The Great America Show - HUNTER GOT HIS PARDON, TIME FOR J6ERS

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great American Show.

00:00:05.440 It's great to have you with us today.

00:00:07.440 So much going on in this world right now.

00:00:10.020 The Biden regime just sitting lame duck, not much time left to go in this lame duck administration,

00:00:19.180 taking their time, though, doing all they can to undermine what President Trump is coming in and getting ready to do.

00:00:26.860 We find out today that a national security advisor, Jake Sullivan, is planning on,

00:00:34.560 well, he's still working with Ukraine to figure out how they can go ahead and prolong that war that's going on there.

00:00:39.840 But he says now that there's going to be a massive surge in equipment that's being sent overseas

00:00:45.540 before Donald Trump comes into the White House. Take a listen to Jake Sullivan.

00:00:50.780 What are you telling your Ukrainian counterparts about American support in 51 days after Biden leaves office?

00:01:01.640 Well, first, what I'm saying is we are going to do everything in our power for these 50 days to get Ukraine all the tools we possibly can

00:01:10.220 to strengthen their position on the battlefield so that they'll be stronger at the negotiating table.

00:01:14.760 And President Biden directed me to oversee a massive surge in the military equipment that we are delivering to Ukraine

00:01:23.260 so that we have spent every dollar that Congress has appropriated to us by the time that President Biden leaves office.

00:01:30.040 So that's first and foremost what we're focused on.

00:01:32.220 And then I've encouraged the Ukrainian team to engage the incoming team as well as to engage all of our allies and partners,

00:01:40.440 because, again, on January 21st, the war in Ukraine doesn't just go away.

00:01:44.720 Obviously, the new team will have its own policy, its own approach, and I can't speak to that.

00:01:49.420 But what I can do is make sure that we put Ukraine in the best possible position when we hand off the baton.

00:01:55.520 Folks, for those of you who weren't paying attention to that, I want to play that for you one more time

00:02:00.720 so you can listen to just exactly what Jake Sullivan is signaling that's going to happen before Donald Trump comes back to the White House.

00:02:08.600 What are you telling your Ukrainian counterparts about American support in 51 days after Biden leaves office?

00:02:19.360 Well, first, what I'm saying is we are going to do everything in our power for these 50 days

00:02:25.100 to get Ukraine all the tools we possibly can to strengthen their position on the battlefield

00:02:29.620 so that they'll be stronger at the negotiating table.

00:02:32.420 And President Biden directed me to oversee a massive surge in the military equipment that we are delivering to Ukraine

00:02:40.900 so that we have spent every dollar that Congress has appropriated to us by the time that President Biden leaves office.

00:02:47.700 So that's first and foremost what we're focused on.

00:02:49.880 And then I've encouraged the Ukrainian team to engage.

00:02:54.400 Folks, you hear that.

00:02:55.820 In just a few moments, you're going to be joined by Jake Lang, January 6th political prisoner,

00:03:00.300 a great American who's just been dealing with so much.

00:03:02.900 He's going to be with us in just moments.

00:03:05.220 I want to get to some news, though, before we do move on with that.

00:03:09.360 So that's Jake Sullivan once again.

00:03:11.300 Folks, these Democrats, the Biden regime, doing all they can to beat the drum,

00:03:16.960 beat the World War III drum that they've been trying to do since Joe Biden first took over

00:03:22.920 as, we'll call him commander-in-chief, but I don't exactly consider him,

00:03:28.020 never did consider him the commander-in-chief or president of the United States.

00:03:31.840 But nonetheless, you see what these Democrats are trying to do.

00:03:35.520 They're trying to undermine the Trump administration,

00:03:39.380 to put President Trump in a bad spot,

00:03:42.220 maybe not in a position where he cannot go ahead and end that war,

00:03:46.020 like he promised he's going to do on day one, the war between Ukraine and Russia,

00:03:51.100 and also over in Gaza, the war between Israel and Hamas.

00:03:56.560 So the Democrats, it seems that they're trying to undermine President Trump.

00:04:01.300 It's what they did the first four years he was in office,

00:04:04.040 and it looks like they're trying to get a head start.

00:04:06.600 Now, I'm not exactly sure what Congress is going to do about it,

00:04:11.540 maybe just sit on their rear ends like they've done this whole entire time.

00:04:14.860 Who the heck knows?

00:04:16.740 But nonetheless, it's very scary to still think that

00:04:20.020 we still have another over a month of Joe Biden as our president.

00:04:26.020 So some news is now going on locally here at home and not just abroad.

00:04:32.380 The trial concluded in New York for Mr. Daniel Penny.

00:04:36.300 That was the fellow who was on the subway who took down a not-so-innocent bystander

00:04:42.320 who was running through subway cars telling the folks on there that he wanted to kill

00:04:47.360 somebody today and he was looking forward to killing somebody today and scared a baby

00:04:53.480 and a woman and her baby.

00:04:57.160 Mr. Daniel Penny, after hearing this man go berserk, took matters into his own hand

00:05:02.440 and restrained this gentleman.

00:05:03.960 This gentleman wound up dying.

00:05:05.760 I believe not as a result of Daniel Penny restraining him.

00:05:09.480 Now, this is a Marine, Mr. Daniel Penny.

00:05:12.740 We're praying for him and that the tears of justice fall better in his favor than they did

00:05:17.960 for President Trump and his trial and the Marxist jury he received over there.

00:05:23.740 Also happening in New York City, Mayor Eric Adams.

00:05:27.480 It's seeming to be a Republican.

00:05:29.380 I don't know if it's because he's in trouble with the law or it's he's had enough of this

00:05:33.880 migrant problem, but Eric Adams is blasting Joe Biden for illegal immigration and vowing

00:05:38.560 to work with Trump to deport criminal illegals.

00:05:41.560 Now, this is the same tune that we're reportedly hearing from Kathy Hochul, the governor of New

00:05:46.960 York, who now all of a sudden says, you know, she's in favor of of working with President

00:05:52.220 Trump.

00:05:52.780 And, you know, she doesn't hate him as much as she thought.

00:05:55.560 And, you know, most people get to know President Trump don't hate him as much as they thought

00:05:59.460 they did, because he's actually somewhat of a good guy, in my opinion, is a very good

00:06:04.200 guy.

00:06:05.720 But I think it's good.

00:06:06.840 We're starting to see, you know, a turning tide, I think, with some of these Democrats

00:06:12.100 finally agreeing to get on board with with the MAGA agenda, the Make America Great Again

00:06:18.380 agenda, the Bobby Kennedy Maha agenda, making America healthy again.

00:06:25.080 But nonetheless, President Trump has got a lot to do on January 20th, his first day in

00:06:30.040 office.

00:06:31.680 And among the very first things I'm asking President Trump to do is to go ahead and issue

00:06:38.220 a blanket pardon for all those January Sixers who have been so wrongfully committed of overcharged

00:06:46.460 crimes, nonsensical crimes, just just disgusting justice by the Justice Department.

00:06:56.140 I should put justice in air quotes of what they've done to these folks, these January Sixers

00:07:01.540 whose lives have been ruined.

00:07:04.080 A lot of them cops and firemen and school teachers and just regular Americans like you

00:07:09.100 and I, who decided on January 6th that they were tired of the status quo.

00:07:13.440 They were tired of our government appearing as if it was a banana republic.

00:07:18.320 And we now know that we sort of do live in a banana republic.

00:07:21.860 None of us knew what was going to happen after January 6th.

00:07:24.940 We didn't know that President Trump was going to be indicted multiple times.

00:07:29.300 We had an idea that the Marxist Dems were coming for him, but we had no idea that they were

00:07:33.400 going to come for him criminally, civilly, every single way possible.

00:07:38.060 We had the idea, but we didn't know.

00:07:39.200 We also didn't think and never did I imagine that there would be government informants,

00:07:46.840 government actors perpetrating an event to set a certain precedent and a certain standard

00:07:53.220 for the event like we saw on January 6th.

00:07:55.800 And there's a report that's going to be coming out now in the next few weeks or few months

00:07:59.920 that's going to tell us just how many agitators were there on January 6th on behalf of the

00:08:07.240 government.

00:08:08.020 I want to bring in our guest today.

00:08:09.600 He's still sitting right now.

00:08:10.820 He's calling in from prison.

00:08:12.500 He's still sitting in prison thanks to the Biden regime.

00:08:16.460 His name is Jake Lang, political prisoner.

00:08:19.320 Jake, how the hell are you, partner?

00:08:20.960 I'm sorry that you're joining us on these terrible circumstances, but about a month or so,

00:08:27.720 I think the tables are going to turn for you, my friend.

00:08:32.520 John, my brother, thank you so much for having me on.

00:08:35.360 God bless you.

00:08:36.300 And I feel the same exact way after 1,415 days without a trial held as a political hostage

00:08:46.720 by the Biden regime.

00:08:48.700 I think that after four years, we're finally going to have our day of liberation coming very

00:08:53.560 soon.

00:08:53.940 You know, and I apologize to the audience for the audio quality, but Jake, like I said,

00:08:59.240 is calling in.

00:08:59.960 Jake, what prison do they have you in this week?

00:09:04.700 I'm in the Washington, D.C. jail gulag.

00:09:07.660 I am only about a five-short-minute drive from our nation's capital held as a political

00:09:13.600 hostage here.

00:09:14.380 You know, it's sort of like, it's like the, I've been calling you folks, Jake, trophies.

00:09:20.900 You guys are trophies of the left.

00:09:22.980 And the same way Jeffrey Dahmer took trophies from the folks that he decapitated and killed,

00:09:29.020 the Justice Department is using you folks as hostages and as trophies.

00:09:34.360 And don't take my word for it.

00:09:35.960 You can take Merrick Garland's word for it.

00:09:38.180 We have Merrick Garland on the record, Jake, saying, if you guys think you were going to

00:09:42.260 challenge, and this is before this election, if you guys think you're going to challenge

00:09:45.860 that election, you look at those January Sixers who are sitting there rotting in jail.

00:09:50.180 You look at them, and that's going to happen to you.

00:09:52.860 Jake, what do you think to that tune?

00:09:55.760 I mean, do you think it's a new day in America?

00:10:00.000 Well, you know, we're looking at the atrocity of justice that happened to the January Sixers,

00:10:06.260 and then we're looking at the extreme leniency and this rules-for-the-and-not-for-me situation

00:10:12.500 with Hunter Biden getting pardoned.

00:10:14.500 And we really get a new understanding of what Merrick Garland and, you know, his cronies,

00:10:19.560 the Washington, D.C. swamp monsters, really met when they, you know, levy these threats

00:10:24.400 at us, like when Joe Biden said, you're going to need F-16s and nukes to stand up to the government.

00:10:29.260 Well, truly, you could only, you could use a pardon if you're the president's son as well, too,

00:10:36.000 to escape accountability for your actions.

00:10:39.400 So really, when they say you need F-16s and nukes, when Merrick Garland says they're coming

00:10:44.580 after people who stand up against the stolen election, they're just talking about Republicans

00:10:49.300 and conservatives.

00:10:50.420 They're talking about being partisan and weaponizing the institutions of the Justice Department

00:10:56.720 and the FBI and all of these federal law enforcement against Donald Trump and his supporters.

00:11:03.340 They're talking about a two-tiered justice system where they're coming after you only

00:11:08.300 if you're a constitutionalist.

00:11:10.440 Yeah.

00:11:11.220 You know, President Biden, it hurts me to call him president.

00:11:15.520 I only do it for the office.

00:11:17.140 But Joe Biden pardoning his son after saying he would not do so because I don't think he

00:11:23.260 ever thought his son would be convicted of those crimes that we found out he did, in fact,

00:11:27.520 do.

00:11:29.380 It's sort of troubling to me to find out, you know, Donald Trump, they say you hear some

00:11:34.600 people from the left saying Joe Biden should pardon Donald Trump.

00:11:38.720 There's nothing for him to pardon about.

00:11:40.460 He did absolutely nothing wrong.

00:11:42.420 And it's the same thing for you guys.

00:11:44.540 I don't think you guys deserve pardons because you don't need them in the first place because

00:11:48.180 you guys did absolutely, for the most part, you guys did nothing wrong.

00:11:52.200 So it kills me to know inside that you guys have to get a pardon because it means you guys

00:11:57.740 did something wrong on paper, Jake.

00:12:02.340 Yeah, well, we're looking at a couple of different avenues to receive exonerations, to have the

00:12:08.740 slate wiped clean of our criminal arrest record.

00:12:12.140 We're also looking at what's called a pardon of innocence, which is what General Flynn received

00:12:17.880 from Donald Trump, which really does not have any onus of guilt.

00:12:22.620 You're not taking ownership of any wrongdoing.

00:12:25.460 It's actually a pardon given with a complete exoneration attached to it.

00:12:30.480 And so that's what we're expecting as January 6th political prisoners that stood up to defend

00:12:35.800 this country from a Marxist coup d'etat, a stolen election by Beijing Joe Biden.

00:12:42.360 We're not looking to receive, you know, legal documents saying basically commutations of

00:12:48.560 sentences or clemency where we keep the charges that we have, we keep the felony arrest records

00:12:54.460 and, you know, the no-fly list stuff and all the stuff they handed down to us because,

00:12:59.620 you know, January 6th was at one point considered domestic terrorists and violent insurrectionists.

00:13:04.620 So they gave us all these designations on our driver's licenses and stuff that you can't

00:13:10.580 open a bank account, you can't have an Airbnb account, and all this kind of peripheral garbage

00:13:18.320 that came attached to being a Jan 6 or so.

00:13:20.900 We're not just looking for President Trump to just give us a pardon of mercy.

00:13:26.360 We're looking for pardons of innocence, complete exonerations, and, by God's grace, restitution,

00:13:32.020 because the damage that has been done to these families, it's astronomical.

00:13:37.700 You can't put it into a dollar amount.

00:13:39.740 People's lives have been destroyed.

00:13:41.660 They've been uprooted from their communities.

00:13:44.280 Homes have been sold off, mortgaged, repossessed cars.

00:13:48.220 You can't even imagine.

00:13:49.580 I've been in the middle of this movement trying to deal with as much and trying to stave off

00:13:54.320 as much of this government tyrannical oppression as possible, financially as well, too,

00:14:00.340 with the J6 organization's gridrun.

00:14:02.760 And the devastation is like being in the middle of Ukraine and trying to rebuild your life.

00:14:08.320 You know, that's the other big thing, Jake, that people don't, a lot of people don't realize.

00:14:13.360 For anyone who's seen the movie Shawshank Redemption,

00:14:15.900 what people don't realize is the life after you get out of prison, Jake.

00:14:19.280 How long have you been in jail?

00:14:21.320 What's the exact number of days?

00:14:24.660 1,415 days.

00:14:26.940 No trial.

00:14:27.660 I'm still awaiting trial.

00:14:28.800 Just got pushed back until after March.

00:14:30.800 But, yes, 1,415 days.

00:14:32.980 Nearly four years now.

00:14:34.660 So you've got 1,400 days behind bars, Jake.

00:14:37.400 You haven't spent time with your wife, your kids, your family.

00:14:40.820 You were used to going home every single day before January 6th happened.

00:14:48.000 Now you get out of prison, hopefully by the grace of God, President Trump, you know, does the right thing.

00:14:52.660 But you get out of prison, how do you assimilate back to regular life, Jake?

00:14:55.900 I mean, how do you move forward with a normal life when prison is all you've known now for the last over three years?

00:15:04.200 How do these people expect?

00:15:06.180 You want to talk about reparations, Jake?

00:15:07.760 The Democrats always want to talk about reparations and reparations and reparations.

00:15:12.020 What kind of reparations are you guys going to get for being put in jail?

00:15:16.160 Jake, you have no trial.

00:15:17.340 As far as I'm concerned, you're not convicted yet.

00:15:20.520 What is your crime?

00:15:23.780 A hundred percent.

00:15:25.180 And, you know, so actually I'm going to announce this right now on your show the first time I'm publicly announcing it.

00:15:30.940 The J6 Legal Fund, which has been, you know, one of the centerpieces of trying to help the J6ers.

00:15:38.000 We've got lawyers for over 60 January 6th defendants that have been persecuted by this, you know, lawfare regime.

00:15:45.840 We are going to be launching a J6 restitution effort that is going to be filing a hundred billion dollar,

00:15:53.320 a hundred billion dollar wrongful incarceration lawsuit the day that the pardons are signed because that is truly the cost.

00:16:01.920 If you're going to put a number to it, we're talking about 1,500 January 6ers and their families and businesses and lives and health has been destroyed.

00:16:10.260 People have been going through chemotherapy treatment while inside D.C. jail and coming out of here barely alive.

00:16:17.480 The cost has been more than any number could ever put to it.

00:16:22.320 But we will be filing the largest lawsuit ever against the Department of Justice and the United States federal government.

00:16:28.980 A hundred billion dollar lawsuit coming your way for the amount of lives you've destroyed over 1,561 Jan 6th political prisoners.

00:16:38.100 You know, I don't think that's enough money, Jake.

00:16:40.000 Jake, because like I said, you can't it's like if you think of somebody, God forbid, a family member dying on a plane crash in a plane crash.

00:16:48.640 The airline gives you X amount of dollars because they say that's what your life is worth.

00:16:52.080 But if you ask me, I would tell you my work.

00:16:54.940 My life is worth one hundred billion dollars because that's what I think it's worth.

00:16:58.340 You know, how do you put a price on time loss, Jake?

00:17:01.920 How do you put a price on a death smith in the family, grandparents, parents?

00:17:07.060 You'd mentioned people going through chemotherapy while sitting in jail.

00:17:12.400 Jake, I speak to a lot of you guys.

00:17:14.800 You guys, I mean, January 6th is very often.

00:17:18.380 This was one of Lou's biggest issues.

00:17:21.400 One of Lou's biggest philanthropies, I'll call it, that he took part in.

00:17:25.560 And it was you guys.

00:17:26.580 He loved you guys.

00:17:27.500 And he felt terrible about what has happened to you guys.

00:17:31.040 But how do you put a number on it, Jake?

00:17:33.300 How do you put a number on missing your daughter's first birthday?

00:17:36.820 How do you put a number on you missing your child's birth?

00:17:41.720 How do you put a number on saying goodbye to a grandparent who's passed away, Jake?

00:17:45.360 How do you put a number on a missed business opportunity, if you want to look at it from that aspect?

00:17:50.480 How do you put a number on getting a job when you go back to regular life, Jake?

00:17:55.320 Well, you know, this is something profound that I want the audience to really grasp.

00:18:04.240 When you do stand up against tyranny, there are consequences, right?

00:18:08.180 We are patriots.

00:18:09.320 We're 1776ers.

00:18:11.100 The Bible tells us before you build a tower, before you build a house, you must count the costs, right?

00:18:16.680 So we understand that when you go to war, I'm not saying January 6th is war, but this is a spiritual warfare that we are undertaking every day.

00:18:26.620 If you're standing on the constitutional side of things, the Christian side of things here in America,

00:18:31.840 that these evildoers want to destroy your life and suck you dry of any semblance of freedom, of humanity, of dignity.

00:18:39.200 And so we went into this knowing there's a cost, there's a duty when you stand up for your country and for freedom,

00:18:46.600 that you can lose your life or lose everything you ever have.

00:18:49.400 And so, you know, me personally, I understand this cost.

00:18:53.020 And, you know, if January 6th were to happen again tomorrow and my country needed me to stand up for freedom

00:18:58.360 and for free and fair elections against an oppressive regime, the communists that Joe Biden and the Democrats represent,

00:19:06.140 that I would do it again and suffer the same four years or 18 years or 40 years behind bars just to see America free.

00:19:15.140 So the Jan Sixers, they're brave men.

00:19:18.340 They've taken this with stride and become resilient in the face of this horrible oppression.

00:19:24.340 But now that this entire trilogy, this entire, I mean, epic has been passed through, God has carried us through this.

00:19:33.400 Now we need to look back at reality.

00:19:36.140 Oh, I think we lost.

00:19:39.140 And we need to set up, you know, systems in place to get these men jobs, get them apartments, get them cell phones, get them back on their feet, you know.

00:19:49.300 And so that's what we're really going to be focusing on.

