Trump stops by a union job site in downtown Manhattan to say hi to union workers. President Trump asks how important is the union vote considering the long history of unions supporting Democrats. Trump s lawyers argue that without presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, there can be no presidency as we know it.
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00:00:33.900Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:39.220President Trump is on trial in New York.
00:00:41.700He's being held hostage by the corrupt Marxist-dim judiciary, but it's not stopping him from getting out and talking with voters and the American people.
00:00:51.940Trump yesterday stopping by a union job site in downtown Manhattan to just say hello to those workers, union workers, big union workers.
00:01:03.240And President Trump was asked how important the union vote is considering the long history that unions have in supporting Democrats.
00:01:12.240President Trump said he doesn't think any one of these hardworking Americans will support the Marxist-dim puppet Joe Biden.
00:01:59.980The steam fitter union local 639 boss Bob Bartels said he's done his own polling inside the union and says President Trump is up three votes for every one Biden supporter.
00:02:14.760Bartels said Americans are tired of what is going on in America with high inflation, low economic growth, high crime, and runaway illegal aliens.
00:02:26.040It was great to see the president come and engaging with the blue-collar worker of New York City.
00:02:33.860The union movement has made the middle class.
00:02:36.940And we are a very patriotic union, and we are pro-America.
00:02:42.600So my members right now, I put out a poll in my union.
00:02:47.960President Trump is leading Joe Biden three to one on my presidential poll out of my 9,000 members right now.
00:02:54.300We are very tired of the situation with groceries, inflation, gas prices, illegal immigration, crime.
00:03:05.060We're living it every day in New York City.
00:03:07.120The steam fitters union obviously is supporting Donald Trump three to one.
00:03:12.560And by the way, hopefully that will be an example to all the other big unions in big blue states.
00:03:18.120And while President Trump is being held hostage in New York courtrooms, his attorneys were a few hundred miles south in Washington, D.C., arguing before the Supreme Court for presidential immunity.
00:03:29.960Trump attorney, John Sauer, telling the Supreme Court that without presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, there can be no presidency as we know it.
00:03:41.400If a president can be charged, put on trial, and in prison for his most controversial decisions as soon as he leaves office, that looming threat will distort the president's decision-making precisely when bold and fearless action would be most needed.
00:03:56.880For example, how about President Truman when he dropped the atomic bomb?
00:04:08.120Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the court, without presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, there can be no presidency as we know it.
00:04:18.180For 234 years of American history, no president was ever prosecuted for his official acts.
00:04:25.020The framers of our Constitution viewed an energetic executive as essential to securing liberty.
00:04:33.380If a president can be charged, put on trial, and imprisoned for his most controversial decisions as soon as he leaves office, that looming threat will distort the president's decision-making precisely when bold and fearless action is most needed.
00:04:48.640Every current president will face de facto blackmail and extortion by his political rivals while he is still in office.
00:04:59.140The implications of the court's decision here extend far beyond the facts of this case.
00:05:05.400Could President George W. Bush have been sent to prison for obstructing an official proceeding or allegedly lying to Congress to induce war in Iraq?
00:05:18.600Could President Obama be charged with murder for killing U.S. citizens abroad by drone strike?
00:05:24.100Could President Biden someday be charged with unlawfully inducing immigrants to enter the country illegally for his border policies?
00:05:34.520The answer to all these questions is no.
00:05:38.620Prosecuting the president for his official acts is an innovation with no foothold in history or tradition and incompatible with our constitutional structure.
00:05:47.220The original meaning of the executive vesting clause, the framers' understanding and intent, an unbroken historical tradition spanning 200 years, and policy considerations rooted in the separation of powers all counsel against it.
00:06:05.860And Justice Alito seemed to almost completely agree with Sauer's argument, asking the Marxist prosecutors why Trump is the only former president to have ever been charged.
00:06:16.320What about President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II?
00:06:25.320Take a listen to DOJ corrupt attorney Michael Dreeben and Justice Alito.
00:06:32.420You, Mr. Sauer, and others have identified events in the past where presidents have engaged in conduct that might have been charged as a federal crime.
