The Great America Show - ENDLESS OBSESSION： JEFFREY CLARK SAYS THERE’S NEVER BEEN A PAST PRESIDENT LIKE TRUMP WHO STAYS IN THE NEWS LIKE HE’S STILL IN OFFICE

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show. Welcome.

00:00:05.000 We're coming to you from that undisclosed location again today. Great to have you with us.

00:00:10.020 And there is good news. The social media giant Meta, on Facebook and Instagram,

00:00:16.480 decided to reinstate President Trump. The President of the United States denied his

00:00:22.940 social media accounts for two years. Mark Zuckerberg banned President Trump to keep him off

00:00:30.060 social media, along with Twitter, and shocked the nation in doing so. Now, President Trump can once

00:00:36.920 again entertain and inform the nation on social media. Elon Musk restoring the President's Twitter

00:00:43.460 account two months ago. It's still unclear when and whether he will return to Twitter,

00:00:48.980 given his relationship with his own social media platform, Truth Social. It's good to have him

00:00:55.160 back, no matter what. History won't be kind to Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg, titans of tech,

00:01:02.540 but authoritarian tools of big tech and the left. Today, we take up this new Congress and how much

00:01:10.080 work they have to do to help free the country of the left-wing madness of the Biden regime,

00:01:15.880 and they have to figure out how to roll back the regime's policies that have brought in five to

00:01:21.860 six million illegal immigrants, a wide open border that no longer is defended and which is effectively

00:01:28.980 in the control of the Mexican drug cartels, thanks to President Biden. And of course, the incredible

00:01:36.320 Biden document dump. If you're counting, there are now five stashes of highly classified papers

00:01:43.300 and the possibility of a dangerous breach of national security. There have been so many of

00:01:49.220 these top-secret papers spread around that there's no question that Biden is in trouble,

00:01:55.000 considerable trouble. And he had no authority to do any of this. There is no reasonable explanation

00:02:01.580 why he had these documents in his home, his garage, or his Chinese communist-funded think tank,

00:02:07.940 that think tank called the Penn Biden Center, top-secret documents that his personal attorneys

00:02:14.300 liberated from a closet at that center. Again, how did he take those documents out? They were,

00:02:21.600 after all, top-secret and not his. Why did he have the documents there? The circumstances separate

00:02:29.420 Biden from the Trump document case in lots of ways. But first of all, because the documents belong to

00:02:36.900 the president, not the archivist, not the DOJ or FBI or Barack Obama, though the FBI did act as if

00:02:44.920 they did own those documents when they motored into Mar-a-Lago. And you've probably noticed the

00:02:50.440 Department of Justice went radio silent on those documents within just a few days. They knew they

00:02:57.440 were in trouble and big trouble. Joining us now from the Center for Renewing America is Jeff Clark,

00:03:04.060 attorney, former top Justice Department official. And Jeff, great to have you back with us. Good to

00:03:09.840 see you. Let's start with good old Joe and his, it seems, never-ending fondness for lifting top-secret

00:03:16.420 documents that don't belong to him and putting them in places he shouldn't. What do you make of it all?

00:03:23.460 Well, Lou, happy new year. It's great to be here. And I guess I'll just start with you referencing the

00:03:30.080 think tank. I think the real name for the think tank should be the Penn-Biden-China-funded think tank

00:03:36.840 or the Penn-Biden-China-funded launch pad for Biden appointees, because that's also what it seems like

00:03:45.960 it was. So many of the people in his administration in the foreign policy sort of area seem to have some

00:03:53.360 affiliation, including Blinken, with this Penn-Biden Center. Yeah, the Penn-Biden Center, taking large,

00:04:02.260 and when I say large, we're talking $50 million. I mean, I haven't heard of many donations like that

00:04:07.780 to a think tank, especially one as little known and perhaps underappreciated as the Penn-Biden

00:04:16.460 think tank or center, more appropriately. I don't even understand how this could go on,

00:04:24.400 because it is, it looks like a payoff of some sort just on its face. And then to find out it

00:04:31.200 was going on for years, has been going on for years. Right. I mean, I'd like to see legislation,

00:04:38.080 Lou, outlawing our universities from taking money from the Chinese. I mean, you know about these 1.00

00:04:45.460 Confucius Institutes, which, you know, at least there's been some pushback against that. But,

00:04:50.900 you know, if you're a former vice president who's angling to be president, it seems like you get

00:04:57.180 treated in a different way. And, you know, it is facially questionable, right? I mean,

00:05:03.320 you know, what Ivy League school wants to hire Biden to be a professor? I mean, the guy at this