00:19:52.260 And the very first step of that is actually getting these pardons.

00:19:55.720 And so I wanted to push this website, the j6pardons.com website.

00:20:01.200 That is an official petition that every single one of your listeners can go and sign right now.

00:20:07.880 Over 30,000 signatures, some amazing conservative lumen.

00:20:11.660 You have one minute remaining.

00:20:14.660 You're standing in solidarity with us.

00:20:16.860 And we need you guys to go and sign that right now.

00:20:19.460 It's on j6pardons.com.

00:20:21.680 And then as soon as you guys sign the j6pardons.com edition, you know, you'll be receiving emails from our team to talk about how to get some of these men some donations so they can get back on their feet and get back acclimated to real life.

00:20:36.720 So it's a travesty, but we've got to band together to fight this evil.

00:20:41.300 Jake, I just heard from the prison line you've got a minute remaining.

00:20:45.040 Are you able to give us a call right back so we can continue this conversation for another few minutes or so?

00:20:50.880 Yes, sir.

00:20:51.640 Yes, sir.

00:20:52.220 Thank you, John.

00:20:53.260 All right.

00:20:53.600 Well, we're going to come right back, folks.

00:20:54.760 We're going to take a quick commercial break here.

00:20:56.060 We're coming back with Jake Lang.

00:20:57.720 Thank you for using January 6th.

00:21:00.160 Political prisoner, as you can hear, Jake calling in from the D.C. Gulag.

00:21:04.240 But I love having Jake on as often as possible, as often as he can get to a phone.

00:21:09.820 It's just a travesty what these people have done to these January 6ers.

00:21:14.140 We're going to take a quick break here.

00:21:15.140 We're coming right back with Jake Lang, January 6th, political prisoner.

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00:23:17.420 Folks, we're back, and I believe we have Jake back on the line.

00:23:22.580 Jake, are you there?

00:23:26.460 All right.

00:23:26.960 I guess we don't have Jake back just yet.

00:23:30.340 We should have him back in just a few moments.

00:23:32.940 But it's a travesty, folks, what the Biden regime has done to these people.

00:23:38.500 Using them, as I keep saying, as political trophies.

00:23:42.180 You know, it's just so terribly wrong what they've done to these people.

00:23:46.700 Some of them spending years in jail.

00:23:50.100 Jake, they're over three years in jail with no trial.

00:23:54.560 I mean, how does that happen in America?

00:23:57.500 How do we see that happening in America?

00:24:00.640 It just doesn't make any sense to me.

00:24:04.860 President Trump, it seems, in my opinion, is going to do the right thing,

00:24:10.720 and he's going to stand by his pledge and get these folks out of this gulag

00:24:15.220 and get these folks the pardons that they so deserve, you know.

00:24:20.440 Most of these folks went there on January 6th with the idea that they were,

00:24:24.760 you know, going to participate in a rally, that they were going to, you know,

00:24:30.100 protest, which protest is a fine word to use because we live in America

00:24:34.560 where we're allowed to do that.

00:24:36.020 They went to protest a rigged election because they thought,

00:24:40.900 and myself and many millions of other people thought and know now

00:24:45.540 that the 2020 election was stolen.

00:24:48.300 You can look at it from any way, any angle possible.

00:24:51.220 If you want to look at it from the machine aspect,

00:24:53.040 you can look at it from the machine aspect.

00:24:54.900 If you want to look at it from the aspect of mail-in ballots,

00:24:59.460 go ahead and look at the numbers that the Democrats turned out this election.

00:25:02.900 Go look at the numbers they turned out in the 2016 election.

00:25:06.020 You don't have to take my word for it.

00:25:08.260 Go ahead and look at the trend.

00:25:10.260 There's no way the Democrats got as many votes as they did,

00:25:13.060 which is the most votes any person's ever got in the history of this country

00:25:16.640 during the year of COVID.

00:25:19.560 So you can look at the abnormalities any way you want.

00:25:23.360 The 2020 election was indeed stolen,

00:25:26.020 and I think along with these January 6ers who are hopefully getting these pardons,

00:25:31.680 we're going to get an investigation into what happened in that election.

00:25:36.920 I believe we have Jake back in the line.

00:25:38.460 Jake, are you there?

00:25:39.480 Oh, press zero.

00:25:41.100 Thank you for using Global Tell Link.

00:25:44.300 I believe we have him back on.

00:25:48.080 Jake, are you there, brother?

00:25:50.740 Hey, John.

00:25:51.600 Yep, I'm here, brother.

00:25:53.120 I appreciate that.

00:25:54.360 So, Jake, real quick, before we wrap up here,

00:25:57.000 I want to just read a tweet from President Trump in regard to the pardon to Hunter Biden.

00:26:03.440 And this is from President Trump's Truth Social.

00:26:05.780 Quote, does the pardon given to Joe to Hunter include the J-6 hostages

00:26:10.140 who have now been in prison for years?

00:26:12.520 Such an abuse and miscarriage of justice.

00:26:15.220 This was President Trump writing this on Truth Social.

00:26:18.300 You go look at the crimes that Hunter Biden committed.

00:26:21.700 He was found guilty over the summer of three felony counts

00:26:24.980 related to purchasing and possession of a firearm while addicted to drugs.

00:26:28.540 In September, younger Biden agreed to plead guilty to nine tax-related charges,

00:26:35.120 including three felonies, and he would face up to 17 years in federal prison.

00:26:39.660 So, you know, this is a man who we know did the crimes that he did.

00:26:43.500 And like I keep saying, you don't have to take my word for it.

00:26:46.120 You go look at the laptop from hell.

00:26:48.180 You can go look at his guilty plea.

00:26:50.940 Someone who pleads guilty to a crime like that,

00:26:54.100 that he knows he didn't do if he didn't do it,

00:26:56.700 doesn't plead guilty to a crime.

00:26:58.280 Now, I don't think that stands for some of you guys

00:27:00.320 because what the Justice Department did to you January 6th

00:27:02.760 is they said, well, take this plea deal

00:27:04.800 and admit to disorderly conduct or whatever,

00:27:08.600 and you won't go to jail for 20 years.

00:27:10.740 You'll go to jail for two years, and it's time served.

00:27:13.340 So I don't think you can look at it from the same light.

00:27:15.580 Jake, are you confident President Trump is going to keep forward on his promise

00:27:20.340 and get you guys the hell out of these jails around this country?

00:27:23.840 John, God's been speaking to my heart since the day I was arrested.

00:27:30.800 This entire situation does not end with the banging of a gavel,

00:27:35.940 that he will, by his strong arm, deliver us in some extraordinary way.

00:27:40.280 And I believe that way is through President Donald J. Trump.

00:27:43.100 I believe that the president's most internal gut instinct

00:27:46.780 is to free us all on day one,

00:27:49.120 not do this individualized pardon procedure

00:27:51.760 where some guys like myself that have violent charges

00:27:55.480 will remain in prison for the next decade or 20 years,

00:27:59.160 and some guys will go home.

00:28:00.460 I think Trump understands the immense amount of human suffering,

00:28:05.100 cruel and unusual punishment.

00:28:06.700 You know, I've done over 900 days in solitary confinement.

00:28:09.380 That's enough punishment for whatever you're alleging against me.

00:28:13.420 And here's another thing.

00:28:15.000 Name one Jan Sixer that got a fair and impartial jury trial,

00:28:19.460 and I will start to concede to you that,

00:28:21.400 okay, then, you know, you can start doing individualized pardon.

00:28:24.280 Everyone was entrapped.

00:28:26.140 Everyone was withheld their due process constitutional rights.

00:28:30.220 Nobody got a fair jury trial.

00:28:32.160 Everyone was selectively prosecuted.

00:28:34.060 There was so much taintedness about the way the Department of Justice went about,

00:28:39.820 you know, kicking in people's doors,

00:28:41.320 sending the FBI Gestapo out on a massive witch hunt

00:28:44.880 to hunt down grandmothers and schoolteachers and Navy veterans and you name it.

00:28:51.040 This whole entire tree has been poisoned from the...

00:28:55.060 Okay.

00:28:59.060 So it all must be thrown away.

00:29:01.760 We've got to get to the root of the problem.

00:29:04.360 And in order for national healing to happen, right,

00:29:07.660 for people to start to regain and restore trust in our secret institutions,

00:29:11.120 like the judiciary, like the FBI,

00:29:14.300 we need a full and massive pardon of every single last Jan Sixer on day one.

00:29:19.840 I believe Donald Trump recognizes that,

00:29:21.800 and he's going to follow his heart and do the right thing.

00:29:24.980 Jake, a lot of people are writing in the Rumble chat

00:29:27.300 and on our Twitter chat and on our Facebook chat.

00:29:29.520 But hang in there.

00:29:31.640 God always wins.

00:29:33.040 And, Jake, we're praying for you,

00:29:34.540 and we're praying for all the folks who are in there like you,

00:29:36.580 dealing with what you're dealing with right now.

00:29:39.540 Like I said to the audience while you were calling back in from jail,

00:29:42.800 you know, I try to have you on as much as I possibly can

00:29:45.080 because this was an issue that was near and dear to Lou's heart,

00:29:47.500 and which means it's now near and dear to my heart.

00:29:49.980 Not that it wasn't beforehand.

00:29:51.260 But, you know, we've got to do everything we can

00:29:54.640 to get you guys the hell out of there.

00:29:56.160 And I think in about a month or so, Jake,

00:29:59.180 you guys are going to be heading home, God willingly, to your family.

00:30:02.800 Jake, God bless you, man.

00:30:04.020 Hang in there, brother, and we'll talk to you soon, all right?

00:30:08.540 Amen.

00:30:09.260 Leave no man behind.

00:30:10.740 Sign the pardon petition, j6pardons.com.

00:30:13.540 Thank you, John.

00:30:14.320 God bless America.

00:30:15.940 God bless you, Jake.

00:30:16.800 We'll talk to you soon, brother.

00:30:17.620 Well, folks, you know, truly a troubling situation there for Jake Lang.

00:30:25.060 I mean, he's just one of the many hundreds who are still there,

00:30:28.940 one of the many thousands who are going through this.

00:30:32.360 You know, I don't understand as a country how we get into this.

00:30:35.500 And, you know, I hope you guys aren't as depressed as I am

00:30:38.780 after just talking to Jake because it's truly sickening to know

00:30:42.080 what a country can do to you.

00:30:44.380 I want to lighten up the mood a little bit and bring in our next guest,

00:30:47.120 someone you guys all know very well on this show,

00:30:50.400 the great Mark Mitchell, head pollster for Rasmussen.

00:30:54.220 The guy's always got a damn smile on his face regardless of what's going on.

00:30:57.480 Mark, how are you?

00:30:58.900 Doing great, John.

00:30:59.920 I'm a comedic relief, right?

00:31:02.880 I love it.

00:31:03.520 You know, as I texted you before the show, we always have a good time, man.

00:31:06.560 There's always so much to talk about, and we've only got about a half hour,

00:31:10.780 but that doesn't usually seem to suffice.

00:31:13.460 So let's get right into it.

00:31:14.900 On the topic of the pardons, what's your take?

00:31:20.180 Joe Biden pardoning his drug addict loser son,

00:31:24.760 who's never been a good person in his entire life,

00:31:28.580 never been an asset to society in any way,

00:31:32.020 has been a menace, a spoiled rich brat his whole entire life,

00:31:36.080 just furthering on, getting a pardon now.

00:31:39.560 What's your thoughts?

00:31:40.320 Biden said he wasn't doing it.

00:31:41.400 Yeah, I mean, a lot of people knew that Joe Biden was a liar.

00:31:47.860 A lot of people knew that Joe Biden was likely profiting from overseas companies.

00:31:51.980 All of our polling showed that.

00:31:53.820 But because there's two realities in this world,

00:31:56.140 there are just a lot of people that will never, I think, see the truth.

00:31:59.820 I think very few people's eyes were being opened up about it.

00:32:03.280 But what I think it probably is, is a really good gift for the Trump administration.

00:32:07.800 Between now and inauguration, he's probably going to get a few other crazy things like this,

00:32:12.060 where Joe just comes out and pisses people off or does things that are just historically horrifying.

00:32:17.780 And my advice to Trump is to use those opportunities to move the Overton window back right

00:32:23.720 and to try and get away with murder while nobody's watching.

00:32:28.140 Really good time to start, you know, in my opinion, greasing the skids for the Jan 6 pardon,

00:32:33.940 like you've been talking about, because this is a really great opportunity.

00:32:37.140 I'll tell you, if your audience knows the concept of the Overton window on the Jan 6 pardon,

00:32:42.840 the Overton window is not there.

00:32:44.920 It's a very unfortunate fact.

00:32:46.800 We can get into it.

00:32:48.120 But there was something very specific about January 6th, got burned into people's retinas.

00:32:52.640 They did not like the optics.

00:32:54.120 And to be honest with you, a lot of people have been pulling heavy weight.

00:32:57.360 You know, Steve Bannon in the war room, you having these guests on.

00:33:00.400 But it isn't reaching everybody.

00:33:02.140 And people do trust our criminal justice system on average.

00:33:07.560 And so right now, people aren't ready and don't support blanket pardons for everybody on January 6th.

00:33:13.660 Doesn't mean I'm saying Trump shouldn't do it.

00:33:15.600 I'm saying, you know, look for a favorable news cycle like this to try and slip it in.

00:33:21.240 But there may be repercussions and blowback.

00:33:24.820 You're absolutely right.

00:33:26.020 And I didn't really think of that, to be honest with you.

00:33:29.100 But it's very true.

00:33:29.940 And it's because you're not hearing about it on the Fox News of the world and Newsmax of the world, even the OANs of the world.

00:33:35.820 It takes you to go to watch Steve Bannon or this show or many other great podcasters who are doing great work like we are to hear about it because it's true.

00:33:46.720 But I think in President Trump's eyes, and I don't hopefully think he's going to be swayed this time by some of the people around him as he was the last time.

00:33:54.340 And that's the thing that kind of annoys me about Gates losing the nomination there is because I know Gates understood this issue.

00:34:01.720 Pam Bondi, I'm not entirely sure she does.

00:34:03.960 I pray to God that she does.

00:34:05.700 But, you know, she hasn't really been an advocate of it for, you know, people in the past.

00:34:10.560 So it kind of does scare me a little bit there.

00:34:13.860 But at the same time, I don't think Donald Trump ever gave a shit about the court of public opinion, right?

00:34:20.080 Yeah, right.

00:34:20.600 Because he's always doing the right thing.

00:34:22.280 He cared about making America great again and doing what's right for the country.

00:34:26.080 So I think, I hope this time around, Mark, President Trump will go ahead and do whatever the hell he wants.

00:34:34.540 No, I think you're right.

00:34:35.760 It's just it's this term is too important for him to make unforced errors, to be honest with you, is what it comes down to.

00:34:42.580 And we can all laugh at the mainstream media and how now 70 percent of people watching cable news right now or Fox News viewers and the rest are CNN, MSNBC.

00:34:51.860 They've destroyed themselves, but they were, if you think back to October, they were effective.

00:34:56.660 It's still driving the news cycle because it was all about Puerto Rican jokes and about Liz Cheney getting trotted out in front of firing squads.

00:35:04.080 And so if he goes out and makes mistakes, it's going to hinder him in some ways.

00:35:10.560 I mean, he made a mistake, in my opinion, with this guy that he put, was it the DEA?

00:35:15.260 And I guess he called him again on that.

00:35:17.020 Yeah, he's got breaking news.

00:35:18.620 He's out of there.

00:35:19.660 Yeah, mulligan.

00:35:21.860 But, you know, in the grand scheme of things, people aren't going to see this mistake as too consequential.

00:35:28.640 But if people are going to dunk on Joe Biden for the next month for giving ridiculous loose pardons and then you come out and give ridiculous loose pardons, again, probably not going to be a problem.

00:35:39.980 But then it's like, oh, well, this guy beats kittens and you pardoned him.

00:35:42.960 Right.

00:35:43.220 So that's what they need to really manage through.

00:35:47.800 It's they got to get through, you know, thread the needle on this one.

00:35:50.640 You know, the craziest thing about this whole January 6th thing is that nobody killed anybody.

00:35:58.100 Mark, nobody did any massive destruction like we saw in the George Floyd riots.

00:36:04.960 Nobody burned cars down like we saw in the inauguration of President Trump in 2016.

00:36:12.280 I watched in D.C.

00:36:13.840 I watched some light Larry King's old school limo on fire.

00:36:17.020 I watched them break the windows of a Starbucks in Bank of America that was on the front page of newspapers all across the country.

00:36:22.440 We never heard about these people getting caught, Mark.

00:36:24.560 We never heard about these people getting prosecuted or anything like that.

00:36:27.740 And it may be to Trump's fault.

00:36:29.440 But, you know, you've got January Sixers who merely just walked through the Capitol, Mark, walked through.

00:36:37.820 We're welcome into the Capitol.

00:36:39.420 And these people now sitting in jail, criminals.

00:36:42.960 I spoke to a woman on the show, 70 something year old.

00:36:45.240 Their name is Cindy Young.

00:36:46.500 Mark, she walked to the Capitol.

00:36:49.020 Elderly, very nice lady.

00:36:50.980 Mark, you talk to this woman, think you'd met her at church.

00:36:53.340 And she says, you know, if she gets convicted, she's in jeopardy of losing her Social Security and losing her business.

00:36:59.200 I mean, how do you – would a conscience do that to people?

00:37:04.100 So even – there's a public opinion paradox.

00:37:08.960 And one of the really good examples is we ask people when Donald Trump got convicted – sorry, indicted.

00:37:17.780 We ask people how likely is it that Donald Trump, you know, did something criminal.

00:37:21.340 And it wasn't a majority.

00:37:23.860 But then do you approve or disapprove of the indictment?

00:37:26.260 And it, like, was a majority because I think people thought that, well, if he goes in front of a jury of his peers, he might have a fair trial.

00:37:34.080 A lot of them thought that.

00:37:36.200 And I think with these people particularly, it's out of sight, out of mind.

00:37:39.540 I know a lot of people are banging the drum, but it's just not hitting everybody.

00:37:42.820 Public opinion is malleable.

00:37:44.140 Well, on this one, I will tell you who did more than anybody on Fox News.

00:37:49.320 It was Tucker Carlson back when, you know, I think Tucker was still there.

00:37:52.920 Why do you think he's not there anymore?

00:37:54.500 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:55.560 So February of 23, how likely is it the undercover government agents helped provoke the Capitol riot?

00:38:02.340 39% very likely, 61% likely.

00:38:05.080 But then two months later, like, after the videos came out, it got up to 46% very likely and 65%, at least somewhat likely.

00:38:14.020 So two-thirds of the country said, well, yeah, it was probably the feds.

00:38:19.320 Problem is that it was, like, out of sight, out of mind.

00:38:22.500 And then we just asked again not that long ago.

00:38:25.940 And it was down below 50%.

00:38:27.700 That's a problem.

00:38:30.920 And then what we're dealing with here is that even now, as of last week, did the January 6th riot at the Capitol represent a threat to democracy?

00:38:39.320 54% of people said yes, 40% say no.

00:38:42.500 So now we've seen the videos.

00:38:43.980 We've seen the grandma getting indicted and people thrown into solitary.

00:38:48.240 What they see over and over again is videos of thousands of people, like, hanging out of windows in the Capitol.

00:38:54.280 And we know they weren't armed, but the optics are that these people, like, could have knocked down doors and ostensibly harmed our lawmakers.

00:39:02.760 It's an inescapable truth that it's going to hang over.

00:39:06.200 I hate to say it, but, I mean, that's what we're dealing with.

00:39:09.240 And unfortunately, for the people who were there, it gets 49% support for pardons.

00:39:17.600 But 46% of people are still against pardons, 36% strongly.

00:39:21.780 It's overwhelmingly Democrats, 60% strongly opposed.

00:39:25.200 They bought the gaslighting and a lot of the independents, too.

00:39:29.540 I could guarantee you, Mark, one thing.

00:39:31.420 If any of those politicians were in there, even Chuck Schumer hanging out in there, I can almost guarantee you none of them would have been touched.

00:39:38.500 None of them would have been harmed.

00:39:39.400 None of them would have been hurt.

