GEORGIA PROBES BOGUS BALLOTS; DEM MARXISTS RIP USA
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A new development in one of the contested states in the 2020 election may yet give us insight and some answers, and even possibly motivate a broader nationwide demand for truth and honesty in our electoral system. So reports John Solomon of Just the News.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs,
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always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
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And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
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Welcome to this edition of the Great America Show. Great to have you with us. And we have
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for you much more on the election of 2020. Well, what did I say? The election of 2020?
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I know we're not supposed to talk about that, talk about the integrity of our elections. That's not
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done here in 2022. Or in the case of 2020, we shouldn't be talking about the lack of integrity.
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Big tech and social media oligarchs, well, they're not happy when we talk about their censorship or
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their ban of anyone who fails to follow the national left-wing narrative. 2020, they say,
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is, well, it's over, done. And Joe Biden won. And both statements are actually true and not in
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dispute as far as I'm concerned. But what is in dispute is how did Biden win and why have so many
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agencies and courts and various jurisdictions refused to investigate what were clearly irregularities,
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anomalies of various sorts and kinds, fraud, and simple outrages in the 2020 election?
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Did any of those or all of those questionable events or occurrences result in enough of an impact
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on the vote to change the outcome significantly? Sufficient to have put a man in the Oval Office
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who didn't belong there? Now, that's an interesting question. I don't know the answer, but I do know
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that lots of questions, including that one, have gone unanswered from 2020. Too many in authority have
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refused to investigate that election despite the obvious, let's call them problems. And that is
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simply the truth. But a new development in one of the contested states in the 2020 election
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may yet give us insight and some answers and even possibly motivate a broader nationwide demand for truth
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and honesty. Yes, and integrity in our electoral system. The Secretary of State of Georgia has now
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called for an investigation of claims that illegal vote harvesting in the state may have altered the
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outcome of Georgia's election. So reports a man who is always seeking the truth, John Solomon of Just
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the News. And John, welcome to the Great America Show, and congratulations on what looks to be a great
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story. How big a story is it? How big a development is it in your judgment?
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Think about it. It was a year ago this month, Lou, that Brad Rausenberger, the Secretary of State,
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went on 60 Minutes and said, I thought we had a fair and secure and safe election. And he has
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maintained that line. But in recent weeks, he has become privy to information provided by a group
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called True the Vote, run by a conservative woman named Catherine Engelbrecht, that points at a very
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large potential illegal harvesting campaign. So people may not know what harvesting is. It is when
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a third party goes and collects other people's ballots and then takes them to the ballot box and
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drops them in. In most states, California being a rare exception, because California is so different,
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most states make that unlawful. It's illegal to take another party's ballot and deliver it for them.
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What Catherine Engelbrecht found when she went out and got millions of minutes of
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videotape that covered these boxes, the surveillance cameras covering these boxes,
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was that people were coming at between 12 o'clock in the morning and five in the morning,
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an odd time for someone to be voting, and bringing large stacks of ballots. And I've seen some of this
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video footage. And sometimes they have so many in their hand, they're dropping them on the ground,
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they can't keep them all together. And then they're shoving, stuffing these absentee ballots into
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the box. That's clearly what is known under the law to be harvesting. Now, Catherine went further.
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She went and got the cell phone ping data, what we call it. It's called geospatial data for cell
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phones. That showed these cell phones of these activists at the box at the very moment you see them
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on the camera. So the FBI does this when they're putting together a terror case, or when they're
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putting together a murder case. They'll go out and buy commercial data and show, you know, Joe Smith was
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at the murder scene. His cell phone was right there when we say that that's the guy in the video you see
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shooting the victim. Well, that's what she did. She went out and got this. And what she found were
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there were 242 people who made a total of more than 5,000 trips to these drop boxes, these ballot
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drop boxes in Georgia between the November election, and then the January runoff where the US Senate was
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decided. That is a mass ballot harvesting scheme, according to her. And she went one step further.
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And I think this is what got Rafsenberger so interested. They were able to secure testimony
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and admission from one of the ballot harvesters. He sat with them and met with them for several
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hours. And absolutely, I was paid by a bunch of nonprofits. I'd go around each night, collect
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ballots from these nonprofit groups, and I'd walk them over to the ballot box, drop them in. We'd turn
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around, take a picture of ourselves at the drop box so we could get paid. And I got paid $10 every time
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for every ballot that I dropped into that box. The guy, I believe, made something like $45,000,
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which means he harvested 4,500 ballots, nearly half of the difference between Joe Biden and Donald
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Trump. That's just one of the 242 people who made 5,000 trips. So that data was given in the form of
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a complaint to Brad Rafsenberger. And he came on my podcast today and said, this is serious stuff.
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It's credible. I'm investigating it. And I may be issuing subpoenas in the next few days.
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Well, it's a huge story. And I guess at this point, as we look at this, what is the potential
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here for ballot harvesting? That is, how many ballots? And it sounds like it would dwarf the
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margin that Trump lost by. And I'm talking about a margin of some 12,000 votes.
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Right. This sounds like tens of thousands of votes.
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That's what the complaint alleges. If you assume that each time a person came, they delivered
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somewhere between 10 and 20 ballots, which is what the witness said he would deliver each night,
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you'd have 50,000 to 60,000 ballots among those 5,000 plus trips that were made by those 242 alleged
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ballot traffickers. And so it is of a scale that could have clearly impacted the election. And also,
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Catherine's team at True the Vote only focused on five urban counties around Atlanta. It doesn't
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even look at other parts of the state. And so this is of a scale and a size that could have been
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impactful to the outcome of the election. I think that's one of the things that
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Brad Rassenberger is cognizant of. The first thing is he's got to secure the data,
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got to get the names, got to interview people and confirm this happened. Then the next step would
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be prosecutions. You prosecute some of the people. Some of that's already going on in Arizona,
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where Mark Brnovich, the attorney general, has indicted more than a half dozen people
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for illegal ballot harvesting. And in the most recent court filings, there are suggestions that
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Arizona believes this was a widespread thing, not just six people, maybe a more orchestrated thing.
