GAETZ-GOP WINS MID-TERMS; GIORDANO-PARENTS TAKE BACK SCHOOLS
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Joe Biden is a man of many things. He is a politician, a husband, a father, a friend, a former Vice President, a presidential candidate, a political consultant, an avid supporter of the President, and an avid defender of the Constitution. But what makes him most dangerous is that he is also the President of the United States, and he's been in office since January 6th, 2019.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,
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always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
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And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
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Good day and hello, everybody. It's good to have you with us. We're looking forward to a terrific
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show. Today's edition of the Great America Show will feature a closer look at the Biden White
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House policies that appear to be, what is the word, otherworldly. Policies that are all but
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incomprehensible and inexplicable whenever the White House decides to try to explain something,
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which is rarely. Their policies and decisions are, what is the right word? Well, definitely,
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it is, I'm sticking with otherworldly. Those policies and presidential decisions are just
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downright incoherent. The word I'm looking for, though, is, without question, otherworldly.
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And I'm not suggesting, now, before everybody gets excited on the left and we see the left-wing
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media gin up and attack me, I'm not suggesting that President Biden and his cohorts in the White
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House are extraterrestrial or anything like that. But they are different, different in so many ways,
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different in their thinking, their attitudes, their regard for anyone who isn't a leftist Marxist
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acolyte. Here's an example. All hell could break loose, in my opinion, on the Ukraine eastern border
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with Russia at any moment if Vladimir Putin were to invade. Chinese President Xi making his usual
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threats against Taiwan. And in this country, 78 law enforcement officers killed last month.
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Last month. And street violence is spreading, mostly in large Democrat-run cities. Biden's legislative
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agenda went up in flames on Capitol Hill. Only ashes are still smoldering there. His poll numbers are
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a disaster, and Mrs. Biden has to lead him offstage and down steps. So what's his newest initiative?
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President Biden now wants to unionize the entire federal government workforce. Unions are at their
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weakest, lowest level in American history. So Biden wants to unionize the government, not only federal
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employees, but all contractors who work with the federal government and for the federal government.
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And that is a huge number. All to benefit unions that are all but dead in this country. These are
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peculiar and frightening times under this Biden presidency, folks, and scary. And yes, downright otherworldly.
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And guess who showed up? The always reliably anti-Trump, if you'll just put him on the Sunday
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talk shows, Chris Christie, the former New Jersey governor, who among his many other transgressions against
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President Trump and the nation, accused the 45th and 47th president of inciting the January 6 Capitol Hill riot.
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So guess what the good old reliable Chris Christie did? He started walking back his accusation. The big old Obama
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hugger never lasts too long, though, with any position he takes. Who knows what he's doing and why at any time?
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And today we're taking up the January 6 outrage on this edition of The Great America Show.
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President Trump is fed up with the Republican leadership playing patty cake with the dullard Democrats
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running the January 6 inquisition. Mr. Trump blames the Democrats for all that happened that day.
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And as usual, his logic is absolutely spot on. And the facts support him conclusively.
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The former president says there would have been no problem of any kind that day had Speaker Pelosi
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and the Democratic leadership on Capitol Hill simply listened to him and brought in 10,000
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National Guardsmen to help keep order during that huge Capitol Hill rally. Pelosi famously refused or
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infamously, if you prefer, refused. The rest is history. Of course, it's history. Pelosi and the
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radical Dems are now trying to rewrite with their January 6 Soviet era show trial. We'll be taking all
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of that up with our first guest today. Our first guest is Congressman Matt Gaetz, a great American,
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a stout and stalwart supporter of President Trump, a friend of mine and all conservatives.
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And Congressman, great to have you with us. Thanks for being with us on The Great America Show.
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Oh, it's great to be with you, Lou, but it is so troubling to see that we are now in a new theater of the
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Joe Biden war on work. That is really going to be one of the main legacies of his one-term presidency,
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that you really have never had a more aggressive attempt by the federal government to harm workers
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in this country, whether that's through the mandates that they've utilized, whether that's
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through the explosion in unemployment benefits that they've paid out for people to stay home and not
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work. And now you look at this effort to unionize the federal workforce. Now, there are a lot of good
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folks all across the country that are in unions that are very grateful when we stand up and fight
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against the unchecked immigration and the surrender to China. But what unions do quite
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frequently, particularly public sector unions, is they protect those who are the least performing
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and they harm those who perform at the highest level, who would see accelerated careers and more
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opportunities and more pay. And you can't help but think that this is exactly what China wants out of
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our federal workforce. While they do everything they can to promote their smartest and to get their
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most technical people in a position to utilize stolen secrets to be able to advance their economy and
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their military, here we are teaching to the middle of the class, thinning out the soup in the talent
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pool. And I think that we can't just evaluate this as a political play for Joe Biden to provide a rescue
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plan to unions. It's actually a geopolitical play that weakens us in comparison to the Chinese
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That's a great point. And I also wonder, for example, the post office has six public employee unions.
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Some of the largest unions in the country are without a doubt public employee unions, government
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unions. And how much of the federal workforce isn't already unionized?
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It seems like he wants to get every last scrap that he can on the federal payroll into paying union dues.
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Well, you and I both know that it is almost impossible to fire one of these professional federal
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workers as is. So now their effort to federally unionize, it will make it harder to promote and to advance.
