00:15.960But you wouldn't know that if you consume all that corporate media covering this story.
00:00:20.640If you ever doubted that the news media in this country is absolutely controlled and driven by the corporate globalist and Marxist-Dem party, you are likely doubt-free now.
00:00:32.480To read, see, and hear the corporatist media, the establishment Marxist media tell it, this contest for the speakership looks to the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel, as an affront to unity.
00:00:45.900That there should be a coronation rather than a competitive contest to be speaker, she says.
00:00:52.600And of course, she faces an election herself to be chair of the RNC at the end of this month.
00:00:59.880Suddenly, she has competition for the Post, Harmeet Dillon running against her to bring new ideas and hopefully success rather than failure to the RNC.
00:01:09.120And then there's good old Karl Rove, establishment Paul.
00:01:13.380He says the contest is an utter disaster.
00:01:16.760It's chaos, he says, even though it's been a civil and educational process, I think, so far.
00:01:30.180But the globalist establishment and rhino wing of the party is spitting mad.
00:01:34.960Their hair is a fire over the rising number of Republicans who aren't following the script, who aren't following the orders of donors in K Street.
00:01:44.160God forbid they're actually thinking for themselves and representing their constituents instead of Wall Street, corporatists and the party establishment.
00:01:53.160My goodness, we can't have that, can we?
00:01:55.880Well, luckily, we have some great Americans right now saying, yes, we can.
00:02:01.500It's likely, very likely, that Kevin McCarthy will end up Speaker of the House.
00:02:06.700But the group of reformers, 20 of them, are standing fast trying to change the rules and take away a lot of the powers of the Speaker, no matter who wins the job.
00:02:18.620And that's a great outcome for the country and the voters who sent this Congress to Washington.
00:02:25.140And it's more than time for a change of atmosphere in Washington, don't you think?
00:02:29.620The stench of corruption is everywhere.
00:02:33.400And no wonder it's called the swamp when Congress and the Senate can pass a $1.7 trillion spending bill and no one has read it without an amendment, without having any idea of what its impact will be on our economy and society.
00:02:48.620And then there's the political corruption of the federal government itself.
00:02:55.720An executive bureaucracy that has been weaponized by the Marxist Dems against our citizens, answering to no one other than the Marxist Dems who run the Democrat Party and this puppet president.
00:03:06.960An FBI and Department of Justice that refuses to respond, to answer to congressional oversight that tramples the Constitution, violates the law and rights of citizens, principally Republican citizens, by the way.
00:03:28.780He's a farmer, a Republican politician who's battled the swamp, the deep state, and yes, the Marxist Dems.
00:03:35.080He's also been their target through much of his distinguished career in Washington.
00:03:40.300Our guest today is the chief executive officer of the Trump Media and Technology Group, which, of course, includes Truth Social.
00:03:47.760And he served in Congress for 10 years as ranking Republican on two powerful committees, the House Intelligence Committee, where he also served as chairman, and the Ways and Means Committee.
00:03:59.160Devin, welcome to The Great America Show.
00:04:01.340Delighted to have you with us, and Happy New Year.
00:04:03.900Lou, it's always a pleasure to be with you, and happy to be with you, too.
00:04:08.040Let's begin with the Republican contest for Speaker of the House and the establishment media that's so upset, for some reason, about a great story that's unfolding before our eyes.
00:04:19.960They're having conniptions over the Republican contest for Speaker instead of what was supposed to be a coronation for Kevin McCarthy.
00:04:27.920Well, they also promote it, too, right?
00:04:31.900So their ratings continue to collapse as the media industrial complex continues to, for lack of a better term, Lou, it's balkanizing, right?
00:04:42.360So many people now are tuning into Lou Dobbs podcast, for example, right?
00:04:47.660And, you know, where before you had a couple cable networks and a couple talk radio channels and, you know, kind of the big NBC, ABC, CBS.
00:05:00.520And then you really then Fox News comes on.
00:05:04.360And then now with the advent of social media, with the Facebooks of the world, Instagrams, TikTok, Twitter, you know, it changed everything, everything there.
00:05:14.580And then I think after Trump came along, he kind of ripped the band-aid off and really exposed the fake news, working with these tech giants.
