The Great America Show - GET THE MEN OUT OF WOMENS SPORTS!

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show. It's great to have you with

00:00:05.880 us. Thanks so much for joining us today. Our guest today is Professor William Jacobson,

00:00:09.660 folks. He's a Cornell University law professor, and he's also the founder of the Equal Protection

00:00:13.800 Project. He joins us now. Professor Jacobson, it's great to have you with us here on The

00:00:18.320 Great America Show. And as I told you before, you're one of Lou's favorite guests. You were

00:00:22.100 such a brilliant mind, so we couldn't think of a better guest to have on today to talk

00:00:25.980 about all that's going on. The question I often ask on this show, and maybe you can answer

00:00:30.260 this because you're a brilliant scholar mind, why are we still asking on job applications

00:00:35.240 what your ethnicity is and what your gender is and whether you're gay, straight, heterosexual,

00:00:42.020 bisexual? What does that have to do with anything? Well, it doesn't. There's a saying that collapse 1.00

00:00:53.780 comes gradually, then suddenly, okay? And we've been gradually moving towards a collapse of our

00:01:01.740 institutions, which have been completely captured by group identity politics. And you can call it

00:01:08.960 diversity, equity, and inclusion. You can call it anti-racism. You can call it critical race theory.

00:01:14.160 It's all of those things, but it's an identity politics. Who you are and whether you get hired

00:01:20.240 depends on what group you are serving as a proxy for. So we no longer hire the individual because

00:01:27.800 of the individual. We take into account what group are you part of. And so how did it get to this point?

00:01:34.280 It got to the point over the course of a decade or more. How did it specifically get to this point?

00:01:40.520 In 2021, Joe Biden issued an executive order, now rescinded by Donald Trump, which forced the federal

00:01:48.040 government to engage in what it called racial equity throughout everything it does. So this was a

00:01:55.060 man-made disaster, okay? It didn't need to be this way. And he doubled down on it in 2023 with a second

00:02:01.740 executive order, which is also now rescinded. So what's happened at the FAA didn't start with Biden,

00:02:08.460 as you indicate. It goes back to the Obama years. But the acceleration of the collapse has taken place

00:02:16.740 because the federal government, both in terms of hiring, contracting, grant making, almost every

00:02:24.580 aspect of it has been captured by a group identity ideology, which again could be described in many

00:02:32.160 different ways with many different acronyms, but it elevates identity over quality and merit. And the person

00:02:40.980 who's hired may have quality and merit, but that's not why they're hired, okay? And they're hired because of skin

00:02:45.940 color or gender identity or something else. And so we're now seeing the sudden part of the collapse

00:02:52.700 that has been coming.

00:02:54.520 Doesn't this, Professor, go against every fabric that Americans believe in right now, that this country

00:02:59.000 was built on, that we're all the same inside, that it doesn't matter what color your skin is,

00:03:04.200 we're all the same on the inside, we all live for the same thing, God, family, and country, at least

00:03:09.200 that's what I like to think. Doesn't this go against every fabric in our body?

00:03:15.040 It certainly does. I mean, a lot of people say, well, we're a country that was founded when there was

00:03:21.140 slavery. Okay, but that was, how long ago was that? Okay, at least since the mid-50s to mid-60s,

00:03:28.420 the civil rights laws have been passed, the ideology of the country unabashedly is against

00:03:34.060 discrimination against racial discrimination. The 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause applies

00:03:40.660 as well, as well as the Fifth Amendment applies, equal protection that's been read into it.

00:03:46.880 So at least for 70 years, or 60 to 70 years, the ethos of this country has not been to pick people

00:03:55.980 based on the color of their skin, just the opposite. So, you know, if you went back to the 1930s and 40s,

00:04:01.880 maybe you could make an argument that that wasn't our ethos as a country, even despite the

00:04:06.880 Constitution. But you can't make that anymore. It's been 60, 70 years. We shouldn't be doing this

00:04:11.840 right now. We shouldn't be engaging what amounts to racial retribution. And that's really what it is

00:04:18.020 that's going on. They call it anti-racism. They call it a lot of different things. But it's holding

00:04:23.420 some applicant for an air traffic controller job, you know, not giving that person that job because of

00:04:30.260 what somebody with a similar skin color did 80 years ago. How ridiculous is that? We need to move 0.98

00:04:36.700 beyond this. And you know what, Professor, that African-American, that Hispanic-American, that

00:04:42.080 Asian-American, whatever the ethnicity may be, it's a slight to them because they fought to where they 0.98

00:04:49.860 get to where they are today, to the job that they want based on their grades. I can guarantee you nine

00:04:55.920 and a half out of 10 of those folks who've gotten a job of a certain race are offended by this because

00:05:01.840 it's not right. It should be based on your merit. And it probably sticks in the back of their head.

00:05:07.480 Was I hired because I'm of different race? Am I hired to make a quota? Or was I hired because

00:05:13.360 I was actually the best candidate for this position? Going back to the job applications of asking,

00:05:19.860 you know, if you're male, female, your race, ethnicity, is there any legal remedy that this

00:05:26.380 country can go through federal government, state and local governments to get that off of a job

00:05:31.080 application, to get that off of a college application so that you don't even see a name?

00:05:36.380 Yeah, well, it depends. Some of that data is required to be collected for statistical purposes.

00:05:43.500 And so the person doing the hiring really doesn't need to see that data, but it's data the government

00:05:47.880 wants to collect for whatever its reasons. But, you know, in the federal government now,

00:05:52.860 that's banned. Those practices are banned since Donald Trump's executive orders. And remember,

00:05:57.960 the federal government has a massive reach. It's not just who gets hired by them. It's who they

00:06:03.920 contract with. And these racial mandates were imposed on private businesses that wanted to do business.

00:06:11.320 So I think it's changing. I really do think that it's changing.

