GOP DIVIDED： JOHN MCLAUGHLIN SAYS PRES. TRUMP IS VERY POPULAR BUT RINOS DON’T WANT HIM DESPITE THE SUCCESS OF HIS PRESIDENCY & POLICIES
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The Great America Show hosts Lou Dobbs and John McLaughlin discuss the results of the mid-term elections and what they mean for the future of the Republican Party. They also talk about the failure of Republican leaders, including Ronna McDaniel and Mitch McConnell, and why they need to go.
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Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Show.
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Times are tough for Republicans these days, independents, patriots, all who thought but
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perhaps didn't entirely believe that a great big red wave would sweep Republicans to victory
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and return the Senate and House to a Republican majority, a clear majority. It is now clear that
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that isn't going to happen. In fact, there was nothing approaching a big red wave, not even a
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red wave, no wave at all. While votes are still being counted in Nevada and Arizona, and maybe
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for weeks to come, the Republicans sound like they're monumentally naive, talking about vote
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dumps, smeared ballots, lost ballots, and what a mess, they complain. But not a surprise mess,
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or at least it shouldn't be. Republicans got handled in 2020 as well. They should have known
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better this time, but were beguiled by some of the pollsters whose polls showed, for example,
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Carrie Lake and the Arizona governor's race with a double-digit lead. She's behind her opponent,
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Democrat Katie Hobbs, right now. She says she's still confident she'll win. We all hope she does.
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But Katie Hobbs is, after all, in charge of the Arizona election. She's the Secretary of State,
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for crying out loud. And I'm not sure that Lake's optimism will be rewarded this time.
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And no, I'm not an election denier, as the Marxist Dems like to call those of us who
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question election results. I don't know anyone who denies elections. Obviously, we had elections.
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It's the Dems who are the deniers. They deny, they continue to deny, the elections are crooked.
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They're crooked deniers. They're the deniers. And frankly, I think the rest of us have played the
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roles of dupes in our elections for some time. But certainly the last two elections have pitted
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the Democrat deniers against the Republican dupes. There it is. So we still at least have a shot at
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winning back the House. We have a narrow advantage at this point. With 19 more races to be decided,
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the GOP has 212 seats, Democrats with 204. The GOP needs another six seats to win control.
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The Democrats need another 14 seats. But after what we've already witnessed, who wants to bet on the
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outcome? I'll just cross my fingers and hope. But one of my hopes is that after the Republican
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performance in this election, I truly and firmly believe the Republican Party rank and file must
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demand that party leaders resign. I mean, Ronna McDaniel, RNC chair, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell
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and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy. They failed. They failed in this election. They've got to go.
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And they've got to make way for smarter, more energetic, talented leaders who represent the
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modern party. A party dedicated to our middle class, to our families, parental rights, to all who are
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working, aspiring to be middle class, to live the American dream. The party that puts America first
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in every way. Our guest today is one of the Republican Party's foremost strategists and pollsters.
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And we talked the day after the election about the red wave that wasn't and the responsibility
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of Republican Party leaders. John McLaughlin, founder of the McLaughlin Group. John, what do you see here
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amidst the overall disappointment for Republicans in this election?
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In terms of we're going to have the House, but not at the margins that we want to have.
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One of the big takeaways from the 2020 race that the Republicans have not learned is the Republican
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ground game is an anachronism. And we wait for election day to win the race, and the Democrats
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are racking up huge margins that were forced to play catch-up in most of these states.
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So when you look at Pennsylvania and you realize they have the same election law from 2020 called
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Act 77 that allows them to bank votes absentee through ballot harvesting. And then Oz goes into
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that race where before he even debates Fetterman, he's down a ratio of three to one in absentee ballots.
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So you've got a serious problem where you're already losing the race by hundreds of thousands
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of votes, and you're trying to make it all up on election day. And that went on in other states as
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well, where you have like in Arizona, the Democrats have banked votes. Certainly it went on in Georgia
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with Herschel Walker, although this time it was more honest because if you voted absentee or if
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you voted in person, you needed voter ID to prove that. And the drop boxes, the unsecured drop boxes,
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they got rid of. So you're in a situation where, okay, the ballot harvesting has stopped.
