The Great America Show - DOBBS SAYS WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR PRESIDENT, OUR COUNTRY AND THE RULE OF LAW

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show.

00:00:04.840 Welcome to the show, and hang on.

00:00:07.080 The world, you may have noticed, is spinning a little faster these days

00:00:11.180 following what may be the pivotal moment in deciding our republic's future.

00:00:16.920 The Marxist Dems' official secret police, the FBI, 0.80

00:00:21.360 raided the Mar-a-Lago offices of President Trump,

00:00:24.640 and it's the raid heard round the world.

00:00:27.340 We're no longer just the United States. We're the divided states now.

00:00:32.560 This is, without a doubt, a war that is in the open.

00:00:36.520 Good versus evil, the Constitution versus lawlessness,

00:00:40.880 the Biden White House, the Marxist Dems, and the deep state

00:00:44.160 against America's citizens, Republicans, and patriots

00:00:48.820 who stand against this corrupt government, and God help us all.

00:00:53.100 The FBI used a Florida magistrate judge, one who doesn't have authority over felony cases,

00:01:00.440 to sign a search warrant that allowed the FBI to confiscate boxes of Trump's papers and documents,

00:01:07.800 a mad abuse of power by both the FBI and the tool of a magistrate.

00:01:13.080 By the way, that magistrate worked previously for Jeffrey Epstein.

00:01:16.820 He was selected by a committee of judges to be a magistrate in southern Florida,

00:01:22.200 not appointed by a president.

00:01:24.960 This is, on every level, obviously ugly.

00:01:28.720 And if you love this country, get ready for what will be a wide-ranging, long-lasting fight for the country.

00:01:35.160 And let's fight as fiercely as the Marxist Dems,

00:01:38.580 who obviously mean to destroy America, and you and me.

00:01:43.020 What brought all of this on?

00:01:45.860 We don't know for sure, but it could be the latest revelation

00:01:48.800 that the Justice Department and the FBI refused to honor President Trump's release

00:01:55.620 of all of the documents related to the so-called Russia hoax

00:01:59.320 on the last day of his presidency, January 19, 2021.

00:02:04.780 Those documents declassified by President Trump,

00:02:08.220 including the FBI surveillance of Trump, and their effort to frame him.

00:02:13.960 Where are those documents, you ask, if he declassified them and ordered them released?

00:02:18.820 Well, the FBI and the Department of Justice made certain that they were never released,

00:02:23.580 and obviously Biden's Justice Department hasn't said a word, nor produced a single document.

00:02:30.120 But Judicial Watch is seeking those documents and more.

00:02:34.020 Also seeking documents pertaining to Hunter Biden.

00:02:37.660 Our guest is Tom Fenton, president of Judicial Watch,

00:02:41.520 one of the most important government watchdog organizations in America.

00:02:45.400 And Tom, it's great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show.

00:02:50.360 Let's start with your reaction to what has transpired.

00:02:54.860 The president of the United States raided by these agents of the FBI.

00:03:01.720 The country is boiling over this.

00:03:04.600 Your reaction.

00:03:05.540 Your reaction.

00:03:07.660 Well, our republic is under attack, Lou.

00:03:10.480 You know, I know all of D.C. is talking about presidential records and classified information.

00:03:16.980 And as we know from past experience, they don't care about that.

00:03:19.960 They just care about misusing the law and misusing authorities entrusted to them by the American people

00:03:27.280 to abuse and target President Trump.

00:03:30.100 And you now have this unprecedented raid on the home of President Trump using armed agents of the FBI.

00:03:37.660 At least three attorneys with Garland's Justice Department were there as well.

00:03:42.320 And, you know, there's been nothing like it before in American history.

00:03:47.080 And, you know, this is on top of the Pelosi Congress trying to get access to his confidential tax records,

00:03:56.600 the unprecedented assault out of New York.

00:03:59.260 He's being forced into having to take the Fifth Amendment because of all these abuses of power.

00:04:04.920 And you've got some hack prosecutors, some Democrat prosecutor in Georgia trying to prosecute people for disputing an election,

00:04:13.240 namely and, you know, with the target of ultimately being Trump.

00:04:16.300 So I'm not aware of any other citizen in American history who's had so much abuse directed at him by federal and prosecutors throughout the nation.

00:04:26.740 And, you know, every president and every elected official from here on end, you know, has to worry,

00:04:34.220 is this the way we're going to be treated?

00:04:36.220 And Americans have to worry if the federal government's doing this, you know, can we trust them to do anything?

00:04:41.660 And even I think some leftists are a little bit nervous about the way things are going because they recognize that, you know,

00:04:49.280 maybe all the guardrails are being torn up and no one will be protected.

00:04:52.860 There are no guardrails now.

00:04:54.640 I think we can all agree on that.

00:04:56.760 There are no laws that are boundaries for the FBI, for the Department of Justice.

00:05:01.980 We've talked about the deep state, the administrative state.

00:05:04.660 This is abject warfare being conducted by the Marxist Dems who've taken over the Democrat Party 0.78

00:05:11.860 and certainly are the masters of this puppet president.

00:05:17.440 We have to, as we watch what happened, when we see this video repeat itself over and over

00:05:23.700 with these 30 agents confiscating boxes,

00:05:27.560 Do you believe they broke laws, any specific law that was broken?

00:05:35.860 His constitutional rights, President Trump's constitutional rights were violated egregiously, I believe.

00:05:41.920 But your thoughts on specific laws?

