The Great America Show - DEVINE SAYS 2020 ELECTION WAS RIGGED; TWITTER, FB CENSORED LAPTOP RPTS

00:00:00.180 Hi, everybody, and welcome to the Great America Show.

00:00:04.080 President Biden and President Xi spent two hours on a video phone call.

00:00:09.480 What did they talk about?

00:00:11.540 Well, senior administration officials described the call as direct, substantive, and detailed.

00:00:18.320 Now, that's informative, isn't it?

00:00:20.360 However, when the officials were asked what the two leaders actually talked about,

00:00:24.380 the White House offered nothing direct, substantive, or detailed in response.

00:00:30.600 But to hear the White House side of it, Mr. Biden spent much of the time talking about the consequences

00:00:36.900 if Mr. Xi were to provide material aid and equipment to the Russians while they have forces in Ukraine making war.

00:00:45.920 The White House and State Department wouldn't even say generally what the red lines are

00:00:51.440 nor what the consequences would be for China if Xi were to decide to support Russia's war on Ukraine.

00:00:59.180 For Xi's part, the Chinese government said, quote,

00:01:02.720 China stands for peace and opposes war, end quote.

00:01:08.060 Xi would not go so far as to criticize Russia and its war against Ukraine.

00:01:13.300 And U.S. officials said they weren't sure whether China will decide to support Russia in its brutal war on Ukraine or not.

00:01:22.620 President Biden made no statement after the phone call with Xi.

00:01:27.140 And there we are, diplomacy, Biden style.

00:01:31.540 The war over the 2020 presidential election, though, is heating up.

00:01:36.320 The New York Times admission this week that Hunter Biden's laptop and contents are authentic has been nothing short of explosive.

00:01:45.320 And as President Trump declared in reaction to the stunning development, quote,

00:01:50.380 the New York Times just admitted that it participated in the effort to rig the election for Joe Biden, end quote.

00:01:58.320 The political corruption of corporate media was on vivid display, and so, too, the political corruption of the intelligence establishment just a few weeks before the November 3rd election 2020.

00:02:12.660 Former Obama CIA Director John Brennan then authored and with four other former directors of the CIA signed a letter that said they and more than three dozen intelligence veterans

00:02:24.540 who also signed the letter believed the laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:02:30.620 Their ruse worked perfectly on the major newspapers, networks, broadcast, and cable.

00:02:36.200 Corporate media outlets not only refused to delve deeply into the laptop and its evidence of Biden family corruption,

00:02:44.520 but actually worked vigorously to attack the New York Post and knock down their reporting.

00:02:50.080 As Miranda Devine wrote in her book, The Laptop from Hell, CNN President Jeff Zucker and Political Director David Chalin instructed staff not to follow the Post's report, but instead disparage it.

00:03:05.800 And so they did, all of national leftist media.

00:03:09.960 President Trump was right, just as he repeatedly had warned the election was rigged.

00:03:15.480 And Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg was playing a part as well.

00:03:19.580 Spending more than $400 million to pour into get-out-the-vote programs in precincts that were 90% Democratic.

00:03:29.160 Doesn't sound right, does it?

00:03:30.880 Doesn't sound legal.

00:03:32.540 You and I get to donate a maximum of $2,500 to our favorite candidate.

00:03:37.700 But oligarchs have different rules, obviously. 0.56

00:03:41.400 And Zuckerberg's pal, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, decided to shut down the New York Post on the same day.

00:03:48.260 And they did, together, on the first day of the Post's reporting on the laptop from hell, two weeks before Election Day.

00:03:58.580 Oh yes, Zuckerberg admitted they had been too hasty, that it was a mistake to censor the Post.

00:04:05.040 But he waited until after the rigged election to make his admission.

00:04:09.500 And as President Trump noted, the New York Times waited 500 days to print the news that they saw fit to print.

00:04:18.000 That Hunter Biden's laptop actually was authentic all that time.

00:04:22.980 And all that's inside that laptop implicates the Bidens as well.

00:04:28.360 We have with us now the author of The Laptop from Hell, who has chronicled the travesty and tragedy of this corrupt family and the laptop that should have changed history.

00:04:39.600 The brilliant New York Post columnist, Miranda Devine.

00:04:43.360 And Miranda, welcome to The Great America Show.

00:04:46.760 How does it feel to be honored, vindicated, in all of your reporting, to have been first, to have written the most important book, The Laptop from Hell, on this entire escapade?

00:05:04.380 How does it feel?

00:05:06.740 It's slightly ambivalent, I think.

00:05:09.360 You know, I'm not jumping for joy because if you were one of our readers at The New York Post or any of your listeners or the Fox News viewers, you knew all this 16 months ago when The Post first started running the emails from Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop.

00:05:30.540 And we did the authenticating.

00:05:33.780 We did the due diligence before publishing.

00:05:36.580 And, you know, I mean, we've run so many stories since then.

00:05:42.180 My book has come out.

00:05:44.260 The receipts are all there.

00:05:46.000 Tony Bobulinski told his story and handed over his material to the FBI.

00:05:53.080 They're very late to the party.

00:05:54.940 But I guess I am glad that New York Times readers are no longer in the dark and maybe they will realize that they were lied to.

00:06:05.640 Hoodwinked about Joe Biden before the election.

00:06:10.660 You know, that's when it counted, when the story first came out, when we first published three weeks before the election.

00:06:17.500 That's what mattered.

00:06:18.620 And unfortunately, you know, we know from polls that half of Biden's voters didn't know at the election about this laptop scandal and what it told them about Joe Biden.