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And to accelerate people outside of the union boss approved banding. I do have to laugh at this,
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though, Lou. While Joe Biden is doing this, there's actually a movement afoot on Capitol Hill among
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Democrat staffers in the most left wing offices to unionize the workforce on Capitol Hill. Think about
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what a terrible idea that would be. But it's actually something that the left wing politicians
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are having to deal with from their even more left wing staff members.
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Yeah, left wing staff members and, of course, the deep state throughout the federal government system.
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That's all they need is to be further and intractably entrenched in their positions, untouchable.
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And it's really what's it's happening, isn't it? The federal employee is becoming an untouchable.
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But it's the inverse of the Indian caste system. The untouchable is the strongest member of the
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No, you're absolutely right. But the Brahmins, those we should lift up and honor most, are those
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great Americans who go out there and put on a uniform every day, who wear their name on their
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shirt. And they want to be treated fairly by this government. It seems like the government is super
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interested in perpetuating itself. But when it comes to the policy choices that actually would
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help regular folks out there doing private sector jobs, picking up the slack where others are just at
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home, cashing the unemployment check, this Biden administration is actually an enemy to those
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folks. And I think that that it is a reason why you see America diminished in the world under this
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Yeah. And where are the world? You know, I, I always seem to have to ask this of you, Matt,
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but where is the Republican leadership right now on these issues? Where are you standing up?
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We lack a vision right now in the Republican party. And frankly, that is because Donald Trump is not
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still in office as our leader, you know, laying out that daily vision, reinforcing it with social media
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messaging, using the understanding of imagery and optics to encourage and inspire the American people
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to will this economy and this nation forward. What you see right now from Republicans is, I think,
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a real identity crisis. There are some who think that if we retake power, it gives us tremendous
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leverage to maybe go and negotiate one or two things. Maybe we get, you know, another, you know,
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few shekels for the wall, or maybe we're able to get a little bit of internal enforcement of
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immigration, but no real, uh, widespread confrontation and opposition to this corrupt
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Biden regime. I've laid out a different vision. I believe that we should start the Republican
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majority by saying every committee is now an oversight committee. Every committee is going
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to investigate the corrupt Biden departments that are pushing critical race theory on people that
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are targeting parents as the department of justice did with an October 4th memo based on messages from
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the national school board association, which have now been rescinded. Uh, and, and, you know,
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throughout even what we're talking about now with the department of labor and the connection to the
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union bosses and the school board memo was incited. I'll use the radical dims, uh, word. It was
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incited by the education secretary, uh, and the school board association to create that piece of
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propaganda. It is disgusting what this administration is doing, uh, whether it's, uh, on Capitol Hill on
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January 6th or whether it is, uh, in fact, uh, on the border with illegal immigration, uh, running
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rampant, the borders wide open. And of course, president Trump talking about his vision, he is sitting
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there at Mar-a-Lago saying to the Republican party, what are you doing? I asked for 10,000 national
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guardsmen on January 6th to help keep order. If they had been there instead of, uh, not being there,
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uh, history would have been quite different. And by the way, that's, that's on Nancy Pelosi and the
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democratic leadership on Capitol Hill. Don't you agree? I do. I don't want to lean too heavily into,
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you know, why did the Democrats not do more to, you know, keep everything safe because they are
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musing that pretext right now, Lou, to launch a broad war against the MAGA movement and against
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the America first movement, whether it's people getting canceled from their banks, whether it's,
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you know, grandmothers in Homer, Alaska getting raided, um, because somehow the feds think she's
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got Nancy Pelosi's laptop, which of course she, she didn't and wasn't even in Washington DC.
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So, so I think that the, the, the smarter questions to ask for Republicans, like, you know,
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why is it that you saw people almost booby trapped with fences taken down people being waved in? And
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are we really in a world where if someone just didn't manifest the intent to commit a crime,
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then we're going to act like we have to lock them up, deprive them of lawyers, deprive them of
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religious services so that we can maintain this fiction, that there's something dangerous about
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Republicans because make no mistake about it, Lou, the entire Democrat strategy for 2022
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is January 6th, 2021. It is, it is totally a look back and they're going to try to scare people
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into thinking that, you know, we, that, that, the, the MAGA grandmother that lives down the street
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from you might be a domestic terrorist. If you don't show up and vote for Democrats in the midterm
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elections. And I think we've got to confront that head on. The Republican leadership in Washington
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tell us, just don't talk about January 6th anymore. Yeah. You wouldn't, you know, that I knew that was
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coming, Matt. I knew that was coming. Yep. You know, and the idea that the smart thing, the idea
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that it's a smart thing, not to look at the facts, I think is entirely wrong. I think you have to look
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at what president and, you know, and think about president Trump's batting average here. Uh, you know,
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Babe Ruth, uh, Mickey Mantle didn't get close. Here's the deal. If we get the
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answer as to why they turned down those 10,000 troops, we can understand that the reason in part
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would be certainly, this is speculation, but could have been because they wanted to create madness on
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that Hill and to divert some of those people and had the FBI in place there to do precisely that.
