The Great America Show - DR. ROBERT MALONE SAYS FLATLY NO ONE SHOULD GET mRNA VACCINES： THEY’RE NOT EFFECTIVE AND THEY’RE NOT SAFE

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Today, we're talking politics,

00:00:06.340 but not the usual kind, but politics nonetheless, politics of the proximate and personal kind,

00:00:13.380 the kind that can have life and death consequences. Today, we're talking about all the conflicting

00:00:19.220 reports and points of view about COVID. That's right. There's another scare storm on the way

00:00:25.960 to this country, to media near you, brought to you by taxpayer dollars, to persuade you and me,

00:00:32.880 all of us, to get the jab. Do we want to do that? Maybe as much as a shot every two months,

00:00:39.480 we'll be taking up important questions like that. How virulent is the coming of the next viral variant?

00:00:46.500 How worried should we be? And do the messenger RNA vaccines work as advertised? Do they work at all?

00:00:53.900 Do they prevent COVID? Do they make it less deadly and debilitating or anything at all?

00:01:00.160 And of course, there is the view that the vaccine is actually a factor in worse fatality rates and

00:01:06.720 hospitalizations. Is it really a good idea to vaccinate six-month-old babies? Who needs the

00:01:13.760 vaccine and who doesn't? Our guest today is the prominent physician, biochemist, mRNA scientist,

00:01:21.080 immunologist, Dr. Robert Malone. Dr. Malone's research has been called seminal in the development

00:01:27.800 of mRNA vaccines. Well, Dr. Robert Malone is not an anti-vaxxer by any definition or at all. He is an

00:01:37.020 outspoken COVID vaccine skeptic and critic. Just a few days ago, Twitter, which mercifully is now under

00:01:44.680 new management as they say, reinstated Dr. Malone's account with our thanks to Elon Musk. Twitter banned

00:01:52.620 him almost a year ago for spreading what Twitter called then misleading information, potentially

00:01:58.760 harmful information. That is, Dr. Malone had the temerity to inform and caution the American people

00:02:06.640 about the risks and dangers of taking the mRNA vaccines. In particular, vaccines made by Pfizer,

00:02:15.280 BioNTech, and Moderna. I know a lot of people have a lot of questions right now about the threat

00:02:21.260 posed by another wave of COVID, while hospitals already in some parts of the country are filling up

00:02:27.800 because of this year's flu epidemic and the spread of RSVP, a respiratory virus which is slowing. And

00:02:36.740 our guest today to take up all of this, to deal with all of these important questions and concerns

00:02:41.980 we see and hear expressed every day is Dr. Robert Malone. Dr. Malone, great to have you back with us

00:02:48.880 here on The Great America Show. Welcome. So now, all across the country, people are being told that the

00:02:55.060 mother of all COVIDs could be on the way. To ready your masks, move to an appropriate distance from

00:03:01.140 all other life forms, boost your boosters, and do so in perpetuity. Prepare for lockdown, shut-ins,

00:03:07.900 quarantines, and 24-7 defenses against our fears of all kinds. So that's the hyperbole. We all hope it's

00:03:15.920 hyperbole. Dr. Malone, how concerned should we really be about this new iteration of the COVID virus?

00:03:23.280 Okay, so absolutely, we have been subjected to three years of chronic fear porn and information

00:03:35.080 warfare to serve a variety of interests. It's hard to disambiguate exactly what they are.

00:03:44.260 Long ago, it seems like forever, I had mentioned in various podcasts that the general arc of what

00:03:52.440 happens when a new pathogen, especially a viral pathogen, especially a RNA respiratory virus

00:03:59.700 pathogen, enters the global human population. And the tendency is when it jumps from another species

00:04:06.880 or from a laboratory, so it's a novel pathogen, it enters the human population. In general, what happens

00:04:14.780 is that it will go through an evolutionary process fairly rapidly and typically become less pathogenic and

00:04:23.300 more highly infectious. And the alternative hypothesis has been that that Gert van der Basche has promoted

00:04:32.360 appropriately. I'm not criticizing him in any way. But there's always the risk in virology,

00:04:41.360 in public health, that a virus could take a different path and evolve to become more pathogenic.

00:04:48.520 The good news is that it looks like this thing is on track as I had originally hoped it would be.

00:04:56.060 And we are getting agents which are more highly infectious and less pathogenic.

00:05:03.720 So we absolutely have clear indications that the virus has evolved to escape the immune response

00:05:15.620 elicited by the vaccine products. And I hesitate to call them vaccines, whatever we want to call them,

00:05:23.540 the jabs. And it also has evaded virtually all of the monoclonal antibody products that were generated

00:05:34.020 here in the United States for the American population. And those have all been basically withdrawn because

00:05:40.300 they're no longer effective. So that teaches us a lot about monoclonal antibodies and respiratory

00:05:48.760 viruses. But I think that it's, you know, the administration has yet again spun up another

00:06:00.740 kind of dark winter, ominous foreboding storyline, go get your vaccines, etc. Remember that they've

00:06:09.540 appropriated without congressional authorization, they have essentially reappropriated HHS funds to the

00:06:17.440 tune of about $475 million to promote the bivalent vaccines, which depending on which study you look

00:06:26.420 at only 11 to 14 percent of the population have accepted. And they're very frustrated because we're

00:06:33.180 not all willing sheep. And we think so many of us are thinking for ourselves, even Tony Fauci was on

00:06:40.260 record during his last pass at the DC press tour a couple weekends ago, expressing frustration that

00:06:49.520 his opponents seem to be winning as measured by the unwillingness of the population to take the

00:06:57.960 products, particularly these bivalent boosters and the jabs for kids. So that's where it's at. I think

00:07:07.460 we've now been through two dark winter forecasts from the president of the United States, particularly

00:07:14.040 last year's. Remember, he was predicting widespread death in the unvaccinated. I'm very glad that that 1.00

00:07:21.540 prediction did not come to pass. We all are. We all are. I hope he is glad too that those dark warnings

00:07:31.480 did not manifest. They may not have been politically useful that that didn't happen. But I picked it up

00:07:37.680 in Mexico City. I've heard the cough all over the world as I've traveled. I heard it in Istanbul.

