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After the RINOs in the Republican Conference voted to oust Jim Jordan as their speaker designate last Friday, the Republicans are now back to the very beginning, square one, back in conference to vote on a new speaker to bring to the floor. In just moments, we re going to be joined by former Congressman Devin Nunes to get his take on all of this.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you with us.
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Happy Monday. A big week ahead and a lot of work to get done in Congress this week,
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particularly for the Republicans. After the RINOs in the Republican conference voted to oust Jim
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Jordan as their speaker-designee last Friday, the Republicans are now back to the very beginning,
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square one, back in conference to vote on a new speaker to bring to the floor. The RINOs may have
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won that battle last week when they held up Jordan on every vote from becoming speaker,
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but there may be enough conservative members in Congress who truly understand President Trump will
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be the nominee and the American people, now beaten down by the Marxist-Dim Biden regime,
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desperately want to return to America-first policies, secure borders, controlled immigration,
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prosperity, and a government that works for them, not a government that targets them.
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Voting Jordan down may have been a huge mistake for the Republicans, who are clearly indifferent to
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their constituents' will and who are just as clearly being led in this moment by the RINOs
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and their establishment donors. Jordan spoke to reporters after losing that secret ballot
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I told the conference it was an honor to be their speaker-designee, but I thought it was important
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that we all know, get an answer to the question if they wanted me to continue in that role.
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And so we put the question to them, they made a different decision. I told the conference that I
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appreciated getting to work with everyone, talk with everyone. I got to know members in our conference
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that I didn't really know that well over the last three weeks, and that we need to come together
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and figure out who our speaker is going to be. I'm going to work as hard as I can to help that
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individual so that we can go help the American people. And I'm also going to go back to work.
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We got several depositions lined up next week in the Judiciary Committee, work that we need to do
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for the American people in our investigative work. So we'll go back to work there. But it's
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important we do unite. Let's figure out who that individual is, get behind him, and get to work
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for the American people. Congressman Jim Jordan, a great American, a great Republican. In just moments,
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we're going to be joined by former Congressman Devin Nunes to get his take on all of this.
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But first, to some of the news and politics going on right now. The new Emerson poll has a, well,
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I think an impressive result. It shows President Trump with a nearly 60% support on the national
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level while every single one of his primary challengers are sitting at single digits. Let me
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repeat this for the rhinos in Congress. 60% for President Trump. No rival above single digits.
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Think of what that means. In the same poll, Donald Trump holds a slight lead over crooked Joe Biden
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in their head-to-head matchup. While President Trump is seen as the 2024 frontrunner by just about
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everyone, he is seen as a threat and an enemy by the Marxist Dems. Judge Arthur Engeron, the Marxist Dem
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judge presiding over Trump's New York civil case, has fined President Trump $5,000 for violating a gag
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order imposed by the Marxists and warned Trump twice about imprisonment. Can you imagine? These people
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are trying to create conflict all over this country. The violation is from a post that the Trump campaign
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didn't remove from their website, which showed the judge's clerk in a picture with the Marxist Dem
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New York Senator Chuck Schumer. Well, joining us now, as promised, is the CEO of Trump Media and
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Technology Group, former chair of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes. Devin, great to have you back
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here with us and welcome back. As you're watching what's unfolding, first, the Republicans were going to
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expand the powers of Speaker Pro Tem, and Jordan was going to step aside until January. The next thing
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we know, the plan is dead and Jordan goes up for a third vote, and then just hours after that, Jordan
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is no longer the Speaker nominee. This couldn't get much more complicated, could it? Well, this was my
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concern, Lou, last time I was on your show, is that if you're going to get rid of the Speaker,
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which was McCarthy, you better have a team of people ready to go that can actually get in there and do the
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job and win. And, you know, clearly, that wasn't thought through. And so now, nobody can agree on anyone. And I get
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it. It's a small majority, smallest majority. I never had to operate when I was in Congress with that small
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majority. It's not easy because any four or five people can cause a rupture. And, you know, look,
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what they're doing, doing the Speaker Pro Tem concept, I just think is a fool's errand. I mean,
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they either need to elect, they got to elect somebody from within, or they need to just go to the outside
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and put somebody in for the rest of this Congress if they can't get their act together. But I think they
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look, you know, it's starting to look, I guess I would say this, I mean, this is just my political
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radar speaking, is that this, the terrorist attack and atrocities in Israel have given the Republicans,
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you know, a little bit of a window here to straighten out their, their act. And I, because I think most
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people are watching what's happening in Israel. But as this continues to go, this could hurt the
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Republicans in terms of being able to recruit candidates and, and actually go out and win
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the election in 2024, so that they don't have a four seat majority, what they really need is a
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20 or 30 seat majority, along with a President Trump, if they were in a United States Senate,
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Devin Nunes, folks, is one of the smartest people to, to come out of Congress, in my opinion,
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if not the smartest over the course of the last 20 years, and savvy politically, as well as in terms
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of governance. I want to ask you the political question here. We see Steve Scalise, obviously hating
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on Jim Jordan. We see Kevin McCarthy, who says, there are no wounds and no lingering resentments.
