Russ Tice is a former senior NSA intel analyst and whistleblower who blew the whistle on the Patriot Act in order to expose the government spying on American citizens. He has been a friend of the show for many years and has been with us on The Great America Show since the early days of The show.
00:04:15.140You know, being a former Air Force guy myself, we all know that if, you know, I wasn't in the field as far as, you know, combat.
00:04:24.900But, you know, I was out there spying on the bad guys.
00:04:27.700But if your CEO tells you you're going into a village and all there's all women and children and then your CEO tells you to go kill those women and children, you know inherently that is an illegal order and you should not follow it.
00:04:43.820But if you're being told because you hate, you've been imbued with whatever and you're told you must hate Donald Trump, you can't follow.
00:04:54.880He is the commander in chief if you're in the military.
00:04:57.540And even if you don't like the man, your job is to follow orders and carry out those orders.
00:05:04.340If you're enlisted and you don't like it, wait till your enlistment is over and leave the service.
00:05:09.760If you're an officer, then resign if you're so, you know, embroiled that you hate the man so bad that you can't.
00:05:18.680But, you know, and then these people say, oh, well, we have your back.
00:05:57.200And that's something every time I see was a Jim Jordan come out and say, we need more whistleblowers.
00:06:02.200And I'd like to I want to next time, please, next time you talk to him, say, what about the fact that none of these people have any protections under the whistleblower laws?
00:06:12.440It makes it hard for anyone to want to come forward and do the right thing.
00:06:17.640And, you know, speaking of Jim Jordan, it was revealed yesterday that Biden's DOJ subpoenaed Jim Jordan's phone records for more than two years, Russ.
00:06:28.380The Democrats, I posted this on my Twitter yesterday because it's so true.
00:06:32.120And I was like pretty much like I don't sometimes I like wonder if we're the ones who are idiots or if the Democrats are the ones who are idiots and they're just or we're idiots for being gaslit by the Democrats because everything they do, Russ, they flip it right around back on us.
00:06:47.000And the Republicans just sit there and, you know, they put their hands up with waving the white flag of surrender.
00:06:52.060And you're like, dude, six U.S. members of the federal government just came out and told the members of the intel community and our military to disobey orders from the president of the United States.
00:07:05.500And then President Trump comes out and says this is a seditious conspiracy and these people, you know, need to be held accountable for it.
00:07:13.480And then somebody commented on it that Washington would have them sentenced to death.
00:07:17.220Then they're going out all these six of them and posting on Twitter, Russ, and saying we're going to be killed.
00:07:23.480We're going to be killed. They're coming to kill us. Donald Trump is.
00:07:26.280Well, last I checked, Donald Trump was the one who was nearly assassinated twice, maybe three times.
00:07:31.280I mean, is this like the biggest simulation being run on the American people in the history of this country with the Democrats?
00:07:38.840It's incredible. And, you know, right in our Constitution, it mentions treason.
00:07:43.360You know, if you do this, it's sedition to get all these people to get together and try to force this issue.
00:07:49.220But if you do this, you're committing treason.
00:07:52.780So and guess what? That is punishable by a rope around your neck.
00:07:59.620So if you don't want to be in the military these days, we don't have a draft and you don't like the man, get out.
00:08:07.520But it's a matter of fact, a lot of these people, we probably prefer that they get out because of the some of the practices of some of the people they had in the military in the four years before President Trump in this term in 2.0, 2.1.
00:08:23.480But so it's like I said, we have your back.
00:08:31.120Come on. You know, do you really think if a soldier, an airman or a sailor or a Marine were to pull this off and say, well, well, I politically don't agree.
00:08:43.400And so I couldn't follow that order from that man that I hate so much.
00:08:47.500Do you really think that these people are going to care about this person when they're being court-martialed?
00:08:57.600Yeah, I mean, any job, Russ, you could be working at McDonald's if you defy orders, you'd be fired.
00:09:02.840I mean, anywhere you go, you defy orders, you're fired, whereas these people, it's just mind-blowing to me that these people just gaslight and gaslight and gaslight and the Republicans just sit there dumbfounded because they're absolute total fools and idiots.
00:09:17.840Donald Trump seems to be the only person in Washington, D.C., among some of the other people in his cabinet who are doing a terrific job, who actually has a brain to tell the American people.
00:09:28.140I mean, it's crazy to me to think that this is where we're at now in society and the Democrats continue to run their gaslighting operation.