00:07:44.980 There's something that's circulating. It doesn't appear to be COVID. I don't know exactly what it is,

00:07:50.900 but it's not killing people. So I think we can all tell Jake Tapper and his buddies at CNN to go pound sand

00:08:00.980 and let's hope that they get a pink slip before Christmas, I guess. Not that I have anything

00:08:10.180 personal against Jake and his family, but I am a little tired of his fear porn business model.

00:08:16.160 Well, he is. He's fundamentally a left wing activist. He is a he comes from the Marxist dim

00:08:26.020 school of broadcasting. That is, he was working for the Democrats in the open before he began

00:08:34.240 working for them. And I think he's a member of the he's CNN has got this amazing squad of members of

00:08:41.220 the Council of Foreign Relations, right? And he's one of them. Well, there's a lot of that in the

00:08:47.280 national media. The CFR is, of course, their refuge from reality when they want to talk geopolitics.

00:08:54.880 It's it's really quite an organization funded to the hilt by corporate the corporatist driven by

00:09:03.660 left wing politics and a neoliberal world order view. So there you are, whoever's it.

00:09:10.980 I would love Lou, if anytime you want to riff on that, give me a call because I think we could all

00:09:17.660 learn a lot from you. You've been around the this business a long time and you kind of know where

00:09:21.640 the bodies are buried. Well, I know where some of them are. My my chief task over the years has been

00:09:27.920 to keep mine from being married. But I would be delighted to do that talk with you anytime.

00:09:36.140 Let's let's in terms of this, this crazy talk coming out again now from Bill Gates talking about,

00:09:46.060 as you put it, a viral winter, a COVID winter. What is the motivation here and why are we now being

00:09:55.840 bombarded again? I mean, what is the payoff for those who want to create a hysteria at the very

00:10:03.340 least, a motivation for young people to go out and get jabbed for young, healthy adults to go out

00:10:13.120 and get this vaccine when the guys that I respect and I'm talking about you, I'm talking about McCullough

00:10:20.680 and so forth. You know, the dissidents, if you will, but the enlightened dissidents who have warned us

00:10:28.760 of what turned out to be the reality for for years now. And here we go again with a disinformation,

00:10:37.820 I'll call it that a disinformation campaign rather than a public health campaign.

00:10:42.940 For a minute there, I thought you were channeling Ronald Reagan.

00:10:45.340 Um, here they go again. Uh, so, uh, that's the topic of the book. Really a lies my government

00:10:53.800 told me and no surprise. The lies keep coming. Uh, the, it is really hard for me having spent a year

00:11:04.180 diving down every rabbit hole I could find to try to make sense of all this. I still, um, come to the

00:11:12.560 conclusion that, uh, there, this is a multifaceted agenda. Uh, and, um, it's hard to overlook the data

00:11:28.500 suggesting and, and the documents, the written books about the great reset, the great narrative,

00:11:35.600 et cetera, the various writings and presentations coming from, uh, Bill Gates's, uh, good buddy,

00:11:43.660 Klaus Schwab and, uh, Harari, his wingman, uh, and, uh, the world health organization and, uh, all of

00:11:54.780 these other globalist, um, cabals that this is about something more than public health. Uh, and, um,

00:12:04.100 Mr. Gates is on record, um, basically bragging about, uh, his return on investment by going into the

00:12:11.920 vaccine business. There was a Politico story that came out a couple of months ago that, uh, disclosed,

00:12:22.780 uh, you know, in Politico. So it was basically the voice of the government, a lot of the adverse events

00:12:30.180 in other aspects and, and, and the counterproductive nature of the lockdowns and the masking, et cetera.

00:12:37.460 Uh, and, uh, I was on Bannon's podcast, uh, with Naomi Wolf and they were really excited because of

00:12:46.180 these disclosures. And I pointed out to them that this had all the hallmarks of a limited hangout

00:12:52.560 and that, uh, what it was really doing was setting up this agenda for, uh, providing a huge boost in

00:13:02.200 capital as well as power for the world health organization. Um, there's no question that there

00:13:10.860 is, uh, coordination and collusion between HHS and this current white house and the world health

00:13:18.040 organization to advance an agenda through the vehicle of the international health regulations

00:13:24.520 to enable, uh, Tedros, the director general to have the power to declare a worldwide epidemic

00:13:35.880 emergencies, pandemic emergencies. And once that declaration is made to have a series of basically

00:13:44.400 war powers that invest directly with this globalist organization, it's, you know, a branch of the UN

00:13:53.100 very tied to the world economic forum, uh, to give them power and China or all kinds of exactly the

00:14:01.360 CCP. Um, there's no, the links between Tedros and the CCP and the links between Tedros and Bill Gates

00:14:08.380 are, has been likes to say in your grill. Uh, they, they just don't care. Uh, you know, whether we know

00:14:16.380 them or not, it's not subtle. So, so I think that, uh, you ask what's the, uh, underlying agenda.

00:14:24.240 There is absolutely an underlying agenda of justifying, uh, the weaponization of public health

00:14:33.180 for, uh, various, uh, various interests relating to, uh, money, power, uh, centralization of control.