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Well, it's, politics is always, you know, three dimensional chess playing. And you always have to
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remember, too, that, and I always cautioned, you know, my fellow colleagues when I was in Washington,
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you know, one, never say what you'll never do. And two, always remember that today's enemy,
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you know, could be tomorrow's best friend. Because when the government is, is functioning properly,
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which hasn't been for a while, but when it is, you know, things typically would break down,
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could break down politically by party, could break, break down by an issue that, that, that some
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Republicans and some Democrats are really care about. Lots of times there would be regional issues
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that matter to people where, you know, you make it a block of votes that may vote for a region,
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just depending on whatever, whatever that issue may be. And, and these are the things that the,
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that these guys have to, when I say these guys, the Republicans have to remember, and,
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and we're not the Democrats, Lou, in terms of the longevity of, of members of Congress. I mean,
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if you, if you look at what the Democrats are, they've got the ancient 1960s hippies that are
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still there in Congress, i.e. Pelosi and company. Yeah. Well, it's true. I mean, I worked with these
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people. These are radicals. They, they're radicals. They, they transformed San Francisco. A lot of that
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was a hotbed of, of craziness that started in the sixties and seventies. And you can trace it back.
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The history is clear. I mean, you probably remember, um, this will be a blast from the past,
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but Lou, probably only you and I will remember this name, but you remember Burton, the Burton family.
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There were two brothers. Um, you know, they were the ones that really orchestrated that
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transformation in the sixties, where those guys went from kind of conservative union Democrats to
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embracing, uh, radicalism. And it was, it was Burton who I think he, it was the one was in,
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one served in the state legislature forever. Another one was in Congress forever, not to go
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back through boring history here, but it's important because Burton seat became Nancy Pelosi.
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And then Nancy Pelosi, the Bay area continued to grow Nancy, that whole movement spread. Uh,
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then you had the likes of the Bernie Sanders, et cetera, that, that popped up and the radicals that
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popped up in New York city. Um, and it transformed the democratic party from what would have been
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historical blue collar union party into a radical regime that really is Marxism. And then they adopt
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these cult like, uh, um, uh, philosophies like, you know, one on the one day, it could be the whole
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green movement. The next day it's global warming. Uh, the next day it's LGBTQ plus. Um, but they jump
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from cult to cult to cult all in the name to just get power. And that is kind of the, from,
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from my perspective, the definition of Marxism now went through that little history lesson for your
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poor listeners here. Um, just so they know where this originated, but now there's a, there's a new
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strain in the democratic party. And that is they're getting the young people. So the, the old hippies as
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they go are slowly being, a lot of them were there forever. I mean, we used to joke, I served on the
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Ways and Means Committee, uh, Lou, as you know, for a long time, a lot of people know me as the chair
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of the House Intelligence Committee, but I also served on the Ways and Means Committee. I mean,
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we used to joke that, you know, those members from like my first, I don't know, decade in Congress
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and decade on the Ways and Means Committee, the top row for the Democrats never changed. We joked that
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it was the pull-up hero. It was, you know, the Charlie Wrangles of the world and, uh, Pete Stark. I mean,
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you know, these guys that had been there, been there forever. Um, as those guys have gone,
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they've been replaced by true trained young Marxists. And that's where you're getting these,
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yes, that's where you're getting these squad members. Um, and they're very disingenuous. Um,
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they're, they, they, you know, on one hand they're for Palestinian, uh, rights and, you know,
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accusing the Israelis, you know, quickly on bombing hospitals that didn't happen. Um,
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and then on the next, the next breath, they're flying an LGBTQ flag. And now as you and your
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listeners know, if, if one, if anybody showed up there, some young woman shows up in Gaza Strip
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on the LGBTQ flag, that person is going to be taken to the tallest building in Gaza and throwing
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off the building, um, or in most parts of these, where you see these radical, uh, Islamic, uh,
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regimes and, you know, same thing with Iran. I mean, they support the Iran regime, which,
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you know, women have no rights in Iran. So they're not stupid. That was my point.
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And meaning these Marxists are not stupid. They are what they are. They're Marxists. They're smart.
