The Great America Show - January 27, 2022


DR. McCULLOUGH SAYS END MANDATES & ELI DAVID SAYS WE SHOULD QUESTION THE ‘SCIENCE’


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30,000 people braved the freezing cold weather in Washington D.C. this past weekend to demonstrate against public health mandates. Dr. Peter McCullough was among those who testified before Sen. Ron Johnson's panel on the global response to the Wuhan Virus.

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00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs,
00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
00:00:09.240 And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
00:00:14.580 Welcome to the Great America show, and thanks for being with us.
00:00:18.240 As you know, this podcast is dedicated to keeping strong our great constitutional republic
00:00:24.160 and committed to the pursuit of truth and justice and preservation of the American way.
00:00:30.660 Historically, the deadly China virus pandemic that has wracked our nation and our citizens 0.79
00:00:36.560 for the past two years has been among the greatest threats America has ever faced.
00:00:41.940 And we face that threat to this very day.
00:00:44.580 Despite the unprecedented speed with which biotech and pharmaceutical companies develop vaccines
00:00:50.440 to fight the coronavirus, COVID-19, and introduce social distancing and masks,
00:00:57.060 and then introduce mandates and testing, and then quarantines and isolation.
00:01:03.260 Well, all of that somehow did not stop the pandemic.
00:01:08.340 The shutdowns of businesses, large and small, and schools, even churches,
00:01:12.560 the virus that raged through our country killed more than 800,000 Americans.
00:01:17.440 The federal public health agencies, the FDA, the NIH, the CDC responded, and in some cases
00:01:24.660 responded well, but in others, not so well.
00:01:28.320 And now there's great uncertainty about the efficacy of those vaccines, concerns that early
00:01:34.100 estimates of their effectiveness were overstated.
00:01:37.400 And there is rising concern that risks were greater than originally understood by the public,
00:01:43.140 and that government mandates were motivated by ideological and partisan values rather than
00:01:49.080 medical and scientific evidence and purpose.
00:01:51.880 What were, then, those motives?
00:01:55.240 We still don't know.
00:01:57.180 Why did the government of a free people insist they follow mandates, follow orders,
00:02:02.680 while government insisted their mandates and orders were based on science?
00:02:08.880 And questioning those public health orders and mandates, insisting that the medical and scientific
00:02:14.200 communities, government and big pharma, actually follow science and debate evidence.
00:02:20.560 Yes, sometimes in public, rather than choke off debate and challenge healthy skepticism and
00:02:27.700 questioning of authorities, whether government or the medical and pharmaceutical industries
00:02:32.540 themselves.
00:02:34.080 30,000 people braved the freezing cold weather in Washington, D.C. this past weekend to demonstrate
00:02:40.640 against mandates.
00:02:43.020 Healthcare workers and many of the doctors have risked their lives and careers and reputations
00:02:48.340 to get answers to the very public questions attended that rally.
00:02:53.280 Among the leaders of that rally, Dr. Peter McCullough.
00:02:56.980 He was among those who testified before Senator Ron Johnson's panel on the global response to the
00:03:03.880 Wuhan virus and what we've learned over the past two years of this worldwide epidemic.
00:03:10.820 With us now is Dr. Peter McCullough, who, along with Dr. Robert Malone, has been valiant in his pursuit of
00:03:19.180 reason and evidence and truth about these public health issues, these governmental responses to the
00:03:26.760 pandemic.
00:03:27.780 Dr. McCullough, thanks so much for being with us.
00:03:30.520 And you are indeed one of the heroes of this piece.
00:03:34.440 And we appreciate your taking time to be with us.
00:03:38.040 Dr. McCullough, I want to start, first of all, if I may, after two years of this pandemic,
00:03:44.200 the rally that was held Sunday was unprecedented.
00:03:48.740 An extraordinary moment at the Lincoln Memorial.
00:03:52.680 You among the leaders there talking about the pandemic, the government's response to it,
00:04:00.200 and, of course, defeat the mandate, the purpose of the entire gathering, your reaction to both the
00:04:07.400 turnout and the success of the moment.
00:04:10.960 You know, the turnout and the energy there was extraordinary.
00:04:14.700 A large mass of very peaceful and, I think, thoughtful individuals, Americans showed up,
00:04:21.740 and they started at the Washington Monument, walked all the way along the reflection pool to the
00:04:26.020 Lincoln Memorial, and they gathered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, and they heard
00:04:30.420 impassioned presentations, brief speeches by doctors, by scientists, civic leaders, public health
00:04:39.860 leaders, media, firefighters, various other groups, religious groups.
00:04:45.760 It really was an extraordinary event.
00:04:47.780 An extraordinary event.
00:04:49.480 And if it were only half its size, and if it were only half the time that was required
00:04:58.960 for those discussions in public, in the nation's capital, it would have been a success.
00:05:06.800 I want to turn to you and ask you also about the panel, the Senate panel, Monday, Senator Ron
00:05:17.860 Johnson, leading that, and your reaction to that, and the fact that it is now clear that
00:05:25.820 there is a movement to take on mandates and to thoroughly question government choices that
00:05:33.080 are being made about the public health of 300 million Americans.
00:05:38.740 There's no doubt.
00:05:39.940 On the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, I told Americans there's three circles.
00:05:44.600 There's a circle of medical freedom, and that's linked to a circle of social freedom, which
00:05:50.060 is linked to a circle of economic freedom.
00:05:52.880 And that if that circle of medical freedom is touched, let alone broken, all the other
00:05:57.660 circles fracture.
00:05:59.060 That if one loses control over their own health autonomy, everything from there begins to crumble.
00:06:05.420 We went into the five-hour Senate panel, appropriately named a second opinion on COVID-19.
00:06:11.620 I co-moderated it with Senator Johnson, and we had dozens of doctors, of scientists, some
00:06:17.960 of the most published people in the world.
00:06:20.080 The moment where you ask everyone in attendance, whether on the panel, whether testifying, or
00:06:25.000 whether in the audience, anyone who's ever seen medical professionals have seen or witnessed
00:06:31.980 or experienced a moment of censure in their careers, and particularly in this pandemic, to raise their
00:06:41.400 hands, your estimate was about 80%.
00:06:44.560 Is that correct?
00:06:47.280 That's correct.
00:06:48.340 That was a jaw-dropping moment where people basically gave their testimony of personal and
00:06:54.560 professional injury for their attempts to try to compassionately help people through the
00:07:01.020 illness by putting their best efforts forward in treating patients.
00:07:04.840 And we're talking doctors, scientists, nurses, patients themselves.
00:07:09.940 It was extraordinary.
00:07:12.260 And from that, Senator Johnson has been along, I believe, with Senator Rand Paul in particular,
00:07:19.300 but I'd like to get your judgment on that.
00:07:20.760 Those two senators have made all the difference in the world within their body, the Senate,
00:07:28.480 in confronting orthodoxy and a peculiar arrogance on the part of, I will just say his name very
00:07:38.460 quickly, Dr. Fauci, the CDC, the NIH, the public health agencies that have simply basically said to
00:07:47.440 the American people at various points over the past two years, this is the way it is, this is our
00:07:53.040 judgment, it's final.
