The Great America Show - July 20, 2022


GINGRICH SAYS THE J6 COMMITTEE IS AN ABOMINATION & VIOLATES THE ENTIRE BILL OF RIGHTS


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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich joins Lou Dobbs on The Great America Show to take a fresh look at Joe Biden s dismal fall in the polls, and why he should be worried about what s happening in the rest of the country.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to this edition of The Great America Show.
00:00:05.960 We begin today with, I am sorry to say, our sad sack president.
00:00:11.320 Biden keeps sinking in the polls.
00:00:14.160 Biden is in his now customary safe space that is the basement in all polls all across the land.
00:00:21.780 And the Washington Post, of course, has an explanation for Biden's settled residency in the underworld of public approbation.
00:00:31.400 Of course, the leftist content plantation that goes by the trade style of the Washington Post
00:00:37.800 and whose master is the e-commerce king himself, Jeff Bezos,
00:00:42.500 has an explanation that doesn't include Biden's culpability in expansive global corruption
00:00:49.500 or any mention of his sheer ineptitude in all matters of public policy and what passes for governance
00:00:56.660 or any allusion to Biden's presidency as anything more than ham-fisted pretense.
00:01:03.580 So what did the post-punditry conjure as the reason then for Joe's political plunge?
00:01:09.480 Ready? Here it is.
00:01:11.860 The very best that the post-political pundits could come up with
00:01:16.520 as a rationalization for sad sack Joe.
00:01:20.860 He is, according to the post now, the victim of negative media.
00:01:27.360 Not his idiotic petro policies that have created runaway inflation, not seen in four decades.
00:01:33.760 Not runaway spending that has the United States now mired in more than $30 trillion of national debt.
00:01:41.060 Not his mad Marxist policies that attack our schools, our children, and their parents and families.
00:01:48.340 Or his invitation to the 8 million illegal aliens who will be residing in America by this time next year.
00:01:57.000 Two million of whom are already here.
00:01:59.880 We can think of them as the advance guard.
00:02:02.260 We asked the former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, to join us here today
00:02:07.080 to take up this singularly incompetent and unlikely unfit occupant of the White House.
00:02:14.420 Newt has a new book out, which we recommend to you highly.
00:02:18.560 It's entitled, Defeating Big Government Socialism, Saving America's Future.
00:02:24.800 Newt, welcome and good of you to join us.
00:02:27.020 I'd like to start with your judgment on the current political mood in the country,
00:02:31.340 the nasty atmospherics now.
00:02:34.480 Your thoughts?
00:02:36.420 Well, it seems to me, first of all, that the decay of Biden and the bizarre laughter of Kamala Harris
00:02:45.820 have combined to sort of put the Democrats in a funk.
00:02:49.900 And they don't see their way out of it.
00:02:52.400 I think they have conceded that they're going to lose the House.
00:02:56.260 They don't know by how big a margin.
00:02:57.500 So the last great stand of the left-wing propaganda media is that maybe they can keep the Senate.
00:03:05.580 Their candidates have raised a lot of money.
00:03:08.320 Most of the Republican candidates had to go through primaries, where, of course, you spend a lot of money.
00:03:13.760 And so if you were to take a snapshot as of mid-July, you know, you could make a case that some of their candidates are in pretty good shape.
00:03:21.900 But I'm going to go out on a limb.
00:03:23.700 I think they're going to take as big a bath in the Senate as they're going to take in the House. 1.00
00:03:28.920 And the reason is very, very simple.
00:03:31.240 As you know, I've been working on an American Majority Project, which people can go to at AmericanMajorityProject.com for free,
00:03:40.480 see everything we've done, all of our polls, all of our focus groups.
00:03:43.680 And it's clear to me that we are moving towards a tsunami, but it's not a red tsunami.
00:03:50.580 It's an American tsunami. 0.62
00:03:52.620 It's independence.
00:03:53.860 It's a significant number of Democrats.
00:03:56.000 It's overwhelming among Republicans.
00:03:58.700 And what's happened is that there are two things.
00:04:02.940 One, the performance failure is so unbelievably painful.
00:04:08.140 I mean, you look at, you know, Trump left at, I think, 1.4 percent inflation rate.
00:04:14.100 Now it's above nine and potentially rising.
00:04:18.260 Trump left with gasoline less than half the price it is now.
00:04:22.400 I just go down a whole list of things.
