The Great America Show with Lou Dobbs and Robert Kavulos on the importance of money in the midterms, and why it's not enough for Scott Ronna DeRozan and Josh Shapiro in the Pennsylvania governor race.
00:01:22.220One of the most intriguing battles, I think, is in Pennsylvania, the race for governor between Mastriano,
00:01:27.940the Republican, and Shapiro, the Marxist Dems, who's trying to avoid his record as attorney general.
00:01:33.920How's Mastriano doing there in Pennsylvania?
00:01:36.720Well, what we've got going on is that race is one that Mastriano is not being treated like any other Republican nominee around the country.
00:02:45.320Let's start – let's start with who is it that is not giving him money and why are – who are those who are responsible for not saying that he's well-funded?
00:02:58.020Well, they're – I mean, what I don't think we should do is get into the, you know, tip for tap.
00:03:05.440But there are – there are just lots of things that Republican nominees have access to that he doesn't.
00:03:15.240And it's – I don't think it's a good decision.
00:03:18.500And I think in the end it's going to hurt – it's going to end up hurting Oz.
00:03:46.080Well, I think there are signals that a lot of people high up in the party organizations send to major donors that this is one worth investing in.
00:03:59.000And donors quite often give a large sum of the money to the party, their apparatus, to pass through to then go in these races.
00:04:09.960And the signal – you know, they're just not getting the signal that that's a place they're wanting to invest in.
00:04:14.900And I've always been critical – and I don't regret this.
00:04:18.340I'm critical of the party when these organizations spend money to win primaries where they have no business being involved.
00:04:34.920They didn't need to dump millions in there.
00:04:37.260It wasn't necessary to give some money there.
00:04:40.280And there were lots of other primaries when money got spent.
00:04:42.440I just – I fundamentally don't think that's a good idea.
00:04:45.140There are a lot of – I mean, there are probably 10 or 20 major, major contributors around the country that get signals from leadership in these groups and the party apparatus and say, this is good, this is not good.
00:05:01.960And I used to think it was short-sighted to do that to Mastriano.
00:05:05.640Mastriano, he might not be who you wanted, but I would say it like this way.
00:05:47.400I know that's a problem for a lot of people, but for a lot of people, it means a lot.
00:05:51.560But if this man is not a suitable candidate to be governor of the state of Pennsylvania, who in the world would the donors want other than this man?
00:06:07.780Yeah, what you have to understand is there is still a very kind of quiet war going on within this party of the people who are still fighting 2016.
00:08:13.700I don't like it at all because I think that it has – it takes a guy who should not be given any bona fides when it comes to being a crime fighter.
00:08:24.900He is the attorney general who has overseen all this nonsense in Pennsylvania.
00:08:28.560And – but you don't beat up Fetterman by promoting Shapiro.
00:08:37.700And I just – I seriously doubt that the donors who cared about Fetterman losing and Oz winning, who gave them money, would be okay with something that boosts Shapiro and actually works against Oz by doing so.
00:08:55.080Okay, I may be a little slow today, but Robert, I need you to guide me and the audience through this a bit.
00:09:01.920When you're talking about defeating Fetterman and helping Shapiro, give us – if you will, just expand on that a bit.
00:09:16.500Well, the ad – I don't know if you've seen it, but the ad – well, you have because you brought it up.
00:09:23.140So the point of the ad was to suggest – talk about how Fetterman has been weak on crime by comparing him to Shapiro and suggesting that Shapiro has not been weak on crime.
00:10:20.420I mean, it's my belief that, you know, if Fetterman – I mean, if – sorry, if Mastriano gets beat by 10 points, it's very hard for Oz to win.
00:10:34.120If Fetterman wins, the people of Pennsylvania are in line to be considered the dumbest people in the history of American politics.
00:10:44.880Yeah, I mean, the whole point is if Fetterman wins, it means that Shapiro won.
00:10:52.220And then Shapiro was twice in power because now he gets to – now more than likely he'll get to appoint somebody to take Fetterman's place shortly thereafter.
00:11:14.880I'm pointing out that there was a – there was at least rumors that they wanted to switch his wife in for him going into that election,
00:11:27.360which would have been just as inane as having put him up in the first place.
00:11:31.220But then again, so I said that the people of Pennsylvania would be in the running for that title.
00:11:36.180But I think we've got to give great credence to the idea that it may be the Republican Party that has more stupid people than anyone in the country.
00:11:45.680Because they are letting Karl Rove and the Bushes and the Rhinos and the Paul Ryans operate behind the scenes, selecting whatever candidate and starving whichever candidates are necessary to keep Trump out of the race.
00:12:04.160We also know, and as a respect to your polling, we know that Trump is the preferred candidate right now in the Republican Party, and overwhelmingly so.