00:05:09.880 point, obviously, and I think has been for a while, you know, is senile and as unfortunate as

00:05:15.540 that is, all else being equal. But, you know, you just hiring somebody like that as a professor is

00:05:22.860 just gobsmacking. It truly is. And there is a little known university up in Cambridge that

00:05:28.980 apparently took some $75 million. I saw that in one account. And it's across the country. It's public

00:05:38.420 universities. It's private. They're buying their way into academia in this country, at the same time

00:05:46.760 running intelligence espionage, if you will, operations. It is they, the Chinese, and there's

00:05:56.420 such little pushback. As you say, the Confucius Institute, we were told there are about a hundred of

00:06:01.400 them. Well, from that first estimate, the number rose. Not only were there in our colleges and

00:06:07.100 universities, but these institutes were in some high schools as well. And there was a reaction and

00:06:13.760 two or three were shut down. I haven't heard a peep about any other Confucius Center being shut down,

00:06:22.820 even though they were clearly the basis for taking intellectual capital, for learning as much as they

00:06:32.860 could, about our trade secrets, whether it's technology or weaponry. It was across and has

00:06:40.320 been across the country in various forms, whether it's Confucius Institutes or whether it is front

00:06:45.860 companies stealing technology by not the fistful, but by hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

00:06:53.780 Absolutely, Lou. I mean, the tech areas of our economy, engineering, and the hard sciences have

00:07:03.600 really been infiltrated by the Chinese. And then they take that know-how and intellectual property 1.00

00:07:09.500 back to China, ripping us off. But then ideologically, with these Confucius Institutes, 0.93

00:07:16.240 right, they're brainwashing students all in the name of kind of, you know, international harmony,

00:07:21.320 even though the Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party are our major enemy and clearly are plotting

00:07:28.680 for our destruction. And it's not that hard to find papers from their thinkers saying that's exactly

00:07:34.040 what their aim is. They're just sapping, you know, digging out the foundations of America from

00:07:39.560 underneath of it. There really should be legislation adopted quickly that would ban this kind of money

00:07:46.260 inflow. And especially, you know, you referred to Harvard obliquely, right? And we have Penn

00:07:50.760 and, you know, Columbia has long been a bastion of the left, but really, really all of them. I mean,

00:07:57.960 the Ivy League universities, especially Harvard and Yale, and then, you know, the Ivy League West of

00:08:03.440 Stanford, their endowments are enormous. They don't need to take this money in. It's all at some level,

00:08:09.900 a kind of, you know, massive greed or massive, you know, they create such a deep pocket that really

00:08:18.260 there can be no competitor. And I just, I don't get it. It makes me ashamed of my alma mater that

00:08:26.400 they engage in these kinds of things. And, you know, my mom had been a secretary at the University

00:08:32.340 of Pennsylvania. And, you know, I'd gotten into UPenn as well as to Harvard and several of the other

00:08:38.580 schools. She was kind of heartbroken when I decided to go to Harvard, especially because then I wouldn't

00:08:43.640 be, you know, closer to Philadelphia. But, you know, I think that if she had lived to see this,

00:08:50.380 she would be very disappointed in Penn, which she had idolized.

00:08:55.020 Yeah, as are lots of people across the country to think of the opportunity that our universities,

00:09:02.720 our colleges provide, young men and women. And to think that this is the way those institutions

00:09:10.720 are behaving. And by the way, when you talk about that, as you very well know, as an alum,

00:09:16.360 Harvard has so much money and it is the richest, wealthiest endowment in the world. And for them to

00:09:25.880 be, I don't know if influence is quite the correct word, but to be taking that money with the obvious

00:09:33.780 implications that there is a trade, a quid pro quo of some sort, otherwise it doesn't happen,

00:09:40.600 it's really difficult because it's something that we've got to contend with across this society,

00:09:45.920 across academia. I want to get to that Penn Biden center again. That the repository of those

00:09:55.580 highest classified documents in the possession of Joe Biden, locked in a closet, and a number of

00:10:04.720 attorneys go in searching for something we don't know what, and we don't know why they were there.

00:10:11.180 But for some reason, they were looking for these documents, at least in part, but they didn't have

00:10:17.000 the classification clearances, the security clearance, to be looking at them. So that's really quite curious.

00:10:25.580 If it were a one-off, I'd say, well, that was legit, as the saying goes. But then they also show up at

00:10:32.920 his residence in Wilmington, again, the same attorneys purportedly, but didn't have, again,

00:10:39.980 security clearances. So they found the documents and then made a phone call. This all sounds highly

00:10:46.680 suspicious to me. Your thoughts, Jeff?