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And I'm being told, and I've now done some interviews, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, there's also
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similar evidence. We could have four battleground states we're talking about involved in harvesting in
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the next couple of months. Now, this is really stunning stuff. True the Vote is one of the most
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outstanding voter integrity organizations, a non-profit in the country. I've worked with
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them for, what, 20 years? Absolutely. And they have great credibility. There should be no issue here
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whatsoever with their credibility. The question will be, how persuasive is it to judges and a jury,
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I suppose? But this is, and Raffensperte, when did he get this information? And when did he make
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his decision based on that information? Because they've been saying this for some time, have they
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not? They have. And, you know, I think one of the mistakes, if I called that, you know, my reporting
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indicates it's a mistake. Originally, Catherine and her group took this to Governor Kemp, and Governor
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Kemp just kind of fumbled this, really wasn't that interested in it, didn't try to get a subpoena,
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sent it to the GBI. GBI said, if you don't volunteer to us, we're moving on, we're not
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interested. And, but just in the last few weeks, you know, late October into November, there were
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meetings between Catherine Engelbrecht and Raffensperte staff, and a formal complaint was filed on November
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30th. And within a couple of weeks, even with the holidays and everything else, Raffensperte said,
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we're going full bore. This investigation has been ongoing, my reporting indicates, for a couple
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of weeks now. So within a couple of weeks of the complaint, they were already going full bore. And
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I think that's important. The idea that they may be at the subpoena level next tells you that they've
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advanced the investigation beyond preliminary. Let me go back to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation,
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which has a good reputation as an investigative agency. They're very good. Not, what was the reason
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that they would not move forward with at least an investigation in this based on through the votes
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I think they wanted True the Vote to volunteer all the names and all the work that they had
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done. And there are some legal issues when you're dealing with the compilation of cell phone records
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of video footage. And I think True the Vote would have preferred to have a subpoena to turn this
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information over so it was covered by a legal protection. And rather than resolve that, rather
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than being curious or aggressive like GBI or Governor Kemp could have been, they kind of just said,
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all right, you don't want to cooperate and turn this things over willy-nilly. We're moving on.
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That, you know, that's fine between the dispute between two groups, but it doesn't serve the voters
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of Georgia really well. These were serious allegations. Anyone who saw the video footage
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can say, well, I see a person stuffing 20 ballots in the box. That's not right. I think the lack of
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curiosity is 100. But you're right. GBI is a very respected news, a very respected law enforcement
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organization, does great work. You've seen this with both the FBI and GBI. These political cases
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involving elections, these law enforcement people are a little nervous to touch it. But the Secretary
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of State is the right place for this investigation to occur. He's the enforcer of laws. And it's
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important to remind people, because Rafsenberger got a bad rap with the Trump people after the
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November election. But in 2019, Brad Rafsenberger went to the legislature and said, you know what,
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I think Democrats are going to try to illegally harvest in the state. And our laws are a little
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squishy. He got the legislature in 2019, ahead of the 2020 election, to outlaw more explicitly any form
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of harvesting. And so he got a tougher law in place. Then Stacey Abrams went about and Mark Elias,
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the other Democrats, they went about and said, we do want to do these drop boxes. And he said, okay,
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if you could do the drop boxes, I want to guard against harvesting. So I want cameras on every box.
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And so he forced the counties to put cameras on the boxes. But here's where he dropped the ball.
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He didn't ever look at the footage. So the election passes, he never goes and does an audit
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of the footage. What good is the video footage if you don't look at it? Thankfully, Catherine did
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and delivered the sort of evidence that now warrants an investigation.
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And Governor Kemp has, as the saying goes in Georgia, some splaining to do. Because of the
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reticence of the GBI, everyone will be very curious about what was the governor's posture
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with his agency that reports to him, the GBI I'm referring to.
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Yeah, absolutely. Listen, I mean, again, maybe the governor is not the right place to go, right?
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The governor does the political policy, law enforcement agencies are the right place. And
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in election law, the Secretary of State is the right repository for a complaint like this. I think
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at the end of the day, it landed at the right place and the right people are looking at it. Now,
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let's hope they do the job thoroughly. Because the video footage I've seen,
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some of the cell phone record data analysis I've seen is very strong. And by the way,
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this cell phone data analysis is called geospatial location data. The FBI uses this a lot now to
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solve national security cases. You can buy this data from third party brokers and assemble a pattern
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of life for a defendant or a suspect. And they solve crimes and they stop terror attacks using this
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data. It's very respected form of investigation. And Catherine's people did it pretty well. And we're
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going to see how the Secretary of State does with it. Well, former President Trump was, it appears,
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wrong about Raffensperger, but certainly on target with Governor Kemp. This is deeply disturbing that
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he did not take great initiative. Yeah, a lack of curiosity, lack of political will. You know,
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if someone says they're cheating in your state, you should want to go to the bottom. And if they get
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some resistance, you don't stop at the first resistance. You keep digging. That's what we
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need more of in Washington. And in these states, we need more courageous people.
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Right. Well, Raffensperger seems to be a man who has been maligned and has taken on
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the issue of voter integrity as Secretary of State. He should. And he should do it in an animated,
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energized, highly energized fashion. And that at least this is happening. But my Lord,
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we're talking about more than a year after the event, this is suppression of evildoers in the
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state of Georgia. And we know that Kemp was the best we could say for him. He was lethargic
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and indifferent to these claims. But it also makes it very clear that Stacey Abrams and Mark Elias,
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two of the Democratic Party's best known operators and activists, they should have been on guard from
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the moment that they even smelled their presence near those drop boxes.
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Yeah, it's very important to remind people that Mark Elias sued Raffensperger in 2020,
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trying to overturn the ban on harvesting. And I'm going to have a story in a day or so,
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in the next 24 hours, following up on this Raffensperger thing. I'll give you a little insight to it.