00:05:45.700 You know, if they were lying about the reasons for the raid or they had ulterior purposes

00:05:51.480 or political motives behind it, arguably they were in violation of the law.

00:05:56.180 But you know how it goes, Lou.

00:05:59.060 They will have checked all the boxes.

00:06:01.900 They will have a court and rubber stamp the investigation.

00:06:07.820 They will point to laws that have never been enforced the way they're talking about

00:06:12.140 and certainly wouldn't apply in these circumstances as justification to rationalize this abuse of power.

00:06:19.640 You know, people compare us, you know, they say we're a banana republic when we do this.

00:06:24.180 It's actually worse than a banana republic.

00:06:26.180 Because in a banana republic, there's no pretense, right? 0.82

00:06:30.740 They know what's going on.

00:06:32.140 They know it's like, yeah, this is the political opposition and this is what we do in a banana republic.

00:06:37.820 We abuse them.

00:06:39.260 Here they're pretending that the rule of law is being implemented and being applied

00:06:43.940 and search warrants authorized by the court are being enforced per the law.

00:06:49.880 No.

00:06:51.260 Banana republics have no pretense.

00:06:52.920 Because here we're pretending and lying that the rule of law is applying when they know better.

00:06:59.920 And one thing we do always know is that Judicial Watch will be asserting the law.

00:07:07.040 You are seeking documents right now to figure out what happened

00:07:13.760 and why President Trump's declaration of that, well, it's his order that those crossfire hurricane documents would be released,

00:07:26.820 that we would know about the origin of Russiagate and Russia collusion.

00:07:31.780 And mysteriously, his orders on the next to last day of his presidency were dismissed by the deep state.

00:07:39.920 Your thoughts?

00:07:40.400 You know, we have the FBI hiding documents that were authorized to be released by Trump as he was leaving office.

00:07:51.220 The Justice Department obviously involved in that.

00:07:53.740 It's basically the same agency.

00:07:55.520 They pretend they're different agencies, but one's the dog, the other's the tail.

00:08:01.060 And it sometimes varies who's – which is which.

00:08:04.760 Right.

00:08:04.940 But, you know, is the FBI going to raid itself to enforce the rule of law here?

00:08:09.180 I mean, when we're suing the Justice Department and the FBI for documents that the American people have lawful access to

00:08:14.940 or should be able to, and they're denying it, who enforces the law against them?

00:08:19.760 That's the hypocrisy here.

00:08:21.320 This Justice Department is one of the biggest violators of transparency federal law there is.

00:08:29.800 And yet they purport to go around and harass Trump over documents that he has the lawful right to retain as president of the United States,

00:08:40.180 his personal records.

00:08:41.760 And there's a dispute about those records, and they pretend that they need to raid him on that while they are protecting records,

00:08:49.040 that there's no dispute to be lawfully released.

00:08:51.580 This is – you know, this isn't just like whether they apply the laws equally to Hillary versus Trump versus Biden.

00:09:00.840 This is whether they even follow the laws themselves.

00:09:03.860 I mean the federal agencies.

00:09:06.320 Right.

00:09:07.380 And an early view is no, they do not.

00:09:14.520 That was definitely a rhetorical question.

00:09:17.320 I perceived that right away.

00:09:22.700 And you're exactly right.

00:09:25.020 But let's – I would like to just turn to one other aspect, and that is what your view is of the future here.

00:09:32.740 What does happen to President Trump?

00:09:35.600 What can he do?

00:09:37.740 And what should we, the American people who love this country, who care about our great republic and our great president,

00:09:46.100 what should we be doing?

00:09:49.600 Well, we should be demanding accountability and, if necessary, significant reform,

00:09:58.860 if not essential reimagining of the FBI and the Justice Department.

00:10:05.080 I mean, they can't be trusted.

00:10:08.060 You know, allegedly they have a law enforcement responsibility.

00:10:12.380 But, as I note, they can't be trusted to administer it fairly when it comes to politicians.

00:10:18.240 And the way they operate, they operate in a way that makes them a threat to our constitutional system of government.

00:10:24.720 So if that's the case, they should be defunded or torn apart in terms of what they're able to do because they can't be trusted anymore.

00:10:35.480 You know, it's like the IRS.

00:10:36.760 What do we do about the IRS?

00:10:37.900 Well, you know, it's a loaded gun aimed at the heart of our civil liberties and our republican form of government.

00:10:45.000 You remove it.

00:10:46.040 You know, you remove it from the House.

00:10:49.940 And the same goes for the FBI and DOJ.

00:10:53.680 There's a demonstrated record of them being an attack dog for the lawless amongst us in our government.

00:11:02.300 And we've got to take that weapon away from them.

00:11:04.540 I couldn't agree with you more.

00:11:07.900 Right now, the Department of Justice is to justice what the Department of Homeland Security is to the border security with Mexico.

00:11:22.340 I mean, it's just it's awful what we are witnessing.

00:11:25.360 Yeah, it doesn't you know, those agencies names reflect their targets, not what they're supposed to be enforcing.

00:11:32.240 And now, Tom, I'd like to turn to Hunter Biden.

00:11:36.860 Judicial Watch has sued to to get travel documents from the Secret Service, various other documents relating to Hunter Biden.

00:11:45.000 And I understand that apparently the Secret Service is having, well, at least their clerical staff, some considerable trouble finding documents that you're asking for.

00:11:57.040 Your thoughts?

00:11:59.760 Yeah, isn't that interesting?

00:12:00.860 What's really interesting, Lou, is that they're giving us records about Joe Biden's travels, but not his son.