00:04:24.580 And people look at all that.
00:04:25.780 You know, they look at the left-wing George Soros-funded district attorneys who've been releasing murderers
00:04:32.160 and who clearly have a bias in favor of the criminal and against the innocent.
00:04:36.240 They look at the border, which has millions of people coming across,
00:04:41.000 and your money being used both to buy them phones and to buy them airplane tickets all over the country.
00:04:52.460 And I think people look at all that and they just think, at a performance level, this is a disaster.
00:04:57.900 We asked the question, do you think we need to return to restore the America that works?
00:05:03.760 And it was 87 percent yes.
00:05:06.920 Now, that means 87 percent of people think it's not currently working.
00:05:10.740 But there's a second problem for the Democrats, and that is that their values are seen by most Americans as nutty.
00:05:17.780 I mean, when you go out and say, which pronoun do you want me to use?
00:05:22.760 The average American thinks that's a little weird.
00:05:25.020 If you have a Supreme Court nominee who can't define the word woman, and then a few weeks later, a woman's right to choose becomes a big issue when they can't define what a woman is. 1.00
00:05:36.260 So whose right to choose is it?
00:05:38.740 It's an undefinable birthing person. 1.00
00:05:42.760 You know, the average person looks at all that stuff and they just think it's nuts.
00:05:45.540 And I think the combination of all that, I have a very simple formula.
00:05:51.020 If the Republicans go small, for example, if they run Herschel Walker against Womack, they might lose.
00:05:59.340 On the other hand, if the Republicans go big and they run Herschel Walker against Biden and the entire Democratic Party disaster, they're going to win.
00:06:08.480 And that's true in every state in the country.
00:06:10.380 It's true in Pennsylvania.
00:06:11.600 Mehmet Oz is going to beat Fetterman if it's a big issue election.
00:06:17.320 Fetterman might squeak through if it's a small issue election.
00:06:20.860 And you can just go around the country and you see this same pattern.
00:06:24.320 So I'm very intrigued with what's going on.
00:06:28.700 And I have enormous faith in the judgment of the American people.
00:06:33.820 Let me turn to what you said at the very outset, that you think they're going to take as big a bath.
00:06:38.380 They're going to take the radical Dems in the Senate as the House. 1.00
00:06:43.000 I mean, we're talking to pollsters who are looking at 40 to 60 seats in the House, which would be, I mean, that's Newt Gingrich history levels.
00:06:55.220 How do you really think it'll be that strong, that big?
00:06:58.140 Well, I think the potential is there.
00:07:01.480 I think Kevin McCarthy has raised more money than any Republican speaker candidate in history, including me and including John Boehner.
00:07:09.620 I think that the recruiting has been extraordinary.
00:07:13.520 I mean, look at the young woman who was born in Mexico, came to America, a legal citizen, married a border agent, won a seat which had been very Democratic in a special election recently.
00:07:26.520 She's just a harbinger of what's coming.
00:07:29.340 And you go, you see this all over the country.
00:07:32.800 The Democrats are relying on people being dumb enough to not figure out that expensive gasoline, expensive food, the shortage of baby infant formula, the existence of criminals on your neighborhood streets, that all these things are not just accidents.
00:07:48.880 These are the result of policies of big government socialism, which is why I wrote a book called Defeating Big Government Socialism, because this is not a matter of bad policy.
00:08:00.320 It's not a matter of Joe Biden had been cognitively impaired, whether he is or not.
00:08:05.500 It is.
00:08:06.020 It's not a matter of Kamala Harris having the worst laughter of any politician in modern times.
00:08:10.660 This is a function of a series of beliefs and a series of policies which simply do not work.
00:08:20.440 And I love the title of your book, Defeating Big Government Socialism.
00:08:25.360 I love actually even more your subtitle, which is Saving America's Future.
00:08:31.800 And I think you put two great thoughts on one title.
00:08:37.420 I think that that's an automatic bestseller.
00:08:39.580 I want to turn to the book in just a moment as we continue this.
00:08:48.220 I want to quantify these numbers.
00:08:51.480 In the Senate, most of the analysts and the forecasters and strategists and pollsters I talk with are talking somewhere around a gain of maybe three, maybe four seats.
00:09:05.660 Well, I mean, let's go around.
00:09:07.920 First of all, my hunch is we don't lose any Republican seats.