00:39:40.160 And just based on the sheer fact that those people who were doing the violence were government informants, most of them, in my opinion.

00:39:47.420 So it would create a little bit of an issue, I think, for them.

00:39:50.920 But, you know, nonetheless, someone's in the Rumble chat.

00:39:55.580 Nobo Bot says, I favor blanket parties.

00:39:58.460 A blanket party is a form of punishment, hazing, or retaliation.

00:40:01.300 That involves a peer group covering a victim with a blanket and holding them down.

00:40:06.040 Does Mike Lindell sell blankets?

00:40:07.960 I mean, how do you – I don't know if you caught the end of my discussion there with Jake, but how do you right the wrongs of these people?

00:40:15.340 The Democrats always want to talk about reparations, Mark.

00:40:18.360 Reparations for this, reparations for that.

00:40:20.140 Well, what about these people who have to assimilate?

00:40:22.280 And I'd said the Shawshank Redemption is a perfect example.

00:40:24.600 So how do these people assimilate back to normal life after you've done this to them?

00:40:31.400 Yeah, I mean, I really don't know.

00:40:33.260 I mean, people have to find out more.

00:40:35.960 It's just not there yet.

00:40:37.100 The Overton window has not shifted back to the right.

00:40:39.600 I mean, like, there is stuff breaking through.

00:40:42.080 I mean, we asked people, was it fall of last year?

00:40:45.920 Some participants at the Capitol have been sentenced to more than 20 years.

00:40:48.740 In general, do you think the sentences are too harsh or not harsh enough?

00:40:52.240 42% said too harsh, 29% said not harsh enough.

00:40:57.480 And, again, a plurality of people do support pardons, like, that's good.

00:41:02.200 But the idea of, like, blanket, like, that's the problem.

00:41:05.060 Case by case wins over blanket 67% to 20%.

00:41:09.140 And it's across the board, even Republicans.

00:41:11.980 That's the problem.

00:41:13.040 65% of Republicans say no.

00:41:14.980 Like, don't just come in and blanket pardon everybody.

00:41:17.720 The work has not been done.

00:41:19.580 That's what you're dealing with.

00:41:22.240 You know, I don't know.

00:41:23.700 I want to turn to now, we had mentioned before that we're getting some DEA news.

00:41:29.100 The gentleman who was put forward to become the next head of the DEA, some controversial

00:41:35.040 things coming out about him over the last, you know, few weeks, arresting pastors of churches

00:41:40.460 during COVID.

00:41:42.020 For me, that's a red line.

00:41:43.500 I'm probably pretty sure President Trump did not know about that before nominating.

00:41:48.280 But nonetheless, Chad Chronister tweeting out, to be nominated by President-elect Donald Trump

00:41:53.200 to serve as the administrator of the DEA is the honor of a lifetime over the past several

00:41:57.220 days.

00:41:57.520 As the gravity of this very important responsibility set in, I've concluded that I must respectfully

00:42:03.000 withdraw from consideration.

00:42:04.740 I wonder what that gravity is, Mark.

00:42:08.540 What's your best take on it as we now find out that good old Chad is out?

00:42:14.840 I don't know what this means.

00:42:17.920 I think it means it's the party of the people.

00:42:20.380 This statement says nothing.

00:42:22.540 It says probably that somebody realized they made a mistake.

00:42:26.860 They got feedback on Twitter.

00:42:29.440 And, you know, Trump, somebody gave him a tap on the shoulder and said, listen, it's not

00:42:33.060 going to happen.

00:42:33.640 Public opinion is not there.

00:42:34.880 That's great.

00:42:35.500 You know, people are still really happy about the cabinet picks.

00:42:37.920 And to be honest with you, the number one, like, requirement for everybody seems to literally

00:42:43.420 just be, if they can, the loyalty aspect.

00:42:47.780 We asked, should Trump hire people based on whether or not they have experience in D.C.

00:42:53.720 or whether he should just pick cabinet officers he knows he can trust?

00:42:58.020 And Republicans say 82% of people he knows he can trust, only 14% experience in D.C.

00:43:03.960 So that's like the stand-in for, like, what do you care more?

00:43:06.340 Or that he's just going to be on board with a MAGA agenda, or it's about competency and

00:43:10.340 trust.

00:43:11.480 And, like, I don't know if you can trust a guy that's out there arresting, like, freedom-loving

00:43:15.980 citizens for exercising their First Amendment rights.

00:43:19.480 So it's like, here's the guidelines.

00:43:22.060 Like, hire people that are MAGA.

00:43:24.460 Voters gave you the mandate to do that.

00:43:27.020 Get in D.C., get all these people in there.

00:43:29.180 You know, that's the thing.

00:43:30.840 They don't, like, the Bondi situation.

00:43:33.480 It's like, oh, a lot of people would like Gates.

00:43:35.420 It's, I don't know.

00:43:36.720 It's, you know, Bondi seems to be a favorite just because she's worked with him so closely.

00:43:41.760 I think that that's why people are excited about that pick.

00:43:46.240 Have you done any polling on who the folks' favorites are in the potential cabinet to

00:43:52.840 be formed?

00:43:53.920 We did.

00:43:55.000 Some of them aren't public yet.

00:43:58.000 But we asked specifically, we asked rating.

00:44:00.920 I'm between you and I.

00:44:01.680 Nobody's listening.

00:44:02.980 Let's hear them.

00:44:05.560 Oh, man.

00:44:06.180 I haven't even had my mic over here the entire time.

00:44:11.240 Fantastic.

00:44:11.600 So, was my audio real quiet?

00:44:14.900 No, you're good.

00:44:15.720 I think the audio is responding.

00:44:18.280 No, no.

00:44:18.880 So, what I was saying is we asked generally, how do you rate the early cabinet picks?

00:44:24.400 50% excellent or good.

00:44:25.920 That's really amazing.

00:44:27.120 83% Republican, excellent or good.

00:44:29.520 That's off the charts.

00:44:31.440 And Trump's got an 89% favorability rating among Republicans now.

00:44:34.920 It has not been that high in years.

00:44:36.840 So, everybody's happy.

00:44:37.880 And then we asked specifically about Pam Bondi and Pete Hezgeff.

00:44:43.080 And to be honest with you, the numbers were so unremarkable that I can't even remember

00:44:47.140 them.

00:44:47.600 It's like their favorability ratings.

00:44:49.520 It was like 35%, 40% not sure.

00:44:52.280 And almost everybody was like, ah, somewhat approved.

00:44:55.520 And like, that's it.

00:44:57.520 You know, they don't know, right?

00:44:59.680 They put Trump in the D.C.

00:45:02.400 Everybody's super happy right now.

00:45:04.300 It's holiday season.

00:45:05.160 And everybody's taking a sigh of relief after the really amped up election season.

00:45:11.220 And I think, you know, you're starting to see Republican right direction shoot up.

00:45:16.300 And Trump's probably going to enter office with, I'm guessing, we haven't started pulling

00:45:21.080 it yet, but I'm guessing job favorability numbers higher than when Biden entered office

00:45:25.720 at 54%.

00:45:27.040 You know, you just brought up a very interesting point that I've seen a trend actually in.

00:45:32.740 If you spoke to a Trump supporter in 2016 or 2020, they can tell you pretty much anything

00:45:38.000 about the administration or who worked there down to the very granular level chief of staff.

00:45:43.520 I mean, someone who doesn't really know about politics in the first Trump administration,

00:45:47.440 they knew who John Kelly was.

00:45:50.200 They knew who Ryan Sprebus was.

00:45:51.260 They knew who Mark Meadows was.

00:45:53.660 This time around, it's sort of interesting.

00:45:55.780 And I think it's probably the new Trump voters.

00:45:58.300 But there's a lot of people.

00:45:59.640 And this probably coincides with your poll of people just saying whatever, you know, with

00:46:04.760 the Hegseth and with the Bondi.

00:46:06.900 People don't really know.

00:46:08.400 I think they voted for Donald Trump and said, it's your job to have.

00:46:11.980 People do the right thing and make us proud.

00:46:16.580 And I think that it's funny you say that because it coincides with what I've been seeing.

00:46:21.380 And I talk to a lot of people.

00:46:23.720 I travel.

00:46:24.620 I just got back from overseas.

00:46:26.080 And part of my trip, I was in Lisbon, Portugal.

00:46:29.480 And, you know, I get these people's take on things.

00:46:33.440 And they were very in tune, a lot of these people with, you know, our election, what happened,

00:46:38.660 some of the people that are involved, you know, I was in Portugal, I was in Morocco and

00:46:43.540 both places I spoke to people.

00:46:45.580 And, you know, I was asking about their immigration issues because we have bad immigration issues,

00:46:49.860 but we're not the only ones.

00:46:51.000 And in Morocco, they have an influx of migrants from Senegal that come up to work.

00:46:56.200 And in Portugal, one of my drivers who's driving me around there says their schools,

00:47:02.140 Mark, and their hospitals can't keep up with the influx.

00:47:05.920 So, you know, you see it across the board.

00:47:08.180 I'm reading on the flight home.

00:47:09.780 I'm reading the Associated Press.

00:47:11.360 Iceland, Mark.

00:47:12.780 Iceland, an island, right, has an influx of migrants.

00:47:16.760 They were getting about 1,000 a month and now they're getting 4,000 a month, Mark.

00:47:20.280 How does an island go from 1,000 to 4,000?

00:47:23.600 You know, we're not to get off a topic there, but I think this time around, people gave Donald

00:47:29.540 Trump the job and they said, go ahead and do the best job you can possibly do.

00:47:33.140 We don't give a damn who you put in there.

00:47:34.860 Just do a good job.

00:47:35.800 Yeah, it's a referendum on the government.

00:47:38.680 I just looked it up.

00:47:39.400 Iceland's population, 400,000.

00:47:41.740 So Iceland is adding 1% to its population every month.

00:47:45.960 That's super sustainable.

00:47:47.340 Like, good job.

00:47:49.240 Like, there's definitely going to be blowback from something like that.

00:47:52.500 But yeah, you're right.

00:47:53.180 You know, thinking back to 2016, I think people trusted the functioning.

00:47:57.580 And I will say, like, the rating of Congress was not high.

00:48:00.960 People didn't like it.

00:48:01.960 But people thought the government functioned because one of the major things is like people

00:48:06.480 wanted to change from Obama, but they thought that the Republicans were going to come in

00:48:10.900 and repeal Obamacare.

00:48:12.640 They thought they were going to get legislation.

00:48:14.960 And that's like, you're right.

00:48:16.140 People were looking at this and saying, well, Trump's an outsider, but what kind of people

00:48:20.220 is he going to pull from the bench?

00:48:21.480 It's like, oh, Jeff Sessions.

00:48:22.680 Oh, that guy has an august career.

00:48:25.360 He's going to be excellent.

00:48:26.840 They got, you know, you're raised.

00:48:28.560 They got the Pompeo's and look what happened.

00:48:31.740 And I think that we asked this in the swing state polling.

00:48:34.300 But to me, this is the number one question that shows you really what's going on.

00:48:38.600 And again, like you could say, well, Kamala Harris is horrible.

00:48:41.740 Everybody hated her.

00:48:42.620 It's like, ah, she had a favorability at 48%.

00:48:45.060 Like, that's actually pretty good.

00:48:47.180 When you think about the next president, how will they govern the country?

00:48:50.920 Which is closer to your opinion, that things should return to business as usual in D.C.

00:48:54.880 or that Washington, D.C. is in need of a major change.

00:48:59.300 And major change wins, like, depending on the state, it was like 75% to 20%.

00:49:03.760 So this was all a referendum on the government.

00:49:06.620 We also asked, do you trust the federal government?

00:49:08.860 Only about 30% of swing state voters said yes.

00:49:11.880 So the government sucks.

00:49:13.360 That's why people voted for change.

00:49:15.520 And it's like, OK, like, check.

00:49:17.160 This person has not spent the last 40 years in D.C.

00:49:21.180 Think of the roster of people they could have picked from for sec death.

00:49:25.440 It could have been anybody.

00:49:26.940 And they picked a Fox News contributor.

00:49:28.600 And again, he's a veteran.

00:49:30.200 But, like, he was picked because they knew he was going to come in and just rip out the woke.

00:49:35.180 And people are happy about that.

00:49:37.060 Hopefully he gets confirmed.

00:49:38.640 You know, it's going to be an issue.

00:49:39.720 And I'm glad to hear and I'm glad to see that Elon Musk is really taking the – I mean, pretty soon it's going to be Elon Musk Trump with how much time he spends around President Trump.

00:49:50.200 And I think it's a good thing for President Trump because there's no doubt that Elon's the smartest, richest man in the world.

00:49:54.920 So who better to hang out with than Elon Musk?

00:49:58.160 But he's got his ear.

00:50:00.260 And Elon's now going to start partaking in elections with this pact that he started and going after some of these rhinos who, you know, do so much destruction.

00:50:09.620 You know, going back to the thing on Iceland, 400,000 – I've been to Iceland many times.

00:50:13.960 For everyone – nobody's ever been there.

00:50:15.420 It's only like a four-and-a-half-hour flight from the East Coast, New York, most beautiful country I've ever been to.

00:50:20.320 But think about how bad your life has to be for you to go to Iceland to seek refuge.

00:50:26.520 They've got a volcano erupting right now.

00:50:28.640 The blaze is cold as hell.

00:50:30.360 Yeah, you're going north of the wall.

00:50:32.560 That's where you're going when you go to Iceland.

00:50:35.520 We're talking with Mark Mitchell, head empochster for Rasmussen.

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00:53:18.820 Mark, I want to turn to something, two things.

00:53:22.120 I want to go back real quick because I was just reading something over the break here.

00:53:26.820 Hunter Biden's pardon that he takes, it now puts an implication for him,

00:53:31.860 as Alan Dershowitz puts it, because he can no longer plead the fifth.

00:53:37.060 Do you think Congressman James Comer, who was seemingly unable to do anything,

00:53:43.820 move the needle on anything, this first term in Congress,

00:53:49.320 where they investigated the Biden family, do you think they let off the Biden crime family,

00:53:54.240 or do you think they finished the job that they started?

00:53:58.920 Yeah, that's a tough one.

00:54:00.320 It's good to hear that that came from Alan Dershowitz.

00:54:02.340 That was one of the big question marks I had about whether that is true,

00:54:06.740 because it seems kind of weird.

00:54:08.480 It's like, oh, you know, because of the technicality,

00:54:10.660 like your fifth amendment, like doesn't.

00:54:12.640 So the fact that that testimony can be compelled is pretty fascinating.

00:54:18.300 I think a lot of people have said, listen, this comes down to 2014 and what happens.

00:54:24.280 And I get the sentiment that, hey, we're forward looking.

00:54:29.220 We're going to be real positive.

00:54:30.420 We're entering the golden age of America.

00:54:31.980 We don't need to go back and uncover this criminality.

00:54:35.720 But let's keep in mind that a strong majority of people thought that Joe Biden was knowingly

00:54:40.940 profiting from our foreign adversaries.

00:54:42.680 They told us that in a poll.

00:54:43.840 That number was like 60 percent.

00:54:45.620 I think it was 61 percent.

00:54:47.020 And we actually had a majority, 52 percent of people to 42 percent support impeachment.

00:54:53.520 So everybody was ready.

00:54:55.320 I mean, a vast majority of Republicans, a majority of independents,

00:54:58.180 even a third of Democrats were like, that's how bad Joe Biden's term got.

00:55:02.000 And it wasn't necessarily Afghanistan.

00:55:04.120 A lot of it was like document gate and all this stuff that was coming out with Burisma.

00:55:08.580 And I think what you're going to see is that this is all the locus of the last 10 years

00:55:13.800 of corruption.

00:55:14.840 I really do think that we're going to find that a proxy war was fought to cover up a

00:55:19.460 massive money laundering schema that implicated dozens of individuals.

00:55:25.060 And I think that's why everybody in D.C. is pushing back quite a bit.

00:55:29.880 And it's also why I don't necessarily think we're out of the woods from I don't think

00:55:34.960 we've seen everything yet.

00:55:37.220 And that's what's crazy to me is look at the FBI and you're hearing news about, oh,

00:55:41.560 there's people top brass at the FBI are calling up the White House and crying.

00:55:45.440 That was reported.

00:55:46.340 I forget who.

00:55:47.420 And you see a wave of resignations.

00:55:50.220 First off, I love to see it.

00:55:51.560 And OK, like, sure.

00:55:53.820 Sean Hannity rank and file.

00:55:55.320 I'm sure there's good ones.

00:55:57.400 But if they're willing to throw out a 20 year government career, resign, they're willing

00:56:03.680 to do other stuff as well, probably.

00:56:06.200 And so there that's why I think the next two or three years, a lot of interesting stuff

00:56:10.840 to pull on.

00:56:11.660 I don't think we've seen sort of the first part of it.

00:56:15.200 Yeah, I'm seeing a poll that's out that the Daily Mail has put out here.

00:56:19.520 More than half the voters say Biden was wrong to pardon his son, Hunter, and that the scandal

00:56:25.020 is just as damaging damning as Watergate.

00:56:27.760 I mean, you know, it's let me see real quickly here.

00:56:32.520 They beat us to the punch.

00:56:34.340 J&L partners, a poll of 840 voters.

00:56:37.720 Yeah, OK, that's legitimate.

00:56:39.240 Yeah, we're going into the field to try and do that, too.

00:56:43.500 I think our questions might be a little different.

00:56:45.080 But, you know, it's just interesting because, you know, Mark, I just sit here every day and

00:56:50.040 I come out here and I do this and I'm getting tired.

00:56:52.040 I'm not getting tired of working.

00:56:53.440 I'm getting tired of it just being business as usual.

00:56:57.240 People do crimes.

00:56:58.640 They get away with it, Mark.

00:56:59.980 They move on and nobody's ever held accountable.

00:57:03.300 I mean, I thought this was going to be the first time we've ever seen anyone held accountable.

00:57:07.920 I think Comer, I mean, I got to know Comer a lot because he was on the show a lot.

00:57:11.900 I got to speak with him a lot.

00:57:12.940 But he strikes me as a guy who wants to get justice, a good man, a good American who saw

00:57:22.120 very bad things going on inside the Biden family.

00:57:25.360 So I don't think he's going to relent.

00:57:27.580 And, you know, because he answers to a lot of Americans.

00:57:32.340 You know, he answers to millions and millions of Americans who watched this process play

00:57:36.120 out, who watched, you know, Joe Biden's finances be put on the table, Hunter Biden's finances

00:57:42.220 be put on the table, Hunter Biden's drug problem be put on the table, Joe Biden knowing about

00:57:47.580 all of these issues, 10% for the big guy.

00:57:50.780 I'll never forget, Mark.

00:57:51.960 And a lot of people don't know the story.

00:57:53.300 I worked at Fox News and talking about a cover up.

00:57:56.300 Tony Bobulinski, another man I got to know very well behind the scenes.

00:58:00.200 Oh, wow.

00:58:01.500 A former Biden, a family associate.

00:58:04.380 Yes.

00:58:04.980 Many times.

00:58:06.240 One of the biggest class acts, Mark, you'd ever get to speak to.

00:58:10.280 One of the first people who texted me when Lou passed away.

00:58:13.860 We find out from Bobulinski that Joe Biden is the 10% for the big guy.

00:58:17.260 He did that press conference where he held up his phone and he put his BlackBerry up.

00:58:21.480 We get an email 10 minutes later from Jackie Heinrich, who's a Fox News reporter.

00:58:26.380 10% for the big guy.

00:58:27.920 Joe Biden is not the big guy.

00:58:30.280 Now, she's not a political journalist.

00:58:34.240 She's not an opinion person.

00:58:35.840 She's not someone who's an investigative journalist.

00:58:38.340 I think she was like the congressional correspondent at the time.

00:58:40.960 Why are you sending out a company-wide email to thousands of people who work at Fox News

00:58:44.640 10 minutes after the email was sent saying Joe Biden is not the big guy?

00:58:48.940 First of all, we didn't know.

00:58:50.040 So I replied back to this email, Mark, and I lay out for her why I believe he is the big guy.

00:58:54.640 She replies back with some BS answer.

00:58:57.520 Turns out she winds up getting promoted.