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That is another question that needs to be answered. And the Republicans keep walking away from the
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opportunity to get the answers. Why in the hell, why in the hell can't the FBI honestly answer
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the U S Congress when it asked how many FBI agents, informants and, uh, and operators did you have in
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that crowd that day? No, not only would they not answer that question, they wouldn't answer an even
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more precise question, which is whether or not any of the federal government's assets agents or
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operatives committed crimes on that day. Exactly. They wouldn't even, they wouldn't even tell you
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that. I mean, you would think it would be quite easy if there wasn't any participation in criminal
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activity for our own law enforcement and national security apparatus to step forward and say,
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we can assure the country, none of our assets, operatives, agents, uh, engaged in any criminal
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activity that day. Full stop. No sources and methods would be compromised. No great leak would
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occur, but they can't say it. And I think that raises very important questions. And the real
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question is whether or not when we get control, we'll have the gumption to get answers because,
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you know, we had the days of Paul Ryan and Trey Dowdy where we had the gavels and we did not send one
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freaking subpoena, not one. And yet I don't hear anyone calling out, uh, calling out, uh,
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Kevin McCarthy who suddenly is coming out with all of this propaganda. He wants this. He wants that.
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He'd like to do this and whatever, uh, some strong statements, but again, no action. Uh, he's running
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for something. And I got to tell you, I still don't trust the man. I think he is a rhino to the bone.
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And I don't believe if the Republican conference doesn't have the guts to get real conservative
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America first leadership into the, uh, into that, uh, uh, Congress, uh, in 2022, uh, I think we're
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lost. And I had to see this nonsense continue. The man is a rhino. He is meek by nature. And we need
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people with vision. As you said, we need people with strength and energy, uh, and, and values that
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matter America first and making America. I have proposed an alternative. I have proposed an
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alternative to Kevin McCarthy. I have committed to nominating Donald Trump for speaker of the house
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when we take the majority. And I've even told the president, you could do the job for about three
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hours. You could walk in there. You could clean out, uh, some of the, uh, I think deep state elements
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that exist on Capitol Hill and, uh, we could realign, you know, behind a person like Jim
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Jordan. Uh, look, I think that that election is a ways away. There's work to be done, but who will
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vote in that election will be the people who win these Republican primaries. And it's a very timely
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conversation we're having right now, Lou, because we're just about to go next month into primary
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season, March 1st, Texas, and that kicks it off. And it runs all the way through New Hampshire in
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August. So that March to August time period, we're going to define what the energy and what the will
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to fight is going to be in the Republican conference. And look, you know, and I know
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this has a lot to do with political money and there's a very corrupt system that is well mechanized
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in place to get money from political action committees and lobbyists and leadership funds,
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you know, into the coffers of people in order to get them to vote a particular way on a leadership
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race that happens. It is, it is straight up. And it's one of the reasons why I'm the only Republican
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in the whole Congress that doesn't take any money from a single lobbyist or a single political action
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committee, no matter what the type, no matter what the kind, because I find the whole thing very swampy.
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Yeah. Swampy, disgusting, abhorrent are words that come to mind. But what I, what I don't understand
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is why he is, why he is even, even there. Tell me why. It's money, Lou. Well, wait a minute,
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wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, let me, let me finish the question a bit because I was
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sorrowfully incomplete there. Why is he there? Since you guys have been working with him for years,
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you know who he is, you know what he is, and you let this charade, you, not you, but the conference
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permits this charade to go on. Who does he think he's fooling and why are, we're sitting here with
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this and Mitch McConnell. If, if president Trump were to take over the speakership, no one would be
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happier than me if it were a sick, but, but the only, if it were a six month stroll through the house
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of representatives and then he gets on to campaign and win 2024. But I, I just, it would be a glorious
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stroll. Well, I mean, I could tell you why it happens. Look, I mean, when we had an election
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following Paul Ryan's departure for who was going to be leader of our conference, Jim Jordan ran and
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Kevin McCarthy ran. Now, do you think Kevin McCarthy offered the more inspirational campaign? Do you think
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Kevin McCarthy had the better message than Jim Jordan? Do you think Kevin McCarthy had more
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compelling moments demonstrating a will to fight than Jim Jordan? Of course not. But you know what
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he did? He raised a hell of a lot more money, tens of millions of dollars more, as a matter of fact.
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And then that money found its way to the benefit of the people who were able to vote in a secret
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ballot. Now I could tell you, I voted for Jim Jordan and yet Jim Jordan was beat by a margin of about
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two to one in that election. So, I mean, this is not like some great mystery, how it happens.
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It is a pay for play system on Capitol Hill with members of both parties. That is how the leadership
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is selected. And I, the alternative I'm offering is vision is to say, let's, you know, let's get
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everybody agreeing to convert these committees to oversight committees. And then let's hold the
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leadership to account because I don't care who gets the big titles. I care who actually does the work
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and actually sit, you know, gets the witnesses before the country to show our fellow Americans
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that their pains are connected to a corrupt regime. Okay. I've got, you know, I don't often argue
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about something, but I'm going to argue about that. The Speaker of the House and the majority leader in
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the Senate are powerful, powerful jobs. And that's true. And constitutionally, even more important.
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And I want you to worry. And I want every Republican to worry about who in the hell we're sending into
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that house of representatives, because in off-year elections, as you well know, Congressman,
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the incumbent president loses on average 26 seats in that house. And I, it's looking like every
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pollster I respect is saying this is going to be a quote unquote wave election. And it really does
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matter who you send. One more rhino. I could use names here, but they are sickening and they're
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disgusting. And what they're doing to their districts and the people they represent is horrific. And the
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Republican party has got to be sure that they are taking responsibility for whom they're electing.
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And I do mean the party, not Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy.