00:09:12.640 So we keep Wisconsin, which is a tough race.
00:09:15.640 But Wisconsin's trending Republican.
00:09:19.220 We keep Ohio.
00:09:20.780 We keep Pennsylvania.
00:09:22.260 I mean, if you look at Pennsylvania, here's Mehmet Oz's opportunity.
00:09:26.460 He's got Democratic Party-led crime in the east.
00:09:30.000 And he's got Democrat hostility to domestic energy in the west where Pennsylvania is one.
00:09:36.500 I think it's the number four energy producing state in the country.
00:09:39.420 And so all he's got to do is remind Pennsylvanians of what they have at stake.
00:09:47.240 So I don't think we're not going to lose North Carolina, which is a state which is trending our way.
00:09:52.520 Now, so then you look around and you start talking about potential pickups.
00:09:57.260 I personally believe that Herschel Walker is going to beat Womack.
00:10:03.920 I think that Womack is a very glib, very articulate preacher who advocates a hard left position, which in Georgia is about a 35 or 38 percent position.
00:10:16.560 And all they've got to do is tie Womack directly to Biden, tie Womack's voting to inflation, to gasoline prices, to food prices, et cetera.
00:10:27.240 And I think that they will just beat him.
00:10:29.900 You go a little further away, I personally believe that New Hampshire's in play.
00:10:37.300 We have a retired general.
00:10:39.520 Maggie Hassan has been considered the weakest Democrat incumbent up for reelection.
00:10:44.280 And I think, again, come September and October, when people begin refilling their fuel tanks for the winter, the sticker shock in New Hampshire, as in Maine, is going to be horrendous.
00:10:58.740 And people are going to say, we can't afford this.
00:11:02.000 So, again, I think we're more in play in New Hampshire.
00:11:06.740 One of the things people have a hard time understanding is that politics is not a Polaroid snapshot.
00:11:12.160 Politics is a motion picture.
00:11:14.280 And you can build a momentum.
00:11:16.620 You know, when we won in 94, the first time in 40 years, to have a House Republican majority, you couldn't have said in July that we were going to beat Chairman Danny Rostenkowski in downtown Chicago,
00:11:30.220 or we were going to beat Speaker Tom Foley in Spokane, Washington.
00:11:34.800 You couldn't predict those things, but you had a sense that things were moving.
00:11:41.760 And what happens is these things accelerate.
00:11:44.660 People start rendering judgment.
00:11:47.020 I think we have in Tiffany Smiley, a remarkably attractive candidate in Washington state against an incumbent whose sell-by date disappeared about eight years ago. 0.99
00:11:58.240 I think there's no question in my mind that Adam Laxalt, former attorney general for Nevada, is going to win the Senate race there.
00:12:09.000 Nevada is going to be a big Republican state this year because Latinos are moving away from the Democratic Party. 0.98
00:12:15.720 I mean, one of the great realignments in history is swapping upper-class liberal college-educated Republicans for working-class Latinos, African-Americans, Asian-Americans.
00:12:29.500 And the result is you're seeing in virtually every state in the country a rise in the number of Republicans.
00:12:36.940 In fact, they announced either yesterday or this morning that for the first time ever in history, there are more registered Republicans in Kentucky than there are Democrats.
00:12:48.740 First time in history.
00:12:49.940 In Florida, a state which had historically had more Democrats than Republicans, I think there are now 200,000 more Republicans and the margins widening every year.
00:13:02.740 So you look at these kind of things happening out there and you have a sense, I think in Arizona, somebody made an estimate I just read this morning, that if 80 percent of the people who are mad about Biden vote against Mark Kelly, he loses.
00:13:17.820 So the Republican only has to get 80 percent of the anti-Biden vote, and the odds are pretty high he's going to get more than 80 percent.
00:13:26.180 And then we pick up Arizona.
00:13:28.040 So I think you can go around state by state and you suddenly realize, gee, this is going to be a lot different election than people were expecting.
00:13:38.140 Yeah, it's – and as you're describing it, I have to tell you, I'm getting excited.
00:13:43.180 I want to see you put the new majority philosophy that you're bringing to this in front of Herschel Walker, in front of Dr. Oz.
00:13:56.160 Both men are actually perfect candidates to take your plan and analysis and bring it to life, I think, in both cases.
00:14:07.820 What do you think?
00:14:09.020 Well, I think they're fascinating examples.