00:14:41.520 And remember the thing that's on the table with the, um, international health regulation

00:14:47.020 declarations, which were sidetracked basically by emerging economies, including in Latin America

00:14:52.960 and Africa. Uh, what's, what's on the table there is, um, a pathway to loss of sovereignty 0.89

00:15:02.800 by independent nation states and the, a connection between the world health organization and the

00:15:10.540 world trade organization. The world health organization doesn't have any enforcement

00:15:14.080 authority, but the world trade organization can implement sanctions. And that's, what's

00:15:19.080 proposed is that if Tedros declares a public health emergency, like for instance, monkeypox,

00:15:25.600 which turned out to be a nothing burger. Um, and he, he declared his advisory committee's vote

00:15:31.720 of nine to six, nine being against, uh, declaring it a public, a worldwide public health emergency.

00:15:37.260 He declared that a tie that he had to step in and break. Um, that's, that's where we're going.

00:15:44.200 This is the kind of person, the kind of politics, the kind of logic and the, you know, authoritarian,

00:15:51.280 um, uh, kind of totalitarian mindset, uh, that, uh, for whatever reason, uh, Bill Gates and his

00:15:59.500 cronies, uh, wish to vest with more money and more power. And I'm, I am, I am absolutely not convinced

00:16:09.120 that the real agenda is, um, it's, that is public health. I think it is much bigger and deeper than

00:16:16.740 public health. I think you're right. And I want to get to, to what, uh, to an expansion of that view,

00:16:23.660 uh, and see what we can correlate and connect. But I also want to go first for the audience's sake.

00:16:33.160 Uh, I'm going to ask you a series of questions about the viral, uh, alarms that are, are being,

00:16:40.540 uh, uh, bellowed from Washington DC and from New York, uh, and the United nations.

00:16:48.080 Okay. So short, short answer, round Robin, I'll do my best. You got it. Uh, is there any reason

00:16:55.960 in your judgment, convincing, persuasive medical reason for people to be, uh, jabbing six month old

00:17:05.880 babies? Absolutely not. Uh, the risk benefit is completely upside down.

00:17:11.020 Um, anyone five years or younger? Nope. Once again, I mean, you can go all the way up the ladder.

00:17:19.260 We, we, that's what I'm going to do. My group made that determination back. I think it was in August

00:17:25.820 in our declaration for, from the global COVID summit, that these products should be withdrawn

00:17:31.480 from the market. They're neither safe nor effective over 12 years are younger. No, this there's,

00:17:40.280 especially in males. And why is that? Because they're far more susceptible to the, uh, myocarditis

00:17:49.980 effects and the lasting cardiac damage that, that accrues from that. And I'm going to go that now

00:17:58.480 at what age should a person in your judgment, absolutely get a jab.

00:18:07.400 If we're talking about the, uh, genetic vaccines for COVID. Right. Um, I just wanted to declare it,

00:18:16.100 you know, make that Pfizer. There, there is no, uh, there is no age cohort for which the risks,

00:18:24.620 um, are less than the benefits. In other words, the risk benefit ratio is upside down in all age

00:18:31.380 cohorts. And the data, even from our own CDC is now clear. The reason why they are trying to,

00:18:40.840 uh, entice people to take the quote booster jab every two months, because that's now the government

00:18:47.720 official position, right? So you would get six jabs a year of the booster.

00:18:52.980 Now you're telling me something that I didn't know. Yeah. So CDC says we should get, who should

00:18:59.540 get boosters? Everybody should get jabbed every two months, uh, in the, uh, licensed, uh, age ranges.

00:19:08.220 Um, so these are young adults through the elderly. And the reason is because, uh, after at two months,

00:19:15.160 well, at administration, there is some apparent benefit to protection against hospitalization and

00:19:22.600 death. But after two months post vaccination, the data are clear worldwide. And now in the United

00:19:31.100 States that the effectiveness line crosses zero, you get to negative effectiveness, which means that

00:19:38.240 if you've taken the boosters after two months, you're increasingly at higher risk for, uh, hospitalization

00:19:46.960 and death, if you don't receive yet another booster, um, compared to the, uh, you know, otherwise naturally

00:19:54.400 immune or unvaccinated population. Did that make sense? Uh, I think it does. Uh, let me test it. 1.00

00:20:01.620 So what I heard you say is that there is no convincing evidence of benefits, uh, that outweigh the risk

00:20:09.980 for the, for adults, uh, taking these boosters after two months. And in fact, the contrary is true.

00:20:18.640 The evidence is that it makes it more likely after two months that you'll be hospitalized or die.

00:20:26.340 And yet it is government. You're saying it's government public health policy two months

00:20:31.740 every two months. And, um, of course, each time you take the product, um, you roll the dice again

00:20:42.280 for having the adverse events. Now, what a lot of people, uh, point out appropriately is the logic.

00:20:51.240 Well, I took the jab and I didn't have any problems. So therefore it can't be anywhere near as bad

00:20:56.340 as you guys are saying it is. There are those who assert that everybody that takes the jab is going

00:21:03.060 to die. That's false. Okay. That's just more fear porn on the other side. So let's throw that one

00:21:10.060 away. It's true that, um, your risk of having serious, uh, medical complications, grade three

00:21:18.320 adverse events from the jab is something in the range of one in a thousand to one in three thousand.

00:21:24.040 So for most of us, we go to the roulette table, we spin the thing, there's a thousand slots and the

00:21:31.900 marble doesn't fall into the one that we placed our bet on. However, each time you spin that roulette

00:21:39.780 wheel, it's the same probability. You get, um, the same or even greater chance that you'll, you'll lose.