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Well, that starts with the activists who send us victors in primary elections to represent our
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party. And if we get the firebrands, if we get the fighters, if we get the MAGA America first crew
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through, we've got the best opportunity to impact this place. And people should be encouraged. It
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actually doesn't take, you know, that many people. I mean, you look at the squad, the squad started as
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four people. And now the entire democratic party looks and sounds like the squad. So we should maybe
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take a page out of their playbook and use aggressive communication tools, call out people
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with their inconsistent with our values, engage in primaries to get the right candidates over the
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line. And then I believe we could be a rudder for the Republican conference and get us going in the
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right direction. I think you're exactly right in that. I, I, the problem is exactly what you
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enunciated at the beginning. There is a lack of vision. Uh, there's no contract with America or for
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America. There is no, uh, green plan. There is no, uh, like, uh, IOC, no, uh, no leader for the,
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for the ideological energy within the conference. And that's crazy. And it's time for it to be fixed.
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And by the way, I've got to give Kevin McCarthy is doing one thing. He publicly, he publicly divested
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the chamber of commerce from, uh, from the, uh, Republican, uh, conference. Now do, now should I
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believe him or is this just more, uh, you know, cosmetic paint on the wall? Well, there are many
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Republicans who are wringing their hands and wetting their beds in hopes that the PACs and special
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interests will return to donating to them. And what you and I both know is that there is a complex web
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of shell committees and leadership PACs, uh, and, you know, five 27 organizations that all this money
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is, it's quite fungible and it shifts around, you know, so some people, they don't take corporate
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PAC money, but they take ideological PAC money. And it, and it all is kind of emitting from the same
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place, the same people who are funding entities like the U S chamber of commerce, a group that seems
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to fight for everything except the U S and her commerce. Uh, and that's why I think the entire
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K street experience for Republicans should be divested. If the Democrats and the woke corporations
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and the special interests want each other, let them have each other. And let's go out there and
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get hardworking Americans who love our country. Let's reset this political map. Let's go win and
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compete in States in the Midwest and the American Southwest, like we never have before. And let's,
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let's bring people into that vision of oversight of the Biden regime, and then a return to the
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policies, principles, and style that Donald Trump brought to our great nation. If you guys waste this
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election, I will never ever forgive the Republican party because this president has been a disaster from
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a through Z. Uh, he has made every mistake that imaginable. He is a disgrace. Uh, and, and if you
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if your party, if your party messes this up, I, I, I mean, it's, I don't know if the party would
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survive. Well, if we can't, if we can't win this one, we probably won't survive. I mean,
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we have every tailwind. Now we just got to get out there and do it. Absolutely. I got to ask you
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just very quickly, your thoughts about, uh, Trudeau in Canada and his, uh, his rather let them eat cake
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view of, uh, Canadian truckers. And do you think that we're going to see, uh, a contagion, uh, that
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will extend to lower North America, that is into the United States and see our truckers, uh, ever
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respond to the same way that the Canadian truckers had to do. But fortunately, our truckers haven't
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been treated as badly yet, but courage is contagious. And whether it's, you know, the flight
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attendants or the pilots or, uh, the, uh, police or the nurses, uh, who have stood up against these
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mandates, I'm in solidarity with all of them. You know, with, uh, with Trudeau, it seems like
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he's got either a dose of COVID-19 or coward 19 who can even tell anymore. Um, but the, the, you know,
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utilization of the government to punish the working people of the country is typically not something
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that ends well over the course of human history. And our neighbors to the North should take note of
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that. And by the way, we should also take note that the American people are first afraid of their
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own government right now, whether it is an attorney general talking about domestic terrorists, as he
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describes, uh, parents in a school board meeting who get unruly because they're protesting the treatment
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of their children, or whether it is a lack of, of, of community control over city governments,
00:26:05.820
because the unions have taken over because the left has decided to dominate at every level.
00:26:13.540
Uh, it goes on and on, uh, and government as the enemy of the people is a dangerous thing,
00:26:20.020
as you point out. And it is exactly a danger, a prominent danger right now in America. Unfortunately,
00:26:25.620
as always, uh, Congressman, we give our guests the last word, and this is your opportunity. And thanks.
00:26:31.800
Thanks Congressman for being with us. Hey, thanks for having me on. Thanks for being, uh, such a,
00:26:38.140
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00:26:43.400
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00:26:48.480
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00:26:54.740
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00:27:09.820
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00:27:17.080
Thank you. Congressman Matt Gates, a great American. He is, uh, I would like the Republican party to take
00:27:24.220
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being with us. We're going to continue with the great America show. Please stay with us. We'll be
00:27:47.520
right back. You know, this may not be certainly typical of this show, but wow. I just have to
00:27:55.920
start with Joe Rogan, man. When you have 2 zillion people following your podcast, some of those crazy
00:28:03.040
haters on the fringe, the fringe left will certainly go crazy. And that's what we're witnessing. And
00:28:10.780
there's some positive developments I want to share with you. And the last week, uh, you know, over the
00:28:15.960
last week, I was pleased to see a few folks step up for Joe Rogan, uh, and support him, including
00:28:22.080
the rock Dwayne Johnson, the rock. Then it's discovered Joe Rogan had said some ugly things
00:28:29.400
over the years. One particular word, a racial slur that he acknowledges. He said, and he also
00:28:36.720
apologized and it, you could tell it was heartfelt, but it turns out the rock. Isn't the rock.
00:28:45.160
Isn't a rock. I mean, very disappointing to me. I thought he was standing up for a pal
00:28:51.140
and maybe the first amendment even. And then he hears that Joe Rogan had used a racial slur
00:28:57.560
on his podcast from years past. And the rock almost immediately shrinks to pebble size and
00:29:05.880
backs away from Joe. Not a good move. And certainly not a good look rock. Can I still call you rock?
