Roger Stone joins the show to talk about the results of the governor's race in Virginia and the attorney general race in New Jersey. John and Mark also discuss the California primary and the New York City mayor's race.
00:04:32.000And I think that they kind of forget that in 2021, people were really, really, really mad at Murphy here.
00:04:39.360Government overreach with COVID was a really big problem.
00:04:42.460Businesses were getting shut down all over New Jersey.
00:04:45.020And I think that that's one of the reasons that he did that well.
00:04:47.940And then people will look at his vote share and says, oh, well, he actually outperformed Trump.
00:04:52.300He only lost by 3 percent, forgetting that it's an off-cycle election and he only got 1.2 million votes.
00:04:58.360And Donald Trump was able to convince 2 million people to vote for him in 2024.
00:05:02.580But then the other thing about 2024 is that I think we all have to acknowledge how bad the Biden presidency sucked.
00:05:09.180And that was a tailwind, I think, for Donald Trump in a place like New Jersey.
00:05:12.640And it's not something that's going to convert to, again, Jack's great, but I don't think that Republicans really have a believable plan for New Jersey that can compensate for the fact that most of these people probably just voted for Mikey Sherrill because they hate Trump.
00:05:28.200Like that's probably really what I think happened.
00:05:30.200And they're going to continue to lose, especially among the young people who, if they were not voting, Jack Cittarelli probably would have come a lot closer to winning and might have won.
00:05:43.600First of all, I think Cittarelli's close finish was a freak accident when one of Phil Murphy's people actually blurted out the fact that he was going to put in place far more draconian lockdowns because of COVID-19.
00:05:57.220I think that caused a late rally for Jack, and he overperformed in that race.
00:06:03.400That did not mean the Republicans would automatically win the governor's race.
00:06:07.340But here's the other thing I can tell you.
00:06:08.920If the Republicans won both tonight by just a freak accident, the Republicans triumphed in both Virginia and New Jersey.
00:06:17.860The fake news media would say this was not a referendum on Trump, and he was lucky.
00:06:22.420But when we lose both, which is what you would expect based on all of the research, all the history, all the polling and all of the trends, these are blue states, heavily blue states, they will say it's a repudiation of Donald Trump.
00:06:39.680I don't think it's a measure particularly of anything other than the fact that high turnouts in all of these elections show that people are angry.
00:06:48.300And then you have the mess in New York, which is a whole separate question.
00:06:54.180Real quick, we want to get to New York, Roger.
00:06:56.180But before we move on to New York, the issue I took with Cittarelli's race was an issue that I took with Carrie Lake's race and her numerous losses down in Arizona.
00:07:04.780Cittarelli was running on this national stage, and I turned on Fox News last Thursday or Friday, and I see Cittarelli in a town hall with Sean Hannity.
00:07:11.840And then I think to myself, I worked at Fox News, and I've seen the numbers of the people that watch in New Jersey.
00:07:18.880How you win a race is doing exactly what Zohan Mamdani did in New York, and you go resonate with the people.
00:07:24.460That's the issue I took with Jack Cittarelli in his last week.
00:07:27.260He spent on Fox News every single day.
00:07:29.700Well, I guess I would argue that if you looked at your polling, you would find a disproportionate number of his base voters who are still important to keep energized or watching Fox.
00:07:40.220It's better than, and of course, the mainstream media that's going to reach perhaps a broader voter demographic isn't going to invite him to come.
00:07:52.700Look, I think New York is important because I think they're on the cusp of an absolute disaster, but the idea – Mark, I'd like to get your views on this.
00:08:04.880The idea that there's a three-person race and one of those people drops out, that all of their voters are going to move immediately to the remaining challenger is a falsity.
00:08:16.740It doesn't work that way, particularly in the case of Curtis Sliwa, who is the nominee of the Republican Party, who's won a Republican primary, who has running mates running for city council and civil court judges.
00:08:31.800And Andrew Cuomo's antipathy to traditional Republicans having once said out loud, if you believe in the right to own a gun or you don't support abortion, there's no place for you in New York, and you need to move.
00:08:45.980Now you add to that his record on COVID and the nursing homes and the no-cash bail that currently plagues New York City and has caused its crime problem.
00:09:13.220It made me gross, like really feel dirty, the extent to which so many people came out and tried to interfere and try and somehow prevent this from happening for New York, because this is what New York wants.
00:09:27.740They are very proudly voting this guy in, especially the young people.
00:09:32.600And I think that they probably listen to the way that the right complains about him and warns about him and says that it's Muslim Takiyah.
00:09:39.420Maybe he's going to be Trojan Sharia law.
00:09:43.620I think they like how Mamdani makes the right feel, and they don't really care that there might be negative ramifications for ushering socialism into New York, which is the capitalistic banking sector of the world.
00:09:55.680And so I don't know how much this guy is really going to be able to screw up, and I don't know if Trump should really get involved or not.
00:10:02.580But coming out there, imagine if Trump was the person that got Cuomo over the finish line.
00:10:08.300That's a slap in the face to the people who are, quite frankly, like I'm dealing with COVID stuff right now.