00:06:14.900 Your mouth to God's ears. I want to take a quick break here. When we return, President Trump,

00:06:19.740 one of his executive orders went into effect at 5 p.m. today to remove all pronouns from employee

00:06:24.980 signatures. Isn't that it's like something so common, Professor Trump's Department of Education

00:06:30.700 also opening an investigation into schools, alleged discrimination of white students. Go figure.

00:06:36.260 We're coming right back with Professor William Jacobson, the brilliant law mind, Cornell University.

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00:07:48.840 of Cornell University. I want to turn to something. It was just, it seems so common to me of why it

00:07:55.600 shouldn't have been in place in the first place. President Trump at 5 p.m. today, one of his executive

00:08:00.340 orders went into effect to remove, for federal workers to remove the pronouns from their employee

00:08:05.140 signatures. Okay. It's mind blowing to me that this was there in the first place that you had to

00:08:12.460 have an employee signature. And I have family members who work for large corporations and they

00:08:18.740 were pretty much told by their managers in their LinkedIn profiles, you need to have your signature

00:08:22.600 in there. Otherwise, it's frowned upon. Have we gotten so stupid as a society, Professor, that we need to

00:08:30.420 tell people, I'm he, him, I'm he, she, I'm she, her, I'm they, them. What does it come to? 1.00

00:08:39.140 Well, this is how, you know, kind of leftist ideology gets to dominate. They force you to use their

00:08:46.440 terminology. They force you to take little steps that you don't want to take and then later more

00:08:53.100 little steps and then more little steps. So, you know, the whole pronoun thing is, you know,

00:09:00.600 one of those little steps. If they can get you to acknowledge the pronoun thing, that means you're

00:09:06.660 acknowledging a larger gender ideology and you're accepting it. And maybe you want to, maybe you don't

00:09:13.420 want to, but the, the use of those pronouns is a combination of forcing people to adopt ideologies

00:09:20.280 they may not agree with. And also really virtue signaling in many ways. It's, I'm going to show

00:09:27.340 everybody that I am holier than everybody else because I'm going to use pronouns. Okay.

00:09:32.920 And if you don't describe them by their pronouns, you're in big trouble in most corporations,

00:09:37.440 the federal government. I just want to read some, some briefs from this executive order because

00:09:41.240 president Trump is by no means a doctor. And the most surprising part to me, professor, is that

00:09:46.200 doctors who perform these surgeries, I always tell people on the show and it may be offensive and I

00:09:51.280 don't care. There's no such thing as transgender. You cannot change your gender. Your biological makeup

00:09:56.580 is what it was at birth. You can't change that. So I just want to read this executive order from

00:10:01.960 president Trump quote. It's the policy of the United States to recognize two sexes, male and female.

00:10:06.420 These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontroversial reality.

00:10:11.020 Under my direction, the executive branch will enforce all sex protective laws to promote this 0.88

00:10:15.500 reality. And the following definition shall govern all executive interpretations of application of

00:10:21.280 federal law and administration policy. I will just go through a few of them. Sex. Sex shall refer to an 0.75

00:10:26.600 individual's biological classification as either male or female. Sex is not a synonym for and does not

00:10:33.480 include the concept of gender identity. If you are a woman, if you are a male, male, males shall be

00:10:40.880 described as a boy, shall also be an adult, juvenile, human, males, respectively. Females means a person

00:10:46.680 belonged to at conception to the sex that produces the large reproductive cells. Why did it take President 0.67

00:10:53.860 Trump to come in, Professor, for something so common sense to be put into law? This shouldn't even be

00:10:59.700 something that we should be wasting our time on as a government. We have so many problems with this

00:11:05.120 country right now. You have a border that's out of control. You have China producing fentanyl,

00:11:09.680 shipping into this country, wiping out people. You had the coronavirus. I mean, there are so many 0.95

00:11:14.140 things that are wrong with this country right now. Yet President Trump is stuck here wasting time

00:11:18.480 on stupidity. Yeah. I mean, this is part of the ideology that's taken hold in the forced use of 1.00

00:11:25.920 pronouns, the use of pronouns in a signature, all those sort of things. And it got to crisis levels,

00:11:32.240 mostly because of what's happening with girls' sports. I mean, I'm so old. I remember when

00:11:37.800 girls having their own sports opportunities was a feminist issue. I mean, Title IX was a feminist 1.00

00:11:44.320 issue. It's how girls advanced. Everybody recognized that, well, one particular girl may be better than 1.00

00:11:51.340 one particular boy. As a group, men are stronger, physically stronger. Men are physically faster.

00:11:57.700 But this gender ideology has so twisted things that we've lost that distinction. So now you have 0.99

00:12:04.400 biological males, or also called males, in girls' sports. And if it is, well, it's only, you know,

00:12:10.880 one out of a thousand. But there are only three spots on the podium, okay? You don't need a thousand

00:12:16.000 people. And we've seen many examples in Connecticut and elsewhere of, you know, boys competing in girls'

00:12:23.420 sports and taking one of those three spots at the top. That means you don't get a scholarship. That

00:12:28.160 means you don't get money for college. And then you have the whole issue of women's prisons that, 1.00

00:12:33.980 I mean, what is really horrible stories, horrible, you know, gut-wrenching stories of women being put

00:12:40.280 in prisons with men who identify as women. And nobody's willing to stand up to it and say, wait a 0.99

00:12:46.400 second, what about the safety of women? What about the women's private spaces was a feminist issue? 1.00

00:12:52.520 How is it that men are in women's locker rooms? These are all serious issues. And it's unfortunate 0.67

00:12:59.200 it took, at least for the federal government, for Donald Trump to have to issue an executive order

00:13:05.700 that 10 years ago, people would have laughed about this situation. But it's a very situation,

00:13:11.780 women are entitled to their own rights. We've recognized that for a long time. They're entitled to 1.00

00:13:16.640 their spaces. And let's face it, this is really about women, protecting women. The men don't really