00:58:59.540 Just a year or so later after the whole thing, Mark, too.

00:59:05.120 I think she's a chief Capitol Hill correspondent or something like that.

00:59:09.880 But winds up getting reported.

00:59:11.460 And it's because, and this goes back to the same thing we were speaking about before,

00:59:15.060 is with the January 6th pardons.

00:59:17.300 The media doesn't want to report on things.

00:59:20.300 And it's the same reason I think this Joe Biden corruption stuff didn't get more traction than

00:59:24.940 it should have.

00:59:26.960 You have a media that is more interested in fostering a relationship with the power structure in

00:59:33.460 D.C.

00:59:33.840 when their job is to hold the power structures accountable.

00:59:38.060 There has been no accountability period whatsoever.

00:59:40.940 I mean, if we had integrity, people would say, oh, man, I messed up or like and would resign.

00:59:45.760 I did my job poorly.

00:59:46.920 And I think what we need to do is, listen, the tone has just not been you come in and fire

00:59:52.700 everybody.

00:59:53.820 And that's what's like quite obviously what has to happen.

00:59:57.080 A lot of people have to get fired.

00:59:58.400 You talk about James Comer, though.

01:00:00.020 Yeah.

01:00:00.200 And it's like, why is it that we have like basically like 30 or 40 congressmen doing the

01:00:04.940 heavy lifting that our federal agency, our law enforcement investigative agency should

01:00:10.820 be doing?

01:00:11.360 Excuse me.

01:00:12.300 Dung twister there.

01:00:13.660 And so that's kind of the hope that I have is that if you get a cash Patel in, I don't

01:00:19.040 know who the CIA director is going to be.

01:00:20.800 Maybe they name a special prosecutor.

01:00:22.580 That's what they should do is they should name three or four special prosecutors, hire

01:00:26.380 them each a thousand lawyers.

01:00:28.300 Right.

01:00:28.840 Make sure there are people of integrity that aren't going to leak.

01:00:32.600 And then ruthlessly clean up their own house.

01:00:37.260 Maybe, you know, listen, if there is it is a cultural thing.

01:00:41.700 The culture in D.C. is that everybody's greases each other's palms and scratches each other's

01:00:46.880 back.

01:00:47.660 If once you get a few people to flip, we could see a massive change in the way business is

01:00:51.760 done down there.

01:00:53.260 I just don't see how we go on.

01:00:54.720 How do you possibly go on?

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01:01:08.220 You know, Mark, how do you explain to other people that doing crimes is OK?

01:01:17.520 Laundering money is OK.

01:01:20.340 Lobbying overseas without being a foreign registered agent is OK if your father is the vice president

01:01:26.300 of the United States.

01:01:28.160 Where's the court of public opinion there?

01:01:30.060 Or just the idea that leadership in general requires you to have standards, right?

01:01:36.300 To set an example for people.

01:01:39.520 And again, people are like looking at the Hezga thing.

01:01:42.420 Listen, I think he's super qualified.

01:01:44.560 I don't know anything about the background.

01:01:46.320 I know some stuff's being taken out of context.

01:01:48.260 But everybody's saying, oh, he's definitely going to get through.

01:01:51.400 And I would say, like, you don't know what's happening behind the scenes.

01:01:54.560 He's got to lead the National Military Command structure, the nuclear launch infrastructure.

01:01:59.340 And there's certain standards that the entire military involved in nuclear weapons has to maintain personal reliability.

01:02:07.960 And you could just see one of these things where it's like, oh, just like Matt Gaetz.

01:02:12.420 Everybody makes mistakes.

01:02:13.820 Donald Trump's made a ton of mistakes, too.

01:02:15.560 But the point is, is that he's out there leading from the front.

01:02:19.760 And that's like, you know, that's not what we're seeing from D.C. at all.

01:02:24.880 There hasn't been any accountability.

01:02:26.880 Everybody's protecting each other.

01:02:28.200 That's why nobody trusts.

01:02:29.460 They think the FBI is Joe Biden's personal Gestapo.

01:02:32.600 That's how far it's gotten.

01:02:34.220 So, I mean, people are clamoring for it.

01:02:36.280 Everything's moving in the right direction.

01:02:38.540 The animal seems to be cornered right now.

01:02:41.340 That's when it's at its most dangerous.

01:02:42.780 And in a month or two, we're going to see what's going to happen.

01:02:44.880 And speaking of the animal, we'll say it's President Trump right now.

01:02:49.380 But no, I mean, you're seeing now, Mark, these blue cities, New York, for example, where I reside, a few miles from your home.

01:02:59.660 We won't say where Mark lives, but, you know, not far from your home seems to be getting the message.

01:03:06.000 Now, I don't know the reason why Kathy Hochul is now coming out saying she's OK to speak with Donald Trump about deporting illegals.

01:03:13.460 And it can't be because President Trump offered to rebuild the subway system in New York City.

01:03:20.000 There's got to be a reason behind it.

01:03:21.600 Mayor Eric Adams, a little bit more explainable why he's behind it.

01:03:25.520 He's got himself some legal troubles, you know, had a little bit too much turkey on Thanksgiving.

01:03:31.420 He finds himself in a little bit of a cranberry.

01:03:35.040 So, you know, it's sort of interesting.

01:03:37.880 But we're seeing now a turning tide.

01:03:40.680 Do you think it's legitimate?

01:03:42.260 Do you think Kathy Hochul is for deporting these illegals and getting them the hell out of New York City?

01:03:49.060 And they say they're starting with the criminals first, in my opinion.

01:03:52.260 By definition, they're all criminals.

01:03:54.520 If you came to this country illegally, you broke the law, you're a criminal.

01:03:57.640 If I get pulled over for speeding, I'm a criminal for speeding.

01:04:01.000 It's just what it is by definition.

01:04:03.160 But do you think these people are legitimate?

01:04:05.040 Do you think the Kathy Hochul and Eric Adams are they mean?

01:04:08.980 Yeah, they've been in so bad faith that you really need to see, like, constant and continuous olive branches, in my opinion.

01:04:16.440 Like, that's what I would expect to see out of these people.

01:04:18.680 And that's great.

01:04:19.220 She's talking about that.

01:04:20.260 The question I have is, and I don't know, you might.

01:04:22.500 Like, to what extent have sanctuary cities been codified into New York laws?

01:04:28.060 It's state laws.

01:04:29.000 It's something just in the Manhattan area.

01:04:31.320 But it's like what she should be talking about is working with the legislature to overturn that stuff or get it in front of a court, right?

01:04:38.580 That's great you want to participate with Donald Trump, but let's not, like, lose sight of the fact that it's a problem of their own making.

01:04:48.180 Everybody was rushing to virtue signal and create these sanctuary cities, and they made a huge mess.

01:04:53.820 And so Eric Adams, like, same situation.

01:04:56.260 I don't think he was ever really involved in this.

01:04:58.260 I think he was just kind of caught in the whirlwind.

01:05:01.080 But, yeah, we should see a lot more of those.

01:05:03.020 To be honest with you, I haven't seen too many olive branches out of the left right now.

01:05:06.560 They're kind of licking their wounds on MSNBC.

01:05:09.240 I think probably the biggest one I saw really is the fact that Scott Jennings is on the L.A. Times editorial board.

01:05:14.820 Like, what else?

01:05:15.640 Like, what else is really out there?

01:05:18.260 There hasn't been a ton.

01:05:19.620 Mika and Joe went down to Mar-a-Lago.

01:05:22.500 I don't think that's knowledge.

01:05:23.420 What did Ted Cruz say they went down there for?

01:05:25.760 We all know what they went down there for.

01:05:28.680 Don't need to be quiet by mentioning it on the air.

01:05:32.860 Ted Cruz said it wasn't to just kiss the ring.

01:05:35.760 It was to kiss something else, which is sort of funny from Ted Cruz, because Ted Cruz, I've met him many times, is not a man of much humor.

01:05:43.580 He's a very serious fellow.

01:05:45.100 So for Ted to come out and say it really made me laugh.

01:05:48.980 Going back to the sanctuary city, I mean, you know, the particulars of it, some city councils across the nation passed it.

01:05:56.540 Other places, it was government declaring it, which doesn't really make much sense, Mark, because immigration is a federal issue, not a state issue.

01:06:06.120 So you can't just come to New York and say, you know, I'm a member of New York or I'm a citizen of New York because it doesn't work like that.

01:06:15.920 It's a federal issue.

01:06:16.720 So I think in itself, which brings up the point was, I don't know why it hasn't gone to the Supreme Court, how you have states pretty much declaring themselves countries.

01:06:25.460 If that's the case, that's fine.

01:06:26.940 Well, you can go ahead and secede and get no government funding.

01:06:30.120 But I don't I'm not sure how it got to that point in the first place and how it's not been kicked up the Supreme Court yet, like we saw DACA.

01:06:39.220 But speaking of states, yeah, President Trump, speaking of a man who came down to kiss the ring, Justin Trudeau came down to play the sausage at Mar-a-Lago and came to kiss the ring for President Trump.

01:06:52.380 And President Trump apparently made a joke and told him, you know, if you think you're going to make billions of dollars a year from us by ripping us off, why don't you become part of America, be the 51st state and be a governor?

01:07:04.080 And we see the mainstream media picked up on it like crazy.

01:07:07.760 Donald Trump's got dementia.

01:07:09.520 He wants he wants Canada to become the 51st state.

01:07:13.180 What about Puerto Rico?

01:07:15.520 I mean, it's unbelievable that it's already starting.

01:07:18.540 It's like the Greenland thing when President Trump said he wanted to buy Greenland and he wasn't the first president to go out and say it.

01:07:25.620 But, you know, he caught a little flack for it off the beginning.

01:07:28.120 And then people were like, you know, kind of makes sense if we were to buy Greenland.

01:07:31.640 And you sort of have people coming around.

01:07:33.480 But, you know, we talk about the media often on the show.

01:07:37.800 I think it's brilliant leadership, to be honest with you.

01:07:40.280 Everybody says, oh, I hate the stuff Trump tweets.

01:07:42.480 Maybe he shouldn't have said that thing about Rosie O'Donnell.

01:07:44.980 But what he is doing is signaling to people what his culture and following is.

01:07:51.840 It's hard to really explain that.

01:07:53.540 But if you look, in my opinion, at Rod Nassanis.

01:07:56.280 OK, that's great.

01:07:57.060 He's probably a really great governor of Florida.

01:07:58.940 I don't know how hard that is.

01:08:00.460 But a lot of people like him and said he's done great stuff.

01:08:02.900 But he ran for president.

01:08:04.080 He built a following.

01:08:05.520 And in my opinion, the people that are the front of his following, the influencers that support him on Twitter, are very toxic.

01:08:12.300 And that's a problem.

01:08:13.420 It, I think, hurt him.

01:08:15.980 And so you say, oh, it's his followers.

01:08:17.600 It's not him.

01:08:18.080 And it's like, well, Trump is really great at signaling to his followers what his, like, mental space is.

01:08:25.800 And to be honest with you, when I saw that, I was like, this is 2016 Trump.

01:08:29.580 Like, he's got to get back on Twitter and start saying this stuff.

01:08:32.660 It's like the boomer posts with the, like, wall of caps.

01:08:35.720 Like, that's great.

01:08:36.440 But this is what Trump built his following and built MAGA on.

01:08:40.820 It's like, like, no, they don't deserve our respect.

01:08:44.920 Canada has really screwed up managing itself.

01:08:48.120 They should be ridiculed.

01:08:49.560 And we are a better country than them, objectively.

01:08:52.400 And so, yeah, it's on the table in a joke form.

01:08:56.760 It's like, how much is conveyed by that?

01:08:59.140 I love it.

01:09:00.380 Yeah.

01:09:01.120 You mentioned Rosie O'Donnell.

01:09:02.620 And I didn't realize what Trump said.

01:09:04.420 And I remember back to 2016, which, you know, it was, Rosie O'Donnell has been a frickin' Donald Trump's side.

01:09:10.520 So, you know, if you notice something about President Trump, he never goes out, or I shouldn't say never, but very rarely goes out and attacks somebody who hasn't hit him first.

01:09:21.980 Exactly.

01:09:22.860 And as soon as they stop, he's done.

01:09:24.780 Exactly.

01:09:25.640 And if you want proof of it, you go look at those 16 people who were on the stage in 2016.

01:09:29.860 One person decided to keep going on, and Donald Trump continued to go along with it, too, and that was Chris Christie.

01:09:36.880 And, I mean, he's made a laughingstock of Chris Christie.

01:09:39.380 Nobody takes Chris Christie seriously.

01:09:41.200 You look at his poll numbers.

01:09:42.180 You look at his favorability numbers across the board, and he's just a loser.

01:09:45.860 You know, he's a total loser with Trump derangement syndrome.

01:09:48.500 You mentioned Rosie O'Donnell, so I've got to tell the audience.

01:09:51.580 Rosie O'Donnell's daughter has been arrested for a third time on drug-related issues.

01:09:56.160 She's got a kid at home.

01:09:57.940 Great mother Rosie O'Donnell is raising that kid.

01:10:02.100 It's all about the discipline, folks.

01:10:03.960 Get him early.

01:10:04.500 That's the thing.

01:10:05.340 It's like the juxtaposition of Trumpian normal leadership versus what we've come to see as political leadership, which is really something entirely different.

01:10:17.640 In D.C., if you run afoul of somebody, you've created a lifelong vendetta, and they will do anything to rip you down.

01:10:24.740 Like a lot of politicians I've heard have been like that.

01:10:28.360 That's insane.

01:10:29.700 That is antisocial and not conducive to the governing of our country.

01:10:35.800 But it's like, well, if you have – coming from a place of Christianity and being a father, it's like if your child does something wrong, you don't hate them.

01:10:45.420 You put them on the step until they say they're sorry, and then they get off the step.

01:10:48.920 And if you raise your kids like that, that's leadership, though.

01:10:51.800 I learned a lot about leadership from raising my kids.

01:10:54.160 If you can parent toddlers, you can like manage a team of Zoomers.

01:10:58.700 It's like, oh, you did something wrong.

01:11:00.400 I'm not happy with you right now.

01:11:01.920 Fix it.

01:11:02.480 Oh, okay, great.

01:11:04.280 You've just improved.

01:11:05.920 Our team's gotten stronger.

01:11:07.960 And that's what he's doing.

01:11:09.400 And all the pearl clutching about it, they just don't understand.

01:11:12.840 It's like, no, they expect them to be at each other's throats.

01:11:16.040 Totally divisive political environment.

01:11:19.160 It's funny you mention the step and saying sorry.

01:11:22.620 I guess that makes sense why I was constantly on the steps as a kid and never –

01:11:26.120 No, man.

01:11:26.960 Oh, man.

01:11:28.140 You know, we did something wrong.

01:11:29.880 My dad would make us go kneel in the corner, you know, until usually my mom got home.

01:11:34.440 And she'd say, get out of there.

01:11:36.200 What are you doing?

01:11:37.060 But, you know, it made us – and I talk about this often on the show.

01:11:39.880 It made us who we are, which is why you didn't see guys, you know, back in the day going into the military and becoming trainees.

01:11:47.660 You know, it was why you didn't see – when I went to school, Mark, there was – I'll be 31 in a few months.

01:11:54.880 It wasn't that long ago.

01:11:55.980 It seems like it was a long time.

01:11:57.340 But when I went to school, we didn't have any kids in our school with purple hair, with blue hair.

01:12:03.720 We didn't have any – I went to an old boy Catholic school.

01:12:06.580 Well, there you go.

01:12:07.180 That's why.

01:12:07.700 I'm pretty sure goth was a thing when you were going to school, wasn't it?

01:12:11.680 No?

01:12:12.380 What's that?

01:12:13.440 Wasn't goth a thing when you were going to school?

01:12:15.720 Yeah.

01:12:15.920 Maybe that was between us.

01:12:17.160 I don't know.

01:12:17.780 It was a little bit.

01:12:19.640 I did spend some time in the public school system by no choice of my own.

01:12:23.840 I was – you know, I was asked to leave a few schools and, you know, asked to not come back.

01:12:30.140 I had a little bit too much fun when I was a kid.

01:12:33.920 You couldn't imagine.

01:12:34.660 You didn't spend enough time on this step.

01:12:36.680 Oh, I spent enough time.

01:12:38.140 And every time I spent time on the steps, Mark, it angered me to go back to school the next day and do what I did times two.

01:12:43.960 And, you know, I bought a few toilets and I, you know, all the typical boy things you do as a kid.

01:12:50.100 But, you know, it made me who I am.

01:12:51.780 And if I went to go back and do it all again, I would do it again.

01:12:53.880 But, you know, we went to school with the kids who were a little strange.

01:12:57.520 But, you know, nonetheless, they assimilated to their groups and they were fine.

01:13:01.460 You went to school with kids who you said, oh, that kid's maybe going to be gay one day.

01:13:05.700 Turns out to be, you know, what it was.

01:13:08.320 But, right, everyone assimilated with – but everyone assimilated and everyone got along.

01:13:12.940 And it was normal.

01:13:14.560 The straight kids were friends with the kids who you thought were maybe going to be gay one day.

01:13:18.020 Or the goth kids who were, you know, emo or, you know, painted their nails black and put their hair along.

01:13:23.940 You know, everyone got along.

01:13:24.740 But now it's become so divisive where you've got these transgenders and these freaks who want to be different than everybody else.

01:13:32.980 And there's no assimilation unless you kiss – you bow down and kiss the ring.

01:13:37.220 And we've become the new minority straight.

01:13:40.120 Lou said this to me one time.

01:13:41.340 He said, you know, listen, you're going to have a very tough time in this business.

01:13:44.140 He sat me down when I first hired him.

01:13:45.660 He said, you're a straight white male.

01:13:47.500 He said, you're going to have a very tough time going into a business like this the way it is right now.

01:13:53.900 And, I mean, he told me the absolute truth.

01:13:56.380 I've had nothing but headwinds and uphills.

01:13:58.480 But it's all been worth it for me this far.

01:14:00.620 But just to see the way that we've come, Mark, we are now in the minority, you and I.

01:14:06.800 Yeah, this is actually something we've pulled on.

01:14:11.020 And this is a really tough and strange topic.

01:14:13.640 And I know it's got a lot of, like, loaded feelings about it.

01:14:16.180 But I still think that there is a core America, not necessarily saying there should be one.

01:14:25.940 We're a melting pot, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:14:28.100 But just to give you some examples, 72% of adult Americans think that Jesus Christ is the son of God who was sent to earth to save our sins.

01:14:36.440 So we still have our Judeo-Christian roots, okay?

01:14:39.520 64% think that they should have more focus on Jesus and only 14% on Santa as far as Christmas.

01:14:47.540 Then we also had a massive number.

01:14:49.980 I think 80% want English to be the official language, including a majority of Hispanic voters.

01:14:55.060 I'm pretty sure that was a number as well.

01:14:59.260 And so there is this idea of, like, normal America still, a lot of them.

01:15:03.980 And that doesn't mean you can't be an immigrant or from a different walk of life.

01:15:07.140 I'm just saying that there is that culture, the American culture.

01:15:12.080 But then what also is kind of weird, it's like they've taken some of our ways of assimilating people into that culture away from us.

01:15:21.240 And this is specifically about bullying, which you talked about.

01:15:24.800 And I was bullied some, too, but it's nothing like, you know, bullying back when I was a kid.

01:15:29.380 I didn't get my hands on you.

01:15:31.360 Yeah.

01:15:31.560 Well, so I'm a zennial.

01:15:33.600 I guess you're, like, a core millennial, right?

01:15:35.960 Yeah.

01:15:36.380 So kind of the same, but you guys didn't have dodgeball and you had more TV.

01:15:41.840 But back when we were kids, like, bullying was like, hey, no, you're being a schmuck.

01:15:45.820 Like, don't do that.

01:15:46.680 And then it's like, oh, like, ultimately the kid gets the message and, you know, acts normal or doesn't.

01:15:51.540 It's like the kid that makes up too many rules on the playground.

01:15:53.780 Yeah, you're going to get picked on.

01:15:54.920 And it's like, don't do that.

01:15:56.340 Oh, okay.

01:15:56.900 But now it's like, no, we're going to use Snapchat and go scorched earth on you and burn you to the ground.