00:10:13.220My mom has what I think is cancers from the third round of Moderna.
00:10:18.640And all of these people who had to die alone in a nursing home, it looks like the Republican Party is putting that in the rearview mirror when Donald Trump comes out and supports somebody like Andrew Cuomo.
00:10:38.700There's going to be no accountability.
00:10:39.740And I think the young people that voted for Donald Trump, I think that they were asking for sanity and accountability, and they weren't asking necessarily for traditional grandpappy conservatism because I don't think that's the message they want to hear.
00:10:55.160Just to be clear, I mean the most recent data I saw showed that 71 percent of New York voters were less likely to vote for a candidate endorsed by Donald Trump.
00:11:04.960But, again, the notion that if Curtis Sliwa dropped out, all of his votes would go to Cuomo, or if Cuomo dropped out, all of his votes would go to Sliwa, that's a false premise.
00:11:16.780So for those who say it's Curtis Sliwa's fault that we elected Mamdami, I don't think they understand the true dynamic here.
00:11:23.720And, in fact, surveys that showed when you took Sliwa out, Andrew Cuomo still wasn't leading Mamdami.
00:11:30.080He was still trailing him, and he would continue to trail him.
00:11:33.120I don't think you would have beaten him in a two-person race because he had his unfavorable ratings extraordinarily high.
00:11:40.020This is a man who had to step down as governor ahead of impeachment for alleged sexual harassment, if not assault.
00:11:48.720He has the stain of having put all these COVID patients into the nursing home, something he was never charged with, but I think he should have been charged with.
00:11:56.780I think he lied about it in front of Congress under oath as well.
00:12:00.000Now, this is a guy who was driven out of town, and he couldn't win the Democrat primary even with that vaunted Cuomo name.
00:12:10.680So I think he was kind of out of gas, polarizing a weak candidate, not capable to do the kind of street campaigning that Sliwa and Mamdami did extensively,
00:12:21.380because Andrew Cuomo feared that piece of videotape that goes viral of somebody saying, hey, you, my grandmother died in a nursing home because of you.
00:12:30.840So he's basically forced Biden-like to campaign from his basement.
00:12:45.380Lou Dobbs used to say to me all the time, Roger, when I would say the less of the two evils, he would tell me I'm an idiot because there's no such thing.
00:13:44.900But he keeps insisting that if Curtis Slewa, the Republican, will just drop out, this would guarantee victory for Andrew Cuomo.
00:13:52.800And therefore, it will be Curtis Slewa's fault for running for mayor that Mamdami is elected.
00:13:59.560I think that's an entirely unfair criticism because, as Mark knows, 100 percent of his votes are not transferable.
00:14:05.600And the data kind of showed that he'd still lose the race.
00:14:08.700So I think that kind of unfair commentary from the outside and this last minute Trump urging people to vote for Cuomo over the Republican nominee.
00:15:10.620The city has has changed demographically very drastically since the days that Rudy Giuliani was elected mayor.
00:15:17.560And Republicans had to recognize from the beginning the odds of winning, electing a Republican mayor in this city today, given its makeup, were very, very long to begin with.
00:15:48.900Mim Dami also benefits from this hope and change phenomena, which younger voters buy into the narrative that he's he's you know, he's a grassroots phenomena, challenging the special interests, challenging the dark money, challenging the oligarchs.
00:16:04.420But in fact, he's completely a creation of them.
00:16:07.320All of his campaign financing didn't come from small donations, not even the fake ones through Act Blue.
00:16:14.220No, his donations came from a interlocking collection of 501c3s, 501c4s, nonprofit organizations, NGOs and political parties moving money back and forth quite illegally.
00:16:27.500And the origins of this money are unknown.
00:16:31.960But this is a this is a very skilled op to take over first the New York Democrat Party and to take over New York City.
00:16:40.220Now we are literally in the place where the next mayor may may endorse the ideology of the very people who were told to attack the Twin Towers on 9-11.
00:16:50.560Yeah. Full circle. It's beautiful. And the part that blows my mind is how much the right projected onto everybody else.
00:17:00.020It's fear of socialism. And if you ask America what's better, free market capitalism or socialism, they'll say capitalism still, but the number is shrinking.
00:17:10.580But the people who are like afraid of democratic socialism is not as high as you would think.
00:17:16.980In fact, most people under 40 would vote for a Democrat socialist.
00:17:20.300It's like a 30 point lead almost. And in the city, it's even bigger.
00:17:24.300And so this idea somehow that they think there's a problem.
00:17:26.920It's like, no, you taught them to love multiculturalism.
00:17:30.320You didn't really teach them what real capitalism is.
00:17:33.880And they think even if they knew it, it's failed them.
00:17:37.220And economic populism is growing. People want more of it on both the right and the left.
00:17:42.720And unfortunately, they look at a guy like Mamdani, and I think that they say, well, it's different, but maybe he's got the answers because the systems has failed me.
00:17:52.400And I look at the party, the power, the people in power, and they they're not going after the things that I need them to in order to change things, the level they need to be changed.