00:29:13.120
Should I call you rock? I think probably not now, but we'll be talking about the Spotify CEO, Daniel
00:29:21.500
Eck, who finally stood up for Rogan, shut down the leftist cannibals who are trying to devour
00:29:28.520
Joe Rogan. You know, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and their ilk. We'll be talking about the CEO who
00:29:36.460
is shutting down the cancel culture on his platform, Spotify. Speaking of rocks, a shout out to Steve
00:29:43.680
Bannon, who is the creator and host of the powerhouse podcast, Bannon's war room. I want to
00:29:50.200
thank him for having me on his highly successful, hugely successful war room. I was a guest on the
00:29:56.600
war room last Friday, even though Steve and I are old friends and we look at the world in amazingly
00:30:02.120
similar ways. I was struck by just how much fun it can be to sit down with someone in an interview
00:30:08.540
with whom you have agreement rather than disagreement. It was fun to be talking with a
00:30:14.820
kindred spirit, a patriot, a conservative, plain spoken. As they say, Steve and I are simpatico and a
00:30:22.220
hoot it was. Thanks again, Steve. Appreciate it. And now I want to bring in Dom Giardano,
00:30:28.120
radio talk show host, a Philadelphia radio legend. He started out as an elementary and high school
00:30:34.800
teacher, and now he's one of the hundred most influential radio talk hosts in the entire country.
00:30:42.680
Dom, great to have you with us here on the Great America Show. How are you, my friend?
00:30:47.200
Well, tremendous, Lou. Thank you very much. And one of those things with radio is when I would sit
00:30:52.940
in for Lou Dobbs, that was a big jump for me. Well, you're kind to say that. You know, you and I
00:30:58.740
have been friends a long time. We've been in this broadcasting stuff a long time. And I don't think
00:31:07.600
I've ever seen a situation where anyone as successful as Joe Rogan, who is delivering an audience that would
00:31:15.440
be unthinkable in broadcasting and radio or television, either one, in any other medium.
00:31:20.900
And here he is being attacked from every quarter. Oh, wait a minute. Not every quarter. It's just
00:31:28.160
from the left. The left who were once, you know, I'm a product of the 60s. The left once was all about
00:31:34.740
free speech, free spirits, free thought. And now they're coming at people like fascists. Your reaction?
00:31:45.760
Yeah, Lou, I've been asking that question, too, particularly with Neil Young. I don't impute to
00:31:50.060
say Neil Young just to get his name out there or whatever, or Howard Stern. But there are people
00:31:56.180
that now that used to be counterculture or at least freedom of speech for whatever reason that now revel
00:32:04.180
in this authoritarianism, which is sometimes petty, sometimes severe. I've had on some national people
00:32:11.300
talking about this. We still don't know what the motivation is with this type of virtue signaling.
00:32:16.840
But the thing that jumps out of me are the number of conservatives who have been principled
00:32:23.420
on Whoopi Goldberg, for example, and have said, look, we don't like where she was going with this
00:32:28.480
stuff on the Holocaust, certainly. Everyone knows trying to diminish that or coming up with this,
00:32:36.740
I'm sorry. Not calling for her to be fired. Not saying anything like that. Understanding
00:32:42.420
that in the heat of things, people may make mistakes or sometimes say things that they have
00:32:49.820
to apologize for. And if they do apologize, we ought to move on. But there are this gang on the other
00:32:57.200
side that I believe, Lou, part of it is it's kind of like an avocation for some of these people,
00:33:03.540
meaning this is what they it's like a hobby I've seen up close. It's always another target,
00:33:10.040
always bringing someone else down and celebrating that. And Rogan is even under fire from a weekend
00:33:17.560
host on MSNBC. Oh, no, not a weekend host on MSNBC. Bringing all of that awesome NBC power to bear.
00:33:27.020
I mean, the guy I mean, they don't have an audience during the week, let alone on the weekend.
00:33:32.440
Well, that may be true. But I found this to be unusual. It wasn't the usual line of attack.
00:33:37.320
She thought, how does an ordinary guy like this get 11 million people on podcasts? Something's wrong
00:33:43.300
with that. There's a jealousy factor here to Lou, I think they can't understand why a lot of people
00:33:49.580
would listen to talk radio, listen to your podcast, or Joe Rogan's podcast. They resent that part of it
00:33:57.880
deep down, too. Yeah, well, you know, they're small people, they're petty people. But you know what,
00:34:03.000
I don't give them a pass. I don't give Joni Mitchell a pass or Neil Young, or any of the other
00:34:09.660
virtue signaling cannibals of the left. I mean, they're really going after Rogan, just simply
00:34:19.120
because they think they can. They want relevance. I don't know. I'm not going to psychoanalyze them.
00:34:24.820
I'm just going to say they're very, to me, they're being very ugly. There's absolutely no room in this
00:34:32.760
country for those who want to shut down the thoughts and expression of fellow citizens.
00:34:39.660
This is a free country with free expression. And you know, you know, nothing offends me quite as
00:34:45.880
much as somebody burning the flag or disrespecting the flag. I mean, I went, it drove me nuts to watch
00:34:53.520
those athletes in the NBA and to listen to some of their ridiculous remarks on the sidelines of NFL
00:35:03.040
games kneeling. I mean, that's, I was offended. Let me tell you. And by the way,
00:35:09.660
I'm just one of tens of millions of people in this country who were offended. Why isn't there that
00:35:15.020
same reaction to when we're offended? Should we, I mean, did we go out, you know, asking people to
00:35:22.540
throw them off the football team? No. Or the basketball team, whatever it was. We didn't.