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But he wrote a memo or an article to voting activists in March 2020, so eight months before
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the election, saying there are four ways we're going to win. And one of those four ways,
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he called the four pillars, was he needed to get harvesting made legal in some of these
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battleground states. So he sued in Arizona. He lost there. Of course, the Supreme Court recently
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affirmed that loss. And then he sued in Georgia, and he did. Now the question is, did other people,
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after Elias and others got turned down and said, you can't do harvesting,
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did they put together an operation to work around the law? That's certainly what Catherine
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Engelbert's evidence points toward. And we're going to probably get an answer from Brad Raffensperger
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Well, it's terrific reporting on your part. It is good that Raffensperger has done this. It's
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better than good. It's outstanding. I lament that it's a year later. And I'm sure that,
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true, the vote is upset as well. But good for them. But these non-profits that were circulating
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this bounty for each vote by, if it's 50,000 to 60,000 votes, we're talking about it. This
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wasn't a cheap operation. We're talking about a half a million, $600,000. That's just in those
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five counties as it's claimed now. I mean, this is major stuff. These, do we have a list of these
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non-profits that were involved in running that ballot harvesting operation?
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We don't. That's one of the things that Raffensperger is subpoenaing from Engelbrecht's
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group, and we'll get. But I haven't seen it. I don't know who they are. To get to the scope and
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scale and cost, though, just take the one John Doe witness, the guy that's identified in the
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complaint is John Doe. He said he got paid $10 a ballot, and he got paid a total between the general
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election in November and the runoff in January, $45,000. Just one guy, $45,000 at $10 a ballot.
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That means he delivered approximately 4,500 other people's ballots to these boxes. That is a huge
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scale when you realize there are 242 more people like him. Yeah. And, you know, I'm, it sounds like
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I may be very conservative in my estimate about the dollar scale of this thing.
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It could be very expensive. You're right. It's stunning. So at this point, let's just do a little
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what if here, if we could, John. What if they substantiate this? There is a case. This means
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that the Democratic Party is going to have a lot of answering to do. And the reason I say that
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is very straightforward. They obviously are the beneficiaries and therefore the number one
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suspect, right? But secondly, we are seeing in all of these states and, you know, the half dozen
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states across the country that have got irregularities, anomalies, apparent, you know, fraud or what could
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be fraud. But no one investigated. None of the state investigative agencies did a thing and still
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have it. The Federal Bureau of Investigation was sort of sticking its nose in the air saying,
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but we can't be involved in partisan politics. Well, the Democrats count on that. They count on having
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district attorneys who won't prosecute cheating. They won't investigate cheating. And they know it.
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And we're looking at a party that has become a lawless, I mean, this is the hole in the wall
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gang for crying out loud, the Democratic Party. We've got to get to the bottom of that and get it
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fixed. And these non-profits have got to be investigated. Yeah, that's the next phase, right?
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Yes, absolutely. If you find the ballot harvesters, then you got to go after the money sources that paid
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for this and organize it. And so we're looking at a long running investigation that may not just involve
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prosecution of the individuals, but could lead to IRS referrals, tax referrals, FBI referrals.
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I think we're at the beginning of a very long game. And I've said this to some people very much like
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you helped me do with Russia. You and Sean, when we unraveled Russia, it took two years to unravel
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the Russia story. My guess is it's going to take us a good year to get to the bottom of just how
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sophisticated this ballot harvesting operation may have been. You know what, John, you know, something
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that just might help a little bit in accelerating that time. What's that? It would be really nice
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if the FBI, on hearing the evidence that Raffensperger has presented to him, were to get
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involved. Yep. But the Georgia Bureau of Investigation can get to this much faster than the FBI,
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because the FBI, as you know, I have some significant feelings about this. The FBI seems
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to be the place where truth has gone to die in too many cases. And there's been some truth
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of that, absolutely, sadly. But if we could get the, you know, Raffensperger needs to hold a news
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conference and announce his findings publicly and encourage other secretaries of state, other
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governors and other state officials and other investigative agencies in those states. And I'm
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talking about, obviously, Nevada and Wisconsin and Michigan and Arizona and Pennsylvania.
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This could be very helpful, but it's time for people to understand. A lot of what happened
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was crooked. And the only people who aren't recognizing are the agencies and the governments
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of the power establishment in this country that refuse to acknowledge the voter concern that
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is out there. And I'm not talking about just half of the folks out there voting for Trump.
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We're talking about all good citizens in this country want that electoral system to be one of
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integrity and security. And it obviously is not that. Yeah, you know, there's another thing going
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on, Lou, and it's going to also happen this month and in Georgia. If you remember back in the summer,
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I broke a story that there was this 29-page report that Brad Raffensperger got from Fulton County,
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which is where Atlanta is. It's the largest voting metropolis. And it laid out the sort of things
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that would make people's blood boil. Double scanning of ballots, people's voter IDs being
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left out so you could see how they were voting and who they were. People saying they were there to
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mess up Donald Trump's chances of winning. Just horrific bad conduct in the voting center at
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Atlanta. And over the last six months, Brad Raffensperger has initiated a process to remove all of the
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Fulton County election supervisors and to take Fulton County for the first time in Georgia history
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into state receivership, meaning that the state government will run Fulton County's election in
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2022 when the Congress is at stake and 2024 when the president's at stake. The final recommendation
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to do that is due later this month. But that's another example. I started doing interviews. How long,
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you know, was this just a 2020 thing? This had been going on since the 1990s and every governor,
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Secretary of State kicked the ball down the road. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I worked in Georgia for
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part of my career. That's right. And let me tell you, Fulton County is dirty as it gets politically.