00:18:01.720And I think that that's the problem, because I don't think the right is equipped to really fight that fight right now.
00:18:06.600And so you're going to see more Mamdani's.
00:18:08.720I think I guess I agree that the just the epitaph that you're a Democrat socialist doesn't carry the heavy negative connotations that we might think it is.
00:18:17.860But when you ask people, do you think it's a good idea to defund the police?
00:18:22.560Or you ask people, do you think white people should pay a higher taxes in a disproportionate amount of the taxes paid?
00:18:46.260So I mean, I think that when people realize the impact of specific policies that Mamdani will enact and how dangerous it's going to be to be in New York City,
00:18:58.100as I think both capital will flee, large employers will feel small, employers will close down and flee.
00:19:05.480I think the real estate prices in the city will will descend into hell.
00:19:10.740And I think there'll be a mass migration to places like Texas, Florida, even Dubai.
00:20:06.200Deeply, deeply flawed candidate for all the reasons we've already discussed.
00:20:10.100But I think that the deterioration of New York City, which is going to be relatively rapid, could very easily impact the New York's upcoming race for governor.
00:20:21.080Kathy Hochul, she was a gift from Andrew Cuomo.
00:22:08.740Also syndicated a number of other cities.
00:22:10.420You can always go to the Stone Zone, StoneZone.com, and you can see interviews and read some of the print stuff I write, get all my books and products.
00:22:20.540And if you're a real masochist, you can go to StoneColdTruth.com for my sub stack where I wrote an incredible piece on what will happen in New York City if Miam Dami is the mayor.
00:25:57.960And it's the same concept with Jack Cittarelli running this national race, this Fox News-esque race, where he thinks that national TV was going to bring him over the finish line.
00:26:51.060An entire labyrinthian network of volunteers and people just giving it their all and building a movement and fighting an info war on Twitter.
00:27:02.240All of this blood and mud and sweat goes up against this Democrat machine that is finally honed and will get those people out.
00:27:10.960And then the right wins an election with just that last bit of grit, like Rocky going up against the Russian guy in Rocky IV.
00:27:18.460But then the next election comes around and a bunch of like rudderless stand for nothing establishment Republican types are going up against that same machine and they're going to get wrecked.
00:27:33.780And so I'm looking at the vote share prediction on Decision Desk HQ and it's got jacked at like 45% to 54, like down nine points.
00:27:45.100My polling came at six and I was one of the lowest polls.
00:27:48.100And so the results, like the entire polling industry was to the right of me.
00:27:53.720So my only conclusion there is that right leaning Trump voting independence completely failed him.
00:29:14.160And I say this all the time because I don't think people, Mark, have opened their eyes to realize how bad the Democratic Party is and how much worse they're going to get.
00:30:02.740For anyone who's not joining us on audio on the gear of the Great America show, Mark's got a great graphic up here.
00:30:09.780And it's it's called the slippery slope.
00:30:11.760And it starts with a gay couple saying, let us get married.
00:30:15.720And then it goes on to say, bake our cake and then use our pronouns and let teachers use your kids' genders, allow minors to dance for U.S.
00:33:41.620I have to come in to protect New Yorkers.
00:33:44.440And on what would be Mayor Mandami's election inaugural day, you will see tanks coming down Fifth Avenue with Donald Trump taking a selfie.
00:36:03.060Anyone who's been to a Donald Trump hotel or anything knows everything is gold.
00:36:09.340He made the perfect case, Mark, that New York needs to be federalized.
00:36:14.140We're letting this socialist Marxist take over this communist.
00:36:18.840I don't know if you saw it today, but Donald Trump is now back to doing a little trolling with Kathy Hochul with the congestion pricing.
00:36:26.440He says, I want my transportation secretary, Sean Duffy, to take a long, hard look at this congestion pricing, which is absolute, I mean, absurdity, Mark.
00:36:35.980You have the highest taxes in any state in America.
00:36:40.080You have the ridiculously high sales tax.
00:37:29.540I mean, the reason I'm kind of sort of happy that Mondani won and doesn't make a difference to what I've said or what I've done on the show.
00:37:36.720It wasn't moving the vote, even one person.
00:37:39.060And the reason I'm kind of happy is because I believe that we need Mondani in order to start this healing process.
00:37:44.800He's going to do whatever he's going to do or he's going to try to do whatever.
00:37:47.440But I think we need him in order to start the healing process because the way I see it, we've danced around the socialism topic for so long.
00:37:56.000We've danced around taking on full socialism.
00:37:58.600People need to experience it in order to know what it really is.
00:38:03.040These idiots, these blue haired freaks need to understand what socialism is.
00:38:09.700Donald Trump has two and a half years to make New York City look as bad as possible.
00:38:15.220And that's my I think they're going to run this guy.
00:38:18.080I think they're going to run Mikey Sherrill.
00:38:19.600I think they're looking around at their current roster and they find it wanting and they're in R&D mode to try and find a 2028 candidate because I think they're worried they're not going to win the presidency.
00:38:30.080I think they're not going to have dominion.
00:38:32.080I think that J.D. Vance is polling pretty well.