00:06:44.000And you say, well, no, that's not really true.
00:06:50.300So what about President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II?
00:06:57.720Couldn't that have been charged under 18 U.S.C. 241, conspiracy against civil rights?
00:07:04.200Today, yes, given the court's decision in Trump versus the United States, in which the, you know, Trump versus Hawaii, excuse me, where the court said Korematsu is overruled.
00:07:19.300I mean, President Roosevelt made that decision with the advice of his attorney general.
00:07:24.820I thought Attorney General Biddle thought that there was really no threat of sabotage, as did J. Edgar Hoover.
00:07:32.320So I think that there is a lot of historical controversy, but it underscores that that occurred during wartime.
00:07:40.360It implicates potential commander in chief concerns, concerns about the exigencies of national defense that might provide an as applied Article II challenge at the time.
00:07:53.540I'm not suggesting today, but the idea that a decision that was made and ultimately endorsed by this court, perhaps wrongly in the Korematsu case, would support criminal prosecution under 241, which requires under United States versus Lanier that the right have been made specific so that there is notice to the president.
00:08:13.340I don't think that would have been satisfied.
00:08:18.000And so we wait for the official decision from the Supreme Court, and hopefully they will show all of the corrupt courts how they should behave and conduct themselves and rule.
00:08:29.620Our guest now, along with his organization, has been covering President Trump and his persecution by the Marxist Dems for years.
00:08:38.760And Judicial Watch has been pushing back on all of that government corruption and overreach.
00:08:44.780And joining us now is the man who leads a very important watchdog group, I think the most important watchdog group in Washington, Judicial Watch, Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
00:09:00.500Everyone is waiting on tenderhooks for this Supreme Court to hold these arguments and to begin the process of reaching a ruling, a decision.
00:09:10.740Your thoughts on how to how today went and how you expect the case to go.
00:09:18.200Well, thankfully, there were no surprises in the sense that there's a strong majority, it seems, for essentially, in my view, ending the cases against Trump by Jack Smith, both here in Washington, D.C.
00:09:31.740and Miami, over documents and his efforts to ensure a lawful election outcome in 2020.
00:09:40.560And frankly, it takes the wind out of the sails and probably shuts down.
00:09:44.700In effect, if the if if the final decision follows what the arguments seem to be following, we'll shut down Fannie Willis's operation down in Georgia as well.
00:09:57.740Now, you know, the big issue for listeners and viewers who haven't followed this is that, you know, Jack Smith and the Biden regime decided after 250 years that they could start indicting presidents for their official acts as presidents after they leave office.
00:10:16.020Now, I don't know why they have to wait till after they leave office, but that's another matter.
00:10:21.220And Trump's people said, well, this is that's craziness.
00:10:24.520Obviously, no president is going to be able to operate if they're he's facing a prosecutor the minute he gets out of office.
00:10:32.880And the Supreme Court, the super I wouldn't say a supermajority, but it looks like he's going to get a six three majority in the least agreeing with him.
00:10:43.760And Trump's going to be vindicated again.
00:10:46.520And at least the lawfare will suffer a significant battle.
00:10:51.340But there are going to be many battles up ahead.
00:10:53.740You know, there's, you know, the equivalent of battles of the bulge, I would submit, as the left continues, it's it's jihad against the rule of law and constitutional government.
00:11:08.560And the it was to be disconcerting to hear the I'll put it this way, the the left wing judges on the court, justices, listening to their reasoning, listening to their their logic and their knowledge of law, I will leave to others.
00:11:29.320But their logic was frightening and their concerns and hypotheticals were bizarre and left me just wondering why they they aren't considered part of the evidence for the reason that a president needs presidential immunity.
00:11:47.760I mean, I mean, these these the left is a little scary, both in their knowledge base and in their capacity for reason and where that reason leads them.
00:11:57.560Yeah. Yeah. If the goal for judges and prosecutors is to get a man, Trump.
00:12:05.440You know, the law becomes inconsequential logic becomes inconsequential in the public good becomes inconsequential.