00:10:49.600 So, Lou, I think that raises a very important set of questions. So I had speculated something

00:10:57.480 early on, but since then, I've been seeing counter-speculation. So let me share both

00:11:03.000 speculations with you. And as new information comes out and as time goes on, I think we'll get

00:11:09.300 closer to one or the other, or maybe it's even something nefarious that no one is imagining.

00:11:15.300 So what I was thinking was, look, it seems very strange that this information is located just

00:11:22.360 before midterm elections and is leaked to the press on January 9th, so soon after Congress has changed

00:11:32.900 hands and so soon after the new anti-weaponization of government subcommittee is created in the Judiciary

00:11:39.940 Committee after the House votes in Speaker McCarthy as part of a larger deal. And so I was wondering

00:11:47.460 whether this is something they've known about for some time, right? I think that the Democrats are almost

00:11:54.000 always guilty of exactly what they try to hurl on to Republicans, and oftentimes they hurl it on to Republicans

00:12:00.760 shortly before it comes out what they were doing. So I wonder, I have been wondering whether they've known about

00:12:07.840 this for a while. And so they launched in August the outrageous raid on Mar-a-Lago as a way to

00:12:15.140 basically cancel it out. So they get a whole period in the midterm elections where they can say Trump was

00:12:22.980 hoarding classified documents. They get whatever bang that gives them for the election. Then if it

00:12:28.940 turns out that the House or both houses of the Congress flip and they're going to be investigated,

00:12:35.660 then they come out with, you know, the Biden stuff. And then, you know, the respective two special

00:12:41.500 counsels, Jack Smith for Trump and Robert Herr for Biden, you know, just basically come to a conclusion

00:12:48.260 of, you know, it's not something we're going to prosecute. And then they pretend that everything's

00:12:52.320 even-handed. So that was my early speculation. We'll see, you know, whether information comes out that

00:12:58.860 they did know about this before November 2nd. The other speculation that I've seen, which, you know,

00:13:04.780 I just saw a data point this afternoon about, which was a Time Magazine article by Mona Charan,

00:13:10.860 who, you know, really has kind of become one of these folks like Bill Kristol, who, you know, has come

00:13:16.060 out, you know, as someone who probably never really was a conservative in the first place. But, you know,

00:13:22.940 the article is titled something like, we expected more of Joe Biden. And, you know, I'm just starting to

00:13:30.480 see the knives come out for him about this. And that speculation has been that they're trying to

00:13:37.060 deep six him so he cannot run in 2024. And they have some kind of replacement lined up, whether it's

00:13:43.780 Gavin Newsom or what it is. And so I don't, I think both of those are speculations, but I toss them out

00:13:50.200 for what they're worth. Well, speculation, informed and intelligent speculation is certainly a part of

00:13:59.400 what we do here. And I am delighted, and I think the audience is delighted to hear that informed and

00:14:08.500 intelligent speculation. And I think that there's a great deal to it. And the timing, as you mentioned,

00:14:15.320 the discovery on November 2nd, just less, what, six days before the election, well, that was peculiar

00:14:25.240 timing, wasn't it? And then the notification to the archives, then the call to the Justice Department.

00:14:34.040 And then suddenly, we don't hear any more from them until the 9th of November, the day after the

00:14:40.480 election. There's, one doesn't have to speculate, feel too badly about speculating about what is

00:14:47.060 obvious. They waited until after that election was over for this thing to gin up without any question,

00:14:53.480 I think. And I love the reaction of the left. Well, Joe Biden's a nice guy. This is quite different than

00:15:02.000 Trump. Trump's a bad guy. So this is okay for Joe, but it's not a good thing for Donald. And

00:15:10.080 and so with the early reasoning, it's with all of them forgetting a couple of little minor items,

00:15:17.760 like Joe Biden at this time, those documents were taken, if not outright stolen. He was a vice

00:15:24.740 president, didn't have the right to take any highly classified document home, had no right whatsoever to

00:15:31.480 have them in his possession. And yet after six years for some of them, there they are. President Trump

00:15:40.080 as a president is the highest, highest authority on classification can declassify or classify as he

00:15:48.000 will. And, and everyone wants to forget that that's quite a difference and a distinction. And all of the,

00:15:55.720 the, the brain nonsense from the left here is, is pitiful, don't you think?