00:07:54.220 We, Fauci famously saying, he is science, complete and utter arrogance and balderdash, not often
00:08:03.360 served up simultaneously as he did.
00:08:06.800 Your thoughts?
00:08:09.120 Completely agree, Lou.
00:08:10.820 The demagoguery that Americans have seen out of these public health officials in Washington
00:08:16.980 is of the greatest concern.
00:08:20.240 I told Laura Ingram this week on the Ingram Angle that I think Senator Ron Johnson has a
00:08:26.160 better handle on pandemic response than anybody in Washington.
00:08:30.220 And Johnson is asking the right questions.
00:08:32.780 He is asking for fair balance.
00:08:34.900 He's asking for scientific discourse.
00:08:36.900 In fact, at one point in time in the meeting, two eminent scientists, Dr. Robert Malone, who's
00:08:41.760 one of the early inventors of messenger RNA technology, and Dr. David Wiseman, who's a
00:08:47.080 former vaccine J&J development scientist, they disagreed on a point.
00:08:52.520 They actually got up and they went to the part of the room and they had a sidebar conversation.
00:08:56.640 And I pointed out to Johnson, I said, that's what's supposed to happen.
00:08:59.660 We're supposed to have disagreement and discourse in order to carry medical progress forward.
00:09:04.240 And that has been certainly absent amongst our public health officials, government officials
00:09:11.300 over the course of the past two years.
00:09:14.160 And whether it's mandates, whether it is quarantines, isolation, social distancing or mass,
00:09:23.180 there should have been greater debate at every instance.
00:09:27.020 But a fearful public accepted because from every quarter, whether government officials, elected
00:09:35.040 officials or the medical community, the orders were coming down fast and furious.
00:09:43.180 We now get the sense, very clearly, a sense that that was a period in which our freedoms were
00:09:55.280 being dishonored and truth was not always the first concern on the part of the public health
00:10:03.800 agencies or some of their leaders.
00:10:06.380 Your sense about what we can do now in public policy to change what has been an experience
00:10:16.660 over the past two years that I think a lot of people are going to be embarrassed about
00:10:21.640 over the course of history.
00:10:24.180 I pointed out that not a single hospital or health care system claims to be a center of
00:10:31.200 excellence for COVID-19.
00:10:32.640 We are two years into this loop.
00:10:34.500 These same hospitals that have the bravado in heart care or cancer care, not a single
00:10:40.260 one claims to be innovative or have good outcomes for COVID-19.
00:10:45.620 There are no hospital innovative approaches by our blue ribbon institutions like Mayo Clinic,
00:10:50.940 Cleveland Clinic, Duke, Harvard, nothing.
00:10:53.880 And it's because of regulatory capture.
00:10:56.720 The agencies have basically floated down protocols with strings attached to it that prohibit
00:11:03.720 innovation, that prohibit use of appropriately utilized off-label medications in combination.
00:11:10.680 Patients get better care as outpatients.
00:11:12.780 And when they move into the inpatient realm, we heard from the father of critical care, Dr.
00:11:16.960 Paul Merrick.
00:11:17.440 He has more publications in critical care than anybody in the world in history.
00:11:21.520 He stated that the hospital care in the United States is inadequate.
00:11:26.280 It is far too little.
00:11:28.280 The doses of drugs that are used and the drugs that are offered, like remdesivir, simply are
00:11:33.440 not safe or effective.
00:11:35.280 And he indicated that lives have been lost in the hospital because of these regulatory processes
00:11:41.400 and these policies by the NIH and others.
00:11:44.260 Is remdesivir still recommended by the CDC?
00:11:48.520 I know that it was in the initial stages of the pandemic.
00:11:53.060 It's still recommended by the National Institutes of Health.
00:11:55.320 And as Merrick reviewed, there are more people who actually die as a result of remdesivir because
00:12:01.140 it causes kidney and liver failure than are helped.
00:12:03.640 And why is it that no one, well, I shouldn't say no one, certainly you, Dr. Malone, others
00:12:10.780 that seemed you've brought along with you over the course of time are being very clear about
00:12:18.280 this.
00:12:18.780 Why isn't there greater clarity with big pharma to the American people?
00:12:25.920 Lou, there has been no Bethesda conference.
00:12:27.920 You know, I'm a cardiologist.
00:12:28.920 When we have illnesses or problems that we need input on, we hold a Bethesda conference.
00:12:34.560 There's an open conference, academics, practicing doctors, pharmaceutical companies, the federal
00:12:41.400 agencies, and we actually hash through the data.
00:12:44.540 And there are better approaches in the hospital, but our agencies will going to have to let down
00:12:49.920 their arrogance and start listening to the experts who are taking care of patients and
00:12:54.200 get things in good stead.
00:12:56.300 We should actually relieve hospitals of any duty to perform a protocol and any tethering
00:13:03.040 of reimbursement of care of COVID-19 to these protocols and let doctors use their innovation
00:13:08.880 in clinical care and taking care of patients.
00:13:11.820 In fact, I think the word protocol is now synonymous with incentives in which hospitals actually
00:13:20.780 were, at one point, focused, many of them, on the incentives to declare a patient a victim
00:13:29.720 of COVID rather than whatever the ancillary or accompanying disease was that may have been
00:13:35.680 the underlying disease for the person's admission to the hospital in the first place, right?
00:13:40.420 Dr. Aaron Carradine, a former professor at UC Irvine, laid out these what's called perverse
00:13:46.700 incentives, how hospitals are incentivized to actually use remdesivir despite its poor
00:13:51.620 outcomes, how they're incentivized to falsely code COVID-19 as the principal issue when there
00:13:57.580 are other issues at hand, and really how deep and distorted this has become all through what's
00:14:02.840 called regulatory capture.
00:14:03.960 What has been the response of the pharmaceutical company making remdesivir?
00:14:09.700 There's been no response.
00:14:11.680 The intellectual property rights through Gilead go back to China on the use of remdesivir.
00:14:17.400 The Chinese have holdings on it, and we know at this point in time there's far better approaches. 0.99
00:14:22.700 If you were in a hospital in Tokyo, Japan, you'd be receiving first-line drugs in combination,
00:14:28.820 including ivermectin.
00:14:30.260 Patients should be receiving this drug.
00:14:32.080 They should be receiving monoclonal antibodies.
00:14:34.340 The drug Sotirivimab by GlaxoSmithKline, Operation Warp Speed, a terrific product, reduces
00:14:39.800 hospitalization death by 85%.
00:14:41.760 I think any patient being considered for the hospitalization-
00:14:43.860 What was that drug again?
00:14:45.180 It's called Sotirivimab lube.
00:14:46.900 It's by GlaxoSmithKline.
00:14:48.440 It's a monoclonal antibody, and sadly, it's in short supply.