00:06:33.580 And fully 10 percent of them would have changed their vote had they known.

00:06:40.220 And in an election that was, you know, decided by so few people, I think 43,000 people across three battleground states, that would have made a difference.

00:06:51.200 Yeah.

00:06:51.440 And they what percent did you say?

00:06:53.800 What percent would have changed their votes?

00:06:56.700 10 percent of Biden voters.

00:06:59.300 That says something so important about this country right now, with the facts before them put forward by the New York Post breaking the story and then being engaged by every kind of left-wing conspiracy, it seems known to politics and media, assailed for weeks on end.

00:07:26.660 And only 10 percent with the evidence that the Biden family is absolutely corrupt, that everything in that in that laptop indicated that from the beginning and much of it absolutely evidence of the corruption of the family itself.

00:07:48.040 It's it's stunning.

00:07:49.380 But what I am what I think is wonderful is for all that you've gone through, the New York Post has gone through your courageous reporting, your diligence in all of this.

00:08:02.480 And to be told by all sorts of functionaries who presume themselves to be national security experts, that it was Russian disinformation by the left-wing media, which now is going to be, I think, run over the coals for what they did, saying they could not establish.

00:08:22.680 Of course, I was looking at a particular, Miranda, a report by NBC News, the most quintessential reporting, saying that this just simply could not be verified.

00:08:36.500 It was just nonsense.

00:08:37.820 Then secondly, the wonderful Leslie Stahl interview on 60 Minutes with President Trump, where she just sat there and just simply lied through her teeth, took a position, dug in, and will be forever known for that interview and those outrageously arrogant statements that she made as he ultimately walked out, as he should have. 1.00

00:09:03.840 Your thoughts?

00:09:04.520 Yes, and who could forget, as well as Leslie Stahl, Christiane Amapour over there on CNN, so arrogantly telling the Republican spokeswoman, Liz Harrington, that, you know, I'm a journalist, I'm a reporter, I follow the facts.

00:09:24.580 And, you know, there's never been any problems of Joe Biden and corruption and none of this story that you're talking about from the New York Post has any validity.

00:09:35.300 And, you know, these people posed as journalists and they didn't even try to look at the story.

00:09:42.980 They didn't look at the evidence that we presented.

00:09:45.260 They didn't follow up with people like Tony Bobulinski, who offered himself to the media in a press conference before the election, after our story came out, provided his WhatsApp messages and documents and very credible material that buttressed and also corroborated what was on the laptop because he was a recipient of a lot of these emails.

00:10:12.640 They didn't try to do proper journalism and do what we did and talk to the laptop repair shop guy or any of the other people who were also recipients of those emails, as I did.

00:10:26.740 They may not want to come out in public, but they were happy to confirm that these emails were real, that they received them.

00:10:34.740 It wasn't really the most difficult journalism to do.

00:10:38.620 It was not beyond the resources of CNN and the New York Times and the Washington Post, but they wanted not to do it.

00:10:47.880 And to make it even worse, they didn't just ignore it, but they traduced the people who managed to get on their shows or who came to them and tried to set them straight about this crucial story.

00:11:02.720 That was about one of the candidates that was running for the president of the United States, the leader of the free world.

00:11:11.060 They were so desperate to get rid of Donald Trump that they were happy to put in the most evil or corrupt.

00:11:20.300 I don't know if Joe Biden is that, but they didn't care what he was.

00:11:24.980 They would, it was anybody but Donald Trump.

00:11:27.420 That was how they were, and they threw all the journalistic standards and credibility out the window.

00:11:33.280 Yeah.

00:11:33.660 I think it's far worse than that, Miranda.

00:11:36.240 I think this story and the time for whatever its motivation, now coming to terms, at least in part, and very late in its story, what is it, like the 20th paragraph, do they begin to really accept responsibility.

00:11:53.420 But the idea that this was just, you know, who they preferred, that for me just is, this isn't just about who they preferred.

00:12:06.280 This is a corporate media that is corrupt to its bone.

00:12:12.600 There is maybe a handful of outlets that have integrity, and certainly yours is among the New York Post.

00:12:23.240 But to suggest that, to have this group of so-called national security experts come out and pointedly say it's Russian disinformation for each one of these outlets, whether it's CNN or NBC News, all of them, to try to knock down a story without even reporting on it.

00:12:46.240 Just taking the view, the political view, that Biden needs to be president, they're anti-Trump, and he is anti-establishment, and we, by God, are the establishment, and we will crush him as quickly as we can.

00:13:02.740 These people tore up the election of 2020.

00:13:05.560 You remember the 2020 election, according to Krebs, the cyber security guy for Homeland Security, declared it a perfect election.

00:13:15.560 I mean, it extends to that.

00:13:18.220 There's nothing perfect about that election.

00:13:20.300 Our courts ran from it.

00:13:22.040 State legislators ran from it.

00:13:24.260 The FBI, the Justice Department, the Attorney General appointed by Donald Trump ran from it.

00:13:29.100 And I think that you and the New York Post deserve immense credit because you stood basically alone in reporting the facts on Hunter Biden, the Biden corruption.

00:13:41.540 And I'll tell you, there are legions who will, in journalism and media and corporate America, big tech and social media.

00:13:51.720 I mean, I think of what Twitter and Meta, also known as Facebook, did to you guys.

00:14:01.900 Are you kidding?

00:14:02.980 This should be a lawsuit of immense proportions, don't you think?

00:14:07.220 Oh, yes.

00:14:08.000 And look, I mean, there are so many ways that the 2020 election was rigged.

00:14:13.200 And, of course, the censorship and suppression of our story is one of them.

