The Great America Show - ELECT TRUMP FOR PEACE

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00:00:33.760 Hello, everybody. Welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you with us.

00:00:38.180 The Supreme Court this week started oral arguments on the important case Fisher v. United States,

00:00:44.940 where a group of January 6th prisoners of war hostages are challenging the government's gross abuse of power of overcharging these political prisoners.

00:00:55.900 The charge they are challenging is U.S. Statute 1512C2, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding.

00:01:05.580 It's a charge that many legal scholars say is way over the top and should never have been a charge against those January 6ers with that statute.

00:01:17.600 It's a charge that in itself could bring 20 years in prison.

00:01:22.840 Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch said in chambers this week he's skeptical of the charge.

00:01:28.860 And in point of fact, well, let's listen to it.

00:01:33.440 Challenging the Marxist Dems Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar.

00:01:38.960 If I might.

00:01:40.180 So what does that mean for the breadth of this statute?

00:01:45.680 Would a sit-in that disrupts a trial or access to a federal courthouse qualify?

00:01:52.340 Would a heckler in today's audience qualify or at the State of the Union address would pulling a fire alarm before a vote qualify for 20 years in federal prison?

00:02:07.120 There are multiple elements of the statute that I think might not be satisfied by those hypotheticals.

00:02:12.260 And it relates to the point I was going to make to the Chief Justice about the breadth of this statute.

00:02:16.000 The kind of built-in limitations are the things that I think would potentially suggest that many of those things wouldn't be something the government could charge or prove as 1512C2, beyond a reasonable doubt,

00:02:26.820 would include the fact that the Actis Reis does require obstruction, which we understand to be a meaningful interference.

00:02:32.740 So that means that if you have some minor disruption or delay or some minimal outburst, we don't think it falls within the Actis Reis.

00:02:39.160 My outbursts require the court to reconvene after the proceeding has been brought back into line or the pulling of the fire alarm,

00:02:53.560 the vote has to be rescheduled, or the protest outside of a courthouse makes it inaccessible for a period of time.

00:03:03.320 Are those all federal felonies subject to 20 years in prison?

00:03:06.420 So with some of them, it would be necessary to show nexus.

00:03:09.760 So with respect to the protest outside the courthouse, we'd have to show that, yes, they were aiming at the proceeding.

00:03:14.620 Yeah, they were trying to stop the proceeding.

00:03:16.360 Yes, and then we'd also have to be able to prove that they acted corruptly, and this sets a stringent mens rea.

00:03:21.620 It's not even just the mere intent to obstruct.

00:03:23.740 We have to show that also, but we have to show that they had corrupt intent in acting in that way.

00:03:28.480 We went around that tree yesterday.

00:03:30.000 I know, I heard the argument yesterday, but I guess what I would say is that to the extent that your hypotheticals are pressing on the idea of a peaceful protest,

00:03:38.860 even one that's quite disruptive, it's not clear to me that the government would be able to show that each of those protesters had corrupt intent.

00:03:45.340 Protests that actually obstructs and impedes an official proceeding for an indefinite period would not be covered.

00:03:53.080 Not necessarily.

00:03:53.980 We would just have to have the evidence of intent, and that's a high thought.

00:03:57.060 They intend to do it all right.

00:03:59.820 As you see, the Biden Department of Justice folks aren't exactly the brightest.

00:04:04.580 The solicitor general simply had no reasonable response or direct response to any of Gorsuch's questions, and that's not good if you're the solicitor general.

00:04:15.800 The sit-ins at the hearings, the confirmation hearings of Brett Kavanaugh, or the pulling of a fire alarm to delay a vote by Congressman Bowman,

00:04:25.300 or the mostly peaceful protest during the Black Lives Matter Summer of Love.

00:04:30.660 These Marxist Dems don't get it, or if they do, they just ignore it.

00:04:36.140 They're openly and outright lawless, and hopefully the Supreme Court will unanimously reject their Marxist views.

00:04:44.040 And over in the House of Representatives this week, Speaker Mike Johnson, he just can't keep running his mouth this way.

00:04:51.880 There's an old saying from Mark Twain that applies here to Johnson like no other. 0.97

00:04:57.020 It is better, Twain said, to keep your mouth closed and let people think you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

00:05:05.640 Johnson, on CNN with Jake Tapper, where he told Tapper after World War II, America was given the responsibility to be the world police. 0.86

00:05:17.100 Incredible.