00:14:11.100 You know, Mehmet Oz has been a national television figure ever since Oprah fell in love with him and you would have him on, you know, day after day offering medical advice.
00:14:21.340 He's a very smart guy.
00:14:22.880 I've worked with Mehmet for over 20 years.
00:14:24.980 Back when we had the Center for Health Transformation, he was one of the people who would always help me.
00:14:30.060 And I talked to him the other night.
00:14:32.420 He broke me up.
00:14:33.080 He said, do you remember you told me 20 years ago that you should find an 80 percent issue and stand next to it and smile?
00:14:41.040 Well, I was actually paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
00:14:44.360 But Oz kind of gets it.
00:14:46.960 You know, he was doing very well until his Republican opponent dumped $40 million on his head.
00:14:53.400 And he still limped through and got won the nomination.
00:14:56.100 But it was a little more exciting than he thought it would be.
00:14:59.980 But I think Oz sort of gets what he has to do.
00:15:02.760 And he's out listening to people, seeing people.
00:15:05.440 He will do better in the inner city.
00:15:07.360 I was really surprised.
00:15:08.740 In the primary, he carried Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.
00:15:13.880 I mean, his margin of getting nominated was inside the inner city because people know that he worked with Oprah.
00:15:20.480 People know that he is interested and deeply concerned about the inner city.
00:15:25.400 And that really had an impact.
00:15:27.720 And good health.
00:15:28.680 And good health.
00:15:29.900 Yep.
00:15:30.800 Yeah.
00:15:31.100 You know, and I think Trump's endorsement helped him.
00:15:34.400 But I think ultimately Oz won it.
00:15:36.840 And Georgia, the thing to remember about Herschel Walker is that he is a legend.
00:15:41.720 And the greatest danger Herschel faces right now is having a bunch of Republican consultants who don't have a clue try to teach him how to be a white senatorial candidate.
00:15:55.200 What Herschel's got to do is be who he is.
00:15:57.520 He's a Heisman Trophy winner.
00:15:59.500 He is the greatest athlete in the history of Georgia.
00:16:02.440 He is a remarkable human being.
00:16:04.680 He has been very successful over and over again.
00:16:07.400 He gave, I think, something like 480 speeches around the world on military bases talking about PTSD and talking about his own problems.
00:16:16.760 The fact that, you know, when you got hit as often as he did, he had some problems, too.
00:16:22.280 And I think, you know, he's got to he's got to run as Herschel and not run as some, you know, pseudo candidate trained by a bunch of guys that don't have a clue.
00:16:32.260 So if he'll do that and if he'll go to say to people, look, I have a big heart, I love the country, I believe in sound conservative values, and I'm not the guy who has destroyed your family budget, wiped out your ability to buy a car and made sure you can't afford to eat very well.
00:16:49.900 That guy's, you know, his name Womack and he is Warnock.
00:16:53.140 And he is, by the way, Biden's choice.
00:16:55.560 So you decide you want you want the Georgia choice, which is Herschel Walker, or you want the Biden choice, which is Warnock.
00:17:04.460 I think Warnock loses that race by a surprising margin.
00:17:08.780 And if you were to not know either man and you were to have them just stand on a stage somewhere to the side and you'd say, which one is the is the is the leftist and which is on the right?
00:17:24.140 I don't know what your answer would be.
00:17:26.540 But when you look at both men and you say, which one is the most relatable and comes across as the warmest, that is Herschel Walker, without a doubt.
00:17:36.740 Without a doubt. And Herschel is one of the classiest guys I know.
00:17:43.560 He's just he's just a remarkable individual.
00:17:46.700 And, yes, he's got some baggage and he's got some issues that, you know, that Warnock will play to till, you know, the cows come home.
00:17:54.820 But in the end, I agree with you.
00:17:57.340 I think Herschel prevails.
00:17:58.580 Well, and I think part of it's just authenticity.
00:18:03.000 You know, Warnock is an authentic preacher, used to leading his flock from the pulpit and used to saying whatever gets the collection to be good enough that Sunday.
00:18:13.960 And Warnock is a hard line left wing, you know, beyond liberal.
00:18:18.240 I mean, he fits perfectly into the radical wing of the Democratic Party.
00:18:21.160 You may consider this overstatement, but I just call him flat out a Marxist Democrat.
00:18:26.940 Yeah, I don't.