00:14:17.580 That would have made a material difference, as I said, to the outcome.

00:14:20.880 But Twitter and Facebook, basically what they did was election interference.

00:14:27.900 Within a few hours of our story going online on the 14th of October, three weeks before the election 2020, they had Facebook and Twitter had censored it.

00:14:39.780 Facebook said pending fact checking, which I know they still haven't done because they haven't contacted the other recipients of that first email that we published

00:14:48.440 that showed that Joe Biden had met with Hunter Biden's benefactor, paymaster from Ukraine, from that corrupt energy company in Burisma.

00:14:58.880 Joe Biden met this guy in Washington, D.C.

00:15:02.700 And he denied it, and he denied it, and his campaign denied it.

00:15:06.120 And it was only halfway through last year when I discovered that this wasn't just any old meeting.

00:15:13.000 This was actually a dinner that Hunter Biden had organised at Cafe Milano in Georgetown for his father, the vice president, in 2015,

00:15:21.220 to meet with Hunter's overseas business partners from three countries, from Russia, from Ukraine, and from Kazakhstan.

00:15:31.180 Joe Biden met them at the restaurant where they were having dinner in a private room.

00:15:36.040 And his campaign and the White House denied that nonstop until finally my story came out in the New York Post and the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler decided to do a Pinocchio fact check on me and went to the White House.

00:15:53.080 And, of course, they respond to him and they admitted, yes, well, Joe Biden did show up at that dinner.

00:15:59.380 They suddenly remember it, but he didn't stay for very long.

00:16:02.780 And, of course, he wasn't doing anything nefarious.

00:16:05.000 So, you know, they get away with it.

00:16:08.200 Why isn't the Washington Post, why wasn't the Washington Post furious about having been lied to previously about that meeting?

00:16:15.580 And this is Facebook and Twitter gave the rest of the media a fig leaf to continue to ignore and introduce our story because they, with their great might,

00:16:28.760 they censored it and they sent the message to the world that the story lacked credibility.

00:16:34.180 And then worst, I mean, I think the most egregious is what you alluded to, which is the John Brennan, James Clapper, Leon Panetta, Michael Hayden,

00:16:45.960 the 50 or 49 former senior intelligence operatives who signed that scurrilous letter just five days after our story came out and just a day or two before Joe Biden had to meet Donald Trump at the last debate before the election.

00:17:05.160 And they said that in their expert opinion, the material that we had published from the laptop was Russian disinformation, all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation.

00:17:16.620 They had never looked at it.

00:17:18.140 I mean, they never asked us if they could have a look at it before they made their pronouncement.

00:17:22.600 And they totally ruined their reputations.

00:17:27.080 They used the esteem of their former high office CIA director was John Brennan, and he knew full well that this material on the laptop was correct because he was the head of the CIA during Joe Biden's vice presidency.

00:17:44.380 When Hunter Biden was ricocheting around the world as a crack addict in the company of Russian oligarchs who were in the inner sanctum of Vladimir Putin in Moscow,

00:17:58.940 in Monte Carlo, in Lake Como.

00:18:03.800 He was in Shanghai.

00:18:05.140 He was in Beijing with the top CCP operatives, the right-hand people of President Xi.

00:18:11.660 He and his family were getting tens of millions of dollars from these very shady, unsavory, corrupt people from around the world.

00:18:20.360 You cannot tell me that John Brennan, as head of the CIA and the intelligence services of the United States,

00:18:27.500 were not fully aware of what the son of the president was doing in all these countries.

00:18:34.020 And if they didn't know, they are not doing their jobs very well.

00:18:38.980 Well, they're not alone in that, of course.

00:18:40.920 Neither did the NSA do its job well.

00:18:44.640 Neither did the FBI.

00:18:47.460 And the Secret Service suddenly can't find three years of travel records for Hunter Biden.

00:18:53.780 We're talking about the corruption of every intelligence agency of the United States of America.

00:19:01.640 It is nothing less.

00:19:03.360 It is an absolute disgrace.

00:19:05.960 And we have a Republican Party and a Democratic Party who are engaged in petty nonsense for public consumption.

00:19:15.600 And then, at the same time, deny their voices of outrage to say, it is time for this to stop.

00:19:23.360 We're going to have a commission on the integrity of the entire U.S. government because nothing less will work. 0.86

00:19:29.320 We don't have a single damn agency in this government that isn't corrupt and provably so. 0.87

00:19:37.480 I strongly believe that. 0.99

00:19:40.640 And I can't believe that we have such meek, witless fools in our government as to allow the corruption of our entire intelligence and law enforcement apparatus at the federal level. 0.94

00:19:55.260 Lou, I mean, you mentioned the Secret Service, and it really is very telling that they have told, as you said, Chuck Grasley and Ron Johnson, the two Republican senators, that they can't find any communications relating to Hunter Biden for three years when Joe Biden was vice president. 0.97

00:20:17.760 And, you know, they asked, like, back in January, they asked the Secret Service.

00:20:26.220 They've been asking the Secret Service for months, but they asked him again in January.

00:20:30.820 And the Secret Service says they don't have any.

00:20:33.300 I mean, I have seen on the laptop a dozen emails from Secret Service, official ones, Secret Service people to Hunter Biden.

00:20:43.140 They were looking after him for much of this period.

00:20:46.940 He did wave them off at one point, I guess, because they were cramping his style.

00:20:51.560 Maybe they decided that his drug taking and prostitution and so on was something that they couldn't just sit back and do nothing about.

00:21:02.360 His style wasn't cramped much.