00:13:22.300 care about this so much. But a woman should not have to wonder who's in her locker room or who's

00:13:28.080 in her bathroom. And so it's common sense what he did. It makes logical sense. But we never should

00:13:35.540 have gotten to this point because people went too far. Right. And if you look to the adverse,

00:13:41.140 as you and I both agree on this, you're a sexist and you're a misogynist and you're canceled because

00:13:46.000 you're insensitive to these people who decided they wanted to try to change their gender. You 0.99

00:13:51.120 can't, as I said, I'm not a doctor. I'm just a common sense kind of guy, as most smart people

00:13:56.460 are. And it's just crazy that it's gone this far, that once again, the federal government had to step

00:14:02.420 in to stop. But it didn't stop there, Professor. It went further than that. You have kids now in

00:14:07.540 classrooms in New Jersey who think that they're dogs. They're called furries. You send your kid to

00:14:13.520 school and they're pretending to be animals. This falls on the parents and the way that they're

00:14:18.600 raising the kids. I don't think that the kids are being raised the way they were when you were a

00:14:23.620 child. Even when I was a child growing up in the late 90s or early 2000s, we learned respect. We

00:14:29.500 learned that you respect elders, you respect your women, and you lived your life like a gentleman or

00:14:36.240 like a woman. But now you've got all types of crazies. Kids wanted to be furries. Men 1.00

00:14:43.340 wanted to play in women's sports. And it's gotten so bad that we've had to take it up 0.55

00:14:48.340 now to the Supreme Court, to high courts. Why can't these schools just say, listen, this

00:14:53.240 is it. You're a man. You're playing in a man's sport. You're a woman. You're playing in a 0.98

00:14:56.100 woman's sport. And why can't these schools just say, you are what you are when you were 1.00

00:15:00.400 born on your birth certificate?

00:15:02.760 Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I've heard the story about the furries. I don't know if that's

00:15:07.580 true. It's true. But it wouldn't be shocking if it was true. Okay. You know, but that's

00:15:15.880 not the problem. The problem is not children growing up to think they're animals. It's

00:15:20.680 children being told from the moment they enter the school system that they don't really know

00:15:25.800 what they are. They're not a boy or a girl. They're whatever they want to be. And it's age

00:15:30.580 inappropriate. You know, and that's really what went on in Florida with the, you know,

00:15:36.000 falsely labeled don't say gay law, which had nothing to do with saying gay. Okay. That's 0.95

00:15:41.520 how they frame things. It simply restricted what sort of sexual material could be provided

00:15:47.280 to children through the third grade. Okay. You know, kindergartners. And, you know, there's

00:15:54.020 something very troubling about what seems to be an organized, you know, effort to cast doubt in

00:16:01.380 young children's minds. Okay. And it's very sickening in many ways that that sort of proselytizing

00:16:09.060 process that seems to be going on. Leave the kindergartner alone, please. Okay. And what about

00:16:15.200 the parents' rights? Why can't the parents? There's litigation ongoing now about whether parents can opt

00:16:21.300 their kids out of certain things. And what is it? It's a left-wing totalitarian, you know, attitude

00:16:28.040 that they must control everything, including your kids. You know, it's very Soviet-like. I studied in 0.78

00:16:33.560 the Soviet Union during part of college that, you know, the kids belong to the state. They don't belong 0.96

00:16:39.420 to the parents. And that's where we're heading in this country. And it's very dangerous. The attempt to,

00:16:45.140 you know, extricate parents from school systems, the attempt to, by the Justice Department,

00:16:49.760 to prosecute, you know, moms and dads who maybe spoke a little too loud at the school board meeting.

00:16:55.520 Okay. This is all a process of, you know, taking parents out of the equation. And so how did we get

00:17:02.400 to this point? We got to this point the same way we got to everything else. The institutions have been

00:17:07.620 captured by the ideologues and who are advancing theories that just 10 years ago would have gotten

00:17:15.320 them laughed out of the room. And now if you don't agree with it, you get fired.

00:17:20.200 Right. The thing that's so perplexing to me is that, you know, used to be back in the day that

00:17:24.340 every kid got a beating from their parents. You did something wrong. You got a smack, you got a,

00:17:29.720 you know, whatever. Now you do that, you go to jail. All right. If you do that, you're going to jail,

00:17:36.040 but you could mutilate your child, five years old, four years old, whatever you want.

00:17:41.560 I see these videos on Instagram all the time, a parent dressing their son up as a girl singing

00:17:46.100 Taylor Swift. That's completely fine. You could send your kid to the, you know, transgender surgeries. 0.98

00:17:53.060 You're fine. But if you smack your kid on the rear end for doing something wrong to teach him a lesson, 0.99

00:17:58.200 you're going to jail. We've gotten so ass backwards in this country. I really just don't know how we 0.93

00:18:04.200 could ever revert and come back to reality. Are you confident we can?

00:18:08.060 I don't know. You know, my attitude is two things are not mutually exclusive. Whether you're in favor

00:18:15.760 of corporal punishment or not, I would kind of, you don't have to hit your kid, but you also don't 0.98

00:18:20.380 have to put them through transgender surgery. Okay. How about we do neither? Okay. And I think that's a 1.00

00:18:26.480 problem. I mean, it's really, these surgeries are horrendous. They're grotesque. They're offensive.