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And I'm sure, by the way, I'm sure if that law wasn't changed, Warnock would have won without a runoff.
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But now they're headed for a runoff. And, you know, so we've got to think, you know,
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tactically, like the Democrats do, they don't have election day, they have election month,
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they come in and they're banking votes, and the Republicans are playing catch up the whole time.
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So we've got to fix that. And that's certainly what happened. A big reason what happened in
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Pennsylvania. Second thing is, when you have primaries, the Democrats automatically when their
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primary is over, they come together. Republicans, we still fight. You know, when you hear the talk
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about the quality of the candidates, you know, that Donald Trump endorsed, it's a euphemism for,
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oh, it's a Trump candidate, we don't want to support them. I mean, Mike Lee got a primary,
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not a primary, got a general election opponent in Utah. And Herschel Walker, they're saying all the
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quality of the candidate, well, you should be talking up that candidate the way they talk up,
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you know, their own candidates. And, you know, you look at they put money into, we're putting money
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into a race in Alaska, Murkowski against Chewbacca, where they're both Republicans. But the national
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leadership is spending money there. And, you know, they spent money in primaries to defeat candidates.
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And then they're still running them down after the primary. So Republicans, we still fight after
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our primaries going into election day, the Democrats have united against us. And, and certainly,
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you know, as far as messages go, we still have to figure out how to how to attract Democrats,
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particularly in states where there's Democrat registration advantages to come over to our side
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and realize that, hey, inflation, crime, the crisis at the border, we need to get attract voters so
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that they can't, the Democrats can't, you know, unite enough for their party, so that they win on
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messages like threats to democracy and abortion. Because, you know, it just, it, we, we still need
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to take some of their votes. We have to win independence decisively, and we have to take
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some of their votes. And you only get that with, with messages.
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John, as, as I, as I listened here to you and the audience, I hear a clear call for a change of
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leadership in the Republican Party apparatus, whether it be at the Republican National Committee,
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whether it be, whether it be on Capitol Hill. They, the leadership of the Republican Party has failed
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again. And I don't care what the margin is at the end, frankly, now, it is not the margin that
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Republicans should have achieved, given hyperinflation, given an economy that is in distress,
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millions of Americans who are in financial distress. A, this is just an incredible moment to me to see
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that this midterm election was not a referendum on the Democratic Party and its leadership in the
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White House, throughout the federal government, in both houses, and by the way, in state houses as
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well. It's incredible that the leadership is so weak, so intellectually puny, that they cannot contend in a
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real dogfight and a seriously important fight that should have been, I think, overwhelming in favor of
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Republicans. Your thoughts? Well, I, I can certainly talk tactics and strategy, but as far as a leadership
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fight, that's going to be up to the senators and members of Congress that get elected, and they'll
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decide that. But I tell you, the one thing that started is the Republican primary for president has
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started. And Donald Trump has not announced, he's announced that he's going to announce, and I think
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a lot of this will focus on that in terms of, you know, the Republican base, President Trump is still
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very popular. But unfortunately, there's still a lot of, you know, rhinos that want to, that don't want him to
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come back in spite of the success of his presidency, in spite of the success of his policies. I think we're
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going to see, I think we're going to see a situation where those kind of, that will play out just like it did with
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Ronald Reagan back in, when you look from 76 to 80. You know, there was, there was challenges to Ronald Reagan, where some
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people I remember, they were saying, Phil Crane is the younger version, the better looking version. And Ronald Reagan
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had to, after he lost the Iowa caucus, he had to come back and win the New Hampshire primary to prove that his message
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was right. So now you're going to see, you know, everybody's expecting Donald Trump to run for president
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again. And certainly, I believe he would beat Joe Biden decisively. But there's going to be primaries, and there's going to be a
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challenge in the nomination contest. And it's a gauntlet, it's not a quick sprint, you're going to
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have a, the first contest won't happen until the Iowa caucus in 2024. But all during the year, you're going to have a
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gauntlet where people are saying, you know, is it going to be Trump? Is it going to be DeSantis? Is it going to be
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somebody else? And, you know, that's, that's going to be the, that's going to be the contest and the
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focus within the party right now. Okay, I, I take it, you don't want to talk about, well, I, I,
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and I understandably, internecing battles, as it were. But the fact is, one thing I'll say about what's
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going on with the leadership, I think, as far as the Senate goes, if, if Herschel Walker ends up in a
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runoff, and we don't win that seat, that's, that's certainly a signal that there's got to be a
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change. I mean, there's, there's, and there's got to be a change, not just of tactics about how you get
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out the early vote before that December 6, runoff election, not just the messages that we're running
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on, but certainly, you know, what are we doing to put Raphael Warnock and Chuck Schumer
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on the defense? I mean, they're going to put us on the defense. So, so there's, so that I think,
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again, it's like deja vu all over again. Here we've woken up and it's Grand Hog Day. We are going to have
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a runoff in Georgia for U.S. Senate. And exactly. And the leadership should stake, you know, it's going
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to, because it's going to matter. They should stake their claim to leadership on success in that race.