00:14:52.040 States like Florida and Ron DeSantis are absolutely incensed on how they're not getting a straight
00:14:57.780 story from the federal government on the supply line of this important product.
00:15:01.160 Well, this is worth just throwing in parenthetically for the audience, some of whom may be shocked
00:15:08.680 to learn that we are still 97% dependent upon China for pharmaceuticals, pharmaceutical ingredients,
00:15:17.920 China and India in the case of the pharmaceutical ingredients as well.
00:15:23.400 This is not an independent nation right now.
00:15:26.860 President Trump achieved energy independence, but no one has even come close to doing so in pharmaceuticals,
00:15:34.380 and it's a huge, huge problem.
00:15:37.620 Corporate America is ignoring a Supreme Court ruling about mask mandates.
00:15:43.300 They're ignoring a Supreme Court ruling about mandates, period, for private employers who have 100 or more employees.
00:15:55.800 This is outrageous, but it is also at the same time a sign that we have to get rid of these authoritarian impulses,
00:16:06.700 whether they're in government, public health, or in corporate America.
00:16:11.600 Don't you agree?
00:16:13.260 We need egalitarian processes immediately.
00:16:16.320 I think the heads will have to roll at the top of these federal agencies.
00:16:21.180 We had a former White House advisor and World Health Organization advisor, Paul Alexander, present the data on masks,
00:16:28.060 and you're exactly right.
00:16:29.360 Masks have failed to stop the spread of illness.
00:16:32.000 They're basically ineffective.
00:16:34.060 Doctors agree that masks can be worn in the hospital by health care professionals and others,
00:16:38.980 but public masking has no role in our society.
00:16:43.980 It certainly has no role in the schools, and it's got to go.
00:16:46.840 Now, do you think there's a relationship to the decision by the Biden administration,
00:16:52.580 now, just a short while ago, to withdraw the COVID-19 from the mandate after the court's 6-3 ruling?
00:17:08.320 Do you think there was any—I mean, that's a sign of progress, is it not, for those who do not want those mandates?
00:17:15.460 It's strange to say this, the White House actually following the law and the decision of the Supreme Court.
00:17:24.780 I think it's needed and welcome because, you know, other business leaders are looking for some type of signal.
00:17:30.840 You know, in this cloud of fear, leaders have really lost their courage.
00:17:35.980 You know, most companies don't feel comfortable making an independent decision on anything related to COVID-19.
00:17:41.740 You know, I congratulate Starbucks.
00:17:43.280 Starbucks came out and said, you know what, we've looked at everything.
00:17:46.220 We're dropping our mandates for vaccination.
00:17:49.100 And JPMorgan Chase, Jamie Dimon, the CEO, going the other way, insisting as of February 1st that he's, by God,
00:17:55.660 going to demand his employees have vaccinations or they're going to be terminated.
00:18:02.300 I mean, this is—despite the Supreme Court, despite the White House backing off of the mandates,
00:18:08.080 and other people of reason and obviously good faith doing so.
00:18:14.500 You know, there are side-by-side examples that are amazing.
00:18:17.360 So I was in D.C. and within the District of Columbia, I couldn't walk into a Starbucks without showing a vaccine card.
00:18:25.020 But yet a few miles away, we stayed at a hotel in Pentagon City.
00:18:28.960 We walked in and no masks, no vaccine cards, and we had coffee and breakfast and everything was fine.
00:18:34.740 It's the same viral illness.
00:18:36.760 It's the same disease.
00:18:37.900 It's the same people.
00:18:39.680 These side-by-side examples show you that something's wrong.
00:18:43.920 I know that you're limited for time, and I want to get to the crux of this for the audience.
00:18:48.100 First, your counsel to this audience, to the American public, about what they should do if they contract COVID-19.
00:18:58.400 Most important point is now Omicron.
00:19:00.920 The CDC says it's 99% Omicron.
00:19:03.820 It replicates in the nasal cavity 70 times faster than the prior versions of the virus.
00:19:09.600 You do get immunity to the Delta variant, which is great afterwards. 1.00
00:19:13.360 It's a brief illness, but it must be killed in the nose.
00:19:16.220 So we're using virucidal nasal washes.
00:19:19.620 So palvidone iodine, 10% palvidone iodine or betadine, you buy it for just a few dollars online.
00:19:25.600 Half a teaspoon of this brown liquid in a shot glass of water over the sink, squirt it up in the nose with a bulb syringe or spray bottle,
00:19:33.200 sniff it back and spit it out, do it twice on each side, gargle with the rest.
00:19:36.840 That effectively kills the virus.
00:19:38.520 That's the most effective thing that can be done.
00:19:42.180 I'm sorry, go ahead.
00:19:43.040 And if the iodine can't be tolerated, you can do the same with hydrogen peroxide, just three quarters of a teaspoon, shot glass of water, same procedure.
00:19:52.140 And if it stings, that means it's too strong for the individual.
00:19:55.160 It can be more dilute.
00:19:55.960 But the virucidal nasal wash is far and away, supported by 12 trials, Lou, and just a few dollars per household is the single most important thing one can do.
00:20:05.800 My wife and I learned that lesson with hydrogen peroxide.
00:20:09.560 We learned to adjust to dilute it in quick order.
00:20:16.600 So, and by the way, we still, you know, thank God it's been successful for us.
00:20:25.000 Children, masks, vaccination, your recommendation.
00:20:29.280 Well, we had a presentation, again, Aaron Carrity, who's a psychiatrist, former professor at UC Irvine.
00:20:35.820 It's clear that masks are damaging our children.
00:20:39.100 They're damaging their development, their learning development.
00:20:42.420 They don't prevent the spread of COVID-19.
00:20:45.280 The children are now largely immune.
00:20:47.260 You know, by the way, the kids are back at school.
00:20:48.940 We've had still no large school outbreaks.
00:20:51.240 That tells you that the children are an immunologic buffer.
00:20:54.700 Now, for the same reason, the children don't need the vaccines.
00:20:57.160 I give the presentation on myocarditis or heart inflammation.
00:21:00.940 The FDA agrees the vaccines cause heart inflammation in children.
00:21:05.700 Attempts to normalize it or minimize it, in my view, are irresponsible.
00:21:11.300 In one case of myocarditis, it's far too many.
00:21:14.280 We had a man in the room, Lou, whose son died of myocarditis needlessly after taking one of the vaccines.
00:21:20.920 Have you had any personal—has there been any kind of repercussion to you as a result of your—and Dr. Malone and others' valued efforts—to get the American people the truth,
00:21:38.700 or at least to begin searching for truth within the medical, public health, pharmaceutical industries?
00:21:44.380 Lou, it's been extraordinary.
00:21:47.140 You know, I've had a perfect academic track record.
00:21:49.160 I'm the most published person in my field in the world in history.
00:21:52.520 I led a crack—a absolutely crack research team at my institution, a perfect program administration.
00:22:00.340 I got large grants.
00:22:01.800 I discovered how to treat COVID-19.
00:22:03.640 I put drugs into combination.
