The Great America Show - DR. MCCULLOUGH： WORST OF VIRUS WAVE IS BEHIND US

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

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00:01:43.840 And there and there, all you folks out there in Washington, left coast certainly,

00:01:50.640 but also rubbing right next to Canada.

00:01:54.500 Talk about Marxist Omega influences right there in the upper left corner of the United States.

00:02:01.780 Reason and patriotism are rare, not least because the state is on the left coast,

00:02:07.400 shoulder to shoulder with Canada.

00:02:09.400 Also think about this.

00:02:10.760 Washington is there on the Pacific Ocean as well.

00:02:14.740 And on a clear day, those Seattle lefties can almost see not only Russia, but China.

00:02:21.180 That's right, communist China.

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00:03:12.080 And remember, the Ruskies, as well as Lisa Murkowski, can see your light of liberty.

00:03:18.200 So thanks for all you do, and help will be on the way come the midterm elections in November.

00:03:24.740 Hang on, hang in there, stay stealthy.

00:03:28.900 And like they say, you may be feeling paranoid, but that doesn't mean an authoritarian government

00:03:35.160 isn't after you.

00:03:37.300 But there's hope for all patriots this week.

00:03:39.800 The left has taken a sudden right turn.

00:03:42.320 And I mean, given all Americans hope that we'll beat those totalitarian Marxists, the radical

00:03:50.220 dim governors in eight blue states just rolled back their China virus mandates, even New

00:03:56.460 York City, as of today, no longer requiring masks in businesses.

00:04:01.860 So what happened?

00:04:03.420 I don't believe it's a coincidence that the radical left suddenly pivoted the same week

00:04:08.460 that President Biden's poll numbers, that is, the average of all of the polls on his

00:04:14.460 approval rating, dropped below 40% for the first time.

00:04:19.500 Today, we'll be talking with one of the people most responsible for that left-wing totalitarian

00:04:24.860 reversal.

00:04:25.960 The sudden rollback of the Democrat Party's authoritarian Marxist assault on American freedoms.

00:04:33.220 All the executive orders, the mandates and authoritarian commands that have been issued,

00:04:37.900 by the Biden White House, in the name of public health and fighting the China virus pandemic.

00:04:45.440 I say the Biden White House, by the way, advisedly, because frankly, I'm not always sure how many

00:04:51.280 of these orders and mandates are actually coming from him.

00:04:55.620 And I'm not quite sure there isn't a cabal or something, or someone, telling this enfeebled

00:05:02.100 president of ours what to say, when to say it, what to do.

00:05:06.880 When to do it.

00:05:08.760 I'm just not sure about who's in charge, to tell you the truth.

00:05:12.340 And when a president is so weak, so lost, that he needs his wife to lead him off a stage

00:05:17.500 after mumbling his way through another often incoherent speech, then Jill Biden helps Joe

00:05:24.160 down the steps and leads him like a dog through the audience.

00:05:28.320 Is there anyone home there?

00:05:29.880 However, it's terrible, a terrible thing to behold.

00:05:34.300 And there's another mystery at work in the upper reaches of the U.S. public health bureaucracy

00:05:38.500 now.

00:05:39.340 And that mystery is what happened to Dr. Fauci?

00:05:44.440 He disappeared.

00:05:46.440 Where is Dr. Fauci?

00:05:48.880 Mr. Science himself.

00:05:51.020 Suddenly, his media appearances have dried up.

00:05:53.780 It's as if every network and newspaper this week received the same memo that said something

00:06:01.000 to the effect, don't you dare put Dr.

00:06:04.440 Doom on the air.

00:06:06.500 So despite what appears to be a dramatic pause in the American marched Marxism, there are millions

00:06:14.380 and millions of Americans who have important questions about the pandemic, the virus, its

00:06:19.820 mutations, and variants, what we all should be doing, what our children should be doing.

00:06:25.420 And with us today, one of the doctors who's urged healthy skepticism about government, about

00:06:30.800 the virus, the vaccine, the government policies and mandates throughout this pandemic, who has,

00:06:37.860 as much as anyone, been preeminent as a power-mitigating, countervailing influence on runaway

00:06:45.920 mandates, overreaching government, and leading to this week, the urgent rollback of mandates

00:06:52.680 by those eight Democratic governors who have just decided to pivot and to turn their backs

00:07:00.280 on those Biden mandates.

00:07:02.640 With us to take us through all those issues and more is Dr. Peter McCullough.

00:07:07.420 Doctor, great to have you with us and welcome back.

00:07:10.220 At first, are you surprised that these Democratic governors have reversed the mandates as they

00:07:16.980 did so quickly, so subtly, and broke with the CDC and President Biden's pandemic team?

00:07:24.060 I think they're trying to sense public opinion.

00:07:27.300 And public opinion clearly has been changed now over the last month.

00:07:31.480 The news cycle has been so compacted with events that have happened, some of them scientific

00:07:38.860 and natural with respect to the pandemic, and a lot of them, I think, are political, public

00:07:44.100 expressions of what the constituents want.

00:07:47.760 Well, I want to say right here and now that I believe that Dr. McCullough is preeminent among

00:07:56.180 those responsible, certainly from the medical community, in bringing attention to the science,

00:08:02.700 to the issues, the skepticism that is appropriate and natural on the part of the public about

00:08:11.740 our public health issues.

00:08:13.900 I think you've done an amazing job, whether it was defeat the mandates, all of the discussions

00:08:20.460 that you had with Joe Rogan, you and Robert Malone, Dr. Malone.

00:08:24.560 I mean, you formed, to me, an island of good sense, great medicine, and great judgment,

00:08:33.960 and skepticism, and made Americans understand that it's okay to question your government.

00:08:40.100 It's okay to question science, because that's what you do.

00:08:43.800 That is part of the scientific method.

00:08:47.420 Your thoughts?

00:08:48.700 It's true.

00:08:49.460 Scientific discourse is the lifeblood of what we do.