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Yeah. I, I think, if I may say it, I think that there is more proximate evidence that a, a change
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in leadership is critically necessary to the fortunes of the Republican party. And that is,
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Ronna McDaniel once again bragged about the ground game, about the engagement of volunteers
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and attorneys across the country. They didn't show up anywhere. Not a single place do I know of
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where there was a confrontation between Republicans and the Democrats over the conduct of the election,
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not in Arizona, not in Pennsylvania, not in Wisconsin. This is a, this is an absurdity.
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It is a fiction. Leadership is a fictional word for the Republican party right now. And it takes
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us back to the loss of when good old Mitt Romney and his, it's his idiot associate, Paul Ryan lost
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in 2012. We had, we had gurus rocking around saying, they're absolutely going to win. They're
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going to win. They're going to win. They did an autopsy as Reince Priebus, then the chair of
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the RNC called it. And an autopsy was exactly the correct language. He didn't use correct language
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before that, but he, he had that one, right. And the fact is it was the same failure. The inability
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to connect with state and local organizations, the inability to be anything more than a fat
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overblown fundraising operation. That is a fraudulent when it comes to the, the role of party leadership.
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It's got, Ronna McDaniel has got to go for God's sakes. How many elections can she lose and still
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be listened to? She's out in front of the press with her hair just perfectly coiffed, I believe
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is the word. Uh, and, uh, you know, talking to some, uh, you know, uh, uh, some clever anchor on cable
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news and making no sense at all. No sense. What are we to do here? Should, should the troops just
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keep marching blindly ahead with the same mediocrities at the, at the helm? Well, I think
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what you're going to see is you're going to see the, the grassroots and the, uh, and the donors.
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Um, and I'm not talking about the inside the beltway corporate donors. They're, they're in a different
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class and they're, they're oftentimes they're too close to the Democrats, but the grassroots people
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that actually give to the Republican party, they're going to wait and see, because this is,
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you know, there's a big question about, um, you know, precisely of like, why are we giving to the
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Republican national committee if we're getting beat? I mean, this is like, we're starting a football
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game and we're already losing before they have by hundreds of thousands of votes in a lot of contests.
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And we can't, we can't do that anymore. By the way, Florida, I mean, you know, going back to when
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I worked for Jeb Bush after the 2000 election, I worked in his reelection in 2002. I mean, he was a
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great governor, but they fixed the election law. So Republicans have it down to a science in, and
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Susie Wiles who works for president Trump, they have it down to a science where, okay, this is how many
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early absentees we're going to put in. This is how many, uh, we know who votes early in person.
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We're going to get our troops out to vote early in person, and then we're going to win on election
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day. And the places where Nassau County, New York, the Republicans there picked up two congressional
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seats, picked up three state Senate seats. Uh, they delivered 55% of the vote in a county that has
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8% more Democrats. They delivered 55% of the vote for, uh, Lee Zeldin because the chairman out there,
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Joe Cairo engages in absentee ballots and, and runs even with the Democrats in the early in person
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voting. And then they beat them on election day, just like they do in Florida. But the national
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committee, we don't see that big infinite emphasis on, we need to win the absentees. We need to win
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the early in person voting. We need to win on election day. And, uh, you know, that I, you
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know, I don't like to go into a, into a contest where we haven't played the first quarter and all
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of a sudden we're down, you know, 30, 40 points and you're playing catch up to win the game. So, uh,
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and that, that happened across the board. Yes. And, and the next, you know, and, and two things
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disturbed me and I will be straightforward about it, uh, initially going into this. And that is
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that Ronna McDaniel was still at the RNC and was talking confidently. Uh, I know by personal
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experience that her remarks about either confident or otherwise are not reliable. And the next was the
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return of, of the, uh, rather, uh, outsized figure of Brad Parscale, who, I mean, what is going on
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with these defeated characters, uh, is still in place. If there is no penalty except for our
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press, only President Trump gets to pay the penalty, uh, and, uh, and a handful of candidates
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without any change, uh, it's, it just can't go on. There has to be consequence for failure and
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those two figures, and then we'll leave it. But those two figures, uh, have got to be replaced.