00:22:05.000 I published my findings.
00:22:06.180 I proved it worked.
00:22:07.040 I testified in the U.S. Senate, and as a reward for that, Lou, I was effectively terminated from my job as an academic physician
00:22:15.040 and had to transfer my practice to a private practice.
00:22:19.260 Now I have a lawsuit on my hand because the health system is trying to keep me off of important shows like yours,
00:22:26.320 bringing the word of truth to Americans.
00:22:29.500 Well, I want to just say, and I'm sure I speak for millions and millions of people,
00:22:34.100 Doctor, we're eternally grateful for your courage and bringing your knowledge and expertise to the forefront
00:22:44.200 to deal with this critically important public health issue, this pandemic.
00:22:51.980 You know, you've made America better and saved, I'm sure, a lot of lives in so doing.
00:22:59.860 What is next for you?
00:23:01.620 What's next for us is, I think, a critical juncture where the mandates need to be fully dropped across the board.
00:23:09.160 You saw the United Kingdom recently just capitulate and drop basically almost everything on pandemic response.
00:23:16.020 Ireland followed at least once.
00:23:17.700 Eastern European country followed.
00:23:19.380 And while we're in this fracture where, you know, one district is going towards, you know,
00:23:24.160 restrictive draconian measures and the other one is opening up,
00:23:28.440 we're going to have to get to some uniformity across the United States.
00:23:31.800 Americans are fatigued on this.
00:23:33.700 They want to go back to normal.
00:23:35.080 I think right now if we dropped all the mandates, we simply treated high-risk patients as they come forward,
00:23:42.080 we could close this pandemic now.
00:23:44.140 I announced actually last night on national TV, the view of the panel was the emergency phase of this is over.
00:23:50.900 There is no more emergency.
00:23:52.180 It's time for America to get back to normal business.
00:23:55.960 Let me close with two quick questions.
00:23:57.480 Israel now advising a fourth shot.
00:23:59.960 Are we over-vaccinating our immune systems in this country?
00:24:04.540 The World Health Organization says we are, Lou.
00:24:06.920 They're warning that it's actually going to weaken the immune system.
00:24:09.580 The human body cannot keep taking these injections.
00:24:12.320 We've exhausted any benefit of them, and we need to move on.
00:24:16.000 And I want, as we close, to get your reaction to, I was talking about your courage, Joe Rogan, certainly now is under great attack.
00:24:29.440 He's a strong fellow, and I'm sure will endure and prevail.
00:24:33.860 But your thoughts about the attack on him and his role in bringing these issues, popularizing those issues himself, for which I think he deserves immense credit as well.
00:24:47.300 I agree.
00:24:48.300 He deserves immense credit.
00:24:49.480 And it started with his own treatment.
00:24:51.460 He received treatment for COVID-19, appropriate treatment, including monoclonal antibodies and other drugs in combination.
00:24:59.060 Then Aaron Rodgers, quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, did as well.
00:25:04.240 It started with them.
00:25:05.640 And when Joe Rogan, you know, it took about a month for me to get on a show because of scheduling.
00:25:09.300 When I went on, I cited the data, Lou.
00:25:11.540 I showed slides.
00:25:12.700 I showed every single data point.
00:25:14.340 Now people are reading every word and making ad hominem attacks.
00:25:17.960 I just responded to D Magazine here in Dallas.
00:25:20.420 And I said very nicely, I'm glad they're reading every word.
00:25:24.120 Now they should actually.
00:25:25.760 Now, you know, let's start to have a dialogue and discussion and let's stop the attacks.
00:25:30.840 Yeah, absolutely.
00:25:32.920 And again, Dr., credit to you.
00:25:35.760 Thanks so much for everything that you're doing for this country.
00:25:38.760 We appreciate you being with us.
00:25:41.200 And I look forward to our next discussion, I hope, soon.
00:25:45.360 Thanks so much, Dr. Peter McCullough.
00:25:48.620 And now we turn to our next guest.
00:25:51.320 He is an accomplished computer scientist, a Ph.D. in computer science.
00:25:56.960 He has studied throughout his career and researched in Israel.
00:26:02.280 He is a formidable, formidable mind tackling deep issues associated with deep learning.
00:26:10.880 And Eli David is our guest here next.
00:26:14.380 Thanks for being with us as we come together here to fight for truth, justice and the American way.
00:26:21.100 And what a fight it has become.
00:26:23.380 It's almost impossible to list to categorize the number of outrageously chaotic and disastrous public policy initiatives undertaken by this Biden White House.
00:26:35.080 It's throwing our borders wide open to illegal immigration, compelling public support by the billions of dollars for illegal immigrants, denigrating hardworking American families as they do so, denigrating their aspirations as well for their children. 0.96
00:26:52.800 Those children being indoctrinated in our public schools these days, radicalized in our colleges and universities and the Biden revisionism of American history, his efforts to nationalize our electoral system, to destroy states' rights and federalism, to create a one party system of government.
00:27:12.360 And, of course, that one party would be his, the radical dims who are bending the party toward creation of neo-Marxist, totalitarian government.
00:27:23.300 That's not, by the way, if there's any doubt, hyperbole.
00:27:27.200 That's not exaggeration.
00:27:29.240 It is the bald, straightforward truth of this time in America, this very moment.
00:27:35.080 All the while, events taking place around the world are inexorably advancing toward conflict, in my opinion.
00:27:43.440 Xi Jinping is displaying the unbound hubris of an authoritarian leader who means to dominate each and every continent, to plant China's flag, it seems, on both poles and then hold dominion over the world.
00:27:56.660 No less authoritarian, but perhaps slightly less expansive in his ambition, but every bit as much a communist dictator, Russian President Vladimir Putin has amassed his troops on various pressure points along the western Russian border, likely flashpoints, now that his troops and tanks and artillery are pointed east, whether at the Ukraine, Belarus, or Poland.
00:28:23.020 And all this while, Europe is led by new and untested leaders.
00:28:28.440 The NATO alliance seems confused about how to respond to the Russians and their threats, and uncertain of its very nature and future and reliability of the member states that make up NATO.
00:28:42.280 And the Middle East now seems an open and rough road for the Iranians, but open nonetheless. 0.94
00:28:48.080 Strengthened relations with both Russia and China, while American leadership is not only inexperienced, but arrogant and indolent.
00:28:58.240 A Pentagon that can't handle even a surrender in Afghanistan, as this president threw more than 20 years of military engagement in Afghanistan and surrounding nations to the wind, without consideration, let alone strategy or purpose.
00:29:13.380 And in context, all the while, each of the leaders I've mentioned is making every effort to keep their economies working, their societies functioning, while they deal with a global pandemic that is testing in particular the leaders of Europe and the United States.
00:29:29.800 Whether in the next phase, whether in the next phase, whether in the next phase and development of effective vaccines, treatments, and research and development of new medical and pharmaceutical defenses against the ever-evolving variants of the China virus,
00:29:42.080 or perhaps the more than likely arrival of an altogether new virus that could possibly be even more lethal, more disruptive than the Wuhan virus.
