DR. MCCULLOUGH： WORST OF VIRUS WAVE IS BEHIND US
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The Great America Show with Lou Dobbs. President Joe Biden's approval rating has dropped below 40% for the first time, but that doesn t mean an authoritarian government isn t after you. In fact, there's hope for all patriots this week. The left has taken a sudden right turn.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,
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always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
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And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Great America Show,
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where every day we work together to assure that truth, justice, and the American way prevails.
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It's great to have you with us, and I want to give a Great America shout-out to all our listeners
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out on the West Coast, California, Oregon, Washington, and up in Alaska,
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particularly out there in the People's Republic of California,
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where we know most of you listening to our podcast have to do so,
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huddled together often in the night or a dark corner of your house,
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hoping you don't get caught listening to the Great America Show by the PC police,
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the woke brigades, or get turned in by your see-something, say-something neighbors,
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or maybe just your friends, even family, who will turn on you even for a simple thought crime.
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People in Oregon, at least Western Oregon, are living in fear as well as you folks in California.
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Those Oregonians are afraid to have an original thought that somehow you might slip up,
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and you might say something outrageous about the United States of America,
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say how much you love America, and your freedom, and your liberty,
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dare to go to a school board meeting, and then be marked as a potential domestic terrorist.
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Importantly, you might have one too many of those craft beers downtown,
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And there and there, all you folks out there in Washington, left coast certainly,
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Talk about Marxist Omega influences right there in the upper left corner of the United States.
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Reason and patriotism are rare, not least because the state is on the left coast,
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Washington is there on the Pacific Ocean as well.
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And on a clear day, those Seattle lefties can almost see not only Russia, but China.
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To all our listeners on the West Coast, we know you're afraid, and you've got every right to be.
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And remember, a free mind is the next best thing to being free.
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We appreciate those risks to be with us on the Great America Show, and we thank you.
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But still, be careful in the midst of all those who mean to take away your rights,
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And to all of you up there in Alaska, thanks for all you're doing to keep America free,
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Alaska, you're our very last, best chance to preserve truth, justice, and the American way
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And remember, the Ruskies, as well as Lisa Murkowski, can see your light of liberty.
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So thanks for all you do, and help will be on the way come the midterm elections in November.
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And like they say, you may be feeling paranoid, but that doesn't mean an authoritarian government
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And I mean, given all Americans hope that we'll beat those totalitarian Marxists, the radical
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dim governors in eight blue states just rolled back their China virus mandates, even New
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York City, as of today, no longer requiring masks in businesses.
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I don't believe it's a coincidence that the radical left suddenly pivoted the same week
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that President Biden's poll numbers, that is, the average of all of the polls on his
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approval rating, dropped below 40% for the first time.
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Today, we'll be talking with one of the people most responsible for that left-wing totalitarian
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The sudden rollback of the Democrat Party's authoritarian Marxist assault on American freedoms.
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All the executive orders, the mandates and authoritarian commands that have been issued,
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by the Biden White House, in the name of public health and fighting the China virus pandemic.
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I say the Biden White House, by the way, advisedly, because frankly, I'm not always sure how many
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of these orders and mandates are actually coming from him.
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And I'm not quite sure there isn't a cabal or something, or someone, telling this enfeebled
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president of ours what to say, when to say it, what to do.
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I'm just not sure about who's in charge, to tell you the truth.
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And when a president is so weak, so lost, that he needs his wife to lead him off a stage
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after mumbling his way through another often incoherent speech, then Jill Biden helps Joe
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down the steps and leads him like a dog through the audience.
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However, it's terrible, a terrible thing to behold.
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And there's another mystery at work in the upper reaches of the U.S. public health bureaucracy
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And that mystery is what happened to Dr. Fauci?
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It's as if every network and newspaper this week received the same memo that said something
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So despite what appears to be a dramatic pause in the American marched Marxism, there are millions
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and millions of Americans who have important questions about the pandemic, the virus, its
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mutations, and variants, what we all should be doing, what our children should be doing.
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And with us today, one of the doctors who's urged healthy skepticism about government, about
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the virus, the vaccine, the government policies and mandates throughout this pandemic, who has,
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as much as anyone, been preeminent as a power-mitigating, countervailing influence on runaway
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mandates, overreaching government, and leading to this week, the urgent rollback of mandates
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by those eight Democratic governors who have just decided to pivot and to turn their backs
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With us to take us through all those issues and more is Dr. Peter McCullough.