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By the way, one more comment I want to make Lewis. I just got, you know, I just got back from, well,
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I was during the summer, I was commuting back and forth to Israel because they called an election
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early in the year. I worked in Hungary. Right. And, and during this election, some of prime
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minister Orban's leadership, political leadership team was in the United States to observe the
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election. Specifically, they went to Pennsylvania. They went to Trump rally. They also, uh, uh,
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day before election and election day were in New York observing the governor's election. And when I
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explained to them the problem in Pennsylvania, and I wasn't working direct in the Oz campaign
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about the mail-in ballots, the absentee ballots and about, they were mailing absentees to people that
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they don't have IDs for and that they could take absentees in the week after the election.
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And, uh, in New York state, that they don't require voter ID and that the unions and the Democrats
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get out to vote. And we, we have no way of stopping people because you don't have voter ID. Uh, and it's
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a signature verification. Uh, but when I explained that to them, the Hungarians told me this is like
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1947 when the communists won the election and they, they, you know, they, they, they stuffed the ballots
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with ballots that they didn't know were legitimate. And in Israel, I was working for prime minister
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Netanyahu over there. Um, and, and in Israel, everybody had, you have to vote in person. It's
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one day and you have to show up with voter ID and that's it. And it's a paper ballot that they're
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going to count so that they have a record of it. And the, the Europeans, most Europeans, when I talk to
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them, they can't believe that in America, um, you have a system where voter ID is not required in all
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the states and there, there's all these possibilities for fraud. Um, and they just find that incredible
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that America is this country that's supposed to be the, you know, the, the great honest democracy
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and there's doubts. And, uh, um, you know, so it's, it's, to me, it's like, you know, we're,
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you know, we're, we've got to change our tactics, but we really do have to step up to fight for
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election integrity because Democrats are going to come back with more election laws where like
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in New York, they tried to allow non-citizens to vote. Illegal immigrants would be voting in New
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York, in the city. If, if that hadn't been overturned in court and the RNC did fight that
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they were successful, but there were local Republicans and the conservative party in New
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York fighting that as well. And, uh, you know, we were successful. And by the way, if we gain a
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majority, which we will, we'll gain a majority in the house, but a lot of those gains were based on
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Florida where the governor down there decided to redo the redistricting. So he gave more seats and
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they picked up, but it looks like four seats there. And in New York, where we challenged the law, uh,
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based on the fact that they threw out the redistricting commission and, uh, uh, the conservative
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party, the Republican party, Ronald Lauder, they challenged this law. And it appears we've picked
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up seats in New York because we threw out the Democrat gerrymandering. And instead of losing
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seats, we've picked up, uh, probably four congressional seats in New York. So eight seats out of whatever
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gains Kevin McCarthy has came out of those two States based on people fighting back at the grassroots
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level. Yeah. And Kevin McCarthy, uh, is neither strategist nor tactician and yet, uh, presses on,
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uh, Mitch McConnell, let's be straightforward. I mean, he took on candidates, uh, whether it was in
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New Hampshire, uh, he, Arizona, he decided he was, he was going to actually, uh, fight them and not fund
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them. Uh, uh, this is the behavior of, uh, uh, uh, a petulant, uh, tyrant, not a majority leader. Uh, it's
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un, it's unworthy of the Republican party. Uh, either that or the Republican party is just demonstrating
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election after election that it no longer has, uh, the, the, the vigor, uh, and the, and the motivation
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to prevail. And if that's the case, why don't we just start all over? Because this is a, this is
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idiocy to continue this, uh, this, the, the, these theatrics where you have a majority leader and you
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have a minority leader, you have a, I mean, come on, uh, these people are nothing more than take
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their mouth breathers and they're taking up space, John. Well, I think the focus of the voters is going
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to be on the, on the, on the presidential primaries. I mean, we're a year out, but, you know, they're,
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they're already lining up and if president Trump gets in, he will be the favorite. And then we will
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see that we'll see what will happen when, when, uh, uh, you know, basically the swamp and the, uh,
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the, the, the, you know, the, the anachronistic leaders in the party decide to take him on and,
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and we'll have a lively primary just, and I said, you know, I'm, I'm an old man in this, in this, uh,
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in this, uh, in this, uh, uh, trade. But for those of us who remember Ronald Reagan, when he, he had to
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win the, he had to win the primaries in 1980, I mean, we're going to see the same kind of ball now.