00:12:13.380And I mean, to me, what I thought was illustrative of just, you know, or the mission of just how awful the Biden administration is here.
00:12:24.520There was this. There was a suggestion by the solicitor general, because people are saying, well, what about prior presidents?
00:12:35.600Well, no prior president, the Biden Justice Department said, has ever committed a crime while in office.
00:12:42.240You know, you know, you know, you know, basically, you know, they're saying is it's just about Trump.
00:12:51.020Right. And when they're faced with questions about what happens to prior presidents, they say, don't worry, it's just about Trump or don't worry.
00:12:59.800You can trust the Justice Department and and all the checks in place in the deep state to ensure that a president isn't abused.
00:13:09.040And when you're abusing a president lawlessly, you're abusing our Constitution and and and the very structure of our constitutional republic.
00:13:19.620And that structure is designed to protect our liberty.
00:13:23.920And it's and the reality is these are folks, if anyone is to be protecting the Constitution, these are the people to do it.
00:13:31.980But the idea that any local prosecutor, any state prosecutor, frankly, any federal prosecutor can at will, as it serves his or her political purpose, bring charges against the president of the United States.
00:13:47.660It is to me right now, the whole country is a is a it's a you know, it's an evidence cabinet right now and open it up and you see Fulton County, you see the D.C.'s courts, you see the New York courts, every one of them conspiring to interfere with the election, quote unquote.
00:14:08.800That means kill Trump, you've got the Congress of the Democratic Party that is now trying to take away his Secret Service protection.
00:14:19.200They're trying not only to imprison him, but they would like to kill him as well.
00:14:24.720And if that Supreme Court does not understand that that is evidence for that bears directly on this case in a practical and pragmatic and inescapable way, I don't know what it will take.
00:14:40.660Yeah, I'm hopeful and I expect the court to rule the right way, whether it will be as aggressive and provide Trump all the relief I think he deserves.
00:14:51.520They what I what they're what I'm hearing is from some of the arguments is they might want to just kick it downstairs and force the president to go through a process while the court while while the Biden Justice Department tries to delineate what was official and what's personal in his acts while he was in the presidency, which is, you know.
00:15:13.140So, or I would think that any normal person would see something that you can't really separate the two from, especially in matters of elections and campaigning and enforcing the rule of law as it relates to all of that.
00:15:26.840So, you know, it would be an important victory and vindication for the rule of law.
00:15:32.360But as you're highlighting these threats continue right now, the president is a political hostage up in New York where he's being held hostage for specious charges in a kangaroo court proceeding.
00:15:44.200Not only is he being abused. I want to I want to put I want to stand up for those jurors who are being abused.
00:15:51.960You can put a lipstick on a pig. No jury is going to be able to ratify that poisonous judicial process up there that is an indictment and a prosecution about nothing.
00:16:04.540I mean, we're still not clear what the full scope of the charges that they're going after Trump on.
00:16:11.500And the judge doesn't care. He's a Biden, literally a Biden donor.
00:16:18.480And, you know, compromise six ways to Sunday under basic standards of judicial ethics.
00:16:25.080And of course, Bragg is a Democratic prosecutor.
00:16:28.280Heck, Lou, did you see who made the opening argument for the prosecution up in New York?
00:16:32.720A former Biden appointee from the Justice Department.
00:16:40.800And if I were the president or maybe the next honest president, we'll have to wait for that.
00:16:46.100I'd appoint personally a special prosecutor to investigate this grand conspiracy, as you've laid out, by the Democratic Party and the Biden regime.
00:16:55.880They're allied elected prosecutors in Arizona now and New York and elsewhere, not only in Georgia, but Michigan.
00:17:06.960They've got civil process as well to investigate this conspiracy against our elections.
00:17:13.620And this malicious effort to deprive Donald Trump and millions of Americans, their civil rights under law and to abuse their power to take away their civil rights under color law, which is illegal.
00:17:28.780And that's the crime I think means that this should be what we're seeing here in New York is not evidence of wrongdoing by Trump, but evidence of criminality by the Democratic Party machine in New York that's trying to make him the political prisoner.