00:08:53.560 Well, I'm an academic physician, so I spend about half my time in practice, half the time

00:08:57.120 as an author, an editor, and as a clinical researcher.

00:09:00.520 And so we traveled, before COVID, we traveled extensively, we met in groups, we vetted

00:09:04.720 information, new science.

00:09:07.980 No two doctors agree on anything.

00:09:09.600 No two lawyers agree on anything.

00:09:11.560 People should expect that.

00:09:12.820 But if we work in groups and we gain consensus, we can come forward.

00:09:17.500 America has not seen teams of people working in Washington on the four major pillars of pandemic

00:09:23.120 response, which are controlling the spread of the virus.

00:09:28.060 Number two is early treatment.

00:09:29.200 Number three is hospital treatment.

00:09:30.380 Number four is vaccines.

00:09:31.600 We haven't seen teamwork.

00:09:32.740 In fact, it's settled down to one or two people that America see in mainstream media,

00:09:37.000 and it's not good for the country.

00:09:39.080 It really is not.

00:09:40.680 And we've also witnessed that and experienced that over the course of the past, now more

00:09:45.560 than two years.

00:09:46.620 And just today, out comes a report that they have discovered the very evidence of a very

00:09:55.500 real possibility that, guess what?

00:09:58.780 COVID-19, as it is labeled, actually may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory.

00:10:05.720 And there is reason for inference that it did not pass from wildlife to a human being, but

00:10:14.920 rather was manufactured, created, engineered, perhaps, in that lab itself.

00:10:20.400 Your reaction to those reports?

00:10:23.360 Boy, I tell you what, they're right on the money with Peter Bregan in his book, COVID-19

00:10:28.800 and the Global Predators, We Are the Prey.

00:10:30.640 It has a thousand references in it.

00:10:33.320 It's a masterpiece of nonfiction.

00:10:35.880 Every connection between the vaccine stakeholders, this Wuhan lab, how the virus was manipulated, 0.96

00:10:42.520 the response to the vaccines, it's in that book.

00:10:45.460 And this is all in the open.

00:10:47.240 I wrote one of the introductions for the book.

00:10:50.100 Senator Rand Paul has been on this, and he's right.

00:10:53.920 He's right.

00:10:54.820 And by the way, Senator Rand Paul has been absolutely right.

00:10:59.500 It is clear now about Dr. Fauci.

00:11:02.940 And Dr. Fauci is, I think, twisting in the wind a bit here right now.

00:11:09.560 But it does appear that he had, apparently the networks have been told to take him off

00:11:14.840 the air and keep him off, or he's decided to get off the air.

00:11:19.060 Because the reality that is surfacing now in the national media is the opposite of what

00:11:28.940 he has been preaching.

00:11:30.480 And to see these eight governors suddenly go against the CDC, to go against the Biden

00:11:36.660 administration, all Democratic, radical Democrat governors doing the opposite of what this

00:11:43.460 radical Democrat president and his CDC have been recommending.

00:11:48.640 And to do it together, in concert, is all the more surprising.

00:11:53.980 Your reaction?

00:11:55.760 I think you're going to see a lot more.

00:11:57.320 If anything, we've learned in COVID-19, with the uncertainty, people feel comfortable when

00:12:02.880 others are doing the same thing.

00:12:04.320 So all we need is a nidus of governors to start to make a break for medical freedom, for

00:12:09.780 dropping these mandates.

00:12:12.200 You know, it's already happened across the UK, Ireland, Scotland, England.

00:12:15.720 It just happened in Sweden.

00:12:17.360 I think you're going to see it happen all over.

00:12:19.640 We are through the emergency phase of the pandemic.

00:12:22.560 There will be a few occasional high-risk seniors.

00:12:25.160 I got a few calls today on them that we can treat.

00:12:27.860 We have high-quality monoclonal antibodies, so terivimab, the other drugs we use in combination.

00:12:32.600 We've now got a Pfizer and Merck drug.

00:12:34.760 The emergency phase is over.

00:12:36.620 We've got enough tools to treat patients.

00:12:38.440 We can get through this.

00:12:39.300 Well, people are now somewhat confused, as you know.

00:12:44.360 I talk to people, and some are still saying, who have been, by the way, adamant, vaccine,

00:12:50.360 vaccine, vaccine, almost to the point, as many in the country are, it's a virtue signal

00:12:58.280 to have been vaccinated, and there will be zero tolerance of anyone who makes an independent 0.72

00:13:05.440 decision that he or she will forego the vaccine and rely instead on treatment, early treatment.

00:13:12.840 Your thoughts about what we have done here in terms of the vaccine?

00:13:17.840 You mentioned some of those people triple-jabbed and still contracting Omicron.

00:13:26.180 What are the lessons there?

00:13:28.720 I think the lessons are to not take any particular technology, biotechnology, and gamble on it

00:13:35.900 to such a large extent.

00:13:37.660 I published an op-ed in The Hill in the summer of 2020.

00:13:41.000 It was titled The Great Gamble of the COVID-19 Vaccine Development Program, and we put all

00:13:46.040 our chips on one horse, and that was the vaccine.

00:13:49.880 And boy, if it wasn't airtight, if it didn't work perfectly, we knew we were going to be

00:13:54.220 in trouble, and people now feel deceived.

00:13:56.800 We have a report out of the CDC December 10th showing 79% of all the Omicron cases are fully

00:14:03.240 vaccinated, and now this paper by Joseph Lunard from the Department of Epidemiology School

00:14:09.100 of Public Health at University of California, Berkeley, showing 76% of Omicron patients are

00:14:15.940 fully vaccinated, those coming to the hospital.

00:14:19.080 But I can tell you the good news here is that vaccinated, unvaccinated, they are coming out

00:14:23.980 pretty well.

00:14:25.180 No one with Omicron went on a mechanical ventilator, thank goodness.

00:14:28.880 And there was only one death reported in Omicron, and it may or may not have been directly related

00:14:39.320 to the virus.