00:16:03.120 Well, yes, Lou, I, I think I begin with looking hard at the National Archives. And I think the new 0.68

00:16:11.940 weaponization committee, or Comer's oversight committee, or both as they, you know, see fit,

00:16:18.300 you know, should investigate the National Archives, because it seems like, you know, not too long after

00:16:25.380 President Trump left office, they're crawling all over him looking for, for documents. You know,

00:16:32.140 you have stories that the archivist at the time, watched, you know, Trump leave. I think he was

00:16:39.380 headed for, you know, Marine One or something on the White House lawn. And he's got like a white banker's

00:16:45.320 box of documents. And, you know, the, the, the story is that the archivist looks at that. And he's,

00:16:51.980 he says to himself, I wonder what the hell's inside that box? Well, I'm going to find out.

00:16:56.840 So, you know, I kind of like spite. So, so they're all over Trump. But by contrast,

00:17:03.400 you know, the, the Biden VP documents are taken six years ago, and magically, no one at the archives

00:17:10.100 seems to have known any the better, you know, they didn't, they didn't look into it, they didn't try to,

00:17:16.360 you know, rectify whatever their lists were with what documents were actually turned over.

00:17:21.560 And it's a complete double standard. Why is the, the NARA, the National Archives, why are they

00:17:27.160 behaving like that? And it seems like it's because, you know, the, the guy running the archives,

00:17:32.640 you know, is partisan. And he also specifically said he didn't want to leave office when Trump was

00:17:38.460 there because he wanted to make sure that a Democrat would put in the replacement. So it's just,

00:17:43.280 it's, it smells to the high heavens, Lou. And, and it's something I hope the, the new house will

00:17:50.180 penetrate into deeply.

00:17:52.220 And I'm really very hopeful that this, this, these two committees, well, it's actually expanding

00:18:00.340 rather quickly, isn't it? The church committee, the judiciary committee, the oversight committee.

00:18:05.960 These are committees that are run by first class individuals who have a purpose and a,

00:18:11.920 an approach that I really think will pay dividends. I, I, I just have very high expectations. And as I,

00:18:19.680 as, as, as one of some experience, I know better than get high hopes, but this, this, this feels

00:18:27.560 entirely different because of the quality of the people who are spearheading the effort. Your thoughts

00:18:32.580 on that?

00:18:32.960 I agree. You know, here at the Center for Renewing America, where I'm a senior fellow and the director

00:18:39.880 of litigation, we have been calling for a church style committee for a long time. In fact, you know,

00:18:47.540 I was on Tucker's program, but it was guest hosted by Will Kane very shortly after that raid. And,

00:18:56.180 you know, I called for the church style committee there. So, you know, it's, it's, and, and Russ

00:19:02.320 vote, you know, our, our founder and head had been doing the same thing. And so, you know, has been

00:19:08.480 working closely with, with the house members to try to, to get that done. So, you know, we, we're very

00:19:15.840 pleased to see that subcommittee be created. And, you know, we want to see what they can expose. And we

00:19:22.800 think, look, that, that, you know, the judiciary committee, the oversight committee, and the

00:19:27.400 subcommittee in judiciary on the weaponization of government, which is the church style committee,

00:19:32.160 these are all going to be run in fair and above board ways, not like the January 6th committee,

00:19:38.260 where, you know, banks and Jordan were not allowed to be on the committee at the, you know,

00:19:44.100 directive of Nancy Pelosi. You know, they're going to be Democrats on those, that, that subcommittee

00:19:49.520 that keeps everybody honest. And, you know, we can see whether, you know, they can push back

00:19:55.020 against the kinds of inquiries that the majority wants to run. But I'm confident that, that Jim

00:20:01.280 Jordan, for instance, is, he's able to, to question and debate his way through a lot of fog.

00:20:07.800 What happens if Hakeem Jeffries appoints Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell?

00:20:18.360 I mean, there has to be some, there has to be some sort of, uh, of test here, uh, for whoever

00:20:26.260 they put on the, on that committee.

00:20:29.820 Well, it'd be interesting to see if, you know, the, the Kevin McCarthy, et cetera, if they push

00:20:35.540 back, if there are, uh, you know, folks like that who are, who are proposed. But I think even

00:20:41.480 if there are folks like that who are proposed, you know, I, I kind of welcome the scrum. Um, so,

00:20:47.780 you know, I, I, I think that, that Adam Schiff in particular, well, I just said both of them,

00:20:52.940 right? Let's do Adam Schiff and then Swalwell. So first Adam Schiff, right? This guy lied so much

00:20:58.120 about Russiagate that it's not even funny. And he used his sort of, you know, Schiff dungeon in the

00:21:04.540 basement of the Capitol to, you know, take a classified testimony and then come out and

00:21:10.740 purport to say in rough, big terms, what he'd heard when it was all lies, uh, keeping, you know,