00:38:34.600I think that the Democrats still kind of look like losers nationally as compared to Kamala Harris.
00:38:39.800And they're still worried that Trump might do a lot of things that are effective.
00:38:46.060And so they're incentivized to do as much damage as possible in 26 and steal whatever they can and take that and throw as much money, as much Chinese laundered money as they can at 2026 and win that no matter what.
00:39:00.940And then peach and peach and peach this guy like under undermine the Republicans, blow them up the way the Republicans are blowing themselves up right now.
00:39:07.960Like the Republicans are literally just handing this to Democrats.
00:39:19.780And let's talk about this on the other side of this break.
00:39:21.920This new awakening of the Republican Party and some influencers and some members of Congress who are sort of starting to drift away from the MAGA coalition that that built them.
00:44:36.440There are angry men on the right, and they've always been there.
00:44:39.600They've been there long before Donald Trump was the thing, and they were the first people to get Donald Trump off the ground.
00:44:44.080And so the idea that you can somehow like ignore that and like stuff it back into a closet, especially in the post-Twitter world, it's not going to work.
00:44:53.840There's just so many things in there like that.
00:45:57.200But he's talking like he's a 75-year-old man trying to take the Republican Party back.
00:46:01.700The thing that I want to know, Mark, that – and this might get taken out of context, and I hope it doesn't – but what is anti-Semitism?
00:46:09.720And to me, it seems anti-Semitism has morphed into something that is pretty much anything you say, speak out against the Israeli government, AIPAC, or any sort of mishap that's happening in that country.
00:46:21.880Not the people, not the people, but the problems that are happening in that country makes you anti-Semitic.
00:46:27.900And it's getting worse and worse and worse because of people like Mark Levin, who did this terrible speech.
00:46:33.880Hitler admirers, Stalin admirers, Jew-haters, American-haters, Churchill-haters – you're damn right we're going to cancel them and de-platform them.
00:47:39.960He ties in Holocaust-deniers with anyone who's – which is my point I just made.
00:47:46.100Anyone who speaks out against the Israeli government with a Holocaust-denier.
00:47:51.220And, I mean, to do that is extremely reprehensible and extremely irresponsible, in my opinion, for someone like him to know better than that.
00:48:00.480But this is the new world that we've morphed into, that anything is anti-Semitism.
00:48:05.860Well, it goes back to Brylin Hollihan and the way he defined what I call woke right.
00:50:57.440Exited the wrong end of his dwarf like body.
00:50:59.820But he does have his committed following of gropers.
00:51:03.720He really should replace that funeral like suit with the brown shirt like a good Nazi.
00:51:08.240As for deportation, given his mixed background, like what?
00:51:12.840He would qualify for expulsion to a number of third world countries where he could crawl back to his little dark hole like the cockroach he is.
00:59:36.220I mean, the Dems, who would have thought that they would go out and vote in droves for a person that advocated the killing of their political opponent and their children as well?
01:00:04.880She's been down quite a bit for a long time.
01:00:08.540And Virginia has, as government has expanded, as the federal bureaucracy has expanded, the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.
01:00:18.760The more federal bureaucrats in the Washington, D.C., Virginia, Maryland area, the more blue it becomes.
01:00:24.480So that wasn't something that was unpredictable.
01:00:27.180And then New York, I mean, you know, let's face it.
01:00:30.660New York is the only thing that's shocking is Donnie had an overwhelming victory.
01:00:37.660OK, everyone was saying that the polls were tightening up.
01:00:40.560But this is what happens when Republicans surrender areas to Democrats and end up telling their people to vote for a governor who was thoroughly rejected and left the party, the governorship in disgrace.
01:00:55.680And they backstabbed their own candidate.
01:00:58.280So it's not surprising to see Momdani have the victory he does in New York.
01:01:04.500Mr. Polster, before we turn it over to you, I just want to go through some of these numbers that we've got in here just to get your reaction on where we're at in these races.
01:01:12.400With 88 percent of the vote in New York, Momdani's up 50.3.
01:01:16.920We'll call it 50 percent to 42 percent on Cuomo, 7 percent for Curtis Sliwa.
01:01:22.160In the Virginia's governor's race with 88 percent of the vote, I mean, a molly whopping 57 percent for Versus Boutenberg to Winston Sears is 43 percent.
01:01:32.200And then looking over at the New Jersey governor's race, I mean, absolutely getting murdered.
01:01:37.70083 percent of the vote in 56 percent to 43 percent.
01:01:42.340I hacked into your computer last week when you weren't around and I saw some polling that you were doing that showed this was going to happen.
01:02:13.040It could actually wind up being exactly six.
01:02:17.020But it's so hard to predict turnout here because basically you can't believe anything anybody says on the poll anymore.
01:02:22.160And the Democrats are like coming out to own drunk like they are still doing that, in my opinion.
01:02:27.180And also, it's like there's this idea.
01:02:30.280I don't think everybody's really come to terms with how much Trump won with crossover Democrats and with independents that just don't feel the need to come out when Republicans are on the ticket.