00:14:41.020 Omicron is a far milder syndrome.

00:14:44.520 Those who took the vaccine, most of them did it out of patriotism.

00:14:48.440 They're probably going to get the Omicron variant anyway.

00:14:51.220 We have no data to suggest the current sets of vaccines cover the future variants.

00:14:56.080 And I think now is a good time, actually, to drop the mandates and pause the program.

00:15:02.000 And I think I was on Laura Ingraham this week, Lou, and I told Laura, I said, the day these

00:15:05.840 vaccines are dropped will become a national holiday.

00:15:08.400 It's almost as if the vaccines are more of a menace than a respiratory illness.

00:15:12.860 Well, they've been rendered so by an autocratic, authoritarian Biden administration that has

00:15:20.800 reveled, it seemed, in restricting freedoms of movement, freedoms to simply go to the mall

00:15:29.300 or go to school or to family gatherings, worship, you name it.

00:15:34.260 The constraints have verged on outright suppression.

00:15:38.320 An oppressive society in this great constitutional republic is going to engender some considerable

00:15:48.400 reaction, whether it's latent or whether it's expressed, it's going to happen soon, that

00:15:55.280 is, that expression.

00:15:57.020 And I think that's where we are right now.

00:16:00.140 Give me a, you know, I think there's a question that wasn't really asked immediately in this

00:16:06.160 period in which we're vaccinating, putting all of our chips, if you will, on, on vaccination,

00:16:12.820 as you put it.

00:16:15.120 Is there any evidence that that being vaccinated, because when you talk about 76%, 70 plus percent

00:16:21.900 of the people getting, getting Omicron, is there any evidence that the, the, the vaccination

00:16:30.580 actually makes a person more vulnerable to the virus?

00:16:35.120 You know, I'm not sure that's the case.

00:16:37.420 So just to make sure the reporting is correct, of those with Omicron, two of the citations

00:16:42.140 I gave, they were fully vaccinated.

00:16:44.400 Now, it turns out that Omicron is affecting the proportion of the population.

00:16:48.860 Right now, I think the estimates are about one in five.

00:16:51.580 And since three quarters of Americans took the vaccine, you can see how the proportions

00:16:55.620 go.

00:16:58.060 I think the question is, you know, did they derive any benefit?

00:17:00.980 But it's possible with early, early strains that are now extinct, there was some protection.

00:17:08.000 But the US hospitalization data, I don't think are valid, because they're not randomized.

00:17:13.060 The reason why they're not there in the hospital is not adjudicated.

00:17:16.720 And, and then there's differential testing applied to those more unvaccinated than vaccinated.

00:17:21.300 There's no real ascertainment.

00:17:23.080 If they took the vaccine, they're in isolation.

00:17:24.740 So I think a lot of times there's an assumption that they're unvaccinated.

00:17:27.760 And we knew from the UK, Denmark, Germany, and Israel, that the majority of people in

00:17:33.660 the hospital were, were in fact vaccinated.

00:17:36.380 So now the World Health Organization has come out and said, listen, no boosters.

00:17:40.220 Boosters are just potentially even going to weaken the immune system here.

00:17:43.520 We don't want this to further backfire.

00:17:44.960 Now that's, I guess we're getting to the, to sort of the area that I think people have

00:17:51.820 huge questions about.

00:17:53.480 The booster shot itself can depress your, the status of your immunity.

00:17:58.940 Is that correct?

00:17:59.960 It's a theoretical observation, but it is increasingly supported by a literature.

00:18:06.380 You know, Lou, there's over a thousand publications in the preprint server and the peer-reviewed

00:18:11.520 literature at National Library of Medicine.

00:18:12.860 There's now a thousand papers on vaccine injuries and complications, including disorders of the

00:18:18.700 immune system.

00:18:20.140 And one of the things that can happen is actually reactivation of latent viruses like Epstein-Barr

00:18:26.140 virus and the, the herpes zoster virus.

00:18:31.740 And, you know, furthermore at the U.S. Senate hearings led by Senator Ron Johnson, there was

00:18:37.980 a presentation by lead attorney, Tom Rentson, co-counsel, Lee Dundas on behalf of the

00:18:42.840 three whistleblowers within the U.S. military.

00:18:45.640 The lead one named was Teresa Long. 0.56

00:18:48.600 And they presented a multifold increase risk of immunologic disorders, cancer, blood disorders,

00:18:56.360 blood clotting, neurologic and cardiovascular disorders in the Department of Defense.

00:19:00.960 So this isn't the VAERS system.

00:19:02.700 This is actually in a clinical occurrence system.

00:19:05.540 So Johnson has, in a sense, subpoenaed the data to make sure they're not altered.

00:19:10.060 But this is disturbing to see year-on-year increases like this.

00:19:12.940 And we know the military has been under tremendous pressure to take the vaccines.

00:19:16.900 Absolutely.

00:19:17.340 And our soldiers are under tremendous pressure as well.

00:19:24.020 I want to get a sense, too, did this apply to all of the vaccines or was it just the MRNA?

00:19:29.340 That is Pfizer, Moderna.

00:19:31.680 Was it Johnson & Johnson?

00:19:33.380 Which vaccines were they separated?

00:19:37.800 You know, it's a good point.

00:19:39.220 The vaccines are very different.

00:19:40.540 You know, Moderna is 100 micrograms of messenger RNA per shot.

00:19:43.880 Pfizer's 30 micrograms of messenger RNA is shot.

00:19:47.120 And Johnson's is an adenoviral vector, which is billions of particles that are given.

00:19:51.380 So they're very different.

00:19:53.580 The U.S. CDC and FDA, which are leading the program, they still haven't given us a safety report on the vaccines.

00:19:59.700 You know, we're more than a year into it.

00:20:01.340 We don't know where the problems are with these vaccines.

00:20:03.540 We should have had monthly safety reports and the Independent Day Safety Monitoring Board overseeing all this

00:20:09.360 so we could actually spot the problems.