00:05:24.880And now we're in a position where so many people are just – there's so many venues now to receive your news and information.
00:05:35.840And I think the, you know, the fake news in Washington, D.C. doesn't – I don't think they've – they understand that yet.
00:05:43.900And I think even some of my former colleagues don't quite understand that, to be honest with you, Lou.
00:05:48.180I mean, I just – you know, back in 17, you know, when they went after me with the Russia hoax nonsense, you know, when I was exposing their corruption, they just, you know, finally –
00:05:59.440And the first to do so, if I may enter – I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I've just got to say this for the audience's benefit.
00:06:07.020If you don't know, Devin Nunes was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
00:06:13.300He and his committee put together the answers to all the questions that we've been asking for the past – well, President Trump's been persecuted politically by the Marxist dibs for over six years in the deep state.
00:06:28.200He had the answers and did the most incredible work in the face of the most vile aggression on the part of the deep state against any one man or any one group of people, but particularly against Devin Nunes and his chief investigator, Kash Patel.
00:06:50.200Well, you know, the country owes you a great debt, and I just wanted to be clear what your role was then and the service that you were providing the nation.
00:07:02.500And sadly, we're still in that same war.
00:07:06.240And I always kind of sum this up, you know, very simply.
00:07:09.980As in 17, you know, I learned this, and I said, okay, you know, any of these vultures that are just running around D.C. in the swamp or in New York that work for the media industrial complex,
00:07:23.220if you don't understand that these are operatives of the Democratic National Committee and all the big billionaires that support them, the socialist movement in this country,
00:07:34.680if you don't understand that, you have a long way to go.
00:07:38.780And I think that's really what we're seeing in Washington right now, you know, with still with Republicans.
00:07:57.900My former colleagues across all the spectrums, many of them still fall for this.
00:08:03.180They think, well, just because, you know, the New York Times calls them, you know, they need to give them an answer, not realizing that, you know, look,
00:08:11.980all you're doing essentially is the Democratic Party pushed out their narrative.
00:08:17.580The New York Times picks up the big ones.
00:08:31.820I mean, I would stand up starting in 2017, and I still do it today when I talk to my now former colleagues.
00:08:38.500I say, guys, would you walk across the street, go meet with the Democratic National Committee's top lawyers, and be interviewed for an interview?
00:08:48.420And, of course, they would say, well, no, of course not.
00:08:52.200When you walk out of this door right now inside the Capitol, those people are taking orders directly from the Democrats.
00:08:58.200And they do it time and time and time and time again.
00:09:02.220So the media there acts as the intelligence arm for the Democratic Party.
00:09:08.540Social media acts as the intelligence arm and propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.
00:09:15.120And if you don't understand that relationship, along with the big corporations in this country, the publicly traded companies, the big money management companies, and the bureaucracies most, I think, concerning, including the Department of Justice and the FBI,
00:09:34.360if you don't understand those basics, that that's one team, and if you don't know that that's the socialist team, and you haven't figured that out yet,
00:09:45.320and I think that's the problem that many of my former colleagues still have to this day, they still don't understand that.
00:09:52.020They still want to think, well, you know, maybe Trump had something to do with Russia.
00:10:13.780And I think that's the frustrating part right now that I have.
00:10:16.540And, you know, I left Congress because I could see what Facebook and Twitter and everything were doing to create true social,
00:10:22.200you know, working right alongside of Rumble to essentially open the Internet back up and have a totally separate way for people to have,
00:10:30.940the American people to have their voice, because nowadays it wasn't just enough.
00:10:35.920I'll kind of just, you know, just kind of sum it up with this, Lou.
00:10:38.800So, you know, after the 2016 election, they realized that that Trump won because largely because of Facebook and not not because of Russian influence or Russian ads or all that nonsense that you heard.
00:10:52.540It was because Trump just used the platform and he would go out and hold these rallies in northern Wisconsin.
00:10:58.20015,000 people would show up to the rally and 150,000 people would be watching it live.
00:11:03.260And he did this over and over and over again for, you know, the better part of, I don't know, six, seven months leading up to the 16 election.
00:11:11.420After the 16 election, that's when Obama and company put their thumb on the scales.