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Doctor, great to have you with us and welcome back.
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At first, are you surprised that these Democratic governors have reversed the mandates as they
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did so quickly, so subtly, and broke with the CDC and President Biden's pandemic team?
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I think they're trying to sense public opinion.
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And public opinion clearly has been changed now over the last month.
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The news cycle has been so compacted with events that have happened, some of them scientific
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and natural with respect to the pandemic, and a lot of them, I think, are political, public
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Well, I want to say right here and now that I believe that Dr. McCullough is preeminent among
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those responsible, certainly from the medical community, in bringing attention to the science,
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to the issues, the skepticism that is appropriate and natural on the part of the public about
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I think you've done an amazing job, whether it was defeat the mandates, all of the discussions
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that you had with Joe Rogan, you and Robert Malone, Dr. Malone.
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I mean, you formed, to me, an island of good sense, great medicine, and great judgment,
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and skepticism, and made Americans understand that it's okay to question your government.
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It's okay to question science, because that's what you do.
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Scientific discourse is the lifeblood of what we do.
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Well, I'm an academic physician, so I spend about half my time in practice, half the time
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as an author, an editor, and as a clinical researcher.
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And so we traveled, before COVID, we traveled extensively, we met in groups, we vetted
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But if we work in groups and we gain consensus, we can come forward.
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America has not seen teams of people working in Washington on the four major pillars of pandemic
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response, which are controlling the spread of the virus.
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In fact, it's settled down to one or two people that America see in mainstream media,
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And we've also witnessed that and experienced that over the course of the past, now more
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And just today, out comes a report that they have discovered the very evidence of a very
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COVID-19, as it is labeled, actually may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory.
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And there is reason for inference that it did not pass from wildlife to a human being, but
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rather was manufactured, created, engineered, perhaps, in that lab itself.
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Boy, I tell you what, they're right on the money with Peter Bregan in his book, COVID-19
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Every connection between the vaccine stakeholders, this Wuhan lab, how the virus was manipulated,
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the response to the vaccines, it's in that book.
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Senator Rand Paul has been on this, and he's right.
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And by the way, Senator Rand Paul has been absolutely right.
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And Dr. Fauci is, I think, twisting in the wind a bit here right now.
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But it does appear that he had, apparently the networks have been told to take him off
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the air and keep him off, or he's decided to get off the air.
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Because the reality that is surfacing now in the national media is the opposite of what
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And to see these eight governors suddenly go against the CDC, to go against the Biden
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administration, all Democratic, radical Democrat governors doing the opposite of what this
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radical Democrat president and his CDC have been recommending.
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And to do it together, in concert, is all the more surprising.
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If anything, we've learned in COVID-19, with the uncertainty, people feel comfortable when
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So all we need is a nidus of governors to start to make a break for medical freedom, for
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You know, it's already happened across the UK, Ireland, Scotland, England.
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I think you're going to see it happen all over.
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We are through the emergency phase of the pandemic.
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There will be a few occasional high-risk seniors.
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I got a few calls today on them that we can treat.
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We have high-quality monoclonal antibodies, so terivimab, the other drugs we use in combination.
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Well, people are now somewhat confused, as you know.
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I talk to people, and some are still saying, who have been, by the way, adamant, vaccine,
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vaccine, vaccine, almost to the point, as many in the country are, it's a virtue signal
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to have been vaccinated, and there will be zero tolerance of anyone who makes an independent
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decision that he or she will forego the vaccine and rely instead on treatment, early treatment.
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Your thoughts about what we have done here in terms of the vaccine?
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You mentioned some of those people triple-jabbed and still contracting Omicron.
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I think the lessons are to not take any particular technology, biotechnology, and gamble on it
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I published an op-ed in The Hill in the summer of 2020.
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It was titled The Great Gamble of the COVID-19 Vaccine Development Program, and we put all
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our chips on one horse, and that was the vaccine.
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And boy, if it wasn't airtight, if it didn't work perfectly, we knew we were going to be
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We have a report out of the CDC December 10th showing 79% of all the Omicron cases are fully
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vaccinated, and now this paper by Joseph Lunard from the Department of Epidemiology School
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of Public Health at University of California, Berkeley, showing 76% of Omicron patients are
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fully vaccinated, those coming to the hospital.