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And by the way, this isn't a slur on Georgia or anything else because every, almost every state
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the union has, you know, whether it's Cook County, Illinois, whether it's Wayne County and Michigan,
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you know, you know, you know, this, you know what this, we're talking about here and, and they have
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decades of corruption to overcome, but that doesn't mean that we can just simply ignore the thought that
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is, is just the news reports about the investigation in Georgia into ballot harvesting. The thought that if
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that's goes across a number of States, we may have an illegitimate president sitting in the Oval Office
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today, right now. And if that doesn't occur to everyone right now, there's something wrong where
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they're thinking, whether you're Republican or Democrat, because that is not the way a constitutional
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Republic, a democracy works. Yeah. You're so right. A hundred percent right.
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Right. So I'm sorry. Go ahead, John. One of the things I, you know, it's been interesting to watch
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as the stories unfold in the last few hours, how many people were nodding saying, well, I, you know,
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I kind of knew that was going on. I knew that was going on. I'm like, well, you're in a position of
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power. Why not find out if it was going on? I can't tell you the number of people talked to from
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Georgia said, oh yeah, we kind of knew about it. Well, you know what, if one party is constantly
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harvesting ballots, the liberals and the Republicans don't do it, the Republicans have put
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themselves at an unfair advantage. That's not a system Americans want to see. One party has an
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unfair advantage. This is going to, I think you're going to see five or six states have big
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conversations about it. I think Wisconsin probably becomes a big issue in the next couple of weeks.
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Arizona, it's starting to crest there. And I think Pennsylvania, but this didn't happen
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overnight. This was years of building out a system that could potentially create harvesting.
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There's a memo I mentioned to you that, you know, Mark Elias writes, I'm going to write about
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tomorrow where they, they were pretty open about it. We want to do harvesting. Let's find a way to
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make it happen. The Republicans and the Republican national committee, and a lot of those lawyers
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that sit at the RNC getting paid lots of money, this was their job to police the system. And they
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really let the Republican party down. If this gets validated, some of the blame has to lie at the RNC
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where lazy lawyers did not go and challenge this stuff, even though the evidence was sitting out in
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public. Yeah. Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the RNC, uh, uh, told me personally that she had the,
00:24:10.340
this election, uh, ready. The attorneys were dispersed and in position and ready to go.
00:24:17.580
Uh, their ground game was terrific to turn out the vote. Uh, and the next thing my phone is ringing,
00:24:23.900
uh, election night about from various Republican attorneys in Philadelphia, wherever it was across
00:24:30.260
the country who didn't know what the heck was going on. Yeah. They couldn't get through to,
00:24:35.400
uh, the chain of command that had been set up. Uh, they had, they were being told they couldn't,
00:24:41.120
uh, go into the accounting facilities, uh, denied access, even though they were official watchers of
00:24:48.460
the Republican party. Uh, and, and here, and now who is the, who is the chair of the Republican national
00:24:54.300
committee, it's Ronna McDaniel and I like her very much, but she, she's a wonderful person.
00:24:59.520
She failed. She failed utterly. And there should have been a replacement. And by the way, it was,
00:25:05.340
uh, Donald Trump's decision for her to be there. Uh, I think it was a terrible decision on the former
00:25:11.980
president's part. Uh, I've made that very clear, but the RNC has to be reorganized and re-energized
00:25:19.640
and led by people who know that it's 2022 and that everything that they do matters to the outcome.
00:25:27.940
Do you agree? I do. Listen, the Democrats have Mark Elias. They have Stacey Abrams. These,
00:25:32.880
whether you hate them or love them, you disagree with everything they say,
00:25:35.860
they're very aggressive, innovative, hard driving people. And the Republicans don't have an answer to
00:25:40.960
that. They're always on defense at best. In many days, they don't even have their defense.
00:25:45.160
You mentioned the moment in Atlanta where they found the ballots under there, you know,
00:25:49.020
the, the people were concerned about ballots and people were being kicked out of the, the,
00:25:52.820
the observers. There was no Republican lawyer there to go to court at 10 o'clock and stop that
00:25:57.880
at night. That was like basic one-on-one election, uh, protection. And you know, the guy who did it
00:26:03.260
right, Glenn Youngkin built an amazing system in Virginia for the 2021 election. The RNC should model
00:26:09.380
that and take it because he had the right people at every location. And there were really no questions
00:26:14.300
about Virginia and Republicans won. Well, uh, I've got to tell you, I have a feeling that the next
00:26:20.540
contest in Virginia will be a little different. The Democrats may revert to type, uh, is my guess
00:26:27.880
based on Youngkin's success. Absolutely. So, you know, this is great reporting, John, as always,
00:26:34.160
and I thank you for sharing your, your, your reporting with us. And we'll be following,
00:26:38.540
as I know, uh, our audience will, uh, just the news as it continues to, uh, to report on this
00:26:46.260
critically important issue. Uh, I'll just remind everybody of what Stalin said. Uh, he said,
00:26:51.660
he doesn't care who votes. He cares about who counts the votes. And that is a, uh, something
00:26:58.600
that powerful reminder. Uh, that's something everybody should keep in mind. Uh, I know, I know,
00:27:04.180
also that you've got, uh, you're aware that, uh, our friend, uh, Sean Hannity has been asked by the
00:27:11.560
January 6th committee to, uh, cooperate voluntarily with the January 6th, uh, uh, committee. I wanted to
00:27:19.840
get your reaction to that. Well, uh, you know, Sean obviously had a lot of proximity to the president,
00:27:25.540
had a unique relationship with the president. It's not surprising for political theater that the
00:27:29.720
Democrats would do that. He's a journalist. You're a journalist. I'm a journalist. There ought to be
00:27:34.160
some separation between the government's intrusion on our free speech activities. But, you know,
00:27:38.760
during Ukraine, they put my phone records out there without ever even interviewing me,
00:27:42.520
suggested what they showed when they didn't even know what they showed or what they were about.