00:11:16.440And then that's why in 2020, Zuckerberg throws in 400 and something million dollars.
00:11:21.840It's never been accounted for that went to the swing states.
00:11:24.920So, you know, that's I think that's kind of the state of affairs right now.
00:11:28.120And and I just think if you don't, if you're a Republican today, you know, here we stand in 2023 and you don't understand the basic concept of the radical left, big media, big government, DOJ, big tech.
00:11:55.520I would I would I would put in that group as well.
00:11:59.600You know, you know, that's a wonderful way to begin the conversation, I have to say, because as the CEO of Truth Social, I want to say, first of all, you created a great, great product and service.
00:12:11.560It does stand for the brand, the trade style truth.
00:12:18.060It is it is it is a terrific social media platform and you've delivered exactly what you and Donald Trump said that you would deliver.
00:12:29.620And it's a competitive and it's a competitive and crazy world out there right now.
00:12:38.020Twitter, he spent what was it, forty four billion dollars for the for the platform.
00:12:46.100He says Twitter is basically a crime scene.
00:12:50.100And we know that had a lot to do in point of fact with the election of twenty twenty.
00:12:57.100We know it had a lot to do with the suppression of important news and facts about the Biden crime family.
00:13:05.980We know that Twitter and I have to give I have to give Elon Musk credit.
00:13:13.360He is absolutely turning over every rock, throwing the dirty laundry out in front of the public and being as transparent, more transparent than I ever imagined he would be.
00:13:26.660And of course, part of that is I never dreamed, even though I thought that it was a corrupt, politically corrupt platform, I never dreamed the extent to which it was cooperating and following the direct orders of the FBI and the Department of Justice.
00:15:07.860It's just it's just you can only imagine how bad it is there.
00:15:12.100And and, you know, this is the problem is that, you know, Twitter, as Elon Musk found out, it's not not your average Americans just not on Twitter.
00:15:20.580It's a it's a it's a great news and information site when it's not being censored.
00:16:58.680I was I came on your TV show during that kind of time frame.
00:17:02.160And I pointed out that, you know, I can't remember when this was in 17, 18 time frame and said, you know where the term fake news came from?
00:17:11.120Because, you know, everybody blamed Trump for fake news.
00:17:13.060Everybody said that, oh, it was Trump.
00:17:21.840Well, Lou, when you go back and you actually go through and look of prominent people who talked about fake news, Obama and Zuckerberg in November and December of 2016, the fake news likes to ignore this.
00:17:35.520They're the ones who said it was fake news that allowed Donald Trump to win.
00:18:16.920I don't know what the odds of that happening over the course of the next two years.
00:18:20.260With this administration, which insists on leaving our southern border wide open, insists on providing more money to Ukraine than all of Europe has spent in combination vastly more than the European Union, vastly more than the NATO countries.
00:18:41.160It's obscene what this administration, in my judgment, at least, is doing and doing without even a debate, a discussion in Congress.
00:19:00.840If somebody writes a story that says, hey, there's, you know, this major problem at the border or, you know, should we be giving Ukraine this much money?
00:19:09.640And I think that's a great debate to have.
00:19:11.180I mean, you know, Putin is is no ally or no friend of the United States, never has been.
00:19:15.440He's a big problem on the world stage.
00:19:26.220And yet, if you even say that's a legitimate debate and, you know, and look, I was the reason I knew that the Russia hoax was a hoax is because back in in 12 and 13 and 14 and 15 and 16, I was like the lone voice out there saying, hey, Obama, Biden, you guys aren't doing anything to Putin.
00:19:45.460He just like, you know, ran through us in Libya, Syria.
00:19:49.720He goes into Crimea with little green men.
00:19:52.260We've got the largest military and intelligence apparatus in the world.
00:19:55.040Well, I think we might have a problem here.
00:19:57.660And I said it for year after year after year.
00:19:59.380So you can imagine after the election in 16, they said, oh, Putin elected Trump, like Putin elected Trump.
00:20:20.500And now we know from the files that are being covered up by social media and the fake news, he literally owned Hunter Biden and the Bidens.
00:20:45.480But but look, DOJ already has all the information they could easily prosecute, you know, just like, you know, just like with, you know, John Durham has all that has all the information.