00:20:11.600 Now we're deep into it and the public has great distrust now.

00:20:15.520 Yeah, absolutely.

00:20:17.480 And great questions that they're asking.

00:20:22.060 And amongst those questions, the application to go ahead and vaccinate, you know, five-year-olds, 11-year-olds,

00:20:34.140 these are awfully young children, and we've, your thought about it and how effective is it and how logical and scientifically necessary is.

00:20:46.960 It doesn't follow the risk ratification principles we understand the pandemic.

00:20:52.280 About 40% of our deaths were seniors, people in nursing homes, congregate facilities, that the average age was 83.

00:20:58.600 This was a problem of our seniors.

00:21:01.420 We should have always been focusing on our seniors.

00:21:04.260 And the news cycle for the last six to nine months has been exclusively almost on children.

00:21:09.360 I saw something today.

00:21:10.680 We're now getting close to being newborns.

00:21:14.200 Remember that there were never any school outbreaks.

00:21:17.040 Never.

00:21:18.240 Remember there was never any credible student-to-teacher spread where the teacher had a severe outcome.

00:21:23.660 The virus, the Chinese published this, and they were right. 1.00

00:21:26.040 85% of the spread occurs within the home.

00:21:27.980 It's usually vertical.

00:21:29.120 It's parents to children.

00:21:30.720 Children don't represent a threat to anyone.

00:21:32.900 They categorically have mild illness.

00:21:35.680 It's very easily treatable, easily treatable if they get it.

00:21:40.000 Estimates are, my personal estimate is I think about 80% of kids are already through it.

00:21:43.680 They already have some form of immunity.

00:21:45.120 We had a paper out from Johns Hopkins just this week in JAMA showing if someone clinically had the illness, it was a 99% chance of having the neutralizing antibodies.

00:21:56.280 Even if they thought they had it, there was a 55% chance of having these antibodies.

00:22:00.700 We've never seen a compelling case for children.

00:22:03.740 The randomized trials showed no reductions in severe illness because there weren't any severe cases.

00:22:08.600 And now a paper from the CDC published in the MMWR, their journal, December 31st, by House, the first author, shows concerning data, children ages 5 to 11.

00:22:20.460 And in the serious complications table, there was about 15% actually had evidence of heart injury by blood testing and by echocardiography.

00:22:29.040 And I can tell you, Lou, this is the first time I've seen in my career heart damage occurring in prepubital children.

00:22:34.700 And Dr. McCullough is a cardiologist.

00:22:38.980 And I have to say, if you haven't seen it, let me get that percent so we all understand.

00:22:46.060 What percent had heart damage?

00:22:49.580 In the House paper, there is a table, and I'm going to bring it up since I think it's important.

00:22:58.420 And when the media doctors and the FDA get up, boy, they better be quoting the literature, I mean, with great precision.

00:23:05.320 So this first doctor's house, H-A-U-S-E, MMWR, December 31st, 2021.

00:23:11.040 In this serious reports table, they had 100 cases where kids, this is serious, this means life-threatening, hospitalized,

00:23:17.920 and that 15% had an elevation in cardiac troponin indicating heart damage, 12 had chest pain, 12 had abnormal percentages, 12% had abnormal EKGs, and 10% had abnormal echocardiograms.

00:23:34.400 Lou, this is unheard of to have children who have no threat of illness with respect to COVID-19 respiratory disease sustaining any heart damage.

00:23:45.300 And I testified in the U.S. Senate on January 24th, I told America, one case is too many, one case.

00:23:52.980 It's stunning stuff.

00:23:54.640 And that brings us to a number of issues, but one of them is, why in the world is not the medical community at large,

00:24:02.780 not just simply the public health bureaucracy and community,

00:24:07.920 why isn't the entire medical community reacting to this idea of vaccinating children?

00:24:15.660 And as you said, in some cases, reaching down to an infant for a vaccination.

00:24:21.480 Why would this be going on without great public discussion?

00:24:25.640 Because we have parents that have to be in the throes of anxiety and concern for their children and trying to decide what's right,

00:24:34.160 and they're finding out already, already that what they have been told in many instances is simply wrong or was wrong,

00:24:43.460 that did subsequently, they found out it was even worse than it had been told.

00:24:48.480 The FDA, why, doctor, isn't the FDA saying to Big Pharma, let's slow down here now?

00:24:57.760 Lou, I can tell you, I'm in practice in a large health system.

00:25:02.260 I get all the emails.

00:25:03.560 I have yet to see a single email come through with an update on vaccine safety.

00:25:08.780 Not a single grand rounds on vaccine injuries.

00:25:11.980 Not a single set of discussions.

00:25:13.820 It's almost as if the censorship has penetrated right into the medical community, the medical establishment.

00:25:20.460 And the doctors are almost as if they're in a trance.

00:25:23.160 They're in a lockstep trance.

00:25:25.060 You know, the American College of Pediatrics says across the board, vaccinate the kids.

00:25:28.680 The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology says vaccinate pregnant women,

00:25:32.720 of which we have no supportive evidence here.

00:25:36.900 We have no information on long-term safety.

00:25:39.900 We know these are genetic products.

00:25:42.080 And a recent paper by Roch and colleagues that came out a few months ago,

00:25:46.160 and it kind of passed our group, and we had missed it originally.

00:25:49.760 She's found that actually the messenger RNA is actually installed in the body for at least a couple months.

00:25:55.900 They were able to find it in the lymph nodes.

00:25:57.880 Now the spike protein, which is the part of the virus that was manipulated in the Wuhan lab in China, 0.85

00:26:03.000 that exists in the body for over a year.

00:26:06.940 No wonder people have chronic inflammatory conditions.

00:26:09.640 They develop neurologic and cardiovascular problems.

00:26:12.720 The messenger RNA is there far too long, and now the spike protein gets deposited into the organs,

00:26:18.240 circulates in the body, causes blood clots.

00:26:21.080 I mean, this is almost like a science experiment gone bad on a large scale.