01:02:40.300This is the same story with the special elections back in the spring.
01:02:43.220And they're going to continue to lose until they have good answers because right now they're just governing like Republicans and people wanted to change and they're not getting a change.
01:02:51.280I think this is going to happen over and over again.
01:02:53.420And it's going to drive the country into the arms of Democrat socialists because the Democrats are moving left at breakneck speeds.
01:03:00.340And the right is kind of just like being its same old stupid right.
01:03:06.400Nick, I want to get your take on this because I've been following the Virginia race really closely.
01:03:10.660And I've met with some serious and I've spoken with her on the show many times.
01:03:14.120And she's what I embody is someone who's a country club Republican, someone who's just a good old establishment, doesn't want to rock the boat.
01:03:24.020Do you think that that's a part of the reason why she performed so poorly in this Virginia race, looking like she's probably going to lose by somewhere in the margin of seven to eight, maybe 10 points?
01:03:33.520You know, not embodying what President Trump won Virginia on, which was the America first agenda.
01:03:44.280Well, I think that partly explains it to a certain degree.
01:03:47.480But I think something that a lot of Republicans downplayed and even mocked and made fun of was the no Kings rally from a few weeks ago.
01:03:55.440And I was actually warning Republicans that, hey, when you have people turning out for protests, especially one as lame as that, they're going to vote.
01:04:06.300OK, they're going to go to the poll and they're going to vote.
01:04:10.420And it's a new dynamic because, let's face it, at the no Kings rally, it was mostly old people, old people who are supposed to lean Republican, old people who are supposed to lean conservative.
01:05:32.260So I think Republicans really need to get back to the core identity of fiscal responsibility, limited government starting to rein in the bureaucracy, returning power to the people and the states.
01:05:43.040And let New York City be the test case, because Momdani is now the face of the Democrat Party.
01:07:05.460No, your capitalism kind of screwed over America.
01:07:07.920Like these people, these young kids can't get jobs and their health care is super expensive.
01:07:12.080And you didn't really help them with that.
01:07:14.140You ship their jobs overseas and you haven't really like busted down on the corporations and done antitrust, like the kind of stuff you would expect Republicans.
01:07:22.640Like, I mean, they they have to offer a better economic system than the one that we currently have.
01:07:28.680And they're not doing it like Trump is.
01:07:30.780But Trump's not going to be on the ticket anymore.
01:07:32.580And hopefully J.D. Vance, like he's polling really well.
01:07:35.660I think he's the only one really that has a shot.
01:07:37.660But the idea that they're going to be able to like put Ted Cruz or Ron DeSantis on the ticket and go up against Momdani.
01:07:43.180The young people are going to usher this guy in on like in a parade with ticker tape like that's where we're at.
01:07:51.240Everybody wants economic populism, literally except the Republican donor class.
01:07:58.200Before I get your reaction, Mark, we brought up such a good point.
01:08:02.200I know so many people, so many young people, college kids, kids who are just out of college who voted for Trump because they liked what he was selling.
01:08:33.080Tulsi, whoever the nominee is, is not going to be able to fire up people.
01:08:37.580And to second that, nobody's going to be able to go up on a debate stage and say that they only called Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig and got away with it.
01:08:46.060So people don't realize the tides that Donald Trump brought in and a rising tide rises all boats.
01:08:53.800But when that tide goes out with Donald Trump, the Republican Party is going to lose a hell of a lot of support.
01:09:10.520All the Republicans were confident about a red wave.
01:09:13.080And in September of that year, I saw that no Republican was really talking about education.
01:09:18.760No Republican was going into communities that the Republicans long ignored, saying the Democrats did this to your children, that they destroyed your children.
01:09:27.820They kept your children socially isolated for two years.
01:09:30.680That led to a rampant mental health crisis.
01:09:42.560They don't talk about the issues that ordinary Americans care about.
01:09:46.620Like, where is the outrage that we spend one point four trillion dollars a year, local, state, federal government spending combined on education?
01:10:05.300Why don't Republicans make an issue that a whole bunch of college kids were lied to?
01:10:09.180They were told that if they go to college and get this piece of paper, that they're going to have a great career.
01:10:14.260We created this myth that the only pathway to success in life is through a college education.
01:10:19.540And students took out all these loans, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars.
01:10:24.120And now they're working as a store clerk somewhere.
01:10:27.040So instead of taking the fight to the university saying you need to do away with useless degree programs like gender studies or Caribbean studies, they just remain silent on it.
01:10:36.100When you look at home ownership, and this is the first generation that I'm aware of that that believes that their lives are going to be worse off than the previous generation.
01:10:46.380That's not the way it's supposed to be in America.
01:10:48.400And when you have the cost of housing, the average house at 400, 450, $500,000, that seems unattainable, especially when you made them take out $150,000 in student loans that they still can't afford to pay back.
01:11:03.180So Republicans need to get into those issues, but they don't.
01:11:08.340Instead, you hear, like Mark said, you hear the same old tired talking points of the Republicans rather than speak to the issues that people actually care about.
01:11:19.160And let's be honest, it's not just young people, right?