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And there were lots of candidates that went into that primary. You had John Anderson, you had Phil
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Crane. I mean, Phil Crane was going to be the young version of Ronald Reagan. And that just fizzled out.
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John Connolly, I mean, and George, George HW Bush ended up winning Iowa, uh, that, that, uh, after
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that, when, uh, uh, you know, president Reagan had to, or then Ronald Reagan had to come back and
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win New Hampshire and, and recaptured the nomination. John Anderson, John Anderson, Ross Perot. I mean,
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the, the day of the truly effective, uh, or destructive third party candidate. Uh, those are,
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those were good times. Also frustrating times for the Republican party. I, I, I, let's, let's go to
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just a couple of other things. Biden's low approval. Here's a man who drew more votes in his basement
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than Barack Obama did, uh, going coast to coast and, uh, working like heck on the campaign
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Hustings. Uh, his, his, his low approval rating, lower than, than Obama's. Uh, meanwhile, he has the
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best midterm election return record, uh, of his own party members. Uh, he, he lost fewer people,
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uh, than any other president in the midterm right now. What do you think? Well, uh, you know,
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is he, is he lucky or is he just sort of, uh, uh, is he one of those, uh, idiot savants?
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No, as a, as a, by the way, as a, as a matter of personal, uh, uh, you know, uh, my work, I, I'm,
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I'm happy he's still around because, uh, president Trump will beat him in the next election. But, uh,
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but in the meantime, uh, you know, what's amazing is you've got a president that they disapprove.
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They think the country's on the wrong track. They think we're in a recession. They think the
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economy is getting worse, not better. And they're able to survive because the media and them are
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carrying a message where they're, uh, uh, worried about threats to democracy of which they should
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look in the mirrors. And then, uh, also the, you know, abortion and other issues, but the economy
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is going to get worse, not better. And you're not going to be able to blame it on a Republican
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majority in the, in the house or the Senate, but, you know, him depleting the strategic oil reserves
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to keep price of gas, you know, only double what it was when president Trump was president,
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uh, them, you know, it's not going to help inflation and supermarkets with food, et cetera.
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So, um, you know, the Republicans better get a message together and an economic program
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together to fix this because if they don't, uh, the country is going to really suffer.
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So, uh, uh, so how can the country suffer more? Really? I mean, we don't have a Southern border.
00:26:20.740
We have central and South America sending as many people, uh, to the United States as they wish at
00:26:27.100
the invitation of Joe Biden and his administration. Uh, we are right now, our white house is operating as
00:26:33.580
a subsidiary of, uh, the CCP incorporated. Uh, it is doing absolutely nothing, uh, to, to, uh, to blunt
00:26:44.220
the initiatives of China. It is turning over oil from the strategic petroleum reserves that on one
00:26:50.340
hand, Joe Biden says he's doing so that he could benefit consumers. And I think by the way, there are
00:26:55.220
a significant group of Americans dumb enough to actually believe that. When in point of fact,
00:26:59.920
uh, he's diverting oil from the strategic petroleum reserves, a national security breach of the
00:27:05.440
highest order to put in the hands of Chinese communist, uh, connected companies. It's outrageous.
00:27:13.200
Oh, by the way, and those companies, those companies were clients of Hunter Biden and the big guy.