00:27:45.940
We have seen Adam Schiff and now his, his sort of puppet master, uh, uh, Benny Thompson,
00:27:51.180
not really be regard to first amendment or, or privilege or any of these things. So it's not
00:27:56.540
surprising, but I think it's bad for journalism. It's bad for those in the free speech industry that
00:28:00.940
Congress feels so emboldened that they can intrude on journalists, phone records on internalist
00:28:05.700
conversations and on our reporting work. That's something that's not good for a democracy or
00:28:10.620
a constitutional Republic. Well, you and I shared a list, uh, that had drawn up apparently by the
00:28:15.920
embassy, uh, in Ukraine, uh, uh, uh, being monitored by the request that we be monitored. I always assumed
00:28:24.840
we were. How about you? Yeah. Oh yes. I assume that everyone's watching, including my mother when I
00:28:30.080
report. So I try to behave all the time. Well, I was just thinking of phone calls from one family
00:28:35.440
member to another and I'll also, we always make that assumption, but, uh, I do, uh, want to say,
00:28:42.040
I think that it's just stunning that they would make that request because they know what they're
00:28:47.020
doing. And if they can come after journalists, I mean, they did it with my former colleague,
00:28:50.940
James Rosen. Uh, he and I were at Fox news with, and that was the Obama administration,
00:28:57.540
uh, the highly ill liberal, uh, liberal administration, uh, is so quick to, to do things
00:29:04.180
that are, that are just simply stunning, uh, and roll back, uh, years of tradition. And really,
00:29:11.100
you know, I, I just, I, I dread to think, uh, where we really are with surveillance, uh, this
00:29:19.060
surveillance society that we live in now. And the fact that the deep state, uh, has picked a side
00:29:25.600
and that side is definitely not, uh, the Republican conservative independent, uh, voter. Uh, it is
00:29:34.100
the, the, the left in this country. What do you think? Yeah, no, that's it. Listen, the media,
00:29:39.640
the state bureaucracy and democratic activists clearly have been working together. That's the
00:29:43.360
lesson of Russia collusion. And it may very well be the lesson of many of the other scandals that
00:29:47.900
were unraveling piece by piece by piece. And, you know, we're so blessed to have, you know,
00:29:52.140
you have such an amazing bullhorn and an intellect. We're so lucky reporters like I can do a lot of
00:29:56.840
work, but if we don't get people who amplify it, we never get the truth out there. And all through
00:30:00.860
Russia, you were there to get that truth out. And you made a huge difference in this country.
00:30:05.480
And I think we have some more unraveling to do over the next couple of years.
00:30:09.400
Well, let me, if I may reciprocate the plaudits and, uh, and do so to the, to the third order.
00:30:16.260
Uh, your work has been, uh, critically important and the work that just the news does is just
00:30:22.180
terrific. And I also want to congratulate you on getting Twitter to admit its error, uh, in suspending
00:30:29.000
your account over, uh, your reporting on COVID. Totally true story. They had to admit it. Yeah.
00:30:36.160
And, uh, how, how, how many hours did it take to get that reverse? Just 12 hours. I was on timeout
00:30:41.200
for 12 hours. I felt like a child getting a timeout from their parent when they didn't do it. My brother
00:30:45.260
did it, but I got in trouble. I hear you. That happened a few times when I was a kid.
00:30:50.660
Well, and it's, you know, I will give Twitter some credit, uh, but most of all, I want to give you
00:30:57.040
credit because you knew exactly how to handle it. You didn't go through a, a, a public, uh, uh,
00:31:03.680
uh, review. You've, you've made it informal. And I think that was helpful too. And I think others
00:31:10.280
should learn, uh, the lesson because rightly or wrongly, and I think it's mostly, uh, it's all
00:31:16.980
wrong that they have that kind of power, whether it's Twitter or Facebook, uh, it's horrible to see
00:31:23.120
it happen. And even though they didn't straighten it out, their power is misplaced and the abuse is,
00:31:28.880
uh, they're harming democracy. Absolutely. John, thanks so much. We appreciate it as always.
00:31:35.300
Uh, John Solomon, just the news and, uh, what a story. Uh, congratulations again.
00:31:42.580
Thank you. Have a happy new year. You too. Happy new year. We'll continue in just one moment
00:31:48.140
with more truth, justice, and the American way here on the great America show.
00:31:56.420
This new year is looking a lot like the old year when taking a look at our politics and our so-called
00:32:03.160
government. I say so-called because our federal government has become a dysfunctional and often
00:32:09.340
confused assortment of indolent civil servants, not all of them, but many of them, many of whom are
00:32:16.560
neither civil nor servant as a matter of fact. And many of them are part of the so-called deep state.