00:20:55.880But clearly, he's not able to bring the cases that need to be need to be brought.
00:20:59.680I mean, now you can see with the Twitter files that have come out that that there's plenty of information there for for Durham to be able to prosecute, you know, you know, people within the FBI, which is, I think, then the problem, I guess, is they're not allowing Durham to do it.
00:21:13.660But, you know, that's why I think Congress has got to get Republicans in Congress with their small majority have got to get serious against you want to get to election integrity and election fraud.
00:21:26.480Go after the guy that spent over four hundred million dollars and has been suppressing information, shadow banning Americans, subpoena the hell out of him.
00:21:56.160Devin is referring to the special forces of Russia in Crimea at the time and eastern Ukraine.
00:22:04.180And it wasn't Donald Trump who signed over Crimea to Vladimir Putin.
00:22:09.720It was Barack Obama and his vice president, of course, now President Biden, who is also, as he pumps billions of dollars into western Ukraine and Kiev, he is permitting Russia to continue to destroy the nation.
00:22:29.840It is the most bizarre foreign policy, geopolitical, geopolitical, geopolitical, military policy I've ever seen.
00:22:39.320And everyone sort of puts to side, and I should say everyone in the Marxist left media, corporate owned, all of them, and oligarch owned, I might add.
00:22:49.300But they simply don't want to acknowledge that Biden and his invisible secretary of state, and we wish he were invisible, Jake Sullivan, his head of national security, were absolutely derelict and not stopping Putin in the months leading up to the war that began now almost a year ago.
00:23:12.940And he could have stopped it, and that is the great – well, it's one of the great tragedies.
00:23:21.500And, Lou, it started all through the Obama-Biden administration.
00:23:27.220I mean, it started all out with a reset, with Hillary Clinton, with all the games that they played in Ukraine.
00:23:34.000I mean, and now, you know, and then you fast forward, you know, Putin can – and I think there's something wrong with Putin, you know, just, you know, personally.
00:23:43.680You know, he – you know, typically, you know, I think he really overestimated his, you know, military's, you know, ability to fight.
00:23:53.760You know, I feel bad for the Ukrainian people.
00:23:56.460You know, I've spent a lot of time in that region.
00:23:58.340And, look, what we want to make sure that doesn't happen is we damn sure don't want, you know, Putin just, you know, pulling an old Soviet Union, you know, night after World War II and just, you know, going to Eastern Europe and put, you know, hundreds of millions of people into poverty and into a socialist dictatorship.
00:24:19.980But at the same time, you're exactly right.
00:24:23.260These guys have created the opportunity for Putin to do this, and now he's done something stupid.
00:24:29.880And I think – and, look, it's easy for us to throw in me being on the outside now.
00:24:33.880But, you know, I spent a lot of years doing this, and it seems to me like the priority in 2023 ought to be on getting these people to the table and say enough is enough on both sides.
00:24:45.980And I think the wrong message is sent by flying a Ukrainian flag in the House of Representatives when Zelensky was giving his speech.
00:24:58.000I just think that's the wrong message.
00:25:01.120You know, for years and every single president going back to Bill Clinton, I believe, when that first, you know, came out, I think that was the first time we ever saw – we saw Clinton working with Putin.
00:25:34.100You know, and now we ought to be actually working on getting these guys back together again, you know, and bringing them to the table.
00:25:41.880Well, nothing's going to get solved by, you know, this current situation with giving hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and promoting this war.
00:25:55.180I mean, here you have for 20-some years they were trying to get along with Putin.
00:25:59.400Now all of a sudden it's like, no, we're just going to let Zelensky fight a proxy war?
00:26:03.260Like, you know, and look, Lou, I say this as somebody who was one of the lone guys warning about Putin, okay, back in the 2011 time frame.
00:26:15.120And truthfully, the Republican Party, and with you as the front of the spear, was fighting Obama's foreign policy at the time in which he was basically acceding to every ambition that Putin put before his foreign policy team.
00:26:37.280Anyway, it's a good point here, too, to point out that the A-team for this administration now, Tony Blinken, Jake Sullivan, and the group, these were all the B and C level people in the Obama administration.