00:21:06.160 No, no.

00:21:08.240 But there are so many emails.

00:21:11.680 I mean, I can show them what they were talking about.

00:21:14.900 How could they have lost those?

00:21:16.940 It seems incredible.

00:21:18.280 And, you know, the Secret Service pops up a lot in Hunter Biden's story during the nine years that the laptop covers.

00:21:26.320 And he always seems to have some sort of Secret Service shadowy people there in the background ready to come and rescue him when he gets into a spot of difficulty.

00:21:36.520 Remember when his then lover, his sister-in-law, the widow of his brother, who he was living with, took a gun that he'd just bought and lied about on the background check because he said he didn't do drugs.

00:21:54.160 His sister-in-law, Hallie Biden, took that gun and threw it in a garbage bin in a trash can opposite a school near a local shopping centre in Greenville, Delaware, where they were living.

00:22:04.360 And there was a great outcry and the local police came and the state police came and the Secret Service came.

00:22:13.500 And they went to that gun shop, as the gun shop owner then told reporters.

00:22:18.760 They went to that gun shop, these two men who said that they were Secret Service agents.

00:22:24.180 And they wanted to take away the record of the background check that Hunter Biden had signed and had signed fraudulently by saying that, yes, he was not an addict and he had not taken drugs in the preceding time.

00:22:43.240 There is evidence on the laptop he was taking drugs right up until the time he signed that.

00:22:48.540 So, you know, people have gone to jail for that sort of thing.

00:22:52.220 So, the Secret Service was there to cover up.

00:22:54.560 But, of course, when you ask the Secret Service who were those agents, they say no such event happened.

00:23:01.100 And then, you know, there was another time when Hunter Biden was on a crack bender at the Chateau Marmont and on his text messages, there's a record of a man who did exist at that time.

00:23:14.720 He had just retired from being the head of the LA Secret Service field office and he was knocking at the door telling Hunter that there was a problem because a credit card that he just used or a debit card he just used to pay a prostitute was linked to Celtic, which was the or Celtic, I think you call it, which is the code name for Joe Biden for the Secret Service.

00:23:41.840 And so, the Secret Service again comes to Hunter's rescue because basically a lot of money went through those debit cards, whether it was fraud or an accident, who knows.

00:23:54.500 But I think $25,000 was taken off his various cards and at least one of those was connected to Joe Biden.

00:24:02.140 So, there you go, the Secret Service, there's numerous other occasions, but they were definitely involved in rescuing Hunter Biden from himself.

00:24:12.220 And we know that Joe Biden had close personal relations with some of these agents.

00:24:17.380 And we also know that one very senior agent who had been Joe Biden's sort of chief protector, after he retired, he then went and worked in private practice and he was hired by Jim Biden, Joe Biden's younger brother and Hunter Biden to do some sort of private eye work for them doing due diligence on some of their business partners.

00:24:41.920 And the funny thing, Lou, is that like with a lot of bills, they didn't pay the bills.

00:24:48.960 So, I think a year later, he was still trying to chase up the money.

00:24:52.540 And that's what you find with a lot of people that do work for the Bidens, especially around Joe Biden's Wilmington home, Greenville home.

00:25:01.340 And a lot of small tradesmen just find it very difficult to actually get paid.

00:25:07.340 And it seems that the Bidens think that it's such an honor to do work for them that, you know, you don't need to have cash in recompense.

00:25:16.580 Yeah.

00:25:16.680 It is a tawdry tale, to say the least, filthy corruption.

00:25:24.360 And we have people talking about this loan that he just got for a million dollars.

00:25:32.120 With all of this, he gets a loan for a million dollars to clean up his delinquent tax debt.

00:25:37.240 And so, no harm, no problem, even though we have evidence as much as this condemns Hunter Biden to hell and condemns the Biden family and Joe Biden,

00:25:53.300 who is now demonstrably an illegitimate president with the great service and assistance of the left-wing corporate media in this country,

00:26:06.860 you have to wonder, what are they thinking about?

00:26:10.220 We have corrupt intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies at work here.

00:26:14.880 We have not a single whistleblower who has stepped forward from any one of these agencies to say,

00:26:22.920 excuse me, American media, journalists with glorious committed hearts to America, here's the evidence.

00:26:34.080 We haven't had that happen.

00:26:36.240 That is also a stain forever on those agencies and departments to this very day.

00:26:42.880 And I hear people, and I talk to folks who have great friends in each agency department.

00:26:50.160 They say, but there are good people within there.

00:26:52.300 Where are the good people in this, Miranda?

00:26:55.220 Where are the good people?

00:26:57.440 Well, look, we do know that the U.S. attorney in Delaware is conducting an investigation.

00:27:03.680 There's been a grand jury there, which has been subpoenaing and hearing testimony from people connected to Hunter Biden,

00:27:11.600 such as, you know, his baby mama went and testified for several hours and her lawyer insists that Hunter Biden will be indicted.

00:27:22.440 So let's see where that goes.

00:27:24.920 We saw the New York Times story yesterday really, although in the 24th paragraph they did admit that the laptop was real

00:27:32.080 and they'd authenticated some of the emails, the story really was about trying to minimise and rehearse in the public

00:27:42.520 Hunter Biden's sort of defence of the, well, we know of three criminal allegations against him that the U.S. attorney is looking at,

00:27:54.000 and that's to do with tax evasion, money laundering and violation of FARA, the Foreign Agent Registration Act.

00:28:01.380 And so the story seems to be, I'm assuming that this has come from the Hunter Biden camp

00:28:09.580 and not from the U.S. attorney camp, which would be appalling.