00:18:33.920 I, we're already starting the process, but we're going to look back upon these three to four years

00:18:41.160 and wonder how we let this happen to children. Remember, it's grotesque enough when it happens

00:18:47.080 when you're an adult, but at least adults get to choose things. But, you know, 11, 12, 14, 15 year olds,

00:18:54.840 there's a reason we don't let them drive and we don't let them vote. Okay. Because they don't have

00:18:59.960 the mental maturity. And I mean that in the brain process way to make those sort of life altering

00:19:07.020 decisions. And, and the medical industry has been captured. The medical associations have been

00:19:13.600 captured. It's really horrible. The stuff that's gone on in the medical industry is, I keep using

00:19:19.760 the word grotesque, but that's what it is. When you read about these surgeries, who thought this up? I

00:19:25.120 mean, how could you possibly do that? It used to be very exceptional cases. In Sweden, you could get

00:19:31.040 those surgeries and so on, but truly exceptional cases. Now you have entire hospitals putting out

00:19:38.000 videos about their gender affirming care, which is just a euphemism for life altering changes to a child,

00:19:45.060 either pharmaceutically or surgically. And it shouldn't have been allowed. It shouldn't be allowed.

00:19:50.480 I mean, you know, just because you've got an MD doesn't allow you to do anything you want to a

00:19:56.140 child. And I hope there are prosecutions down the road. There was a doctor, I think he was in Dallas,

00:20:01.100 Texas, maybe last year or so, who spoke out against these, these gender affirming surgeries.

00:20:07.180 And the DOJ, of course, came back, it came after him. Now I hope President Trump and his administration

00:20:11.620 looks into that and, and writes the wrong, but how can you be a doctor? I mean, doctors and lawyers

00:20:17.200 are among, depending on the lawyer, your select few are some of the smartest minds in this country,

00:20:21.960 right? The people who make the laws are the people who built this country and determine what's right,

00:20:27.480 what's wrong. And doctors are the ones who save lives. It's troubling for me, professor, to see a

00:20:32.160 doctor, a man who went through years of medical school, a man who knows human anatomy, to sit there and

00:20:40.060 think it's okay to sit there and perform a surgery. As you said, that's irreversible. Five-year-old,

00:20:45.180 six-year-old kids, once you go gender mutilation, there's no going back. I mean, that's it. And you 0.62

00:20:51.520 look at the stories now of kids who are coming out 10 years later, five years later saying,

00:20:56.040 I ruined my life. There's no going back. I lost the five years of my life. I mutilated myself. I

00:21:01.360 removed my breasts to do this. And it's over. I mean, your life is ruined. You look at Elon Musk,

00:21:06.760 smartest man in the world. He lost his child to the same thing. And it's, you know, it's not

00:21:11.560 a socio issue where the poor people do it, the rich people do it. Elon Musk, the richest man in

00:21:17.700 the world, the smartest man in the world, and he lost his child. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a social

00:21:23.540 contagion in many ways. It's become the cool thing to do. There have been other social contagions. I

00:21:30.160 think it's very interesting that it is most dominant among teenage girls, just like there was

00:21:36.140 a time period when anorexia was most prominent among teenage girls. And, you know, the internet

00:21:42.480 has made things infinitely worse. As to that doctor that you're talking about in Texas, I do believe

00:21:48.460 they dismissed the prosecution of him. What he was accused of doing is blowing the whistle,

00:21:56.140 essentially, on a Texas hospital, which was violating state policy in his mind. And he was

00:22:02.740 prosecuted by the U.S. Department of Justice for allegedly violating the privacy rights of the

00:22:09.080 patients that he blew the whistle on, you know, their medical cases. And that has been, to my

00:22:16.340 understanding, that case has been dismissed. And he's been vindicated. Because what it was, it was

00:22:21.900 the medical establishment violating, he said, state law on not performing these surgeries and these

00:22:29.600 chemical interventions. And so he blew the whistle. And the Department of Justice, under the prior

00:22:36.700 administration, tried to find a way to prosecute him. That's how crazy a guy. They should have given 0.97

00:22:41.920 him an award. He should get the presidential, whatever that medal is that you give to civilians,

00:22:47.580 you know, for trying to protect children.

00:22:50.560 Yeah. Did you ever think in your years, I mean, you're a little bit older than me, not much older,

00:22:54.360 33, 34 years old or something, right? Yeah. Did you ever think... I just turned 30.

00:23:00.400 Did you ever think, I mean, through your years, you've seen a lot of stuff going on in this country.

00:23:06.400 Did you ever think we'd be at these crossroads where we're seeing things like we just discussed

00:23:11.700 with whether it be the DEI, whether it be these gender reaffirming surgeries of children,

00:23:16.160 even adults? Did you ever think, I mean, your mind must be exploding inside.

00:23:20.680 I never really did. You know, with the benefit of hindsight, I could see it developing. I can track

00:23:28.280 the history of it. I say, now it all makes sense. But when you're going through it, you don't realize

00:23:34.400 it. And it was a capture. The institutions we should most rely on, you know, medical establishment,

00:23:41.960 legal establishment, not to mention education establishment, have all been captured by far left

00:23:49.720 wing ideology. Doesn't mean every single person in those organizations is that way, but they've

00:23:55.040 been ideologically captured. And people say, well, what can we do? An executive order is a good first

00:24:01.720 step. But we really have a cultural battle here to regain control over society. And I think the place

00:24:07.880 it needs to start is in education, because that's where the damage is going. All the crazy ideas we're

00:24:14.780 now talking about developed on the campuses. They didn't develop in the hospital. They didn't

00:24:21.140 develop in the corporation. They developed on the campuses. And I forget who it was, but somebody

00:24:26.720 had the phrase, I think it was Andrew Sullivan, that, you know, we are all a campus now, or we're all the

00:24:33.520 campus now. Our whole society has gone into crazy land with these theoretical ideas that developed on

00:24:41.540 campuses and now have captured everything. So it's not a great situation. I think that I can look back

00:24:49.580 on it and understand what went on. And there were points in time where I understood it. And both I and

00:24:56.640 other people spoke out about it. But it really, hopefully this new presidency is a chance to reverse

00:25:05.540 the flow of what society has been happening. Not to get us back to some, you know, 1950s,

00:25:12.440 you know, leave it to beaver, you know, you know, family thing. But let's get us back to rationality.