01:16:04.020 That's the problem.

01:16:05.240 And that was created by getting bullying out of school.

01:16:09.260 They made it worse.

01:16:10.440 You're exactly right.

01:16:11.300 I don't know how to measure that, but that's the problem.

01:16:14.080 You are exactly 100% right.

01:16:15.860 And it comes down to now everything's on Snapchat.

01:16:19.020 Now everything's on Instagram.

01:16:20.240 When we were in school, Mark, you'd get into a fight.

01:16:22.600 You'd get a black guy.

01:16:23.440 You'd come to school the next day.

01:16:24.460 Luckily, I was never the one getting the black guys I was giving them.

01:16:28.660 But, you know, you come to school.

01:16:31.100 You get made fun of for a day.

01:16:32.360 And then the next day, it was all over.

01:16:34.020 And you guys were probably friends again at each other's houses for dinner.

01:16:37.380 Yeah, because you'd go over to people's houses.

01:16:39.420 That was the other thing, right?

01:16:40.940 It's like, oh, yeah, everybody knew each other's landline.

01:16:43.760 And you went over to people's houses.

01:16:46.260 Like, that's a really massive problem.

01:16:48.040 And then, well, the other thing is you talked about normalcy.

01:16:50.240 The other thing is all of the on-ramps, the unmoderated on-ramps that exist on places like Reddit, who, in my opinion, have been maliciously weaponized against children in a way that nobody is looking at.

01:17:09.260 I mean, Reddit's like, what, the fifth or sixth biggest website in the U.S.?

01:17:12.900 It has all of these anonymous super moderators, very little parental controls, in my opinion.

01:17:19.980 And these people are getting – it's like, oh, well, I get picked on in school in a way where I don't feel like I can fit in.

01:17:26.460 The whole point of picking on people was to get them to fit in 30 years ago, right?

01:17:30.760 Oh, so I'm going to turn to r slash whatever, and all of a sudden, you know, I'm going to furry conventions.

01:17:36.900 Like, that's – like, tell me I'm wrong.

01:17:41.460 Mark, you know, I look at it now, and I was joking.

01:17:44.740 My aunt is a teacher, and she was explaining to me, and she's a teacher in a Catholic school here in New York.

01:17:50.420 And she was explaining to me about her students and furries, and I had never heard it.

01:17:53.940 And I'm dying laughing.

01:17:55.020 She's making a joke out of it, and she's not one to joke.

01:17:57.600 You're a millennial.

01:17:58.200 How do you not know what a furry is?

01:18:00.100 Because I think I have a little bit higher level of intellect, I'd like to think, than some of these furries, so-called furries.

01:18:05.340 But, you know, actually, I learned who a furry was from Alex Stein, the comedian.

01:18:09.160 Okay.

01:18:09.700 Yeah, that's a valid place to learn something like that.

01:18:11.880 Yeah.

01:18:12.360 But, you know, I sit there, and I'm talking about – we're at dinner, a Christmas dinner or something, and I joke with my parents.

01:18:18.040 And I go, you know, can you imagine the crap that I used to do?

01:18:20.980 If this was around when I was a kid, I would go to school dressed as a damn raccoon and be lifting my leg on everything.

01:18:26.820 You can't do anything about it, you know, because that's the – I've got a class kind of – but you know what the problem is, is that parents normalize this behavior.

01:18:34.480 If I told my dad I wanted to be a furry, first of all, he'd ask me what a furry was, and then when I'd finish telling him what I was a furry, man, I'd get the biggest smack mark that I've ever gotten in my life.

01:18:43.840 Yeah, this is a documented thing.

01:18:46.400 We're talking about modern-day Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

01:18:49.500 Parents are victim signalers and friends of their child and not parents.

01:18:54.340 Right.

01:18:54.600 Back in the day, if you got bullied and someone took something from you on the playground or, you know, hit you or something, your parents would tell you, go back to school, and you smack the piss out of them tomorrow.

01:19:03.740 Like, you know, some people watching the show will say, you're engaging in violence.

01:19:07.700 No, it's what it was, you know.

01:19:10.260 I'm still here today, and like I said, I've gotten in more than enough fights that can last a lifetime for me and my kids that I have one day.

01:19:17.820 But, you know, it made me who I was.

01:19:19.560 It made me who I am today, you know, getting beat up, beating up people, playing football, playing sports, fighting fellow members on the football team at football camp, beating the piss out of each other.

01:19:29.720 You make it sound like a horror story.

01:19:31.260 I grew up in a great summer.

01:19:32.680 I love it.

01:19:33.540 Well, you know, it's like we had an amazing childhood.

01:19:36.800 It was just like, yeah, your hand wasn't held in certain situations.

01:19:40.820 You learn personal responsibility and consequences for your stupid actions.

01:19:45.140 Right.

01:19:45.480 We talked about furry, so I had to hop over to Blue Sky quick just to see.

01:19:52.100 What is Blue Sky?

01:19:53.480 Is that the new Twitter?

01:19:54.760 Oh, how do you not?

01:19:55.500 Yes.

01:19:56.020 It's the new.

01:19:56.820 Is that Mark Elias's?

01:19:57.980 No, it's the new Twitter.

01:20:00.460 Jack Dorsey founded it.

01:20:02.020 I think he left because he saw it repeating the same mistakes.

01:20:05.380 He built it on an open infrastructure and the mistakes are basically it's all the people who would issue you, you know, a hall pass like the hall monitors from Twitter have fled.

01:20:16.820 So Mark Elias is one of them.

01:20:18.240 But there is somebody that showed apparently all these people went over there after the election.

01:20:23.320 And it's a really strange place.

01:20:24.780 It's people virtue signaling to each other, nature photos, and then just a ton of like furry content.

01:20:30.980 I'm not kidding.

01:20:31.560 It really like that's where they all went.

01:20:33.640 But what was wild is somebody showed that within like a week that basically their reporting infrastructure was overwhelmed by all the people who were like reporting folks for wrong think.

01:20:44.600 Like, it's really wild.

01:20:47.980 Simon Godek has an image.

01:20:50.160 He went over there and is trying to be intolerant to people and say, like, no, like a woman has an X chromosome, right?

01:20:57.800 And they tag his entire account as intolerant and every tweet is like it says intolerant and you have to like open up to go in and see what he says.

01:21:08.560 So they literally like they put a scarlet letter on you.

01:21:11.740 If you step out of line over on Blue Sky, it's incredible.

01:21:15.740 If I had more time on my wish, I found out about this next week.

01:21:19.200 Last week, I had hours to spend on an airplane.

01:21:21.720 I'd be over there making people cry.

01:21:23.660 I mean, it's just so pathetic.

01:21:24.780 I mean, how did we get to you have how many you have a few kids, Mark, right?

01:21:29.020 Yeah.

01:21:29.820 Daughters, right?

01:21:30.660 Or no, I have three boys and a daughter.

01:21:32.880 Yeah, there you go.

01:21:33.860 Excellent.

01:21:34.540 I mean, it's it's you know, I pray to God you're raising in the right way.

01:21:39.720 And I knowing you, I think you probably are.

01:21:42.120 But, you know, it's sad to think that you can't yell at your kids these days.

01:21:46.000 If they call the cops at you for yelling at them, you'll get arrested because you have to be arrested if you're called for some sort of can't yell in the parking lot.

01:21:52.640 Then you get a visit from Diffus.

01:21:54.200 No, you know, we if we were Mark, if we were in public and we were doing something wrong, you'd either get a step on the foot from my dad or you get a knuckle like that to the back of that.

01:22:03.240 It's not hard, but you do that now.

01:22:05.680 You're on your way out of the damn diner in handcuffs.

01:22:08.880 Yeah, I just it's my well.

01:22:12.140 If you want to see safe spaces, everybody should go check out Blue Sky.

01:22:15.460 I just went over there and the very first tweet that pops up is Taylor Lorenz.

01:22:20.120 We cannot continue to participate in the social network feed of a man who proclaims the death of the media and therefore journalists.

01:22:27.920 So just saying that, oh, now Twitter is the media.

01:22:31.120 Oh, we're proclaiming the death of journalists.

01:22:33.960 X is a platform that no longer serves a public interest at all, but a special ideological and financial interests of its owner and his political allies.

01:22:42.280 Thirty one thousand likes like that.

01:22:44.120 That's what's does anybody realize how much money Elon Musk has lost on buying Twitter?

01:22:50.880 Yeah, right.

01:22:52.040 Oh, yeah.

01:22:52.740 But he gained it back in Dogecoin the day that Trump got whatever, you know, like whatever they're saying.

01:22:57.940 You can't make it like the two.

01:22:59.340 It's one business and the other business.

01:23:01.040 You know, I mean, oh, my God, these people are.

01:23:04.160 I think Elon's going to do all right, though.

01:23:06.400 He's he's doing just fine.

01:23:07.920 I hope Elon Musk doubles and triples his net worth because, you know, what's going to happen to these blue haired freaks?

01:23:13.640 These people who hate capitalism, they're going to their minds are going to explode.

01:23:18.280 The Rosie O'Donnell's, the Joy Behar's, the Whoopi Goldberg's, the Mark Elias.

01:23:24.480 When you mentioned Blue Sky, I saw Mark Elias on Twitter.

01:23:27.960 And what I've been told from confidence of his is he's running out of money.

01:23:31.400 And he was selling like a seventeen hundred dollar package on Blue Sky.

01:23:36.920 Now, I don't know what the hell kind of snake oil.

01:23:39.040 Oh, the left in their starter packs.

01:23:41.520 Yeah, what is that?

01:23:42.260 It was so it's like, oh, if you want to come and assimilate into the hive mind, we can help you get started.

01:23:48.880 Here's all the people you should be following.

01:23:50.520 And all you have to do is click a button.

01:23:52.100 I think that's what that is.

01:23:54.080 You know, I remember seeing so many hilarious left starter packs like the one like the Redditor going to Ukraine starter pack of which I will not name the contents.

01:24:04.620 But, yeah, that's crazy that he's lost his money.

01:24:08.400 It's, you know, I guess the campaign season's over and we'll see what happens.

01:24:13.360 I would love to see some of those financial strings being pulled.

01:24:18.200 I'm pretty sure there was some stunning news about Act Blue just in the last day or two that might be massive.

01:24:25.240 Care to elaborate?

01:24:28.840 Yeah, I'm trying to remember the details.

01:24:30.580 I'm pretty sure that they just got a subpoena in judicial proceedings that are going to allow investigations.

01:24:38.320 I think they got discovery into cases where individuals donated money that may not have come from them.

01:24:46.780 Let me try and pull it.

01:24:47.480 Oh, it's also known as straw donors.

01:24:50.340 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:50.720 Oh, exactly.

01:24:51.440 The Smurfs.

01:24:52.620 Yeah.

01:24:54.440 Eric Adams.

01:24:55.400 We should give him a call and see if he'd be interesting and tell us how you do a straw donor.

01:24:59.580 It's very common in politics.

01:25:01.900 I'm not going to say I've ever seen anyone do it because I haven't, but I'm sure it happens more times than not.

01:25:05.920 You can go on a website and, you know, buy something from a political campaign and that constitutes making a donation.

01:25:14.120 So, well, I think this is like this is how the Democrats have surpassed everybody in small dollar donations.

01:25:20.620 They're farming hundreds of thousands through dark money political action committees through like people who live in Kentucky trailer parks.

01:25:30.740 I'm not making this up.

01:25:32.420 You saw the video, right?

01:25:33.440 James O'Keefe.

01:25:34.180 James O'Keefe.

01:25:34.800 Yeah.

01:25:35.100 Yeah.

01:25:35.300 He went and visited these people.

01:25:36.920 Oh, I didn't know.

01:25:37.540 He didn't know.

01:25:38.740 Yeah.

01:25:39.460 He was going to have 360,000.

01:25:41.720 How did that possibly come from me?

01:25:43.120 Yeah.

01:25:43.520 Right.

01:25:44.840 It's all for everyone who didn't see it.

01:25:47.180 You can go on.

01:25:48.080 I think it's O'Keefe media dot com or omg media dot com.

01:25:52.240 James O'Keefe went out and did a man on the street and he investigated this act blue, which is the Democrats armed to fundraise and went to these people's houses and asked them, you know, did you make a 150 donor?

01:26:04.340 And it was very erratic donations, Mark.

01:26:06.200 It was like three or four a month.

01:26:08.040 And the next month there was 10.

01:26:09.280 Then it was one, which, you know, people aren't doing.

01:26:13.520 I mean, the normal person is not doing.

01:26:16.160 Well, they go to people and it's like, oh, 1500 over the last two years.

01:26:19.960 Separate donations.

01:26:21.280 Right.

01:26:21.480 Like, and these are people, you may say $1,500 over the course of two months.

01:26:25.500 It's not a lot of money.

01:26:27.280 But, you know, I talk to a lot of people and that's a lot of money for some people who are on fixed income, Mark, who, you know, have a house that's paid off and or not paid off.

01:26:37.000 And they're paying a mortgage or people who are on Social Security who didn't make a lot of money in their life who are getting $1,500 a month to live off of living in the Midwest, even whatever.

01:26:48.360 You know, you still got to pay to live.

01:26:50.040 So, you know, 100 bucks a month is a lot of money for some people.

01:26:53.220 $50 a month is a lot of money for some people.

01:26:56.900 So, yeah.

01:26:57.680 Like he was like some of these.

01:26:59.280 I'm not being histrionic.

01:27:00.640 It was like, oh, one bedroom house in the middle of rural area.

01:27:04.500 Oh, 150,000 to the Democrats.

01:27:06.860 Right.

01:27:07.900 Yeah.

01:27:09.200 I'm trying to find it.

01:27:10.260 I think I thought I thought I saw an Elon Musk retweet about it, but I can't find it now.

01:27:15.940 I'm seeing I'm looking through.

01:27:17.360 I see Charles Barkley floats a run for president with Mark Cuban.

01:27:20.340 Mark Cuban.

01:27:22.040 How did I miss this?

01:27:23.380 Mark Cuban.

01:27:25.180 I met Mark Cuban and people on the show may have heard me say this story before.

01:27:29.480 You may have even heard me say this story before.

01:27:31.780 But I met Mark Cuban in Orlando, Florida.

01:27:33.500 I was a DJ when I was in college.

01:27:35.120 He was outside of a nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

01:27:37.460 And I still have the video of it because I tried to give it to TMZ some years ago.

01:27:41.220 They didn't want it.

01:27:42.780 But Mark Cuban was in town.

01:27:44.480 This team was playing the Orlando Magic.

01:27:46.360 The Dallas Mavs were playing the Magic.

01:27:48.460 And Mark Cuban's in town.

01:27:50.640 And he's with two women outside the nightclub all over them.

01:27:53.100 And now I didn't know if he was married or not.

01:27:55.020 So I Google Mark Cuban's wife.

01:27:56.700 I realized the two women he's with that he's all over and not his wife.

01:27:59.420 So I asked Mark politely.

01:28:00.860 I said, Mark, I said, Mark, you mind taking a picture of me?

01:28:03.320 He's like he was all over the place drunk.

01:28:05.500 I said, get the F out of here and slaps my phone out of my hand.

01:28:08.600 I said, you picked the wrong person to do that to, Mr. Mark Cuban.

01:28:12.200 So as I'm arguing with Mark Cuban, there's a guy on a bicycle who's trying to give him a ride in the back.

01:28:17.340 I was no idea.

01:28:18.020 He's Mark Cuban.

01:28:18.840 And Mark's yelling at me.

01:28:20.100 He's talking to these two women.

01:28:21.500 Slaps my phone out of my hand.

01:28:22.800 And now I tell everybody, hey, everybody, it's Mark Cuban.

01:28:25.800 And everyone came to Swaro.

01:28:27.680 So I start following Mark.

01:28:29.140 I was doing James O'Keefe before James O'Keefe was.

01:28:31.260 That's great.

01:28:31.780 And he's trying to grab my phone.

01:28:34.580 And I'm going, oh, please hit me.

01:28:35.880 Please, please, please, please, please.

01:28:37.640 And these two women are pulling to the light.

01:28:39.480 And then I think I concluded the video.

01:28:41.260 Mark Cuban cheats on his wife.

01:28:43.000 I got to go back and find it.

01:28:44.200 I know I still have it somewhere.

01:28:45.620 But I was with a bunch of my friends who still talk about it to this day.

01:28:48.820 Oh, man.

01:28:49.540 You might get a text out of this after this video.

01:28:52.640 He's not a good.

01:28:53.420 He's not.

01:28:53.940 He plays it off like he's this good person.

01:28:55.880 He's this philanthropist.

01:28:57.360 But deep down, he's a very flawed man.

01:28:59.220 He's an evil man, Rosie O'Donnell, in fact, in the flesh, you know, both physical appearance, mentality, brains.

01:29:11.320 But I think these people, to put a point to it, have fallen off after this election.

01:29:18.580 We saw Mark Cuban tweet out on election night, you know, Godspeed to Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

01:29:24.420 Congrats.

01:29:24.780 You guys won.

01:29:26.080 I don't think people are going to take them seriously anymore.

01:29:28.180 Mark Cuban goes out and deletes all his tweets.

01:29:30.720 Yeah, that was wild.

01:29:32.060 I mean, Mark, do we, like, not have screenshots?

01:29:36.300 Like, do we not know that you were the biggest shill in the world for Kamala Harris?

01:29:41.560 Like, what the hell?

01:29:43.780 Yeah, like, that's the weird one to me where it's like, hey, all logic has been abandoned.

01:29:48.380 You've proven that there's really no, like, moral core to the choices.

01:29:53.620 And that's the thing.

01:29:55.360 It's like, yeah, I believe in forgiveness.

01:29:57.980 I think that people make mistakes and they should absolutely be welcomed into the big tent that is America's future.

01:30:05.420 Because let's be real, whether it's Trump or not, it's the president of the United States who's attempting to overhaul the government in a way that's better for taxpayers and the middle class.

01:30:14.620 If you can't get aboard with that, it's reasonable to think it maybe you're trying to prevent yourself from being arrested or you have financial interests that are counter to the vast majority of Americans.

01:30:26.220 And so acknowledge that we may think that about you.

01:30:29.000 And then the other thing, it's like, okay, again, I would love to see these people welcomed in, but there's certain things that you can't fix about yourself.

01:30:37.740 And it's like, well, if you have no moral compass and don't think rationally about the decisions you make, like, again, you know, benefit of the doubt.

01:30:49.080 But over time, it's like, how's that going to play out?

01:30:51.900 Yeah.

01:30:52.180 You know, I don't, to your point, I don't hate Democrats.

01:30:55.140 I don't hate Democrats.

01:30:56.340 I think you're idiots.

01:30:57.180 I'm just going to put it very nicely.

01:30:59.440 You're very stupid.

01:31:00.420 Really bad choices.

01:31:01.320 Yeah.

01:31:01.540 Right.

01:31:02.020 Especially after this election, Mark, what we saw happen in this, not even the election, the lead up to the election, the Democrats showed their true colors.

01:31:10.080 And it started in 2020 when Joe Biden went on air and disrespected every single black person in this country by saying, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black, man.

01:31:19.780 Or the many other things that he said in his past.

01:31:23.020 So you're a black voter for him to disenfranchise you.

01:31:25.640 If you're a Jew, what he's, how he's handled Israel, pretty much telling your people, go to hell, fend for yourself.

01:31:32.000 We see the book he was reading over Thanksgiving weekend about Palestine sovereignty.

01:31:35.960 So I think we all know what he, you know, where his thoughts are on that situation.

01:31:41.540 You can go down the list, Mark, you can go to the grocery store and you can see what he did to food prices.

01:31:47.740 You can go to the gas station and see what he did to gas prices.

01:31:50.620 You could send your child to school and see a kid walking around with a tail in because he's a furry and a litter box in the back of the classroom.

01:31:57.420 You can go down the list.

01:32:00.240 You can walk down 42nd Street in Manhattan and maybe be stabbed by a Venezuelan Trendaigua migrant.

01:32:05.800 Yeah.

01:32:06.200 Oh, my daughter can't compete in sports anymore.

01:32:08.700 Yeah.

01:32:08.980 Because she's got a dude who's in a locker room with her.