00:28:12.180 But the rehearsal of the defence seems to be that, well, you know, there were these tax issues,

00:28:21.500 but he did pay a million dollars of tax and he had to borrow the money because he doesn't have the money,

00:28:27.820 which actually I find very dubious because in the laptop there's a lot of flurry of conversation

00:28:34.120 between Hunter and his lawyer and his tax accountant over these overdue taxes, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:28:43.940 And they were clearing it up.

00:28:46.500 Let me interject at this point.

00:28:49.680 One is we're becoming a nation of lawyers as if we have to wait on a federal process,

00:28:57.120 whether it is a grand jury, whether it is a Justice Department that never, ever produces truth

00:29:02.920 from their investigations that are interminable, it seems, in nearly every instance.

00:29:08.940 But what we don't seem to appreciate is what's standing right in front of us,

00:29:15.940 a government that is fully and with evidence in every case corrupt.

00:29:23.660 And we don't want to confront that issue.

00:29:26.900 We have reporters not who couldn't, you know, I can't even imagine being in the same room with you,

00:29:34.040 for example, or the New York Post because of your integrity.

00:29:38.740 So why would, for example, Tucker Carlson talk to one of your prime sources, Bobulinski,

00:29:46.960 and then as he gets evidence, suddenly it's lost.

00:29:51.520 And he says, you know, Hunter and I went to school together.

00:29:55.680 He brought out the old school tie as a reason not to proceed with what to that point had been

00:30:01.560 interesting investigation on his part.

00:30:05.080 Now that raises two questions.

00:30:07.580 Nobody wants to talk about it.

00:30:09.760 Was that what actually motivated Tucker to drop it?

00:30:13.500 Was he ordered to drop it?

00:30:16.360 What?

00:30:16.680 I don't think he's dropped it.

00:30:18.680 No, no, no.

00:30:19.320 Let me.

00:30:19.820 He's had me on.

00:30:20.900 Yeah.

00:30:21.300 Yeah.

00:30:21.780 I think he's a courageous journalist, but I'm telling you, those are questions that are

00:30:27.060 being asked and have been asked.

00:30:28.840 Where is Bobulinski?

00:30:30.540 What happened to him and why?

00:30:32.680 What happened to Tucker Carlson?

00:30:35.280 Well, no.

00:30:36.340 Look, just let me take, I'll take Bobulinski first.

00:30:40.320 Bobulinski is around and thriving.

00:30:43.000 He did his duty and he doesn't want, I mean, he's a private person.

00:30:47.260 He's a businessman.

00:30:48.320 He already, at great cost to himself, stuck his head up before the election.

00:30:54.120 There's nothing in it for him to continue to be a talking man.

00:30:58.140 Let me be clear.

00:30:58.300 If I was, if I, if I did, I were not, if I wasn't, I'm not saying that he in any way

00:31:04.900 has done anything inappropriate.

00:31:06.300 I'm saying with great courage and, as you say, wish to himself, his entire family stood

00:31:11.040 up.

00:31:12.000 Yes.

00:31:12.160 But then in November, disappeared.

00:31:15.340 And what I don't understand is why every reporter covering national politics in this

00:31:21.280 country wasn't talking to him throughout.

00:31:25.600 Well, no, they were.

00:31:27.160 And I mean, can I tell you?

00:31:28.500 I don't want to get sidelined.

00:31:29.500 I don't want to get sidelined with Bobulinski.

00:31:30.940 I want to turn now to Tucker.

00:31:33.180 Okay.

00:31:33.460 But let me just say one thing about Bobulinski.

00:31:35.860 He is talking to reporters off the record.

00:31:38.760 He just doesn't want to be a TV star.

00:31:41.160 And he told Ken Vogel, who was one of the authors of that New York Times piece yesterday,

00:31:47.880 he told Ken Vogel back in October of 2020 that the laptop was legitimate, that the emails

00:31:56.180 were legitimate.

00:31:57.240 Okay.

00:31:57.520 So the New York Times knew.

00:31:59.500 It's not as if Tony Bobulinski has gone into hiding.

00:32:02.280 He just doesn't want to have his face on TV every night.

00:32:05.480 Now, when it comes to Tucker Carlson, every single dealing that I've had with him has been

00:32:10.320 completely on the level with the laptop.

00:32:13.180 He's not hidden anything.

00:32:14.640 He's reported everything as it's coming.

00:32:16.400 He said the evidence.

00:32:17.520 Miranda, I respect you too much to have a discussion about this in this way.

00:32:23.340 Let me, if I may, repurpose my language.

00:32:29.000 One, he said the evidence was stolen.

00:32:32.940 He no longer lost.

00:32:34.940 Excuse me.

00:32:35.940 And he said that he no longer wanted to pursue the story because he and Hunter were old friends.

00:32:43.680 I mean, that's the kind of nonsense, whatever, you know, whatever, that may be true.

00:32:49.560 That's not my memory of that.

00:32:51.600 I mean, it's my memory.

00:32:52.540 My memory of it was that he gave a, on air, he told his viewers what they ought to know and which was going to come out anyway because there were emails between them from him and Hunter on the laptop.

00:33:10.240 But so he just divulged that conflict of interest, which was that back when Hunter and his wife Kathleen were married and when he was sober for a period in Washington, D.C., their wives were friends and they went out to dinner a few times.

00:33:28.020 I mean, you know, Washington, D.C. is a very incestuous place.

00:33:32.220 So I don't think that was best friends.

00:33:35.160 So no one can report on one another in Washington because it's so incestuous?

