ENDLESS OBSESSION： JEFFREY CLARK SAYS THERE’S NEVER BEEN A PAST PRESIDENT LIKE TRUMP WHO STAYS IN THE NEWS LIKE HE’S STILL IN OFFICE
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Former Vice President Joe Biden is in trouble, and not just with the law, but with the people around him, including his own lawyer, Jeff Clark, who joins us from the Center for Renewing America to talk about the Biden document dump, the return of President Trump to social media, and more.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show. Welcome.
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We're coming to you from that undisclosed location again today. Great to have you with us.
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And there is good news. The social media giant Meta, on Facebook and Instagram,
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decided to reinstate President Trump. The President of the United States denied his
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social media accounts for two years. Mark Zuckerberg banned President Trump to keep him off
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social media, along with Twitter, and shocked the nation in doing so. Now, President Trump can once
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again entertain and inform the nation on social media. Elon Musk restoring the President's Twitter
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account two months ago. It's still unclear when and whether he will return to Twitter,
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given his relationship with his own social media platform, Truth Social. It's good to have him
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back, no matter what. History won't be kind to Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg, titans of tech,
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but authoritarian tools of big tech and the left. Today, we take up this new Congress and how much
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work they have to do to help free the country of the left-wing madness of the Biden regime,
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and they have to figure out how to roll back the regime's policies that have brought in five to
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six million illegal immigrants, a wide open border that no longer is defended and which is effectively
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in the control of the Mexican drug cartels, thanks to President Biden. And of course, the incredible
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Biden document dump. If you're counting, there are now five stashes of highly classified papers
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and the possibility of a dangerous breach of national security. There have been so many of
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these top-secret papers spread around that there's no question that Biden is in trouble,
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considerable trouble. And he had no authority to do any of this. There is no reasonable explanation
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why he had these documents in his home, his garage, or his Chinese communist-funded think tank,
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that think tank called the Penn Biden Center, top-secret documents that his personal attorneys
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liberated from a closet at that center. Again, how did he take those documents out? They were,
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after all, top-secret and not his. Why did he have the documents there? The circumstances separate
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Biden from the Trump document case in lots of ways. But first of all, because the documents belong to
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the president, not the archivist, not the DOJ or FBI or Barack Obama, though the FBI did act as if
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they did own those documents when they motored into Mar-a-Lago. And you've probably noticed the
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Department of Justice went radio silent on those documents within just a few days. They knew they
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were in trouble and big trouble. Joining us now from the Center for Renewing America is Jeff Clark,
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attorney, former top Justice Department official. And Jeff, great to have you back with us. Good to
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see you. Let's start with good old Joe and his, it seems, never-ending fondness for lifting top-secret
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documents that don't belong to him and putting them in places he shouldn't. What do you make of it all?
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Well, Lou, happy new year. It's great to be here. And I guess I'll just start with you referencing the
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think tank. I think the real name for the think tank should be the Penn-Biden-China-funded think tank
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or the Penn-Biden-China-funded launch pad for Biden appointees, because that's also what it seems like
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it was. So many of the people in his administration in the foreign policy sort of area seem to have some
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affiliation, including Blinken, with this Penn-Biden Center. Yeah, the Penn-Biden Center, taking large,
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and when I say large, we're talking $50 million. I mean, I haven't heard of many donations like that
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to a think tank, especially one as little known and perhaps underappreciated as the Penn-Biden
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think tank or center, more appropriately. I don't even understand how this could go on,
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because it is, it looks like a payoff of some sort just on its face. And then to find out it
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was going on for years, has been going on for years. Right. I mean, I'd like to see legislation,
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Lou, outlawing our universities from taking money from the Chinese. I mean, you know about these
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Confucius Institutes, which, you know, at least there's been some pushback against that. But,
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you know, if you're a former vice president who's angling to be president, it seems like you get
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treated in a different way. And, you know, it is facially questionable, right? I mean,
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you know, what Ivy League school wants to hire Biden to be a professor? I mean, the guy at this
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point, obviously, and I think has been for a while, you know, is senile and as unfortunate as
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that is, all else being equal. But, you know, you just hiring somebody like that as a professor is
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just gobsmacking. It truly is. And there is a little known university up in Cambridge that
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apparently took some $75 million. I saw that in one account. And it's across the country. It's public
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universities. It's private. They're buying their way into academia in this country, at the same time
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running intelligence espionage, if you will, operations. It is they, the Chinese, and there's
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such little pushback. As you say, the Confucius Institute, we were told there are about a hundred of
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them. Well, from that first estimate, the number rose. Not only were there in our colleges and
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universities, but these institutes were in some high schools as well. And there was a reaction and
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two or three were shut down. I haven't heard a peep about any other Confucius Center being shut down,
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even though they were clearly the basis for taking intellectual capital, for learning as much as they
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could, about our trade secrets, whether it's technology or weaponry. It was across and has
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been across the country in various forms, whether it's Confucius Institutes or whether it is front
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companies stealing technology by not the fistful, but by hundreds of billions of dollars a year.