00:29:53.020 Today, we invited Eli David, PhD, computer scientist, venture capitalist, and original thinker, I think without peer, frankly, if I may say, to join us to share with us his considerable intellect, his knowledge, and broad analytical skills to take up all that is happening in our hyper-complex world.
00:30:17.640 Eli, great to have you with us.
00:30:19.140 We thank you so very much for being on The Great America Show.
00:30:23.020 Great to be here.
00:30:23.920 Thank you for inviting me.
00:30:25.580 Well, let's wade right in.
00:30:28.200 We are looking at a world that is chaotic.
00:30:33.640 It is dangerous.
00:30:36.680 It seemingly is not being covered any longer by the news media that seems to have taken on the role of puppets for their corporate masters, certainly in the United States.
00:30:49.020 What is your impression of the times in which we all live?
00:30:57.160 Frankly, until two years ago, I was an optimist, optimist in almost everything, in civilization, in technology, in everything.
00:31:05.600 But the past two years have made me, I wouldn't say pessimist, but not as optimistic as I used to be.
00:31:13.520 There were things that I used to take for granted, such as evidence-based science.
00:31:18.280 We take decisions, the governments make decisions, at least the Western world take decisions based on data, based on evidence, based on science.
00:31:28.840 But I think these are the biggest victims of COVID.
00:31:31.900 So I would say COVID is indeed a deadly pandemic.
00:31:35.280 It killed many of these things, evidence-based data, science, and things that since the Middle Ages, we thought that we are dependent on them.
00:31:44.800 We are decades back or maybe even centuries back due to what COVID did to us, or more accurately, our response to COVID.
00:31:54.160 Our response to COVID has been, we are here now more than two years in experience with the pandemic, the Wuhan virus, as it's variously called, the China virus.
00:32:12.640 But we don't, it seems, it seems clear to, I think most Americans, have a public health system that's two years smarter, two years better, that has two years of knowledge about how to contend and to defeat the virus, how to save lives.
00:32:31.400 We're better at it, but it doesn't seem like two years worth of progress in the effort.
00:32:36.660 Your thoughts?
00:32:38.460 Let me make an admission I've never made anywhere.
00:32:41.640 When COVID started, and in early 2020, I wasn't supportive of lockdowns, but I kind of understood them.
00:32:50.760 I understood that, well, maybe this is what we need.
00:32:53.860 I was in crowded places, not only I was wearing masks, I was always wearing N95 masks. 1.00
00:33:00.320 I was worried because we didn't have data.
00:33:03.820 So if there is no data, maybe it makes sense to err on the side of caution.
00:33:08.100 But that was at the beginning of the pandemic, when we were seeing videos coming out of China of people randomly collapsing in the streets.
00:33:17.500 By the way, it never happened anywhere in the Western world.
00:33:20.560 We know that those videos were fake.
00:33:22.800 But that was the beginning.
00:33:24.100 Now, a few months after that, already I remember in May 2020, the great Stanford physician and statistician, John Ioannidis, by the way, the most cited physician in the world,
00:33:38.060 he did a rigorous analysis of data showing that COVID is, for the vast majority of the population, for those who are not non-elderly and are not immunocompromised, it is no more deadlier than annual flu.
00:33:54.980 And that was back then.
00:33:56.760 Now we have much more data.
00:33:58.440 We have vaccines.
00:33:59.400 We have effective treatments.
00:34:00.600 Looking at excess mortality, which is the only number that actually counts, by any measure we'll look at it, COVID is no longer a pandemic.
00:34:10.480 It's endemic.
00:34:11.560 We have 200 annual respiratory viruses.
00:34:16.520 Now we have another one. 0.96
00:34:17.960 There is no data-based reason to look at COVID as a pandemic and take all these mind-bogglingly stupid steps the governments do, the restrictions, the economic harm that all the governments do.
00:34:33.920 These are not based on any data, no matter how we look at the data we have in hand.
00:34:38.980 And stunning has been the, I guess, the intramural, I would put it, conflicts that have arisen within public health, whether they're doctors or research scientists or, in point of fact, simply mouthpieces for a government, in this case, the government of Joe Biden.
00:35:03.000 Dr. Fauci has become Mr. Science.
00:35:05.480 I have never heard anyone with the hubris to say, I am science.
00:35:11.540 I just was stunned.
00:35:13.460 I mean, what was your reaction to that as a man who is a scientist, who is a diligent researcher and is seeking truth and effective realities every day?
00:35:30.880 I was shocked.
00:35:33.160 That's my reaction.
00:35:34.180 You know, science is where we all doubt.
00:35:37.100 Science is never settled.
00:35:39.060 We always should, and we took it for granted.
00:35:42.320 Science welcomes doubts, welcomes questions.
00:35:45.760 So somebody coming and saying, I am science, the science is settled, that's just crazy.
00:35:51.500 And the funny thing is that the settled science changes every day.
00:35:55.020 At the beginning, the same Fauci said, don't wear masks, then do wear masks, then double mask.
00:36:00.020 And each time it says, yes, science is settled.
00:36:02.580 And at the same time, there were experts who are the foremost experts in the world for expressing their opinion on this.
00:36:11.540 For example, Martin Kullendorf from Harvard University, one of the co-authors of the great Barrington Declaration, together with leading researchers from Stanford, from Oxford University.
00:36:21.820 They expressed their expert medical scientists, scientific based opinion, and they were qualified to express it.
00:36:30.580 Now we see from the leaked emails that the NIH and Fauci are exchanging emails how to publicly attack these scientists instead of engaging in a scientific discussion with them.
00:36:44.260 So I know that he's saying he is science, but his behavior, his comments are anything but scientific since the beginning of this pandemic.
00:36:53.120 And you mentioned Fauci, his, I guess, a counterpoint would be Florida, where Governor DeSantis has been very clear about using empirical bases for public policy choices that he's making.
00:37:11.960 He has actually been regarding science, giving it priority in his public policy choices.
00:37:21.840 And yet there is this ideological divide in the country between the left, which claims science, and the conservatives and moderate Republicans, who are, in point of fact, following science.
00:37:36.980 This is indeed crazy, it has turned into something political.
00:37:43.700 In a rational world, that decisions are being made based on evidence and data, the whole world should have looked like Florida.
00:37:53.000 All the leaders of the world should have looked like Ron DeSantis.
00:37:56.920 Every step of what he has done so far has been evidence-based.
00:38:00.040 He made the mistake initially of supporting lockdown, as many scientists did, as even I understood that, because there was not much data.
00:38:09.480 But the moment the data was available, Ron DeSantis, he consulted with many of the leading scientists, having different opinions.
00:38:20.000 He listened to them.
00:38:21.180 He learned where the data is, where evidence is, and he took measures based on that.
00:38:25.500 And one of the greatest things that he has done, and other leaders should learn from him, there are some things that, at some point, that we cannot do anything.
00:38:35.480 As we say, medicine, first, do no harm.