00:32:23.040
And most of them have taken sides in America's great political conflict. And I don't have to tell
00:32:29.180
you which side they've taken. They're forever bigger government, just like the Marxist radical
00:32:34.520
Dems, greater government powers over citizens. And yes, ever fewer rights for private citizens
00:32:40.940
whose hard work pays all those bills. I said at the outset of my remarks that this new year was looking
00:32:48.140
a lot like last year when it comes to politics. One reason Joe Biden's poll numbers are on the same
00:32:54.360
trajectory, ever lower. And in poll after poll, Biden's approval numbers are at the lowest level
00:33:01.560
of his presidency. It seems like he's been in office forever and his approval ratings in free fall
00:33:08.400
forever. And some of you may be surprised that he's been in office less than a year. His first term at
00:33:15.920
this rate will seem like a decade. I don't even want to contemplate the pain that he will likely cause
00:33:22.280
this country over the next three years. But this year is also an election year. It's a year of
00:33:27.960
opportunity, one in which we can make a difference by voting the fools, all of them, both the radical Dems
00:33:34.980
and the spinalist rhino Republicans. This year, we'll find out whether conservatives and patriots
00:33:40.980
are sufficiently motivated and concerned to vote in a government that actually cares about our citizens,
00:33:46.980
cares about our families, their health and prosperity, and a government that actually delivers
00:33:52.860
truth and justice and will preserve our American way of life. One of those who's leading the fight on
00:33:59.980
Capitol Hill is Congressman Andy Biggs. Congressman Biggs is on the House Judiciary and Oversight Reform
00:34:06.640
Committees. He's co-chair of the Border Security Caucus and the Freedom Caucus. Congressman, great to have
00:34:12.800
you with us. Welcome to the Great America Show. And your colleagues have been spending a lot of time
00:34:18.800
back in your districts. You guys have had a little vacation, and I think well-deserved, especially in
00:34:24.940
your case. And I'm sure our audience would like to know what you've been hearing from your
00:34:29.240
constituents back home, their concerns, and what they're thinking about this so-called government
00:34:35.320
of ours. Well, Lou, great to be with you again. I'll tell you that. And I'll just tell you,
00:34:42.680
it's been good to be back for a couple weeks here and get around in my district. And I'm fortunate I
00:34:47.980
live in a district that generally takes a free approach on COVID stuff. So there's a lot of people
00:34:55.900
out. A lot of folks I get to see in their businesses. And I also had to tell a town hall
00:35:02.200
while I was out and also met with other groups as well. So I'll just tell you what they're saying,
00:35:07.120
Lou. They are in absolute dismay about the direction of the country. So when I talk to them,
00:35:15.120
you know what drives them? They're talking about inflation. They're talking about the economy.
00:35:21.520
They're talking about the border crisis where just Arizona is so negatively impacted by the
00:35:29.440
literally tens of thousands coming across every month into Arizona. The drug trafficking,
00:35:38.080
the sex trafficking, all of that, the human smuggling, all that's going on with that.
00:35:42.440
They're concerned about our drop in prestige around the world. They're talking about high crime rates.
00:35:48.440
Look, we've got Tucson in Arizona. That is one of the top 12 homicide cities in the country.
00:35:57.640
They're dismayed. If they've got businesses, they're having trouble getting workers to come out
00:36:04.720
and work for them because of all of the incentives to stay away. But you know what? They're big
00:36:12.640
believers. They're big believers that we can make a change and get this back.
00:36:16.900
And they want to make a change. They do not want the same trajectory that we've been on.
00:36:22.020
Well, it is a disaster. I think even you as a leader of the Freedom Caucus, a conservative
00:36:29.420
Republican, you've got to be surprised at how much damage Joe Biden has already done to the country in
00:36:40.700
Yeah, it has been. This is why I said about six months ago, I said, this is not incompetence.
00:36:47.220
This has got to be by design. Nobody could be this successful at destroying the country
00:36:51.520
and wrapping it up around the axle unless they had a plan and a design. And this was their plan.
00:36:57.940
They're Marxists. And they like chaos. And they like division. And they want to centralize government.
00:37:03.720
In your monologue, you talked about our government. Our government is no longer a federal government.
00:37:09.540
It's a national government. And they want that power centralized in D.C.
00:37:12.920
And in so doing, they're crushing everything that we know to be Americana, our legacy, our history,
00:37:26.960
It's where they are. And they are intent on driving this country to a true single payer health care system.
00:37:33.900
Their intent on that border being wide open. Let's talk about the border. You're on the Border Security Caucus.
00:37:40.920
You have been dealing with this issue since you went to Washington. I've been covering this issue for 20 years.
00:37:48.740
And I have to tell you, it's gotten worse, not better, more irrational, not more oriented to the national interest at all,
00:37:58.540
farther from it, in point of fact. Your thoughts about what can be done, given the power that the Democratic Party holds over both the White House and the Senate and House?
00:38:12.560
Well, in Congress, we've got to keep pushing the policies forward that have to be pushed, even though they're not going to get through.
00:38:19.060
But the American public needs to know that these are the policies that work.
00:38:22.700
The second thing is the states have, I mean, the border states have got to take charge.
00:38:27.080
I mean, if I were governor here in Arizona, I would have had a special legislative session six months ago dealing with this issue.
00:38:35.160
I'd make sure that, you know, Arizona had a budget surplus and most states did because of all the federal dollars coming in.
00:38:41.420
But what I would do is I'd make sure that the Department of Public Safety was fully funded, that they had their task force down there, that our National Guard was down there.
00:38:48.960
We've got four counties right along the border and a fifth one that is the funnel for most getaways and drug trafficking in the country.
00:38:55.120
And at least three or four of those sheriffs are willing to arrest and prosecute and their county attorneys will prosecute.
00:39:03.520
I'd make sure they had the resources they need.
00:39:08.240
And then I'd make sure we had detention facilities to put these people in detention and hold them until they were deported,
00:39:18.180
which probably won't happen under this administration ever.
00:39:21.740
But that's those are some things the states can do.
00:39:24.560
And then the other thing is to continue to advocate at the courts.
00:39:28.620
We've won a number and a lot of these special interest law firms have had very some good success in the federal courts dealing with the abrogation of their constitutional duty by this administration.
00:39:48.500
But, you know, if you did certain things, Lou, you and I both know this, MPP, remaining Mexico policy, Title 42, and build the wall.
00:39:58.840
You do that and almost immediately you start sending a message and this thing calms down.
00:40:03.640
But right now this administration won't have that, will not have that.
00:40:08.440
You know, as a cub reporter early in my career, I lived and worked in Yuma, Arizona, loved the community, loved the area.
00:40:21.020
I'm a huge fan of the high desert, the Sonora Desert there.
00:40:26.940
And at that time, and we're talking 40 years ago, we're talking about then it was drug interdiction.
00:40:36.020
It was a battle between Cesar Chavez and his Chavistas and the green card holders coming across from San Luis Sonora at that port of entry.
00:40:47.660
And I look at what's happening now and it's completely out of control.
00:40:53.260
And the border patrol is in even worse shape than it was then.
00:40:57.620
At least there was a respect for the border patrol.