00:26:25.760 And, you know, we're ringing the alarm bells to shut this down.

00:26:29.600 And we're not hearing this discussion emanating from the FDA or the NIH.

00:26:38.560 Instead, we have had Dr. Fauci, the head of the Infectious Disease Agency of the NIH,

00:26:49.540 out operating as a cheerleader.

00:26:52.480 He had everything but pom-poms and would brook no discussion about, let alone debate,

00:27:00.680 about whether or not there should be vaccination.

00:27:04.400 And should there be vaccination of young people, children, infants?

00:27:09.720 Should we be using mRNA?

00:27:13.620 Or should we be using Moderna or Pfizer?

00:27:16.920 Or should we be using Johnson & Johnson at all?

00:27:20.020 Well, first they said they shouldn't, then they said, well, you can have one shot of it.

00:27:24.000 I mean, I consider myself fairly well-read for a layman on all of this.

00:27:29.940 I have no idea what's going on with Johnson & Johnson or why the FDA made decisions they did make

00:27:35.980 about various vaccines.

00:27:38.820 It's just, it's an absolute mess.

00:27:41.000 In fact, I think the vaccine that had the best safety profile was the Novavax vaccine.

00:27:46.700 That was like a tetanus shot.

00:27:47.960 It was just five micrograms of the spike protein, just like you give a small amount of tetanus

00:27:52.960 toxoid and you respond to it.

00:27:54.620 No genetic technology, no trickery going on within cells.

00:27:59.820 We'd expect the biodistribution to be different.

00:28:02.140 And in the New England Journal of Medicine papers in June, there was a very good immune response

00:28:06.980 against the legacy of variants, 90% protection, as good as Pfizer and Moderna.

00:28:11.100 What happened?

00:28:12.280 Novavax was delayed, delayed, delayed.

00:28:14.260 It got some entry in Europe and Australia, but now the virus has mutated.

00:28:19.300 So I think the opportunity even for Novavax, I think that window was closed.

00:28:23.380 Yeah.

00:28:23.460 And Novavax, to be clear, could not manufacture the vaccine.

00:28:30.200 The company was one of those that was a, it had never created a, manufactured a vaccine,

00:28:37.840 had great success.

00:28:39.580 There was great hope in the medical community, I know, about its vaccine and its architecture

00:28:47.280 and its efficacy, but the company could not get out of its own way.

00:28:54.720 And then there is, as you suggest, it looked to me like there were some impediments put in

00:29:00.860 front of it too, because they didn't want to deal with it.

00:29:04.260 They beat the government.

00:29:06.060 Right.

00:29:06.200 Remember, Operation Warp Speed had all the resources possible.

00:29:10.340 So they could have easily just taken the innovation from Novavax as an 800-person U.S. company and

00:29:16.480 then literally just contracted to one of the big pharma companies and just make it.

00:29:21.120 Now, it uses a moth model, which is kind of interesting.

00:29:23.660 It uses moths in, in a sense, a vivarium that produces the gene and then a hamstring ovary 0.98

00:29:32.000 suspension to actually start cranking it out.

00:29:33.780 But the, I'm sorry, not a hamstring ovary suspension, but a biological system to start

00:29:39.520 producing the material for the vaccine.

00:29:42.200 But there was great hope.

00:29:43.140 But now everything's changed.

00:29:44.780 And so the virus keeps changing.

00:29:46.360 I think the virus, honestly, is just ahead of mankind.

00:29:49.920 And what we should do right now is just focus on protecting some of the high-risk seniors who

00:29:54.000 could get sick.

00:29:55.440 That is primarily the older Americans, the senior citizens who are, as you pointed out,

00:30:02.700 the biggest target of this virus.

00:30:07.260 I think it's also, going back to the Army and the military right now, you're talking about

00:30:14.080 they're under tremendous pressure.

00:30:16.220 This is also the week that the Army is going to separate a bunch of people who have soldiers

00:30:23.820 who chose not to take the vaccine.

00:30:28.000 Yet with everything that you're saying, that everything that is coming to light,

00:30:31.760 there are great questions about whether the Army has the right to do that, and whether

00:30:36.700 or not, and we should know what was the pressure that they were put under by the White House,

00:30:42.480 for example, and whether we're being fair to these soldiers who are being separated

00:30:47.400 involuntarily from the Army.

00:30:50.720 It's true.

00:30:52.160 And you think about some of these specialty units, you know, apparently it's millions and

00:30:57.560 millions of dollars that could put into training a single fighter pilot, for instance.

00:31:01.940 Can you imagine the U.S. investment to just say, listen, since you're not taking the vaccine,

00:31:05.940 go ahead and walk?

00:31:07.300 We're just throwing away that investment.

00:31:09.760 And I think Dr. Malone said it right at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

00:31:13.060 He said, where there's risk, there must be choice.

00:31:15.200 And I think everyone agrees the vaccines have risk to it.

00:31:18.340 Even the FDA says the vaccines can cause heart injury.

00:31:21.940 Most of the young men in the military are in the age range where they can sustain heart

00:31:25.980 injury.

00:31:26.940 Scharf and colleagues have shown that the age is age 18 to 24.

00:31:30.220 That's the peak.

00:31:31.160 Rose and myself have published that it goes all the way up to age 50 in men.

00:31:35.380 It's 90% of men who get the heart damage.

00:31:37.380 Well, if there's any risk, Lou, there must be a choice.

00:31:41.660 I couldn't agree with you more.

00:31:42.820 I think most Americans, you know, we're a free-thinking, free bunch of folks.

00:31:50.460 It's not an accident.

00:31:51.880 It's our heritage from before our founding.

00:31:57.360 We are allowing our government and our media, frankly, to overwhelm good judgment and to have

00:32:05.260 citizens actually questioning themselves rather than their doctors, the mass media.

00:32:14.260 It's really a very troubling time.