00:27:19.740
Right. And, and by the way, you can still go find those Russian oligarchs that had Biden on the
00:27:24.960
payroll or the Biden family on the payroll, and they didn't get sanctioned by the
00:27:29.740
Biden administration. Right. So, you know, so, but we've got Mitch McConnell with a little conflict
00:27:36.360
too. Yeah. But you know what, go back, go back a second. You know, the Republicans, they're going to
00:27:41.820
be the, the, the swamp, the inside the beltway experts will tell McCarthy and tell McConnell,
00:27:48.300
oh, you don't want to open up those hearings on Biden. Because if you start doing those hearings,
00:27:54.300
it'll be divisive, it'll make, you know, it'll, it'll keep us apart. We won't be able to do business
00:28:01.060
in Washington. I mean, we really need to have hearings on the corruption that's gone on because
00:28:08.620
middle America is suffering because of it. And by the way, one other thing you, I mean,
00:28:15.720
I still believe if Donald Trump was president, Putin would have never gone into Ukraine.
00:28:19.980
And I still believe he's there, you know, prosecuting that war precisely because Biden is too weak
00:28:26.840
to, to stop him from, to stop him from, you know, person, you know, killing thousands of Ukrainians
00:28:35.080
all the time, because this is just, I mean, that war is, is, is it, is just terrible because it just
00:28:42.240
shows how corrupt, what corruption leads to and weakness leads to. And it, you know, I guess the
00:28:49.360
surrender of Afghanistan gave Putin a signal that it's okay, he can go into Ukraine and just kill
00:28:56.560
people and take what he wants. But he never would have done that if Donald Trump was president. So,
00:29:01.800
you know, we're, you're talking about the American economy. I'm talking about the American economy.
00:29:06.620
I mean, there is a very, very dangerous situation with Putin and what's going on with our NATO and our
00:29:14.280
allies there. And I don't think Joe Biden's capable of stopping it. And, you know, so there's real,
00:29:20.880
there, there, there's really dangerous issues out there that, you know, the American people are going
00:29:26.700
to have to take a hard look at and say, what do we need to do? What do we need to do to keep peace
00:29:30.880
in the world? Because there is no Pax Americana in the world right now. And that's the first time
00:29:36.680
since World War Two that that's happened. Well, and you're exactly right, I believe in your analysis,
00:29:42.660
I, I also want to add that for the first time, we have apparently discussions going on with the
00:29:49.560
Russian government at a lower level than Secretary of State or foreign minister, but nonetheless going
00:29:56.260
on about the withdrawal of you of Russian forces at the behest of the US government. That's a
00:30:03.960
breakthrough because this government, this president was actually encouraging Zelensky to continue the
00:30:11.200
fight in what is now an almost nine month long war that has devastated, devastated Ukraine. Yes. And
00:30:19.960
it's fueled, by the way, what's worse than that, it's wrecking the European economies. I mean, they're going
00:30:25.680
to have austerity measures in place where you can't raise up the temperature in buildings, you're going to have
00:30:30.580
to cut back on manufacturing. You have to Christmas, they're going to close like gyms and public
00:30:36.140
facilities because they don't have the oil and gas. And, but they're idiotic. I mean, let's be really
00:30:41.940
honest. The Europeans are moronic. Donald Trump explained to Angela Merkel, if you buy all of that natural gas
00:30:51.860
from Russia, you will be utterly dependent upon Russia for your heating. It's just amazing the stupidity
00:31:02.020
of it. And by the way, you know what the stupidity that we can add to that is the stupidity of the
00:31:06.980
American people tolerating Biden sending billions and billions by the tens of billions into Ukraine to do
00:31:15.460
what? To fight a slow victory for Vladimir Putin. Yes. And the blood that has been spilled, the lives
00:31:24.100
that have been lost because this administration didn't have the fortitude to say to Putin, there
00:31:29.780
will be no invasion. That will not happen. That could have been Joe Biden. It could have been a moment in
00:31:37.620
history for him. And instead he bowed to the oligarchs and to the moment. It's ridiculous. It's just
00:31:46.100
sickening, but it is at least some, some cold comfort that they're talking about. You know, perhaps a full