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Absolutely, Lou. I mean, the tech areas of our economy, engineering, and the hard sciences have
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really been infiltrated by the Chinese. And then they take that know-how and intellectual property
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back to China, ripping us off. But then ideologically, with these Confucius Institutes,
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right, they're brainwashing students all in the name of kind of, you know, international harmony,
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even though the Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party are our major enemy and clearly are plotting
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for our destruction. And it's not that hard to find papers from their thinkers saying that's exactly
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what their aim is. They're just sapping, you know, digging out the foundations of America from
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underneath of it. There really should be legislation adopted quickly that would ban this kind of money
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inflow. And especially, you know, you referred to Harvard obliquely, right? And we have Penn
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and, you know, Columbia has long been a bastion of the left, but really, really all of them. I mean,
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the Ivy League universities, especially Harvard and Yale, and then, you know, the Ivy League West of
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Stanford, their endowments are enormous. They don't need to take this money in. It's all at some level,
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a kind of, you know, massive greed or massive, you know, they create such a deep pocket that really
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there can be no competitor. And I just, I don't get it. It makes me ashamed of my alma mater that
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they engage in these kinds of things. And, you know, my mom had been a secretary at the University
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of Pennsylvania. And, you know, I'd gotten into UPenn as well as to Harvard and several of the other
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schools. She was kind of heartbroken when I decided to go to Harvard, especially because then I wouldn't
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be, you know, closer to Philadelphia. But, you know, I think that if she had lived to see this,
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she would be very disappointed in Penn, which she had idolized.
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Yeah, as are lots of people across the country to think of the opportunity that our universities,
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our colleges provide, young men and women. And to think that this is the way those institutions
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are behaving. And by the way, when you talk about that, as you very well know, as an alum,
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Harvard has so much money and it is the richest, wealthiest endowment in the world. And for them to
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be, I don't know if influence is quite the correct word, but to be taking that money with the obvious
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implications that there is a trade, a quid pro quo of some sort, otherwise it doesn't happen,
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it's really difficult because it's something that we've got to contend with across this society,
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across academia. I want to get to that Penn Biden center again. That the repository of those
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highest classified documents in the possession of Joe Biden, locked in a closet, and a number of
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attorneys go in searching for something we don't know what, and we don't know why they were there.
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But for some reason, they were looking for these documents, at least in part, but they didn't have
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the classification clearances, the security clearance, to be looking at them. So that's really quite curious.
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If it were a one-off, I'd say, well, that was legit, as the saying goes. But then they also show up at
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his residence in Wilmington, again, the same attorneys purportedly, but didn't have, again,
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security clearances. So they found the documents and then made a phone call. This all sounds highly
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So, Lou, I think that raises a very important set of questions. So I had speculated something
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early on, but since then, I've been seeing counter-speculation. So let me share both
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speculations with you. And as new information comes out and as time goes on, I think we'll get
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closer to one or the other, or maybe it's even something nefarious that no one is imagining.