00:21:47.680 Um, and it'll fall into your slot. And, uh, I guess that's not quite the right metaphor in terms of

00:21:53.360 playing roulette. Uh, but you get the point it's like rolling the dice. And every time you rule a

00:21:59.340 dice, you have another chance that you're going to have the problem. I hate the metaphor that some

00:22:04.120 people use a Russian roulette, but if you want to use that, it's like, you've got a revolver with a

00:22:09.840 thousand chambers and one bullet. And yeah, most of the time you're not going to blow your head off.

00:22:14.260 Uh, but sometimes, uh, it might come around and, and, uh, at random and, and you hope that you're not

00:22:21.240 that person. Well, as, and we all hope we're never that person, but there isn't a clear set of

00:22:31.100 guidelines. And by a clear set of guidelines, I mean, promulgated and advertised. Everything is

00:22:36.860 driving one size fits all go get your vaccine. There is no question, Lou, that our government

00:22:44.420 is compromised. There is no, that the evidence is overwhelming. And now we have this Rasmussen poll

00:22:53.180 that recently came out, Rasmussen, not being known to be a particularly partisan organization,

00:22:58.600 um, that is claiming that something in the range of 20% of all people that have taken the jab

00:23:04.820 have had serious adverse events. And these are people willing to report it to a pollster.

00:23:10.660 And that's in the face of all the propaganda they've been subjected to that causes a lot of

00:23:15.160 people to be completely blind and hypnotized about whether or not whatever they're experiencing,

00:23:20.880 like their heart attack might've been related to the jab that they took two weeks ago.

00:23:26.220 Most of the deaths, as I understand it, have been in the population 65 and older. Is that correct?

00:23:32.420 Absolutely. And the average age of death from COVID exceeds, is, is older than the average age of

00:23:41.260 death in the general population. So one of the problems with those data that you're citing

00:23:46.240 is that they are clearly biased. They're biased because in, among other things, the hospitals have been

00:23:54.580 given financial incentives to, uh, to declare deaths or hospitalization as due to COVID or SARS-CoV-2,

00:24:06.320 even if they're really due to something else and they just happen to have a PCR positive test.

00:24:12.460 I spoke about this on Joe Rogan and it was controversial at the time, but it's been validated

00:24:17.740 repeatedly since then. There are major financial incentives for over reporting death and disease

00:24:23.960 associated with this virus. That's what I was going to ask you. Are those incentives

00:24:28.600 still in place? Absolutely. Everything I've heard, that's the case.

00:24:34.620 And that being the case, what do we know for sure? Should people, at what age, okay, first of all,

00:24:42.600 should anyone get the vaccine in your judgment? No, it is this, these products are not safe

00:24:48.720 and they are not effective period. Full stop at any age, at any age. Okay. That is exactly what I

00:24:57.160 was going to, I was going to take another slow walk to it, but the, uh, here we are. So with that being

00:25:04.120 the case, why in the world is the CDC, the white house, HHS, uh, I understand what the WHO is doing

00:25:16.240 because of talk about compromise. They're compromised in every way. In fact, they're under the, the thumb

00:25:23.260 of Xi Jinping. I think you could make a pretty good case. Uh, why is it our, our, our medical community

00:25:30.680 is not responding to the reality they see before them? They're looking at the same data. I presume

00:25:37.100 that you are, uh, and that other doctors, uh, who I respect are. Why is the medical community so,

00:25:45.180 uh, retrograde in dealing with what is an obvious reality to you and other, uh, doctors prominent in

00:25:55.420 your fields, uh, telling them? We can't really know what's going on in people's heads and in the

00:26:03.960 heads of the physicians. What we can do is look at the data and look at the behavior. We can judge

00:26:10.780 them by their actions as you're doing. We're in a, and, and I believe that what we're dealing with is

00:26:18.860 a multifactorial problem. It's not one simple thing. Medical, uh, health providers are compromised

00:26:30.160 in multiple ways. Uh, many of them, particularly the physicians and the younger, uh, physicians are

00:26:38.500 supporting enormous debt. Uh, they essentially have golden handcuffs and, uh, because of changes in

00:26:47.580 Obamacare and particularly, uh, it has driven most physicians to, uh, drop private practice and to

00:26:57.760 join these large hospital-based consortia to a significant extent because the paperwork cost

00:27:04.620 has become enormous under the latest federal statutes. And so they really, it, I was told that

00:27:12.400 it cost about $200,000 for a physician private practice to upgrade to the new requirements necessary

00:27:19.700 to support the Obamacare provisions. So, uh, folks have all been kind of forced into working for,

00:27:28.520 uh, the big hospital chains and by extension, the insurance companies. Many of these have, uh,

00:27:38.940 uh, uh, they're capitalized in part through significant investments from the big investment

00:27:45.620 firms, you know, the usual state street, Vanguard, BlackRock, Bank of America, and also by the

00:27:51.300 pharmaceutical industry. The pharmaceutical industry is absolutely bought into the hospital

00:27:56.000 chains and, uh, influences them directly. So the, the docs are compromised in their own personal

00:28:05.320 financial situation. They're forced into kind of an indentured servitude with the large hospital

00:28:12.260 chains. The large hospital chains are managed indirectly by the insurance companies and of

00:28:18.080 course, by their stockholders or their owners. Um, and also by various public health policies from

00:28:24.980 the United States government. And that loops us back to these perverse incentives, uh, which were

00:28:30.620 appear to have been granted to the hospitals in part because the lockdown policies would have

00:28:36.260 destroyed them financially because almost all of their profit comes from elective procedures.