00:31:55.020
withdrawal. Let me ask you this, this red wave turned into a Republican bloodletting. What, what can,
00:32:05.060
you know, I, I don't know what the markets are going to do. I don't know what business is going
00:32:08.660
to do. I think we are, as you say, we're in a very delicate moment, uh, in terms of markets and
00:32:14.100
economies, not only here, but around the world. But what are, should the Republican do? They refuse
00:32:21.060
to talk about foreign policy, uh, intelligently in a campaign. They refuse to acknowledge what is
00:32:27.540
before their very face, that this is a country right now where we have millions of people in pain
00:32:33.460
because they've lost jobs, because they can't afford to pay, uh, the monthly budget, whether
00:32:39.460
it's for energy, for food, for shelter. Uh, and we pushed a lot of people inadvertently and
00:32:45.700
mistakenly into the hands of the socialist, the Marxists on the left and the Democrat party,
00:32:51.300
the Marxist party. I, hell they're socialists now because it's the only avenue they've, they've
00:32:56.500
got because they're watching wall street ship our money every day to China. They're letting
00:33:02.260
them steal $600 billion in intellectual property. Uh, we're watching them build aircraft with our
00:33:08.420
blueprints, uh, fighters, uh, they're building ships with our blueprints. What the hell is the
00:33:15.140
Republican party going to do about it? When are they going to get honest? I don't think it's going to be
00:33:21.860
the Republican party as an institution, sir. I think it's going to be the voters at the grassroots.
00:33:26.980
You are going to see primaries starting to shape up for 2024. And what will happen is the primary
00:33:33.620
voters will speak those, those candidates that want to win the primaries that will, that will take the
00:33:40.020
positions you're talking about on the issues will win the primaries, and then they will have the
00:33:44.740
ability to win the election in 2024. But if you listen to the, if you just go along with the same old
00:33:50.340
stuff, uh, you know, it's, you're not going to win elections. You have to create your own,
00:33:56.420
your own position, your own brand, and you win elections. And, you know, I mean, we,
00:34:02.740
I was talking to you about the congressional races. We, we help candidates who won races in Florida,
00:34:09.620
won races in New York and pick up seats. And, but they had their own messages and they aggressively
00:34:16.500
went after the Democrats. So, so it's, you know, I, I have a great suit. It's at the toughest times,
00:34:25.780
I have a great faith in the wisdom of the American voters that they will, they will do what they need
00:34:33.860
to do at the right time. It's disappointing though, that, um, you know, I, I, it's disappointing that we
00:34:40.980
missed an opportunity to do more good in this, in this election. So, you know, we can move on from
00:34:46.580
there and Republican governors, you know, did by and large, Republican governors did do well, uh,
00:34:52.900
in their reelection campaigns that were up this year, but the big, the big prize for president is
00:34:58.980
coming up in 2024 and the Republican primary voters are already engaged in it. They're already thinking of
00:35:04.820
it. And we've just got to make sure that, uh, we run on the issue with a strong, aggressive message.
00:35:11.220
What happens in 2024? If you and I are wrong about a couple of things, it's unimaginable. I know to
00:35:19.620
both of us, but anyway, I, I just read the polls. I go, the people are doing and good pollster is an
00:35:28.820
oxymoron these days. So, and media, uh, media host is probably suspect to begin with as well,
00:35:38.500
but have we crossed a line here? Because it looks to me like there is a strong effort on the part of
00:35:45.700
the left, uh, of the Marxist left. They have really pushed millions of people into voting for socialist
00:35:54.340
Marxist policies that are emanating from the Biden administration and the cabal that manages this
00:36:01.060
puppet president. Uh, they're woke corporate America has moved left along with the government,
00:36:07.140
uh, and the Democrat party. Uh, and the Republicans are at sea saying, you just wait till next time
00:36:13.860
and send me another a hundred million dollars here, please. We, we're going to need a little
00:36:17.540
money for advertising. I mean, is that where we are in your opinion, as we wrap up here?