00:05:18.500 Here is Johnson.

00:05:20.940 We know what the timetable is.

00:05:22.720 We know the urgency in Ukraine and in Israel.

00:05:24.760 And we are going to stand by Israel, our close ally and dear friend, and we are going to stand for freedom and make sure that Vladimir Putin doesn't march through Europe.

00:05:32.840 These are important responsibilities.

00:05:35.120 A strong America is good for the entire world.

00:05:38.040 Since World War II, really, really, the responsibility for the free world has been shifted onto our shoulders.

00:05:44.120 And we accept that role.

00:05:45.260 We're an exceptional nation.

00:05:46.680 We're the greatest nation on the planet, and we have to act like it.

00:05:49.480 And we have to project to Putin and Xi and Iran and North Korea and anybody else that we will defend freedom.

00:05:56.260 It doesn't mean boots on the ground.

00:05:57.400 We're not the world's policemen.

00:05:58.820 But we're going to do the right thing.

00:06:00.300 And I think the Congress is going to take an important stand here. 1.00

00:06:02.400 This man is an utter fool, this Mike Johnson. 0.99

00:06:05.600 He has long overstayed as Speaker of the House. 1.00

00:06:09.100 That's about to change.

00:06:10.180 And joining us now is Eli David, and a terrific person he is, and he's also a great patriot.

00:06:21.740 I just want to say to you, first and foremost, this is a moment of extreme suspense for the Israelis as well as for the Iranians and the region.

00:06:33.120 Give us your sense of where Israel will go in terms of its next actions.

00:06:41.140 First of all, great to be here, Lou.

00:06:43.500 Indeed, just a few days ago, all of us were awake at 3 a.m. in the morning as hundreds of missiles, drone, ballistic missiles were launched towards us.

00:06:57.060 Now, if and how Israel will respond, we will all have to, I guess, wait and see in the next few days.

00:07:03.560 But just the precedent of the leading terrorist sponsoring country in the region, in the world, maybe, daring to launch hundreds of missiles at Israel is something that cannot go without response.

00:07:20.680 If it goes without response, even if we manage to intercept almost all of them, it will be normalizing this.

00:07:29.080 Just like Hamas was firing rockets in Israel for years, and we ignored that because we were intercepting them, and we saw how it ended on October 7th.

00:07:37.680 This will end up even worse.

00:07:40.360 So I think there should be a massive response, and I hope there will be.

00:07:45.720 A massive response.

00:07:47.520 I have to say I could not imagine Prime Minister Netanyahu not responding like you.

00:07:54.980 I'm agreeing, I guess, I guess the questions are now, what is the calculus of that response?

00:08:03.720 What are the counter responses by Iran, all of the terrorist groups that it sponsors, 0.68

00:08:12.880 and some in the region who seem to be asserting themselves, whether it be Erdogan and Turkey,

00:08:21.400 whether it be various smaller states coming to the aid of the great Satan, Iran?

00:08:31.940 One thing we learned on that night, on Saturday evening, is that whatever Iran develops, it will use them. 0.97

00:08:43.780 In violation of international sanctions, they developed ballistic missiles, they fired over 100 of them.

00:08:51.080 They developed cruise missiles, they fired about 100 of them.

00:08:55.580 They developed suicide drones, they fired several hundred of them.

00:09:00.420 So we all know what's next when they manage to complete the development of nuclear weapons.

00:09:06.460 There is no doubt after what happened this week.

00:09:09.840 Of course, there are players, some of them in the region, that are overtly allies with Israel.

00:09:16.800 Some of them behind the scenes are allies with Israel.

00:09:20.320 And some of them are just trying to appease Iran or are afraid of Iran.

00:09:24.160 But I cannot imagine any country in the region that will be happy to have the foremost terrorism sponsor of the world develop nuclear weapons. 0.56

00:09:35.280 Let me turn to those allies of Israel, which are, let me start with, first of all,

00:09:46.540 is Saudi Arabia being rational in this and in point of fact, perhaps quiescent, but at least supportive of Israel?

00:09:54.600 There are, and according to the published reports, the Saudi Arabia Air Force actively assisted the allies, Israel, U.S., U.K., to intercept Iranian missiles.