00:38:38.960 Sometimes the actions cause much more damage than doing nothing.
00:38:43.740 We see that, for example, in border restrictions.
00:38:46.180 Almost all countries have different kinds of border restrictions.
00:38:49.880 It didn't help.
00:38:50.740 It has never helped.
00:38:51.680 It's not helping.
00:38:52.540 But still, they keep on doing that.
00:38:55.540 Florida, to me, it looks like one of the only rational places I'm there.
00:39:00.240 I was in Florida a few months ago.
00:39:02.520 And it was just unbelievable seeing how a normal life looks like.
00:39:07.000 And contrast that with the crazy life we are being forced to live in all the other countries and states.
00:39:13.940 Let me turn to your discipline, and that is computer science, artificial intelligence, deep thinking.
00:39:25.400 Your view of what we've been able to garner about, specifically, first, the pandemic, or now the endemic, as you put it.
00:39:38.920 What did you learn that came specifically from an analysis of the data, deep thinking, artificial intelligence?
00:39:48.460 There are two disciplines in analysis of data.
00:39:54.840 One discipline is making first assumptions about how real world looks like, how the behavior is running, and then building models to predict that.
00:40:09.000 That is the kind of models run by Neil Ferguson from the UK that published that scary model of exponential growth and many different modelers.
00:40:22.080 In Israel, we have those modelers.
00:40:24.020 Essentially, you make an assumption and then run the model, and you reach crazy conclusions.
00:40:28.880 By the way, in Israel, there was a model just a few weeks ago that predicted that in 20 days, there would be a million cases a day.
00:40:37.980 After those 20 days, there were only 10,000 cases a day.
00:40:41.260 So the model was off by just 100 times.
00:40:44.320 Where were those middle million cases, where was it projecting that?
00:40:48.600 In Israel, the United States?
00:40:50.560 In Israel, in Israel. 0.85
00:40:52.480 And the population of Israel is how many?
00:40:55.900 The entire population is a little over 9 million.
00:40:58.880 That was crazy.
00:41:00.760 That was crazy.
00:41:01.340 But when you make assumptions, you run the model.
00:41:05.120 And the thing is, they keep on doing that.
00:41:08.060 You look at the official models in the UK, in the CDC, in the US, in Israel.
00:41:14.140 They keep on using the same models of exponential growth.
00:41:18.120 And in this pandemic, we'll learn that you cannot do that in real world.
00:41:22.600 What you must do is the second approach that, for example, in my discipline, we'll look at that.
00:41:27.660 We approach the data by saying, we, the experts, the humans, we don't know anything.
00:41:33.620 We cannot assume anything.
00:41:35.260 We need to collect data and analyze the data and let the data speak.
00:41:40.260 To give you an example, we've all seen the research papers showing that in laboratory conditions, face masks do prevent transmission.
00:41:49.200 They do reduce viral load.
00:41:50.980 But in real world, when you look at the data, you compare adjacent states that one of them mandated masks and the other didn't.
00:41:59.800 When you compare them, you see no difference.
00:42:02.100 So the reason could be that they are not protecting.
00:42:06.720 The reason could be that people are not wearing masks properly.
00:42:09.780 The reason can be anything.
00:42:11.600 But the data from real world tell us that masks are not effective.
00:42:16.980 End of story.
00:42:18.360 So the thing that became vivid in this pandemic, you cannot model the world with assumptions.
00:42:24.700 You must look at real world data and let the data speak.
00:42:28.300 Unfortunately, that's not the prevalent approach.
00:42:30.980 Yes, you're exactly right.
00:42:34.620 And, but, you know, I, I've always felt that those masks, at least when I was going out to the tractor supply store or wherever I was, you know, I felt a little better having that mascot as I walked in.
00:42:49.120 And now, you know, I've exceeded to the reality that there, there just isn't, there just isn't a difference that is at least appreciably worth the, the aggravation of it all.
00:43:03.460 And then I have an 11 year old granddaughter who told me point blank, you know, grandpa, this, and I was suggesting she might want to wear a mask when we went in.
00:43:15.000 And she said, no, it's, it's not good for me to do that.
00:43:18.740 And I said, okay, and did a little research and she was exactly right.
00:43:24.540 The fact that, you know, 11 year olds are outwitting me at my age is a little disconcerting and embarrassing.
00:43:33.420 But the fact of the matter is she's, she's in line at 11 with the empirical real world and the research that you and others have, have turned up.
00:43:45.600 So, first of all, she's a very smart 11 years old, obviously, and I would dare say she's smarter than many of the people who are making our public policy.
00:43:56.020 She looked at the data and said, well, there is no data that masks are effective, therefore, they're not effective.
00:44:02.280 Many of the public policy leaders, they look at the data, they say the mask is not effective, therefore, we need to double mask.
00:44:08.880 After that, I guess they will say we need to triple mask, et cetera.
00:44:12.540 They are never accepting that a hypothesis was wrong.
00:44:17.860 And that's the basic of science.
00:44:19.500 The Nobel laureate, Richard Feynman, he was one of the core teams of the Manhattan Project in the 1940s.
00:44:27.220 He once said the essence of science is that when you make a theory, when you have a theory and the data, the experiment contradicts it, your theory is wrong.
00:44:39.000 It doesn't matter who you are, how famous you are, how many publications you have, your theory is wrong.
00:44:45.260 That's the essence of science.
00:44:46.680 He said that six years ago, eight years ago.
00:44:50.180 We've all forgotten about that.
00:44:53.400 It's true.
00:44:54.620 And chilling was the early comments from Elon Musk, the world's richest man, an intrepid entrepreneur, and highly, obviously, successful.
00:45:10.380 But he, talking about AI, and he employs, obviously, artificial intelligence in Tesla, in SpaceX, and who knows what else.
00:45:22.360 But he talked about it with dread, very concerned, talking about nuclear weapons are, to him, less frightening than the possibilities with deep learning, with AI.
00:45:37.660 Your reaction?
00:45:38.420 First of all, I regard Elon Musk as one of the smartest people that I know personally.
00:45:48.560 I once met him.
00:45:49.560 He is a very bright person.
00:45:51.620 And by the way, he was so bright that early on in the COVID set, the entire government response is crazy.
00:45:56.200 He was one of the few guys very early on, saw the data, reached a conclusion.
00:46:00.600 I partially agree with Elon Musk, and I'm partially concerned, but due to different things.
00:46:05.640 I do believe that in the distant future, when deep learning becomes smarter and smarter, and at some point in the future, I do believe computers will become as smart as we are and smarter than us.
00:46:19.220 There is no theoretical barrier for that.
00:46:21.500 There is no reason why it shouldn't happen.
00:46:23.900 But I don't think it will happen in the next few years or even next decade or two.
00:46:28.900 It will take a long time.
00:46:30.360 It will be over the distant horizon.
00:46:32.480 And at that point, yes, Elon Musk is correct to be afraid of that.
00:46:38.220 But I think there are reasons to be scared about that right now, not in the distant future.