00:36:22.580
Uh, yes. And I think we have a, I think we have a problem also on the other fact that they're,
00:36:28.980
that they're winning elections with other people's money as, as the, you know, Margaret Thatcher used
00:36:33.460
to say, where, uh, uh, the socialists Biden made a big play out of, you know, forgiving a lot of, uh,
00:36:40.980
student debt. He bought it. He made a big play. And when you're saying people were losing their jobs,
00:36:48.340
a lot of people are out of the workforce, haven't come back in since COVID because they're
00:36:52.180
still getting government subsidies to get free healthcare. They're getting, uh, uh, food stamps,
00:36:57.220
they're getting payments. Uh, they didn't have to pay their utility bills for a certain amount of
00:37:01.940
time. So, so the bad part going into 2024 is, uh, you're going to see the Democrats come back with
00:37:09.540
ideas like that. The good, and, and by the way, we can talk about the markets and you know more about
00:37:13.780
this than I do, but the markets as we speak are going down now. We could be going back into this kind of,
00:37:19.300
uh, gradual decline of the markets because Biden is still there, but the Republicans better stand
00:37:26.580
on principle and better stop the spending and stop the inflation because if they allow the Biden
00:37:33.060
inflation to continue, they'll go down with it too. And we'll be left for the socialist economy.
00:37:38.660
So I'm going to, I'm going to ask this audience, uh, beginning today to communicate with their
00:37:44.980
congressmen, uh, their senators, that'll be just for fun. Senators never listened to anybody, but,
00:37:51.300
uh, particularly to the house and, and tell them, you know, it's time to remove the leadership.
00:37:58.260
Uh, and if you don't come up with an idea and if we don't see you in the district,
00:38:02.500
and if you're not working for us, we're, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna absolutely
00:38:06.500
obliterate you in the next election. Uh, and we're going to campaign vigorously against you
00:38:12.100
because this is about what serves the American people. I, as you know, I'm a populist,
00:38:17.220
I'm a conservative populist, but I'm a populist. And I mean, it's time for the middle class of this
00:38:22.980
country to get serious, uh, working men and women and their families and demand,
00:38:27.940
demand what is their due. And that is respect from their government, uh, instead of an assault
00:38:33.780
from it. We're, that's where we are. And the Republican party is playing the part of accomplice,
00:38:39.380
uh, in that assault because they, they're, they're cowardly, uh, and they're absolutely
00:38:47.380
bereft of original ideas. And that's why Donald Trump is still the only candidate that stands
00:38:53.300
heads and shoulders above all other aspirants. Uh, you always get the last word on this show,
00:38:58.420
and I'm going to turn to you now, if I may, uh, and John, and for your concluding thoughts,
00:39:03.140
I'm sure they will be going into this election. I was wondering whether it was going to be,
00:39:09.620
and I hesitate to use the word red wave, although I was optimistic that we would gain more seats,
00:39:14.980
but we've got controls of, of the house. But I was worried that it could be a 2012 election like
00:39:21.140
Romney had where over the weekend, the Democrats, you know, uh, 2012, a week out, everybody thought
00:39:28.740
Romney was going to be the next president beat Obama. And over the weekend, Obama and his,
00:39:33.220
his team went to work and they pulled out a majority on Sunday and Monday and Tuesday for,
00:39:38.820
uh, for his reelection. And, uh, you're seeing, you're seeing that again, where the Democrats,
00:39:46.420
you know, double down and we're able to save some senators, save some members of Congress that we
00:39:51.860
should have beaten and Republicans need to learn from it. So we need to do better in the next election.
00:39:58.020
And, uh, that's what we need to do. And we need to run on a clear contrast
00:40:02.020
of issues and ideas and the American people need to hear from us and we got to fight through and
00:40:06.740
make sure that happens. Well, well said as always, John, and we thank you for being with us to make
00:40:13.940
us better understand, uh, uh, this, uh, the past 24 hours in this country, as we all are licking our wounds
00:40:21.140
and, uh, delving deeper into our individual philosophies, as well as, uh, party politics.
00:40:28.020
You always, uh, you always, uh, educate. We appreciate it so much. John McLaughlin. Thanks
00:40:33.860
for being with us here on the great America show. God bless you. Thank you for the opportunity.
00:40:37.860
Keep, keep, keep getting, keep getting the facts out and people will decide.
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Thank you everybody for being with us here tomorrow. Our guest will be Tom Bevin.
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Tom is the co-founder and executive editor of real clear politics. Please join us till then.