00:18:28.340 I'll accept that because, look, I think virtually all of them now are, for all practical purposes, Marxist.
00:18:34.860 None of them have a clue about free enterprise.
00:18:37.200 There was a study done, I think, by Steve Moore that I think he looked at 65 different appointees, none of whom, not a single one, had any private sector experience.
00:18:48.220 I mean, you look at Buttigieg, who the Washington Post thinks is the second most likely Democratic nominee in 24.
00:18:55.140 Buttigieg might know a little bit about bicycles, but he's in charge of the nation's air traffic system.
00:19:01.640 And we've had thousands and thousands of flights delayed under Buttigieg.
00:19:06.500 He doesn't have any idea what he's doing.
00:19:09.080 And he's sort of typical.
00:19:10.280 I mean, this is a this is a gathering of people who would not know reality if he walked up to them and poured water on their head.
00:19:19.840 If the supply chain is anathema to Buttigieg and Biden, all of whom seem to think that is like a string of Christmas lights.
00:19:30.440 That just what goes on one after the other, they don't seem to quite understand.
00:19:35.960 It's far more complex than a string of Christmas lights, which seems to be the the metaphor of great utility right now.
00:19:44.000 I just get a kick out of the silliness that the the leaders of these departments display.
00:19:50.580 They're they're trivial when it comes to their talent and the the issues they're dealing with are are momentous, unprecedented in many cases.
00:20:02.060 And they simply don't have the firepower to deal with it.
00:20:06.920 Well, there are two parts to that, actually.
00:20:10.000 And this is why I wrote defeating big government socialism.
00:20:13.240 I don't want them to get away with just being incompetent, because then the next cycle comes up and new ones emerge and they say, oh, but this time we're competent.
00:20:24.120 The fact is, not only are they incompetent, but what they believe isn't true.
00:20:30.200 Ronald Reagan said this years ago.
00:20:32.160 He said, I'm not frightened by what they don't know.
00:20:34.880 I'm frightened by what they know that isn't true.
00:20:37.140 And I always tell people, if you want to understand why they're so bad at dealing with violence, whether it's criminals or terrorists or foreign policy, it's really simple.
00:20:46.920 These are people who saw The Lion King and thought it was a documentary.
00:20:53.380 And they actually think that lions and zebras sing and dance together.
00:20:59.160 And we keep trying to tell them, you know, in the real world, lions eat zebras.
00:21:04.480 And they're going, no, no.
00:21:05.840 Didn't you see the movie?
00:21:07.360 I mean, I know.
00:21:08.640 I watched it personally.
00:21:09.820 They like each other.
00:21:11.360 And that's what you're up against.
00:21:13.500 These are guys who think if you want a hard egg, you can put it in the freezer.
00:21:17.280 And you keep trying to say to them, you know, a hard boiled egg cannot come out of the freezer.
00:21:23.180 And they go, really?
00:21:24.220 I didn't know that.
00:21:26.660 It's their core policies and their core beliefs about reality are simply dysfunctional.
00:21:32.800 And to sort through all of this, your new book, it's so important.
00:21:40.440 I love it.
00:21:42.320 Stopping Democrat socialism, saving the nation's destiny, its future, I don't think you could
00:21:52.080 have two higher purposes.
00:21:54.120 Give us a sense of what you think is most urgent and most critical.
00:22:00.820 Well, the reason I wrote Defeating Big Government Socialism is I wanted to create kind of a handbook
00:22:07.300 for citizens to give them the tools and the ammunition.
00:22:10.460 You know, when I was first in politics, Margaret Thatcher became the opposition leader in 1975.
00:22:19.620 And she set out very openly and deliberately to destroy socialism as a governing alternative
00:22:26.180 in Britain.
00:22:26.980 And she did such an amazing job that no openly left-wing labor leader has been prime minister
00:22:35.740 in 40 years.
00:22:38.480 Now, think about that.
00:22:39.360 Right.
00:22:40.460 And it's because she went after it at the idea level.
00:22:43.780 She said, it's immoral.
00:22:45.300 It's wrong.
00:22:46.320 It doesn't work.
00:22:47.240 It hurts people.
00:22:48.820 And I think my number one goal would be to say to people, the citizens can beat the elites.
00:22:55.740 This is a country, I mean, I'm truly a Lincoln Republican, government of the people, by the people,
00:23:02.380 and for the people.