00:12:15.200So we have a group of Rhinos who are Democrats with an R behind their name.
00:12:22.000Why in the world can't the Republican Party shake itself of an RNC that is primarily a money-raising organization and a group of Rhinos that are really left-wingers?
00:12:35.760And I defy anybody in this country, anybody listening, tell me, what is the counterpart to Rhinos in the Republican Party?
00:15:03.780Because I've been saying since the beginning, you probably remember this, that there are a lot of people that are unmeasurable because they have just quit participating.
00:15:12.060And this is different than before, that the Biden administration has scared them.
00:15:16.320They are convinced that some of the polling being done is essentially that data is going to be given to the government and used to make a list of MAGA people that need to be targeted.
00:15:27.760But I'm not saying they're right that I'm not.
00:15:31.120I mean, you know, people here's the thing about a conspiracy.
00:15:34.920There are people who believe it and those people still have votes.
00:15:37.800So even if they're wrong, it affects their behavior.
00:15:41.080So it doesn't really matter what we think.
00:15:44.860If somebody thinks that taking a poll is going to put them on a list, they're not going to take a poll.
00:15:49.940But the odds are they're still going to vote.
00:15:52.720As a matter of fact, they all say they're still going to vote and they're very nice about it.
00:18:56.860Let's say we get a red wave, that the people of Pennsylvania come to their senses and decide that Shapiro is not the guy that should be in the job,
00:19:07.400and that Fetterman is unfit for the job.
00:19:11.680Is that strong enough to get them over what is in place in Pennsylvania?
00:19:21.420Again, part of the problem with what I'm talking about is the submerged voters is I don't know how many there are because they don't take polls.
00:19:32.040And so that's why I've been saying for weeks we're better at getting people who are reluctant to say who they're supporting than anyone else.
00:19:40.860But even we, I believe the Republican turnout will exceed what we think it is, what we see.
00:19:50.100Yeah, when you see these submerged voters as you style them, and you've been talking about it for weeks now,
00:19:56.800and you started talking about it early on in this latter phase, they're submerged.
00:20:07.000But now I'm almost hearing you say they're also paralyzed.
00:21:33.420I mean, I've heard, again, I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, mainly because I think it's hard to give anything secret in this day and age.
00:21:45.700But there are people who think that Biden has said the magic words in that speech to open up the Patriot Act against people who are MAGA.
00:21:57.920And if they think that affects their voting pattern and affects their ability and willingness to participate in polls, then we can't measure them.
00:22:05.480Well, I don't want to get into a discussion of conspiracy theories.
00:22:10.940But we know for a fact a number of things.
00:22:13.620For example, we know about the executive order on March 21st, which puts the federal government in the business of getting out the vote.
00:22:22.260We know that the government is peopled by Marxist Dems at the top and Democrats throughout the permanent bureaucracy, the federal government.
00:22:33.000We know where their political interests lie.
00:22:37.800It's not a long, long shot conjecture to say that getting out the vote for them probably means getting out one party.
00:23:02.420But, I mean, you're talking about millions and millions of people who will be influenced by the federal government in just – and let's say it's perfectly straight, a get-out-the-vote campaign.
00:23:18.180In fact, it's not a conspiracy theory to think that a billionaire last election went out and spent a half a billion dollars to subsume county election offices and take their place with nonprofits with allegiance to George Soros and to Mark Zuckerberg.
00:24:57.700We're the ones who got this on the national radar screen, and we think this is a real fight.
00:25:02.520And I think another thing going on in New York that people aren't realizing, we've had a lot of people talk about Cuomo and how much they don't like Hochul and they did like Cuomo.
00:25:13.120And I just have a sneaking suspicion there's a Cuomo machine in every county, and they're either kind of just walking, going through the motions, or maybe even actually working against her.
00:26:07.480By the way, we've seen him also tried in action.
00:26:11.560He's also a combat veteran, I should point out.
00:26:14.680But he stood on the stage as a man came after him with what appeared to be a knife trying to cut him.
00:26:21.680And Zeldin simply grabbed his arm in the most relaxed fashion I've ever seen and held the man, not simply at bay, but held him under his control until others could come and take the man off the stage.
00:26:34.000He's a man who had gunshots in his front yard and gunshot victims hiding in the bushes under his porch while his two teenage daughters were at home and he and his wife returning from a campaign.
00:26:51.780We've seen this man handle adversity and emergencies.
00:27:04.520For him not to be governor of the great state of New York would be one of the most tragic moments in terms of opportunities lost for this great state of New York.
00:27:16.920Well, like I said, we're the first one to say that it was a reality, that it was a competitive race.
00:27:24.880Everyone said we're crazy, double digits.
00:27:28.300And we've watched each poll get closer and closer and closer to what we said all along.