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So what I was thinking was, look, it seems very strange that this information is located just
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before midterm elections and is leaked to the press on January 9th, so soon after Congress has changed
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hands and so soon after the new anti-weaponization of government subcommittee is created in the Judiciary
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Committee after the House votes in Speaker McCarthy as part of a larger deal. And so I was wondering
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whether this is something they've known about for some time, right? I think that the Democrats are almost
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always guilty of exactly what they try to hurl on to Republicans, and oftentimes they hurl it on to Republicans
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shortly before it comes out what they were doing. So I wonder, I have been wondering whether they've known about
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this for a while. And so they launched in August the outrageous raid on Mar-a-Lago as a way to
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basically cancel it out. So they get a whole period in the midterm elections where they can say Trump was
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hoarding classified documents. They get whatever bang that gives them for the election. Then if it
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turns out that the House or both houses of the Congress flip and they're going to be investigated,
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then they come out with, you know, the Biden stuff. And then, you know, the respective two special
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counsels, Jack Smith for Trump and Robert Herr for Biden, you know, just basically come to a conclusion
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of, you know, it's not something we're going to prosecute. And then they pretend that everything's
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even-handed. So that was my early speculation. We'll see, you know, whether information comes out that
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they did know about this before November 2nd. The other speculation that I've seen, which, you know,
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I just saw a data point this afternoon about, which was a Time Magazine article by Mona Charan,
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who, you know, really has kind of become one of these folks like Bill Kristol, who, you know, has come
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out, you know, as someone who probably never really was a conservative in the first place. But, you know,
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the article is titled something like, we expected more of Joe Biden. And, you know, I'm just starting to
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see the knives come out for him about this. And that speculation has been that they're trying to
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deep six him so he cannot run in 2024. And they have some kind of replacement lined up, whether it's
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Gavin Newsom or what it is. And so I don't, I think both of those are speculations, but I toss them out
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for what they're worth. Well, speculation, informed and intelligent speculation is certainly a part of
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what we do here. And I am delighted, and I think the audience is delighted to hear that informed and
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intelligent speculation. And I think that there's a great deal to it. And the timing, as you mentioned,
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the discovery on November 2nd, just less, what, six days before the election, well, that was peculiar
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timing, wasn't it? And then the notification to the archives, then the call to the Justice Department.
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And then suddenly, we don't hear any more from them until the 9th of November, the day after the
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election. There's, one doesn't have to speculate, feel too badly about speculating about what is
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obvious. They waited until after that election was over for this thing to gin up without any question,
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I think. And I love the reaction of the left. Well, Joe Biden's a nice guy. This is quite different than
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Trump. Trump's a bad guy. So this is okay for Joe, but it's not a good thing for Donald. And
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and so with the early reasoning, it's with all of them forgetting a couple of little minor items,
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like Joe Biden at this time, those documents were taken, if not outright stolen. He was a vice
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president, didn't have the right to take any highly classified document home, had no right whatsoever to
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have them in his possession. And yet after six years for some of them, there they are. President Trump
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as a president is the highest, highest authority on classification can declassify or classify as he
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will. And, and everyone wants to forget that that's quite a difference and a distinction. And all of the,
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the, the brain nonsense from the left here is, is pitiful, don't you think?
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Well, yes, Lou, I, I think I begin with looking hard at the National Archives. And I think the new
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weaponization committee, or Comer's oversight committee, or both as they, you know, see fit,
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you know, should investigate the National Archives, because it seems like, you know, not too long after
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President Trump left office, they're crawling all over him looking for, for documents. You know,
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you have stories that the archivist at the time, watched, you know, Trump leave. I think he was
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headed for, you know, Marine One or something on the White House lawn. And he's got like a white banker's
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box of documents. And, you know, the, the, the story is that the archivist looks at that. And he's,
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he says to himself, I wonder what the hell's inside that box? Well, I'm going to find out.