01:32:11.300 I mean, you can go down the list.

01:32:12.980 So that's when I say I don't hate Democrats.

01:32:14.980 I don't hate anybody, but not even Mark Cuban.

01:32:17.820 You know, I don't have it in me to hate anybody, but, you know, I just think you're stupid.

01:32:23.780 I think you're actually genuinely dumb if you can support the ideologies and destruction.

01:32:32.320 And like I said, it's not something – this isn't my opinion, Mark.

01:32:35.160 This is something that we've lived now for the last four years.

01:32:40.060 You know, it's not my opinion.

01:32:41.640 We've lived it.

01:32:42.540 And if you can still support this kind of behavior, you can support these kind of ideologies, you're an idiot.

01:32:51.820 The first college in the world was founded by Plato on the idea that people can have a discourse about something and reach a mutual truth about what reality is, right?

01:33:02.840 That's the foundation of Western thought on which our country was built.

01:33:07.060 And it's something that our colleges have completely abandoned and a large portion of our population as well.

01:33:14.060 It makes it really hard to debate these people and try and convince them they're wrong.

01:33:18.840 And I think one of the things you're seeing is that there are a lot of people that either think selfishly or are weak-minded or are seeking social cohesion.

01:33:27.180 And they used to rule Twitter, and it was kind of gross.

01:33:30.940 And now they realize they aren't.

01:33:33.840 And so to maintain that social cohesion, I think what they're trying to do is balkanize so that they can still feel like they're the majority and maintain –

01:33:41.660 because I think among that mindset, you draw moral authority from the fact that you are the majority.

01:33:48.660 And so it's like if I go to Blue Sky, I might be able to convince myself that I'm still right here by avoiding engaging with the people who have just won the election.

01:33:57.720 And I think that's really dangerous.

01:34:00.420 And unfortunately, I would love them back.

01:34:02.340 Unfortunately, they can't – a lot of them – I'm painting with such a broad brush here.

01:34:07.140 A lot of them can't be reasoned with, which is why what we're left with is just making fun of them.

01:34:11.620 At a certain point, like ridicule, it's like the bullying.

01:34:16.180 It's like, no, you're wrong.

01:34:17.360 I'm trying to convince you you're wrong, and this is all I'm left with, right?

01:34:21.640 Like I follow Joe Walsh because I think he's a clown.

01:34:25.180 And it's not because I hate Joe Walsh.

01:34:27.680 I would love to see him change his mind and think rationally for once.

01:34:31.420 And kudos for him for sticking around on Twitter because most of them ran.

01:34:36.260 I think a lot of them will be back.

01:34:38.440 But that's where we're at right now.

01:34:41.160 You're absolutely right.

01:34:42.400 And when it comes to Trump, there is no rationale.

01:34:44.860 I want to read an exchange.

01:34:46.640 This is my best friend's aunt.

01:34:48.380 She messages me on Instagram constantly because she's got severe Trump derangement syndrome.

01:34:53.440 When I had posted on Instagram, for those who listen to the show, and I probably even said it with you, Mark, the CEOs of the world, the powerful elites of the world, the mainstream media folks, I said before the election, when Trump wins, they're going to come on their knees begging.

01:35:07.820 I said about Jamie Dimon.

01:35:09.100 We now find out Jamie Dimon is on his knees speaking to Trump apparently every day on his knees begging.

01:35:15.500 We find out Micah Brzezinski and Morning Joe run to Mar-a-Lago to go see Hitler.

01:35:21.960 Now, this is where you realize these people have no conscience and they have no brain.

01:35:27.980 I don't care about anything, the pics or what your issue was that you were going to Mar-a-Lago for.

01:35:35.320 If I called you Hitler, Mark, I don't want to know you.

01:35:38.200 I don't want to associate with you.

01:35:39.500 I don't ever want to see your face.

01:35:40.720 I don't want to know anybody you're friends with.

01:35:43.420 Hitler was a terrible person who did terrible harm on this world.

01:35:46.280 If I call you Hitler, I want nothing to do with you.

01:35:48.900 Yet these two folks, Micah and Joe, ran to Mar-a-Lago.

01:35:51.600 So anyway, I post them the picture of Micah and him.

01:35:54.480 I said, on their knees begging for Trump's forgiveness.

01:35:56.780 And my buddy's aunt responds, on their knees begging, we must be watching different shows.

01:36:01.160 Might want to get your head out of Fox News' so-called ass.

01:36:04.440 Now, mind you folks, I don't watch Fox News.

01:36:06.840 I haven't watched it since I left it.

01:36:08.560 November 4th, 2020.

01:36:10.380 There you go.

01:36:11.020 I was still there, unfortunately.

01:36:12.180 But anyway, he picked a new great AG Gates and his inspiration for all frat boys who want to sleep with underage girls.

01:36:18.540 And I respond back to her, you know, first of all, what you said is not true.

01:36:23.620 He's never been convicted of sleeping with any underage girls.

01:36:26.040 He's been alleged to.

01:36:28.360 That's false.

01:36:29.400 Then she goes on to say he's not a lawyer.

01:36:31.180 He went to Trump University for law school.

01:36:33.140 I reply back very simply.

01:36:34.820 He went to William & Mary for law school.

01:36:36.400 He, in fact, didn't go to Trump University.

01:36:38.100 Oh, it's a top-ranked college, yeah.

01:36:40.500 I mean, but you literally go through this list, Mark, and it's name-calling.

01:36:45.480 It's this and that.

01:36:46.520 And who the hell are you to be saying this person's not qualified for this?

01:36:51.900 This person's not qualified for this?

01:36:53.700 You look at any of these folks who President Trump has picked, and they have a career-long track record of doing great things, going to great schools.

01:37:00.560 Now, I'm not going to necessarily sit here and say that going to a great school qualifies you for anything because if you look at Barack Hussein Obama, he went to two of the best schools in the world.

01:37:10.180 He wound up being one of the dumbest presidents we've ever had, you know, so you can look at it that way.

01:37:15.000 But, you know, who are these people on the mainstream media, these journalists, these political pundits, anyone to say this person's not qualified to do this?

01:37:23.400 This person's not qualified to do that?

01:37:25.280 When was the – I didn't know there was a prerequisite to run the Pentagon.

01:37:28.740 Did you?

01:37:29.040 Well, they are paid liars.

01:37:34.700 Real quick, the guys we have running the Pentagon now, Mark, have just failed, what is it, their seventh or eighth straight audit?

01:37:40.800 Yeah, right.

01:37:41.500 And these are the people that we're saying are qualified to run this joint.

01:37:45.840 But the guy that you have coming in who wants to dismantle the whole place, he's not qualified.

01:37:51.020 Who were you to say that?

01:37:52.240 Who, by the way, has been shot at.

01:37:54.840 Who was –

01:37:55.060 Who were you to say it?

01:37:55.980 You know, I mean, they're prostitutes, they're paid liars, and they're doing it at the behest of people.

01:38:03.220 Here's – like you said some amazing stuff.

01:38:05.280 I want to rewind.

01:38:06.720 So I'm a pretty highly educated person.

01:38:09.400 I went to military academy.

01:38:12.100 I went through really great high school.

01:38:14.480 I got a master's.

01:38:16.400 From an Ivy League school, didn't you?

01:38:17.880 From an Ivy League and also from Old Dominion.

01:38:20.800 And I spent my entire educational life, which probably amounts to 18 years in school or whatever, without ever actually being taught the logical fallacies.

01:38:33.540 And that is sad.

01:38:35.700 That is one of the biggest damnations of our education system that I could possibly come up with.

01:38:42.100 Because who are we not except the sum total of our ideas?

01:38:46.900 And if you – it's literally binary.

01:38:50.000 You can either be somebody that in good faith attempts to be intelligent and make objectively good decisions, or you could literally be an intellectual liar.

01:38:59.680 And so if people don't know them the way I – I was like, oh, I should read that book.

01:39:04.840 My kid's got one of the Tuttle Twins books, Conor Boyack, and it's on logical fallacies.

01:39:10.420 Really consumable or just go get a YouTube video on it.

01:39:14.200 But if you study the logical fallacies, which will not take you long – there's a lot of them.

01:39:18.660 But the left uses five of them basically.

01:39:22.220 And what you said was all ad hominem attacks.

01:39:24.760 Yeah.

01:39:24.960 Like that's two Quoquis, the other one they really love, and you will see the matrix.

01:39:32.340 You will – and it won't make you popular with them, but you'll at least feel better that you'll win every argument because that's what they do.

01:39:39.600 That's – we have literally people who consume and subsist on logical fallacies and people who don't understand why they're doing it.

01:39:48.980 And the problem is, Mark, we – and we went way over our a lot of times.

01:39:54.480 So whenever you want to –

01:39:55.040 It always happens.

01:39:56.100 You tell me.

01:39:56.760 But, you know, I don't have anything until tomorrow when I got to do this show again.

01:40:00.620 So – but, no, I mean, you look at these people who are doing it, Mark, and we allow them to keep doing it.

01:40:07.060 Now, I'm not in favor of censoring anybody.

01:40:09.700 I believe in the First Amendment.

01:40:10.680 I think we should all be allowed to come out and say what we want.

01:40:13.840 But if the viewer is not holding these people accountable, when Lou was fired from Fox News – I shouldn't say fired.

01:40:19.920 He wasn't fired.

01:40:20.520 His show was canceled.

01:40:21.440 But ostensibly, canceling his show is the same thing, except you get a little bit of money.

01:40:28.220 Anyway, he was fired or canceled because they said he's – consequences for election lies.

01:40:34.860 Turns out that was never proven to be true.

01:40:38.840 They said he lied or it was reported that he lied.

01:40:42.320 There's no evidence to support that what he was saying wasn't true.

01:40:46.420 He was an opinion-based host, so he was allowed to go ahead and give his opinion on things.

01:40:50.820 But he was never proven to be wrong.

01:40:53.820 Yeah, in stages too.

01:40:55.640 Right.

01:40:56.140 So he was never proven to be wrong.

01:40:57.520 But yet, Mark, you turn into – now, for people who don't know, daytime programming is supposed to be news.

01:41:05.760 It's generally what it is.

01:41:07.660 If you watch Fox News from early morning to about 4 o'clock, I think 5 o'clock is when they get into prime time, that's when you'll start getting opinion.

01:41:14.880 If you turn on CNN or MSNBC in the early morning or the middle of the day, it is, like you said, ad hominem.

01:41:22.320 It's all the same garbage, and it's lies.

01:41:24.920 Now, if the viewers aren't going to hold these idiots accountable, they're just as dumb as they are for watching.

01:41:30.520 Now, I'll watch MSNBC and CNN, but it's only to see what they're talking about or what's going on.

01:41:36.060 I don't care to watch Fox News and watch these people kissing each other's rear ends.

01:41:40.400 Yeah, that was a great point.

01:41:41.800 Yeah, that's a great point.

01:41:43.120 Political discourse is what we need in this country.

01:41:45.840 You need to have the arguments.

01:41:47.540 You need to have the points so that other people open up their eyes.

01:41:51.520 You have young kids at home.

01:41:52.740 They're going to make a decision for themselves one day, whether they're Republicans or Democrats, and it's probably going to be based off of what you teach them.

01:42:00.300 But when they go to college, they're going to either embrace what you taught them or they're going to rebel against it, and they're going to say, this is what I believe.

01:42:08.100 And I have three sisters.

01:42:09.660 Two of them went to college, and they came back the same way they left as Republicans because of my father.

01:42:14.040 One of them came back after going to Colgate, which was a liberal arts institution, which if you probably go up there now, you've got the blue-haired folks.

01:42:25.880 And she came back and became a Marxist liberal, went to law school, went to a very good law school, became a lawyer.

01:42:32.680 I don't understand her ideologies, and I argue with her very often over it, but it just doesn't make sense how you come to that point, how you get to this point.

01:42:45.060 Now, you have, like I said, MSNBC, CNN, coming out every day lying.

01:42:50.040 There's no accountability.

01:42:51.840 So what do they do?

01:42:52.540 They say, oh, we're looking to sell the network.

01:42:54.740 That's how you fix it, Mark.

01:42:56.260 You fix it by saying, okay, you know what?

01:42:59.260 It's all of a sudden for sale.

01:43:00.440 Why don't you fix it?

01:43:01.940 Why don't they bring in an executive, a network president who comes in and fixes it?

01:43:07.040 And you can have Democrats on there.

01:43:09.180 You can have 90% Democrats and 10% Republicans, but tell the damn truth.

01:43:14.160 That's all we're asking for.

01:43:15.500 Is that too much to ask for?

01:43:18.280 Yeah, and it's like you're seeing an identity crisis because they, I think, fundamentally know that these outlets aren't telling them the truth, and yet they don't have a way to fill this identity hole.

01:43:29.220 I think what you're seeing is people who deeply want to belong to something bigger than themselves.

01:43:34.800 When I say that, it's like, well, I understand that those might be things like God and country, right?

01:43:41.240 Like things that are idealist and nebulous, but also very real.

01:43:46.900 And listen, I don't think if you ask them, they say, oh, I'm an MSNBC watcher.

01:43:52.320 But I think a lot of them commit a lot of time to that, and it might be part of what they perceive to be a brand ecosystem of authority.

01:44:02.040 Oh, I read the New York Times.

01:44:04.080 And Scott Adams would tell you it's because it's their way of telling themselves they're smarter than everybody else.

01:44:09.080 I think maybe if you asked me 20 or 30 years ago, I would have said, oh, yeah, I'm a Fox News watcher.

01:44:15.080 No, not anymore.

01:44:16.160 I'm just trying to be informed, which is why I watch other stuff.

01:44:20.820 And I think you've got a lot of people who are like, yeah, I'm just trying to find out and do – and others, I think them right now, it's really hard.

01:44:28.820 It's because they could have had Harris win, and all of a sudden you've got four years of cover.

01:44:33.000 Oh, I'm a Democrat.

01:44:34.400 I'm a Kamala Harris Democrat.

01:44:35.880 Now they don't have that.

01:44:37.500 There's no leadership, period, whatsoever.

01:44:40.260 They have no bench.

01:44:41.360 They have nobody to come in and fill that vacuum.

01:44:43.840 You've got CNN and MSNBC on the chopping block.

01:44:47.040 Nope.

01:44:47.560 You have blue sky, which is thin gruel, let's just say.

01:44:53.300 And so this comes back to Mark Halperin calling, I think, very accurately, we're going to have a mental health crisis here.

01:45:00.000 You're starting to see it.

01:45:00.800 What is the – they can't even commit to woke, right?

01:45:04.880 Like that's on the ropes as well.

01:45:07.640 And like some of them will change their mind.

01:45:09.840 Maybe the bullying or the logic will do it, but I really don't know where it goes from here.

01:45:14.720 It's kind of weird.

01:45:16.060 And you have to – like again, I want it to go somewhere.

01:45:18.320 I want these people to be rehabilitated into acknowledging reality around them because maybe my kids will be there someday.

01:45:26.020 But ostensibly what I really would just hope is that Elon must listen.

01:45:30.280 I will volunteer to be a part of it.

01:45:32.300 I would love to get alternate path educations off the ground before my kids are old enough for college.

01:45:37.540 Give me some apprenticeships, stuff like that.

01:45:41.380 I know he's starting a new school.

01:45:42.860 I don't think it's completely unreasonable to ask for.

01:45:49.080 I would love to have Democrats on this show.

01:45:50.820 Now, the audience probably wouldn't be happy with me, but I think it's important that, like I said, we have the political discourse.

01:45:57.460 I couldn't get a Democrat to come on the show, Mark, if I tried because they have absolutely nothing to argue about.

01:46:03.560 They'll get on here and tell me that I've got a receding hairline and I'm ugly and I'm going bald because they can't talk about the issues.

01:46:13.040 What is?

01:46:13.420 Because there really is no defending, like I said, what went on over the last four years.

01:46:18.540 These people have a mindset.

01:46:20.480 They're so stuck in it.

01:46:21.940 And the Instagram message I was just reading for you, this is a woman who is mentally deranged.

01:46:26.720 I love the woman.

01:46:27.380 Very nice lady.

01:46:28.040 But she's mentally deranged to be in her ways and there's no – the crazy thing about them, Mark, is there's no getting them out of it.

01:46:36.340 They're living in this, like, alternate world and it's like a merry-go-round that they just cannot seem to get off of and they hate this man so badly that they're willing to risk it all.

01:46:50.100 They're willing to lose it all.

01:46:52.380 For what?

01:46:52.980 You had mentioned, you know, wanting things, people wanting things deeper and yours is God and country and I agree with you.

01:46:59.920 I wish I can get the hell out of this business.

01:47:01.800 I want to get as far out of it as possible.

01:47:05.140 I can't because this is something Lou and I started and I have an audience and I have an obligation.

01:47:10.380 You're informing an audience.

01:47:12.000 It's a noble profession.

01:47:13.540 Right.

01:47:13.960 And that's the reason I can't get out of it.

01:47:15.760 But if things ended differently and Lou were still alive, I would, you know, eventually see my way out of this business.

01:47:22.800 It's depressing.

01:47:24.540 And I'm not one to get depressed.

01:47:26.020 I'm always happy.

01:47:27.200 But it's depressing.

01:47:28.620 You know, there's a lot of agony in it.

01:47:31.700 There's infighting.

01:47:32.720 People either love you or they hate you.

01:47:36.340 They dox you.

01:47:37.400 I mean, they do all sorts of sick, perverse things to you simply because you disagree.

01:47:43.140 I mean, I just don't understand how we've gotten to this point, Mark, and how we get out because it seems you mentioned Mark Halpern's health crisis.

01:47:51.040 I don't know what's going to happen.

01:47:53.720 I assume the prescriptions for lorazepam, the antidepressant, are going to go up.

01:47:59.060 And we're going to continue to put people on medicines in America because that's what we do.

01:48:04.080 If you have a child who's a hyper child, you put them on Ritalin because there's something wrong with them.

01:48:11.100 That's what we do in America.

01:48:12.540 How do you spell that?

01:48:13.740 So I've been going to Google Trends for the last three weeks and searching to see what kind of trends spike up after the election.

01:48:20.060 Antidepressant.

01:48:21.120 Yeah.

01:48:21.640 Oh, I'll look up antidepressant.

01:48:23.220 But I was looking for therapy.

01:48:26.060 There hasn't been a spike.

01:48:27.180 What, interestingly, the word expatriate has a massive spike after the election.

01:48:33.000 And the number one search volume is coming from, guess where, in the country.

01:48:37.820 The number one for that term?

01:48:40.080 For the term expatriate.

01:48:41.560 Guess where it's coming from?

01:48:42.740 New York or California?

01:48:44.200 Washington, D.C.

01:48:45.960 I was close.

01:48:47.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:48:49.040 So antidepressants have only, it's not really a peak.

01:48:54.980 There's a little bit.

01:48:55.920 It's up, like, you know, 10%, 15% after the election.

01:48:59.880 You know what?

01:49:00.300 Let's do this.

01:49:01.520 Let's see.

01:49:02.300 Number one search is coming from.

01:49:03.680 Hey, Siri, what is the number one antidepressant in America?

01:49:13.420 It's probably the generic.

01:49:15.280 Yeah.

01:49:15.460 You know, because, I mean, it's the people's way is to just medicate, get on medicine, take

01:49:27.080 a pill.

01:49:27.800 I got my wisdom teeth pulled some years ago, Mark, and they gave me two bottles of oxycodone.

01:49:34.920 I had never taken one in my life before.

01:49:37.000 And I was in such excruciating pain.

01:49:39.400 I had four taken out at one time.

01:49:41.160 For anyone who's went through it, you know the pain.

01:49:43.980 I took as many ibuprofens as I possibly could, and I said, I can't do this anymore.

01:49:47.520 I need something stronger.

01:49:48.720 I take an oxycodone, and I go to bed.

01:49:51.040 And I tell you, I've never felt so good in my life.

01:49:54.300 I went to bed, Mark.

01:49:55.280 I felt like I was on cloud nine.

01:49:57.120 I woke up the next morning.

01:49:58.100 I took both bottles of the oxycodones, and I dumped them down the road.

01:50:01.320 Yeah.

01:50:01.720 No going out.