00:35:30.860
We expressed our concern, our alarm, and our disgust at what they were doing. So why in the world do we
00:35:40.440
tolerate the left, simply because they're the left, acting and behaving in such disgustingly un-American
00:35:49.540
ways? Well, Lou, I think we are, it's a slow but short process. We're seeing more independents,
00:35:56.920
more other people say, you know what, this has gone way too far. The only group that I'm worried
00:36:03.720
about, though, very worried about, are people of college age and a little bit beyond. They are still
00:36:10.260
steeped in this. There's going to take a lot of years to get them out of it. In polling, they agree
00:36:16.020
with cancel culture. I mean, they, at the university of Georgetown University, we have the law school
00:36:23.040
people wanting to have a place to cry because of a law professor Shapiro, who's a libertarian,
00:36:29.560
remarking, a place to cry and reparations because this guy says something about Biden
00:36:37.420
and a Supreme Court pick in a pretty elevated way, challenging the idea of affirmative action or what
00:36:44.460
appears to be affirmative action. That's the, those are the people I worry about that have been steeped
00:36:50.360
in this for their entire childhood and now even through law school. But beyond that, we are seeing
00:36:57.320
a pushback on this. And I think, as I said, conservatives not jumping in on Whoopi Goldberg,
00:37:02.560
for example, are setting an example and then using that as a launch point to attack cancel culture.
00:37:11.240
Yeah. You know, launch points, all of that is, as I would expect from you, it's very sophisticated,
00:37:16.520
but I'm, I'm more of a, a direct fella on, on a lot of things. Whoopi Goldberg said what she said.
00:37:23.660
If ABC doesn't like it, it's their, their shop. They can pull the pin if they want to. I think
00:37:29.640
they're doggone fools if they do, because she has an audience. She is, I mean, that program is about
00:37:37.220
being provocative. It's about outrageous ideas that if you wanted to really get serious about politics
00:37:43.860
and society, I don't think you would pick those four or five people as the leading intellectual
00:37:50.120
luminaries that you might want to have assess, analyze, and recommend for their conclusions.
00:37:58.100
I just don't think it's, that's the point. The point is it's entertainment. Take it for what it is.
00:38:03.500
Uh, and that brings us to Daniel Eck, who finally I said last week, Daniel Eck, your first job as CEO
00:38:10.940
of Spotify is to stand up for your talent, for your artists, for your performers. And you know that
00:38:18.600
they had him so far, I think on the run, I think it took him a while to get a speed under him,
00:38:23.460
but he finally stands up and says, we're not canceling Joe Rogan. We're not going to give in.
00:38:29.860
These are my words. He didn't say this, but this is the effect of what he said.
00:38:34.000
We're not going to give in to these, this cannibalistic bloodlust on the part of the left.
00:38:40.060
Uh, and so it's, uh, you know, I have to say to him, congratulations. And thank you for standing
00:38:46.320
up for the first amendment for Joe Rogan for free speech. Your thoughts. Oh, absolutely. Lou. And,
00:38:53.000
uh, I've seen that, uh, he's been rewarded at least in the short term. The stock is up 15%. There are good
00:38:59.200
signs, but the New York times editorial page. Now they have a new thing. They say they're calling
00:39:06.120
all out on Taylor Swift to take her music away from Spotify. And let us not forget as a backdrop,
00:39:17.980
Mr. The president and first, the former first lady they're on Spotify. They have not pulled out.
00:39:23.920
They have not publicly threatened to pull out. And the New York times editorial, he's got a,
00:39:29.020
he's got a big mansion in Hawaii to pay for it. Now he's gotta be, he's gotta be thoughtful here.
00:39:34.280
By the way, did you see that scowling face he had when he was with the sea wall wasn't going well
00:39:39.500
there? Yes. Yeah. I, it's kind of a strange thing that this man who was all about climate change and,
00:39:45.300
uh, and builds his mansions and buys his mansions right next to the ocean. He doesn't seem to be
00:39:51.760
too worried about all of that, uh, climate change and higher seas as a result. I, and he's standing
00:39:58.280
there without a mask and everybody around him, by the way, if there's any confusion here, we're
00:40:03.140
talking about Barack Obama, former president of the United States, standing there scowling about the
00:40:08.940
work apparently that his architects and his builders were doing. Well, they're the part of the New York
00:40:14.480
times editorial that really got me at the end though, is where I come down with, uh, Rogan and
00:40:20.520
that is the health of the country. They say is at risk with this guy. This is how preposterous it's
00:40:27.180
gotten that, uh, people actually believe that people listening to Rogan think they're getting
00:40:32.920
medical advice mainly. And when I've listened, because I'm intrigued, Lou is a talk radio host,
00:40:39.240
what he does to draw this number of people. He has endorsed Mrs. Obama.
00:40:44.480
As a presidential candidate, he likes a lot of Bernie Sanders ideas. He talks a lot about drug
00:40:50.800
legalization of one sort or another. He's a Democrat for crying out loud.