00:25:18.300 Let's get us not back to the center, back away from the complete craziness. If we can, if Donald Trump

00:25:24.780 can accomplish that in four years, maybe with eight years and added on for J.D. Vance, he will have in

00:25:31.400 many ways save the country from self-destruction. You know, it's the crazy thing is it's not just

00:25:36.580 K-12 anymore. And we're going to talk about this on the other side of this break, but I just want

00:25:40.320 to get this point in. It's not just K-12. It's these colleges and universities. You belong to one

00:25:45.220 of them as a law professor, probably one of the best institutions in this country. If you went to

00:25:50.660 Cornell, if you go to Cornell, you think it's number one. If you went to Harvard, it's number two or so on

00:25:54.740 and so forth. But it's these colleges and institutions that are brainwashing facilities. I have a sister

00:25:59.460 who went to Colgate University up in Hamilton, New York. When she went, it was a top, I think,

00:26:03.760 15 school in the country. She left here, you know, Republican, whatever, you know, based on

00:26:08.640 our parents, we were born Republicans and came back this Marxist. I love her to death, but she came 0.90

00:26:13.480 back this Marxist liberal who sees the world a completely different way. And it's crazy. I have

00:26:18.480 another sister who went to school down in SMU in Texas, came back the same way she left. There was no

00:26:23.060 indoctrination there. You know, it was a good experience, but it's these universities that are doing it and

00:26:28.220 they're indoctrinating and they're brainwashing kids. And it's hard to believe. And we're going

00:26:32.860 to take this up on the other side of this quick break with William Jacobson, professor at Cornell

00:26:36.280 Law, how such smart kids who are in Ivy League schools, who are in these top universities,

00:26:42.040 can be so easily manipulated by these Marxist professors. We're coming right back with William

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00:27:46.740 now every order ship's absolutely free. Folks, we're back with Professor William Jacobson. He's

00:27:54.660 a professor at Cornell Law, and he's also the founder of the Equal Protection Project. He's got

00:27:59.640 a big lawsuit we're going to talk about in just a moment. But I want to start with this. How is it

00:28:04.760 possible that such smart kids, kids who scored through the roof on their SATs, go to these Ivy

00:28:09.960 League schools? They leave their home level-headed, seeing the country as a great place. And then

00:28:16.600 they come home after four years or their first Christmas break, and they're radicalized Marxists.

00:28:22.220 How is it possible?

00:28:25.740 Well, there are enormous social pressures on college campuses to conform. And the price of speaking out

00:28:34.300 of not conforming is so high in terms of being socially ostracized, or worse, that people just go

00:28:42.780 along with it. And it is truly astounding. In many cases, it may only take a semester for somebody to be

00:28:49.940 turned around. And we've got to look at that. And we've got to understand why and how that's happening. But I

00:28:56.280 believe it's a combination of the orientation and other ideology the colleges are pushing, and the

00:29:05.140 severe social pressure to conform. And orientation programs, you walk in, and your first two weeks is

00:29:13.600 all of the things we've been talking about here, okay? Basically, we just did the orientation program

00:29:20.640 from the other side that a college student would get. And, you know, it's not an exaggeration that

00:29:27.060 they are taught to believe that the United States is inherently evil. It's inherently racist. It can't

00:29:32.580 be changed. It's the main problem in the world. Capitalism is the main problem in the world. You know,

00:29:39.040 really, it's, and that's orientation, okay? And then you have the social pressure. The internet is one of

00:29:47.560 the worst things that ever happened in this world. Certainly, the social media part of the internet is

00:29:53.220 one of the worst things. There's mobbing on the internet. There's bad mouthing. Thankfully, you know,

00:29:59.440 when I grew up and went to college, I'm really thrilled there was no internet. Whatever the social

00:30:04.540 pressures were, you dealt with them in the cafeteria at high school. You didn't deal with them all night

00:30:12.640 long, all morning long, all day long on the internet. So it's really, I think we need to look at this. We need

00:30:19.980 to look at the rising rates of depression among students, particularly bad among females. And we need to

00:30:26.720 look at the dropout effect for young men. They are essentially dropping out of society in many ways, and

00:30:34.940 choosing not to go to these colleges. I can't blame them because on day one of orientation, they're accused of

00:30:41.640 being, you know, potential rapists. You know, and so it's a bad situation. People are voting with their

00:30:49.800 feet. Young men are voting with their feet. And I can't blame a lot of them, you know. And so, yeah,

00:30:56.440 it's a, but so many of the problems in our country stem from higher education. All this stuff that's going

00:31:03.220 on in elementary school didn't start in elementary school. It started on the college campuses with the

00:31:10.480 students who went into teaching, with the students who went into the foundations that provide money,

00:31:16.660 went into the, with the students who went into the publishing houses that published the books.

00:31:22.000 It didn't start in K through 12. It started in college, but it's now worked its way down into K

00:31:28.120 through 12. We have a major crisis in this country in higher education, and we, we, nobody seems willing

00:31:34.000 to address it. At least Trump is trying to address it. He's what, two weeks in, not even two weeks in.

00:31:40.360 You know, it's got four more years. I hope he keeps up the pace. Not all of these things will land. Not all of

00:31:46.040 these things will be successful, but some of them will be, and I'm all in favor of that.

00:31:51.300 I think you're absolutely right. And there's a saying, the fish rots from the, from the head down. And that's

00:31:55.060 exactly what we're seeing now, what you're saying, starting with the, with the colleges now.

00:31:59.180 You mentioned the whole capitalism thing. That was sort of the woke ideology before this whole,

00:32:05.880 everyone's racist. You probably remember the whole occupy wall street thing where a bunch of these

00:32:10.580 idiot kids sat on wall street, occupying it to get wanting to get rid of banks, not realizing that 0.99

00:32:17.080 everything they've bought, every piece of clothing they're wearing, every, everything their parents 1.00

00:32:20.680 done for them was bought through a bank. That was sort of the first thing. And I took special interest

00:32:25.220 to that because my father was in banking on wall street and my sisters are in wall street banking

00:32:29.660 and I'm sitting there and I'm, I'm young at the time. And I'm thinking, you know, I'm 15, 16.