00:10:10.260 Biden got credit for helping Israel, but I think an even larger credit that is due is to Donald Trump and Jared Kushner and the Abraham Accords.

00:10:21.480 What we saw on that night, the cooperation of almost all Arab countries, the Western so-called Arab countries,

00:10:32.300 is a direct result of Abraham Accords, that all of them worked together.

00:10:37.060 And one of the articles within Abraham Accords was exactly this intelligence and military cooperation we saw in the region.

00:10:46.020 And, you know, that's no longer even hidden.

00:10:51.540 Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf countries, they're all afraid of Iranian actions, 0.74

00:10:57.720 and they all actively assisted Israel on that night.

00:11:00.840 And the degree to which people are ignoring, at least in the West, and particularly the United States, particularly in Europe,

00:11:09.120 the threat that Iran poses to the Arab states, the Gulf region, 0.96

00:11:14.920 it certainly does not amount to anything they see as reportable.

00:11:21.860 And I'm talking about both Europe again and the United States.

00:11:26.280 They seem to see this as a one-off situation with the Biden regime demanding that Netanyahu and Israel unilaterally have a ceasefire with Hamas,

00:11:40.260 that unilaterally they make the decision not, that Israel make the decision not to retaliate against that outrageous,

00:11:50.100 unprecedented attack on Israel again.

00:11:56.980 The only thing different is it's this time the attack is direct and it is massive in terms of the firepower brought against the state of Israel.

00:12:06.600 And yet we have an administration here that is decidedly one-sided in its judgments about what they can do.

00:12:17.480 There has been no statement to Iran by this White House, this regime, to suggest what they should do going forward.

00:12:27.820 But that advice flows freely, of course, to Israel.

00:12:32.440 Your thoughts?

00:12:34.320 Now, Winston Churchill said,

00:12:36.000 An appeaser is someone who feeds a crocodile, hoping it would eat him last.

00:12:40.260 And that's exactly the behavior of the Western world right now.

00:12:43.680 And another parallel in history is Neville Chamberlain and Hitler in 1940, 0.70

00:12:51.380 when he just appeased him and succumbed to his demands and Hitler took part of Czechoslovakia.

00:12:57.840 And just for the sake of peace, we should not retaliate.

00:13:01.400 It ended in the worst war the humanity has ever seen.

00:13:05.420 And that's my biggest fear.

00:13:08.600 If we don't stop it right now and he would say, well, we would like short-term peace.

00:13:14.260 It's not peace, short-term quiet.

00:13:16.300 We will be sacrificing the future and we will get to the war. 0.76

00:13:20.820 We will get to a much nastier war.

00:13:23.000 And at that point, it will involve maybe many more countries, many more lives lost.

00:13:28.160 And it can deteriorate into a complete regional war if we don't stop it right now.

00:13:33.740 And we can do that.

00:13:35.160 And that's my big concern.

00:13:36.600 The Western countries right now, they don't look like they're inclined to stop it.

00:13:42.360 They're actually, you know, when Biden said they don't,

00:13:45.820 now we see that they actually refer to Israel and not to Iran.

00:13:49.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:51.520 Exactly.

00:13:52.100 And we're going to take up Eli David's thoughts on the other players exterior to the region,

00:14:01.820 but with massive, massive potential influence on the events to come, namely China and Russia.

00:14:09.200 We'll be right back.

00:14:10.220 We're talking with Eli David.

00:14:12.020 Stay with us.

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00:15:47.200 We're back.

00:15:50.420 We're talking with Eli and David live from Israel.

00:15:53.340 And I want to start, as I suggested before the break, with your views about the role of China and Russia in whatever events may be next in line in this confrontation between Iran and Israel.

00:16:13.140 Now, one of the biggest risks for the world is a weak U.S.

00:16:20.980 The moment U.S. is perceived as strong, nobody dares to mess with other countries.

00:16:30.140 Russia wouldn't have attacked Ukraine.

00:16:32.080 Iran certainly wouldn't have launched hundreds of missiles.

00:16:36.380 And I think even Hamas wouldn't have dared perpetrate October 7th massacre. 0.51

00:16:41.120 But now that in the eyes of the axis of evil, the U.S. is viewed as less strong and less determined to stand up for its values, we see the regional conflicts getting out of control almost everywhere.