00:17:47.100And as you see, a Democratic leader here in the House of Representatives, Benny Thompson, and it's worth talking about further, introduced legislation.
00:17:56.780And of course, remember, he was the the minion working for Pelosi on the January 6th committee running that show show trial proceeding to remove the Secret Service protection of Donald Trump.
00:18:15.140If he gets sent to jail for a year or more, whatever their standard is.
00:18:19.980So under their logic, they want to be able to send Trump to Rikers Island for a year without Secret Service protection, which is a death sentence.
00:18:31.200And this is also a death sentence for for the Constitutional Republic, because if the Marxist Dems, if this corrupt deep state succeeds against Donald Trump, I truly believe it is the end for us.
00:18:50.860And people had better understand that the stakes.
00:18:53.960And we're going to get to that as we continue with Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton.
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00:20:47.700This is a remarkable moment to me, at least.
00:20:51.100We now have a court document that indicates Jack Smith and the FBI were after Obama and North Korea-related documents when they went after Donald Trump and his documents in Mar-a-Lago.
00:21:15.640I mean, what's happening or what had happened was the National Archives has this view that they are the law when it comes to presidential records.
00:21:24.920And as we've highlighted, no, the person who decides what's a presidential record versus a personal record is, unsurprisingly, the president of the United States, not a bureaucrat who literally works for them.
00:21:38.180And so when Barack Obama, probably mistakenly by all accounts, kept a personal memento, I think it was a letter sent to him personally and maybe the pen that was signed, I forget the detail.
00:21:55.280And, of course, why then, you know, Obama gang, you know, pretended, oh, yeah, they're right, as opposed to just making the stance to saying, well, this is his personal record.
00:22:06.380If you want it for history purposes, you can have it.
00:22:09.220But, you know, stop pretending it's yours.
00:22:11.860And, indeed, that's how they started going after Trump.
00:22:14.660They remember that map he had with the hurricane and there was the drawing.
00:22:19.140They wanted that as a, quote, a presidential record.
00:22:24.140Well, to me, that's a quintessential personal record if he decides to keep it as memento and just keep it because this is something or a letter from him to Obama.
00:22:35.220I think that was one of the other issues that they were going after him on.
00:22:39.400So these are kind of obviously personal records and the bureaucrats should not be the tail wagging the dog in our constitutional republic.
00:22:50.260And, of course, they only prosecute Trump and all these other presidents who've kept records get a free pass.
00:23:00.420You know, it really does speak to how weak the Republican Party is.
00:23:03.580They would never have gone after Trump with this banality, this viciousness and arrogance.
00:23:14.840If the Republican Party had any strength to it at all, whether it be on Wall Street or corporate America, had any institutional strength.
00:23:25.780Certainly they don't have it in government.
00:23:27.480I just can't to watch the arrogance of these people deciding what is law.
00:23:34.660Suddenly the National Archives are part of a grand, a grand conspiracy against the Trump administration.
00:23:55.500You know, and you write about the Republican Party, at least, you know, obviously there are always members that kind of want to do the right thing, but certainly the leadership.
00:24:06.440And I would say even some of our friends on the Hill who are hardcore conservatives that really drop the ball when it comes to confronting this corruption or kind of this war, this lawfare against Trump and millions of other Americans.
00:24:32.740Why aren't there press conferences outside the courthouse?
00:24:35.060Why isn't Bragg and people who've talked to him in other agencies being brought before Congress every day for each day the trials going forward?
00:24:46.900You know, and I kind of make the obviously that's not going to happen, nor would it ever.
00:24:50.560But I'm just trying to make the point there's oversight potential here and a defunding opportunity with defunding not only Jack Smith, but curtailing federal funding to jurisdictions who are harassing and abusing Trump and other innocents, all of which they've taken a pass on.
00:25:07.840And concurrently, we're now being told, and I've been kind of yelling about it for two weeks now, the Republicans want to give up on Biden impeachment.
00:25:45.980And meanwhile, the Republicans, there are a couple of congressmen who are talking about, you know, he's a Christian.