00:26:53.660And projecting it to the present from Obama's years, we've got a third term of the Obama administration.
00:27:00.420In effect, in effect, in effect, exceeding again in a strange, bizarre, perverted way to Putin's ambitions, which could have been forestalled by any, even the most, to me, average, mediocre national security team and national security minds in the fall of 2020.
00:27:26.420And one other thing to put to that, Lou.
00:27:27.840Yeah, one other point that, you know, you call it the second and third string.
00:27:33.680Really what it is, it's actually an old-style Soviet Union, apparatchik style, how everybody moves up.
00:27:42.380If you actually go back and look, the people that were responsible for the Russia hoax during the Obama-Biden administration all received promotions within this Biden administration.
00:28:14.120And none of these people have paid a price.
00:28:16.780And I think that's why, I mean, look, it's why I left Congress, was to go and give people their voice back so we could expose a lot of this.
00:28:24.220Because I realized that all the stuff that I exposed, you still had over half of America who thought that Trump and Republicans, you know, were in bed with Putin, which was ridiculous.
00:28:35.480This is a good place for me to acknowledge that the first time I heard shadow banning was from Devin Nunes on television.
00:28:47.640And I have to say, I had no idea in the world what you were talking about when you said shadow banning.
00:28:52.420But believe me, in the years since, I've learned very clearly what shadow banning is.
00:28:59.800And I still suspect I'm being shadow banned a bit on Twitter.
00:29:04.720Well, you're not being shadow banned on true social.
00:29:11.340We don't even have the ability to shadow ban, you know, because we don't use an algorithm in our feed.
00:29:16.620And that's where these guys, that's what these guys started to do.
00:29:19.620So it used to be, you know, back in the beginning of Facebook, you make a post at noon.
00:29:26.960And if, you know, Lou follows up with a post at 1230 and you go to your feed, you're going to see my post and then you're going to see Lou's post.
00:29:34.240Well, what these guys figured out over time, oh, well, this one person, he likes to check Lou's posts quite often.
00:29:40.540So let's make sure we, even if Lou posted this morning, let's make sure the person sees three or four of Lou's posts immediately.
00:29:46.880And so at first, I think they were trying to be helpful to the user.
00:30:08.080And turned the audience upside down very effectively, I might add.
00:30:16.780And to this point, Adam Schiff's office, it turns out, speaking of the Twitter files, I have to tell you, Devin, I'm a little reticent to be talking about Twitter with the CEO of True Social.
00:31:45.160And then in 17 and 18, the Democrats spend all their time using the Russia hoax to make up lies, engaging the DOJ and the FBI to put pressure on, oh, this could be Russian disinformation.
00:31:58.580Fast forward, take out 400-some million from Zuckerberg because, you know, he cost the Democrats the last election.
00:32:05.380And they're promising probably not to investigate him.
00:32:08.140So he gives them forks over $400 million.
00:32:10.640At the same time, they censor, they get all of these companies in October of 2020 to censor the Hunter Biden laptop from Hell story.
00:32:20.040And then, lo and behold, as they were kicking off hundreds of thousands, if not well over, I think maybe as much as a couple million or more Americans that were booted from all the platforms, they kick off the president of the United States, a sitting president of the United States.
00:32:34.760So, you know, just all of that happens, Lou.
00:32:37.760So don't think – why would they not think that they could just call up Twitter or Facebook and say, get rid of this guy?
00:32:49.660And look, had I done that, right, or had a – you name a Republican or even the Trump administration.
00:32:56.820You know, somebody – if they would have said, hey, we think this Lou Dobbs guy, he should be taken down, or let's reverse it and let's say, you know, some MSNBC host, that would have leaked immediately.
00:33:09.980There would have been – if I would have done that, I guarantee you it would have leaked immediately, and they would have had an – they would have been calling for an investigation, ethics investigation of me, and possibly a DOJ investigation on whether or not I'm harming people's civil rights and rights to First Amendment.
00:33:34.140And sadly, I wasn't able to get through because, you know, they were able to go to court and say, oh, we don't shadow ban.
00:33:41.020And the judge said, oh, well, what evidence do you have?
00:33:44.260And, of course, you know, I had some stories and things of that nature.