00:33:39.000 No, but he did report on it.

00:33:41.200 I don't remember him at all pulling any punches.

00:33:44.120 But what he said was he was divulging his own personal interest in it.

00:33:49.320 So and he he found the Hunter Biden story very sad.

00:33:54.540 I mean, if you I find it sad and I didn't even know him. 0.85

00:33:58.700 I think that he's a, you know, a raging addict. 0.83

00:34:02.920 And the real problem is Joe Biden. 0.57

00:34:06.340 And I don't see Hunter, I don't see Tucker Carlson pulling any punches with Joe Biden.

00:34:11.500 And he has me on all the time talking about this story.

00:34:15.700 I know.

00:34:16.120 And he's not sugarcoating it.

00:34:18.300 He's not sugarcoating it now.

00:34:20.080 But he sugarcoated it when it was most important, in my opinion.

00:34:23.920 And by the way, I like Tucker.

00:34:25.640 I love what he's done with his show.

00:34:28.340 And, you know, here's a guy who has just and you've written on this and I've spoken to this on the misinformation, disinformation campaign that was launched against Tucker because he had the temerity to move with a source to say that there were biochemical weapons.

00:34:49.240 In Ukraine, laboratories that had been supported by the United States.

00:34:53.900 And it turns out Victoria Nuland backed him up on that.

00:34:58.620 Right.

00:34:59.760 To a degree.

00:35:01.720 But nonetheless, it's the propaganda was coming from the U.S. Department of Defense, not not just from Russia.

00:35:10.400 Both were working very hard.

00:35:12.160 Do you not agree?

00:35:12.720 Yes, absolutely.

00:35:14.580 And, you know, the attacks on Tucker and on Tulsi Gabbard from not just Democrats, but from people like Mitt Romney and Adam Kinzinger and, of course, all the left-wing media, you know, the ladies on the talk, Whoopi Goldberg and so on, wanting them to be locked up and calling them traitors and saying that they were agents of the Kremlin and assets of Putin.

00:35:43.020 I mean, this is so corrosive to American discourse to leap to the traitor, traitor attack, to leap to the Russian disinformation attack, which they have been doing since at least 2016 when they used it against Donald Trump. 0.61

00:36:02.860 And they crippled the first three years of his presidency by, you know, pretending that he was in collusion with Russia and won the election, as Hillary Clinton said, only because of Vladimir Putin's help, which was ridiculous on the face.

00:36:17.600 And then, you know, now the Hunter Biden laptop, the New York Post, Tony Bobulinski, we were all supposedly agents of Vladimir Putin, and they're still doing it.

00:36:29.840 You know, anything that goes against the Democrats, anything that they don't like, any person they don't like, they just accuse of Russia, Russia, Russia.

00:36:40.180 And they've demonized Russia beyond any rational extent.

00:36:47.520 And I think that part of that demonization of Russia and of Putin, I mean, Putin's obviously a bad guy.

00:36:55.960 He's just invaded Ukraine.

00:36:58.000 But, you know. 0.99

00:36:59.400 He's a horrible guy. 1.00

00:37:01.080 He is killing defenseless people. 0.98

00:37:04.240 He invaded a nation that had done nothing to provoke him, other than be too close to the successor nation to the Soviet Union.

00:37:16.400 I mean, it's outrageous.

00:37:18.720 What I say to you, Miranda, that I agree with Tucker, that there are laboratories there, because I have evidence of it.

00:37:27.600 But the Secretary of State, Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, acknowledged such in front of Congress.

00:37:36.560 So I'm going to assume she wasn't lying about that, at least.

00:37:40.040 Whether they had biochemical weapons within them or were manufactured them, we still don't know.

00:37:45.680 But apparently there is a material there that could be very, very lethal and dangerous should the Russians get a hold of it.

00:37:53.920 But I want to go back to something, because you said your memories and mine talking about Tucker.

00:38:02.200 He, in point of fact, did do a bit more than I think you recall.

00:38:06.940 He basically called for an end to the investigation of Hunter Biden.

00:38:13.760 May I quote what he said?

00:38:15.480 Sure.

00:38:17.320 Hunter Biden is a fallen man at this point.

00:38:20.460 He once knew the younger Biden well.

00:38:22.380 I never thought Hunter was a bad person.

00:38:25.200 I'm going to read it all for context so that everyone can appreciate this.

00:38:28.980 I thought he had demons, but in the time I knew him, he kept them mostly under control.

00:38:33.160 At some point, he lost control of those demons, and the world knows that now.

00:38:37.960 He's now humiliated and alone.

00:38:40.240 Probably too strong to say we feel sorry for Hunter Biden, but the point is,

00:38:45.500 pounding on a man, jumping on it, and piling on when he's already down is something we don't want to be involved in.

00:38:51.720 He was telling everybody to back off, and he was vouchsafing the essential goodness of the man.

00:39:05.100 And by the way, we all know addicts.

00:39:07.960 We have addicts in families all over the country.

00:39:11.760 People know the horror of addiction, but that is not the basis to suspend either your job, your responsibility, or your commitment.

00:39:26.040 Lou, I think you're being very unfair because there's a distinction.

00:39:30.960 Well, I'll tell you why.

00:39:32.020 There's a distinction between the sort of prurient material that was being sent around to everybody at that time.

00:39:41.480 I think some of it was a deliberate disinformation and distraction operation,

00:39:49.060 and I think that there were some Chinese people who were involved in that because it was a Chinese media agency that was doctoring photographs of Hunter Biden to make it look as if he was a pedophile.

00:40:03.460 Now, those photographs, none of them appear on the laptop.