01:11:21.920It's people in their 40s and 50s that are also struggling, that also have a difficult time in how expensive things have gotten.
01:11:30.420I mean, I was talking to my wife the other day, and I was saying, you know, Trump really needs to bring down those food prices because every week we feel it when we go to a grocery store and we make a good living.
01:11:40.660It's not like where pop is out there, but we feel the crunch.
01:11:44.420And until you inject that economic optimism, until you show young voters, middle-aged voters, that there is hope, that America's days are brighter, that they're not going to vote for you.
01:11:56.580And I think without Trump on the ticket, it really is going to create problems for Republicans if they don't get to their act together.
01:12:03.720And I will give either of you 10 bucks.
01:12:49.960It kind of, like you said, the 50-year mark where it's like people who spend all day online versus people who don't, who still listen to Fox News.
01:12:57.200And they're going to increasingly disagree on the future of the country.
01:13:00.600We're seeing it play out in real time on Israel right now.
01:13:04.660And, yeah, the Republicans are definitely stuck in this sort of like old aspect.
01:13:10.020And they were the ones that caused this problem.
01:13:12.260Like, I'm an honest pollster, so I'm doing a hell of a lot worse than you.
01:13:26.060The one way that they could fix this really, really, really rapidly is to fix the wage issue, to make the job market overheat.
01:13:34.500Because I'm old enough to remember when Obama said that coal miners should learn to code.
01:13:38.720And I think that if we got rid of 2.6 million foreign nationals who are here on visas who are taking all of our engineering jobs, that our biggest national project could be teaching 2.6 million people in the Gen Z to code so they could afford houses.
01:13:59.460And, yes, those are all the Republican donors.
01:14:02.500But I haven't heard a single person even hint at that direction, except for J.D. Vance.
01:14:07.480But at the same time, we're also going to see that civil war emerge in the Democrat Party.
01:14:12.660I mean, I have little doubt that you have Congresswoman AOC is really going to challenge Senator Schumer for his seat, and she will win that primary.
01:14:20.680And I think that as screwed up as the Republicans are, Democrats are even more screwed up.
01:14:27.640And, unfortunately, that's, like, the only saving grace by default.
01:14:32.360Yeah, the only problem is people feel good voting for Democrats.
01:15:28.680But New York City just voted to have that happen.
01:15:30.900So this is what people are going to get now.
01:15:33.920But going back to what you said about AOC in the Senate, what people don't realize is it's more of a granular level issue that the New York State Assembly, the New York City Council, has more power in the state and city of New York than does AOC as a senator or one of two senators in New York.
01:15:50.660And that's the thing that people don't realize.
01:15:52.280And that's the thing that these politicians don't realize.
01:16:41.720That means in 2028, when there's a problem with a damn ballot, it goes to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and they tell them you don't have a standing.
01:16:47.920That's the big picture that people aren't understanding, that a big picture boils down to the small picture.
01:16:52.800And the small picture is we've got to start looking at these city councils and these state legislators if we want to make a change, Mark.
01:16:59.480If you want to do a ratification in this country, it's not going to take Congress to do that.
01:17:04.560It's going to take the governors of these states.
01:17:07.500John, who did everybody pin their hopes on in New Jersey?
01:17:11.800Everybody was pinning their hopes on one person, Scott Pressler, some guy with a 501 C3.
01:17:18.120And so that's how low the Republican Party is.
01:17:20.900They're literally not doing their job so bad that they're hoping other people show up to do their job for them.
01:18:42.000Those parties emerge outside of the GOP itself because the GOP, when they hold their meetings, the party bosses are the ones that do the speaking.
01:18:51.240They don't talk about anything interesting.
01:20:52.200And that's usually what happens when the debt to government, you know, total government debt to GDP ratio goes above 100 percent.
01:20:58.120It's like the escape hatch that the elites use, throw some kids into the wood chipper and maybe we'll skate by.
01:21:04.020So then there's that there's now the Democrats are emboldened and Trump is still going to roll National Guard troops down, you know, the avenue in Chicago to try and defend ice.
01:21:15.180And are they going to, you know, get a little bit of that Fort Sumter feeling?
01:21:22.520And then it's like, OK, well, if you look at what's happening online and how upset the youth are, you're basically talking about like a Communist Party versus a National Socialist Party shooting it out.
01:21:48.380The one thing that I'll say about Momdani, the one area where I'll give him credit is he was very honest with the people about what he wanted to do.
01:23:23.680There's so much more news to get to today because it seems now this government shutdown is going to start affecting the everyday lives of average Americans.
01:23:32.920We're coming right back with Professor Nick Giordano and the great Mark Mitchell.
01:23:42.600So I guess we're now in a record breaking shutdown, Mark, and you're delighted about it because you're big on the fiscal responsibility of the United States government, as I think Nicholas is and as I am.
01:23:52.560But the Trump administration came out today and said they're going to cut the deficit by 600 billion this year alone.
01:41:48.720And then Momdani and AOC are in the purple one, which is, like, I'm taking this crap over, and we're going to grift the hell out of it, you know?