00:33:46.800But now, of course, today – I mean, I don't know.
00:33:49.760It depends on what court you get and what judge you get because we have a problem there too.
00:33:54.500But, I mean, look, with the case that I brought a few years ago, clearly with what Elon Musk had brought out, I mean, we know there was shadow banning.
00:34:02.580And yet I would have been – had I done something like that, they would have just come after me or any other Republican.
00:34:10.260So it's just a – there's just a two-tiered system in this country for everything from the Justice Department to politics to the media.
00:34:24.820And if you're a conservative or a Republican, you know, good luck.
00:34:31.220And, you know, that's why I'm doing what I'm doing today, trying to get people their voice back to fight back.
00:34:35.580Well, and, again, one more point here.
00:34:42.280Adam Schiff, his predecessor on the Intel Committee, had to watch as he lied throughout.
00:34:51.140We find out now not only was he lying to the American people throughout about Russia collusion and driving the investigation that he knew, had to know, was originated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign and the DNC.
00:35:11.140And it was a construct of their law firm.
00:35:21.300The – it's just outright corruption and indifference and conscienceless acts that have been taken by the Democrat Party, the Marxist Dems, as we call them on this show.
00:35:35.900So, what did you think when you found out that they had been spying on you, your chief investigator, and you don't find out about it?
00:35:45.640You may have suspected it, I would have guessed, but you don't find out for five years, the fact.
00:35:52.460Yeah, I mean, that's – yeah, important, yeah.
00:35:54.700So, for your audience to understand, we just – this just happened before Christmas.
00:35:58.580You know, my staff was notified that there was a grand jury subpoena to go after their records.
00:36:05.360And so, as a matter of fact, it was not only just Cash Patel, but it was other people on my staff.
00:36:12.400So, effectively, what they did, they did reverse targeting, a way to reverse spy, target my lawyers to see what I know, how I was figuring it out.
00:36:20.520And this was at the height of 2017 when we're subpoenaing the Department of Justice and the FBI, and they turn around, you know, and we're the Oversight Committee.
00:36:32.740We're conducting an investigation into corruption on them, and they turn around and investigate me and my staff.
00:36:41.300I mean, you just can't – you know, it's – this is another thing that the Congress has got to investigate, you know, and I know it's old, but it's important, especially, you know, if they got away with it with me in 2017, why would they not just go subpoena all of Jim Jordan's staff?
00:37:03.380And just kind of a funny – you bring up Adam Schiff, and there's so many – you almost – it's scary, Lou, and I know it's horrible, but sometimes you almost have to laugh about some of this.
00:37:15.860And one of my – one of the stories I was thinking about with this guy is, you know, he ran around accusing everybody of being Russian agents, from Trump to me to my staff to, you know, other Republicans.
00:37:28.380You know, it didn't matter if you – if you said, hey, this Russia thing doesn't look right, they immediately call you a stooge of Putin, right?
00:37:52.060If you remember, he was trying to get the nude pictures of Trump.
00:37:56.940So here you have a guy talking to Russians, trying to get nude pictures, compromising pictures of the sitting president of the United States who he's investing – for what?
00:38:07.500Oh, for working with Russians to defeat Hillary Clinton.
00:38:10.680And then you yourself – there was no evidence of that.
00:38:13.100But you yourself, not only do you try to get compromising information on Trump from Russians, you try to get nude photos, no less.
00:38:24.680And, you know, today it's – at the same time, it's so scary, Lou.
00:38:30.060But you also just have to almost laugh at the stupidity of – you know, you sit back.
00:38:35.740You kind of got to be a happy warrior here and say, you know, like, you know, all you fake news people, all you tech tyrants, all you Marxist Dems, as you say, in the Congress, you know, all you freaks at the Department of Justice and the FBI, screw you.
00:38:55.340But how long it takes is, of course, the existential issue to think that we are now in the seventh year of the political persecution of Donald Trump by the radical Dems and the deep state,
00:39:09.960and the only wrongdoing that has been revealed throughout two impeachments, now two special counsels, over three years of FBI investigations of this president, of this former president,
00:39:23.740has been wrongdoing on the part of four directors of the FBI, the Justice Department, and others, including the DNC, Michael Sussman, the attorney for Perkins Coy, and the list goes on.