00:32:16.580 But it does look like we're starting to at least see a glimmer of sunshine breaking through,

00:32:23.900 again, in large measure because of you, Dr. Malone, and a handful of others who've made

00:32:30.100 a very big difference, I'd like to ask you about the idea that schools, and we've talked

00:32:38.780 about this before, but I think people need to hear your thoughts, your thinking about

00:32:43.000 school mass in classrooms shutting down lockdowns in schools because it's so critically important

00:32:52.160 to every parent and every child out there, you know, of school age.

00:32:57.520 You know, they're starting to segregate kids in some schools out in California, Lou, and

00:33:01.380 there is a project that starts called the Gavel Project, started by a young attorney, Ryan Heath.

00:33:07.260 They got 70 attorneys now, and they are going hard at these health systems for basically

00:33:12.540 taking away people's civil liberties here, that the masks have never had any scientific

00:33:21.120 support.

00:33:22.060 So mask expert, Stephen Petty, he's an engineer, he's calculated 18% of the air, Lou, goes around

00:33:27.500 the mask.

00:33:28.420 The virus is so small, it moves in and out of, through the masks and all the testing that's

00:33:33.220 been shown.

00:33:33.900 There have been 12 randomized trials shown that public masking doesn't work.

00:33:36.800 Now, you know, I'm a doctor, I wear a mask in a hospital, as I should, in the cath lab

00:33:42.240 and et cetera.

00:33:43.220 The bottom line is, you know, the mask holds back droplets.

00:33:46.920 So if you had a big sneeze, it would be inappropriate to be cutting somebody's hair and sneeze on

00:33:51.320 them, just like if I'm a doctor and I'm examining the heart, the same thing.

00:33:54.260 I think people working at close range wear a mask for common courtesy, not for COVID reasons.

00:33:59.180 Everybody else should be unencumbered with masks.

00:34:01.600 We should drop them like a hot potato.

00:34:03.580 So masks have basically symbolized, I think, fear and people impressing their will on others

00:34:11.460 in really almost a method of personal injury.

00:34:16.500 They should be dropped right away.

00:34:17.480 They symbolize so many bad things in America right now.

00:34:21.680 You know, I want to turn to, as well, to the efficacy.

00:34:27.060 Suddenly, there were three shots, boosters were required.

00:34:31.740 And again, the public was sort of brought along.

00:34:36.280 They were, there wasn't herd immunity, but there sure was a lot of herding and most, and

00:34:41.780 it was being done by the government.

00:34:44.500 Why did we have a situation which really the FDA didn't approve any of these drugs and point

00:34:51.000 of fact, they gave them an emergency use authorization.

00:34:55.080 And that's still the case.

00:34:56.460 Why have we not seen that change?

00:34:58.760 Why isn't there a final approval?

00:35:00.320 Why can't the FDA do that?

00:35:02.540 And is it because of liability?

00:35:05.140 Is it because they know something we don't and only suspect?

00:35:09.760 None of the vaccines hit traditional efficacy or safety standards.

00:35:14.740 So the traditional would be that a vaccine has to have 50% protection.

00:35:18.860 It has to at least last a year.

00:35:20.800 And none of them last a year.

00:35:22.160 None of them have 50% protection against Delta.

00:35:25.400 Delta, the estimate's about 20%.

00:35:27.120 And then with Omicron, it's close to 0% protection.

00:35:30.520 And then the second thing on safety, Lou, there's been, you know, the U.S. CDC, their system

00:35:35.820 has over 21,000 deaths in it.

00:35:38.220 About 90% of those are domestic.

00:35:40.220 It has over 40,000 individuals permanently disabled.

00:35:43.820 Over 30,000 cases of heart injury.

00:35:45.720 These numbers are staggering.

00:35:46.960 So you can imagine, you know, Moderna and Pfizer actually have been given, Moderna and then BioNTech, the German company that's working with Pfizer, they've been awarded biological licensing agreements.

00:35:58.520 All that means is they can, if they commit to post-marketing studies, and the FDA has put a ton of post-marketing studies on them for a heart injury,

00:36:06.000 and they come up with a package insert that's going to be survivable, they could have market entry.

00:36:12.340 But if they have market entry, they're going to have to convince an insurance company to pay for it.

00:36:16.420 Do you see what I mean?

00:36:17.300 So I don't think these companies earnestly really want FDA approval.

00:36:21.080 They're getting pre-purchased product, no development costs, basically a pharmaceutical massive gravy train through the EUA mechanism.

00:36:29.440 And at least Pfizer didn't take federal money.

00:36:33.980 We can say that for them.

00:36:35.620 But the rest of it, in terms of liability and all of the people who are suffering some sort of effect, it's not a great way for public health in this country to be carried out.

00:36:52.120 I'm very, very concerned as well about what are people going to say when we get to it?

00:36:59.160 Let's assume that, well, let's not assume, but it's possible that Omicron could be one of the last, if not the last stage in this pandemic, correct?

00:37:09.980 It's almost like you went to the fireworks, and you get to the very end, and they shoot off everything they've got left in the cannons, you know, that big finale.

00:37:17.420 It almost seems that way.

00:37:18.840 And my point is, what in the world are people going to think as we unwind this?

00:37:27.060 And we're going to, there will be, you know there will be, great hearings, a great number of hearings.

00:37:33.100 There's going to be great second-guessing, great amounts of second-guessing.

00:37:38.240 And public health in this country is, in my opinion, on trial here, and it doesn't look good on the guilty pleas.

00:37:48.400 You know, I think a lot of it was organizational, Lou.

00:37:51.540 Right now, the sponsors of the vaccine program are the FDA and the CDC.

00:37:55.460 That is a wrong administrative setup.

00:37:58.320 The FDA should always be the drug safety watchdog.

00:38:00.960 They should not be promoting a product.

00:38:02.700 So the FDA should be safety watchdog, the CDC should be the outbreak investigation group, and the NIH should be the government research funding group.

00:38:10.640 That means we should have had a separate pandemic response unit executing the vaccine program, and we should have had Independent Day Safety Monitoring Board, Adjudication Committee, and Human Ethics Committee, and monthly review.