00:09:37.340They're out here now saying that Donald Trump is undermining, he has undermined and politicized our spy agencies.
00:09:45.820During a House floor speech, Senator Mark Warner of Virginia said that Trump has rewarded loyalty over competence and purged experienced intel officers, including the former head of the NSA.
00:09:59.840He also noted that deep cuts to the intel agencies have shuttered efforts to combat foreign disinformation while reducing cyber defenses.
00:10:08.020You know, Russ, to me, it's funny that he mentions he mentions foreign people that we're supposed to be spying on, because last time I checked, Russ, the only spying I've heard from our intel agencies have been on American people, nothing foreign.
00:10:39.820And it says right in our directives, you will not do this against American citizens.
00:10:44.320When I was in there, every six months you had to go through this.
00:10:48.400I mean, it was like the security would send the thing around that, you know, you got to follow, you got to read this, you got to sign it.
00:10:53.480And it's like, it becomes repetitive, but every intelligence officer at NSA had to sign that document.
00:11:00.320It's called a USID 18 document that you had to follow.
00:11:06.640And they would say that if you do this, it's $5,000 by and five years in prison for one incident, for one, if you did this.
00:11:16.840So, and then, then it was done in mass when, when, when Hayden got in there on, on, on tens of millions of US citizens.
00:11:29.600And then, and then of course, has he ever been held accountable?
00:11:33.020And then Alexander gets in there, does the same thing with, with Obama, who triple, who, who, who, who, when he was a candidate, said he was going to stop this stuff because someone reported that there was going on.
00:11:44.700Gee, who was that? Oh, might've been me, you know, Obama candidate when he become president, he, he's no longer, he's now, he's in the pocket of, of the, the, uh, the deep state and the intelligence service.
00:12:00.840Why? I, I believe because NSA, I know NSA spied on Obama in 2004 and all his phone numbers and all his, his email.
00:12:09.200And I think he, they got dirt on him. He's being blackmailed.
00:12:13.960I think Obama was blackmailed. And that's why all of a sudden candidate Obama was totally different than president Obama.
00:12:19.800What do you think they blackmailed him with? I know we had someone come out, uh, now actually, I believe he passed away.
00:12:26.460It was a man, he said he knew Obama from back in Chicago that alleged he had, uh, sex with Obama.
00:12:32.040This was a man. Um, I don't know if you saw that.
00:12:34.460He did an interview, uh, maybe two years ago. And like I said, I think he's now, uh, passed away. Um, what, what would they possibly be blackmailing him on?
00:13:02.080Does he have a few coins now? Uh, and then there's, uh, his lineage, whether it was, had something to do with, you know, who his father was.
00:13:10.740There's another question mark. Um, some people think it wasn't the guy who said it was his father.
00:13:17.320It was somebody else who may have been like a radical, you know, terrorist or something or other.
00:13:23.520I have no idea, but I think he's being blackmailed.
00:13:29.340It's interesting. It's truly, you know, speaking of his corruption, I I've, I've been interviewed before Rod Bogoyevich, uh, who, in my opinion, you know, I, I joked with him.
00:13:39.380I said, you know, for the longest time, Rod, I said, I was a kid back when you were going through your legal issues.
00:13:44.220And I was like, you know, I remember watching it with my dad on TV on, on Fox news, you being pulled out of your house.
00:13:49.700And I'm like, that guy looks like an evil villain.
00:13:52.300You look at Rod and he looks like an evil villain.
00:13:54.600He is the nicest man you will ever meet the most kind hearted, just a really, really good guy.
00:14:06.960And we're actually going to have him back because he's got a new book coming out.
00:14:09.940But I went in and after, you know, everything had happened to President Trump pardoned him, I said, you know, I always thought you were guilty.
00:14:50.140So whatever Matt they wanted, it doesn't matter how you get to, to 10, if it's, you know, nine plus one or eight plus two or five plus five.
00:14:57.780They still get to the number they want.
00:15:00.620And what was done to that man was abhorrent and absolutely disgusting.
00:15:04.220And it was all at the hands of Barack Hussein Obama.
00:16:01.480But after 2016, Russ, as Lou Dobbs used to say, we crossed the penumbra and we got to a point where I think everything is on the table to question the war in Iraq.
00:16:15.480I mean, go down the list of everything we've done because we watched what an intel community we watched what a corrupt judiciary, a corrupt government could do to the most powerful man of the free world, the soon to be most powerful man of the free world.