00:21:16.480 that fire alight for a long time. And then, as you know, about Swalwell, the guys like, you know,

00:21:22.180 sleeping with a Chinese spy who, when she's discovered, like poof, she's gone from the country. 0.94

00:21:28.040 And, you know, the, the, the Democrats tried to weather that as if there's like nothing to see

00:21:32.560 here when, you know, and we obviously had Dianne Feinstein, obviously she's in the Senate, not in

00:21:37.200 the house, but this is another example, right? Her, her driver's a long time, uh, spy. He's working

00:21:42.680 for her, you know, uh, I forget the precise time period, but I think it was at least more than a

00:21:47.520 decade. I think it was a spy. I mean, it's just outrageous. Yeah. I, I, I think it was about 20 years

00:21:54.080 as I recall, but that's only recall. Uh, and, and I admire your sportsmanship in this, but I have to

00:22:01.240 tell you the thought of listening to Eric Swalwell for five minutes and Adam Schiff lie through, uh, a,

00:22:07.420 a, just a greeting would be to me too much to bear. So I hope that they, I hope that, that McCarthy 0.84

00:22:16.000 and Jeffries, uh, put together something of a better relationship and a result here. I let's,

00:22:23.280 let's turn to also the Wilmington home where documents were discovered, uh, in the garage.

00:22:30.140 We find out that there are now some questions about Hunter Biden who had access to the home

00:22:34.660 at least in two, uh, two years. He was, he said paying $49,000 a month for rent, which, uh, you know,

00:22:42.920 that's a terrific thing. I, I, I would welcome, uh, all our, are you ready, babe? I'm, I would welcome

00:22:50.220 back all of our children at $50,000 a month to take any room they wish. What do you make of it?

00:22:58.960 Yeah, that's, that's a pretty funny observation. Yeah. That's clearly not market rate, but it's

00:23:03.300 much like, you know, uh, Hunter Biden, the new artists selling paintings for half a million dollars.

00:23:08.420 Um, you know, this, the, the, the fact that these kinds of things aren't even being investigated

00:23:14.740 is, is, uh, is mind blowing. And, and look, you know, you would think actually with these documents

00:23:21.040 being found, uh, you know, in the garage somewhere at the Wilmington home and then in, uh, you know,

00:23:28.020 like filing cabinets or something nearby inside the house that, you know, the, the, uh, the U.S.

00:23:34.120 attorney in Delaware might be the first one to be involved. Uh, but, um, you know, that seems not to

00:23:41.460 be the case, I think, because they realize, right, there's only so much weight they can put on that

00:23:45.580 guy because he's the guy who seems like he's been assigned to keep a lid on, uh, Hunter Biden, you know,

00:23:52.300 to come up with something, uh, but not too much because, you know, not, not to get into foreign

00:23:57.720 corruption, but to deal with, you know, smaller time, uh, charges like his, his tax returns. And,

00:24:04.520 you know, I think that, that look, both of the, uh, the, uh, U.S. attorneys or former U.S. attorneys

00:24:11.260 who have been tapped by, uh, the attorney general currently to look at, um, the, uh, Biden related

00:24:20.140 issues. So first it was John Lausch, the U.S. attorney in the Northern district of Illinois,

00:24:25.060 Chicago, who's a former law partner of mine. And then second, it's, uh, it's Robert Kerr who used

00:24:31.800 to be the U.S. attorney in Maryland, um, you know, to be the special counsel. I mean, both of these,

00:24:38.300 uh, guys are really at, at best, even though they were Trump appointees, uh, creatures of the

00:24:45.120 establishment. And John Lausch was the, uh, only other holdover from the, uh, Trump U.S. attorneys

00:24:52.160 other than, uh, the one in Delaware that I was averting to, who's looking into Hunter Biden.

00:24:58.060 Um, and so, you know, both, both of them, I think, you know, they're, Garland, AG Garland

00:25:05.020 is looking for someone who can provide, you know, a patina of, uh, Republican respectability

00:25:12.260 as it were, or at least, you know, a little, little bit of protection in that regard, right?

00:25:17.140 He hasn't picked one of the, uh, the, the hard gunner, uh, Democrats is trying to pick

00:25:23.020 someone who looks like a Republican, but I don't think that either of them, and I know

00:25:27.420 both of them really are, you know, hardcore conservatives. So I don't think the American

00:25:32.160 people should, uh, expect that someone who, who, you know, really, uh, would give, you know,

00:25:38.520 super thorough look at, uh, Biden, um, in this, you know, document situation are really gonna,

00:25:45.060 uh, turn over all leaves. Let's put it that way.