00:38:23.040 If we would have had monthly review, we would have identified these problems early, probably been able to adjust the vaccines.

00:38:28.860 I think they probably would have just been restricted to our high-risk seniors.

00:38:31.920 We could have actually, the vaccine program could have done a lot of good if it was executed correctly.

00:38:38.080 But it's been basically this out-of-control public menace now.

00:38:43.200 Families are pulling their kids out of school.

00:38:45.560 Parents are trembling in fear of what's going to happen with their children.

00:38:49.520 They've lost trust in the doctors.

00:38:51.100 Everything's basically spiraling out of control.

00:38:53.260 Spiraling out of control, Dr. Fauci announcing that, and I love these pronouncements that he makes, but announcing that the U.S. is exiting full-blown pandemic phase of coronavirus crisis.

00:39:10.160 Do you agree with him, first of all?

00:39:14.520 Well, I think we clearly are exiting the Omicron outbreak.

00:39:19.280 But the Omicron outbreak was so mild, even though it involved a lot of people.

00:39:22.920 It was a very tall peak.

00:39:23.860 It was five times as bigger than the other peak, but it was narrow.

00:39:26.180 It was about a six-week peak.

00:39:28.760 Clearly, the hospitals weren't overwhelmed.

00:39:31.040 We're managing through it.

00:39:32.400 There's been a great underutilization of early treatment.

00:39:35.960 If we would have had all of our government officials focused on the sick person at hand with a very comprehensive early treatment program, I mean, all the medical systems engaged, we should have been focusing on the medical community.

00:39:51.080 To this day, Mayo Clinic has no protocol for COVID.

00:39:54.800 Neither does Johns Hopkins or Emory or Duke.

00:39:58.180 They still haven't treated a single outpatient with a branded protocol.

00:40:04.220 No hospital, Lou, claims to be a center of excellence for COVID.

00:40:08.160 And these are richly reimbursed admissions.

00:40:11.320 You'd think right now, Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic would be advertising, send your sick COVID patients here. 1.00

00:40:16.460 We're the best at treating COVID patients.

00:40:18.400 There is no bravado in taking care of COVID patients.

00:40:21.880 It's astonishing.

00:40:23.700 It is astonishing.

00:40:24.940 It's also disturbing, because talking to various doctors, the reality is that they were depending upon the CDC for guidance, for direction.

00:40:38.660 They have their practices, whatever their specialty is.

00:40:41.800 I can only imagine, because people appreciate, I believe, what doctors must stay up to date on, the education that is constant and continuing throughout their careers.

00:40:54.260 I guess what I'm saying to you is, I don't see anything right about what the CDC did and has been doing, frankly.

00:41:07.980 And I really think that we're going to have to change our public health institutions and organization.

00:41:15.680 Would you go that far?

00:41:17.240 I would agree.

00:41:18.440 I think we need panels of external advisors.

00:41:24.040 You know, when I was doing my innovative work on how to treat COVID-19, I published the very first paper teaching doctors how to treat in the major literature in the American Journal of Medicine.

00:41:32.700 You know, I got a call from Peter Navarro.

00:41:34.620 I got a call from Senator Johnson.

00:41:36.260 There were people saying, listen, this is important.

00:41:38.420 We can treat this illness.

00:41:39.500 But, you know, I wrote the White House task force, you know, tried to break into any type of discussion with people.

00:41:46.920 And no one would hear a word about early treatment.

00:41:50.120 And to this day, our government officials have never given a full-throated endorsement for early treatment.

00:41:57.360 They're not telling people where to access these myoclonal antibodies.

00:42:00.260 They're not even talking up the new Pfizer and Merck drugs.

00:42:03.580 Turns out the Pfizer drug's a winner.

00:42:05.840 And, you know, there's no word of it.

00:42:08.060 All we hear about is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.

00:42:10.740 There should be, we should be telling people right now, high-risk seniors who are getting sick with COVID, how they can access these important products.

00:42:18.440 And early treatment.

00:42:21.320 Ivermectin became such a focal point.

00:42:25.520 Hydroxychloroquine.

00:42:28.000 Just simple, straightforward possibilities.

00:42:31.840 You put together, I think, would be a protocol of treatment that was very helpful.

00:42:39.560 And I think a lot of people, and your conversations with Joe Rogan, for example, you and Robert Malone.

00:42:45.440 I mean, that really set a, that sort of set a fire, didn't it, in the public consciousness, that really was very helpful.

00:42:56.660 This man who's being threatened by so many because he dared to listen to outliers from the orthodoxy of American medicine.

00:43:07.980 But, Lou, I have to comment, though.

00:43:11.540 You know, Robert F. Kennedy, who, you know, runs the Children Health Defense, he has a strong, he has a strong position on safety of vaccines.

00:43:20.600 His podcast is carried on Spotify.

00:43:23.460 Spotify never said a word.

00:43:25.740 It was, you know, so it's interesting.

00:43:27.980 So Joe Rogan, who has a huge audience, you know, Joe Rogan, not only does he actually get fried, and then, you know, you have Neil Young and Harry and his wife and all these others.

00:43:43.800 Johnny Mitchell.

00:43:44.140 And it kept going and going, but it quickly got off COVID.

00:43:46.540 And then it's about, you know, Rogan making other comments on things that quickly became political.

00:43:53.900 And I really feel bad.

00:43:55.500 I've communicated with him some on this, and I feel bad because he's almost now getting fried in these ad hominem attacks.

00:44:02.080 And it's quickly gotten off the science that people really want to go after somebody, want to go after Robert F. Kennedy.

00:44:07.800 His views are very strident on Spotify.

00:44:11.760 And, you know, it's just the double standard's amazing.

00:44:15.100 Did you talk with Kennedy?

00:44:17.980 Yes, I've been on this podcast twice.

00:44:20.220 He also presented at the Lincoln Memorial, as I did.

00:44:23.940 And he deserves some credit, right?