00:46:42.900 For example, when we're speaking of autonomous weapons, weapons that autonomously themselves, based on AI, make the decision when to fire, what to target, who to target, etc.
00:46:57.580 In the Western countries, we have our own morale code.
00:47:02.740 We are very careful about that.
00:47:04.960 We will not just deploy AI-based weapons, because we know the risks of that.
00:47:12.160 But not all the countries have those kind of limitations.
00:47:15.520 You look at some other countries, they're openly stating that they are developing autonomous AI-based systems.
00:47:22.540 And to me, that is a scarier thing.
00:47:25.380 In the distant future, AI may be smarter than humans, and that's a different scenario.
00:47:29.900 And Elon Musk is right about that.
00:47:31.460 But already now, in the next few years, in the next decade or two, some countries may develop and deploy autonomous weapons, and that's a scary scenario.
00:47:44.200 Let me, before we go too much farther, just go to a few questions.
00:47:49.000 Do masks work?
00:47:49.960 Do vaccines work?
00:47:51.600 Is the virus getting milder or not, based on your analysis?
00:47:57.060 Again, I can just analyze that based on data.
00:48:01.420 I'm a data person.
00:48:02.260 I'm not a virologist.
00:48:03.480 I'm not a immunologist.
00:48:05.280 Looking at the data, I would say the following.
00:48:08.400 There is no real-world evidence that masks work.
00:48:12.200 When comparing adjacent countries, states, some of them mandating masks, some of them not mandating masks,
00:48:19.420 we don't see any difference, any statistically significant difference in the spread of the virus.
00:48:27.640 So my conclusion is that it's not working for reasons that I don't know.
00:48:32.480 Just looking at the data, I can say it does not work.
00:48:35.340 For the vaccines, looking at the data, there is good indication that vaccines, especially for the elderly and at-risk populations,
00:48:44.360 it's reducing the risk of severe illness and death.
00:48:48.820 We are clearly seeing that.
00:48:52.540 But it is not stopping the transmission of the virus.
00:48:56.780 For the first version, the alpha version of COVID, we saw some good evidence that the vaccines also reduce transmission.
00:49:06.000 For Delta variant, that was already severely impaired, and it almost couldn't stop them. 0.98
00:49:12.400 And for Omicron, we see the data and the efficacy of vaccines for stopping transmission is practically zero.
00:49:19.660 So my personal database conclusion is that vaccines are good, especially for the at-risk and elderly population.
00:49:28.260 They reduce the risk of severe illness and hospitalization.
00:49:32.520 But vaccines do nothing to reduce transmission, and so COVID passports are just ridiculous.
00:49:38.800 The premise of COVID passports is those who are vaccinated will transmit the virus less, and that's simply wrong.
00:49:48.480 And we see crazy public policies based on that, like the recent deportation of Novak Djokovic from Australia.
00:49:55.380 Right.
00:49:56.160 That was incredible.
00:49:57.660 If you saw my tweet, I was furious over that.
00:50:01.220 There is no evidence regarding that.
00:50:03.800 And lockdowns, looking at the data, we can safely say today that lockdowns directly and indirectly killed many more people than they say.
00:50:14.820 Lockdowns are probably the biggest public policy failure, at least during the past decades.
00:50:22.020 With that summation, you know, I have to say I've been looking at Israel throughout the pandemic and following the research, particularly over the past year.
00:50:34.000 And it seems to me that almost without fail, Israel has been months ahead, three months, four months, whatever it might be, ahead of anything being generated in the United States when it came to the vaccines, to the virus, the variants.
00:50:52.660 Then comes word this week that Israel is looking at a fourth booster shot.
00:51:01.200 And I'm scratching my head, trying to figure out how that lines up with all of the other research done in Israel and the experience with the pandemic.
00:51:10.760 Your thoughts about four boosters, five, six boosters, seven.
00:51:15.640 What is how far are we to go with this?
00:51:17.960 What happened in Israel, especially Israel, is a great example of the success of the private sector and failure of government.
00:51:27.040 Israel is the second country in the world after U.S. in terms of absolute number of technology startup companies, not per capita, in absolute numbers, even though we're a small company.
00:51:37.900 So great success for the private sector.
00:51:40.360 For government, the Israeli government indeed made every mistake possible during this pandemic, and including some mistakes that were unique to Israel.
00:51:49.460 So how did the fourth vaccine got that approval?
00:51:53.080 The scientists said, based on the leaked reports in the Israeli media, the scientists said they need to run experiments to see if it's effective.
00:52:03.300 Even politicians pressured them that there is no time, and miraculously, they got approved.
00:52:09.600 And so far, we have initial results.
00:52:11.740 The efficacy is completely disappointing.
00:52:13.860 A few days ago, it was published.
00:52:15.840 So again, there is no evidence-based decision-making.
00:52:20.060 It is just trying to show that you're making decisions.
00:52:24.060 Or to quote a line from my favorite 1980s British TV series, Yes, Prime Minister, it says, politicians like to panic.
00:52:32.840 That's their substitute for achievement.
00:52:35.220 And that's what we see in Israel.
00:52:37.240 Well, it's what we're also seeing.
00:52:39.460 I think we can be highly competent of this.
00:52:42.980 We're also seeing it certainly in the United States as well.
00:52:46.900 I want to turn, if I may, to the broader, the geopolitics and big data, deep thinking, artificial intelligence, and its applications.
00:53:02.460 We are looking at a world right now, as I discussed just briefly opening the show.
00:53:08.140 Whether it is Russian troops on its western border, whether it is Xi Jinping threatening Taiwan, taking over Hong Kong, the aggressive expansionism is now bordering on the lunatic from these two communist countries.
00:53:31.380 Because Russia remains communist, by any definition.
00:53:36.000 What are your thoughts?
00:53:38.880 What is your thinking about the state of the world, including Europe, of course?
00:53:44.060 One of my biggest concerns for the next few years is what you mentioned, the geopolitics around Taiwan.
00:53:57.260 Something that many people don't know is that almost every advanced semiconductor computer processor today that is built, it is built in Taiwan.
00:54:08.840 There are great American companies, for example, NVIDIA.
00:54:13.080 NVIDIA is the company that is powering the entire AI revolution.
00:54:17.260 When you're doing advanced AI, it doesn't matter for computer vision, speech recognition, text understanding.
00:54:23.620 It's almost all of that is based on NVIDIA chips.
00:54:27.140 It's due to that NVIDIA's market cap just in 2015 was $17 billion.
00:54:33.560 Today, it's getting close to $700 billion.
00:54:36.260 But one thing that many people don't know is all of that semiconductor, the advanced 7-nanometer semiconductor, most of that is built in Taiwan.
00:54:47.320 Almost all of that is built in Taiwan.
00:54:49.020 A little of that in South Korea.
00:54:51.160 So I'm looking at the AMD, the great American company, the semiconductor company.
00:54:57.060 Almost all of the processors are, again, built in Taiwan.