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They're conniving. Uh, they take whatever cult that they can glean onto, and they put forward a
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coalition of hopefully, uh, just zombie voters. And then they stay there forever. And that's the
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difference. So I, I went into this long diatribe because the Republicans, there's been a long,
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a lot of turnover, right? I mean, there's, there's, you, you get guys that get in and know that,
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you know, they've been in business or they've been doctors that come in, then they'll run for
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another office or they'll retire. But, you know, I want to say that I think two thirds of the
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Republican conferences is, is new just in the last, uh, you know, six to eight years. Don't
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quote me on that, but it's, I'm giving you about the round numbers. Right. And, and that's the
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difference. So, so the, the, the Politburo style Marxists, they're there, they know what they're
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doing. And then our guys are all kind of rugged individualist. They, they want to have it their
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way. They're business guys. They want to have it their way. Um, and it just, as bad as it
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sounds, it doesn't work that way. And that's what I tried to educate my former colleagues on like,
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guys, like whoever comes out of the conference, you got to go with that person. And that person
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needs to stay in for a full term. If you don't want that person at the full term, then you start
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quietly campaigning to run for one of those offices, whatever it be speaker, leader, whip,
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whatever it is, you quietly do it behind the scenes. And then come November, right after the
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election, you open up a full blown campaign and you go get the votes. That's how you're
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supposed to do it. And that, that brings order and stability to the conference. And that's
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We're talking with Devin Nunes and when he talks, we all should listen. And we're going
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to listen as we continue right after this, we'll be right back. Stay with us.
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We're back with Devin Nunes. We're talking about the issues for the Republican conference
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as they are in the midst of a speaker battle as to who will be speaker, who should be speaker
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I think the short answer to that, Lou, is that you've got, you got 20, 20 members there
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that are roughly holding out. Every one of them has a different grievance. You know,
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there, there, there may be some blocks and you see like the New York group that, you know,
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they must, I'm sure they have some issues. I think there's like four New Yorkers.
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They want to be Democrats, but they just don't have the guts to do it.
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Well, the rest of them, the rest of them are, or kind of a hodgepodge. I mean, look, you
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have, for example, you have, um, I think a buck out of, um, uh, Colorado. I served, I
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served with him. Um, very decent person. Um, but you know, he didn't want McCarthy and
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then, so he voted, you know, to get rid of McCarthy, but then he turns around and doesn't
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want Jordan. So, you know, I don't know how you fix some of that. Um,
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Well, how about Don Bacon? How about Don Bacon in North Carolina? Explain him to us, can you?
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So, so Bacon from Nebraska, that is a, so Nebraska does a strange, uh, they have a strange system
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where they actually allocate their presidential, uh, vote by congressional district. There's only
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three congressional districts actually in Nebraska. And I think what's happened. So Don has been one
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of those. Matter of fact, I've, I went in there and did a campaign in that Omaha seat almost my
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whole career. I mean, I think every year I was, I was in Omaha campaigning for whoever the candidate
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was, because that was always such a crucial wing district for us. And, you know, Don is a, is a,
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you know, former general, uh, he's, you know, very passionate guy. And I don't know, I'm not in
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there. So I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but there appears to be, you know, some,
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something must've happened internally there where Don is, is, is really upset at somebody. I don't
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know who, uh, but he's upset about something that happened. And these are the types of things that
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unless you're in there, you don't know what happened mano a mano, right? Where, you know,
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promises were made, promises weren't made, whatever it is, there's disagreements.
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Well, just hopefully they're able to, to, you know, at some point they got to get all,
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they need all, whatever there is left now, 222 Republicans. They all got to vote for somebody.