00:17:01.400 We see Russia and Ukraine. 0.84

00:17:03.300 We see now Iran is daring to do something we would have never thought they would dare. 0.98

00:17:07.360 And I won't be surprised if we see China also taking action there, because all of them look at the U.S. is not willing to take action.

00:17:17.260 So if the chief sheriff of the Western world is not willing to intervene, each country thinks that they can do whatever they want.

00:17:26.680 And so far, nobody's stopping them.

00:17:28.680 And to me, it's an interesting seeming contradiction as the Biden administration, which has the worst foreign policy record and strategies in since certainly Jimmy Carter, perhaps beyond Jimmy Carter.

00:17:47.760 I can't, for the life of me, understand where they have the arrogance to suggest to the sovereign state of Israel to suggest they were ordering Bibi Netanyahu and the Israelis to cease fire, then to not retaliate.

00:18:05.500 Have you ever, I cannot recall a time in which we've seen such arrogance from even powerful and talented leadership in the United States and with this administration, powerful and bright and accomplished, they're not.

00:18:25.660 The only time previously that the US administration demanded that Israel would not actively defend itself was during the first Iraq war, when Saddam sent missiles in Israel.

00:18:39.680 But back then, the message was different.

00:18:41.820 Essentially, the George Bush administration told Israel, you don't intervene.

00:18:46.460 We will deal with it.

00:18:48.020 We are fighting it.

00:18:49.740 We will get things done.

00:18:51.280 This time, it's different.

00:18:52.400 This time, they're saying it, you don't intervene, you don't do anything, and we won't do anything.

00:18:58.380 Just ignore that.

00:19:00.160 And the preposterous saying statement of Biden to Netanyahu was, just take the victory and don't respond.

00:19:09.620 It's like my neighbor throws a few hundred grenades in my backyard.

00:19:15.660 I wake up in the morning.

00:19:17.440 Luckily, me and my children are not injured.

00:19:19.480 So I said, hey, it's great.

00:19:21.260 I will just take the victory.

00:19:22.400 And I will not respond.

00:19:23.480 It is absolutely that absurd what this administration said.

00:19:30.860 But not only in that instance, but throughout in apparently trying to take over the Israeli government.

00:19:40.120 Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jewish member of the US government, telling Israel to call elections.

00:19:51.020 I mean, the arrogance of these Marxist Dems has become overbearing and, frankly, appalling to, I think, nearly all Americans.

00:20:02.620 Definitely. 0.89

00:20:04.100 Now that regarding Chuck Schumer's ridiculous interference, the Israeli minister of diaspora, he had a good comment. 0.94

00:20:14.560 He said, well, Chuck, as a Jewish person, you are more than welcome to immigrate to Israel and become an Israeli citizen.

00:20:21.580 And then you can run for office here.

00:20:24.060 But until then, please do not interfere in our internal politics.

00:20:28.580 That was crazy.

00:20:29.460 I don't think Chuck Schumer would have dared interfere in the internal politics of UK or Germany or France or any other country, let alone one of the closest allies of the US.

00:20:40.920 Yeah, it is remarkable to me, condescension, as well as arrogance on the part of Schumer in particular, because he is Jewish and a very important representative of the United States government.

00:20:55.560 Number, well, I'm going to say number four in the line of succession.

00:21:00.940 This gets to be really a monstrous period where we are watching an outright attack on Israel with ballistic missiles, as well as guided missiles and rockets and drones.

00:21:13.720 And somehow people have decided that because you have the most effective air defense systems in the world, that it's not an event that requires response.

00:21:28.900 It is mind-boggling to see the attitudes that are being expressed by the United States.

00:21:35.020 By the way, I think the Republicans have been altogether too quiet.

00:21:38.380 I'm not going to give them any pats on the back here for the Israeli support that they've shown, because, frankly, they've been relatively quiet.

00:21:51.480 And, luckily, we have a strong leader, and you just mentioned him, President Donald Trump, who is the leader of the Republican Party.

00:22:00.360 But those below him and beyond, out to the fringes of the party, have said almost nothing of merit or import.

00:22:10.160 You're thinking.

00:22:11.080 The credit to President Trump is that he's not only on the right side of moral issues, but he's never afraid to express his opinion clearly and bravely.

00:22:27.640 And it doesn't look like he cares whether the audience likes to hear that or not.

00:22:32.720 He just says what he thinks.

00:22:34.560 And I just wish more leaders, not just in America, in the Western world, would clearly express their minds.