00:55:00.040 To the extent that today, on U.S. soil, there is no manufacturing plant that is capable of creating these advanced 7-nanometer hardware.
00:55:11.340 And that's a huge strategic concern.
00:55:16.320 And the previous Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, was really concerned about that.
00:55:19.760 He convinced the Taiwanese TSMC, the biggest producer in the world, to open a producing factory in Arizona.
00:55:28.340 It will take a few years for that to work.
00:55:30.720 But that's just the beginning.
00:55:33.600 Taiwan is the hub.
00:55:35.200 Taiwan is just next to China.
00:55:37.740 And if something happens to Taiwan or there is a crisis there, the entire advanced semiconductor production of the world will come to almost a halt.
00:55:49.040 And that's a grave scenario.
00:55:51.040 And line that up with the fact that the United States is 97 percent dependent upon China for pharmaceuticals and pharmaceutical ingredients, for even advanced technology.
00:56:05.740 Our dependency on China, people should understand, as they get very exercised about China, that right now China has hostages that it is holding against the United States, whether they be Apple, whether they be other companies that are invested and whose intellectual capital they actually have a stranglehold on as well.
00:56:31.200 It's difficult to imagine a rational, let alone, we don't have to get into the issue of how intelligent Americans are, but that a rational people would have ever put a superpower in a dependent position against, if you don't want to call China an enemy, at least a competitor.
00:56:51.720 Indeed, there are multiple dependencies, U.S. on China and China and the U.S.
00:57:01.560 And of course, as we look year after year, the strength of China, the technological strength of China is just increasing rapidly in every area.
00:57:10.780 I see that in artificial intelligence, but in different areas as well.
00:57:14.000 Again, looking as an Israeli that has vested interest in the success of the Western world led by the U.S., that is really concerning me, seeing that the global weakness of U.S. and U.S. policy.
00:57:29.400 In the previous administration, it looked like it understood the strategic threat and it engaged in negotiations for a better deal.
00:57:40.400 Because the person who led the administration was a professional negotiator.
00:57:46.120 My concern is that that's not happening right now.
00:57:49.620 I think the best that we can ask all of us who care about the free world, the United States, Israel, all democracies around the world,
00:58:02.740 and there are admittedly fewer of them than there were 10 years ago, we had better hope that Joe Biden remains, I'll put it this way, passive and doesn't get egregiously aggressive,
00:58:18.680 given the limitations that are obvious for his administration and his leadership.
00:58:25.160 I've said that about as delicately as I can say it.
00:58:27.520 Let's turn also to Russia.
00:58:32.900 What is your judgment about what Putin is up to, or do you give it any mind?
00:58:40.660 I don't have any firm opinion on that, because on China, I see closely the technology and the huge technological leaps.
00:58:53.280 The situation with Russia looks less about technology and technological dominance,
00:58:58.180 and much more with a battle of one former superpower that wants to regain its position as a superpower.
00:59:08.760 And it looks like that the other side of the ocean, there is a, they do view not very strong administration.
00:59:19.880 That's, it looks, but again, I look at that as an onlooker, and a very concerned onlooker.
00:59:27.460 Yeah, well, I join you in that concern.
00:59:30.980 And it's also, there's a bit of a cautionary tale in this for those of our listeners who aren't aware of where hypersonic missile technology originated.
00:59:40.760 It was a byproduct of the laboratories, and particularly DARPA in the United States, but also in the Soviet Union, back in the 1990s.
00:59:55.460 And both the Soviet Union and Russia, the successor state, and the United States, over the course of these past 30 years, just sort of put it aside.
01:00:08.240 Meanwhile, China is now foremost, it has the most advanced hypersonic missile technology, and we're talking about hypersonic missiles that move at, let's say, an average speed of 9 or 10 times, a Mach speed, the speed of sound.
01:00:27.600 And it's really stunning to see how clumsy and gratuitously we have squandered intellectual property in the United States in particular.
01:00:39.720 It's just mind-numbing to think that what we have simply thrown toward the Communist Chinese is a gift from the indifferent Americans.
01:00:53.840 And that's only what we see.
01:00:58.340 There's no less concern in developments of things that we don't see, the cyber warfare.
01:01:05.340 China, Russia, they have, same as the U.S., they have advanced cyber capabilities.
01:01:12.480 And even though every now and then we hear about nation-stake cyber attacks, they're just small scale.
01:01:21.100 In a total confrontation scenario, my big worry is that we're going to see cyber attacks that are going to completely bring national infrastructures to a halt, things that we have never imagined.
01:01:35.720 And the electricity grades, the water supply, different energy supply, these are realistic scenarios in the next major confrontation.
01:01:45.060 So it doesn't need to be supersonic missiles to be really scary.
01:01:51.660 Well, I'm scared enough, I have to say, but we'll continue to probe the borders of fear and optimism.
01:02:01.260 And I've really enjoyed this conversation.
01:02:03.700 We always give our guests the last word, Eli.
01:02:08.540 And if you will, I'd just like to hear, what was it that Elon Musk said that he was afraid of when it came to artificial intelligence summoning the devil?
01:02:20.660 What is your greatest fear about artificial intelligence and your greatest hope?
01:02:29.560 Regarding AI, I do have my concerns.
01:02:34.160 Some of them I share with Elon Musk, but I'm much more optimistic about that.
01:02:39.680 I think AI will do much more good to the world than those scary things.
01:02:46.540 One of the things, for example, and I've co-founded a company working on that, is using artificial intelligence for better healthcare, for predicting diseases early on, for better treatment.
01:02:57.600 I think we're going to see in the next few years and decades a revolution in healthcare thanks to AI.
01:03:05.060 Today, when we have a certain disease, it is not tailor-made.
01:03:09.600 The treatment is not tailor-made.
01:03:11.080 It's just the same fits all.
01:03:13.220 We are going to see tailor-made medicine thanks to AI.
01:03:17.200 So the world will be a much better place in the next few decades thanks to artificial intelligence.
01:03:23.540 And again, like every technology in the history of humanity, it will have downsides and it will have upsides.
01:03:30.540 And I do believe that the upsides are, by orders of magnitude, more than the downsides.
01:03:36.040 So I'm very hopeful about AI.
01:03:38.900 My hope is much bigger than my concern.
01:03:43.060 My concern is actually due to how the humanity reacted, the madness that ensued in the past two years, and it's still going on.
01:03:52.400 It a bit changed my faith in the rational thinking of humanity and especially the decision makers.
01:04:01.840 Yes.
01:04:02.660 Well, those decision makers, we sometimes, and not laughingly, as we should, refer to them as leaders.
01:04:11.100 Hopefully, we will do better for ourselves in our choice of leaders.
01:04:16.480 Eli, David, I'm thrilled at our choice of guests today.
01:04:20.040 Thank you for being with us.
01:04:21.180 I hope you will join us, well, actually, regularly and frequently.
01:04:26.640 I wish you all the best, and thanks for being with us here on The Great America Show.
01:04:32.340 Thank you very much.
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01:04:36.860 Stay in the fight.
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