00:28:42.340 Then, then you have the fact that the docs were all on the front line of the first ones to take the

00:28:47.060 jab. So for them to come to terms with what they've done, and a few of them have, uh, they kind of have

00:28:55.700 to warp their head around the fact that they probably shouldn't have done what they did initially and

00:29:02.740 come to terms with what they have advised their patients to do. That's a real hard left. A bunch of

00:29:08.900 the docs that have been at the front line of treating have PTSD, particularly those ones from the major urban

00:29:14.540 centers like New York city. Um, so it's a whole bunch of things that go into this. Uh, and, uh,

00:29:22.700 one of the worst is as time goes by, it's becoming more and more clear that pharma has basically bought

00:29:30.200 out most of the, uh, major journals and, uh, you know, and the professional associations have

00:29:40.020 huge economic ties to the pharmaceutical industry that often provides them grants and other forms of

00:29:46.620 subsidies. So it, like I said, it's multifactorial year on our discussion list had been talking about

00:29:54.700 a transplant case and a pediatric, a child. Um, and there are very close ties between the vaccine

00:30:02.300 part of the pharmaceutical industry and the American transplant association, which receives quite a bit

00:30:08.800 of money from them. So again, you know, the power of mammon, a whole lot of financial conflict of

00:30:15.200 interest and, uh, together with these trends that have forced physicians out of primary care into

00:30:22.300 the hands of the large hospital chains and, uh, the hospital chains basically, uh, giving the

00:30:29.380 physicians no choice other than to tow the party line, uh, for a variety of reasons. And one of those is

00:30:37.060 frankly, legal coverage. Um, if you work for the big hospital chain and you veer from the approved

00:30:44.520 protocol for treating COVID and your patient dies, um, the hospital chain is liable. And so it's

00:30:51.340 the path of least resistance to just go along with what the government says.

00:30:56.860 And the risks are those is, is consigned to the patient entirely as a result.

00:31:03.120 Oh, absolutely. When you describe this, uh, big pharma, uh, public health agencies, you have the White House

00:31:13.220 government, HHS, CDC, and, uh, the economic forces that work on doctors, uh, all of, uh, all of health care,

00:31:25.000 really, uh, you're talking about a system that is so, uh, interconnected. I'm going to be kind at first,

00:31:33.240 and then I'm going to be blunt. Uh, they're so interconnected that it's almost impossible for

00:31:38.780 any of them to wiggle free from the system, uh, and still be economically viable in any other

00:31:45.900 straightforward language. That's called a corrupt, a corrupt, uh, uh, echoes, uh, ecology. Yeah. That,

00:31:56.540 that just is mind boggling. The corrupt is so profound that, um, I, I cannot see, I'm asked all

00:32:05.880 the time, well, what can we do to fix HHS for instance? And really the same question goes for

00:32:11.260 homeland security. The same question goes for, um, agriculture department. The same question goes

00:32:17.220 for FAA, all these entities that have dual purpose, dual function, they're all compromised. Um, and

00:32:24.220 it's so deep and broad that it seems like they've completely lost integrity. Our government has lost

00:32:31.940 integrity and, uh, it's hard to see how we get that back without tearing it down to the foundations.

00:32:41.260 Well, then you overlay that with a very straightforward ideological reality. The

00:32:48.700 Marxist Dems are driving the democratic party. The Marxist Dems control the white house. The

00:32:55.420 Marxist Dems mean to, as Obama promised, fundamentally transform America. We're watching it happen before

00:33:03.340 our eyes. We don't always recognize it. We always can't see all of the interconnections, but what you've

00:33:09.980 described, uh, should scare, uh, should scare the, the living hell out of anyone because that means

00:33:15.660 the transformation is so far, uh, advanced now. Uh, I, I don't know if it, I seriously, I just don't

00:33:25.340 know if it, if we can rectify it. I, that's hence the logic of rebuilding, um, uh, locally, uh, in, uh,

00:33:35.500 cells basically enabling, uh, physicians to transition back to primary care, um, direct fee

00:33:43.820 for service, avoiding the insurance industry can save you a boatload of money. Uh, I've experienced

00:33:50.780 it myself. Uh, it's, it's hard to shop for medical care. They create all kinds of obstacles to keep that

00:33:58.060 from happening. But, um, if you're, uh, uh, a savvy consumer, uh, you can do that and save quite a bit, but

00:34:09.500 it's patchwork now and somehow we need to expand it, but it has to start somewhere. And I, I like you,

00:34:19.660 I'm, uh, I, I have to struggle to, um, imagine, uh, the better future coming as I have in the byline in

00:34:30.540 the book, uh, because of, of what it's so easy to uncover what we all see now it's in our face, it's

00:34:41.260 in our grill. Uh, and, uh, people speak about the fourth turning, um, the great reset, uh, these phrases,

00:34:51.660 but it's, you, you can't deny it and you cannot deny. Well, well, well, well, I can deny it. Uh, you

00:34:59.980 know, but it's happening. Well, you know, that's, those are interpretations of history and economics

00:35:07.100 and politics that, you know, we don't have the time to go through, but I, I think I could take

00:35:12.380 almost any century and look at points, uh, that, uh, were major shifts, whether it be in a technology

00:35:20.180 foundation that led to societal change that led, we can, we could do all of that. I'm more worried

00:35:26.880 about the conscious determination by elites who have power, wealth, uh, and capacity and, uh, the

00:35:35.840 ambition, uh, to, uh, attack, uh, society and our, our government structure in this country. We are

00:35:44.620 unique in the world. I believe that attack has been underway for some time. I think what you're

00:35:49.880 described, I think what you're describing is representative of just how broad the assault

00:35:55.560 is and how far advanced it is. Uh, at the time for slumber is over. Uh, we, we know the Democrat

00:36:06.200 party is something quite different than what many of the liberal Republicans want to acknowledge,

00:36:12.740 which is, it is a force for the destruction of basic values, institutions in this country that

00:36:19.300 will alter the nation forever. Uh, and that also is very advanced. I I'd like to turn if I may, uh,

00:36:26.980 to, uh, well, I'd like to go back to your point. Why do you bring up this fourth turning and, uh,

00:36:32.980 you know, resets? Um, what, what role does that play in our analysis here?

