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Trump wins the Iowa Caucuses by the largest margin in Iowa caucus history, and Ron DeSantis says it was a rigged election. Did the media, the establishment, and the DNC conspired to steal the 2020 election?
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for joining us.
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And thanks, Iowans. Thanks for President Trump's big win, a big win for this embattled nation of
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ours. DeSantis second, Haley third, and man oh man, did they spend money. The two spending $72
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million, folks. That's the amount of money DeSantis and Haley spent to get smoked by Donald Trump in
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the Iowa caucuses. Donald Trump spent a fraction of that amount at $18 million. The only difference
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is Trump won 98 of the 99 counties in Iowa. That one county Trump lost and it was Johnson County and
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he lost it by one vote, believe it or not. And Trump received more than 51 percent of the vote beat
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distant runner-up Ron DeSantis in historic fashion by about 30 percent. Trump winning by the largest margin
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in Iowa caucus history, doubling the next highest margin. DeSantis hailed his second place blowout
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as a victory and he blames election interference for not winning. You heard that correctly,
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according to Team DeSantis and its allies. Calling the race for Trump so early, within a half hour,
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interfered with the results of the caucus. DeSantis' communications director wrote on Twitter,
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quote, absolutely outrageous that the media would participate in election interference by calling
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the race before tens of thousands of Iowans even had a chance to vote. I'm willing to, well, go out
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on a limb and say that if Trump did not spend a single dollar in the state of Iowa and only was in the
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state a few times, he still would have won by a double-digit margin. The Iowans know President Trump and
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they know what kind of president he was and will soon be. And now, former 2024 contender Vivek Ramaswamy
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has exited the race this week and now says he's devoting all his time to making sure President
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Trump will be re-elected because Trump is the only America First candidate still in the race.
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This has to be an America First candidate in that White House. As I've said since the beginning,
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there are two America First candidates in this race. And earlier tonight, I called Donald Trump
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to tell him that I congratulated him on his victory. And now going forward, he will have my full
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endorsement for the presidency. And I think we're going to do the right thing for this country.
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And so I'm going to ask you to follow me in taking our America First movement to the next level.
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An Iowa CNN entrance poll taken on the night of the caucus shows 68 percent of the people believe
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Joe Biden didn't legitimately win the 2020 election. It's polls like that that make us all continue to
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talk about the 2020 election. It was a rigged election. It was a stolen election. And I can
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guarantee you I'll keep investigating and searching for the truth until we know what happened in that
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election. We know some of it right now, enough to know it was rigged. But we need to know all of it.
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It's establishment candidates like DeSantis who do all they can to stop discussion of the stolen 2020
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election because Governor DeSantis says it was a legitimate election. Check.
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Yes or no, did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?
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Whoever puts their hand on the Bible on January 20th every four years is the winner.
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OK, but respectfully, you did not clearly answer that question. And if you can't give
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a yes or no one whether or not Trump lost, then how? Of course. No, of course he lost.
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Trump lost the 2020 election. Of course. Joe Biden is the president.
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And soon to be outgoing West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, the latest him to tell Joe Biden,
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enough is enough. The senator reportedly meeting with Biden this week to tell him if he doesn't
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move closer to the center and farther from his Marxist ideals, Manchin will run for president
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as a third party candidate, all but guaranteeing a victory for President Trump.
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Speaker Mike Johnson finding himself in a bind this week. Will he shut down the government to
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secure our southern border? Or will he give the Marxist Dems everything they want and continue to fund
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these Marxists and this wide open border and all of the death that is being smuggled over it by the
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drug cartels? Our guest today is Congressman Andy Biggs. He sits on the House Oversight Committee
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and the House Judiciary Committee, where he is the chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee
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on Crime and Federal Government Surveillance. Congressman, great to have you back with us.