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But I can tell you the good news here is that vaccinated, unvaccinated, they are coming out
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No one with Omicron went on a mechanical ventilator, thank goodness.
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And there was only one death reported in Omicron, and it may or may not have been directly related
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Those who took the vaccine, most of them did it out of patriotism.
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They're probably going to get the Omicron variant anyway.
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We have no data to suggest the current sets of vaccines cover the future variants.
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And I think now is a good time, actually, to drop the mandates and pause the program.
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And I think I was on Laura Ingraham this week, Lou, and I told Laura, I said, the day these
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vaccines are dropped will become a national holiday.
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It's almost as if the vaccines are more of a menace than a respiratory illness.
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Well, they've been rendered so by an autocratic, authoritarian Biden administration that has
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reveled, it seemed, in restricting freedoms of movement, freedoms to simply go to the mall
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or go to school or to family gatherings, worship, you name it.
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The constraints have verged on outright suppression.
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An oppressive society in this great constitutional republic is going to engender some considerable
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reaction, whether it's latent or whether it's expressed, it's going to happen soon, that
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Give me a, you know, I think there's a question that wasn't really asked immediately in this
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period in which we're vaccinating, putting all of our chips, if you will, on, on vaccination,
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Is there any evidence that that being vaccinated, because when you talk about 76%, 70 plus percent
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of the people getting, getting Omicron, is there any evidence that the, the, the vaccination
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actually makes a person more vulnerable to the virus?
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So just to make sure the reporting is correct, of those with Omicron, two of the citations
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Now, it turns out that Omicron is affecting the proportion of the population.
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Right now, I think the estimates are about one in five.
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And since three quarters of Americans took the vaccine, you can see how the proportions
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I think the question is, you know, did they derive any benefit?
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But it's possible with early, early strains that are now extinct, there was some protection.
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But the US hospitalization data, I don't think are valid, because they're not randomized.
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The reason why they're not there in the hospital is not adjudicated.
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And, and then there's differential testing applied to those more unvaccinated than vaccinated.
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If they took the vaccine, they're in isolation.
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So I think a lot of times there's an assumption that they're unvaccinated.
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And we knew from the UK, Denmark, Germany, and Israel, that the majority of people in
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So now the World Health Organization has come out and said, listen, no boosters.
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Boosters are just potentially even going to weaken the immune system here.
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Now that's, I guess we're getting to the, to sort of the area that I think people have
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The booster shot itself can depress your, the status of your immunity.
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It's a theoretical observation, but it is increasingly supported by a literature.
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You know, Lou, there's over a thousand publications in the preprint server and the peer-reviewed
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There's now a thousand papers on vaccine injuries and complications, including disorders of the
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And one of the things that can happen is actually reactivation of latent viruses like Epstein-Barr
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And, you know, furthermore at the U.S. Senate hearings led by Senator Ron Johnson, there was
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a presentation by lead attorney, Tom Rentson, co-counsel, Lee Dundas on behalf of the
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And they presented a multifold increase risk of immunologic disorders, cancer, blood disorders,
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blood clotting, neurologic and cardiovascular disorders in the Department of Defense.
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This is actually in a clinical occurrence system.
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So Johnson has, in a sense, subpoenaed the data to make sure they're not altered.
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But this is disturbing to see year-on-year increases like this.
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And we know the military has been under tremendous pressure to take the vaccines.
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And our soldiers are under tremendous pressure as well.
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I want to get a sense, too, did this apply to all of the vaccines or was it just the MRNA?
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You know, Moderna is 100 micrograms of messenger RNA per shot.
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Pfizer's 30 micrograms of messenger RNA is shot.
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And Johnson's is an adenoviral vector, which is billions of particles that are given.
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The U.S. CDC and FDA, which are leading the program, they still haven't given us a safety report on the vaccines.
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We don't know where the problems are with these vaccines.
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We should have had monthly safety reports and the Independent Day Safety Monitoring Board overseeing all this
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Now we're deep into it and the public has great distrust now.
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And amongst those questions, the application to go ahead and vaccinate, you know, five-year-olds, 11-year-olds,
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these are awfully young children, and we've, your thought about it and how effective is it and how logical and scientifically necessary is.
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It doesn't follow the risk ratification principles we understand the pandemic.
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About 40% of our deaths were seniors, people in nursing homes, congregate facilities, that the average age was 83.
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We should have always been focusing on our seniors.