00:44:26.200 And, you know, he gets, he's very concerned about this.

00:44:29.860 You know, his views are different.

00:44:31.700 I've taken all the vaccines.

00:44:33.680 I've taken, my kids have taken all the vaccines.

00:44:36.240 I accept them in my practice.

00:44:37.480 I don't have a hard line against vaccines.

00:44:40.780 But for the COVID-19 vaccines, they broke all the rules.

00:44:44.240 You know, this genetic technology.

00:44:46.140 And then we started seeing the safety effects, what have you.

00:44:49.360 So I had had COVID-19.

00:44:51.880 And I was in an FDA early treatment protocol.

00:44:54.400 This was early on because I knew I was taking risks.

00:44:56.340 I was seeing patients.

00:44:57.100 And then I've had now the Omicron variant in December.

00:45:01.180 So I have not had a COVID-19 vaccine.

00:45:03.380 And honestly, I'm just not personally worried as I navigate through life on a day-to-day basis.

00:45:09.440 Yeah.

00:45:09.640 And what you're saying is Kennedy is at all vaccines?

00:45:12.680 He has a strong view that vaccines have not had enough safety oversight.

00:45:18.960 Now, he makes the case that, you know, he wants to see safe and effective products.

00:45:22.780 But there are vaccine-injured people out there.

00:45:26.600 And because of the indemnification of the vaccine manufacturers, the parents have nowhere to go.

00:45:32.040 Yeah, absolutely.

00:45:33.960 Well, my wife and I are vaccinated.

00:45:37.640 But we're absolutely against mandates.

00:45:41.100 This is a country in which you have the freedom to make your own decisions.

00:45:46.280 And for anyone to feel otherwise, you know, that's their right, too.

00:45:51.520 But for our government to lay down laws and directives and executive orders and mandates that are not supported by peer-reviewed, skeptical scientists and medical researchers and doctors is, to me, crazy.

00:46:09.080 And I hope we're through the crazy period.

00:46:11.100 What is your thinking?

00:46:12.220 Are we through the crazy period?

00:46:14.460 I think we're at the dawn.

00:46:15.760 I think we're at the dawn of a new age.

00:46:17.640 But, Lou, whatever's going on, it's worldwide.

00:46:20.540 And, boy, you know, I have a podcast myself, the McCullough Report on America Out Loud Talk Radio.

00:46:25.160 I interviewed a German doctor this week who said, you know, in Germany, public gatherings are outlawed because we could not get together and do what you guys did in Washington.

00:46:34.120 He goes, but what we're doing is we're doing silent walks.

00:46:36.680 And we are walking hundreds of thousands of people together.

00:46:40.500 And when we're asked, he said, listen, we're just exercising and we're quiet.

00:46:44.180 But whatever's going on is worldwide.

00:46:47.280 The truckers rally in Canada.

00:46:50.140 You see marches all over the world.

00:46:53.300 Somehow it got into the minds of people to start taking on totalitarian-like thinking.

00:46:59.580 And our goal is, in a sense, to wake ourselves up out of this trance.

00:47:04.860 Yeah.

00:47:05.220 Well, I think that that, I agree with you.

00:47:08.460 That is beginning.

00:47:09.520 That has happened.

00:47:10.300 I think there's something else that's happened as well.

00:47:12.560 And I think, as you correctly gave credit to those truckers in Canada, they've done something magnificent.

00:47:22.060 Standing up for liberty, for their rights, and against the oppression of their government. 0.99

00:47:27.220 But they've shown also, once again, something that I think has been proved far too often in Canada, that Trudeau is a complete fool. 0.99

00:47:35.920 He has no place running a government, no place leading a country. 1.00

00:47:41.020 But that's just my opinion.

00:47:43.140 What is really, to me, heartening is, as you say, people in Germany simply marching, walking.

00:47:50.080 We're finding out, whether we look to the North, to the Canadians, whether we look to the UK, to the Brits, this is not a world that is made like us. 0.89

00:48:02.060 We have freedoms.

00:48:03.400 We have laws and rights that make us the folks who decide what our government will do.

00:48:11.420 This government is now working against the people.

00:48:15.720 And the people, I think, as a result of this experience, as tragic as it has been, as difficult as it has been, as disruptive to American life and society as it has been, is reminding us what God-given blessing we have here in this great country.

00:48:33.160 It also reminds us that there are, you know, there's a lot of discussion about God-given rights, human rights.

00:48:40.620 My view is there are only American rights in this country.

00:48:44.560 We can discuss whether God led us or whether there is providence to those rights.

00:48:50.180 But those rights are all sanctioned in blood, the blood of soldiers who have fought for those rights and for all of us who have worked so hard to keep this country free.

00:49:02.460 And I have to say to you, doctor, you are amongst the leaders.

00:49:07.500 And I thank you so much for everything you've done, at great risk to your career, at great risk, period, to stand up for what you know, for what you knew to be right.

00:49:18.440 And you have helped all of the rest of us understand, as best we can, the issues and to come down on the side of this great country and our treasured freedoms.

00:49:31.540 So thank you, Dr. McCullough.

00:49:33.120 We appreciate it so much.

00:49:34.360 You get the last word here.

00:49:35.700 Well, that was a very eloquent statement.

00:49:38.900 And I fully and wholeheartedly agree with those statements.

00:49:44.560 So with that, why don't we leave it here, Lou, and let's see what happens over the next few days and weeks.

00:49:49.880 Again, I thank you for all you do.

00:49:52.300 Thanks for being with us here today and continuing to lead us through this very complex time in which we live.

00:49:59.560 Dr. Peter McCullough, an American hero.

00:50:02.120 Thank you so much.

00:50:03.340 Thank you.

00:50:04.180 Join us again tomorrow for the Great America Podcast.

00:50:07.360 Stay in the fight.

00:50:08.340 Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

The Great America Show - February 14, 2022

DR. MCCULLOUGH： WORST OF VIRUS WAVE IS BEHIND US

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