00:16:33.900There's still, Russ, to this day, been no repercussions, no retribution, if you want to call it what the Democrats call it, no justice for any of these people who committed treason, Russ.
00:16:48.980Well, think about recently, this kid, Thomas Cooks, no one knows about, and they scrubbed the roof of that building and they cremate his body, El Cuico, and then they say he has no social media and he's a 17 or 20-year-old kid or so.
00:17:10.140And like, you know, so, you know, I think I mentioned this before, I tried to contact a source, everybody's done, it was Bongino, three years, I was like three and a half, almost more than three years ago now.
00:17:27.380And I told, I was going to tell him that they were going to try to kill him, the intel community would try to kill President Trump, and I was going to tell him how he was going to try to, they was going to do it.
00:17:38.400And the reason I contacted him, because I knew they would have to have at least one person in the Secret Service that would be an inside man or woman, gee, maybe the woman that ran the place, that was a big Cheney fan.
00:17:51.480Of course, Dick Cheney hated President Trump.
00:17:56.520So, I was trying to, I was going to try to tell, and the other thing I thought, maybe they would try to go after his airplane with some mechanical thing, but I was going to tell him, I was going to tell Bongino all the ways
00:18:07.460that they would try to kill him, you know, being an intel guy and knowing that we killed people.
00:18:14.820I mean, you know what, I'll bet you dollars to donuts, Dan Bongino is thinking to himself right now, gee, that guy should maybe listen to him and maybe had a meeting with him way back when.
00:18:25.960The crazy thing about it, Russ, is the way that they tried to kill him is probably not even a way that you were thinking about, because it was way too simple.
00:18:32.240And you'd have to think to yourself, like, no, there's no way that any man would ever be able to get into any kind of proximity, you know, to the president with any sort of gun, any sort of rifle.
00:18:46.880And it definitely wasn't on my bingo card.
00:18:49.160You know, you've been right about just about every single thing you've told us, and you've been ahead of the curve on so many damn things.
00:18:54.900You told us a year before on this show with Lou that they were going to try to kill him.
00:19:00.020And, you know, there was no hyperbole about it.
00:19:02.280You were very serious and you were very succinct in it.
00:19:05.480And lo and behold, you know, a year later, they tried it twice.
00:19:09.700Well, the big thing with Bongino was to let him know that there's probably going to be an inside person at Secret Service that would be involved in this.
00:19:20.100And the key would be to wheedle out that person and find out ultimately.
00:19:25.360Of course, these are his own brethren and sister.
00:19:28.000I'm not sure I could use the word sister.
00:19:30.880But sisters that are in the Secret Service.
00:19:33.660And, you know, he thinks that they could do like the FBI thought that no one could ever be a spy in the FBI.
00:19:43.240And we find out the one guy they crucified with the spying that was done, letting loose all the operatives we had in Russia.
00:19:55.540Wasn't that poor CIA guy that they crucified.
00:20:02.760And it was it was the FBI that was doing it themselves.
00:20:06.200And they didn't subject themselves to polygraphs.
00:20:09.320Not that polygraphs can be beaten, but still.
00:20:12.560So, you know, you have this mentality that no one in my in my group could be possibly be involved in this because, you know, we're we're we're saints and we're above anything like that.
00:20:23.640But that's why I wanted Bongino to tell him it's going to be an inside man.
00:20:28.540And and think about it at the on the roof.
00:20:32.060If this the counter snipers that were there, that was the very first time that they those counter snipers were ever employed by the Secret Service.
00:20:41.980Well, why would why would why potentially would they be the first time you had counter snipers and an event that potentially allowed this kid to get where he was because the CIA had him on psychotropic psychotropic drugs to convince him to do this thing?
00:20:59.120And and because you want to make sure he's dead after he commits the crime, you have to be dead.
00:21:08.000And then the FBI sweeps, you know, gets rid of all the evidence and NSA wipes.
00:21:12.780There's one agency that can wipe away all your all your electronic background.
00:21:26.080And and and the Secret Service was complicit by having one or two or more inside people that were involved in making sure that happened.
00:21:34.180And that's how I think they went after President Trump.
00:21:42.360They knew this guy was walking around hours, not minutes, not seconds, hours before President Trump came on that stage with a golf range finder, which for those of you who don't play golf, you probably live a very happy life, a very stress free life.
