00:19:43.040And if the iodine can't be tolerated, you can do the same with hydrogen peroxide, just three quarters of a teaspoon, shot glass of water, same procedure.
00:19:52.140And if it stings, that means it's too strong for the individual.
00:19:55.960But the virucidal nasal wash is far and away, supported by 12 trials, Lou, and just a few dollars per household is the single most important thing one can do.
00:20:05.800My wife and I learned that lesson with hydrogen peroxide.
00:20:09.560We learned to adjust to dilute it in quick order.
00:20:16.600So, and by the way, we still, you know, thank God it's been successful for us.
00:20:25.000Children, masks, vaccination, your recommendation.
00:20:29.280Well, we had a presentation, again, Aaron Carrity, who's a psychiatrist, former professor at UC Irvine.
00:20:35.820It's clear that masks are damaging our children.
00:20:39.100They're damaging their development, their learning development.
00:20:42.420They don't prevent the spread of COVID-19.
00:20:47.260You know, by the way, the kids are back at school.
00:20:48.940We've had still no large school outbreaks.
00:20:51.240That tells you that the children are an immunologic buffer.
00:20:54.700Now, for the same reason, the children don't need the vaccines.
00:20:57.160I give the presentation on myocarditis or heart inflammation.
00:21:00.940The FDA agrees the vaccines cause heart inflammation in children.
00:21:05.700Attempts to normalize it or minimize it, in my view, are irresponsible.
00:21:11.300In one case of myocarditis, it's far too many.
00:21:14.280We had a man in the room, Lou, whose son died of myocarditis needlessly after taking one of the vaccines.
00:21:20.920Have you had any personal—has there been any kind of repercussion to you as a result of your—and Dr. Malone and others' valued efforts—to get the American people the truth,
00:21:38.700or at least to begin searching for truth within the medical, public health, pharmaceutical industries?
00:23:59.960Are we over-vaccinating our immune systems in this country?
00:24:04.540The World Health Organization says we are, Lou.
00:24:06.920They're warning that it's actually going to weaken the immune system.
00:24:09.580The human body cannot keep taking these injections.
00:24:12.320We've exhausted any benefit of them, and we need to move on.
00:24:16.000And I want, as we close, to get your reaction to, I was talking about your courage, Joe Rogan, certainly now is under great attack.
00:24:29.440He's a strong fellow, and I'm sure will endure and prevail.
00:24:33.860But your thoughts about the attack on him and his role in bringing these issues, popularizing those issues himself, for which I think he deserves immense credit as well.
00:26:23.380It's almost impossible to list to categorize the number of outrageously chaotic and disastrous public policy initiatives undertaken by this Biden White House.
00:26:35.080It's throwing our borders wide open to illegal immigration, compelling public support by the billions of dollars for illegal immigrants, denigrating hardworking American families as they do so, denigrating their aspirations as well for their children.
00:26:52.800Those children being indoctrinated in our public schools these days, radicalized in our colleges and universities and the Biden revisionism of American history, his efforts to nationalize our electoral system, to destroy states' rights and federalism, to create a one party system of government.
00:27:12.360And, of course, that one party would be his, the radical dims who are bending the party toward creation of neo-Marxist, totalitarian government.
00:27:23.300That's not, by the way, if there's any doubt, hyperbole.
00:27:29.240It is the bald, straightforward truth of this time in America, this very moment.
00:27:35.080All the while, events taking place around the world are inexorably advancing toward conflict, in my opinion.
00:27:43.440Xi Jinping is displaying the unbound hubris of an authoritarian leader who means to dominate each and every continent, to plant China's flag, it seems, on both poles and then hold dominion over the world.
00:27:56.660No less authoritarian, but perhaps slightly less expansive in his ambition, but every bit as much a communist dictator, Russian President Vladimir Putin has amassed his troops on various pressure points along the western Russian border, likely flashpoints, now that his troops and tanks and artillery are pointed east, whether at the Ukraine, Belarus, or Poland.
00:28:23.020And all this while, Europe is led by new and untested leaders.
00:28:28.440The NATO alliance seems confused about how to respond to the Russians and their threats, and uncertain of its very nature and future and reliability of the member states that make up NATO.
00:28:42.280And the Middle East now seems an open and rough road for the Iranians, but open nonetheless.
00:28:48.080Strengthened relations with both Russia and China, while American leadership is not only inexperienced, but arrogant and indolent.
00:28:58.240A Pentagon that can't handle even a surrender in Afghanistan, as this president threw more than 20 years of military engagement in Afghanistan and surrounding nations to the wind, without consideration, let alone strategy or purpose.