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Let me start with the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, who apparently has this time stood up and
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taking a strong stand against the Lankford border plan from the Senate. Your thoughts about Speaker
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Johnson and what looks like to be a, well, a rare adherence to principle? Well, yeah, I mean,
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in the House, if he were to go against that, there'd be a massive revolt because that plan,
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the Lankford plan is so bad, Lou. And I think, I don't know if you want to get into it, but it's just
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really a bad, bad plan. But here's the deal. Okay. So, I view Mike Johnson as a golden retriever.
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He's like a golden retriever. This is going to end well, is it?
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We happen to have a golden retriever in my house. And this golden retriever, like all golden
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retrievers, very nice, very kind. Everybody loves the golden retriever. Everybody wants to pat it. And
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the dog is so, so obliging. But you can't get the darn dog to fight. You know what I mean? If you
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wanted, it wouldn't fight to save itself. But occasionally, it'll kind of raise its paws and
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do something. And thank goodness that the Speaker is raising his paws against the Lankford plan.
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Because other than that, you know, the dog, a golden retriever likes to get his belly rubbed and roll
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over and that type of thing. And unfortunately, we have a speaker who's kind of like a golden retriever
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right now. Well, I'm sure he's going to appreciate the metaphor. And I have to say, I can't imagine how
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you could have had two speakers in a row who were having so much trouble with their own courage,
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with their own set of principles, which I wouldn't would have expected to reflect the principles of
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the conference. I don't understand what is going on in the House of Representatives or your conference.
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What's it going to take? I guess what I'm saying is, you can't be a very good leader if you can't
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follow. I've always believed that axiom. He was apparently a cherished follower, but he also can't
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lead, apparently. I don't understand the issue. Well, you know, I'll take it back and you throw Paul
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Ryan in there and you had three. Oh, boy. You had three guys that really took us to the wrong class.
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Let's go back to John Boehner. If you go back to John Boehner, at least John Boehner on a few things
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was willing to say, this is where we're going. We're not going further. And nobody in this conference,
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and he would fight, he would lead, you know, on a few things, right? I just, I'm stunned by it myself,
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you know, and, and, but I'm going to tell you something that I've decided that I think I've
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realized. It's taken me a while to realize it. These guys that are like, that are the leaders,
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the speakers, they actually reflect the conference. I'm sad, I'm sad to say that, but I got to believe
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that they reflect a significant number of the conference. They don't reflect me, of course,
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and they don't reflect. Oh, I would say a third or more of the conference, but they seem to
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represent enough of the conference to be able to, to, to get elected these guys. And that's the,
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that's the saddest part for me is, is not that he is not leading, but that he may actually be quite
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frankly, he and McCarthy and Ryan, they may actually have reflected the conference.
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Though I never felt that they were reflecting me or my constituents.
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Yeah, I guess there is that. And that's, is a sorry, sorry situation. I can't understand how
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people in your conference can say, you know, the border is in crisis and then go back to their
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offices and, and just do business as usual without taking on the issue. Why, why is there any question
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in the minds of people? I don't care whether rhinos or conservatives. The reality is that border is
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under the control of the Mexican drug cartels and the Chinese communists who are making,
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who are mixing up all of the fentanyl. This isn't complicated stuff. Either you, you deal with that
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reality and stop funding it, but don't sit there and whine about it or talk to your, just your, you
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know, do a little radio and TV pieces for your constituents complaining about it, and then go
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ahead and, and fund the appropriations. Just, you know, it's all fine. We'll give you a continuing
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resolution. How about an omnibus? You can spend life at Dickens until as long as you want. This is a,
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this is purely hypocritical, uh, deceitful, uh, and gutless.
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Yeah, I, I view it as being a really cynical approach to governance. Um, so, so what they do is they, they,
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they, they have a big deal down on the border. Okay. We got to do something. And then they say, we're
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going to need to get some new policy, right? Lou, as if policy is going to change it. Policy will not
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change this. This is a lawless administration. Even if they sign something into law, this administration
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knows they're going to gamble on a couple of things. Number one, that, uh, nobody's going to
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sue them when they don't enact that policy. And if somebody does sue them, that it's going to carry
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out past the next election, right? So, so they really don't mind because the next election between
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now and then you'll have 5 million illegal aliens will have come in. My position is go ahead and shut
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the government down. But we have, you cannot believe the number of people in our conference that
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are scared to death. If you say the word, shut the government down because they say, oh,
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I won't ever get elected again. Well, at some point you have to say, let's shut the government
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down because we happen to care about the country more than we even care about our own next election.