00:40:55.560
Yes. And mixed martial arts thrown in. So the idea that he's fixated on COVID,
00:41:01.960
he reminds me a lot in a different kind of way and a roguish kind of a little bit different than
00:41:07.120
Larry King, who used to say, I'm not prepared at all. I just want to learn and throw the ball to a
00:41:12.720
guest or two. I wouldn't recommend it to do that as a talk host, but there's that authentic appeal
00:41:18.980
to this. And he's kind of an every man. Yeah. I got to say, I've got to, Tom, you got me
00:41:26.140
defending Joe Rogan in more than one way. And I, I'm defending him in terms of his right to free
00:41:31.960
expression, uh, and the first amendment and what he said, uh, and his slurs that he made are, uh,
00:41:40.080
you know, regrettable and he regrets them and he apologized, but the man has a sensibility, uh, and
00:41:47.320
a, uh, an intellect. Uh, and I think he does a terrific job. I mean, I just really do. I, in this
00:41:55.200
case, I would say 200 million people can't be wrong about this guy. I mean, this is an unprecedented
00:42:00.860
audience. Uh, and Larry King, by the way, he meant exactly what he said. He didn't know. I, you know,
00:42:07.420
I knew Larry worked with Larry for years, 20 years. He didn't do a, he didn't do an ounce
00:42:13.540
of research on anything or anyone. And what I meant is that, uh, Rogan is not a doctrinary.
00:42:20.700
He's not trying to indoctrinate anybody about anything as far as I can tell. Oh, I think
00:42:25.040
that's absolutely true. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's, it's not a time in our country for people will
00:42:31.220
be telling others what to do because, you know, these mandates, and I'm not talking about just
00:42:35.920
the overt authoritarian mandates of the CDC, the NIH, the white house, this white house
00:42:42.180
in particular, uh, I'm talking about anybody who is sitting there insisting that somebody
00:42:47.000
think the way you think as Joni Michel and young, who are they, uh, to, to the arrogance
00:42:54.980
of it all, uh, isn't anybody offended by just outright ball face arrogance and the abuse
00:43:02.560
of their, uh, their public positions, uh, as performers, artists, talent, it's, it's outrageous
00:43:10.420
because they just aren't the people you're going to go to, uh, for consideration on a
00:43:16.060
host of issues. I might go to them. I wouldn't might if it were about music, if it was about,
00:43:22.140
uh, uh, songwriting, you know, I'd be all about listening to them. Uh, but the rest of it,
00:43:27.680
you know, uh, as I said, a product of the sixties, I've been there, I've seen that, uh, and the left
00:43:34.120
is becoming increasingly fascististic rather than, uh, more American and it's un-American
00:43:40.940
to go in the direction we're headed. I think let's turn to, uh, the Stacey Abrams of that horrible
00:43:48.520
picture, uh, in the front of a class of children, they look to be somewhere around, I'm going to
00:43:55.480
guess six or seven years of age, uh, all in mask. And she is sitting, sitting there, uh, without a
00:44:02.700
mask beaming in the midst of those children. And you're not supposed to put kids that young
00:44:08.680
in mass. It's just not done carbon dioxide. It affects their minds. Uh, it's not, it's just
00:44:16.080
outrageous what they're insisting on doing. Uh, and people seem to be just clueless, whatever the
00:44:23.480
school of thought, whatever the policies, uh, it's terrible. Stacey Abrams with those kids, Obama with
00:44:29.280
those, uh, workers, Gavin Newsom with Magic Johnson, uh, the mayor of Los Angeles holding his breath.
00:44:35.940
He said he didn't, he didn't inhale anything. So what do you think? Uh, Lou, exactly. And, uh,
00:44:44.660
I think Abrams and she's right about this, uh, gets a pass, the media principally. She's able to do
00:44:51.220
this. The kids are not at risk. She might be more at risk if she believes in your people have said,
00:44:57.580
yeah, she does believe in wearing a mask. They tried to say she only took it off to speak. And
00:45:02.740
that appears to be not true here in Philadelphia, Philadelphia public schools are now demanding
00:45:09.700
starting today in N95 or something like an N95 mask. They've gone beyond the cloth mask. I only wore
00:45:17.580
that a little last week just to see for an hour or so what it would be like. It's ghastly and to take
00:45:23.860
little ones, first grade, second grade, kindergarten, and expect them seven or eight hours a day to do
00:45:30.420
that, to be able to focus, to pay attention, et cetera. Philadelphia public schools has a lot bigger
00:45:35.640
problems, but that's on paper what they demanded starting today. Yeah. And some jurisdictions are saying
00:45:41.700
to their school children, no more masks. It's, uh, it's outrageous. They're, they're not the ones
00:45:47.600
who've been sick. They're not the ones who have been, uh, uh, for whom the disease is, uh, most lethal.
00:45:54.160
Uh, this is, there's been this ridiculous attempt on the part of the CDC government, uh, to, to make it
00:46:02.940
one size fits all the same advice, the same shot, the same vaccine, the same, uh, uh, priorities for
00:46:11.040
all, for everyone, except when they put together the order for the vaccine, they went with those most
00:46:18.480
vulnerable populations first. That is the older folks, uh, 75 and older than 65 and older, 50 and
00:46:26.780
older. And the reality is we know what the reality is. The, the, does the virus was not affecting
00:46:34.460
children. And what was affecting children were the shutdowns, the mass, and the terrible indifference
00:46:42.140
on the part of our public health officials to the wellbeing of the most underserved, uh, communities
00:46:48.140
in this country. It's outrageous. And this business of listening to government, like, uh, it's the fount
00:46:54.220
of all wisdom and truth when in fact, it is the opposite in most, in most cases.