00:12:09.600 Oh, man.

00:12:10.860 So that tells us that there's something up.

00:12:13.260 And, you know, it was not just one request.

00:12:16.000 I think it was three requests.

00:12:18.040 And, you know, this is basic information.

00:12:20.200 We've been doing this since the Obama administration, trying to figure out some of the costs of presidential travel.

00:12:26.300 We did it in the Trump administration as well.

00:12:29.200 And the fact that they're holding these documents up from up is, to me, an indication there's something they don't want to share with us.

00:12:38.160 I mean, I've been doing this too long than to do anything but conclude otherwise.

00:12:43.320 So are you optimistic that they're going to be produced because the Secret Service seems to be a citadel of autonomy and indifference to oversight and the rest of government?

00:12:59.460 Well, it's almost that bad, if not that bad.

00:13:02.900 Oh, I think we're going to get records.

00:13:05.620 You know, these are the type of records, as I said, we've got experience in figuring out what we're able to get under the law from the Secret Service.

00:13:13.400 Now, they've gotten a little bit more restrictive over the years and sometimes not cooperative.

00:13:17.160 But this isn't our first radio.

00:13:20.340 And I think we're going to get the records.

00:13:22.320 The question is just when.

00:13:24.200 Well, if you have no sense of when, are you confident that you'll get what you're looking for?

00:13:32.780 And what can you tell us about what you're really looking for in those records?

00:13:36.960 Well, to the degree the records tell us where and how much, you know, first of all, they tell us how much we've been spending.

00:13:43.380 But also where we've been spending it, which I think is going to be a great interest, given the prior Secret Service request responses we've gotten, for instance, that showed while Hunter was vice president.

00:14:00.500 No, I mean, Joe was vice president.

00:14:02.600 He traveled at least 29 times internationally, including on five trips to China.

00:14:09.240 One infamously was on Air Force Two with his father.

00:14:14.060 So those are the sorts of records we expect to get.

00:14:18.320 And, you know, we may get some information about domestic travels, which may be of interest as well.

00:14:22.640 But as the son of the president and someone implicated in criminal activity, there's great public interest as to what our government's doing in order to secure them.

00:14:33.120 Well, and like I said at the very outset, it is great that you're doing this work, you and Judicial Watch, going after these records and bringing them forth for the public.

00:14:45.020 The right to know in this country, the public's right to know has just been thwarted, disrespected and sneered at by the deep state and the permanent bureaucracy.

00:14:59.400 And, oh, yes, the Marxist Dems who lead the Democratic Party.

00:15:03.780 Yeah, the challenge, you know, we've had this Freedom of Information Act, which is a tremendous law.

00:15:09.120 It's done much in terms of government accountability and oversight.

00:15:13.000 But in order to make it work, one almost always has to sue in federal court.

00:15:19.200 And, you know, Judicial Watch, we're, you know, we're a national group.

00:15:21.920 We're able to sue in federal court.

00:15:23.260 We're the number one FOIA litigator in the country.

00:15:26.220 But, you know, if you're an average citizen trying to get information from the government, woe to you.

00:15:32.700 Yeah, it's outrageous.

00:15:34.240 It really is.

00:15:35.600 Well, I think you may remember our discussions over some time, which some people have said to me when I was criticizing the FBI or the Department of Justice.

00:15:47.300 I would say they would they would say, you know, but there are good people there.

00:15:52.420 There are good people in the FBI.

00:15:54.580 And my retort always was, if there are good people there, why hasn't one of them stepped forward to blow the whistle on all of the illegality, the lies, the deceit, the attempts to frame a sitting president, for example, and a fraudulent Russia collusion hoax and the predicate for a special counsel.

00:16:22.320 I mean, the list goes on.

00:16:23.420 And, you know, we find out from Senator Grassley, finally, three, almost six years later, apparently several, I better say several, not three, several whistleblowers have stepped forward to Senator Grassley's office.

00:16:41.020 And they allege widespread efforts to downplay or discredit negative information about President Biden's son, Hunter, just before the 2020 election, when 51 intelligence agents, officers, executives held forth that.

00:17:04.920 That was all about Russian disinformation, naturally, your reaction to this development.

00:17:13.460 Well, I mean, it's good that someone, as you point out, someone did blow the whistle, right?

00:17:19.360 Yes.

00:17:19.620 But it further highlights how the FBI is irredeemably corrupt.

00:17:26.380 It's no surprise.

00:17:28.240 Look, they've been sitting on Hunter's material for two years prior to that.

00:17:32.180 They had it, I think, in December of 2019 at the time or something even further and had information going back even further.

00:17:39.700 He was up to no good.

00:17:40.720 Given what he was doing while his father was vice president, you can bet he was on the radar even then.

00:17:47.940 And so it's no surprise that come October, the laptop information gets leaked and the FBI takes steps to suppress any resulting.

00:17:58.400 And I don't know exactly what information supposedly was labeled disinformation.

00:18:02.500 You're highlighting it's probably, given the timing, the Hunter laptop information, right?

00:18:07.760 Exactly.

00:18:08.420 Exactly.

00:18:08.660 But if that were the case, that would be so outrageous because they had the laptop already and they knew it wasn't disinformation.

00:18:17.940 So this shows you that the FBI interfered in our elections.

00:18:23.620 This is what the evidence shows.

00:18:26.060 And there needs to be accountability.