00:29:13.380And in context, all the while, each of the leaders I've mentioned is making every effort to keep their economies working, their societies functioning, while they deal with a global pandemic that is testing in particular the leaders of Europe and the United States.
00:29:29.800Whether in the next phase, whether in the next phase, whether in the next phase and development of effective vaccines, treatments, and research and development of new medical and pharmaceutical defenses against the ever-evolving variants of the China virus,
00:29:42.080or perhaps the more than likely arrival of an altogether new virus that could possibly be even more lethal, more disruptive than the Wuhan virus.
00:29:53.020Today, we invited Eli David, PhD, computer scientist, venture capitalist, and original thinker, I think without peer, frankly, if I may say, to join us to share with us his considerable intellect, his knowledge, and broad analytical skills to take up all that is happening in our hyper-complex world.
00:30:36.680It seemingly is not being covered any longer by the news media that seems to have taken on the role of puppets for their corporate masters, certainly in the United States.
00:30:49.020What is your impression of the times in which we all live?
00:30:57.160Frankly, until two years ago, I was an optimist, optimist in almost everything, in civilization, in technology, in everything.
00:31:05.600But the past two years have made me, I wouldn't say pessimist, but not as optimistic as I used to be.
00:31:13.520There were things that I used to take for granted, such as evidence-based science.
00:31:18.280We take decisions, the governments make decisions, at least the Western world take decisions based on data, based on evidence, based on science.
00:31:28.840But I think these are the biggest victims of COVID.
00:31:31.900So I would say COVID is indeed a deadly pandemic.
00:31:35.280It killed many of these things, evidence-based data, science, and things that since the Middle Ages, we thought that we are dependent on them.
00:31:44.800We are decades back or maybe even centuries back due to what COVID did to us, or more accurately, our response to COVID.
00:31:54.160Our response to COVID has been, we are here now more than two years in experience with the pandemic, the Wuhan virus, as it's variously called, the China virus.
00:32:12.640But we don't, it seems, it seems clear to, I think most Americans, have a public health system that's two years smarter, two years better, that has two years of knowledge about how to contend and to defeat the virus, how to save lives.
00:32:31.400We're better at it, but it doesn't seem like two years worth of progress in the effort.
00:32:38.460Let me make an admission I've never made anywhere.
00:32:41.640When COVID started, and in early 2020, I wasn't supportive of lockdowns, but I kind of understood them.
00:32:50.760I understood that, well, maybe this is what we need.
00:32:53.860I was in crowded places, not only I was wearing masks, I was always wearing N95 masks.
00:33:00.320I was worried because we didn't have data.
00:33:03.820So if there is no data, maybe it makes sense to err on the side of caution.
00:33:08.100But that was at the beginning of the pandemic, when we were seeing videos coming out of China of people randomly collapsing in the streets.
00:33:17.500By the way, it never happened anywhere in the Western world.
00:33:24.100Now, a few months after that, already I remember in May 2020, the great Stanford physician and statistician, John Ioannidis, by the way, the most cited physician in the world,
00:33:38.060he did a rigorous analysis of data showing that COVID is, for the vast majority of the population, for those who are not non-elderly and are not immunocompromised, it is no more deadlier than annual flu.
00:34:00.600Looking at excess mortality, which is the only number that actually counts, by any measure we'll look at it, COVID is no longer a pandemic.
00:34:17.960There is no data-based reason to look at COVID as a pandemic and take all these mind-bogglingly stupid steps the governments do, the restrictions, the economic harm that all the governments do.
00:34:33.920These are not based on any data, no matter how we look at the data we have in hand.
00:34:38.980And stunning has been the, I guess, the intramural, I would put it, conflicts that have arisen within public health, whether they're doctors or research scientists or, in point of fact, simply mouthpieces for a government, in this case, the government of Joe Biden.
00:35:13.460I mean, what was your reaction to that as a man who is a scientist, who is a diligent researcher and is seeking truth and effective realities every day?
00:35:45.760So somebody coming and saying, I am science, the science is settled, that's just crazy.
00:35:51.500And the funny thing is that the settled science changes every day.
00:35:55.020At the beginning, the same Fauci said, don't wear masks, then do wear masks, then double mask.
00:36:00.020And each time it says, yes, science is settled.
00:36:02.580And at the same time, there were experts who are the foremost experts in the world for expressing their opinion on this.
00:36:11.540For example, Martin Kullendorf from Harvard University, one of the co-authors of the great Barrington Declaration, together with leading researchers from Stanford, from Oxford University.
00:36:21.820They expressed their expert medical scientists, scientific based opinion, and they were qualified to express it.