00:25:53.780There's going to be a terrible blowback against you if you criticize the Christian incompetent oaf who is a pretend figure in the speakership.
00:26:08.380I'm sorry. That's just nonsense. And they know it's nonsense.
00:26:12.100The evangelical community is much smarter than that. The Catholic Church is much smarter than that.
00:26:17.020I can't think of a denomination that is so dumb that they would not see the betrayal by Mike Johnson of the fundamental principles, the promises he made.
00:26:29.000My goodness, it's a disaster. How can it be?
00:26:36.680Well, I mean, we could go over the political reasons for how can it be.
00:26:40.280And I think even Johnson would laugh at people saying he shouldn't be held accountable because of his religious beliefs.
00:26:47.960I mean, no one doubts that, you know, he he tries to be a Christian person and take that Christian approach.
00:26:54.880But he would be probably the first, based on my experience with him, to tell you, yeah, hold me accountable.
00:27:00.000You know, and I disagree with you tactically about where we should go, but hold me accountable and to hold him accountable means the highlight, the failure of leadership by him and other Republicans on the Hill.
00:27:11.700And this is where I would differ even from my conservative friends.
00:27:21.160They seem all over the place on a lot of these issues, certainly on these core corruption issues.
00:27:26.740And I would just submit Republicans would do a lot better if they appreciated that when it comes to oversight and accountability, if they had acted as if they had a 60 seat majority.
00:27:39.540And spent more time on that rather than trying to thread the needle on policy issues where it was obvious they were going to have much more difficulty.
00:27:51.760And, of course, they never take my political advice.
00:27:55.880We don't get the good policy and we don't get the effective oversight.
00:28:01.000Now, it's better than it used to be, but still woefully insufficient and inexcusably so, given the resources available to the House Republicans.
00:28:09.540Are you surprised that Donald Trump has backed him to a considerable extent?
00:28:20.140You know, I think Donald Trump's a nice guy.
00:28:23.340You know, he deals with you in business.
00:28:26.800And my guess is he's developed a relationship with Michael Johnson, with Speaker Johnson and, you know, with other past leaders.
00:28:34.160And, you know, I don't expect, you know, Donald Trump isn't the type of president and he isn't the type of politician or the type of person who who just quickly throws people overboard at the drop of a hat.
00:28:47.160Now, there now he will throw them overboard sometimes, usually appropriately.
00:30:39.920I hope you'll be joining us for Lou Dobbs Tonight as our fight to save this country has only begun.
00:30:47.100We're back now with Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
00:30:56.340And as I said at the outset, Judicial Watch, in my opinion, is the most important watchdog group in Washington, D.C., without any question.
00:31:04.740They have, as you know, brought a $30 million wrongful death suit in the murder of Ashley Babbitt.
00:31:12.920And I want to ask you how that suit against the government is going.
00:32:19.800There's bias specifically that we've highlighted by district court judges here in Washington, D.C. against Ashley herself.
00:32:27.460And so we're opposing her case being moved here.
00:32:30.980And then secondly, another thing that popped up in our separate litigation, but it's illustrative of just how abused Ashley was by this regime here, is that the FBI, we found through FOIA litigation, was investigating Ashley for criminal allegations after she died for months.
00:32:50.340So why on earth would they be doing that other than to harass her family and friends and, frankly, come up with after-the-fact justifications for her illicit killing?
00:33:06.240And, Tom, this would be concurrent, contemporaneous with the Marxist Dems efforts, the Pelosi machine, to hide Lieutenant Michael Byrd from the public for six months.
00:33:28.440And, you know, just think back to, well, think to every other officer-involved shooting and how public the investigations are and the level of accountability for those police officers, none of which applied to Byrd.
00:33:46.240The FBI is harassing Ashley Babbitt's legacy and family and trying to justify her death.
00:33:52.460And then a little bit later in the year, we found out they put up Lieutenant Byrd, her killer, in Andrews Air Force Base, or what is now Joint Base Andrews, in the VIP suite that's usually reserved for generals for four or five months.