00:36:39.780 Sure. Um, in my path over the last year in writing this book, uh, lies my government told

00:36:48.740 me, uh, in that of my wife and coauthor, Dr. Joe Glass-Bull-Malone. Um, we've tried to make

00:36:57.400 sense out of, as you are in this program, this broadcast right now to make sense out of these

00:37:03.420 dysfunctional public health decisions and policies. And the only way that we've been able

00:37:09.520 to, uh, have some semblance of sense making is to recognize that there are multiple agendas being

00:37:21.600 served here and that, uh, event 201, uh, this planning session that occurred in, uh, the fall of 2019,

00:37:32.160 uh, regarding a novel coronavirus, which seems to have, uh, completely anticipated virtually all of

00:37:40.080 the actions of the governments all over the world. And, uh, one observes the harmonized,

00:37:46.000 uh, propaganda and information warfare campaign that we've all been subjected to, particularly

00:37:53.680 strangely, these English speaking nations, uh, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, United States.

00:38:02.640 Uh, when you, when you look at who it is that's managing those responses and the harmonization

00:38:11.760 between those policies, in every case, there seems to be this common tie of the world economic

00:38:18.400 forum and the young leaders training program. And then you dive into the book of Klaus Schwab,

00:38:24.480 the great reset, and you dive into the, uh, economic issues, which the central banks were confronting

00:38:34.480 in 2019, which are the same, but perhaps worse than existed in 07, 08 crash, the need to inject

00:38:42.000 liquidity into the economy. And, um, cause of COVID we should, we should know that was that that's the,

00:38:50.320 the need to inject liquidity into the economy existed prior to COVID. Well, um, well, if I may say

00:38:59.520 the need to, to drive more capital into the economy resulted from the immediate deterioration of the

00:39:09.120 economy following the arrival of COVID-19. So, so that's, that's, that's early 20 and that's early

00:39:15.440 2020. That, that, that is a topic for, uh, that, that, uh, many would, uh, disagree with you on many

00:39:23.440 economists. Uh, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Ernst, Ernst Wolf in Germany would be one. Um, and Ed

00:39:31.040 Dowd would be another, for example, um, former BlackRock analyst. Well, I think we could probably find a

00:39:36.320 few, but I'll tell you this, there's one reason that we're looking at $9 trillion on the balance

00:39:42.400 sheet of the federal reserve and the vast expenditures, uh, that were under, well, initiated

00:39:51.200 under the Trump administration, uh, and then which moved to obviously drive, uh, most of the inflation

00:39:58.880 that we've experienced. I know that's not politically, uh, uh, uh, Lou, uh, Larry,

00:40:04.960 that's the foundation of Larry Fink of BlackRock has just come out and, uh, is attempting to campaign

00:40:11.840 the idea that inflation is the consequence of populism. He's trying to, he's trying to blame

00:40:18.080 MAGA for this. Yeah. I don't care. Larry Fink is also the guy pushing ESG. Exactly.

00:40:24.640 It's all, exactly. And that you asked, so you asked me corporate global. Yeah. You, you asked me

00:40:30.880 why, but I was, but what you're saying is Larry Fink is some sort of authority. He is a salesman

00:40:38.400 and he is driving these ideas, which are convenient to him. And in doing so in league with left wing

00:40:45.200 government, i.e. the Biden administration and the, uh, and the Marxist Dems and, and the CCP

00:40:51.120 and the web. Yes, it is. And people may wonder. So my point, my point. Yeah. You, you asked me,

00:40:58.400 um, why I felt the need to go there in terms of these broader agendas. Yeah. And the answer is,

00:41:05.760 I don't think you can comprehend. You, you cannot make sense out of the public health response in the

00:41:12.640 COVID crisis without resorting to awareness of these broader agendas that have nothing to do with

00:41:21.020 public health, but which have benefited from the COVID crisis and the response resulting in the

00:41:27.940 most massive upward transfer of wealth in the history of the United States. I'm, I'm familiar

00:41:34.460 with it. I've been writing books on this since for 20 years. And, and the reality is that's where

00:41:40.260 trillions of dollars are still moving from this economy, uh, to the, to China. Yeah. And these

00:41:48.180 transnational organizations in which, uh, this is the big, I'm sure you're, you're, you've long been

00:41:54.880 there. We're, we're at the position where capital has become decoupled from nation state and geography

00:42:02.660 and it flows out of nation states to these transnational corporations, these huge funds,

00:42:09.860 uh, of which black rock is one, uh, which roam the world seeking return on investment. They have no 0.98

00:42:17.800 other purpose than return on investment. They have no ethics. They have no underlying drivers. Um,

00:42:25.780 and they find the Chinese model very attractive. They have said so explicitly.

00:42:30.640 And so, so have the, so is Joe Biden for crying out loud. Exactly. But, but no, Joe Biden is bloody

00:42:39.820 owned. I mean, let's just be blunt. Um, and, and whatever Elon Musk's agenda is, and I don't think 0.82

00:42:48.100 it's that he wants to save democracy personally. He's a businessman. Um, come on. Uh, but, uh, the

00:42:55.420 Twitter files are, are revealing, uh, so many aspects of what's been going on. You know, uh,

00:43:03.400 doctor, you, you say that he's a businessman. You, the word almost was spit out of your mouth.

00:43:09.100 There are good businessmen and women, but my point is there are, there are even, there are even,

00:43:14.900 and I will hesitate to find a name here, but there are even, uh, oligarchs who can be positive

00:43:22.280 influences in society. Should they choose to do so? Too many don't. I take your point.