01:50:03.860 This was one pill I took, and I said, I can never take this one again.

01:50:08.180 I mean, it's the advantage.

01:50:10.220 Hand them out like candy.

01:50:11.740 Right.

01:50:12.220 I woke up the next morning.

01:50:13.120 I said, I need another one of those things.

01:50:14.580 I mean, because it's just, it's what we've done.

01:50:17.180 We've gotten people in America so dependent on fixing things with shrinks and fixing things

01:50:25.620 with antidepressants, that's not the way that things should be, Mark.

01:50:31.800 Yeah.

01:50:32.140 I was checking to see if we pulled on it, but we didn't.

01:50:34.300 I'm looking up.

01:50:34.940 We pulled on fentanyl, but not oxy.

01:50:37.860 That's all different.

01:50:39.260 Can we marvel, though, that 30-minute conversation we had without really talking about politics

01:50:45.000 or left versus right?

01:50:46.680 Right.

01:50:47.040 It literally is framed about people who are unwilling to engage in good faith dialogue.

01:50:52.800 Right.

01:50:53.280 Based on identity, based on basically commitment to team.

01:50:57.140 It's like, well, you're a Yankees.

01:50:58.540 Maybe the team stinks this year, but you're not going to abandon them.

01:51:01.880 Right.

01:51:02.280 No matter what.

01:51:03.180 Well, I would.

01:51:03.900 It's like, man, you guys suck.

01:51:06.460 You know, you're an intellect, clearly, Mark.

01:51:10.420 So people haven't figured it out by now.

01:51:13.600 It's all going to you.

01:51:14.180 I feel like if you and I had different political views and we disagreed on things, that we would

01:51:19.040 still be able to have a conversation with each other without calling each other idiots,

01:51:23.400 without using personal attacks on each other, because we both have brains.

01:51:29.640 We're both smart people.

01:51:31.040 Yeah, of course.

01:51:31.940 I'm not self-declared smart, but I do have a triple-digit IQ.

01:51:35.640 But we find ourselves these days, Mark, as I've read those messages to the audience,

01:51:39.800 where we cannot simply do that with these people who have double-digit IQs.

01:51:43.860 And it's a shame, because I like to have conversations with people I disagree with.

01:51:47.760 I like to try to persuade somebody and say, this is why you should do it.

01:51:54.540 This is why you shouldn't jump off the bridge.

01:51:56.180 This is why you should jump off the bridge.

01:51:58.920 I like bringing people over to a side that I believe in.

01:52:02.000 And when I'm done with it, and I do get them over on my side, and I've done it a lot in my life.

01:52:07.020 I'm a pretty good talker, which is why I'm doing this.

01:52:10.180 I feel a great deal of gratitude.

01:52:12.460 And money doesn't drive me, which is why I'm doing this business.

01:52:15.200 It drives me when I get emails.

01:52:18.900 My staff sends me emails, or I get Twitter messages, or I'll get text messages telling me you're doing a good job.

01:52:24.060 When I'll get people who I don't even know coming up to me telling me they watch the show.

01:52:28.280 When I see my numbers boosting, that's what drives me, knowing that I'm getting the message out there,

01:52:34.180 knowing that I'm swaying somebody, that I'm getting someone to understand something that they didn't understand before.

01:52:41.300 That's what gratifies me.

01:52:43.260 That's what drives me.

01:52:45.200 But with these people, Mark, they make it so damn hard.

01:52:48.280 No, I seek people that disagree with me.

01:52:50.200 If people, I'm sure everybody listening to this, watching this, knows exactly what we're talking about.

01:52:55.480 This is a very obvious phenomenon.

01:52:57.380 But there's a very clear recent example of exactly this.

01:53:02.260 And you can juxtapose two different people who are both the Young Turks, okay?

01:53:07.800 Go watch Cenk Uygur's bit on Piers Morgan, where he rips into Alan Lickman.

01:53:15.320 Yep.

01:53:15.820 And I disagree with Cenk.

01:53:17.340 We probably would overlap 5% or 10%.

01:53:19.300 I'd love to have a beer with him.

01:53:20.760 I think we could have a conversation if he's not in kill mode.

01:53:23.280 But then go Emma Vigeland, I think her name is.

01:53:28.260 She was also on Piers Morgan.

01:53:29.980 And I watched that, and I said, dear Lord, I do not want to be in a room with that woman.

01:53:36.100 She is insane and prescribes to an entirely different set of reality.

01:53:42.660 There is no common ground.

01:53:44.240 And I would love to see it, but it's like I just know where it's going to go.

01:53:48.120 And people could go look at those on YouTube, and you'll know exactly what I mean.

01:53:53.680 Yep.

01:53:54.480 You watch – people want to talk about Fox News.

01:53:56.680 Like I said, I don't watch Fox News, but I'll see clips from The Five where they have Jessica Tarlov on.

01:54:01.260 And I talk about double-digit IQs.

01:54:02.940 She's got a double-digit IQ.

01:54:04.340 The woman – I've met her many times.

01:54:06.680 I've sat in green rooms with her.

01:54:08.360 Not a smart person.

01:54:09.500 Doesn't have a word to say behind the scenes or anything because I think she knows she's wrong.

01:54:13.460 She goes out on television and all of a sudden has this big mouth to say things that don't make any sense.

01:54:20.060 But nonetheless, just totally brain dead and a person you cannot have a conversation with because it's personal insult.

01:54:26.580 It's ad homina.

01:54:27.760 It's the same old garbage that's just regurgitated.

01:54:31.860 Trump's a racist.

01:54:32.780 Although you don't hear that anymore.

01:54:33.940 Trump's not a racist anymore.

01:54:35.200 He's now convicted.

01:54:36.360 He's a felon now.

01:54:37.720 But in just a few weeks, he's not going to be a felon anymore.

01:54:40.860 But they have nothing because there's nothing that suggests President Trump is a racist.

01:54:45.880 There's nothing that suggests that President Trump is a xenophobe.

01:54:49.000 There's nothing that suggests that President Trump is a fascist.

01:54:52.000 The Access Hollywood tape.

01:54:54.900 This is a you just raised a really important public opinion question.

01:54:59.380 And there's no I don't have a clear answer to it.

01:55:01.820 But why do you think racism isn't being used against Donald Trump right now?

01:55:07.680 It's a good point.

01:55:08.840 I have some theories, but I don't.

01:55:10.820 Well, go ahead.

01:55:11.380 It's magical, though.

01:55:12.320 Well, OK, I mean, I just have to think back and it's like it was the key component of the anti-border crackdown.

01:55:18.600 Trump's a racist is, oh, I want to build a wall.

01:55:20.640 Nope.

01:55:20.880 Trump's a racist.

01:55:21.840 Yeah.

01:55:21.980 And since then, we've had the BLM Summer of Love where they, I think, like took racism to its ultimate extent and critical race theory for three or four years.

01:55:35.040 There's DEI blowback right now.

01:55:37.000 I think they're scared of using it.

01:55:38.740 And then also they flooded the border with people from every single frigging country.

01:55:42.600 But like the polling that I would say is how serious is a problem of a problem is racism in America today?

01:55:50.720 Thirty four percent say very serious.

01:55:52.180 It's still kind of high.

01:55:53.640 Thirty two percent say somewhat.

01:55:56.420 But forty four percent say we talk too much about race and how concerned.

01:56:03.340 Here's the big one.

01:56:04.420 How concerned are you that you might be accused of racism?

01:56:09.860 What's that?

01:56:10.540 Only 13 percent say very concerned.

01:56:13.720 Only 10 percent of white Americans.

01:56:16.900 So it's like I don't like sticks and stones, man.

01:56:21.380 Only 26 percent of white Americans are at least somewhat concerned.

01:56:24.700 So it doesn't work anymore.

01:56:26.260 Black Americans are more concerned of being called racist than white Americans are.

01:56:31.280 Because the Democrats, I think, have put us into a position.

01:56:34.520 And I've had from doing this show, I've had people call me racist.

01:56:37.160 And I sit there and I say, my goddaughter is black.

01:56:40.480 My college roommate's child, who I'm the godfather of, is black.

01:56:45.100 My best friend is Muslim.

01:56:47.680 Two or three of my best friends are Muslim.

01:56:49.540 My other best friend is Colombian.

01:56:51.940 So you could go down the list.

01:56:54.000 Now, you know, I'm not going to say I don't know anyone who's racist.

01:56:58.000 I really don't.

01:56:58.640 I have friends, I have people who have made comments, which everyone probably has in their life.

01:57:06.300 In the times of today, you have cell phones to show you the people who have done it recently.

01:57:11.220 But, you know, everyone's made a comment.

01:57:13.200 But at the end of the day, any of those people I've heard made comments.

01:57:15.580 If someone was dying on the side of the road, if they were black, Hispanic, Chinese, whatever you want to call it, wouldn't look and see what that person's ethnicity is to stop.

01:57:25.320 And that's where I draw the line at racism, what makes you a racist.

01:57:29.280 You know, you see life with color on it.

01:57:33.240 I don't.

01:57:33.900 But they've resorted to it, Mark, because there's nothing else you can say.

01:57:38.400 Like I had said, there's nothing that you can say that Trump is a fascist.

01:57:42.640 You can't say he's a xenophobe because he's never done anything that's constituted.

01:57:47.680 Saying we want to close the border does not make him a racist.

01:57:51.140 Shutting down flights from China during the midst of COVID does not make him a xenophobe.

01:57:56.680 So I'm going to do something.

01:57:58.020 I'm going to make you an honorary Xennial for a moment.

01:58:00.480 Imagine that you were born in 1979.

01:58:02.740 You went to public school in the 80s, Black History Month.

01:58:07.360 We learned about Martin Luther King, Jr.

01:58:10.780 Social, socioeconomically strained time.

01:58:13.960 So people were very, I think, integrated.

01:58:16.440 Right.

01:58:17.740 And then in the 90s, you had the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

01:58:21.420 You had, you know, Independence Day come out in 96.

01:58:25.080 So what's kind of like this weird dichotomy is that in the 80s and 90s, there were probably more racists in America than there are now.

01:58:34.360 Right.

01:58:35.120 But the culture was less racist.

01:58:36.840 Now we have fewer racists.

01:58:39.300 But the culture is much, much more racist, in my opinion, which is kind of wild.

01:58:44.120 I would just love to go back to the 80s where we were all friends with each other.

01:58:47.960 And, yeah, you made jokes at each other.

01:58:50.100 And you made jokes about yourself.

01:58:51.780 But, you know, I was in the Navy in the 90s and 2000s, and it was racially diverse, and nobody cared, and it was, like, not a big deal.

01:59:01.320 And it was only when the hustler class decided that there was a new mark, that they had a vector into the government and corporations to force this as a wedge.

01:59:11.160 That's where we're at now, and it's been horrible.

01:59:13.020 I think there's blowback.

01:59:13.700 Like, that polling showed there's blowback.

01:59:15.260 Nobody cares.

01:59:16.140 Call me racist.

01:59:16.720 I don't care.

01:59:17.060 Right, right.

01:59:18.280 And like you said, I mean, it comes down to being, like, a human and having a sense of humor.

01:59:23.340 Like I said, I have a lot of Spanish friends.

01:59:25.800 So when I'm in Colombia or I'm in Puerto Rico, I refer to myself as the white boy.

01:59:30.580 And, you know, everyone laughs about it because it is what it is.

01:59:33.420 I mean, without you – when Tony Hinchcliffe made the comment about Puerto Rico being the floating island of garbage, I got into an argument with Peter Navarro over there on Twitter because I said, we can't let this divide us.

01:59:43.960 Comedy is what brings us together.

01:59:45.340 It changes people's lives.

01:59:46.400 The day you let comedy die in America is the day you let America die.

01:59:50.980 Yeah, no joke.

01:59:52.180 I mean, we told – the nationality of choice in the 80s for jokes was – you might not know it.

01:59:59.520 What is it?

02:00:00.320 Do you know it?

02:00:01.600 No, I'll let you go ahead and say it.

02:00:03.220 Oh, it's the Polish jokes.

02:00:04.420 You don't remember that?

02:00:05.840 I mean, I've heard of plenty of them because I'm Polish myself.

02:00:08.580 Okay.

02:00:08.940 Well, I didn't know if I was –

02:00:10.000 I didn't want to make the wrong assumption and then someone called me.

02:00:14.660 I didn't know what my Caucasian heritage was.

02:00:16.720 I could have been 100% Polish for all I knew, but we still told the jokes.

02:00:20.180 And, you know, like, oh, an Italian guy walks into a bar.

02:00:22.380 You know, like what – that's just what –

02:00:24.940 My uncle, who's full of Italians, still calls my father the Polak.

02:00:28.820 Yeah.

02:00:29.180 That's what he used to call me.

02:00:30.520 We're Polish.

02:00:31.180 And he could say, oh, look at you guys talking about not being racist and telling racist.

02:00:34.700 But it's like this was the culture.

02:00:36.300 This is what – you watch George Carlin say this stuff on TV.

02:00:40.640 Like that's what the culture was, and it was a less racist time.

02:00:43.760 Everybody was happy about it.

02:00:44.920 But then you look at – and I'll use Spike Lee for everyone who doesn't know Spike Lee, for example.

02:00:49.680 Spike Lee hates white people.

02:00:51.300 Big Knicks fan.

02:00:52.580 He genuinely hates white people.

02:00:54.740 He's said it.

02:00:55.920 He's exhibited behaviors.

02:00:57.180 He runs an all-black production company of no white people.

02:01:00.620 That's someone who's a racist, discriminating against any, you know, color or ethnic history or anything like that.

02:01:09.220 That's someone who's an inherent racist.

02:01:12.960 President Trump, like I said, saying he wants to build a border wall or saying this or saying that.

02:01:18.240 Tony Hinchcliffe saying Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage.

02:01:21.620 Does it make him racist?

02:01:23.780 You know, people have to get that through their damn heads.

02:01:26.640 And like I said, the day we let comedy die, Mark, is the day we let this country die.

02:01:32.740 And I think some of these depressed psychopaths who are on antidepressants – by the way, I think it's funny.

02:01:39.380 I actually – people who are on antidepressants for other reasons, who have hard lives, I pity you guys, and I feel sorry for you guys.

02:01:46.780 But these people who have Trump derangement syndrome who are on antidepressants, I think you're a laughingstock and you're a loser.

02:01:53.540 Because if you are that weak-minded that you let somebody get into your mind who absolutely, like, has no impact on your life, except for, like, for the better, I would say, generally, right?

02:02:08.260 Yeah.

02:02:08.840 If you let them get into your head that bad, you are a weak-minded loser.

02:02:12.580 There's no nice way to put it, Mark.

02:02:16.220 No.

02:02:17.020 No.

02:02:17.540 Open your eyes.

02:02:19.480 Exercise critical, rational thought.

02:02:21.480 Try and do better.

02:02:22.600 You know?

02:02:22.920 That's – you'll feel better.

02:02:26.960 Man, that's comedy.

02:02:28.060 Something we haven't polled on a lot.

02:02:29.480 We should do that.

02:02:30.620 Yeah.

02:02:31.220 I think it's important, Mark.

02:02:32.680 It really –

02:02:33.580 You don't have any of it.

02:02:36.700 It really is.

02:02:37.720 I mean, for a company that does as much polling as you guys.

02:02:40.420 By the way –

02:02:41.140 We do a ton of –

02:02:41.600 Like, we do Oscars and Emmys and movies.

02:02:44.220 Like, we do entertainment.

02:02:45.560 This is just something that's flown under our radar for the last 20 years.

02:02:48.980 And it's important.

02:02:49.860 It's, like, a very important window into culture.

02:02:53.520 For some people who are interested in O.J. Simpson, we have some news for you.

02:02:59.620 There's apparently a tape of O.J. Simpson from an ex-bodyguard who has a confession of O.J. admitting to the crime he's been –

02:03:11.140 I almost said convicted – bequitted of.

02:03:15.900 Sort of interesting now that we find out about it.

02:03:18.580 Also, in other news, Miami-Dade County, which was Democrat for the longest time up until about a month ago, debuts –

02:03:27.960 You ready for this?

02:03:29.160 President Donald J. Trump area – Avenue – area.

02:03:34.000 Donald J. Trump Avenue.

02:03:36.160 I feel bad on the term of antidepressants, Mark.

02:03:40.140 I feel bad for those psychopaths who have to drive past that every single day.

02:03:44.440 And look up and see a damn Donald J. Trump sign.

02:03:53.360 Man, it's truly –

02:03:54.820 Dude, where did you see that O.J. thing?

02:03:56.860 That's crazy.

02:03:57.520 I assume we were speaking about race in America.

02:04:01.800 That was a pretty seminal event there.

02:04:04.940 The New York Post has it.

02:04:07.520 Wow.

02:04:07.960 You know, I'm looking at a cup here I've got from Tucker Carlson back at Fox News.

02:04:14.800 I don't know if you can see that here.

02:04:16.440 It's Tucker Carlson on one side.

02:04:18.520 I forgot to spell his name on the other side, but it sort of resembles you a little bit.

02:04:22.300 No.

02:04:26.360 I think it's Tucker Carlson's arch nemesis.

02:04:28.840 I can't think of his name.

02:04:30.800 He's a writer for somewhere.

02:04:33.560 It's my mind.

02:04:34.980 This is incredible.

02:04:35.820 We actually – we pulled on O.J. Simpson too.

02:04:37.760 Everybody hated him.

02:04:39.000 Really?

02:04:40.140 Yeah.

02:04:40.620 2017.

02:04:42.260 I guess the only time we did it.

02:04:44.000 4% very favorable.

02:04:45.880 12% favorable.

02:04:47.620 55% very unfavorable.

02:04:49.860 So like 80% almost unfavorable opinion.

02:04:54.020 And 61% of black Americans had an unfavorable opinion as well.

02:04:58.860 And everybody wanted him.

02:05:00.820 Should O.J. Simpson be paroled?

02:05:02.720 60% no.

02:05:04.020 20% yes.

02:05:04.820 Yes.

02:05:05.700 But 42% of plurality of black Americans wanted him paroled back in 2017.

02:05:11.100 Hmm.

02:05:12.060 Yeah.

02:05:12.820 We've got some good news coming out of the DEI department from a leading report.

02:05:18.200 Southwest Airlines, which I've only flown once in my life, announces they are putting an end to their DEI employment practices.

02:05:27.220 Yeah, the big one was Walmart.

02:05:30.260 My former employer, the Robbie Starbuck, got them to capitulate.

02:05:35.040 We'll see.

02:05:36.080 You know, time will tell.

02:05:38.120 There were a lot of things within the company that – beyond just like the typical DEI headline stuff that they really need to reverse.

02:05:48.540 So I had dinner with a friend a few weeks ago.

02:05:52.820 And for everyone else to know, my background is not in journalism.

02:05:55.660 I kind of got thrown into this, but I'm happy I did.

02:05:57.860 My background is in the airline business.

02:06:00.060 And by training, I'm a pilot.

02:06:01.800 But, yeah, so I had dinner with a friend of mine who was a pilot a few weeks ago who now works for a great airline, Delta Airlines, one of the best ones there is, probably the best airline in America.

02:06:13.680 And he said he had met with a recruiter to go work for American Airlines before he got hired on Delta.

02:06:19.120 And the recruiter looked at him, and now he's a white fella, straight white fella.

02:06:24.060 He wears a What Would Jesus Do bracelet on his wrist.

02:06:27.080 He goes to church every Sunday.

02:06:31.020 And the recruiter met with him, and after the event, off the record, said to him, you know, so-and-so, you're never going to get hired here.

02:06:38.380 He says, why?

02:06:39.560 He says, this is between us.

02:06:41.960 You're a white male.

02:06:43.700 And he looked at me.

02:06:44.700 He's like, are you effing kidding me?

02:06:47.780 But that's – now you're putting that in the cockpit of planes.

02:06:50.820 And, I mean, that's only the start of it.

02:06:52.640 For people who don't know, some years ago, air traffickers got rid of college degrees as a prerequisite to become an air traffic controller.

02:07:00.680 Now, I'd argue as a pilot, air traffic control is just as important as being an airline pilot, if not more important.

02:07:06.320 You have a screen with blips on it, and you've got to make sure that these planes aren't hitting each other in the air.