00:18:29.660 And someone needs to take it more seriously than they have been taking it, mainly in Congress that funds these agencies,

00:18:37.800 that the Justice Department and the FBI are enemies of the rule of law, especially when it comes to holding powerful leftists accountable to the rule of law.

00:18:47.740 Well said.

00:18:49.740 Well said.

00:18:50.300 And I think the American people are picking up on it now.

00:18:53.940 They are understanding clearly that this is a government that all of us were taught to respect, to trust.

00:19:00.960 And we have taken a hard lesson over the last, I would say, 20, 30 years, whether it be with the Bush administration and the weapons of mass destruction,

00:19:14.240 whether it be Afghanistan, whether it be Iraq, the Obama administration, and now this administration making it clear.

00:19:23.460 There is no one standing up in that Department of Justice insisting that the FBI agents who were part of the Hillary Clinton origination of the Russian hoax are held accountable.

00:19:39.940 It's outrageous.

00:19:40.760 But you, you know, I think it's fascinating that the Secret Service is also protecting Hunter Biden because he was meeting with corrupt officials while he was under their protection.

00:19:54.860 It's and the list just goes on here of what the list of the number of instances in which Hunter Biden was clearly, clearly doing illegal things and no one touched him.

00:20:14.060 The grand jury in Delaware, four years, Tom, four years.

00:20:20.320 I was talking with Eric Trump.

00:20:23.640 I said, Eric, what would have happened if your circumstances were similar to Hunter's?

00:20:28.600 He said he'd be in jail for life.

00:20:30.120 And you know what?

00:20:31.020 He's right.

00:20:32.120 And it would have taken four years to bring charges.

00:20:36.760 Well, remember, the Secret Service supposedly swept in to help him on this gun issue.

00:20:43.060 The other thing about the information we uncover from the Secret Service is that evidently,

00:20:47.400 because we stopped getting documents after a certain date, Hunter gave up the Secret Service protection in the second half,

00:20:55.820 beginning, I think, in 2014, during the President's, you know, Obama's second term.

00:21:03.380 Now, obviously, as the son of the President, you know, if I were Joe, I'd make sure he had Secret Service protection, whether he wanted it or not.

00:21:12.700 But you raised a very interesting point.

00:21:15.620 Have Secret Service agents been called to testify about Hunter's activities?

00:21:19.540 If not, why not?

00:21:21.060 And this highlights another point.

00:21:23.180 There should be no U.S. attorney in Delaware investigating this.

00:21:27.340 It should be done by a special counsel.

00:21:29.340 I don't like special counsels.

00:21:30.840 I think they're constitutionally dubious.

00:21:32.700 But they're the law of the land, we've been told.

00:21:34.620 And we all have to fall down and prostrate whenever there's a special counsel.

00:21:39.940 And now we have the President's son and the President himself implicated in those criminal activities of the President's son.

00:21:47.620 And there's no special counsel?

00:21:49.360 That's the scandal.

00:21:50.400 Well, let's examine just how likely that is to happen, a special counsel being appointed, because I know Joe Biden is seriously interested in objective, independent, impartial treatment on the part of the federal government when it comes to carrying out justice.

00:22:08.260 Because we know that he's blocked, he ordered his Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen, to block the suspicious activity reports of the commercial banking system, which are the most egregious of activities that are reported, always have been available to the oversight committees.

00:22:29.260 Suddenly, they were blocked, and Republicans can't get them, not on the oversight committee in the House or the oversight committees in the Senate, where Grassley and Johnson do have 150 of them that they had managed to obtain before the bloc came in and pre-Biden.

00:22:51.600 It's outrageous what we're watching here. 0.99

00:22:54.120 This president is corrupt, and one has to be an idiot to believe otherwise, don't you think? 1.00

00:23:01.080 I agree. 1.00

00:23:02.420 And, you know, the information out there shows that he's implicated in these international criminal activities involving Hunter.

00:23:13.340 And, you know, especially, let's take a look at the issue with China now, where you have Joe taking this aggressive stance to, you know, not mess with the Chinese in opposing Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan.

00:23:30.320 And there's been zero media who have highlighted the fact, well, you know, his family got money from the Chinese communist government front companies.

00:23:38.560 Does that compromise his decision-making on this?

00:23:41.280 Well, you know, you know, they'd be asking that question if Trump were president and similarly situated.

00:23:47.300 But Biden makes decisions that are either pro-Russian or pro-Chinese.

00:23:51.580 And I know everyone says, oh, no, he's not pro-Russian.

00:23:54.520 Look, my view is the Biden administration's goal in Ukraine is to make sure that Russia doesn't necessarily win, but also that they don't lose.

00:24:03.820 So, I mean, you know, I have zero confidence that this administration is operating with respect to Russia and China in an uncompromised way.

00:24:15.780 I think this president, there is no way he can operate without being compromised.

00:24:21.120 He is not he's not making these decisions. 0.60

00:24:23.980 This man is impaired. 0.74

00:24:25.520 He is, as you say, compromised.

00:24:27.960 And he is serving.

00:24:30.180 There are puppet masters hard at work around and above the president of the United States.

00:24:35.580 Clearly, to your point on China, because he has gone soft on China without question.

00:24:43.620 But the national left-wing corporate media, Tom, they're not even asking the question.

00:24:50.040 Why is it that a nation that is $30 trillion in debt, depleting its strategic petroleum oil reserves, and for the benefit of a few cents on a gallon of gasoline, it doesn't even add up to that.

00:25:11.000 But how is it that a million barrels of oil end up with a Chinese communist country while he is out, Biden is out in Riyadh, begging the Saudis for more oil production, asking the Venezuelans to produce more?