00:32:34.080 How dumb are these people that they want to get rid of banks? What do you do with your money? 0.97

00:32:37.820 That was, that was one thing, but you're right. Technology and social media, these things are,

00:32:42.380 are the devil. They really are. You know, kids will never see the days of going and knocking on your

00:32:48.800 friend's door to tell them to come out to play, staying out on the street, playing, riding bikes until your mom

00:32:53.960 yelled at you to come home. Those days are long gone. And it's sad. I think my generation was probably

00:32:59.020 one of the last ones who got to witness that where you weren't sitting home playing video games all day.

00:33:03.160 If you weren't sitting on Tik TOK, you mentioned depression rates among women, you know, everyone

00:33:09.520 follows each other on Instagram, on Tik TOK. You see your friends are out. You're not invited, send you in

00:33:14.620 depression. You look at the uprising school shootings. I think that probably has social media probably has a

00:33:20.600 massive effect on what goes through these kids' minds. They see that they're not included in

00:33:24.620 plans. One of the kids gets beat up on the playground. Someone's got a video of it. Next thing

00:33:29.360 you know, it's all online and everyone's making fun of you the next day. It really, social media and

00:33:33.760 these cell phones have been the demise of, I think, society for the last 10 years coming. It's really

00:33:38.920 sad. The last thing I want to hit on is the other thing is birth rates. You look at the birth rate

00:33:43.080 decline in this country. People don't want to have kids anymore. Young women don't want to get 1.00

00:33:48.600 impregnated. Young men don't want to impregnate women. Birth rates are through the floor. And

00:33:53.360 we're literally a dying species. We're a dying society. What's your thoughts on that?

00:33:59.480 Yeah, I think that's essentially like a trailing indicator, if that's the right word,

00:34:06.520 that the fact that people don't want to raise families, they don't want to get married, they don't

00:34:12.160 want to invest in a future generation, is a reflection of all the other things that have gone

00:34:18.420 wrong in our culture. It's not unique to the United States. There are other developed nations where

00:34:23.860 it's worse. I mean, Korea is collapsing birth rate wise, much worse than we are South Korea.

00:34:30.220 Same throughout Western Europe. Very interestingly, the only economically developed country in the world

00:34:40.560 world where the birth rate far exceeds the replacement rate is Israel. And Israel has, I actually looked at 0.98

00:34:51.400 this the other day for a different reason. Israel, I think, has a 3.3 child per woman rate. And it's

00:35:01.680 roughly equal between, you know, Arabs and Jews. So it's not one or the other. They're roughly equal

00:35:07.460 rates. The Arab rate has come down dramatically with economic development to now where Arabs and

00:35:13.700 Jews are basically the same. But it's over three. Even for secular Jews, it's 2.2, which is basically 0.94

00:35:20.140 the replacement rate. For religious Jews, it's much higher. But there's something about that society,

00:35:26.040 despite all their problems, despite constantly being at war, despite terrorism, all these things,

00:35:33.400 they're also ranked the fourth happiest country in the world. And I think the happiness that they have

00:35:38.880 is reflected in the, you know, the birth rate. That's not true everywhere. Sometimes it's a

00:35:44.040 reflection of poverty, lack of access to contraception, things like that. But in the developed world,

00:35:49.900 the fourth happiest country also happens to have the highest birth rate. And so I think the things

00:35:54.920 you're pointing about, the collapse of our birth rate in the United States, is a reflection of,

00:35:59.940 I believe, in part, the growing unhappiness in this country.

00:36:04.880 Yeah. And you know what? And that's Israel, where you're mandated as a man to go into the military.

00:36:09.420 That's a whole different thing. We can't draft people into the military here. But I constantly

00:36:13.040 ask myself, I have no kids. I'm not married. Why would I want to do that to myself as for the kids

00:36:17.940 aspect? Why do I want to bring a kid into the world where I'm considered a domestic terrorist if I go

00:36:23.040 against what they're being taught in school? Why do I want to bring a kid into the world where it's not 0.98

00:36:27.700 even affordable to live in New York if you're not making $150,000 or more? Why do I want to bring

00:36:33.020 a kid into the world who's going to be indoctrinated once he or she goes to college to a belief? Why

00:36:38.140 do I want to bring a kid into the world that's going to grow up one day to hate me because I

00:36:41.620 teach them right from wrong? It's a very, very, very big problem. We could spend hours talking about

00:36:48.080 it. Before we get to your lawsuit, I want to talk about President Trump looking to cancel the visas of

00:36:53.360 the pro-Palestine protesters. We'd spoken to you a lot. You were on the show a bunch back when we had

00:36:58.780 the Palestinian protests at NYU and at Harvard and Cornell. Your thoughts as this is one of President

00:37:06.060 Trump's first acts in the first, as we say, 11 days in office to go after these terrorist

00:37:11.680 sympathizers who were terrorizing kids, were terrorizing a university, shutting down universities

00:37:17.360 like they own the place. Well, I think you better look at what the terms of their visas are. Let's

00:37:22.320 remember, these are people who are here on permission. And the terms of their, as I understand

00:37:28.360 the argument, is that this conduct by them, you know, flying the Hezbollah flag, flying the Hamas

00:37:34.720 flag, which may be lawful for an American to do it, may be lawful for them to do it. They don't go to 0.73

00:37:41.000 jail for it. But it might violate the terms of their visa that brought them here, allowed them to come 0.80

00:37:45.480 here. And I think the terms of visas is legitimate and should be enforced. And so I think that might be

00:37:52.120 a positive thing. I think if you look at a lot of these protests, there seem to be a very