00:25:49.580 Yeah. Let me put it, let me put it in, in Dobbs speak. They're left-wing hacks, aren't they?

00:25:58.140 Well, I mean, I, I've had conversations with John Lausch, um, and he and I work closely on some

00:26:05.160 major litigation together, like probably the largest multi-district litigation in U.S.

00:26:10.080 history. Um, and, you know, I had a little bit of interaction with Robert Herr. I mean,

00:26:14.820 they didn't come across as, as left-wing hacks to me, but they also didn't come across to me as,

00:26:20.160 uh, enthusiastic Trump supporters. So I remember congratulating John. I think his, uh, nomination

00:26:27.420 was announced after mine. Um, you know, uh, and I said something like, it'd be great to serve

00:26:32.740 together in the Trump administration. And all I got was kind of like a flat thanks. Like I didn't

00:26:38.200 get anything like, yeah, I'm, you know, looking forward to, uh, serving the president in Chicago

00:26:43.580 or something like that. So I, I think both of them, they're just, they're, they're very, uh,

00:26:49.900 middle of the road, but I guess maybe as to, as to Robert Herr, you know, who now does have the

00:26:54.840 special counsel job, I have more serious concerns because, you know, the, the IG, uh, had noted that

00:27:02.600 he was involved in the Steele dossier issues. Um, and I don't understand how you can appoint

00:27:09.580 someone under the requirement for the special counsel regulations, in particular section 600.3,

00:27:16.740 who, uh, they have to have a reputation for impartiality. I mean, I think what happened with

00:27:21.220 the Steele dossier should disqualify, disqualify anyone from having a reputation for impartiality.

00:27:27.280 I think it should disqualify any person, uh, from, uh, from frankly, walking the streets. They should

00:27:35.640 be in jail. The effect of the Steele dossier and the way in which it was utilized, uh, was, uh, is a

00:27:43.040 bludgeon against a sitting president with the full knowledge on the part of the FBI and the Department

00:27:47.980 of Justice that it was a pack of lies and pure nonsense. Uh, it was an attempt to frame the

00:27:54.240 president of the United States. I'll go, I, I know I'm a little more, uh, direct than you, uh, but this

00:28:00.440 is, they, these two have to be disqualified as far as I'm concerned for the simple reason that Merrick

00:28:05.840 Garland is the attorney general and he appointed them. Uh, Merrick Garland has the, has the soul,

00:28:11.320 uh, a dark soul. I'll put it that way. So I'll, I'll, uh, you know, I know we've had these

00:28:19.140 kinds of, uh, discussions before, but here, here's what I will say. Um, I think, you know,

00:28:24.140 that, that Robert Herr, he tried to block the Nunes memo in January of 2018. And, you know,

00:28:30.680 he claimed there'd be damage to national security, uh, from that, but I think quite the contrary,

00:28:35.820 the damage to national security was relying on, you know, this MI6, uh, guy, Steele and Danchenko's

00:28:43.180 lies in the first place. Right. And, you know, it was all based on this idea of the Russians were 0.79

00:28:50.100 trying to influence the election. Even the Washington Post at this point has admitted that

00:28:54.500 the Russian bots, you know, were dropping the bucket. They had like nil impact on the 2016 election.

00:29:00.180 It was always a farce, um, you know, during this, this same. Well, it was, it was, I'm sorry to

00:29:06.560 interrupt you, Jeff, but it was a farce, but it was a farce perpetrated as a fraud on the American

00:29:12.780 people. And that's quite a different, uh, I think quite a different statement. Uh, would you agree

00:29:19.780 with that? I would agree that it was a farce that was, uh, perpetrated on the American people and,

00:29:25.780 uh, and did them really wrong. And basically was an attempt to deny president Trump his first term,

00:29:31.460 um, by, by always keeping, you know, this, this cloud over his head of somehow he was,

00:29:38.140 you know, a Russian asset, which was ridiculous from the outset. Anyone who had, you know, the 1.00

00:29:44.140 modicum of a brain would have known that that was ridiculous. That it was president Trump who was 0.99

00:29:49.000 pushing to, uh, you know, restore America, wanted to, uh, face off against our biggest adversary,

00:29:55.060 China, you know, wanted to see a return of economic nationalism, wanted to get us out of 0.93

00:30:00.560 foreign wars. Uh, and, and so, you know, the allegation that, that he was just doing Putin's

00:30:05.820 bidding was always silly. Um, and, you know, we, we even have the fact that during this same era at

00:30:11.720 the Justice Department, right, we have an FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, who falsified a FISA