00:25:27.460 Oh, yes, and Iran, too.

00:25:29.140 It'd be very helpful.

00:25:30.060 And they don't even ask what in the world is going on here when they know that the company that took the million barrels of oil from the Biden administration is also a former client of none other than Hunter Biden.

00:25:49.880 How much more in our faces could the Biden crime family act?

00:25:55.960 Well, of course, that was a foreseeable consequence of releasing the oil to begin with.

00:26:01.120 I mean, there's a process that takes place once you put the oil in the market.

00:26:04.840 And surprise, surprise, China's number one in asking for oil.

00:26:09.260 They need it.

00:26:10.200 We have it.

00:26:10.980 They're going to buy it.

00:26:12.400 And, of course, you know, but so if you're going to be in the business of doing that, then have the free market do it.

00:26:18.260 Stop with the war of our energy.

00:26:20.000 Stop having taxpayers subsidize the sale, practically speaking.

00:26:23.880 That's the danger here.

00:26:26.900 And, you know, you were talking about who's making the decisions in the Trump Bush, excuse me, the Biden administration.

00:26:34.780 I don't know for sure, but I do know the decisions are such a radical, are of such a radical nature that the best way to describe them are anti-American.

00:26:48.080 When you talk about the war on energy, to me, it's when you go after our energy producers, you're trying to destroy America.

00:26:58.640 You're trying to undermine America. 0.56

00:27:01.260 And who would want to do that?

00:27:02.840 Who in the administration wants to destroy America?

00:27:05.140 We need to know.

00:27:06.800 Well, we know one thing.

00:27:08.440 There isn't a single policy initiative or agenda item on the part of this president that is pro-America.

00:27:18.440 I've asked the audience of this podcast to say simply to me, I'm begging for one initiative that is in the national interest or pro-American family, worker, man, and wife.

00:27:34.560 I would just love to hear that, because I can't find a single example of a policy, executive order, administrative order that benefits the American people or the nation.

00:27:48.080 Not one.

00:27:49.600 Now, the only time I hear Biden promote America in that regard is at the end of his speeches when he says, God bless and protect our troops.

00:27:59.180 It's the only time I'm thinking, oh, well, at least that's right.

00:28:01.860 The troops that he has just sent to the eastern flank of Europe to fight and defend the Europeans.

00:28:11.180 I mean, this is exactly the opposite of what President Trump had succeeded in doing.

00:28:16.920 The Europeans would defend themselves.

00:28:19.860 They would spend money on their own defense, and they would react to a border state like Ukraine and prospective member of NATO.

00:28:29.820 But, no, here we go with Biden working, obviously, diligently for the military-industrial complex.

00:28:40.640 Well, and undermining our military more, you know, as importantly, undermining our military from within.

00:28:46.300 I mean, to segue into something we just did today, practically speaking, we just sued the Pentagon for documents about what's going on at the Naval Academy in terms of critical race theory.

00:29:01.720 We uncovered it was being taught up there in West Point.

00:29:04.060 So our rising leadership is being – and, you know, we know the Navy is doing this at the Naval Academy.

00:29:12.320 We want the details.

00:29:13.980 But our rising leadership at our service academies that train the next generation of officers in our military, they're being propagandized with this Marxist radical theory that is, again, anti-American and un-American.

00:29:29.720 So it treats America as the enemy.

00:29:34.460 Yeah.

00:29:35.720 When you can teach CRT in our military academies, when you can have the federal government as a required training session or training sessions more properly, it is madness on its face.

00:29:54.080 Lord knows what else is going on in the bureaucracy within the military because officers – and I'm talking about majors, colonels – are leaving the U.S. military at a rapid rate.

00:30:12.820 We're talking about huge, huge recruiting goals that are gaps that perhaps they will never make up with anything other than selective service.

00:30:25.380 Your thoughts on that?

00:30:28.340 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 I mean, that's – you know, to me, that's, I think, a consequence that the left welcomes.

00:30:35.180 I mean, they want to weaken our military, and one way to weaken the military is to make it harder to recruit it and to have the personnel available to do what the military is supposed to do, which is to identify, confront, and kill our enemies.

00:30:53.460 The left opposes the military just doing that generally.

00:30:56.480 So, hence the CRT, hence the focus on, you know, dramatic social engineering in the military, and it's no surprise that patriots aren't terribly interested in joining the military in this day and age.

00:31:12.680 You know, the most dangerous thing I've ever done is get in a cab in D.C.

00:31:18.200 But so – but I value what the military has provided to America in terms of defending our right to do everything we're talking about and our liberties.

00:31:31.400 And the left understands the military defends America from these threats that are foreign, sometimes domestic, and they don't want – and that's why they want to undermine it.

00:31:44.800 Yeah, I mean, the why fours here of what the Marxist Dems are doing, the first why to me is, why is the Republican Party and conservatives, why are they so reluctant to call the Dem, the Democratic Party, what it has become?

00:32:03.740 It is a Marxist party, it is Marxist-led, it is straightforwardly that, it's not socialist, it's not progressive, it is none of those things.

00:32:15.940 It is a Marxist organization, and its agenda is Marxist and as clearly as it can possibly be stated.

00:32:24.320 Yet, everyone wants to say something like socialist.

00:32:27.740 They still want to tiptoe around it in the Republican Party, with a few exceptions.

00:32:33.720 They want to ignore the reality of these policies and the absolute destructive nature and purpose of each.