00:22:43.620 We see that the senior leaders, even conservatives in some of the Western European countries, they are on the same thought.

00:22:52.860 They are afraid of the jihadist expansion in their own countries.

00:22:57.020 They know that what's happening in Israel will happen there, too.

00:23:01.580 But they're not speaking their mind, not to alienate some of their voters, maybe, or the media or the journalists.

00:23:09.300 That's crazy.

00:23:10.900 Yeah.

00:23:11.200 They seem lacking in so many ways with so many of our politicians, lacking anything approaching both principle and guts.

00:23:20.000 We're talking with Eli and David, live from Israel.

00:23:22.920 We're coming right back after these quick messages.

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00:23:58.740 We're back.

00:24:04.800 We're talking with Eli, David, live from Israel.

00:24:08.040 And again, Eli, we just want to say thank you for your time.

00:24:11.340 Thanks for all you do.

00:24:13.700 And I want to get to the point, I guess, as we're concluding here.

00:24:19.480 Where does this go?

00:24:22.320 How does it end?

00:24:23.520 I'm asking a lot, but if anyone can answer that, I think you have certainly the most likely chance of succeeding.

00:24:31.840 It can end in either of the following two cases.

00:24:38.020 Either Israel will resolutely complete the war with a decisive victory so that it would send a message to all the jihadists that you cannot just one day massacre people and get out of this successfully or get out of this alive. 0.77

00:24:56.860 And it will be a lesson for them for maybe decades to come.

00:25:02.480 Or Israel will cave under pressure from its Western friends and it would just reach some kind of ceasefire or anything that is short of total victory.

00:25:16.880 And that would send a dangerous message to all the terrorists and terrorist sponsoring countries that you can commit massacres. 0.52

00:25:26.180 You can kill people in the Western countries and there will be some fight, but you will be OK out of that.

00:25:33.260 One of these two outcomes, one of them will bring peace and stability to the Western countries.

00:25:39.620 The other one will be terrifying.

00:25:41.540 I really hope it will be the first and not the second.

00:25:44.100 Yeah, and it's interesting when we hear the Marxist Dems, this Biden regime say that Ukraine is defending democracy in its war with Russia, but they don't say the same thing about Israel in the Middle East, where Israel is the only democracy.

00:26:04.460 Absolutely.

00:26:06.020 Israel is what stands against the expansion of jihad to the whole Western world.

00:26:12.700 We are at the forefront right now.

00:26:14.940 But as we can see, the terror is not limited to Israel.

00:26:18.260 It will expand.

00:26:19.400 And the more daring they are and the more they think they're succeeding, they will export it and we will see more terror attacks in the Western countries.

00:26:28.640 Again, back to Churchill's comment on appeaser and the crocodile.

00:26:32.040 And advice well worth everyone remembering.

00:26:39.360 And it's a good thing that we, you know, in point of fact, as you said that, I have been saying of late that there is no doubt in my mind in this tumultuous period in which we all live,

00:26:51.360 that there is no doubt in this tumultuous period in this tumultuous period in this tumultuous period in this tumultuous period.

00:26:57.500 This is 1939.

00:26:59.160 I don't know what happens in 1940, but this is our 1939.

00:27:04.100 And without any question whatsoever, without reservation, I say that President Donald Trump is our Churchill.

00:27:13.160 The United States does not have another leader in either party from any walk of life who could stand up with his strength, his vision, his intelligence and his resolve as a leader.

00:27:26.600 He is Churchillian and he is the man for this moment.

00:27:31.760 And I happen to believe we're going to be, we're going to have a new leadership in place in January of 2025.

00:27:44.060 And we will all be the better for it.

00:27:47.700 Eli, David, we're always the better for listening to you and getting your insight and analysis.

00:27:53.040 And we always thank you, as we do now, for being with us and taking the time to talk to us.

00:27:59.440 Thanks, Eli, David.

00:28:00.780 God bless you.

00:28:02.600 Thank you, Luke.

00:28:04.020 And thanks to Eli, David, coming to us today live from Israel.

00:28:08.920 He is a remarkable man, remarkably accomplished and one very bright fellow, as you just learned.

00:28:17.100 Thank you for being with us.

00:28:18.600 God bless you and God bless America.

The Great America Show - April 22, 2024

ELECT TRUMP FOR PEACE

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