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And the news cycle for the last six to nine months has been exclusively almost on children.
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Remember that there were never any school outbreaks.
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Remember there was never any credible student-to-teacher spread where the teacher had a severe outcome.
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The virus, the Chinese published this, and they were right.
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It's very easily treatable, easily treatable if they get it.
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Estimates are, my personal estimate is I think about 80% of kids are already through it.
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We had a paper out from Johns Hopkins just this week in JAMA showing if someone clinically had the illness, it was a 99% chance of having the neutralizing antibodies.
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Even if they thought they had it, there was a 55% chance of having these antibodies.
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We've never seen a compelling case for children.
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The randomized trials showed no reductions in severe illness because there weren't any severe cases.
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And now a paper from the CDC published in the MMWR, their journal, December 31st, by House, the first author, shows concerning data, children ages 5 to 11.
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And in the serious complications table, there was about 15% actually had evidence of heart injury by blood testing and by echocardiography.
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And I can tell you, Lou, this is the first time I've seen in my career heart damage occurring in prepubital children.
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And I have to say, if you haven't seen it, let me get that percent so we all understand.
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In the House paper, there is a table, and I'm going to bring it up since I think it's important.
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And when the media doctors and the FDA get up, boy, they better be quoting the literature, I mean, with great precision.
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So this first doctor's house, H-A-U-S-E, MMWR, December 31st, 2021.
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In this serious reports table, they had 100 cases where kids, this is serious, this means life-threatening, hospitalized,
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and that 15% had an elevation in cardiac troponin indicating heart damage, 12 had chest pain, 12 had abnormal percentages, 12% had abnormal EKGs, and 10% had abnormal echocardiograms.
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Lou, this is unheard of to have children who have no threat of illness with respect to COVID-19 respiratory disease sustaining any heart damage.
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And I testified in the U.S. Senate on January 24th, I told America, one case is too many, one case.
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And that brings us to a number of issues, but one of them is, why in the world is not the medical community at large,
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not just simply the public health bureaucracy and community,
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why isn't the entire medical community reacting to this idea of vaccinating children?
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And as you said, in some cases, reaching down to an infant for a vaccination.
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Why would this be going on without great public discussion?
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Because we have parents that have to be in the throes of anxiety and concern for their children and trying to decide what's right,
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and they're finding out already, already that what they have been told in many instances is simply wrong or was wrong,
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that did subsequently, they found out it was even worse than it had been told.
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The FDA, why, doctor, isn't the FDA saying to Big Pharma, let's slow down here now?
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Lou, I can tell you, I'm in practice in a large health system.
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I have yet to see a single email come through with an update on vaccine safety.
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It's almost as if the censorship has penetrated right into the medical community, the medical establishment.
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And the doctors are almost as if they're in a trance.
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You know, the American College of Pediatrics says across the board, vaccinate the kids.
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The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology says vaccinate pregnant women,
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And a recent paper by Roch and colleagues that came out a few months ago,
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and it kind of passed our group, and we had missed it originally.
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She's found that actually the messenger RNA is actually installed in the body for at least a couple months.
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Now the spike protein, which is the part of the virus that was manipulated in the Wuhan lab in China,
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No wonder people have chronic inflammatory conditions.
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They develop neurologic and cardiovascular problems.
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The messenger RNA is there far too long, and now the spike protein gets deposited into the organs,
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I mean, this is almost like a science experiment gone bad on a large scale.
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And, you know, we're ringing the alarm bells to shut this down.
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And we're not hearing this discussion emanating from the FDA or the NIH.
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Instead, we have had Dr. Fauci, the head of the Infectious Disease Agency of the NIH,
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He had everything but pom-poms and would brook no discussion about, let alone debate,
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about whether or not there should be vaccination.
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And should there be vaccination of young people, children, infants?
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Or should we be using Johnson & Johnson at all?
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Well, first they said they shouldn't, then they said, well, you can have one shot of it.
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I mean, I consider myself fairly well-read for a layman on all of this.
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I have no idea what's going on with Johnson & Johnson or why the FDA made decisions they did make
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In fact, I think the vaccine that had the best safety profile was the Novavax vaccine.
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It was just five micrograms of the spike protein, just like you give a small amount of tetanus
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No genetic technology, no trickery going on within cells.
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We'd expect the biodistribution to be different.