00:37:56.800 disproportionate number of foreigners who are here on visas, taunting people on the streets and 1.00

00:38:02.200 engaging in aggressive conduct that may not be criminal in the United States, but may violate

00:38:08.400 the terms of their visa. And I think we should toughen up those visas. You don't have a right to

00:38:13.060 come to this country. And if you're going to come here, you have to abide by the terms that we allowed 1.00

00:38:18.200 you in. And I don't know if that conduct violates the visas or not. The president seems to think it

00:38:23.940 does. That will be litigated, of course. Everything's litigated. But, you know, I'm not very sympathetic to

00:38:30.300 the people who come here on a visa and the visa says you can't engage in support of terrorist groups or

00:38:37.220 whatever, and then comes here and, you know, taunts students, not just Jewish, but taunts American 0.53

00:38:43.420 students with a Hamas flag or with an ISIS flag. You're not deserving to be in this country if that's 0.97

00:38:51.180 what you're doing. Now, if you just have an opinion we don't like, that's a different thing. But I think

00:38:56.860 take it as it comes. And as of now, my understanding is the threat of deporting people is not because you

00:39:04.080 don't like their opinion, but because they're engaging in conduct, which violates the terms of their visas.

00:39:09.300 And this didn't even mention the guys and women who are burning American flags. Nobody's telling

00:39:14.600 you you have to be in this country. That's the great thing about it. If you're an American citizen,

00:39:18.440 you can leave freely. If you're not an American citizen, you're free to go back where you came 0.77

00:39:22.220 from if you hate this country and you hate the people that are here and the fabrics that we stand

00:39:25.980 for. It doesn't get much simpler than that. We all dealt with Joe Biden for four years gruelingly

00:39:33.200 with all the bad things he did in this country, and we took it. None of us said,

00:39:36.960 Berg, leave in the country if he wins. I think it's probably because they're a little bit more 0.92

00:39:40.480 level-headed than some of these marches. But it's truly sickening that this is what it's come to.

00:39:45.900 Real quick, before we get to your lawsuit, I keep saying we're getting to it, but I want to ask you

00:39:49.380 about President Trump's deportations and get a legal scholar's mind on it. I had said, and I believed 1.00

00:39:56.420 before he took office, that somewhere, somehow, it's going to get caught up in the courts.

00:40:01.600 Someone's going to come and block it. There's nothing in the Constitution about birthright

00:40:06.640 citizenship. What's your take on the deportations? Are we going to be allowed to continue to do

00:40:13.080 them? And President Trump wanted to get rid of birthright citizenship. What do you think the

00:40:18.280 implications are for that? Yeah, well, on the deportations, I think that it would not shock me

00:40:24.700 if some district court judges put a halt to things. But there are two to three million people

00:40:32.840 in this country illegally who have gone through the immigration judicial system. They have been

00:40:40.260 ordered to leave. Their asylum claims were denied, and they're still here. They have no basis for 0.99

00:40:45.600 interfering with that federal judge. Same with people who are here illegally and commit crimes. 0.92

00:40:50.680 You know, it would be nice if Congress would do its job, but there are already enough laws on the

00:40:57.220 books to deport them. And the, you know, law that I think it was signed today or yesterday about the

00:41:04.900 young woman in Georgia who was killed by Lakin Riley, that's legislation which should allow a lot of 1.00

00:41:13.740 these people. Remember, the outrageous thing about Democrats voting against that is we're talking about

00:41:20.460 people who are here illegally and who committed crimes while violent crimes while here. And they 1.00

00:41:26.680 want them to stay? Yeah. Okay. You know, sorry. So I think there will be a deportation. There will be a

00:41:34.400 lot of what's called self-deportation once the job opportunities dry up, once this is no longer their

00:41:41.460 free meal ticket. I think you'll find a lot of people leaving. I would not be surprised. It's not

00:41:47.300 going to address everything. On the issue of birthright citizenship, a lot of people are

00:41:51.520 treating that as a frivolous issue. Oh, you know, the Supreme Court's already recognized birthright

00:41:56.180 citizenship. Not really. It's not as clear as people think. The decision that people keep referring to

00:42:02.740 had to do with the children born to permanent resident aliens here. People who had permission to 0.92

00:42:10.600 stay permanently in the country. Not somebody who just landed on a plane from, you know, Asia on

00:42:17.580 birthright tourism. Not somebody who crossed the border illegally and gave birth. There's never,

00:42:24.000 to my knowledge, been a Supreme Court ruling on whether somebody, the child of somebody in the country

00:42:29.540 illegally is entitled to birthright citizenship. And there is significant evidence that the framers or the

00:42:39.440 14th Amendment did not intend that when they framed the issue of that's now called birthright citizenship.

00:42:47.520 So I don't think it's a frivolous issue. I can't predict how the court will come down. But it is not

00:42:52.680 a frivolous issue like some, like all of the media is treating it, all of the legacy media is treating it

00:42:58.500 like this is crazy. This is, you know, frivolous. A judge made a comment, apparently, in one of the

00:43:05.200 cases. Like, I can't believe any lawyer would come in here and argue. Well, there's a lot of scholarly

00:43:10.000 articles that argue that, one, our notion of birthright citizenship is not supported by the

00:43:16.980 Constitution and the framers of the 14th Amendment. And also that the case law really isn't as strong

00:43:23.320 for it as people are claiming. Right. I think that makes perfect sense. Well, I guess we'll just have

00:43:28.080 to wait and see how it plays out. But I wanted to get your take on that because, like I said, I think

00:43:33.040 you're a brilliant legal scholar. It's so funny to me how two people so far right, so far left can

00:43:39.640 be so far disconnected on the same issue. You know, there are some brilliant legal minds on the

00:43:46.340 left, not many, but it's just so funny to me. I want to turn to a lawsuit that you had filed last

00:43:52.200 August that's finally now picking up some traction against the Ithaca School District and their