00:30:17.980 affidavit to make it look like, you know, Carter Page, you know, was not, uh, essentially a source for

00:30:24.440 the CIA when he darn well knew that he was, and he pleaded guilty of that. And, you know,

00:30:29.100 that you've got people floating around the, the, the FBI like this. I mean, Clinesmith had texted,

00:30:34.340 you know, vive la resistance in, in response to Trump. Um, he said that the crazies have won

00:30:40.880 finally, this is the tea party on steroids. I mean, no one who is, is sending texts around who's an FBI

00:30:48.600 employee like this, not serving their boss, the commander in chief, the chief executive of the

00:30:54.860 United States should be in office. It's a disgrace. Yeah. Jeff, when it comes to Clinesmith, let's be

00:31:01.060 very, again, very direct. John Durham was appointed by Bill Barr to create immunity for Clinesmith,

00:31:10.420 uh, and he did a very good job of it. And so far he hasn't won a thing. He hasn't uncovered a thing,

00:31:18.600 uh, and there is no resolution in sight. The man is running out the game and while providing cover

00:31:26.700 for the deep state. Am I, what do you think of my conclusion there on that? I mean, you know, if,

00:31:34.320 if you follow, uh, the good Lord's, uh, statement in various gospels that, you know, you judge a tree

00:31:40.460 by its fruits, um, you know, it's, it's hard to argue with that. Right. I mean, you know, so Clinesmith

00:31:46.820 did plead guilty. Um, and I believe he, uh, lost his license at least for a time in Michigan, but,

00:31:53.840 you know, he's still up on the DC bar website, uh, as in good standing, um, you know, so, so soon after

00:32:00.240 having pled guilty, you know, meanwhile, for wanting to investigate the election, you know,

00:32:05.360 the DC bar is still coming after me. So, you know, that contrast is pretty striking to me,

00:32:10.220 even at a personal level. Um, as it should be, I mean, it should be, it should also be disgusting to

00:32:16.700 us all that this is, uh, the way in which the department of justice so-called, uh, pursues its

00:32:24.100 ideological enemies, because that is the only explanation they view every Republican, every conservative,

00:32:29.720 as an enemy of the state. When in point of fact, in my view, uh, the deep state and the Marxist

00:32:36.480 Dems are truly the enemy of, or the enemies of the Republic. I want to turn, if we may, uh, to, 0.71

00:32:44.320 to the, as we, as we conclude here, to where we go from here. We have two special councils appointed,

00:32:52.320 uh, a former, uh, a former president, a current president and former vice president,

00:32:58.660 two quite different cases, two special councils, an attorney general who is appallingly ideological,

00:33:07.720 uh, and, uh, unworthy of the office he holds, a president who's impaired. And we now have Adam

00:33:16.580 Schiff, uh, talking about the effort to the speculation that, uh, that it's, he's, he's reached

00:33:23.500 the end of his road, according to the Follett Bureau of the Marxist Dem Party. Uh, where do we go from

00:33:29.500 here? Well, I think that, uh, people need to continue to put pressure on their, uh, on their

00:33:38.760 own representatives to get to the bottom of all of this, Lou, in an honest way, right? I mean, we know

00:33:43.780 that the January 6th committee was a one-sided operation that operated as a star chamber. They're

00:33:50.740 still keeping hundreds and hundreds of depositions locked away. Those all need to come out as the,

00:33:57.420 the documents that were provided in the process and the videos, and especially the 14,000 hours of,

00:34:03.520 uh, security footage around the Capitol on January 6th, all that needs to come out. And I think,

00:34:08.880 you know, uh, your listeners need to keep pressing for that. I think that, uh, you know,

00:34:14.320 for anyone who's listening to you, who's still listening to, you know, CNN and, uh, the, um,

00:34:21.660 and MSNBC, et cetera, or really taking the times and the Washington Post seriously, you know,

00:34:28.280 they need to broaden their, uh, their media input, um, and, and stop listening to the, to the fake

00:34:33.560 media. And then, you know, we, we have to watch carefully what emerges from the oversight process

00:34:40.140 and the oversight committee, the judiciary committee, and the, uh, the judiciary subcommittee,

00:34:46.360 the church style committee. I think those are going to be, those are going to be vital. And,

00:34:50.660 uh, we can't let up on that, on that pressure.