00:47:00.740
I agree. And Lou, the thing that gets me as a former teacher, the teachers unions, the one silver
00:47:06.760
lining in this have outed themselves forever. Randy Weingarten, particularly the AFT, but the
00:47:11.880
anyway, they are clearly now seen by more and more people. I have people that said, well, I vaguely
00:47:18.080
didn't like the teachers union, but everybody deserves a right to a representative on the national
00:47:23.260
level now. So my hope is that some teachers are starting to push back, but it's very difficult,
00:47:28.900
very difficult in a school. When you have one of these giant organizations, Weingarten though,
00:47:34.480
has had to delete a lot of tweets and the, uh, the unions have been a driving force. I think it's just
00:47:40.160
a power thing to say, remember, we shut these schools down. We can do it again. When a contract comes
00:47:45.980
up. You know what? It's time for everybody to understand until parents in this country to take
00:47:52.060
charge and risk being called a domestic terrorist, by the way, if they raise their voice at a school
00:47:57.240
board meeting or a County supervisor's meeting in some jurisdictions. Uh, but certainly the attorney
00:48:03.820
general will, uh, thinks of unruly parents as domestic terrorists. We've got a government that's
00:48:10.620
working against us. And when you say it's a power thing, I want to be more, I think I'd like to be
00:48:16.620
more specific. This is a question of who runs this country and parents are going to run the schools.
00:48:24.320
Parents and the community are going to run those schools. Not, not Randy Weingarten and the, uh,
00:48:31.280
Federation of Teachers and the NEA. Uh, there's nothing, there's no way to pussyfoot around this.
00:48:37.840
This is a pure raw political power issue that, uh, is pitting the Biden administration against
00:48:45.960
every American who wants his and her freedom and wants their families safe and protected
00:48:52.000
from that level of government interference. Yeah, Lou. And where I am in Pennsylvania,
00:48:58.940
we bring on a woman who won 133 school board seats in November in the last go round organizing across the
00:49:06.580
state. It was the year of making school boards into a major deal. These boring type of things
00:49:14.380
they drone on. Usually these became incredible here. And you're right. Parents have taken power
00:49:20.840
back. They're running for school board. They're on school boards. They're monitoring this. They're
00:49:25.660
opening up debates about some of the books that have been involved here. And most times the questions
00:49:31.800
on some of these books have been legitimate. I don't endorse everyone, but most debates have been
00:49:37.200
really, we're going to do that with eight to 10 year olds, that type of approach. It's all opened up and
00:49:43.120
politically Democrats have basically been defending the side of the school boards, et cetera. That is an
00:49:51.400
issue that brings suburbanites to listen again to what the Republican party should be about and can be
00:49:57.480
about. And Republican, Democrat, if a school board isn't listening to parents and putting their
00:50:04.460
students first, then that's a problem. And that problem should be resolved. And those people should
00:50:10.580
be moved off that board. Those teachers should be moved out of that school. That administration
00:50:15.420
should be moved out. And we can't have a situation that we do now in this country where the teachers
00:50:21.760
unions have such immense power that they basically are entrenched. Now, what I'd like to know is,
00:50:29.320
do you think it's about time that everybody understood that the Biden administration is
00:50:34.540
trying to seize control of the federal government, the deep state for the Democratic Party in perpetuity
00:50:41.180
with its efforts to unionize 3 million, over 3 million federal employees and the millions of
00:50:48.760
contractors that support the federal government? This is outrageous.
00:50:55.280
I would agree. I don't know day to day with Biden, Lou. It's very hard to tell what he knows and what
00:51:01.700
he doesn't know. But certainly the people around him, the ones we know and others, this is what they're
00:51:07.200
all about. They see the window closing, but the midterms coming up. This is their generational shot
00:51:13.000
to cement these things. And once they're in there, like Obamacare, we know how difficult it is to
00:51:18.680
get rid of them. Well, we do know one thing. The teachers unions are entrenched, and every school
00:51:25.140
district in the country that is not run by the left is in desperate need of removing those unions
00:51:32.480
to work as hard as they can to return local control, parental control, citizen control to their school
00:51:41.460
boards, to their communities. Dom, as always on this, on this podcast, we, we give the guests are
00:51:48.600
the final word. And if you will, take it away. Well, Lou, thank you very much. My final word is
00:51:56.900
the Great America Show is everything I thought it would be with Lou. And I'm so thrilled to see you
00:52:02.240
involved in this. Tough act to follow. I don't know, your last guest may have been President Trump.
00:52:07.700
And I've never seen a more exciting time, Lou, despite what we talked about, all the downside,
00:52:14.820
what the left is up to. I look at how the left is now having to say they didn't say defund police,
00:52:21.700
and the stuff that President Biden's trying to do on this. I have a lot of hope going forward.
00:52:27.120
And this podcast, I think, is a great vehicle. I know how much our listeners appreciate it. So,
00:52:35.180
Lou, thank you, as always. It's always an honor to be with you.
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Dom, thank you. I appreciate it, old friend. All the best to you. Have fun, and we'll talk soon.
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Dom Giordano. Appreciate it. And thanks for being with us. We appreciate it. We wish you the very best
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until we meet again, hopefully tomorrow. Please, please join us then. God bless you all, and God
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bless America. Join us again tomorrow for the Great America Podcast. Stay in the fight. Truth,
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justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.