00:39:47.100It's as if the body politic in this country – and there are lots of reasons for it –
00:39:52.360but as if the body politic has been so desensitized to an unthinkable outrage, it would have been utterly unthinkable 10 years ago, wouldn't it?
00:40:06.480Yeah, 10 years ago, this would have been – it would have been hard for even the fake news at that time to ignore this just hypocrisy and corruption.
00:40:16.660But I think, you know, it just happened.
00:40:18.560It happened during – I think when we look back and history's written,
00:40:21.300we talked a little bit about it a bit ago, and that was that Obama developed a old-style Soviet Union system where all these people were brought up through the system.
00:40:34.800They infiltrated – and we always knew, you know, you mentioned, like, higher education and all of that.
00:43:09.380Again, it's just incredible to think this is the magnificent fourth estate.
00:43:15.980Yeah, Lou, I think what it – there's kind of twofold here.
00:43:22.140One is that I think that Kevin McCarthy, who I've known for many years, you know, he's worked hard,
00:43:29.220did a good job raising money, recruiting candidates, had a good election year in 2020,
00:43:34.340and, you know, obviously didn't get as many people across the line as everyone hoped for.
00:43:40.780But, you know, I think Kevin McCarthy is paying a price for the real lack of leadership that we saw at the RNC and in the Senate and with McConnell.
00:43:54.840And I think, you know, that last budget deal that went through – and I think you have a lot of the conservatives who are kind of taking it out on Kevin McCarthy when, you know, largely if you –
00:44:07.960and, you know, look, I did this for 20 years, Lou.
00:44:10.540You know, if I want – I never wanted those positions because it's, you know, it's a lot of babysitting.
00:44:16.000You know, you've got to travel all over the country.
00:44:18.180You know, you're always dealing with, you know, all sorts of problems.
00:44:33.900And I just think, you know, if you want to be Speaker and if you want to be in Republican leadership, look, you've got to start now.
00:44:42.420Like, if you want to be Speaker, you know, two years from now, then you need to go out and you need to go recruit candidates.
00:44:48.500You have to go raise money and do all that.
00:44:50.120And I think that's the – I think McCarthy's paying a price for kind of the bad leadership at other levels.
00:44:57.060And I think the guys who are all my friends, by the way, who don't want McCarthy and is, look, if you don't want McCarthy or Scalise or whoever,
00:45:07.260then you have to go out and you've got to start campaigning today and win over the Republicans in the House of Representatives in the conference.
00:45:17.120And I think that's the issue because if you – at the end of the day, it's a team sport.
00:45:23.820Like, when you run as a Republican, you caucus as a Republican.
00:45:26.680And once you get out of that vote, you know, and in this case, you know, McCarthy got all but 30 in that initial vote in November, you know, then you kind of got to go to the floor to unite.
00:45:40.680And what I'm worried about right now is I agree with you.
00:45:44.480I have no problem for all the closed-down capital and all the secret nonsense that's gone over the last few years.
00:45:50.660It's a little bit refreshing to see people fighting this out in public and making their cases.
00:45:55.920But at the same time, as you know from this interview that we've done, we've got to get on to – there's a lot to be investigated.
00:46:05.520And we can't get, you know, held up with, you know, with leadership races.
00:46:10.980It's got to be – let's – we need Jim Jordan to go to work.
00:46:14.500And Jim's, you know, he's got a lot to do.
00:46:18.780I think they're going to need special commissions that are set up.
00:46:22.080You know, they're talking about a China task force with subpoena power.
00:46:26.380And I think they're going to need to do one on the DOJ and the FBI.
00:46:29.320And what I understand, they're preparing to do that.
00:46:32.800And that's what I want to see as a – now as a guy from the outside looking in who's been there, the biggest problem we have is our Department of Justice.
00:46:44.360I mean, you have no country if you don't have a Department of Justice.
00:46:47.260That's – that's not – that's plain politics.
00:46:51.000The American people have to be the foundation of what the Republican Party is.
00:46:55.360That's what your boss, President Trump, brought to the American people in 2016.