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I mean, and it needs to be 222. They can't have one or two or four. They just can't do that. It just
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looks silly. Well, silly is, I mean, voting for, uh, John Boehner for crying out loud. These,
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there are a group of them that are not taking this very seriously nor responsibly. I mean,
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frankly, there are enough, what I would call screw balls, uh, and just blowhards in that little
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group, uh, to, to carry the load. I mean, it's, I wouldn't want to be the guy who has the job of
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bringing them to reason and, uh, since, uh, because it looks, I mean, they make the, they make
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the Republican conference look like damn idiots. Yeah. They're all look, they all need to get their
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act together. And I was given my daughter, my, she's in high school, uh, given her a ride to school,
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uh, this morning and she was asking me what was going on. And, and, um, you know, it's hard to
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explain. And, you know, she was around it, you know, her whole life. I mean, she was, she, you
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know, attended my swearing in, she, she would go visit me in, in Washington in the summer. And, um,
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you know, she's just having, when, when, when a 15 year old is having trouble understanding what the
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Republicans are doing, you know, you got a problem. Let's talk about taking on somebody. Uh,
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how should the squad be handled, spreading, uh, hospitalized, uh, taking over the, the, uh,
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you know, the rotunda. I mean, this is, this is ignorance of a proportion that, uh, we haven't seen
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even from them before. Well, this is the, this is the challenge. And this is why I, I strongly advised,
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uh, you know, to, to, you know, keep, you know, you elected a speaker, keep the speaker through the
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term, which would have meant, which would have meant speaker McCarthy. That was my advice at the
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time, because I said, you're, you're losing. What can you really do? Um, I think I was on your show,
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um, you know, the last time I think we, we talked about, look, the, the best thing they can do
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is get their message focused and do short-term CRs talking about the border and the corruption at the
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DOJ period. And that's it. And just tell Biden and company, look, we're not going to give,
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we're not doing an omnibus bill. We're not going to do, you know, you're not going to be fully
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funded for the, for the rest of the year. That's because that's what the Democrats want. And that's
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what a lot of Republicans want. They just want this appropriations thing to be over. They all want to
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get all of their little, uh, pork packages and special interest stuff into either an omnibus bill
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or separate appropriations bills. Um, and that's what the Republicans need to need to fight
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against. They, they need to not, I just don't believe that there's going to be any good
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appropriations bill that would come out of the house and Senate and be signed by, and be signed by
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Biden. And let me add, let me add to what you were saying about the CRs. Uh, Devin's idea was to do 30
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day, maybe 45 day CRs. And correct me if I'm wrong in my, uh, reporting here. Uh, and basically, uh,
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have a, uh, a power of the purse lever, uh, over the heads of the executive branch. And if they're
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not performing, whether it's a border security, whether it is constraining, uh, spending, whatever
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the issue may be, uh, they would have the ability to, uh, to snap back, uh, with, uh, with a significant
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threat against, uh, the purse, uh, that is, well, it's best funding. Well, especially if you don't
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want to give them a full year's funding under any scenario here, because you're not going to get
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what you want. So, and I know some people say, well, don't do CRs. Well, well, your only other
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option then is to do a deal with the Democrats. So you have to do, you have to have a CR strategy.
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The only way you win that, the only way you can ultimately win a spending or policy fight
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is by moving the hearts and minds of Americans. You cannot do that. If you've got every member
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talking about different issues. So they've got to be saying that, look, we're not for shutting down
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the government, but we're not going to have a corrupt DOJ that's interfering in our election.
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If you can get 60% of the people to understand that you can, you can, you can win. If the same
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is true with the border, um, you've got an invasion at the border. So if you say, we're
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not going to fund more than 30 days or 45 days until you stop the invasion at the border, if
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everybody's out talking about that, then you can move people, you can move the population.
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And that's the only way you're going to move politicians is if, is if you have a, if you
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have critical mass and look, that's hard to do. Um, it's seldom been achieved, but if there's
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ever a time to do it, I mean, Lou, you've followed politics longer than I have. Um, and you follow
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this border crisis. I mean, you've been on top of this from the very beginning. Um, this
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is an invasion. I mean, this is, this is, I mean, you have a hundred and some countries,
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people coming from all around the world. Um, and then the same is true with the department
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of justice. We've never had a department of justice that is this out of control. So look,
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I say all this because they need, so that's the strategy for the spending. And then the
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strategy for the investigations is they got to work, you know, seven days a week and twice
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on Sunday on the investigations. They need subpoena after subpoena after subpoena, and
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they're not doing that. That's the problem right now. They're all engulfed in this, this,
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this, this, you know, in inter, uh, uh, uh, party war instead of focusing on the power
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they do have, which is the power to subpoena and investigate. And then that leads to things
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you, you brought up this and I, and I do want to just briefly just at least, uh, expand on
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this. What happened, uh, this week with the strange Palestinian pro Hamas, uh, um, invasion
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of the Capitol, I guess we call it an insurrection now because that's the new name. Um, and I had
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made this point at the time on January, January 6th, which I did not support anybody breaking
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windows and breaking federal property. Um, but we have a whole new standard now in this country
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that if you are protesting your government, um, you now get arrested and you now get fined
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and you get prosecuted. And what happened this week that every Republican ought to be
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saying, okay, department of justice, you have, I don't know what, what, how many people have
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been prosecuted. Now you still have the people being held in jail. How many of the pro Hamas,
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pro Palestinian people this week, how many of them are being held in the DC Gulag? I mean,
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that should be immediate. Like, you know, that's what I would do. I'd say, okay, Chris
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Ray, Garland, what is it? Are you going to answer that question? How many of the people
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this week are being held in the DC Gulag? Because what they did is no different than what a lot
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of people on January 6th did. And I just see breaking the windows, but I know that they shut
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down Independence Avenue. You know where that's at. I mean, they obstructed members of Congress.