00:34:55.800 Jeff, thanks for being with us. Uh, I I'm going to, uh, if you have a concluding thought,

00:35:01.760 we always give you the last word. Uh, why don't you give us your concluding thoughts about the,

00:35:07.540 where we are now? And, uh, uh, and, uh, let me say it's always great to have you with us and

00:35:14.180 thanks for joining us. Well, I always enjoy, uh, uh, talking with you about these issues. You're very,

00:35:21.120 uh, you know, studied on all of the latest developments. I think that this, uh, story about

00:35:27.260 the Biden documents is far from over. I think we're going to continue to see more and more come out

00:35:32.940 about it. Uh, and, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm interested as well in whether this is something

00:35:41.000 that's, uh, potentially designed to nudge Smith since his jurisdiction is broader, uh, than, uh,

00:35:50.480 hers. Hers is just looking at document issues for Biden, but Smith has both document issues for Trump

00:35:57.060 and the January 6th related, you know, uh, narrative issues. And, um, he's opened a lot of

00:36:04.200 grand jury, uh, investigations by all accounts. Um, so this may be also part of a kind of sophisticated

00:36:12.940 effort to put, uh, pressure on him to come up with some way to, uh, bring an indictment against Trump

00:36:20.680 for, uh, or in some kind of connection to January 6th. So this is a very interesting time. I mean,

00:36:29.080 I think it's a time that some reasons for optimism because the house changed hands and it's shown

00:36:35.100 that it wants to be aggressive in doing investigations and oversight, but by the same token, uh, the,

00:36:42.580 the Biden justice department, uh, and these special counsels are still in place. Uh, and, you know,

00:36:48.640 it, it just seems as if there's an endless fascination with an obsession with president

00:36:55.120 Trump. I mean, I, I've never seen a past president in us history and, you know, uh, uh, you've seen

00:37:01.460 more than I have Lou who they just, it's like, he is the president or he he's in the news every day

00:37:08.420 in the mainstream media. They, they just have some visceral reaction to him, some hatred to him

00:37:13.660 that is inexplicable and some deep psychological problem. He, I can solve part of that mystery.

00:37:22.640 Donald Trump is first of all, extraordinary, extraordinarily, uh, attractive to the left

00:37:31.740 because they can fundraise off of him and all the lies and myths that they built around him

00:37:37.580 all day long. And the national corporate media, it makes lots of money on their circulation,

00:37:47.400 their distribution, uh, and their audience size, uh, and their ratings by focusing on Donald Trump.

00:37:54.960 It is because they fear him. He is such a challenge to the status quo, uh, and to the swamp system in

00:38:04.600 Washington, D.C., that, uh, what has grown up here is an industry and in, it is a, uh, an attempted

00:38:13.540 assassination every day, uh, to a, of a former president that we see in the, in the national

00:38:19.560 media and on the part of the Marxist Dems. That's my, my thought since you raised it. Uh, I'm going to

00:38:27.100 give you, if we may, your reaction and we'll call it a show. Sounds good, uh, Lou. So yeah, I agree.

00:38:34.420 I think it's because they fear him, uh, and that's because he was incredibly effective, even though

00:38:41.020 they had this whole Russiagate scam running in an attempt to deny him the first term, uh, in office,

00:38:47.300 he was still, you know, far more effective than a, uh, a Bush 43 or a Bush 41. And it, it terrifies

00:38:54.860 the heck of them, heck out of them of what if he really got a fair shot and he didn't have to fight

00:39:00.080 all this stuff all the time, what could he accomplish in a second term? And so that's why I think

00:39:04.240 they're bound to determine to try to destroy him and his legacy. And I think we're going to get

00:39:10.300 a chance to, to find out in 2024. Uh, I personally, I, I believe it's, uh, it is, it's written in the

00:39:19.440 fates. Uh, we'll see. Thank you very much, Jeff Clark. Thanks so much. Great American. Great to have

00:39:25.660 you with us. Thanks, Lou. Great American Jeffrey Clark with the center for renewing America. And by

00:39:32.600 the way, congratulations to the center. The center originated the idea of creating a house committee

00:39:38.340 to investigate the weaponization of the department of justice, the FBI and Intel community. And speaker

00:39:45.440 McCarthy liked the idea that investigation is now underway. Thanks everybody for being with us today.

00:39:52.460 Here tomorrow. Our guest is attorney Kevin Evans. He's looking into department of justice records

00:39:57.920 that pertain to gifts and payoffs to the Biden family. He'll have the latest for us here tomorrow

00:40:04.280 till then. God bless you. And God bless America.

The Great America Show - January 26, 2023

ENDLESS OBSESSION： JEFFREY CLARK SAYS THERE’S NEVER BEEN A PAST PRESIDENT LIKE TRUMP WHO STAYS IN THE NEWS LIKE HE’S STILL IN OFFICE

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