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Right? So, so today I'll give you a heads up. I'm introducing legislation today
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to protect against this, this, the short, the shutdown scaredy cats. And what it does is it says,
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you know, first of all, you and I both know Medicare, Medicaid, social security,
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that keeps getting funded anyway. There's already a statute on the books. So my bill says,
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okay, but we're going to keep funding the vets, the armed forces, ICBP, the air traffic controllers,
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and TSA. But other than that, we're not funding anything. We're not going to fund anything.
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And then, and then you can go back and say, we funded 80% of the government. We funded the things
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that have to be funded to protect our rights, our military, et cetera. But we're not going to fund
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the Green New Deal crap or the FBI spying on you. We're going to stop that until the borders enforced.
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Well, let me just say, hallelujah. We're talking with Congressman Andy Biggs.
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We're coming right back to learn more about his legislation. Stay with us.
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We're back now with Congressman Andy Biggs. And Congressman, tell us what you,
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what you intend and what you think will be the result, the response of the conference.
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Well, so what I'm intending to do is take away the argument that we can't do a government shutdown
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to save the border, save the country by closing the border. So I'm saying, okay, well, if you're afraid
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of that, let's fund the things that we have to have, veterans, military, et cetera. And then we won't fund
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this other garbage, this bureaucracy that's run amok, that's destroying the country anyway. And we
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won't begin funding any of that until there's actual border security enforcement, not policy,
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but actual enforcement where you're turning people away at the border, or maybe you're removing people
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finally from who are illegally in the country. I think I'm trying to take away that argument,
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but I'm also trying to say the only leverage we have is the purse strings. And so if you do those
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two things, I think we have a shot. The speaker has actually presented my plan to a significant
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portion of the conference. I've gotten positive feedback, but the reality is you have some people
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who said absolutely no, no way, no, how not going to do it. We got new start programs. We've got to
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fund for the military industrial complex, and we're not going to set those aside for six months until we
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secure the border. We got to have that. I mean, I understand their arguments, but they don't
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understand the existential crisis at the border. I don't think they understand the American people
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either. Right now, Donald Trump coming off a huge win, a historic win in Iowa, in the Iowa caucuses,
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on his way to New Hampshire, where he's going to be battling toe-to-toe John Sununu, this snarky little
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attack dog for the rhinos, beloved everywhere by the establishment. And he's going to crush them
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there as well. He's going to be the next president, I believe firmly. How in the world can this
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conference be so mealy-mouthed, so gutless, failing to adhere to basically America first policies
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and MAGA? Because that's obviously what the American people want. Joe Biden has the lowest
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approval ratings of any president in modern history. And President Trump is scoring now
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historic victories in the primary process. And you know, the Congress isn't held in high
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esteem either by the American public. I just can't see how these forces don't coalesce around,
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let's do the right thing. That should be the mantra for everyone.
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Yeah, that's what I've told the speaker. I've expressed myself to the speaker very clearly. I
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said, look, your budget plan is a disaster because, you know, I won't get into it unless you want me
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to. But I told him, I said, it's going to be almost unanimous from the Democrat side. And you're going
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to lose 70 to 100 votes on the Republican side. And so that's a big, huge, embarrassing defeat.
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Why not at least do a plan like mine or a plan where you're bending the trajectory of spending
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down and solving the border problem? And then if you lose some of our more
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moderate types in the House, and they say, well, we're going to go with the Democrats
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and pass our own bill out, at least you would have stood up. At least you would have done it
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on principle. At least you would have shown that there is a distinction and that being a Republican
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actually means something. And being an American first Republican means something. At least you
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would have demonstrated that because we're going to probably lose one way or the other.