00:23:03.880 And that means it's not government by some bureaucrat.
00:23:06.780 It's not government by some clever lobbyist.
00:23:09.240 It's not government by a bunch of appointed, you know, ne'er-do-wells who don't have a clue
00:23:13.960 what they're doing.
00:23:14.680 I mean, you know, it is government that is responsive to, understands, and is reporting to the people
00:23:26.000 of the United States.
00:23:26.720 And, you know, we've been very fortunate.
00:23:30.260 We've been endowed by a system unlike any other country in the world where it says that our creator endowed us with certain inalienable rights,
00:23:41.740 among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
00:23:45.720 And I'm almost always happy in part because, you know, if you've been told by God you're allowed
00:23:51.220 to pursue happiness, what is your excuse for being unhappy?
00:23:56.480 You know, just go do it.
00:23:58.900 And so I think that my personal belief is that we will beat the left, that we will probably beat them for two generations.
00:24:08.560 If we get a few breaks, 22 and 24 are going to be the biggest repudiation of the Democratic Party since 1920.
00:24:16.480 And it's going to happen because the performance is terrible and the ideas are worse.
00:24:24.520 And the Biden administration, as I understand what you're saying, you're saying that the Republicans don't lose a seat.
00:24:32.840 That means taking just about every election available in the Senate across the country.
00:24:40.340 Yeah, I think it's very likely.
00:24:42.220 I mean, there are places where we're not competitive.
00:24:44.220 We're not going to beat Schumer, for example.
00:24:45.700 But there are a lot of Democrats.
00:24:49.700 And again, it's possible that we're going to win in Colorado.
00:24:54.260 Now, you wouldn't I wouldn't bet a lot of money on it, but I know what the results are like in the polling.
00:25:00.120 It's possible you're going to see a sweep in Oregon because people are so sick of night after night Antifa breaking the law with impunity,
00:25:09.240 setting the federal courthouse on fire.
00:25:11.700 I mean, you're watching the decay of civilization.
00:25:14.660 When Starbucks announces that in 16 sites, they're closing them because they can't cope with the degree to which the bathrooms have become drug dense.
00:25:23.880 You know that this is literally the decay of civilization.
00:25:27.480 And the question is whether or not the American people are prepared to put their foot down and say, you know, enough is enough.
00:25:34.240 And my hunch is because I do so deeply believe in the people that the people are smarter than the politicians and smarter than the news media.
00:25:44.520 And I think that they're likely to come roaring back and insist on the changes necessary to have a safe, free and prosperous country.
00:25:52.340 Yeah, I think we talk about the people being smarter than our politicians and our news media that might be taken as faint praise fairly.
00:26:02.340 Fairly.
00:26:03.760 It's just amazing to me, the quality of people that we have in office now.
00:26:11.400 I want to, as we, and I know we're pressing up on time here, but I do want to get a sense from you as to whether or not Donald Trump will run,
00:26:23.160 what you think the implications are if he does or does not.
00:26:26.220 Well, I think if his doctor tells him he's healthy enough, he'll probably run.
00:26:31.440 I know he's very concerned that he doesn't want to run if he's going to end up like Biden.
00:26:38.400 I think he finds it embarrassing for America and dangerous for America to have a president who's this cognitively weak and this unstable.
00:26:48.000 But let's assume for a minute that his doctor says you're in great shape, Donald.
00:26:52.920 He will run.
00:26:54.000 I think he's going to have a real fight because I think that, among other people, the governor DeSantis has done an amazing job.
00:27:06.000 I agree.
00:27:06.860 And I think Trump would be very ill served to underestimate the seriousness that DeSantis would bring to a race.
00:27:15.360 He has over $100 million in the bank in his campaign fund.
00:27:18.320 And I just got a nice note from former Congressman Zinke, who was running for election again in Montana.
00:27:26.360 And right there smiling with him was Governor DeSantis.
00:27:29.280 Now, since DeSantis is up for reelection, I'm assuming he was in Montana for a reason other than going to see Glacier National Park.
00:27:36.840 And, you know, I think so.
00:27:40.260 I have very great respect for DeSantis.
00:27:44.160 In addition, you've got Pence, who I think has been has grown in stature as people realized how much pressure he was under and that he did what he honestly believed in.
00:27:53.720 I think you've got Pompeo, who's very competent, Nikki Haley, who was effective at the U.N., a number of governors who might run, including the governor of New Hampshire, Sununu.