00:41:00.460
Well, now there obviously isn't, not just the cartels, but every, you know, every independent smuggler and mule has, you know, has his or her favorite crossing on that border.
00:41:15.240
Yeah, Lou, look and look at the guy they just put in charge of CBP.
00:41:20.460
This guy is an open porters, a radical advocate.
00:41:29.200
I went down to the border a couple of weeks back just to just drive down on a Sunday morning down to Yuma.
00:41:33.700
So, and, and Lou, in 45 minutes, I was, I know where the gaps are.
00:41:40.820
So within 45 minutes, we see about 150 people just walk across and it's nonchalant anymore, Lou.
00:41:53.900
They're FaceTiming back home saying, look, I made it to America.
00:41:59.020
They will because, yeah, the Yuma County Sheriff's deputies are down there.
00:42:03.980
They're kind of holding it down at the border, waiting for the CBP guys who can't enforce an arrest anymore, who were just transporting and processing.
00:42:13.300
They were just coming, picking these guys up, processing them.
00:42:15.980
And within a couple of days, most of those people, probably 80, 90% of them are going to be dispersed throughout the United States of America all over.
00:42:22.740
You know, I suspect a few people listening to us at least think, well, you know, they're coming to America.
00:42:31.040
It's wonderful, the spirit of, you know, the great melting pot.
00:42:36.960
But in point of fact, that isn't what this is about.
00:42:40.280
We had 400,000 anchor babies born in this country last year, more than born in all of the other 49 states.
00:42:49.180
The other state is California with 420,000 babies born.
00:43:00.180
And people, there should be logos on some sort of jumpsuit or whatever garb that the illegal immigrant wears across that border that should have, you know, we're here compliments of the business roundtable.
00:43:13.880
Or we're here compliments of the Chamber of Commerce.
00:43:16.560
How about, we're here thanks to, you know, you pick the big box company you want to, compliments of whatever corporation or business that needs cheap labor.
00:43:29.380
And there also ought to be an accounting of how much it's costing American workers because of cheap labor coming into the country and competing with them.
00:43:40.740
It's really disgusting to watch because the public is just so poorly informed on it, whether because of our so-called federal government or because of the lobbying of the business, the U.S. multinationals, the big business groups like the Business Roundtable, the Chamber of Commerce.
00:44:04.260
I mean, I think of what Barbara Jordan said multiple times that the illegal low-wage workers who are coming in basically hurt the black community more than any other community and should be stopped.
00:44:19.540
I mean, that's why Cesar Chavez, as you mentioned earlier, that's why he said, we don't want these folks illegally coming in and taking our jobs.
00:44:28.000
We're going to unionize the farm workers out there.
00:44:31.020
I mean, it's a real thing that these jobs are being taken.
00:44:37.380
Look, this is happening at the same time, Lou, that the federal government, the national government has been incentivizing people not to work.
00:44:44.880
So, I mean, that's everything from raising food stamp amounts, child care allotments, unemployment bonuses, et cetera.
00:44:54.380
So you're incentivizing people not to work, and yet you're bringing in people to work to take their jobs.
00:45:03.660
People think about this in kind of a really gentrified way.
00:45:08.860
They think, oh, these are just folks, our neighbors from the south in Mexico that are coming up.
00:45:12.680
No, they have about 140-plus nations represented in the 2 million illegal apprehensions last year.
00:45:20.600
And every time I go down there, last time it was four Bangladeshis.
00:45:39.200
They're flying to Mexicali, and they're taking an Uber over to Algodones, which is on the south side.
00:45:59.480
It's not about either the Border Patrol, Customs and Border Patrol.
00:46:04.680
They've lost control of it because that control has been the opportunity to control.
00:46:11.800
We actually have a situation in which the Democratic Party has demanded that the Border Patrol not patrol the border,
00:46:24.560
That is the demand of the Obama administration, Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi, and the radical Democratic Party.
00:46:37.640
No, I was just going to say you're exactly right.
00:46:39.360
I mean, I'd had enough months and months ago, and so I introduced a resolution to impeach Mayorkas on this issue
00:46:46.960
because it's clearly a violation of his obligation.
00:46:54.100
He is committing, in my opinion, felonies by aiding and abetting illegal immigration, human smuggling, sex trafficking, drug trafficking.
00:47:03.860
They basically said, we're going to open up our border.
00:47:08.660
He lies to the American people and says the border is secure.
00:47:11.540
But he won't let, like you say, he won't let them enforce.
00:47:13.720
So they've directed ICE not to gather up to 1.2 million people with removal orders in the country and send them out.
00:47:21.440
He won't let them enforce the law, and they won't let the Border Patrol enforce the law.
00:47:25.380
And right now, the Border Patrol is a processing unit, and it's not their fault.
00:47:31.640
It is the leaders of this administration who are basically prohibiting them from doing what they're supposed to do,
00:47:39.980
Well, why won't someone stand up and say, you know, the Mexican cartels control the border, the southern border, from the south.
00:47:51.140
But if anybody thinks that the cartels have no influence with the Democratic Party and no control over the northern side of that border, they're hopelessly naive.
00:48:04.320
There's a reason that Mayorkas and the others, you know, with their certified radical credentials, are upending 100 years of border security
00:48:17.220
and in favor of the interest of other nations and other philosophies and ideologies than, you know, the good old American way, truth and justice.
00:48:30.000
I mean, this is absolutely amazing that he ever was – I can't understand how in the world he was confirmed.
00:48:47.380
You know, there were two sheriffs, candidates in a county in Texas who both had cartel ties.
00:48:54.820
And the briefings that we get, they tell us that basically if you have any kind of drug use in your community right now,
00:49:07.260
the Mexican cartels have a presence in those communities.
00:49:13.820
And now you've got the flights going out at midnight again.
00:49:23.960
It's just now some people have caught on to it.
00:49:26.440
But those flights have been going on, regularly dispersing people throughout the country.