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So, you know, I kind of like spite. So, so they're all over Trump. But by contrast,
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you know, the, the Biden VP documents are taken six years ago, and magically, no one at the archives
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seems to have known any the better, you know, they didn't, they didn't look into it, they didn't try to,
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you know, rectify whatever their lists were with what documents were actually turned over.
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And it's a complete double standard. Why is the, the NARA, the National Archives, why are they
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behaving like that? And it seems like it's because, you know, the, the guy running the archives,
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you know, is partisan. And he also specifically said he didn't want to leave office when Trump was
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there because he wanted to make sure that a Democrat would put in the replacement. So it's just,
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it's, it smells to the high heavens, Lou. And, and it's something I hope the, the new house will
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And I'm really very hopeful that this, this, these two committees, well, it's actually expanding
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rather quickly, isn't it? The church committee, the judiciary committee, the oversight committee.
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These are committees that are run by first class individuals who have a purpose and a,
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an approach that I really think will pay dividends. I, I, I just have very high expectations. And as I,
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as, as, as one of some experience, I know better than get high hopes, but this, this, this feels
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entirely different because of the quality of the people who are spearheading the effort. Your thoughts
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I agree. You know, here at the Center for Renewing America, where I'm a senior fellow and the director
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of litigation, we have been calling for a church style committee for a long time. In fact, you know,
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I was on Tucker's program, but it was guest hosted by Will Kane very shortly after that raid. And,
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you know, I called for the church style committee there. So, you know, it's, it's, and, and Russ
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vote, you know, our, our founder and head had been doing the same thing. And so, you know, has been
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working closely with, with the house members to try to, to get that done. So, you know, we, we're very
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pleased to see that subcommittee be created. And, you know, we want to see what they can expose. And we
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think, look, that, that, you know, the judiciary committee, the oversight committee, and the
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subcommittee in judiciary on the weaponization of government, which is the church style committee,
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these are all going to be run in fair and above board ways, not like the January 6th committee,
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where, you know, banks and Jordan were not allowed to be on the committee at the, you know,
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directive of Nancy Pelosi. You know, they're going to be Democrats on those, that, that subcommittee
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that keeps everybody honest. And, you know, we can see whether, you know, they can push back
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against the kinds of inquiries that the majority wants to run. But I'm confident that, that Jim
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Jordan, for instance, is, he's able to, to question and debate his way through a lot of fog.
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What happens if Hakeem Jeffries appoints Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell?
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I mean, there has to be some, there has to be some sort of, uh, of test here, uh, for whoever
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Well, it'd be interesting to see if, you know, the, the Kevin McCarthy, et cetera, if they push
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back, if there are, uh, you know, folks like that who are, who are proposed. But I think even
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if there are folks like that who are proposed, you know, I, I kind of welcome the scrum. Um, so,
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you know, I, I, I think that, that Adam Schiff in particular, well, I just said both of them,
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right? Let's do Adam Schiff and then Swalwell. So first Adam Schiff, right? This guy lied so much
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about Russiagate that it's not even funny. And he used his sort of, you know, Schiff dungeon in the
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basement of the Capitol to, you know, take a classified testimony and then come out and
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purport to say in rough, big terms, what he'd heard when it was all lies, uh, keeping, you know,
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that fire alight for a long time. And then, as you know, about Swalwell, the guys like, you know,
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sleeping with a Chinese spy who, when she's discovered, like poof, she's gone from the country.
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And, you know, the, the, the Democrats tried to weather that as if there's like nothing to see
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here when, you know, and we obviously had Dianne Feinstein, obviously she's in the Senate, not in
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the house, but this is another example, right? Her, her driver's a long time, uh, spy. He's working
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for her, you know, uh, I forget the precise time period, but I think it was at least more than a
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decade. I think it was a spy. I mean, it's just outrageous. Yeah. I, I, I think it was about 20 years
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as I recall, but that's only recall. Uh, and, and I admire your sportsmanship in this, but I have to
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tell you the thought of listening to Eric Swalwell for five minutes and Adam Schiff lie through, uh, a,
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a, just a greeting would be to me too much to bear. So I hope that they, I hope that, that McCarthy
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and Jeffries, uh, put together something of a better relationship and a result here. I let's,
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let's turn to also the Wilmington home where documents were discovered, uh, in the garage.