00:28:06.400 So, I mean, if Trump does decide to run, he just needs to understand it's not going to be a gimme.
00:28:11.500 It's he can win it.
00:28:12.880 He he remains the most effective politician I've seen in my lifetime other than Reagan.
00:28:18.460 And I think he's very formidable.
00:28:22.540 But I do think that the fact that he didn't slow down, he didn't think through what had what didn't work and he didn't develop a positive program for the future, I think, gave other people a year in which to fill a vacuum where there's still enormous affection for Trump.
00:28:44.220 But there's also a willingness to consider somebody else.
00:28:46.920 Yeah, let me throw out a few, a few, if I may, countervailing thoughts on that issue.
00:28:55.420 One is he is still the most popular politician in the country, period, bar none.
00:29:00.640 In all of the polling that I have seen, he beats DeSantis like a like a drum.
00:29:07.580 The margins aren't even close.
00:29:09.100 And there is no one, there is no, you know, other candidate that approaches, you mentioned Pompeo, Nikki Haley.
00:29:18.980 And as you said, they were effective in their roles.
00:29:22.360 But those roles were bestowed on them by President Trump.
00:29:26.000 And in fact, Nikki Haley is as a you and I both know, a U.N. ambassador is is a mouthpiece and is, you know, aping the plans of the of the State Department of the White House.
00:29:39.800 And so I'm not particularly impressed with her.
00:29:42.560 Pompeo is a bit.
00:29:43.940 No, he's he's a lot dull.
00:29:46.640 I think he's a good, great American.
00:29:48.780 I think he's a good guy.
00:29:50.140 But a candidate for president?
00:29:53.420 I don't think so.
00:29:55.200 Certainly not in 20 is as soon as he would have to.
00:29:58.820 And President Trump is a lot of things.
00:30:03.280 But even approaching a state that would make it an even fight with a very bright man who is just middle age, I think he still wins.
00:30:17.360 He has shown no signs of slippage that I can discern.
00:30:20.560 And I think he will be formidable if he decides to run.
00:30:25.380 I'm not convinced, by the way, Newt, that he's going to run because he hasn't created an organization around him.
00:30:30.480 He hasn't created a team of talent scouts.
00:30:33.780 He had to have learned the lesson of 2016, which is be ready and be and bring the best.
00:30:40.620 He said he would.
00:30:41.580 Remember, he said he's got to put together killers.
00:30:44.740 He didn't he didn't even have, you know, day burglars in so many positions.
00:30:50.760 He's got to learn from that.
00:30:52.680 And we see no signs that he is putting that organization together.
00:30:56.140 At least I don't.
00:30:56.900 Do you?
00:30:58.060 No, I don't think he has yet.
00:30:59.480 But remember, Ronald Reagan did not announce until December of 19 or November of 1979.
00:31:09.760 So that was I do remember that would be over a year from now.
00:31:13.620 And he did and he did that because Reagan understood that the dance didn't begin until he showed up.
00:31:20.180 Right.
00:31:20.980 So to his advantage to freeze everything in place.
00:31:24.600 I think that probably the place where you and I might disagree.
00:31:29.760 I think Trump is the front runner.
00:31:32.140 I think he is the most likely nominee.
00:31:35.560 But I think he's going to have to win it.
00:31:37.720 And I would have said a year ago that he would have been it would have been almost automatically his.
00:31:43.100 I don't think it's automatically his now.
00:31:45.360 I think I think he's probably going to win.
00:31:48.220 He is certainly the front runner.
00:31:50.080 And certainly if you take his support and DeSantis' support, there's not much room left for anybody else.
00:31:57.260 I mean, those two between them totally dominate the choice right now.
00:32:01.000 Absolutely.
00:32:02.320 Absolutely.
00:32:02.760 And the money.
00:32:03.220 It's I guess, too, there is this issue.
00:32:07.800 Does does he have to also regard Pence as a player here?
00:32:15.560 The question is open.
00:32:17.360 Well, let me ask you the question.
00:32:19.280 Did Pence do the right thing on January 6th?
00:32:22.200 And how will that play in presidential politics from here through 2024?
00:32:26.500 I believe Pence did what he thought was his constitutional duty.
00:32:34.460 I think that all of his advisers told him that was his constitutional duty.
00:32:40.060 And just ask yourself this question.