01:41:56.700No, I think it's a good graphic, and I think you're bringing up great points.
01:42:00.380The only thing I may disagree with is the 60% and burn the system down.
01:42:04.580I find the – I encounter people that it's just – they don't care.
01:43:09.480And it's what will destroy our republic or basically what – paying for end-of-life care for boomers is what's going to give us that final shove over the cliff.
01:43:17.060And we got the right people in charge right now, and nothing's happening.
01:43:23.420Well, but again, I think that we look at the education system.
01:43:27.680We look at how it's fundamentally collapsed.
01:43:29.640We look at people that don't think critically.
01:43:32.000We've spent, what, $23 trillion since the war on poverty began, and the poverty rate is pretty much the same.
01:44:47.120And Mark says that we're now on the fourth turning, and something's got to give in.
01:44:51.020Whether it be the housing crisis that we're in, the debt crisis we're in.
01:44:54.740And I'm not just talking about government debt.
01:44:56.420I'm talking about personal debt at an all-time high among every single American.
01:44:59.560Not every single American, but a large majority of Americans.
01:45:05.600So Mark is under the impression, and I tend to agree with him more and more every time he talks about it, that we're now in this fourth turning where something's got to give it some aspect in this country to essentially hit the reset button.
01:45:19.880It will, but what comes next probably is going to be a hell of a lot worse that we're going to have to slow through.
01:50:00.340Who's got the biggest social media following?
01:50:02.780And it's really not it's not about that.
01:50:05.540It's about, as you said, getting America back to its fundamental values of truth, justice and the American way.
01:50:11.980And we've drifted so far off that path that that path that maybe the fourth turning is what is needed in this country to get us back on track to that truth, justice and the American way.
01:50:23.620Nick, we'll give you the last word here before you depart and tuck your kids into bed.
01:50:27.800I think you're bringing up a great point when you when you do look at the social media and how people interact on social media.
01:50:34.000It seems like today most things aren't based on substance.
01:50:38.800Everything is about optics and perceptions, and there's no real deep thought that takes place.
01:51:13.100And the second people hear what they don't want to hear, they start attacking you like they could agree with you on 95 percent of what you say.
01:51:21.480But the second you deviate from their narrow minded point of view, well, now all of a sudden you've betrayed them.
01:51:30.060And how many people I had on front of me?
01:51:32.060So I'm like, no, anyone who any Republican that advocates voting for a disgraced governor of New York state in Cuomo should be ashamed of themselves.
01:53:17.260If we get in a galvanizing war against another country, that would probably bring everybody together in a very patriotic way.
01:53:23.300If it turns inward into some civil war, it's 100% going to be like global homo DEI Democrat socialism versus like literally probably Christian white identitarianism.
01:53:33.980That's just what's going to happen based on like the current trends.
01:53:37.140But like remember when everybody hated each other after Bush Gore and then all of a sudden everybody was like, oh, my God, Bush is the best president ever because of 9-11.
01:53:48.280Well, we're going to see stuff like that like during the fourth turning.
01:53:52.740And there's no way to know at all like what that looks like.
01:54:50.080And one just popped across my phone that I couldn't stop laughing.
01:54:53.860But this is – and I want to read it to the audience, Mark, because this is what – the mindset of what people think and what we talked about with Roger earlier.
01:55:03.080My mother tweets in this chat, Cuomo won Staten Island.
01:55:08.540If that stupid red hat dropped out, it would have been a tie.
01:55:12.300This is the misconception that Roger had spoken about, assuming that the uninformed voters like my mother – no.
01:55:20.860Right now, as it sits with 90% of the vote in, Momdani's at just about 51%, with Cuomo at 41%, Sliwa at 7%.
01:55:28.760That's assuming now that he'd pull all 7%, which is not the case.
01:55:34.420Well, let's also acknowledge that Sliwa definitely over-polled his actual turnout.
01:55:39.020He was doing a lot better in the polling, and his people just didn't show up at all.
01:55:44.560I mean, were people telling the truth that – you know, you're a pollster, Mark, and I'm a pollster in a sense.
01:55:49.140And I do a different kind of polling than you.
01:55:50.900My polling is usually done in grocery stores or sporting events where I talk to people.
01:55:55.200And in some cases, I would argue that's the most important polling you could do is talking to the people and seeing what their mindset is and interacting with them face-to-face.
01:56:06.080But, I mean, there's no doubt that the Republicans – as you said, this could be a win for the Democrats if they grossly underperform.
01:56:13.500And by every metric, what we're looking at right now, the Virginia governor's race, Mark, I mean, this is a massive 15 points with 95% of the vote in Virginia.
01:56:28.540I mean, that is absolutely massive and not like any poll I think we've seen out.
01:56:34.140But Mikey Sherrill in New Jersey right now up about 13 points with 95% of the vote in.
01:56:42.540So I don't know where the outstanding areas are, but I'm not sure how you make up 7% of the electorate in 6% of the outstanding vote, if that makes sense to you.
01:56:55.920Yeah, I see her at – Decision Desk is projecting –
01:57:45.060And they don't like what you stand for.