00:40:07.200 There were other photographs that were presented as if it was more evidence of pedophilia.

00:40:12.380 When you look at the actual photographs on the laptop, those photographs are not real.

00:40:16.660 So this is what was being given to Tucker, and that was what Tucker was talking about when he said that.

00:40:25.040 I remember he said that, and it was about compassion and, yes, his own personal thing.

00:40:29.700 I agreed with him.

00:40:31.160 I thought that the obsession with the porn and the crack and all the rest of it was beside the point.

00:40:37.680 It gives the people who are trying to dismiss this as a non-story an excuse.

00:40:43.120 The story is not about Hunter Biden and his demons.

00:40:45.640 Obviously, you have to mention that, as I did in my book, because it proves why no one would give him millions of dollars.

00:40:52.700 No, but the other part of the story, Tucker, is never resiled from, and that is the part that shows that Joe Biden is intimately involved with and orchestrating all the money and the influence peddling coming from Russia and China and Kazakhstan and Ukraine

00:41:13.060 and all those countries that, as vice president, he had power over.

00:41:18.060 He was using Hunter as his bag man.

00:41:21.160 And, you know, that's the real story.

00:41:24.820 It's about Joe Biden, not Hunter Biden.

00:41:26.900 So, for Tucker Carlson to say, you know, I don't want to continue on bringing out this prurient stuff about crackpipes and prostitutes and all the rest of it, which is what I believe that package that got lost was all about.

00:41:42.140 I believe I am truly, I have to say, I don't believe at any time I ever reported anything because I never saw any of the photographic evidence whatsoever.

00:41:53.260 I didn't need to. 0.71

00:41:55.360 I mean, when you tell me that the man is a crack addict, that he has hookers and prostitutes, I don't assume they're going to the public library together. 0.94

00:42:04.900 I don't need photo evidence of that. 0.87

00:42:08.360 But what I do need is for people to just give me a little credit for being able to tell what the real story is.

00:42:15.940 And the real story is that Hunter Biden was the channel and the illumination of the Biden family corruption and the activities of Hunter, crack addict or not, he violated the law in some of the most disgusting ways.

00:42:35.960 But what his father did, what his uncle did, is outrageous.

00:42:42.980 And what the entire intelligence and law enforcement apparatus of the federal government did was to support a man who was actually a traitor to his country because of the acts he committed and those that they covered up in high office.

00:42:59.840 And by the way, being in high office, the vice president of the United States, his misdemeanors become, in my opinion, egregiously felonious and treasonous.

00:43:11.400 He compromised himself before our enemies. 0.72

00:43:15.320 And to say that because his son is a crack addict, we can't touch him.

00:43:20.820 Are you kidding me?

00:43:21.600 That's a rationale for what they did?

00:43:23.480 I don't think so.

00:43:24.800 And God bless Tucker.

00:43:25.900 I support him on the research laboratories in Ukraine as they styled them.

00:43:33.700 But I just can't excuse Tucker anymore in that moment than I can excuse the New York Times, the Secret Service, the CIA.

00:43:45.780 I can't excuse any of them.

00:43:47.220 And I don't give a damn about any other part of it.

00:43:50.600 Our government is threatened by the level of corruption throughout it.

00:43:54.060 It permeates our government.

00:43:58.360 I agree.

00:43:58.940 But I just don't see what Tucker didn't do.

00:44:02.960 I mean, I don't see what he did wrong.

00:44:03.680 I think by dwelling on it, we probably take this way out of proportion.

00:44:07.820 But let me just say to you what I've tried to communicate.

00:44:12.100 We had too many people who, much like Tucker, decided for whatever personal relationship, for whatever else, that they weren't going to pursue it.

00:44:20.680 He announced on October 30th – think back to this, Miranda – on October 30th that no one should pile on, that this is over.

00:44:30.860 No, he said no one should pile on Hunter, not that no one should be investigating the story.

00:44:36.300 I don't know what all that –

00:44:37.300 Not many people did as much as Tucker did in terms of his interview with Tony Bobulinski.

00:44:43.760 I think that interview was crucial.

00:44:46.060 It was wonderful.

00:44:46.860 I don't think I made myself clear.

00:44:48.600 I thought he did terrific leading up to that moment.

00:44:50.800 I just don't know what he thought he did right there.

00:44:53.400 He gave it even more weight that there was nothing to see here.

00:44:57.520 Move along.

00:44:58.640 And they are connected.

00:45:01.220 Joe and Hunter.

00:45:01.620 Well, I personally stopped writing about the porn and the crack once I thought – in my book, once I thought that the readers had enough information so that they understood that this is not a guy you'd give tens of millions of dollars to because he couldn't even tie his own shoelaces.

00:45:18.920 So, you know, I could have written, you know, a whole other book about Hunter Biden himself.

00:45:28.460 Well, if you're going to write about porn and drug usage, I can understand why you'd tire of it very quickly.

00:45:34.680 Yes.

00:45:35.560 Yes.

00:45:36.260 Exactly.

00:45:36.900 Especially after having to wade through it all on the laptop.

00:45:40.660 What a pleasant experience.

00:45:41.800 What I did not envision was getting into an argument over Tucker Carlson's final days running up to the election.

00:45:50.960 Well, I couldn't let his character be besmirched.

00:45:51.500 But what I do want to reestablish is that I think highly of Tucker.

00:45:55.160 I think highly of the work he did up until the moment where he made an emotional and personal decision not to take the evidence that he had and to be straightforward about what was there and pursue it.