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We find out that there are now some questions about Hunter Biden who had access to the home
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at least in two, uh, two years. He was, he said paying $49,000 a month for rent, which, uh, you know,
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that's a terrific thing. I, I, I would welcome, uh, all our, are you ready, babe? I'm, I would welcome
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back all of our children at $50,000 a month to take any room they wish. What do you make of it?
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Yeah, that's, that's a pretty funny observation. Yeah. That's clearly not market rate, but it's
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much like, you know, uh, Hunter Biden, the new artists selling paintings for half a million dollars.
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Um, you know, this, the, the, the fact that these kinds of things aren't even being investigated
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is, is, uh, is mind blowing. And, and look, you know, you would think actually with these documents
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being found, uh, you know, in the garage somewhere at the Wilmington home and then in, uh, you know,
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like filing cabinets or something nearby inside the house that, you know, the, the, uh, the U.S.
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attorney in Delaware might be the first one to be involved. Uh, but, um, you know, that seems not to
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be the case, I think, because they realize, right, there's only so much weight they can put on that
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guy because he's the guy who seems like he's been assigned to keep a lid on, uh, Hunter Biden, you know,
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to come up with something, uh, but not too much because, you know, not, not to get into foreign
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corruption, but to deal with, you know, smaller time, uh, charges like his, his tax returns. And,
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you know, I think that, that look, both of the, uh, the, uh, U.S. attorneys or former U.S. attorneys
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who have been tapped by, uh, the attorney general currently to look at, um, the, uh, Biden related
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issues. So first it was John Lausch, the U.S. attorney in the Northern district of Illinois,
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Chicago, who's a former law partner of mine. And then second, it's, uh, it's Robert Kerr who used
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to be the U.S. attorney in Maryland, um, you know, to be the special counsel. I mean, both of these,
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uh, guys are really at, at best, even though they were Trump appointees, uh, creatures of the
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establishment. And John Lausch was the, uh, only other holdover from the, uh, Trump U.S. attorneys
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other than, uh, the one in Delaware that I was averting to, who's looking into Hunter Biden.
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Um, and so, you know, both, both of them, I think, you know, they're, Garland, AG Garland
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is looking for someone who can provide, you know, a patina of, uh, Republican respectability
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as it were, or at least, you know, a little, little bit of protection in that regard, right?
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He hasn't picked one of the, uh, the, the hard gunner, uh, Democrats is trying to pick
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someone who looks like a Republican, but I don't think that either of them, and I know
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both of them really are, you know, hardcore conservatives. So I don't think the American
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people should, uh, expect that someone who, who, you know, really, uh, would give, you know,
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super thorough look at, uh, Biden, um, in this, you know, document situation are really gonna,
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uh, turn over all leaves. Let's put it that way.
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Yeah. Let me put it, let me put it in, in Dobbs speak. They're left-wing hacks, aren't they?
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Well, I mean, I, I've had conversations with John Lausch, um, and he and I work closely on some
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major litigation together, like probably the largest multi-district litigation in U.S.
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history. Um, and, you know, I had a little bit of interaction with Robert Herr. I mean,
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they didn't come across as, as left-wing hacks to me, but they also didn't come across to me as,
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uh, enthusiastic Trump supporters. So I remember congratulating John. I think his, uh, nomination
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was announced after mine. Um, you know, uh, and I said something like, it'd be great to serve
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together in the Trump administration. And all I got was kind of like a flat thanks. Like I didn't
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get anything like, yeah, I'm, you know, looking forward to, uh, serving the president in Chicago
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or something like that. So I, I think both of them, they're just, they're, they're very, uh,
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middle of the road, but I guess maybe as to, as to Robert Herr, you know, who now does have the
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special counsel job, I have more serious concerns because, you know, the, the IG, uh, had noted that
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he was involved in the Steele dossier issues. Um, and I don't understand how you can appoint
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someone under the requirement for the special counsel regulations, in particular section 600.3,
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who, uh, they have to have a reputation for impartiality. I mean, I think what happened with
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the Steele dossier should disqualify, disqualify anyone from having a reputation for impartiality.