00:21:59.060If you do play golf, you probably live a very stressful life like myself, but it's a it's it's pretty much like a I don't know if it's a binocular or a monocular, but it's a single thing that you look through and it'll give you a you can press a button on it and you zone it in on on something and it'll tell you how far away it is.
00:22:16.740So, you know, if you're 100 yards out from the green, you hit the pin and boom.
00:22:19.980So this kid knew he was walking around for hours, pinging things with his little range finder to see, you know, do I take 100 yard shot here?
00:22:29.980Is this what I practice? Do I take 150 yard shot, a 200 yard shot?
00:22:35.640They sent his picture around and somehow.
00:22:39.620For the matter of 10 or 20 minutes, they let him out of their sight and he gets on that roof with a ladder, the whole thing stinks to high heavens.
00:22:47.780And you know what? Not a word about it until Tucker Carlson.
00:22:51.780Now you can say what you want. There's people who love Tucker.
00:22:53.900There's people who hate Tucker. Tucker's a friend of mine.
00:22:55.920I love Tucker. I think he's a great journalist.
00:22:58.340I think he does a terrific job and what people are doing to him right now, I think is disgusting.
00:23:03.660But Tucker Carlson puts out a 30 minute documentary last week on it.
00:23:09.260And that's when we hear from Cash Patel at the FBI about the work they've done on it.
00:23:14.580And I mean, it shouldn't have to be this way, Russ, that Tucker Carlson, a private citizen, has to do his own due diligence to lay out this kid's YouTube videos.
00:23:24.340The meta. I mean, Tucker, I don't know if you saw it, but he goes through this.
00:23:27.100It's a 30 minute long video metadata, Russ, on everything to know where these videos were taken.
00:23:32.140He sees that there were videos posted from his parents' house, his accounts, posts on Reddit about him being a Trump supporter and then him flipping during COVID, you know, taking this extreme vaccine stat.
00:23:46.000All of this stuff that the FBI told us didn't exist, Tucker Carlson, a private citizen, was able to bring out.
00:24:08.260The sources aren't as good as what the FBI and CIA have, Russ.
00:24:11.360And I'd like to believe that Dan Bongino is working diligently on finding the truth in the background and that hopefully very soon he'll come out and say, this is what we know and we've pinned down these people and arrest them and try them and hang them.
00:24:28.680Or it's best, you know, prosecute them to the utmost.
00:24:33.840But I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that's what's going on.
00:24:40.720But, you know, they might stick that way.
00:24:46.020So, you know, what do you sit back and wait?
00:24:49.760And this was against our president's life.
00:24:52.760You know, I imagine the president himself would be kind of curious as to who tried to kill him.
00:24:58.060And if it is his own intelligence service that tried to kill him, maybe he'd be interested in firing the people that were involved and having the Department of what used to be Department of Injustice, hopefully it's now the Department of Justice, to prosecute these people and bring it out to the American people.
00:25:17.120The American people need to know, too, the truth about who tried to kill him.
00:25:20.560That guy at the golf course down in Florida, I looked at I looked at all information over.
00:25:28.340I don't think he had anybody working with him coming from donors because he was working with trying to recruit folks for the war in Ukraine.
00:25:37.920But the case of this Thomas Crooks kid, this is still, it reeks, it just reeks of an intel operation.
00:26:04.740Speaking of government work and shadow work on behalf of the CIA, there's some in reports, Russ, from various different people.
00:26:14.520As we still don't have the pipe bomber, the January 6th pipe bomber who planted bombs at the DNC, the RNC, and, you know, all around that area.
00:26:23.880It's being alleged that this person may, we won't say the name, but this person may or may not have been a Capitol police officer who then went to go work for the CIA after this mission was completed.
00:26:40.940Now, I have not been able to verify it.
00:26:43.360This is what's being reported by some people.
00:26:47.800Does that sound like a likely scenario?
00:26:52.460Well, the whole thing, the way it went down, it reeks of this being some kind of operation to take emphasis away from what was going on at Capitol Hill.
00:27:04.160And the fact that some congressmen could actually challenge the 2020 vote because of what was most likely some very sneaky things that were going on, you know, in the electorate and the voting processes of a lot of these swing states.
00:27:21.020You know, all the swing states at 1030, they in unison shut down their county.
00:27:29.660And I remember I was with my wife and as soon as I heard that, I looked at my wife and I said, this is rigged.
00:27:38.860Or it was in Philadelphia where they put up the big cardboard things so the viewers couldn't see what was going on.