00:32:43.920 Whether it's the southern border, whether – you name it, it's destructive.

00:32:47.420 I agree with you, Lou, and I don't mean – and as you know, I'm always very cautious about being partisan, but I don't think it's a partisan – I think it's an objective analysis, and one any American should be worried about, to have a major political party in our country be overtaken by these radical Marxist extremists, as you described.

00:33:09.340 And the Democratic Party, I think, is in this internal battle, and sometimes one side wins, the other times another side wins, between its corrupt corporatist wing and the rising communists.

00:33:24.620 And I think that's kind of the story of the Biden administration.

00:33:27.540 Now, the Republican administration has its own – the Republican Party has its own issues that also has a corrupt corporatist wing, right, but they don't have the extremists that are anti-American, at least at this point, that the Democrats are contending with.

00:33:48.720 Yeah, I want to give Kevin McCarthy a rare compliment from me, at least, in that he announced that they would not be taking money from the Chamber of Commerce, the Republicans in the House, because of their insane positions that they were taking and have taken.

00:34:09.200 And that is now beginning to, if you will, ripple through our society, at least our public consciousness, what he has done.

00:34:19.560 But he has done what we've been calling for for years, to push back against corporate America, the Business Roundtable, the Chamber of Commerce, and Wall Street, because, I mean, they're just bald face about it, Tom.

00:34:34.540 They're now saying, in the midst of this inflation and these terrible, terrible months that we've had for so many Americans, millions of Americans with these high prices, talk about taking your money and we'll invest it for you in China.

00:34:50.880 This is how mad the country has become.

00:34:54.560 You talk about the Republican part of the country.

00:34:57.820 Those institutions are no longer Republican.

00:35:00.280 When they start financing communist nations, they have beyond, they're beyond anything but Democratic membership. 0.71

00:35:09.060 And that's why they've moved so much money to the Democratic Party, to Democratic candidates, and are embracing everything that this president is doing with the same energy that they fought the previous president.

00:35:22.200 Yeah, we had this cultural Marxism that is now ensnared the corporate culture in ways that, you know, in ways that have dramatically increased, certainly, in the last few years.

00:35:35.960 And you have too many corporate leaders who sees themselves as members of an international class and community as opposed to American patriots.

00:35:48.600 And that's the problem.

00:35:50.840 And, you know, it doesn't mean the problem is insurmountable, but unless we describe the problem accurately, we certainly can't address it.

00:35:57.540 Well, I agree with you.

00:36:00.840 And I only know of one man who can address this problem, and that man is Donald Trump.

00:36:07.220 I know that's not a shock or a surprise to you that I would feel that way.

00:36:11.420 It's certainly no mystery or requires much of the way of analysis on the part of this audience to determine who I want to be president, because I think he's the only one who can handle the job, frankly.

00:36:24.000 He's shown he can do it.

00:36:26.220 He did it before.

00:36:27.480 He's a historic president.

00:36:29.360 I can't even imagine why, if we can talk him into it, he would, you know, that we would do anything else.

00:36:36.580 And, by the way, talking about China and this relationship with corporate America, I want to go to your looking at suing, you are suing, for the COVID information involving Fauci's wife,

00:36:52.560 who also works for NIH, and, of course, she is highly placed in terms of her job.

00:37:00.500 She decides what is ethical in terms of the biology and medicine involved when we have what is a breaking scandal in this country over the efficacy of all of those vaccines that came to market in about six months.

00:37:18.640 We are on the cusp of such momentous disasters for this administration.

00:37:29.080 It's hard to imagine any way it could get worse, and yet here today we learned that it is, which means it's getting better for America.

00:37:37.000 Yeah, I mean, we just released documents today that show people within the FDA were arguing about the Biden administration's rush to require or allow boosters, you know,

00:37:50.620 and it wasn't based on according to these documents.

00:37:53.640 They felt they were being rushed and they weren't being able to weren't able to do the scientific analysis they wanted to do before recommending or approving it within the FDA.

00:38:02.580 And the other documents that we have released just last week with respect to China showed that Fauci's agency was very much aware and concerned about gain-of-function research that they were funding in the Wuhan Institute in China,

00:38:17.240 not in 2020, not in 2019, but in 2016.

00:38:21.000 So, you know, when Fauci says they didn't have any words about gain-of-function and it wasn't gain-of-function, and I see document after document in his agencies talking about gain-of-function,

00:38:37.960 you have to wonder why the FBI, well, yes, according to the documents we have, the FBI was investigating the gain-of-function grant he gave, his agency gave, back in 2020.

00:38:49.060 What are they doing now is my question.

00:38:52.660 And to me, we're talking about what Judicial Watch is doing.

00:38:56.560 I'm outraged that it took Judicial Watch to figure out the FBI was investigating Fauci's agency.

00:39:03.080 Why are we just finding out about it now, thanks to Judicial Watch?

00:39:06.120 Where's the rest of this city?

00:39:08.960 Well, it's a great question.

00:39:10.580 And meanwhile, Fauci is not only denying that there was any relationship with the Wuhan agency, I've talked to, well, I'm going to say three, maybe four doctors who were telling me how the trip went to Wuhan,

00:39:30.080 how involved they were with the China version of the CDC.

00:39:33.780 I mean, there was a culture that had been built up between American immunologists and epidemiologists and the virologists in Wuhan.

00:39:46.920 It's crazy.

00:39:48.300 And then he's denying it, and he's denying it to Congress.

00:39:51.420 Do you remember the great exchanges that Senator Rand Paul had with him?