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I think it should disqualify any person, uh, from, uh, from frankly, walking the streets. They should
00:27:35.640
be in jail. The effect of the Steele dossier and the way in which it was utilized, uh, was, uh, is a
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bludgeon against a sitting president with the full knowledge on the part of the FBI and the Department
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of Justice that it was a pack of lies and pure nonsense. Uh, it was an attempt to frame the
00:27:54.240
president of the United States. I'll go, I, I know I'm a little more, uh, direct than you, uh, but this
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is, they, these two have to be disqualified as far as I'm concerned for the simple reason that Merrick
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Garland is the attorney general and he appointed them. Uh, Merrick Garland has the, has the soul,
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uh, a dark soul. I'll put it that way. So I'll, I'll, uh, you know, I know we've had these
00:28:19.140
kinds of, uh, discussions before, but here, here's what I will say. Um, I think, you know,
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that, that Robert Herr, he tried to block the Nunes memo in January of 2018. And, you know,
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he claimed there'd be damage to national security, uh, from that, but I think quite the contrary,
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the damage to national security was relying on, you know, this MI6, uh, guy, Steele and Danchenko's
00:28:43.180
lies in the first place. Right. And, you know, it was all based on this idea of the Russians were
00:28:50.100
trying to influence the election. Even the Washington Post at this point has admitted that
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the Russian bots, you know, were dropping the bucket. They had like nil impact on the 2016 election.
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It was always a farce, um, you know, during this, this same. Well, it was, it was, I'm sorry to
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interrupt you, Jeff, but it was a farce, but it was a farce perpetrated as a fraud on the American
00:29:12.780
people. And that's quite a different, uh, I think quite a different statement. Uh, would you agree
00:29:19.780
with that? I would agree that it was a farce that was, uh, perpetrated on the American people and,
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uh, and did them really wrong. And basically was an attempt to deny president Trump his first term,
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um, by, by always keeping, you know, this, this cloud over his head of somehow he was,
00:29:38.140
you know, a Russian asset, which was ridiculous from the outset. Anyone who had, you know, the
00:29:44.140
modicum of a brain would have known that that was ridiculous. That it was president Trump who was
00:29:49.000
pushing to, uh, you know, restore America, wanted to, uh, face off against our biggest adversary,
00:29:55.060
China, you know, wanted to see a return of economic nationalism, wanted to get us out of
00:30:00.560
foreign wars. Uh, and, and so, you know, the allegation that, that he was just doing Putin's
00:30:05.820
bidding was always silly. Um, and, you know, we, we even have the fact that during this same era at
00:30:11.720
the Justice Department, right, we have an FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, who falsified a FISA
00:30:17.980
affidavit to make it look like, you know, Carter Page, you know, was not, uh, essentially a source for
00:30:24.440
the CIA when he darn well knew that he was, and he pleaded guilty of that. And, you know,
00:30:29.100
that you've got people floating around the, the, the FBI like this. I mean, Clinesmith had texted,
00:30:34.340
you know, vive la resistance in, in response to Trump. Um, he said that the crazies have won
00:30:40.880
finally, this is the tea party on steroids. I mean, no one who is, is sending texts around who's an FBI
00:30:48.600
employee like this, not serving their boss, the commander in chief, the chief executive of the
00:30:54.860
United States should be in office. It's a disgrace. Yeah. Jeff, when it comes to Clinesmith, let's be