00:36:30.580Now we see from the leaked emails that the NIH and Fauci are exchanging emails how to publicly attack these scientists instead of engaging in a scientific discussion with them.
00:36:44.260So I know that he's saying he is science, but his behavior, his comments are anything but scientific since the beginning of this pandemic.
00:36:53.120And you mentioned Fauci, his, I guess, a counterpoint would be Florida, where Governor DeSantis has been very clear about using empirical bases for public policy choices that he's making.
00:37:11.960He has actually been regarding science, giving it priority in his public policy choices.
00:37:21.840And yet there is this ideological divide in the country between the left, which claims science, and the conservatives and moderate Republicans, who are, in point of fact, following science.
00:37:36.980This is indeed crazy, it has turned into something political.
00:37:43.700In a rational world, that decisions are being made based on evidence and data, the whole world should have looked like Florida.
00:37:53.000All the leaders of the world should have looked like Ron DeSantis.
00:37:56.920Every step of what he has done so far has been evidence-based.
00:38:00.040He made the mistake initially of supporting lockdown, as many scientists did, as even I understood that, because there was not much data.
00:38:09.480But the moment the data was available, Ron DeSantis, he consulted with many of the leading scientists, having different opinions.
00:38:21.180He learned where the data is, where evidence is, and he took measures based on that.
00:38:25.500And one of the greatest things that he has done, and other leaders should learn from him, there are some things that, at some point, that we cannot do anything.
00:38:35.480As we say, medicine, first, do no harm.
00:38:38.960Sometimes the actions cause much more damage than doing nothing.
00:38:43.740We see that, for example, in border restrictions.
00:38:46.180Almost all countries have different kinds of border restrictions.
00:39:02.520And it was just unbelievable seeing how a normal life looks like.
00:39:07.000And contrast that with the crazy life we are being forced to live in all the other countries and states.
00:39:13.940Let me turn to your discipline, and that is computer science, artificial intelligence, deep thinking.
00:39:25.400Your view of what we've been able to garner about, specifically, first, the pandemic, or now the endemic, as you put it.
00:39:38.920What did you learn that came specifically from an analysis of the data, deep thinking, artificial intelligence?
00:39:48.460There are two disciplines in analysis of data.
00:39:54.840One discipline is making first assumptions about how real world looks like, how the behavior is running, and then building models to predict that.
00:40:09.000That is the kind of models run by Neil Ferguson from the UK that published that scary model of exponential growth and many different modelers.
00:42:34.620And, but, you know, I, I've always felt that those masks, at least when I was going out to the tractor supply store or wherever I was, you know, I felt a little better having that mascot as I walked in.
00:42:49.120And now, you know, I've exceeded to the reality that there, there just isn't, there just isn't a difference that is at least appreciably worth the, the aggravation of it all.
00:43:03.460And then I have an 11 year old granddaughter who told me point blank, you know, grandpa, this, and I was suggesting she might want to wear a mask when we went in.
00:43:15.000And she said, no, it's, it's not good for me to do that.
00:43:18.740And I said, okay, and did a little research and she was exactly right.
00:43:24.540The fact that, you know, 11 year olds are outwitting me at my age is a little disconcerting and embarrassing.
00:43:33.420But the fact of the matter is she's, she's in line at 11 with the empirical real world and the research that you and others have, have turned up.
00:43:45.600So, first of all, she's a very smart 11 years old, obviously, and I would dare say she's smarter than many of the people who are making our public policy.
00:43:56.020She looked at the data and said, well, there is no data that masks are effective, therefore, they're not effective.
00:44:02.280Many of the public policy leaders, they look at the data, they say the mask is not effective, therefore, we need to double mask.
00:44:08.880After that, I guess they will say we need to triple mask, et cetera.
00:44:12.540They are never accepting that a hypothesis was wrong.
00:44:19.500The Nobel laureate, Richard Feynman, he was one of the core teams of the Manhattan Project in the 1940s.
00:44:27.220He once said the essence of science is that when you make a theory, when you have a theory and the data, the experiment contradicts it, your theory is wrong.
00:44:39.000It doesn't matter who you are, how famous you are, how many publications you have, your theory is wrong.
00:44:54.620And chilling was the early comments from Elon Musk, the world's richest man, an intrepid entrepreneur, and highly, obviously, successful.
00:45:10.380But he, talking about AI, and he employs, obviously, artificial intelligence in Tesla, in SpaceX, and who knows what else.
00:45:22.360But he talked about it with dread, very concerned, talking about nuclear weapons are, to him, less frightening than the possibilities with deep learning, with AI.