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And responsibility. And a sense of responsibility to the nation, to the Republic, to the American
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people. I was just thinking, maybe you ought to have a banner. Give courage and principle a chance.
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Just simply that. Put it over the entrance there. I guess you can't put up too many banners in the
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House. But I don't know. We're sitting here. I'm laughing about it. But it's laughing at the absurdity
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that we have 435 members of Congress and frankly, a tragic, pitiful handful like you who are willing
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to stand up for the country. You've got people running from their elections, running from their
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donors. They're scared to death of their shadows. And they're wanting to come across as big, tough,
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bad, you know, principled Republicans. They're not. They're what you said. I mean, they're
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they're milk toast and marmalade there. Well, there's certainly don't mean to offend marmalade,
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but there it is. You know, I happen to like marmalade. Go easy on the marmalade way.
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And actually, I like milk toast. That was a that was a comfort food. Lou, come on,
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you're killing my comfort food. But but anyway, when you start looking at this, I'm I'm I'm often baffled
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by it because I'll see people write stuff and they'll say some of my colleagues will say these
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guys just they're here to yell and scream. No, we're not here to yell and scream. We're here to
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affect change. And that's why we introduce legislation to affect change. That's why we
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fight on the floor. That's why we use the the tools of of procedure to try to slow things down.
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Let's go like we did last week. Twelve of us stand up and say, we're not going to let you
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bring this to the floor. They can't understand that. That's what and I'm the one who's baffled
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because I don't understand how you can't fight, how you can't fight. This gets back to the golden
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retriever thing. I mean, I got this golden retriever. Everybody wants to pet the golden retriever, but
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but it's a big enough dog to fight. And so I find myself just saying, why don't you want to fight?
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Why don't you want to fight for the country? And they just think I'm I'm outrageous, I guess.
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Well, and you know, speaking of people yelling and all of this, I've never heard you raise your
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voice. I don't think any of your colleagues have. It would be my bet. And I just really can't
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understand why logic, reason and facts don't present themselves meaningfully to these members of the
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Republican conference who are they're really worse than rhinos. But let's call them rhinos and give
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them some little credit. It's it's a sad thing to watch. Yeah, think of it, Lou, think of it this way.
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If if if you're in New York and you have a district that Biden won by a few points or what, maybe a lot.
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I don't know. But Democrats, independents and Republicans all care about two issues, number one and
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two. They care about the border and they care about the economy. And what is devastating New York City right
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now? It is it is certainly the the border issue is come up right up to New York City or Chicago or
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Detroit and all these places. And they're puking. The economy is also touching them.
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It's you know, listen to Pritzker, the governor of Illinois. Yeah, he says he's begging. He's begging
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Greg Abbott not to send any more immigrants. And then he's telling everybody. But, you know, really,
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the problem. It's not really a problem because Joe Biden is a friend of mine. I mean, these people
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aren't even intelligent about their their lack of scruples. We're talking with Congressman Andy Biggs
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and we're going to talk further right after these quick words. Please stay with us. We'll be right back.
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We're back now. We're talking with Congressman Andy Biggs. Congressman, let me ask you, I want to go
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back to Mike Johnson because he is critical in all of this. Courage is supposed to be courageous.
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There's no contagion in Congress, I think, is what we've established here in this discussion.
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But is Johnson wise enough? Is he smart enough to understand that he needs to set a standard
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that his kids and other, you know, and the parents of other kids across the country for generations
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might be willing to say the name Mike Johnson with respect, even adulation.
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It's a time for leadership. Why isn't there some sense of responsibility to all of those people?
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You know, I I have encouraged him repeatedly that now is the time to take the stand. Now is the time
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to be the leader. Now is the time to go to people who doubt his leadership. And quite frankly,
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there's a lot on both sides now, the more squishy as well as the more rock ribbed. Everybody's like,
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well, what's he doing? I mean, now's the time to go to them and say, you know what,
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we can't do that Schumer deal. That's terrible. He's got some staff people that I think were pretty
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good that he brought with him. But then now they get there and all of a sudden
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they're clenching a little bit there. Okay, so let me give you an example.