00:43:27.900 Elon Musk is what I'm just trying to say about Elon is that, um, to attribute to him, uh, entirely,

00:43:37.020 uh, um, uh, social, uh, benefit agenda. He's not an altruist. I'll agree with you. He, he,

00:43:46.140 he isn't, he, he's not doing this for altruistic purposes. He has, the Twitter was bought

00:43:51.960 it to significant part by middle Eastern money. Um, and, uh, as you know, uh, uh, you know,

00:44:01.700 the golden rule, right? Those are the gold, make the rules. And, uh, I, there's no way you can get

00:44:08.060 me to, uh, Elon is just doing all of this out of the goodness of his heart. No, I'm not, by the way,

00:44:15.620 that isn't what I said at all. Uh, let me tell you what, here's what I do believe if I may.

00:44:21.960 I do believe Elon Musk is the principal voice right now in defense of freedom of speech.

00:44:27.440 Is that in his economic interest? It certainly is. Uh, does it take great courage to do so? Uh, I,

00:44:34.320 I mean, it wasn't so many months ago that China, uh, served notice on Elon Musk as he was making,

00:44:41.160 uh, various comments, uh, that in fact, it was back in October, early October,

00:44:47.640 the state affiliated media official threatened Elon Musk on Twitter after he weighed in on the Russia

00:44:54.180 Ukraine war. You remember when he decided it was time to settle that war? Yes. And, uh, and by the

00:45:00.260 way, he was right. Well, I, I, I have differing views even with him on that. Uh, there, our role in,

00:45:08.160 in that is such a dreadful mess because of Joe Biden who could have stopped it, could have intervened

00:45:13.000 earlier and, and mediated a solution. No doubt about it. Uh, I think that, you know, it's great

00:45:19.940 that he expressed himself and let it, you know, let the chips fall where they may. Uh, the solutions

00:45:25.260 are longstanding and would have begun with if Trump were, uh, actually his policies of America first,

00:45:31.940 we wouldn't have been engaged at all and neither would Ukraine. Uh, so, uh, so we're, we're talking

00:45:39.780 about a man who's complicated. He is bright as hell. Uh, he is a guy who can land rockets on their tail

00:45:46.140 and no other American has ever done that or anyone else in the world for that matter. Uh, so he deserves

00:45:53.020 some respect and he is, yes, I, I agree. He is really doing great things. Uh, he's restoring people

00:46:01.440 who've been blackballed. He is revealing the full extent of the collaboration, the corruption

00:46:06.940 and collaboration between our government and Twitter. Uh, the role of Michelle Obama,

00:46:14.040 but that was fascinating. Let me finish. Let me finish this. Just this doctor. And to have Michelle

00:46:22.400 Obama be the principal catalyst and agent to shut down the president of the United States, which they

00:46:29.820 dutifully, uh, uh, and obsequiously did. Uh, I, I mean, we're looking at rancid corruption within

00:46:36.860 Twitter is he said, uh, it's a business and it's a crime scene. Uh, it's social media and it's a crime

00:46:44.060 scene and I give him great credit for it. And I think everyone, I'm not suggesting anyone sit there and

00:46:49.660 salute him, but I am saying that clear eyed and, uh, fair, uh, fair minded people should be looking to say,

00:46:57.020 this is a man, the world's richest who no longer is, uh, who is doing great things in the interest,

00:47:04.220 the shared interest of free speech. Uh, and as, uh, you know, um, a person of the media, uh, I, I prize

00:47:11.340 that greatly. And now your point. Oh, uh, my point is, uh, from my point of view, I'm watchfully waiting. Um,

00:47:25.500 you know, for instance, I'm, I'm glad that the disclosures have happened, uh, with Matt Tabe,

00:47:33.100 um, uh, in, and others. I'm, I'm now let me be clear about that too. Matt Tabe was handed all of

00:47:40.420 the material from Twitter from, and it was, and it was very wise as well. They both very, yeah,

00:47:45.900 Barry and, and, um, Tabe received information, which, uh, Mr. Musk had been unaware had been vetted by Jim

00:47:57.100 Baker. Um, now over the weekend on Sunday, uh, Mr. Musk has invited, uh, my colleague, Jay Bhattacharya

00:48:05.700 in to evaluate what has happened with the COVID material and the COVID information. And, uh, and this

00:48:13.340 time, uh, Jim Baker is no longer, uh, in the information loop. So, uh, I, I, I'm cautiously

00:48:23.100 optimistic, uh, watchfully hopeful, uh, but, um, uh, slightly cynical, uh, based on everything that

00:48:33.320 I've seen over the last three years. And in particular, and in your case, it's been decades.

00:48:38.540 Uh, so, um, that's, that's all my point about the Twitter story is it's complex, it's multifaceted,

00:48:47.060 and there are multiple interests at play here, uh, including, uh, absolutely the interests of the

00:48:55.000 government. Elon Musk in a sense is in a similar position to J Edgar Hoover or to whoever holds the

00:49:03.540 Epstein black book. He's in a position to, uh, negotiate with the government. Um, and as I

00:49:13.200 recall, it was Janet Yellen that was, uh, uh, rattling the saber of antitrust, uh, only a week

00:49:21.240 before these disclosures started dropping. So I, I just speculate that, um, there are wheels within

00:49:28.560 wheels here that are more complex than certainly I have the ability to disambiguate. And I'm,

00:49:37.180 I'm just carefully watching, uh, to, to see how this little Kabuki passion play moves out. Um, 0.87

00:49:45.140 because I don't think we're anywhere close to the end game. Well, I could, couldn't agree with you

00:49:50.480 more. And that's one of the reasons you're here because you were one of the few people with the