00:39:55.740 I mean, thank God for Rand Paul talking sense.

00:40:00.120 Thank God for Peter McCullough, doctors like he and Robert Malone and dozens of others who had the skepticism, the clinical medical skepticism that any doctor, any scientist is supposed to bring to it.

00:40:20.960 And by the way, can you imagine the conversation between Fauci and his wife when they get home in the evening for dinner?

00:40:26.360 Or, you know, I'm thinking you shouldn't have lied, honey, about the Wuhan lab.

00:40:32.100 You know that it could have been there and what likely was originating there.

00:40:36.560 Well, that's a difference.

00:40:37.800 You know, I can't even imagine that conversation.

00:40:40.460 She's in charge of bioethics, and he's plotting them.

00:40:43.520 What do you make of that?

00:40:45.180 Well, you know, what I'm concerned about is they're hiding the records from us.

00:40:49.060 You know, our client, openthebooks.com, wanted the records.

00:40:54.280 They had, through the lawsuit with Judicial Watch, uncovered records showing the tens, hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties NIH officials were getting.

00:41:03.420 And, you know, when one looks about how the COVID vaccine was handled and the gamesmanship that went on, you have to wonder what else is going on, and which is why we've, you know, been working on this issue and trying to get records about the financial disclosures from Fauci,

00:41:24.760 who's the most powerful government official in the country, practically speaking, on many issues.

00:41:30.960 And what he and his spouse are earning and how they're earning their money is a great public interest.

00:41:36.320 And the fact they're hiding the records from us, again, you know, gets my radar going.

00:41:42.020 Well, I'm glad it has, and I'm glad you're pursuing it, because I really am stunned when I think about the fact there is this huge pool of money,

00:41:51.420 tens of millions of dollars that are available for the patents that have been produced by government scientists.

00:42:00.440 And we don't even know what portion of that money is going to Fauci to others, but we do know that money is going to them.

00:42:10.260 And I'm talking about huge sums of money, and we have no oversight over it, no congressional committee,

00:42:17.100 no agency has any oversight over it, other than, can you make it any worse, Dr. Tony Fauci.

00:42:26.320 It's unbelievable.

00:42:27.920 Well, and billions of dollars in grants he's able to grant, his colleagues.

00:42:32.900 And, you know, and the oversight, as you say, is lacking.

00:42:36.020 I guess my concern is the Wuhan Institute is just one of many labs in China that were getting money,

00:42:42.820 and many labs here in the United States that were doing some early dangerous experiments.

00:42:49.780 It is, you know, this gain of function.

00:42:53.440 It's not just in Wuhan we have to worry about.

00:42:56.040 It's in other places in China and here in the United States.

00:43:00.140 And I guess we're not even allowed to ask what the labs were doing in Ukraine, right?

00:43:03.760 I guess we're pro-Russia if we say, well, why are we still running those labs in Ukraine where they're investigating,

00:43:11.780 continue to work with pathogens that are quite dangerous?

00:43:15.140 Why are we still running them?

00:43:17.340 What's the money here going for?

00:43:19.820 What are the risks?

00:43:21.580 Well, President Biden's undersecretary of state, I'm saying, admitting their presence,

00:43:29.560 but shutting down conversation on it because I guess they were afraid there would be Russian disinformation on that. 0.98

00:43:40.980 This is the most screwed-up administration. 0.98

00:43:44.260 If people don't understand what a mess this outfit is and what criminal – 0.98

00:43:50.560 I'm going to back off my language here – 0.55

00:43:54.940 but what a criminal family the Bidens are, then I –

00:43:58.700 you know, God help us.

00:44:00.000 What is it going to take for people to wake up?

00:44:03.360 And to see what they did with the election of 2020,

00:44:06.820 people are now just starting to realize, you know,

00:44:10.220 the whole establishment pushed the idea that that was the most perfect election in history.

00:44:18.060 There was not widespread – there were not widespread incidents of fraud or trickery or, you know, ballot trafficking.

00:44:28.140 It's all nonsense.

00:44:29.680 It's all disinformation.

00:44:31.040 And the greatest source of disinformation in the United States for the past six years

00:44:35.960 has been the United States government, not Russia and not China.

00:44:40.340 Do you disagree?

00:44:41.300 Well, I don't want to give too much credit to the U.S. in terms of disinformation versus China and Russia.

00:44:51.480 But our government has been a vehicle to lie about our election systems in ways that are so obviously designed to help protect Joe Biden

00:45:08.260 from having his – you know, from the political consequences of people being worried about the way the election was run.

00:45:16.360 It's straightforward.

00:45:17.520 I mean, they're now trying to jail people based on their lawful participation, and it is all lawful, in an election dispute.

00:45:28.040 I mean, they've got grand juries going on here in Washington, D.C.

00:45:30.820 You have this left-wing prosecutor in Fulton County, Georgia, harassing Trump and people and regular citizens.

00:45:40.040 And it's not just about Trump.

00:45:41.380 They're going after regular citizens.

00:45:44.100 These are dangerous times.

00:45:45.580 You know, the media – the government's always a fount of disinformation and lies and dishonesty.

00:45:53.260 But it's usually tempered by the rule of law, and that tempering isn't working that well right now.

00:46:00.280 When would you say the last time was that government had to fear the governed?

00:46:06.940 When is the last time they had to respect we, the people?

00:46:11.740 When is the last time anyone in the federal government was held accountable for their disinformation?