00:34:14.580So I want to know, in our lawsuit against the U.S. government over the Congressional Police Office's shooting of Ashley Babbitt, I wonder what Congress's position is on that litigation.
00:34:43.180And to see the way in which the 118th Congress is whimpering to the end of this pivotal year, this presidential election year, is dispiriting, I think, for a lot of those Republican conference members, don't you?
00:35:03.920Now, the next big legislative issue will be, I mean, there'll be other smaller issues that pop up, obviously, but effectively, everything done until it gets closer to September 30th, when you have a new fiscal year and they're supposed to have a new budget in place.
00:35:23.560And so the question then is, are they going to keep on funding fully the destruction of our nation, the invasion of our nation, the abuse of Trump?
00:37:14.800Anyway, I mean, I think pretty much every observer would highlight that Republicans are going to have difficulty retaining the House without Donald Trump.
00:37:26.360I mean, if they had to fight on their own, if this was kind of an off-year election or, you know, a non-presidential election year, there'd be little doubt that I think Republicans would lose the House.
00:37:37.140So a lot's riding on President Trump, which is why, you know, from our non-partisan, non-campaign perspective as Judicial Watch, it tells you what the motivation is for the corruption and abuse targeting him.
00:37:50.820He right now, as we said earlier, is being held hostage in New York.
00:37:54.380And he's unable to campaign and will be unable to campaign the way he otherwise would for two months.
00:38:01.680And who knows how much longer, because, as you know, they're trying to wire it in a way that he gets thrown in jail on these so-called violations of the unconstitutional abusive gag orders.
00:38:16.560So, you know, it's not a question whether he gets convicted or not, because I think, you know, the chances are he will, given the jury pool up there.
00:38:24.380But even if he doesn't, they'll try to find a way to further restrain and constrain his freedom most directly.
00:38:31.820And it's a dangerous time for our republic, because if he goes away to jail, his safety will be put at risk.
00:38:38.560Our nation will be destabilized even further.
00:38:41.420It will be a national security issue because threats, you know, are, I think, our enemies and friends abroad will see us, America, as an unreliable player on the international field because of the discord and civil strife at home caused by Biden's abusive political, Biden and the Democratic Party's maniacal efforts to jail Trump and his support.
00:39:12.560Maniacal and, in my judgment, demonic efforts.
00:39:17.440Yes, and Macron, the president of France, saying as more threats originate from the Kremlin to Europe over Ukraine and the red lines that they have crossed, Putin's red lines.
00:39:33.180Macron's saying, and I thought he has it right, he said that our Europe may be lost.
00:39:42.760They understand the gravity of the peril that awaits Europe if they do not come to some sort of sensible resolution.
00:39:53.480This is a moment for, you know, even the bravest of hearts in Europe to tremble.
00:40:00.260That doesn't mean to, in any way, fail to fight with every ounce of energy, but a fight seems to be ahead.
00:40:08.560And now the question is, will we go to war with a cognitively impaired, politically compromised, corrupt puppet president?
00:40:25.760And Macron is, you know, he probably wouldn't say this as directly as we would, that the transnational left and the international elites are failing.
00:40:35.180You know, you know, at least the liberal order in the post-World War era, you know, there were it was basically liberal.
00:40:43.120But it wasn't it wasn't failing and collapsing.
00:40:47.480And Macron and I think many of us see a collapse of the civilized order under the pressure from despots, under pressure from internal communist revolutionaries and under pressure caused by our sheer incompetence of the liberal elites who pretend to be running the show.
00:41:09.280And and those are the dangers that, you know, you will have these sort of collapses of the world order.
00:41:18.000You know, those of us who are kind of want a strong national defense and want our defense and our foreign adventures to reflect the principles of our security first.
00:41:31.100That is the best way to secure the world order, because it reassures people that we know where America stands.
00:41:39.220They're always going to be on the side of America and you don't want to get on the wrong side of that fight.
00:41:45.120Yeah. And too many in Europe, at least, have forgotten that important lesson from the past.
00:41:51.820And Biden doesn't he's not on the side of America on these fights.