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very, again, very direct. John Durham was appointed by Bill Barr to create immunity for Clinesmith,
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uh, and he did a very good job of it. And so far he hasn't won a thing. He hasn't uncovered a thing,
00:31:18.600
uh, and there is no resolution in sight. The man is running out the game and while providing cover
00:31:26.700
for the deep state. Am I, what do you think of my conclusion there on that? I mean, you know, if,
00:31:34.320
if you follow, uh, the good Lord's, uh, statement in various gospels that, you know, you judge a tree
00:31:40.460
by its fruits, um, you know, it's, it's hard to argue with that. Right. I mean, you know, so Clinesmith
00:31:46.820
did plead guilty. Um, and I believe he, uh, lost his license at least for a time in Michigan, but,
00:31:53.840
you know, he's still up on the DC bar website, uh, as in good standing, um, you know, so, so soon after
00:32:00.240
having pled guilty, you know, meanwhile, for wanting to investigate the election, you know,
00:32:05.360
the DC bar is still coming after me. So, you know, that contrast is pretty striking to me,
00:32:10.220
even at a personal level. Um, as it should be, I mean, it should be, it should also be disgusting to
00:32:16.700
us all that this is, uh, the way in which the department of justice so-called, uh, pursues its
00:32:24.100
ideological enemies, because that is the only explanation they view every Republican, every conservative,
00:32:29.720
as an enemy of the state. When in point of fact, in my view, uh, the deep state and the Marxist
00:32:36.480
Dems are truly the enemy of, or the enemies of the Republic. I want to turn, if we may, uh, to,
00:32:44.320
to the, as we, as we conclude here, to where we go from here. We have two special councils appointed,
00:32:52.320
uh, a former, uh, a former president, a current president and former vice president,
00:32:58.660
two quite different cases, two special councils, an attorney general who is appallingly ideological,
00:33:07.720
uh, and, uh, unworthy of the office he holds, a president who's impaired. And we now have Adam
00:33:16.580
Schiff, uh, talking about the effort to the speculation that, uh, that it's, he's, he's reached
00:33:23.500
the end of his road, according to the Follett Bureau of the Marxist Dem Party. Uh, where do we go from
00:33:29.500
here? Well, I think that, uh, people need to continue to put pressure on their, uh, on their
00:33:38.760
own representatives to get to the bottom of all of this, Lou, in an honest way, right? I mean, we know
00:33:43.780
that the January 6th committee was a one-sided operation that operated as a star chamber. They're
00:33:50.740
still keeping hundreds and hundreds of depositions locked away. Those all need to come out as the,
00:33:57.420
the documents that were provided in the process and the videos, and especially the 14,000 hours of,
00:34:03.520
uh, security footage around the Capitol on January 6th, all that needs to come out. And I think,
00:34:08.880
you know, uh, your listeners need to keep pressing for that. I think that, uh, you know,
00:34:14.320
for anyone who's listening to you, who's still listening to, you know, CNN and, uh, the, um,
00:34:21.660
and MSNBC, et cetera, or really taking the times and the Washington Post seriously, you know,
00:34:28.280
they need to broaden their, uh, their media input, um, and, and stop listening to the, to the fake
00:34:33.560
media. And then, you know, we, we have to watch carefully what emerges from the oversight process
00:34:40.140
and the oversight committee, the judiciary committee, and the, uh, the judiciary subcommittee,
00:34:46.360
the church style committee. I think those are going to be, those are going to be vital. And,
00:34:55.800
Jeff, thanks for being with us. Uh, I I'm going to, uh, if you have a concluding thought,
00:35:01.760
we always give you the last word. Uh, why don't you give us your concluding thoughts about the,
00:35:07.540
where we are now? And, uh, uh, and, uh, let me say it's always great to have you with us and
00:35:14.180
thanks for joining us. Well, I always enjoy, uh, uh, talking with you about these issues. You're very,
00:35:21.120
uh, you know, studied on all of the latest developments. I think that this, uh, story about
00:35:27.260
the Biden documents is far from over. I think we're going to continue to see more and more come out
00:35:32.940