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And in the New England Journal of Medicine papers in June, there was a very good immune response
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against the legacy of variants, 90% protection, as good as Pfizer and Moderna.
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It got some entry in Europe and Australia, but now the virus has mutated.
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So I think the opportunity even for Novavax, I think that window was closed.
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And Novavax, to be clear, could not manufacture the vaccine.
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The company was one of those that was a, it had never created a, manufactured a vaccine,
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There was great hope in the medical community, I know, about its vaccine and its architecture
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and its efficacy, but the company could not get out of its own way.
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And then there is, as you suggest, it looked to me like there were some impediments put in
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front of it too, because they didn't want to deal with it.
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Remember, Operation Warp Speed had all the resources possible.
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So they could have easily just taken the innovation from Novavax as an 800-person U.S. company and
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then literally just contracted to one of the big pharma companies and just make it.
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Now, it uses a moth model, which is kind of interesting.
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It uses moths in, in a sense, a vivarium that produces the gene and then a hamstring ovary
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But the, I'm sorry, not a hamstring ovary suspension, but a biological system to start
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I think the virus, honestly, is just ahead of mankind.
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And what we should do right now is just focus on protecting some of the high-risk seniors who
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That is primarily the older Americans, the senior citizens who are, as you pointed out,
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I think it's also, going back to the Army and the military right now, you're talking about
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This is also the week that the Army is going to separate a bunch of people who have soldiers
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Yet with everything that you're saying, that everything that is coming to light,
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there are great questions about whether the Army has the right to do that, and whether
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or not, and we should know what was the pressure that they were put under by the White House,
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for example, and whether we're being fair to these soldiers who are being separated
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And you think about some of these specialty units, you know, apparently it's millions and
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millions of dollars that could put into training a single fighter pilot, for instance.
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Can you imagine the U.S. investment to just say, listen, since you're not taking the vaccine,
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And I think Dr. Malone said it right at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
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He said, where there's risk, there must be choice.
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And I think everyone agrees the vaccines have risk to it.
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Even the FDA says the vaccines can cause heart injury.
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Most of the young men in the military are in the age range where they can sustain heart
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Scharf and colleagues have shown that the age is age 18 to 24.
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Rose and myself have published that it goes all the way up to age 50 in men.
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Well, if there's any risk, Lou, there must be a choice.
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I think most Americans, you know, we're a free-thinking, free bunch of folks.
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We are allowing our government and our media, frankly, to overwhelm good judgment and to have
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citizens actually questioning themselves rather than their doctors, the mass media.
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But it does look like we're starting to at least see a glimmer of sunshine breaking through,
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again, in large measure because of you, Dr. Malone, and a handful of others who've made
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a very big difference, I'd like to ask you about the idea that schools, and we've talked
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about this before, but I think people need to hear your thoughts, your thinking about
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school mass in classrooms shutting down lockdowns in schools because it's so critically important
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to every parent and every child out there, you know, of school age.
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You know, they're starting to segregate kids in some schools out in California, Lou, and
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there is a project that starts called the Gavel Project, started by a young attorney, Ryan Heath.
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They got 70 attorneys now, and they are going hard at these health systems for basically
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taking away people's civil liberties here, that the masks have never had any scientific
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So mask expert, Stephen Petty, he's an engineer, he's calculated 18% of the air, Lou, goes around
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The virus is so small, it moves in and out of, through the masks and all the testing that's
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There have been 12 randomized trials shown that public masking doesn't work.
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Now, you know, I'm a doctor, I wear a mask in a hospital, as I should, in the cath lab
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The bottom line is, you know, the mask holds back droplets.
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So if you had a big sneeze, it would be inappropriate to be cutting somebody's hair and sneeze on
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them, just like if I'm a doctor and I'm examining the heart, the same thing.
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I think people working at close range wear a mask for common courtesy, not for COVID reasons.
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Everybody else should be unencumbered with masks.
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So masks have basically symbolized, I think, fear and people impressing their will on others
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They symbolize so many bad things in America right now.
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You know, I want to turn to, as well, to the efficacy.
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Suddenly, there were three shots, boosters were required.
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And again, the public was sort of brought along.
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They were, there wasn't herd immunity, but there sure was a lot of herding and most, and
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Why did we have a situation which really the FDA didn't approve any of these drugs and point
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of fact, they gave them an emergency use authorization.
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Is it because they know something we don't and only suspect?
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None of the vaccines hit traditional efficacy or safety standards.