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They tore down signs outside members of Congress's offices. So if this is the new norm,
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the Republicans need to focus on why or what are, you know, mostly Republicans on January 6th,
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I think there were a lot of agitators and feds in there. How did you, how do you let 150 people
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block the entrance to the Cannon office building? How do you let that happen? And Republicans,
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this is why they need to get a speaker, stop this, and then they need to hold, use the power
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they do have. And that's something that they really do have, right? I mean, if January 6th is
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the new norm, then either the January 6th people need to be released and treated like the pro-Palestinian
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people, or the pro-Palestinian people need to be treated like the January 6th people.
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That is overcharged and over-sentenced. I want to, I want to wrap up here, Devin, with a very
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straightforward question on the, the president and the appropriations for the special counsel.
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What is, what in the world is going to happen here as we watch this proceed?
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Well, this is the, this once again is the danger, not to, not to be repetitive, but I,
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I just have to tell you that it's going to be, um, it's going to be a problem moving forward when
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you don't have the power, you know, when you're not subpoenaing people and you're not going after
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people. And that's what needs to happen. I mean, the Republicans need to fool in. They need to,
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they need to demand that this nonsense stop. And I, and I say that because it's, it's nonsense.
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I mean, it's the document stuff in Mar-a-Lago. I mean, I know that world very, very well. Um, as,
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as, as, as you know, I mean, your listeners may not know, but I was on the intelligence committee for
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years. Um, that is a hoax, that is a hoax period. Um, and then the, of course the, the, the property
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thing in New York, that's a joke. Um, you know, as you see, they're valuing, you know, 18 million
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dollars of Mar-a-Lago, which is, which is just stupidity. Yeah, I put it in my bed. And then you've
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got this. Yeah, exactly. I think everybody would. And then you've got this, and then it's just an
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extension of, of, of January 6th. And, and president Trump and the American people's right
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to protest the results of an election, which is the basic rights of, of, of every American to
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question the outcome of elections. Which both Democrats and Republicans have done forever.
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I've got to ask you about the gag order because you're talking about the expression and protest and,
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and the punishment for exercising your first amendment rights. Here's the president with
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a gag order from a Marxist, uh, I mean, a Marxist federal court judge. It's outrageous. It's an,
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is that not straightforward intervention in a, uh, interference of a, in an election?
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It completely is. And this is why I'm, and this is, I go back to that the Republicans in the house
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need a speaker. And that should be, that should be one of the first, when we talk about the two
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issues, the border and DOJ corruption, this is a prime example of that. I mean, Trump is going to
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be the nominee. Republicans have to step in, even if they don't like Trump or they don't want to be,
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they don't want to support Trump. The fact of the matter is the, you know, the Republican party
00:29:08.180
is supportive of Trump. Republican party members across the country are supportive of Trump.
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And, and then they need to hold, they need to subpoena after subpoena, after subpoena. How,
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how would this ever happen? A gag, but it's, it's everything. I mean, it's, it's the documents hoax.
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It's the gag order. It's, it's everything Lou, but then look, I'll, I'll tell you, let's turn to
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are not the Republicans don't hold the gavel in the U S Senate, but I will tell you very few. And I,
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and I haven't seen what every single Republican Senator has said. So I don't want to just paint with a
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broad brush, but you do not see very many Republican U S senators calling the department
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of justice into question. And that is a problem. I mean, every elected official, even if you don't
00:29:55.980
support Trump, you know, at least on the Republican side, you should be calling out that there's no
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Republican elected official that ought to be thinking that anything the department of justice
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is doing right now is, is not only outside the norm, but it's actually destroying this,
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And I said very directly here, the department of justice, the FBI, the intelligence agencies
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of this country are politically corrupt. The Biden regime is throughout agency and every,
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every agency and every department corrupt. Devin, we, we appreciate your time.
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Uh, we, uh, always appreciate your wisdom and thoughtfulness, uh, and, uh, God bless you.
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Thank you, Lou. I, I, hopefully I, uh, uh, you know, I know it's frustrating times for you,
00:30:50.760
you and, uh, and your listeners, but, um, you know, you just take it day by day and you,
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you just try to call balls and strikes as best you can.
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There you go. You can do as much as you can. So I appreciate everything you do for the country
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00:31:23.080
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