00:49:55.360 knowledge, uh, and the courage, uh, to speak straightforwardly about what you see, uh, from

00:50:03.120 your perspective as, uh, as a highly respected, uh, uh, medical professional, uh, physician,

00:50:10.660 uh, and researcher. It's now, as we look at all of that is unfolding before us, I would just

00:50:17.560 use one word. I don't think you're particularly cynical. I do think that you are, uh, uh, bright

00:50:24.040 and skeptical. And one of the many reasons that I respect you, uh, and our, and this audience does,

00:50:31.300 but as we look at, uh, Elon Musk, uh, we have to take what we've got in front of us. And right now,

00:50:38.320 what we have in front of us is a man who's making a hell of a difference. And it's a huge upgrade from

00:50:44.620 where we were at a month ago. It's right now. I mean, think about this. Here is a man who is the

00:50:53.140 wealthiest in the world who's suddenly at the center and the pinnacle of the public consciousness,

00:51:00.200 right at the, at the apex, because he has now so much knowledge, uh, and so much power, uh, certainly

00:51:08.800 that every step he makes, there will be, uh, will reverberate throughout, uh, our society and

00:51:16.620 throughout this country, throughout history. I mean, this, we are living through amazing historical

00:51:23.000 times. I mean, look on the bright side, but I'm of course reminded of the, uh, supposed ancient,

00:51:28.900 uh, Chinese, um, uh, uh, proverb, uh, may you live in interesting times, uh, because we certainly do

00:51:38.320 seem to be, and, and Mr. Musk, uh, you know, I guess another way to look at it is earlier on,

00:51:46.680 we were talking about Mr. Gates and, uh, compare and contrast. I'll take, uh, Mr. Musk hands down

00:51:55.500 on any day. Yeah. You know, I guess I will certainly, so would I in personal preference,

00:52:03.780 but think what a rich nation it is. And I mean, rich in terms of just the, the variety and the

00:52:09.980 value, uh, and the immensity of the talent in this country. We have, we have all of these voices.

00:52:17.880 Suddenly these oligarchs suddenly, you know, they have pulled back the curtain and they are in

00:52:24.560 directly trying to influence and direct our political system. I mean, you name after name,

00:52:31.440 after name, whether it's Gates, whether it's Musk, uh, whether it's George Soros, uh, whomever it may

00:52:37.540 be, Ken Griffin, these are becoming household names. And I think that's a wonderful moment of, uh,

00:52:43.400 maturation for, for, for America. Well, we're seeing who is out there pulling strings and pushing

00:52:51.540 buttons and wish and willing and wishing, uh, uh, our future. Uh, the system has been able to resist

00:52:58.880 that over time. Uh, I think we can do it again, but it's going to take some people with, uh, less

00:53:04.580 patience and more drive, uh, to make certain that this country does not slip into something less than

00:53:10.240 the great Republic it is. Uh, we always give our guests the last word, Dr. Malone, you're concluding

00:53:16.840 thoughts today. Um, I think you've just led into it. We desperately need, uh, our, your listeners,

00:53:28.100 my followers, all of us to think for yourself, get educated, understand about fifth generation

00:53:37.100 warfare, understand about propaganda, understand the role of corporate media, um, in crafting,

00:53:46.300 our belief systems, learn about fifth generation warfare. You are the battleground. The attempt is

00:53:54.260 to control your thoughts and your emotions. And the best way we can resist that and maintain

00:54:01.000 our sovereignty, our integrity, our freedom is for each of us to get educated and think for yourselves.

00:54:09.440 Don't believe what I say, you know, listen to me, listen to Lou, listen to everybody, but own that

00:54:16.760 you have the responsibility to think for yourself and to, um, do everything you can to protect the

00:54:25.780 future that you want your children to live in. Because otherwise these globalist, um, extremely high

00:54:34.260 net worth individuals are going to put your children in the position of being indentured servants.

00:54:40.440 And it's kind of the final game here. It's the time that we all have to stand up and,

00:54:48.700 and fight if we want to be independent. And if we want our children to live in a world,

00:54:54.800 anything like the one that we've enjoyed.

00:54:56.620 Well said. Dr. Robert Malone, we thank you for being with us again. Always great to talk with you.

00:55:03.200 I've enjoyed it immensely. Uh, and I, I look forward to our next discussion and thank you for all you're

00:55:09.380 doing to raise the, the body of public, uh, public knowledge, uh, because we, we don't have, uh, much,

00:55:20.500 much longer, I believe, uh, to, uh, to win this, uh, this great battle. Well, I'm just following in

00:55:27.400 the footsteps and standing in the shoulders of giants like yourself, Lou. So thank you for all

00:55:32.000 you've done for decades to kind of break the ground here. Thanks everybody for being with us. If you want

00:55:38.000 to send your thoughts about today's show subjects and guests, our email is Lou at Lou Dobbs.com.

00:55:45.180 That's Lou at Lou Dobbs.com. And to follow me on Twitter and truth social, go to at Lou Dobbs.

00:55:53.500 That's at Lou Dobbs on Twitter and truth social. Tomorrow, our guest is Congressman Greg Stubbe,

00:55:59.920 great American. He's in the fight to drain the swamp and to save the Republic as the Republicans

00:56:05.980 battle the rhinos for leadership of the house GOP conference and ultimately the speakership. 0.97

00:56:12.360 Congressman Greg Stubbe here with us tomorrow. Please join us until then. Thank you. God bless you.

00:56:19.340 And may God bless America.

The Great America Show - December 14, 2022

DR. ROBERT MALONE SAYS FLATLY NO ONE SHOULD GET mRNA VACCINES： THEY’RE NOT EFFECTIVE AND THEY’RE NOT SAFE

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