00:46:09.860 I would have, and I think his audience would have taken it very, very well for him to say, my God, this guy and I were great buddies.

00:46:18.100 We had families who were close and this kills me, but this is the situation and I have to, as the power of that seat, I have to proceed.

00:46:30.300 Because we had too many people who are not good people, who were backing away from the story.

00:46:37.660 And that's a shame.

00:46:38.240 Well, look, he backed away from personal documents to do with Hunter Biden.

00:46:43.720 I surrendered.

00:46:44.360 You went.

00:46:45.020 I lose.

00:46:45.760 Well, it's just, I don't think it's fair.

00:46:47.580 I just don't want to give it any more time.

00:46:48.700 And I think you should talk to him about it, really, because I don't know what went on.

00:46:52.280 I just know my personal experience with him coming on the show all the time, he's never backed away from attacking Joe Biden where he deserves it over this corruption.

00:47:03.300 So I can't think of any other story that he ever has.

00:47:06.000 That's why it blooms large here, I think.

00:47:09.060 But it's loomed far too large over this conversation.

00:47:12.100 Yes.

00:47:12.440 It's celebratory for you and it's what we mean it to be.

00:47:19.080 Great work.

00:47:19.880 I think you deserve the Pulitzer.

00:47:21.840 And I think if they don't have enough at the Pulitzer Committee, they might just reach back to the Times and take their Russian collusion Pulitzer away and hand it over to you.

00:47:31.320 If there's some sort of scarcity there that they have to contend with.

00:47:35.560 We always give our guests the last word.

00:47:38.420 Miranda, you may take as long as you wish on any subject you wish.

00:47:42.820 Fire away.

00:47:44.400 Well, Lou, I just thank you very much, and especially for your kind words.

00:47:47.740 And you've always been such a rock and courageous about prosecuting every story wherever it goes.

00:47:54.780 So I take my hat off to you.

00:47:57.180 And Pulitzers ought to go to you. 0.94

00:47:59.100 But I think you probably feel the same as I do about the Pulitzer, that it's completely sullied.

00:48:04.560 The fact that the Washington Post and the New York Times were showered with the Pulitzer Prize for their dishonest reporting of the Russia collusion story that was so damaging to the Trump administration, so damaging to America.

00:48:21.660 And I think that says it all.

00:48:26.340 But there's also the little matter of the Pulitzer that the Times got in, I think it was 1934, for Walter Durante.

00:48:35.600 Do you remember that?

00:48:36.460 Oh, absolutely.

00:48:37.040 When he was writing about how wonderful Stalin was.

00:48:39.440 It was just pure Russian propaganda talking about, you know, Russian disinformation.

00:48:46.020 Yeah.

00:48:46.900 So he won the Pulitzer there.

00:48:49.280 And I don't think, to this day, the New York Times has given that Pulitzer back.

00:48:53.720 So I just, I think that if, not that they would ever give me or you a Pulitzer in a million years, but who would want to belong to that club?

00:49:05.880 I think it would be sullied.

00:49:07.680 And if it were ever to happen, I would reject it.

00:49:10.020 Well, you know what, if they have any integrity on that committee, they will do two things.

00:49:16.520 They will retrieve those Pulitzers, since the Times doesn't have the integrity to return them.

00:49:23.440 And secondly, they will hand you yours and test your force of will at that moment.

00:49:30.260 I know you will turn it back, but I think they should do it anyway, because you do deserve it, and they know it, and shame on them.

00:49:37.960 So, Miranda Devine, you're terrific.

00:49:41.260 You're a great American.

00:49:42.440 We appreciate your time.

00:49:44.380 And I swear our next discussion, I will not raise a single objection about anything.

00:49:50.580 No, you can object to everything, but I just, you know, I like Tucker a lot, and I believe in his integrity.

00:49:59.340 Well, I do, too.

00:50:01.500 Yeah.

00:50:02.300 I just don't believe that in that instance, well, the simple truth is I would have preferred he got a different direction.

00:50:09.400 Yeah.

00:50:09.720 I think we could leave it with that.

00:50:10.760 Fair enough, yes.

00:50:11.740 And I'm glad he did go the right direction with those research laboratories and stood up to all of the nonsense that was being spewed at him from every quarter.

00:50:21.120 But not this quarter.

00:50:22.280 See, we support people.

00:50:23.680 We sometimes disagree with people.

00:50:26.900 I know you haven't heard that.

00:50:27.880 Which is the way it should be.

00:50:29.780 That I ever disagree with anyone.

00:50:32.200 Anyway, you're great.

00:50:34.260 And thank you so much.

00:50:35.320 Good on you, Lou.

00:50:36.260 Thank you.

00:50:37.100 Thanks, Miranda, for being with us.

00:50:38.980 Thanks for the spirited conversation, and congratulations on your splendid reporting throughout the terrific book, Laptop from Hell, which we recommend to everybody.

00:50:50.120 And thank you, everybody, for being with us.

00:50:52.560 Tomorrow, the chairman of the Conservative Partnership Institute joins us.

00:50:56.620 Jim DeMint believes the Republican Party must put their agenda before the American people in the upcoming campaign for the midterms.

00:51:04.600 And DeMint praises Senator Rick Scott for going against Senator Mitch McConnell and putting out his own 11-point agenda.

00:51:13.440 We'll be taking all of that and more up tomorrow.

00:51:16.420 Please be with us.

00:51:17.440 Till then, God bless you.

00:51:19.960 And God bless America.

The Great America Show - March 19, 2022

DEVINE SAYS 2020 ELECTION WAS RIGGED; TWITTER, FB CENSORED LAPTOP RPTS

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