about it. Uh, and, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm interested as well in whether this is something
00:35:41.000
that's, uh, potentially designed to nudge Smith since his jurisdiction is broader, uh, than, uh,
00:35:50.480
hers. Hers is just looking at document issues for Biden, but Smith has both document issues for Trump
00:35:57.060
and the January 6th related, you know, uh, narrative issues. And, um, he's opened a lot of
00:36:04.200
grand jury, uh, investigations by all accounts. Um, so this may be also part of a kind of sophisticated
00:36:12.940
effort to put, uh, pressure on him to come up with some way to, uh, bring an indictment against Trump
00:36:20.680
for, uh, or in some kind of connection to January 6th. So this is a very interesting time. I mean,
00:36:29.080
I think it's a time that some reasons for optimism because the house changed hands and it's shown
00:36:35.100
that it wants to be aggressive in doing investigations and oversight, but by the same token, uh, the,
00:36:42.580
the Biden justice department, uh, and these special counsels are still in place. Uh, and, you know,
00:36:48.640
it, it just seems as if there's an endless fascination with an obsession with president
00:36:55.120
Trump. I mean, I, I've never seen a past president in us history and, you know, uh, uh, you've seen
00:37:01.460
more than I have Lou who they just, it's like, he is the president or he he's in the news every day
00:37:08.420
in the mainstream media. They, they just have some visceral reaction to him, some hatred to him
00:37:13.660
that is inexplicable and some deep psychological problem. He, I can solve part of that mystery.
00:37:22.640
Donald Trump is first of all, extraordinary, extraordinarily, uh, attractive to the left
00:37:31.740
because they can fundraise off of him and all the lies and myths that they built around him
00:37:37.580
all day long. And the national corporate media, it makes lots of money on their circulation,
00:37:47.400
their distribution, uh, and their audience size, uh, and their ratings by focusing on Donald Trump.
00:37:54.960
It is because they fear him. He is such a challenge to the status quo, uh, and to the swamp system in
00:38:04.600
Washington, D.C., that, uh, what has grown up here is an industry and in, it is a, uh, an attempted
00:38:13.540
assassination every day, uh, to a, of a former president that we see in the, in the national
00:38:19.560
media and on the part of the Marxist Dems. That's my, my thought since you raised it. Uh, I'm going to
00:38:27.100
give you, if we may, your reaction and we'll call it a show. Sounds good, uh, Lou. So yeah, I agree.
00:38:34.420
I think it's because they fear him, uh, and that's because he was incredibly effective, even though
00:38:41.020
they had this whole Russiagate scam running in an attempt to deny him the first term, uh, in office,
00:38:47.300
he was still, you know, far more effective than a, uh, a Bush 43 or a Bush 41. And it, it terrifies
00:38:54.860
the heck of them, heck out of them of what if he really got a fair shot and he didn't have to fight
00:39:00.080
all this stuff all the time, what could he accomplish in a second term? And so that's why I think
00:39:04.240
they're bound to determine to try to destroy him and his legacy. And I think we're going to get
00:39:10.300
a chance to, to find out in 2024. Uh, I personally, I, I believe it's, uh, it is, it's written in the
00:39:19.440
fates. Uh, we'll see. Thank you very much, Jeff Clark. Thanks so much. Great American. Great to have
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you with us. Thanks, Lou. Great American Jeffrey Clark with the center for renewing America. And by
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the way, congratulations to the center. The center originated the idea of creating a house committee
00:39:38.340
to investigate the weaponization of the department of justice, the FBI and Intel community. And speaker
00:39:45.440
McCarthy liked the idea that investigation is now underway. Thanks everybody for being with us today.
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Here tomorrow. Our guest is attorney Kevin Evans. He's looking into department of justice records
00:39:57.920
that pertain to gifts and payoffs to the Biden family. He'll have the latest for us here tomorrow
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till then. God bless you. And God bless America.