00:49:34.880
That's been going on since the Clinton administration, by the way, which came up with the concept of using the refugee apparatus and regulations in order to bring in whomever they wanted
00:49:45.960
and disperse them into communities, usually in the dark of night.
00:49:49.920
And it's happened – and it's happened from border to border, coast to coast.
00:49:55.500
This isn't about just the southern border or the border states.
00:50:01.140
Why in the world – and I think you will agree with this – why in the world is Donald Trump the only president who's had the guts to stand up and say the cartels are the enemy here?
00:50:13.480
And that they must be dealt with because they are the ones bringing in all of the drugs, methamphetamines, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, that are killing mostly our young people, but 100,000 overdose deaths.
00:50:27.780
And they're just considered collateral damage in what is a very acute exercise by the Biden administration and the radical dims in an open society.
00:50:42.340
And people are inured to it because the media won't deal honestly with the subject.
00:50:46.600
Well, you know, President Trump, he rocketed to the top of the Republican primary in 2016 because he talked about enforcing the border.
00:51:01.340
And I think most Americans get this, that you have to enforce your border.
00:51:06.520
But he also – President Trump understood that the cartels – President Trump understands it's a business.
00:51:15.500
So when they can make more money smuggling humans in, they bring in humans.
00:51:19.680
When they can make more money doing drugs, they're doing drugs, sex traffic, whatever it is, they are there to make money.
00:51:27.920
And that's why – it's like the old saying, why do you rob the bank?
00:51:33.280
But the reality is, why don't we have leaders other than President Trump who've got the guts to say the cartels have corrupted both sides of the border, not one.
00:51:42.760
And they have corrupted community after community across this country.
00:51:48.100
And the Democratic Party is an ally in their demand that that border be kept open so that they can deal in sex trafficking and drug smuggling and human smuggling.
00:52:00.880
So it is – he's the only one who had the guts.
00:52:05.460
And we've got to find some people, some leaders with guts.
00:52:08.620
One of those people, by the way – I just want to change the subject here, if I may, Congressman – Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:52:16.020
Twitter throws her off of Twitter, bans her for life because her philosophy, her opinion, and her views don't conform to those of, I guess, Dr. Fauci and the Twitter literati.
00:52:37.500
Big tech deciding who will be able to speak and that a congressman and a president can't because they disagree with his or her opinion.
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Because what's happening here is it's a violation of the First Amendment being implemented by a company that's so – its main subsidization came from regulations that allowed it and permitted it to exist and expand its censorship role.
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I mean, the day after she got the Twitter ban, Facebook took her down.
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So, I mean, these folks – it isn't – whether you agree with her or disagree with her, this should not be happening to anybody.
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But Marjorie Greene, she's – she's – she's actually – all she has in the one – the piece that they don't like is she actually puts out data supplied by VAERS,
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which is the National Reporting Service on vaccines and –
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And so to say we're not going to allow that to go forward because it's untrue is absolutely – it's got to be taken care of.
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And I know – I'm afraid that too many of my colleagues want to go a softer way, but I think you're going to have to go big time on this.
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Either the government runs this country, either the Congress of the United States represents the American people.
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And if you represent the American people in the Constitution, how in the heck could you possibly let Dorsey and all those other morons in big tech and social media throw up?
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I mean, no one's even reacted to the fact President Trump was banned from Twitter, a president of the United States, congressmen and women.
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And by the way, I give Rand Paul all the credit in the world.
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And – because he's not going to put up with people trying to silence him nor their colleagues.
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I don't understand why the Republican Party congressman doesn't just say to Dorsey and the owners of Twitter, that's it.
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You either put her back and stop this now or we're going to take action.
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But why doesn't the Republican Party leadership have any guts is what I'm asking you.
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You know, I've – Lou, I've been wondering that for five years and more now, to be honest with you.
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But I will just tell you, if – you can't just go in and say we're going to revise Section 230 and that will make things copacetic.
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You've got to have to destroy their model of anti-competitive monopolistic behavior, in my opinion.
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I mean, irrespective of anything, that should be done because it's ill – it's un-American to give that kind of power.
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I mean, we've got a company, an Apple, $3 trillion.
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It's doing quarter of a trillion dollar deals with communist China and stiffing our ally, Taiwan.
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Well, and there is a movement within the Republicans.
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It's – in my opinion, it's the same old thing that you've always talked about, Lou.
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There's this – the uniparty Republicans, and they're the people who are the – make America great again, the American first Republicans.
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And so there's that internal dissension going on constantly.
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But the – at least I will say, for the first time in quite some time, I am actually hearing Kevin McCarthy talk about, we have got to stay and back up Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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He's got an interesting new tone of patter, but it's just patter.
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And by the way, he's a very likable guy, or he couldn't be a politician, right?
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But I cannot stand the fact that he can't muster the spine to stand up for her and make things happen because he has that power.
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And if Mitch McConnell wants to mess with him, let him mess with him because McCarthy either stands on principle and leads the Republican Party and crushes the rhino influence within it that has been so deleterious to the national interest,
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the Republican interest, the Republican interest.
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I mean, having – you know, watching Mitt Romney walk around, a Liz Cheney talking like they're some sort of Republicans on Sunday television is absurd.
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But anyway, you get the last word here, Congressman.
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Thank you, Congressman, for leading the fight in every way you can in the House of Representatives.
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Well, Lou, it's just great to be with you and have this conversation.
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Again, I miss having our regular conversations that we used to have.
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I mean, I always considered you as someone who really raised the level of discourse to allow people to see very clearly what's going on.
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I really believe the American people want us to keep fighting.
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And that's – getting back to where we started with, that's what I tell you.
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My people tell me all the time, fight harder, Andy.
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And the next time you see Kevin McCarthy, tell the minority leader how much America loves him, give him a big bear hug.
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We want to see a fight, and we want to see the Republicans win it.
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Congressman Andy Biggs of the great state of Arizona.
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Join us again tomorrow for the Great America podcast.
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