00:46:17.260 Well, you know, thankfully, it's more of a modern phenomenon that we have government officials who have contempt for the everyday man and don't think the rules apply to them and laugh at those who think they do.

00:46:32.440 I'd like to think in the first part of our, you know, the first part of our nation's history, you know, the people in government, you know, they were in it for themselves, but there wasn't this antagonism to the American way of life the way we have now.

00:46:47.760 Well, if you're going back to the founding fathers, I bet over the course of the past, let's say, 20 years, when do you think within that we suddenly had no accountability, the deep state, the permanent bureaucracy asserted itself without consequence and without having to worry about whether or not they were – on which side of the law they really operated?

00:47:13.100 Well, Watergate shows that their concern for corruption was partisan, and they had no interest in the rule of law.

00:47:22.380 I mean, one doesn't have to defend any conduct by Nixon or his officials to recognize the people who were investigating him were the last people who should have been trusted with such an analysis.

00:47:35.640 And we haven't gotten it fixed since in many ways, have we?

00:47:40.260 I don't believe we've ever seen anything approaching what we are witnessing today, Tom.

00:47:47.780 Watergate, I can remember, watching the hearings on the news, you know, at night, reporting, you know, from a local station what was going on.

00:48:01.000 I remember it vividly.

00:48:02.320 But what we're watching right now is a news media that is doing whatever the corporate boardroom and CEO tell them to do.

00:48:13.520 There is nothing that approaches an independent, original news organization on television.

00:48:23.540 There just isn't.

00:48:24.300 Well, you know, there's the issue of journalism, but as you're right, much of the media are basically agents of the government and only the government that they support, meaning if it were a different administration, it would be a different matter.

00:48:40.180 But the media too often, and it doesn't mean that all media never does, never, ever does journalism.

00:48:49.180 That's not the issue.

00:48:50.860 Much of the major media organizations have been turned into advocacy groups that sometimes does journalism, right?

00:48:58.960 They do journalism here and again.

00:49:00.960 There's no doubt about it, as traditionally understood.

00:49:03.160 But I would dare say that Judicial Watch does more legitimate journalism in the everyday sense of the world than much of the legacy media.

00:49:15.040 Yeah, but I'm talking about corporate media in this country.

00:49:20.060 If there's no Judicial Watch, let me tell you, well, I don't even want to think about it.

00:49:26.500 Thank God there's Judicial Watch, because as you say, you do more to enlarge the body of public knowledge in this country than any one of those cable networks, any one of those broadcast networks.

00:49:42.760 The legacy media, as you put it, they're corporate-owned, and they serve their corporate masters.

00:49:48.700 And no one should ever, and I don't think most people doubt it for a moment, you know, whatever the outlet is.

00:49:55.780 It's just a moment of shame in this country, what we have allowed to grow up around this great nation that had so many ideals in which hundreds of millions of people have sacrificed for over the course of two and a half centuries.

00:50:17.600 It's just despicable what we have allowed to grow up in what should have been a shining city on a hill.

00:50:27.460 You know, basically, it's the last one out, turn out the lights now.

00:50:31.420 I mean, that's where we are.

00:50:32.620 And we've got to wake up to the need for leadership and commitment to who we are as Americans and what this country means to us and to the world.

00:50:42.960 Well, and the good news is that there are outlets like this, there's Judicial Watch, there are alternative media online, easily accessible to millions, which is why they're so desperate to censor.

00:50:58.200 Look, if they were winning, Lou, they wouldn't be trying to jail us.

00:51:01.740 If they were winning, they wouldn't be trying to censor us.

00:51:04.600 If the Constitution was working for them, they wouldn't be trying to upend it.

00:51:09.280 It's not because they're winning, it's because they're losing and they're worried.

00:51:14.660 And so I'm going to put a little positive spin on it.

00:51:19.100 The big media is failing, but other media is stepping up to fill the gap in ways that, you know, thanks to the technological revolution, would never have been possible before.

00:51:30.760 So thank God for those silicon chips, right?

00:51:35.360 Well, yes, but not for those silicon masters.

00:51:39.280 Decided in 2020, Russia disinformation and brought down an iron curtain of absolute totalitarian control over the media.

00:51:53.240 But I thank you for the glimmer of hope there.

00:51:58.080 What I hope is that everyone listening to our voices means business in less than four months and gets out there and gets rid of as many of these so-called dems, Marxist dems.

00:52:14.520 They all are because they're working for one purpose, and that's against the United States.

00:52:20.040 Tom Fenton, thanks for being with us here.

00:52:22.340 We appreciate it.

00:52:23.320 Come back soon.

00:52:24.920 Thank you, Lou.

00:52:25.580 Appreciate the time.

00:52:26.420 Thank you.

00:52:28.080 And I want to thank, as always, Judicial Watch for all their great work to serve the public's right to know.

00:52:35.160 And thanks, everybody, for being with us today.

00:52:37.340 Our guest tomorrow is Senator Marsha Blackburn, here tomorrow on The Great America Show.

00:52:43.320 Please join us.

00:52:44.200 Until then, God bless you, and God bless America.

00:52:48.100 Today, God bless you, and God bless you, and God bless you.

00:53:00.880 Thank you.

00:53:01.280 God bless you, and God bless you.

00:53:01.720 God bless you.

00:53:02.800 You may have a chance.

00:53:03.620 God bless you.

00:53:05.160 God bless you.

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The Great America Show - August 11, 2022

DOBBS SAYS WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR PRESIDENT, OUR COUNTRY AND THE RULE OF LAW

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