01:57:46.860And you make yourselves look retarded and you fail.
01:57:49.180And so, like, how are they going to fix this?
01:57:53.600I really don't know because they are spending every fiber of their being not only to rebel against MAGA, but to redefine MAGA into being pro-Israel.
01:58:48.720Are we just going to see business as usual come the midterm elections where the Republicans think that they're just going to sit on their asses and win?
01:58:57.240Well, we'll see specifically, like, vis-a-vis the polling, like, why there was an under turnout.
01:59:03.300And we'll be able to apply some of that to the 2026 polling.
01:59:06.860But, again, like, an actual midterm cycle is different than, like, a special election off-cycle kind of thing.
02:01:54.500Well, you say donate to the candidate.
02:01:56.360But I even wonder how good that is, John, because so many of these candidates, these outsiders are forced to run and use the traditional establishment vendors.
02:02:05.080And they're told really, really, really bad advice.
02:02:10.420And in some cases, I've heard stories of the vendors being used against them with their own money, which is really kind of horrible.
02:02:16.440So my point is, if you wanted to give a lot of money to save America, who would you even send that money to?
02:02:22.800At this point right now, probably the Wounded Warriors, probably Tunnel to Towers.
02:02:31.080I mean, I haven't given a political donation, Mark, in probably six or seven years.
02:02:37.340And the last very big political donation I gave to was a friend running for state assembly in New York.
02:02:42.940I mean, I mean, I'm dealing against it because you're doing better than me because I know why the money is spent, Mark.
02:03:30.960But let's just say that you were some magical unicorn trillionaire and you wanted to give $200 million to save America.
02:03:39.080And my point is that I don't think there's currently any organization that you could give that money to and trust that it would actually move the ball downfield.
02:04:37.440And that's, you know, at the beginning of the whole Elon Musk thing, I was very upset with Elon.
02:04:41.520And I'm still upset with Elon, how he handled the situation.
02:04:43.900But I understood the whole time his frustration, Mark.
02:04:47.020I understood that he went to Washington, D.C., not knowing how the thing ran and came out extremely deceived and disappointed with not what he was promised, but his expectation that he was going to be able to go in there and actually make a change and actually make a difference.
02:05:03.580Little did he know that the Washington swamp and the machine was going to eat him right up.
02:06:04.280We have a lot of Christian conservatives.
02:06:06.920And yet I don't really hear a lot of people out there leading on things like marry young, have children, find faith.
02:06:14.320And those things you could say, well, there's a separation of church and state.
02:06:18.440But if we had done more of that, I think objectively we'd be in a little bit different societal situation right now.
02:06:23.980And the problem is, is the Republicans are so cowardly that they wouldn't even lean into that.
02:06:28.300And this like was a very big topic because of J.D. Vance came out at the Turning Point USA event and actually had the horror to say he was trying to convert his Hindu wife, really agnostic, into Catholicism.
02:06:40.780And that gave people like heart attacks and heart palpitations.
02:06:43.640Because as a Christian, you're not allowed to do that, even though it's like literally written in the Bible.
02:08:36.600Another thing they could do is get California voter rolls and remove illegal aliens from them and aggressively deport people from California.
02:08:47.440There should be like an ice raid on California.
02:08:50.140Get rid of as many illegals as possible because we know they're voting.
02:08:54.340But what makes me feel gross, though, John, is that people in good faith actually came to me and were worried about Prop 50 and were like, is this going to pass?
02:09:06.540And the answer is, of course, it's going to pass.
02:09:08.600The Democrats want it, and it's in a Democrat stronghold.
02:09:11.120But the fact that people didn't understand that was kind of sad, that they've been misled to think somehow that the political calculus is different than how it really is.
02:10:17.620It would really be great if we could fix society before we dump the young generation into total global war to clear away the bankster debt.
02:10:47.280But I hit a really banger, too, that a lot of people didn't get.
02:10:50.980John, read this one aloud for the crowd.
02:10:53.320I bet the folks at the villages are getting more tail than the zoomers they're going to send off to war.
02:11:01.160You should have tagged Rylan Hollihan to that.
02:11:07.560Actually, he's probably like Harry Sisson, where he's got like all these side pieces on text that he's you know, that guy's like a predator.
02:11:19.240Now, you might not get the context, but this was a very popular meme back on the Donald back in the day where there was a period where everybody was mad at Ted Cruz and they called him lying Ted.
02:11:31.100And then all of a sudden he did some good America first stuff.
02:11:46.900I think I've got the video that that I was referring to.
02:11:50.620Give me one second, because I think we could all get a laugh out of this on where Ted Cruz has taken this massive turn.
02:11:56.680And for those of you who didn't see it and who who heard about it, the Ted Cruz Tucker Carlson interview that really upended the Western world over here.
02:12:06.020It was Ted Cruz being questioned about his political donations from a pack.
02:12:14.700We're getting it up here for the audience who hasn't seen it, who want to be filled in on what's been going on and the controversy between Ted and Tucker Carlson, as the Democrats and rhinos like to call them.