00:47:02.300He restored faith in our government and its commitment to the forgotten man and woman, working men and women, our middle class, and putting America first and making America great.
00:47:16.400All of that is the only – these are the tattered remnants of his administration in that conference right now.
00:47:37.360But if they investigate further, I think they're going to be blocked at every turn by a Justice Department that's as Marxist as anything you'll find in the CCP or in Russia.
00:47:48.440The one thing that they – the one thing they have the ability to do, Lou, through the investigation process – and look, I think they're a lot better than they used to be, right, largely because of the investigation that I ran with my team.
00:48:02.380You know, a lot of those people are still there that worked with me.
00:48:05.680I think we know – my former colleagues know just how bad and corrupt these guys are, that they didn't even believe, you know, four years ago, three years ago, two years ago.
00:48:19.840So I know, because I talk to them all the time, I think there's a lot of them who are ready to go and actually run these investigations and will do – and will – I think will surprise you.
00:48:31.360And look, I'll be the first one to throw Kevin McCarthy under the bus if he's not allowing Jim Jordan to subpoena the Department of Justice or if he does put this – McCarthy's talked about putting together this kind of commission to investigate the DOJ and FBI and work with Jim Jordan.
00:49:27.380Well, yeah, the final point on this is that that would be, in my estimation, a reason to – if there's a holdup in these investigations, which is really the only power after McConnell caved on the spending side, there's really nothing left other than these investigations.
00:49:48.260And I would just put this out for McCarthy that, you know, probably doesn't get talked about a lot because I'm sure the fake news ignores it.
00:49:56.840But I was there on the phone call in 2016 when we – so this was in October of 16.
00:50:07.580You only remember the – well, I can't remember what fiasco it was, but it was – I think it was the Bush – the Billy Bush tape that came out.
00:50:27.540And McCarthy was the only one in leadership who said, guys, we're not going to abandon our nominee, you know, four weeks before the election or whatever it was, three weeks or four weeks.
00:50:40.660So I think McCarthy doesn't get credit for – you know, probably his best quality is he is a – he understands, you know, politics.
00:50:52.840He understands, you know, the sense of, you know, how to win elections and needing to win elections.
00:50:58.240And, you know, he at least not only had the balls at the time but also stood up to the rest of our leadership who were trying to cut and run on Trump as a candidate back in 16.
00:51:11.740And I say that because I was on the call, you know, and it was with, you know, our full conference.
00:51:19.700I have lots of things that I did throughout my political career that weren't perfect.
00:51:24.300And, look, I'll tell you another thing.
00:51:26.460I think you're exactly right on this January 6th stuff.
00:51:30.260And, look, I was there, you know, throughout 2021 when this – in watching the Democrats do this ridiculous investigation on Jan 6th.
00:51:39.720And I would say that I think you've seen now over time McCarthy and the leadership have figured out that, you know, what's happened here is not okay.
00:51:50.480And so when I talk about the DOJ and the FBI needing to be investigated, that falls within there, right?
00:51:57.880So, like, for example, and this was something I asked when I was in Congress, and I still ask, hey, I just want to know who the hell Ray Epps is.
00:53:02.120And, by the way, I asked the same question, just so – this is not, with me, a partisan issue.
00:53:08.920But those 800-plus individuals who are political prisoners of the Marxist left, and that Marxist left is operating vigorously in our judiciary.
00:53:20.820It's operating aggressively in our Department of Justice and FBI.
00:53:25.800All things we need answers to, and, look, that's what the Republican Congress has got to get to.
00:53:44.480And there'll be more to talk about here, I'm sure, in the coming weeks and months.
00:53:49.200I think it's safe to say it appears so.
00:53:51.500Devin Nunes, CEO of the Trump Media and Technology Group, Great American.
00:53:56.900Thank you for being with us, everybody.
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00:54:06.440Guests coming up include attorney Kevin Evans on his battle to have the Department of Justice reveal 400 pages of documents that, to this point, are secret on the Biden's payoffs and gifts.
00:54:18.380Cash Patel on the revelations of the Nunes memo and the Department of Justice spying on him and the Intel Committee.
00:54:26.220Also will be joined by Congressman James Comer to be the new chair of the Oversight Committee.