00:45:51.620And by the way, he was so bright that early on in the COVID set, the entire government response is crazy.
00:45:56.200He was one of the few guys very early on, saw the data, reached a conclusion.
00:46:00.600I partially agree with Elon Musk, and I'm partially concerned, but due to different things.
00:46:05.640I do believe that in the distant future, when deep learning becomes smarter and smarter, and at some point in the future, I do believe computers will become as smart as we are and smarter than us.
00:46:19.220There is no theoretical barrier for that.
00:46:21.500There is no reason why it shouldn't happen.
00:46:23.900But I don't think it will happen in the next few years or even next decade or two.
00:46:32.480And at that point, yes, Elon Musk is correct to be afraid of that.
00:46:38.220But I think there are reasons to be scared about that right now, not in the distant future.
00:46:42.900For example, when we're speaking of autonomous weapons, weapons that autonomously themselves, based on AI, make the decision when to fire, what to target, who to target, etc.
00:46:57.580In the Western countries, we have our own morale code.
00:47:31.460But already now, in the next few years, in the next decade or two, some countries may develop and deploy autonomous weapons, and that's a scary scenario.
00:47:44.200Let me, before we go too much farther, just go to a few questions.
00:50:03.800And lockdowns, looking at the data, we can safely say today that lockdowns directly and indirectly killed many more people than they say.
00:50:14.820Lockdowns are probably the biggest public policy failure, at least during the past decades.
00:50:22.020With that summation, you know, I have to say I've been looking at Israel throughout the pandemic and following the research, particularly over the past year.
00:50:34.000And it seems to me that almost without fail, Israel has been months ahead, three months, four months, whatever it might be, ahead of anything being generated in the United States when it came to the vaccines, to the virus, the variants.
00:50:52.660Then comes word this week that Israel is looking at a fourth booster shot.
00:51:01.200And I'm scratching my head, trying to figure out how that lines up with all of the other research done in Israel and the experience with the pandemic.
00:51:10.760Your thoughts about four boosters, five, six boosters, seven.
00:51:15.640What is how far are we to go with this?
00:51:17.960What happened in Israel, especially Israel, is a great example of the success of the private sector and failure of government.
00:51:27.040Israel is the second country in the world after U.S. in terms of absolute number of technology startup companies, not per capita, in absolute numbers, even though we're a small company.
00:51:37.900So great success for the private sector.
00:51:40.360For government, the Israeli government indeed made every mistake possible during this pandemic, and including some mistakes that were unique to Israel.
00:51:49.460So how did the fourth vaccine got that approval?
00:51:53.080The scientists said, based on the leaked reports in the Israeli media, the scientists said they need to run experiments to see if it's effective.
00:52:03.300Even politicians pressured them that there is no time, and miraculously, they got approved.
00:52:39.460I think we can be highly competent of this.
00:52:42.980We're also seeing it certainly in the United States as well.
00:52:46.900I want to turn, if I may, to the broader, the geopolitics and big data, deep thinking, artificial intelligence, and its applications.
00:53:02.460We are looking at a world right now, as I discussed just briefly opening the show.
00:53:08.140Whether it is Russian troops on its western border, whether it is Xi Jinping threatening Taiwan, taking over Hong Kong, the aggressive expansionism is now bordering on the lunatic from these two communist countries.
00:53:31.380Because Russia remains communist, by any definition.
00:53:38.880What is your thinking about the state of the world, including Europe, of course?
00:53:44.060One of my biggest concerns for the next few years is what you mentioned, the geopolitics around Taiwan.
00:53:57.260Something that many people don't know is that almost every advanced semiconductor computer processor today that is built, it is built in Taiwan.
00:54:08.840There are great American companies, for example, NVIDIA.
00:54:13.080NVIDIA is the company that is powering the entire AI revolution.
00:54:17.260When you're doing advanced AI, it doesn't matter for computer vision, speech recognition, text understanding.
00:54:23.620It's almost all of that is based on NVIDIA chips.
00:54:27.140It's due to that NVIDIA's market cap just in 2015 was $17 billion.
00:54:33.560Today, it's getting close to $700 billion.
00:54:36.260But one thing that many people don't know is all of that semiconductor, the advanced 7-nanometer semiconductor, most of that is built in Taiwan.
00:54:47.320Almost all of that is built in Taiwan.
00:55:37.740And if something happens to Taiwan or there is a crisis there, the entire advanced semiconductor production of the world will come to almost a halt.
00:55:51.040And line that up with the fact that the United States is 97 percent dependent upon China for pharmaceuticals and pharmaceutical ingredients, for even advanced technology.