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So the traditional would be that a vaccine has to have 50% protection.
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None of them have 50% protection against Delta.
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And then with Omicron, it's close to 0% protection.
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And then the second thing on safety, Lou, there's been, you know, the U.S. CDC, their system
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It has over 40,000 individuals permanently disabled.
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So you can imagine, you know, Moderna and Pfizer actually have been given, Moderna and then BioNTech, the German company that's working with Pfizer, they've been awarded biological licensing agreements.
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All that means is they can, if they commit to post-marketing studies, and the FDA has put a ton of post-marketing studies on them for a heart injury,
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and they come up with a package insert that's going to be survivable, they could have market entry.
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But if they have market entry, they're going to have to convince an insurance company to pay for it.
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So I don't think these companies earnestly really want FDA approval.
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They're getting pre-purchased product, no development costs, basically a pharmaceutical massive gravy train through the EUA mechanism.
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But the rest of it, in terms of liability and all of the people who are suffering some sort of effect, it's not a great way for public health in this country to be carried out.
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I'm very, very concerned as well about what are people going to say when we get to it?
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Let's assume that, well, let's not assume, but it's possible that Omicron could be one of the last, if not the last stage in this pandemic, correct?
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It's almost like you went to the fireworks, and you get to the very end, and they shoot off everything they've got left in the cannons, you know, that big finale.
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And my point is, what in the world are people going to think as we unwind this?
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And we're going to, there will be, you know there will be, great hearings, a great number of hearings.
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There's going to be great second-guessing, great amounts of second-guessing.
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And public health in this country is, in my opinion, on trial here, and it doesn't look good on the guilty pleas.
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You know, I think a lot of it was organizational, Lou.
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Right now, the sponsors of the vaccine program are the FDA and the CDC.
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The FDA should always be the drug safety watchdog.
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So the FDA should be safety watchdog, the CDC should be the outbreak investigation group, and the NIH should be the government research funding group.
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That means we should have had a separate pandemic response unit executing the vaccine program, and we should have had Independent Day Safety Monitoring Board, Adjudication Committee, and Human Ethics Committee, and monthly review.
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If we would have had monthly review, we would have identified these problems early, probably been able to adjust the vaccines.
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I think they probably would have just been restricted to our high-risk seniors.
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We could have actually, the vaccine program could have done a lot of good if it was executed correctly.
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But it's been basically this out-of-control public menace now.
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Parents are trembling in fear of what's going to happen with their children.
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Everything's basically spiraling out of control.
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Spiraling out of control, Dr. Fauci announcing that, and I love these pronouncements that he makes, but announcing that the U.S. is exiting full-blown pandemic phase of coronavirus crisis.
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Well, I think we clearly are exiting the Omicron outbreak.
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But the Omicron outbreak was so mild, even though it involved a lot of people.
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It was five times as bigger than the other peak, but it was narrow.
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There's been a great underutilization of early treatment.
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If we would have had all of our government officials focused on the sick person at hand with a very comprehensive early treatment program, I mean, all the medical systems engaged, we should have been focusing on the medical community.
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To this day, Mayo Clinic has no protocol for COVID.
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They still haven't treated a single outpatient with a branded protocol.
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No hospital, Lou, claims to be a center of excellence for COVID.
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You'd think right now, Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic would be advertising, send your sick COVID patients here.
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There is no bravado in taking care of COVID patients.
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It's also disturbing, because talking to various doctors, the reality is that they were depending upon the CDC for guidance, for direction.
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They have their practices, whatever their specialty is.
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I can only imagine, because people appreciate, I believe, what doctors must stay up to date on, the education that is constant and continuing throughout their careers.
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I guess what I'm saying to you is, I don't see anything right about what the CDC did and has been doing, frankly.
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And I really think that we're going to have to change our public health institutions and organization.
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You know, when I was doing my innovative work on how to treat COVID-19, I published the very first paper teaching doctors how to treat in the major literature in the American Journal of Medicine.
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There were people saying, listen, this is important.
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But, you know, I wrote the White House task force, you know, tried to break into any type of discussion with people.
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And no one would hear a word about early treatment.
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And to this day, our government officials have never given a full-throated endorsement for early treatment.
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They're not telling people where to access these myoclonal antibodies.
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They're not even talking up the new Pfizer and Merck drugs.
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All we hear about is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.