00:27:47.600I'm like, I knew it was, I knew something was going on.
00:27:52.100I knew this was some sneaky business going on.
00:27:55.520And then all of a sudden, suppose a truck's pulling up at three o'clock in the morning full of ballots and stuff, you know, and the truck driver.
00:28:04.340Whatever happened to that truck driver, by the way?
00:28:06.720I've been trying to get him on the show.
00:28:08.680He's good friends with Tony Schaefer, a friend of the show.
00:28:11.680And Tony's been working on getting him on the show.
00:28:14.320Jesse Morgan's been totally vindicated.
00:29:01.240I mean, you can't go into an alley and duck behind a dumpster if you've been drinking too much beer to relieve yourself without a camera being on you.
00:29:11.140All they have to do is just follow all the cameras where this person went.
00:29:17.820They have this technology where they can track the gait of someone, how they walk, and that's how they're ultimately determining that this Capitol Police person may be the one with high accuracy, supposedly.
00:30:49.100He said he was staying at the Hay-Adams and, you know, he'd stick his phone out the window and he was taking, you know, pictures and stuff like that.
00:30:55.320And within 10 minutes, he gets a bang on the door.
00:30:59.160Now, I'm going to reiterate this 25 years ago from the White House.
00:31:02.600And they want to know what the hell he's doing and why he keeps sticking his something out the window.
00:34:12.580And just as you did that, I picked up the phone and I texted Ty Clevenger, who was the attorney who's been spearheading this thing from day one.
00:34:22.820I got to get him on the show next week.
00:34:23.940He's been busy, but I got to get him on the show next week because I want to get an update on why the FBI continues to stonewall and not turn over the documents regarding this.
00:34:34.400I mean, it's just such a, you know, disservice to this country, a disservice to everybody to not get answers to, you know, just some of the biggest things, you know, that this country, you know, has ever went through.
00:34:51.340But, you know, they try to sweep it under the rug.
00:34:55.800I remember when President Trump was elected this most recent time and then this a year ago, I told you that the intel service would be, you know, burning bags and mulching material and shredding things and mulching things into pizza boxes from probably 24-7 until they could get rid of as much as they could.
00:35:19.640And now we find out the FBI has this secret skiff full of burn bags that Patel and company didn't have no clue about, which more than likely he was told existed because of a whistleblower.
00:35:32.240So it's like, oh, and gee, now we're finding out that in that trove of documents, they've got Epstein documents that the FBI was trying to destroy stuff that they knew on Epstein.
00:35:44.840Were they covering once again for the CIA?
00:35:47.900And what, because Epstein was 100%, as far as I'm concerned, he was assassinated.
00:35:56.100And the only people that could pull that off would be our intelligence service.
00:36:00.320So he got killed by our IC and then the FBI did everything they could to cover that up and shred and, you know, that's how I see it.
00:36:09.180But the fact that there's little enclaves and little niches and, you know, areas in the FBI that our current, you know, director and deputy director don't know about, I find that very disturbing.
00:36:25.220Before we wrap up, Russ, I want to talk about something else that you'd mentioned to me that was a little bit disturbing.
00:36:36.200And it's a man, I guess, was maybe a counterpart to using Intel analyst doing a little bit of spying American citizen.
00:36:47.880He was sparring for another nation, Jonathan Pollard, who's now been invited, as I understand, to meet with Mike Huckabee, I guess pardoned by Barack Obama.
00:37:00.000Your thoughts on this as a man who, you know, blew the whistle on spying on American people as this man was doing that.
00:37:07.960You know, I worked for three years in a Navy shop and I was an Air Force guy, so I had to endure all the Air Force jokes from my Navy squid brethren and Marines for that matter.
00:37:18.740But I got to learn a whole lot of Navy stuff and I had dealt with some old salty dogs that were way back when and they told me this guy gave away everything.
00:38:32.760And the fact that Israel, you know, as much money as we send their way is spying on us.
00:38:37.420Yeah, I understand everybody spies on everybody.
00:38:39.540You know, I could tell you some interesting stories, especially one about France.
00:38:43.080But it's, you know, this is above the pale.
00:38:51.660You know, and then the Lord knows what the Israelis were doing with a lot of that information.
00:38:55.500So, I'm livid, I'm furious, and the fact that Huckabee, you know, Huckabee Finn is over there having adventures, you know, entertaining this traitor.
00:39:13.140I believe Huckabee should be fired immediately, right now.