00:43:57.180 discrimination against white students. Tell us a little bit about what's going on with the case and

00:44:02.340 how it's going to progress. So I teach at Cornell, which is in Ithaca. Okay. And it came to my

00:44:09.100 attention, I don't even remember how, somebody must have tipped me off or something, that they'd been

00:44:13.300 running a program called Students of Color United Annual Gathering, and that white students were

00:44:22.580 excluded from it. And I looked into it and I researched it. And sure enough, this was a horrible

00:44:28.660 program running over four years in the Ithaca City School District to which white students were

00:44:35.180 barred. To the extent, I mean, I'm not even talking about nuance here. They had a frequently asked

00:44:41.140 question on the official website explaining, why aren't white students invited? Okay. The registration

00:44:48.920 form required students registering for this event to affirm that they understand this is only for students

00:44:57.520 of color. Okay. The administrative emails that we gathered through various processes, mostly freedom

00:45:06.220 of information law process in New York. It was very clear, every level administrator. And what's outrageous

00:45:14.320 about it is that people did complain. Okay. After the first year of this event in 2021, I think it was,

00:45:22.640 people complained. Formally, it came up at the Board of Education, and the Board of Education ignored the

00:45:28.980 complaints. People in the community, and this is a liberal community, are saying, this doesn't seem right to me.

00:45:36.120 Okay. Why are we segregating students by race? The students who were, the non-white students were released 0.99

00:45:43.480 from class on the days of this event, and the white students had to stand behind, you know, in class, stay behind in

00:45:51.400 class. And so really grotesque stuff. And so we sent a demand letter to the district and went public with

00:45:57.880 it and got it written up, a lot of publicity. And the district said, oh, we're not really doing that.

00:46:02.660 That was just a miscommunication. And I didn't like that. Okay. Because it wasn't a miscommunication.

00:46:09.860 We have four years of your records. Okay. And so we then followed up in August. So that would have been

00:46:15.400 late May, early June of last year, after they'd been doing it for four years. And we filed a complaint,

00:46:22.880 civil rights complaint, with the Office for Civil Rights of the U.S. Department of Education. And in

00:46:29.020 it, we asked the Department of Education to open an investigation and take action against the district

00:46:34.080 for this grotesque four-year discriminatory program that they had. And just now, with this

00:46:41.000 incoming Trump administration, they opened a formal investigation. And that's the first big step

00:46:47.220 in any civil rights complaint with the department, is when they make the decision to open the

00:46:52.880 investigation. That doesn't mean they found the district guilty, but it means they think there's

00:46:58.340 enough there to open it. So that's what we have. They've now moved into higher gear. Let's put it that

00:47:04.160 way. And we think the district needs to be held accountable because dozens of teachers were involved in this.

00:47:11.000 Dozens of administrators up to the highest level. The Board of Education was involved in this.

00:47:18.480 And they were non-apologetic. They've never apologized for it. They've denied and obfuscated

00:47:24.920 what they did. They wrote it off in a press release, a public statement. This was a miscommunication.

00:47:30.900 We apologize for any misunderstanding from our communications. We will try to be better in the

00:47:36.920 future. No, this was outright discrimination on the basis of race against white students who could

00:47:43.480 not attend this event. And we want them to be held accountable. And I hope the Department of Education

00:47:48.680 does. We're calling for many things. I think they need a fine. I think they need to not just to have

00:47:56.060 perhaps an administrative monitor or so-called special master appointed. This is a district that's in very deep

00:48:02.760 denial about what they did. They still haven't apologized for it. I mean, that tells you right

00:48:07.840 there. And that's what we want. And hopefully under this new administration, you know, I'm not that

00:48:14.600 critical of the Department of Education Office for Civil Rights. They've opened other investigations for

00:48:20.820 us. But I really hope the new administration takes it to a new level and a new level of enforcement.

00:48:26.480 And these schools need to understand. We filed over 60 cases so far. These schools need to understand

00:48:32.420 the civil rights laws protect everybody. They don't only protect one race. And racism against whites,

00:48:40.600 against Asians is not OK, just like racism against blacks and Hispanics is not OK. There's got to be 0.93

00:48:46.680 equal enforcement of the laws. And that's what our Equal Protection Project, EqualProtect.org is all about,

00:48:52.820 which is holding schools accountable to not just the civil rights laws, not just the 14th Amendment,

00:49:00.200 but their own rules and regulations. All of these districts and all of these universities,

00:49:05.020 the 60 we filed against, all have in their internal rules that they will not discriminate on the basis of

00:49:10.960 race or national origin. And then they go out and they do it anyway. So I think Ithaca School District

00:49:17.100 needs to be made an example of. I'll go one further. I'm all for getting rid of the Department of

00:49:21.720 Education altogether. It's far too much corruption there. There's far too many bureaucrats who skate

00:49:27.560 by. You probably know a little something about tenure. They've probably got something over there

00:49:31.340 that, you know, makes them non-fireable and they just sit there their whole lives. They get a pension

00:49:36.780 and they mean to do harm. We need more attorneys like you in this country. And I know I understand

00:49:42.100 fully why you're one of Lou's favorite attorneys to have on the show. Folks, if you want to support

00:49:47.780 Professor Jacobson and his project, it's the Equal Protection Project. You go to equalprotect.org.

00:49:53.420 You can donate. You can read all about all the work that they're doing for this great country

00:49:57.620 and stopping this whole nonsense, this critical race era that we're in that hopefully is ending 0.92

00:50:03.960 soon. Professor William Jacobson, I appreciate you joining us today. Come back soon.

00:50:07.540 Great. Thank you very much. Thanks everybody for being with us today. Please be sure to join us

00:50:11.620 back here tomorrow for The Great America Show where our quest for truth, justice, and the American

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00:50:20.900 may God bless you. May God bless America and may God bless the great Lou Dobbs. We'll see you tomorrow.

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