00:56:05.740Our dependency on China, people should understand, as they get very exercised about China, that right now China has hostages that it is holding against the United States, whether they be Apple, whether they be other companies that are invested and whose intellectual capital they actually have a stranglehold on as well.
00:56:31.200It's difficult to imagine a rational, let alone, we don't have to get into the issue of how intelligent Americans are, but that a rational people would have ever put a superpower in a dependent position against, if you don't want to call China an enemy, at least a competitor.
00:56:51.720Indeed, there are multiple dependencies, U.S. on China and China and the U.S.
00:57:01.560And of course, as we look year after year, the strength of China, the technological strength of China is just increasing rapidly in every area.
00:57:10.780I see that in artificial intelligence, but in different areas as well.
00:57:14.000Again, looking as an Israeli that has vested interest in the success of the Western world led by the U.S., that is really concerning me, seeing that the global weakness of U.S. and U.S. policy.
00:57:29.400In the previous administration, it looked like it understood the strategic threat and it engaged in negotiations for a better deal.
00:57:40.400Because the person who led the administration was a professional negotiator.
00:57:46.120My concern is that that's not happening right now.
00:57:49.620I think the best that we can ask all of us who care about the free world, the United States, Israel, all democracies around the world,
00:58:02.740and there are admittedly fewer of them than there were 10 years ago, we had better hope that Joe Biden remains, I'll put it this way, passive and doesn't get egregiously aggressive,
00:58:18.680given the limitations that are obvious for his administration and his leadership.
00:58:25.160I've said that about as delicately as I can say it.
00:58:32.900What is your judgment about what Putin is up to, or do you give it any mind?
00:58:40.660I don't have any firm opinion on that, because on China, I see closely the technology and the huge technological leaps.
00:58:53.280The situation with Russia looks less about technology and technological dominance,
00:58:58.180and much more with a battle of one former superpower that wants to regain its position as a superpower.
00:59:08.760And it looks like that the other side of the ocean, there is a, they do view not very strong administration.
00:59:19.880That's, it looks, but again, I look at that as an onlooker, and a very concerned onlooker.
00:59:27.460Yeah, well, I join you in that concern.
00:59:30.980And it's also, there's a bit of a cautionary tale in this for those of our listeners who aren't aware of where hypersonic missile technology originated.
00:59:40.760It was a byproduct of the laboratories, and particularly DARPA in the United States, but also in the Soviet Union, back in the 1990s.
00:59:55.460And both the Soviet Union and Russia, the successor state, and the United States, over the course of these past 30 years, just sort of put it aside.
01:00:08.240Meanwhile, China is now foremost, it has the most advanced hypersonic missile technology, and we're talking about hypersonic missiles that move at, let's say, an average speed of 9 or 10 times, a Mach speed, the speed of sound.
01:00:27.600And it's really stunning to see how clumsy and gratuitously we have squandered intellectual property in the United States in particular.
01:00:39.720It's just mind-numbing to think that what we have simply thrown toward the Communist Chinese is a gift from the indifferent Americans.
01:00:58.340There's no less concern in developments of things that we don't see, the cyber warfare.
01:01:05.340China, Russia, they have, same as the U.S., they have advanced cyber capabilities.
01:01:12.480And even though every now and then we hear about nation-stake cyber attacks, they're just small scale.
01:01:21.100In a total confrontation scenario, my big worry is that we're going to see cyber attacks that are going to completely bring national infrastructures to a halt, things that we have never imagined.
01:01:35.720And the electricity grades, the water supply, different energy supply, these are realistic scenarios in the next major confrontation.
01:01:45.060So it doesn't need to be supersonic missiles to be really scary.
01:01:51.660Well, I'm scared enough, I have to say, but we'll continue to probe the borders of fear and optimism.
01:02:01.260And I've really enjoyed this conversation.
01:02:03.700We always give our guests the last word, Eli.
01:02:08.540And if you will, I'd just like to hear, what was it that Elon Musk said that he was afraid of when it came to artificial intelligence summoning the devil?
01:02:20.660What is your greatest fear about artificial intelligence and your greatest hope?
01:02:34.160Some of them I share with Elon Musk, but I'm much more optimistic about that.
01:02:39.680I think AI will do much more good to the world than those scary things.
01:02:46.540One of the things, for example, and I've co-founded a company working on that, is using artificial intelligence for better healthcare, for predicting diseases early on, for better treatment.
01:02:57.600I think we're going to see in the next few years and decades a revolution in healthcare thanks to AI.
01:03:05.060Today, when we have a certain disease, it is not tailor-made.