00:32:42.240 If you're going to assume that Pence could have postponed the electoral vote, what about Kamala Harris in 24? 0.82
00:32:50.340 I mean, you really want Kamala Harris to be in a position to have that kind of independent power? 1.00
00:32:54.960 I don't.
00:32:56.840 I don't think the founding fathers designed this system for the vice president to be much more, frankly, than a clerical function in terms of the electoral college.
00:33:09.400 It's their job to receive the votes from the states.
00:33:12.280 The members of the Congress have the opportunity to contest them.
00:33:18.920 And some were prepared to do that prior to the riot that broke out.
00:33:23.040 But I think it would have been very wrong for Pence and I think unconstitutional for Pence to have arbitrarily tried to do things.
00:33:33.340 That's just my personal view, both as a former speaker of the House and as a historian.
00:33:37.780 In my view, it's just a mere citizen is I think that Pence probably did with I shouldn't say probably did what he thought was right.
00:33:50.300 And I respect him greatly for it.
00:33:53.180 And I agree that as vice president, he should not have had been put in that position to have to make a choice about who would be president.
00:34:03.300 I don't think that our founders contemplated that possibility nor that authority.
00:34:09.240 I think you're exactly right.
00:34:10.940 It's just isn't something that we would want for 2024 any more than we would wanted it for 2020.
00:34:18.600 Saying that, we are looking at the January 6th committee that is going down the same path as two impeachment efforts by them.
00:34:29.160 Many of the same venomous, vile characters are running it, as did lay the foundation, the false foundation for a special counsel.
00:34:40.720 Three years of FBI investigation.
00:34:43.180 The American people, you are like me, a man who believes in a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
00:34:49.840 Are the people, in your judgment, smart enough to see this for the for the absolute blasphemy it is, this January 6th committee?
00:35:00.180 Well, I think if you truly, deeply hate Trump, you love this committee.
00:35:06.200 I think, however, if you don't hate Trump, you don't have to like him.
00:35:10.400 You just have to be in the you know, he deserves a fair break.
00:35:13.680 This committee is a Stalinist show trial in exactly the Bolshevik model that Lenin invented.
00:35:21.040 I am appalled that Liz Cheney has become the leading anti-Republican, anti-Trump, really leader of the committee.
00:35:31.180 What they've done is a total, I think, abomination.
00:35:36.260 It is a violation of every principle of the Bill of Rights.
00:35:39.380 It absolutely has put people in positions where they have not had legal protection.
00:35:45.300 They haven't had the right to counsel they should have.
00:35:49.060 And the fact that they have over a thousand videotapes and over 25,000 documents just tells you there's something profoundly sick about that committee.
00:36:00.460 And it's typical of the Pelosi dictatorship.
00:36:03.040 And frankly, if you want to know who was the most responsible for January the 6th, it's Speaker Pelosi, who specifically has the obligation to protect the Capitol and who failed totally to protect the Capitol, even when President Trump offered 20,000 National Guardsmen, which would have preempted any possible problem.
00:36:24.680 Absolutely, I concur 100%, as I almost in everything, always do when talking with Newt Gingrich.
00:36:36.040 It's a delight always to talk with you, to have you with us here.
00:36:40.000 I hope you'll come back soon.
00:36:41.900 We wish you immense success.
00:36:43.660 We will be flogging your book relentlessly here on The Great America Show, Defeating Big Government Socialism, Importantly.
00:36:53.120 Saving America's Future by none other than the great Newt Gingrich.
00:36:58.220 Newt, thank you so much for being with us, and God bless you.
00:37:02.540 Well, thank you, Lou, and I look forward to being back with you again.
00:37:05.980 And a reminder to pick up Newt's new book, Defeating Big Government Socialism, Saving America's Future.
00:37:14.340 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.
00:37:16.280 And joining us here tomorrow will be Congressman James Comer, who is, like Senators Johnson and Grassley, investigating Hunter Biden,
00:37:25.200 who Congressman Comer calls a national security threat.
00:37:29.280 Congressman Comer, ranking member of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, will be its chair,
00:37:35.380 the chairman of that powerful committee in January when the Republicans win in November.
00:37:40.960 And Comer promises a full investigation of Biden corruption.
00:37:46.980 Congressman Comer, our guest here tomorrow on The Great America Show, please join us.
00:37:52.020 Till then, God bless you, and God bless America.