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There should be, we should be telling people right now, high-risk seniors who are getting sick with COVID, how they can access these important products.
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You put together, I think, would be a protocol of treatment that was very helpful.
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And I think a lot of people, and your conversations with Joe Rogan, for example, you and Robert Malone.
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I mean, that really set a, that sort of set a fire, didn't it, in the public consciousness, that really was very helpful.
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This man who's being threatened by so many because he dared to listen to outliers from the orthodoxy of American medicine.
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You know, Robert F. Kennedy, who, you know, runs the Children Health Defense, he has a strong, he has a strong position on safety of vaccines.
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So Joe Rogan, who has a huge audience, you know, Joe Rogan, not only does he actually get fried, and then, you know, you have Neil Young and Harry and his wife and all these others.
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And it kept going and going, but it quickly got off COVID.
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And then it's about, you know, Rogan making other comments on things that quickly became political.
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I've communicated with him some on this, and I feel bad because he's almost now getting fried in these ad hominem attacks.
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And it's quickly gotten off the science that people really want to go after somebody, want to go after Robert F. Kennedy.
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And, you know, it's just the double standard's amazing.
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He also presented at the Lincoln Memorial, as I did.
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And, you know, he gets, he's very concerned about this.
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I've taken, my kids have taken all the vaccines.
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But for the COVID-19 vaccines, they broke all the rules.
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And then we started seeing the safety effects, what have you.
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This was early on because I knew I was taking risks.
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And then I've had now the Omicron variant in December.
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And honestly, I'm just not personally worried as I navigate through life on a day-to-day basis.
00:45:09.640
And what you're saying is Kennedy is at all vaccines?
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He has a strong view that vaccines have not had enough safety oversight.
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Now, he makes the case that, you know, he wants to see safe and effective products.
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But there are vaccine-injured people out there.
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And because of the indemnification of the vaccine manufacturers, the parents have nowhere to go.
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This is a country in which you have the freedom to make your own decisions.
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And for anyone to feel otherwise, you know, that's their right, too.
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But for our government to lay down laws and directives and executive orders and mandates that are not supported by peer-reviewed, skeptical scientists and medical researchers and doctors is, to me, crazy.
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And, boy, you know, I have a podcast myself, the McCullough Report on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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I interviewed a German doctor this week who said, you know, in Germany, public gatherings are outlawed because we could not get together and do what you guys did in Washington.
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He goes, but what we're doing is we're doing silent walks.
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And we are walking hundreds of thousands of people together.
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And when we're asked, he said, listen, we're just exercising and we're quiet.
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Somehow it got into the minds of people to start taking on totalitarian-like thinking.
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And our goal is, in a sense, to wake ourselves up out of this trance.
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I think there's something else that's happened as well.
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And I think, as you correctly gave credit to those truckers in Canada, they've done something magnificent.
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Standing up for liberty, for their rights, and against the oppression of their government.
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But they've shown also, once again, something that I think has been proved far too often in Canada, that Trudeau is a complete fool.
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He has no place running a government, no place leading a country.
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What is really, to me, heartening is, as you say, people in Germany simply marching, walking.
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We're finding out, whether we look to the North, to the Canadians, whether we look to the UK, to the Brits, this is not a world that is made like us.
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We have laws and rights that make us the folks who decide what our government will do.
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This government is now working against the people.
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And the people, I think, as a result of this experience, as tragic as it has been, as difficult as it has been, as disruptive to American life and society as it has been, is reminding us what God-given blessing we have here in this great country.
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It also reminds us that there are, you know, there's a lot of discussion about God-given rights, human rights.
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My view is there are only American rights in this country.
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We can discuss whether God led us or whether there is providence to those rights.
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But those rights are all sanctioned in blood, the blood of soldiers who have fought for those rights and for all of us who have worked so hard to keep this country free.
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And I have to say to you, doctor, you are amongst the leaders.
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And I thank you so much for everything you've done, at great risk to your career, at great risk, period, to stand up for what you know, for what you knew to be right.
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And you have helped all of the rest of us understand, as best we can, the issues and to come down on the side of this great country and our treasured freedoms.
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And I fully and wholeheartedly agree with those statements.
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So with that, why don't we leave it here, Lou, and let's see what happens over the next few days and weeks.
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Thanks for being with us here today and continuing to lead us through this very complex time in which we live.
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Join us again tomorrow for the Great America Podcast.
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