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Are you talking about his staff? Are you talking about other members of leadership?
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His staff. I'm talking about his staff. So, so I'm, I play, you know, several musical instruments.
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And you, and one of the things we like to say is thinking kills the flow. And so you, you, you're
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worried if you get to worry about making a mistake, guaranteed, you're going to make a mistake. But if
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you let the muscle memory kick in and you, and you have the courage to, you know, to riff a little bit
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with the music, you're going to be okay. He doesn't seem to have the courage to riff. He's too busy
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thinking about what is, what is the fallout for me? What's the fallout for this? I only have a one
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vote majority, but here's the deal. You only have a one vote majority. And so if you're going to,
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if you, if you're trying to govern, to make sure that you win everything, then you're going to have
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to give to the Democrats on 99% of things. That's not good for the country. I would rather you stood
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tall that you had the courage to go down there, make your case to your members of your conference
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repeatedly about why you're going to do what you're going to do. And it can't be,
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we're going to fight tomorrow. It can't be, we can't get out of the Senate. It can't be, oh,
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we only have a one vote majority. It has to be something like, we're going to do the best we can,
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because by golly, that's what the American people have said we should do. They've sent us here to
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try to make change and effectuate change. Now's the time to try to do it. It's not tomorrow. It's
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not the next week. It's not after the next election. It is today because we are in an existential crisis.
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I've begged him to accept that point of view. He hasn't so far.
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It is a tough moment, I guess, in his defense to at least give a bit of his perspective.
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But why take the job if you're not strong enough to make tough decisions, to do what's right for
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the country? Because otherwise, you're just a political hack. Taking a job just like any other
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opportunist for a little more money, a little bigger office, a lot bigger office, let's be honest.
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To me, it's mindless. And I think the American people, I want to say too,
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Congressman, I appreciate your candor today. And I know the audience does,
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talking straight about matters that matter most to us right down at this point in history.
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I'm going to give you the last word. I've got one other question before we turn to you for your
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concluding thoughts. And that is, with President Trump in the Oval Office, will he get more support
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from the conference than he did the last time? Or will he have to battle his own damn party just like
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the last time? I believe that with the current leadership, they would fall in line with President
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Trump were he the president. I do believe that. And I also hope and pray that we have a better
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majority, a stronger majority than last time. But you know, Lou, I've taken a little bit of a black pill on
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this place that that sometimes people like me have to be here to be the conscience. And some of my
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colleagues need a constant reminder, we're the Jiminy Cricket of the conference, and they don't
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like to listen to us. And so like, just like in that, that movie about Pinocchio, they start sprouting
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a tale of a jackass because they don't listen to the right voices. I believe that Donald Trump
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will be an even better president next time than he was last time, because I think he'll surround
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himself with better people. And that personnel is important. But I also believe that the voices in
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Congress that are his most strongest adherents will be even stronger next time and be able to help
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him. But yeah, I think, I think it'd be very much more successful this next time from everything
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from the border to the economy to world stability and peace. Good grief. I mean, just just think of
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how upside down we are because of the three short years of Joe Biden. Yeah, it's sobering and
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disheartening to think about the pain that so many millions of Americans are have endured and will
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endure for some time because of this president. And by the way, the national media's refusal to
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acknowledge that this is an administration of Marxists who've taken over the Democrat Party,
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as well as the federal government. And we've got Republicans trying to pretend it's just the
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good old Democrats and we're a party of loyal opposition. They don't know it, but they're on the
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battlefield. And it is a it is it is a war to the to the finish. And I hope not the finish of the
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republic. We pray not. And Andy Biggs, we always appreciate you joining us here. Thanks so much for your
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wisdom and your insight. Thank you, Lou. Thanks for all you do. Keep it up. Thanks, everybody,
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