02:07:12.400 It's scary to think now that your skin color, your ethnicity, your race, your gender, who you sleep with, and by that I mean gay, straight, whatever, determines if you get a job or not.

02:07:27.900 And some jobs, Mark, that are literally like –

02:07:31.280 This is the issue – oh, there's a lot of issues of our day.

02:07:36.860 But this is the one that's going to play out in corporations across the country over the next five years.

02:07:44.120 I think Trump's got a great economic plan.

02:07:47.060 I think there's a lot to like over the next couple of years.

02:07:50.220 But DEI is a major issue.

02:07:51.720 And I talked about this on a stream with Valiant Renegade.

02:07:55.740 We were talking about the entertainment industry, but I think it's a really good proxy because the same kind of problems exist as Walmart as they do in Hollywood, which is DEI is fundamentally a leadership problem.

02:08:06.820 You can have super left employees.

02:08:09.180 I have.

02:08:09.740 I think they're great if you lead them appropriately and you build a collaborative team and everybody has goals and there's support infrastructure and mechanisms and systems.

02:08:20.620 Not a problem.

02:08:21.720 The problem is when you get a CEO who's willing to rejigger the entire company around these goals, they can change.

02:08:30.460 Doug McMillan at the head of Walmart, the Iger at the top of Disney, they can change.

02:08:36.920 They can say, you know what?

02:08:37.880 We're not going to be woke anymore.

02:08:39.120 We're going to get rid of the employee resource group.

02:08:41.400 The problem with Walmart is, well, you have 1,000 recruiters who are 25-year-old women with pronouns in their LinkedIn bios.

02:08:50.380 That's the problem.

02:08:51.200 They don't go away.

02:08:52.340 You get rid of your DEI programs.

02:08:53.820 Those people are still the on-ramp for talent in your company.

02:08:58.140 And then the problem with Disney is, okay, that's great.

02:09:00.940 You can even hire, like, not for DEI, but you just got rid of all of your legacy animators.

02:09:07.340 How's that going to work for you?

02:09:08.940 They're not coming back.

02:09:10.720 And so that's the problem.

02:09:11.980 It's like, okay, that's great that Disney's not woke anymore.

02:09:14.120 They still can't write a movie.

02:09:15.820 They still have people from Tumblr writing scripts for them, and that's a really tough problem to fix.

02:09:22.000 You can't fix it with just culture.

02:09:24.280 You're absolutely right.

02:09:25.180 And like I often say, if I wasn't in this business, I'd love to be in the show business side of things and right the wrongs of these people made.

02:09:31.600 But I'll never be accepted into a Disney or a Netflix or anything like that because of my ideologies and my politics, which is sad because I think I do pretty good work.

02:09:42.620 My record shows for it, you know, it is what it is.

02:09:47.160 But, you know, the day now that we've come to is it matters if you're black or it matters if you're white and you get the job.

02:09:55.460 And we see these companies, I mean, time and time again.

02:09:58.740 Bud Light, one of the ones to kick it off for us, put Caitlin Collins from CNN on their can.

02:10:05.080 You put Caitlin Collins on your, I mean, Dylan Mulvaney.

02:10:07.560 They look the same.

02:10:10.080 Oh, I say it on Twitter.

02:10:11.280 Did I say that?

02:10:13.560 You got to edit that out.

02:10:15.180 We're live, baby.

02:10:16.740 What did Bill O'Reilly say?

02:10:19.160 And, folks, this is why I can't do a live show is because I've got no timer on here now.

02:10:23.440 I've got Mark Mitchell saying Caitlin Mulvaney.

02:10:27.600 But, you know, you've got these Bud Light learning the hard way.

02:10:31.940 And the thing that's so crazy to me, Mark, is that the Doug McMillans of the world, the Jamie Diamonds of the world, you go down the list.

02:10:40.300 These people are the smartest people in the world, right?

02:10:43.820 These people running these multibillion-dollar and trillion-dollar corporations.

02:10:47.760 Tim Cook.

02:10:48.540 These are the smartest people in the world.

02:10:50.180 So what possessed them, even before the whole Bud Light controversy, what possessed these people to go so far stupid when in their brains, Mark, they knew, they know.

02:11:03.300 And they knew that going down this path was not going to end well because at the end of the day, there are more people who are normal in this world and in this country than people who are mentally deranged who think men can be women and women can be men.

02:11:17.540 And that by somehow putting they, them, he, he, he, she, she, he, she, me in your pronoun section makes any damn difference whether you do a good job or you do a bad job.

02:11:31.360 Do you think these people really thought it through?

02:11:36.500 Yeah, that's a tough question.

02:11:38.280 I saw it coming in 2008 when I was at business school.

02:11:40.680 And what we did is, you know, they had the Socratic method.

02:11:45.240 I was oftentimes arguing one side in the classroom while everybody else argued the other.

02:11:51.780 And it's not because they were super ideological.

02:11:53.900 It's just that why would they take the nonconformist approach?

02:11:57.820 And some of these arguments were like in business ethics, shareholder value versus stakeholder value.

02:12:03.640 Of course.

02:12:03.960 I'd be like, no, well, you have to pick shareholder value.

02:12:06.560 You have a fiduciary duty and it's the only objective measure, like, you know, like a good whatever.

02:12:11.840 And I think that share stakeholder value is very popular because it makes you feel good about yourself.

02:12:18.720 You don't have to be measured.

02:12:20.280 You can pick subjective measures and you can also convince yourself as an MBA that you're saving the world and not just making money.

02:12:27.680 And so that creates an army of socially malleable people who just want to join a club.

02:12:34.440 That's not everything, though.

02:12:35.700 There's this layer of people at the top who obviously are doing it to ingratiate themselves to the ESG plan.

02:12:42.780 So that's part of it as well.

02:12:44.740 And then you have this whole layer of senior vice presidents who instead of they hop around, they don't like go up through the ranks.

02:12:52.260 And so they become more like celebrities than they do actually people that come in and understand the business.

02:12:57.320 Why would you come in and work really hard for two years to understand this new business, figure out where to cut, where to invest and make money when you could just come in and hold the town hall?

02:13:06.560 And isn't it great?

02:13:07.460 Oh, we're going to train on this and that.

02:13:09.220 And they get pats on the back from the top down and they sit there for a year and a half and then they go on to another company.

02:13:15.280 And that's how they build their career.

02:13:17.640 So the entire business leadership hierarchy has been corrupted by this idea that they need to fit in.

02:13:24.080 The pronouns is just their little initiation, the way they can tell people apart.

02:13:28.640 And that's why there's so much of it on LinkedIn.

02:13:31.040 That's like basically putting on your Yankees hat when you go to the stadium.

02:13:36.200 Like that's what it is.

02:13:37.740 And they gatekeep on it.

02:13:39.300 As we know, like the O'Keefe's got it on videos.

02:13:43.320 They absolutely do this stuff and it's horrifying and they can't change it.

02:13:47.260 The ship doesn't turn on a dime.

02:13:49.580 To your point, you go look at people who are unqualified for jobs.

02:13:53.920 Go look at who's running Boeing and go look at his background.

02:13:56.840 Why would you have an attorney, someone other than an engineer running an airplane manufacturer,

02:14:02.700 a company that makes commercial airliners, that makes, I think, the bulk of their business is done in the military industrial complex.

02:14:10.440 So they're funding our military and our military aircrafts.

02:14:13.940 Is he a revolving door guy?

02:14:15.900 Is that what he is?

02:14:16.880 Yeah, but still, even before him, a lawyer.

02:14:19.600 You look at who's running the Fed.

02:14:22.320 Do you know Joe Rome Powell's not an economist?

02:14:25.040 Did you know that?

02:14:25.640 He's actually a lawyer.

02:14:26.940 Go figure.

02:14:27.680 Another lawyer ruining America.

02:14:30.600 It seems to be the trend these days, Mark.

02:14:32.560 If you go to law school, you can go find yourself in some sort of institution that you do not belong in.

02:14:38.700 You're not practicing law, but running a company that you know absolutely nothing about.

02:14:43.860 And those days of these people, you go look at, like, the guys who used to run, I'll use banks for an example,

02:14:50.800 because my father spent a lot of time in banks.

02:14:52.700 Citibank, Sandy Weil, a banker, ran the thing for years.

02:14:56.220 And then you start bringing in people who don't know banks.

02:14:59.280 Vikram Pandit went in to run Citibank.

02:15:01.100 He was a hedge fund guy.

02:15:02.660 He ran the place into the damn ground and needed a bailout from the government.

02:15:06.180 You go down the list of people.

02:15:08.240 I want to go off on a little tangent here.

02:15:09.980 In 2020, it was like the first time you mentioned Reddit a lot.

02:15:13.800 And I had no idea what Reddit was.

02:15:15.760 But now I must admit, when I'm in need of an answer or something, I often find myself on Reddit because you find yourself looking for getting responses from people who are like-minded people like you or give an opinion on things that you need or whatever.

02:15:32.680 And you can go on there for anything.

02:15:34.040 You can ask, what's a better TV?

02:15:36.300 And I used it recently to buy a new TV.

02:15:39.520 But going back to Reddit, in 2020, it was the first time in my lifetime we saw the small man win.

02:15:46.320 And for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, there was a subreddit channel called WallStreetBets.

02:15:52.960 Oh, yeah.

02:15:53.840 And it was just a group of young guys who knew nothing about WallStreet, knew nothing about the markets.

02:15:59.060 They were gamers, I think, in fact.

02:16:01.640 They knew about video games.

02:16:02.820 But they go on this thing and they start a Reddit subchannel about placing bets on WallStreet.

02:16:08.060 And every single day, these guys would convene.

02:16:10.280 And they literally got it to a point where they were driving companies either up or down.

02:16:17.980 And now these are a group of people who, like I said, know nothing about it.

02:16:21.480 And the guys on WallStreet, they couldn't – they were pissing them the hell off because these are the guys who went to Harvard.

02:16:26.860 These are the guys who went to Yale.

02:16:28.680 These are the guys who went to – sorry, Mark.

02:16:30.240 But these are the guys who went to Penn.

02:16:32.180 I didn't get anything out of it.

02:16:34.400 These are the guys, Mark, who are making millions.

02:16:36.760 They're smartest guys.

02:16:38.160 And they're getting their asses beat by a bunch of idiots.

02:16:41.840 And I don't mean idiots.

02:16:42.720 These guys are brilliant, in fact.

02:16:45.160 But in their eyes, idiots who are just going out there trading for fun.

02:16:49.000 So I get into WallStreetBets.

02:16:50.940 And, you know, I have a –

02:16:53.140 Are you holding GameSpot?

02:16:55.760 I never owned GameSpot.

02:16:57.140 I'm going to tell you about one.

02:16:58.500 And the audience will appreciate this one because Lou was involved in this one.

02:17:02.240 So I tell Lou about this.

02:17:03.740 And Lou would often call me and ask my advice on stocks.

02:17:06.800 And now I did a fair amount of reading.

02:17:08.680 And I'd give Lou – I must say, every stock I've given Lou, it made him a lot of money.

02:17:13.600 So I call Lou one day and I say, all right, I've got our next stock.

02:17:16.560 And he goes, what is it?

02:17:17.320 I go, Bed Bath & Beyond.

02:17:19.040 Looks at Bed Bath & Beyond.

02:17:20.120 He goes, it's $4.

02:17:21.440 You look at the financials of this company.

02:17:22.820 This thing's a financial ruin.

02:17:24.160 And so I call my dad who's in Wall Street.

02:17:25.800 I said, Dad, what do you think about Bed Bath?

02:17:27.220 Stay the hell away from it.

02:17:28.460 Stay the hell away from it.

02:17:29.240 All right.

02:17:30.000 So I call Lou.

02:17:30.640 I go, all right, Lou.

02:17:31.500 I just bought X amount of Bed Bath & Beyond at like $4.

02:17:35.340 Lou goes, all right, you know what, partner?

02:17:36.780 You're in it.

02:17:37.240 I'm going to be a good sport.

02:17:38.680 I'm in it with you.

02:17:40.100 Little did I know, Lou bought a little bit more than I did.

02:17:43.020 So we buy this damn thing and we watch it, Mark.

02:17:46.500 We go from, maybe it was $2.

02:17:48.120 We watch it go $2 to $4, $4 to $7, $7 to $10, $10 to $11, $11 to $15.

02:17:55.440 This was in 20, it was during COVID.

02:17:58.300 It had to be 20.

02:17:59.120 Okay.

02:17:59.860 So we watch it, Mark, go all the way until almost $60.

02:18:05.420 And Lou always used to have this saying, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

02:18:09.720 Yeah, right.

02:18:10.200 Lou being the smart man he was, he sold it at $50.

02:18:13.020 He took his profits, yeah.

02:18:14.220 I waited for it to make a little correction and come down to $25.

02:18:17.640 And I finally sold mine.

02:18:20.080 But he did teach me a valuable lesson.

02:18:22.280 Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

02:18:24.440 Well, it's at $0.25 right now on the bulletin boards.

02:18:28.240 So you're okay, right?

02:18:30.120 We made it out alive.

02:18:32.680 But ever since then, Lou would call me and say, all right, partner, what are we buying today?

02:18:36.300 What are we buying?

02:18:36.780 And I go, Lou, I don't got money like you do, but I'm going to put $100 in this.

02:18:40.820 I'm going to put $1,000 in this.

02:18:42.140 But it was the first time in my life where people started understanding what goes into a market.

02:18:48.620 People started understanding the whole cryptocurrency.

02:18:51.400 I'm still learning cryptocurrency.

02:18:52.920 And I'm going to admit I'm a neophyte when it comes to it.

02:18:56.040 But like anything else, I want to learn.

02:18:58.320 And I continue to learn it because I truly don't understand the whole cryptocurrency thing.

02:19:01.760 I'm an investor in it pretty heavily.

02:19:03.900 But what's dangerous is you don't need to understand.

02:19:06.320 Right.

02:19:06.660 Well, that, you know, I made 15X back in 2016, 17.

02:19:10.580 And I haven't touched it since.

02:19:12.440 Well, I don't know.

02:19:13.360 I think I was talking with you about it, about the kid who, 12-year-old kid before school one day, he started up a cryptocurrency and robbed everybody for 30 grand.

02:19:23.900 And he got on the thing and flipped the birds off to everybody and went to school.

02:19:27.560 $30,000 richer, 12-year-old kid.

02:19:29.420 And as he gets off there, a bunch of guys go on and drive the thing up to $5 million.

02:19:33.860 Funny.

02:19:34.400 But back to 2020, it was the first time where I got to see firsthand the small guy winning.

02:19:41.720 And I don't care about these corporations, to be honest.

02:19:43.860 I don't care if they all go out of business because they do nothing for America.

02:19:47.680 I mean, they cause more harm than they're worth.

02:19:50.540 Obviously, we'll always have banks and institutions like that.

02:19:52.940 But some of these world corporations, I couldn't care less if Amazon went out of business.

02:19:56.420 I'd find a different way to go buy things.

02:19:57.980 I couldn't care less if Walmart went out of business.

02:20:00.820 Wouldn't ask the government to bail them out or save them.

02:20:02.900 Well, this is where it overlaps politics.

02:20:05.020 There's definitely a critical mass that a company gets to beyond which there's no creative destruction.

02:20:11.700 And that's not good for anybody.

02:20:12.960 It's like, who could challenge Amazon right now?

02:20:14.940 Like, Amazon's a great company in e-commerce, but maybe it could be better.

02:20:19.660 There's no chance.

02:20:20.660 Nobody's going to get rid of it.

02:20:22.560 And now they can buy their own political mouthpiece and lobby the government.

02:20:27.220 And so what you need is a more hostile, pro-American, pro-middle-class government to come in and figure out, like, what is being non-competitive here?

02:20:35.160 That's what they're supposed to be doing.

02:20:36.420 They never really did that.

02:20:39.460 Yeah, I'd like to see a lot more creative destruction.

02:20:42.420 But can you imagine what's going to happen to Amazon and Walmart with a 25% tariff on goods from China?

02:20:48.300 Yeah, wow.

02:20:49.140 Like, we might be seeing that soon.

02:20:51.440 I can't wait.

02:20:52.780 You mentioned about challenging Amazon.

02:20:55.040 And I'll disagree with you probably for the second time since meeting you.

02:20:59.500 With that logic, Mark, back when you want to talk about Zillennials and Millennials, I remember the days of going to Toys R Us and buying toys, right?

02:21:07.160 You can't find a Toys R Us on the market anymore.

02:21:09.180 That was the toy made.

02:21:10.580 You couldn't challenge Toys R Us.

02:21:12.660 They had a lock on everything.

02:21:14.060 Circuit City was another one.

02:21:15.360 Circuit City used to go there and buy car radios and this and that.

02:21:18.620 Best Buy is another one who's not doing as well as they could.

02:21:21.120 J.C. Penney, a clothing retailer that has been around forever, is probably going to be down the tombs any year now.

02:21:28.740 We need people like Elon Musk to come out here.

02:21:31.460 It's the people with the money.

02:21:32.860 You know, it doesn't get much simpler than that.

02:21:35.200 It's the people who have the money and the resources to do it.

02:21:37.540 The issue with Toys R Us, for instance, though, is that Toys R Us didn't necessarily die, like people said, because Amazon killed it.

02:21:46.580 It obviously had a challenging business model.

02:21:48.980 It could have corrected, but it died because people like Mitt Romney came in and purchased the company and saddled it with debt and focused it on leveraged real estate instead of actually selling toys in order to harvest money for private capital.

02:22:04.960 That's a problem.

02:22:05.900 The problem is once you get to Amazon, like they're subsidizing the e-commerce business with Amazon Web Services.

02:22:12.920 Those two businesses probably don't belong together.

02:22:15.060 I don't know why they're there.

02:22:16.700 It makes it really hard for anybody to compete.

02:22:18.880 But then if you're a public company and you get over a certain hump, the money is just free.

02:22:23.100 You just print more money.

02:22:24.280 People buy the stocks.

02:22:25.680 You can make any, you know, and that's something that like startup capital is a lot of trouble.

02:22:31.180 Like to somebody to compete with Amazon, they're going to be building massive distribution facilities everywhere.

02:22:37.900 I don't know.

02:22:39.060 It's a mess.

02:22:39.860 Oh, how did the hell?

02:22:40.920 How did we get here from Reddit?

02:22:42.900 I wanted to say something about Reddit because Wall Street bets.

02:22:46.440 But real quick, when you before you get to Reddit, I have to say this because you mentioned Amazon.

02:22:50.140 Amazon for everyone who's listening on audio.

02:22:51.920 Amazon's the one who hosts our audio podcast.

02:22:54.420 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:22:55.540 No, no, because I'm going to give Amazon.

02:22:58.060 I don't.

02:22:58.720 You want to cancel us.

02:22:59.720 Go ahead, Amazon.

02:23:00.420 I'm not going to bow down to you, but I am going to give you guys credit because back when Lou was hosting it, we also were on Amazon Art 19 hosting us.

02:23:08.700 And I have to be honest.

02:23:10.060 You guys have never censored anything we've said.

02:23:13.120 You've never taken down anything we've said.

02:23:15.140 You've never tried to suggest we do X, Y, or Z.

02:23:19.180 So I have to give credit where credit's due.

02:23:20.880 You guys have been nothing but great to us.

02:23:23.660 You continue to be great to us.

02:23:25.740 And, you know, you bring us advertising and you do things and you've never sort of censored us.

02:23:30.920 So, you know, if they were doing to the adverse, I don't care if they'd kick us off the platform.

02:23:34.300 I'd come out here and say what they were doing.

02:23:36.460 Well, you made me feel bad.

02:23:38.880 So now I have to make it.

02:23:39.680 No, there's nothing.

02:23:40.360 No, no.

02:23:40.800 Now go and look at what Jeff Bezos does on the other side.

02:23:44.000 Well, I'm just saying Amazon hosts us too.

02:23:47.360 So thank you, Amazon.

02:23:48.580 You also did not shut us down.

02:23:49.980 I don't – I think your Amazon web service is great.

02:23:54.160 I don't think it's an e-commerce business.

02:23:55.840 You should probably separate those.

02:23:57.580 Please stop sending more and more products to China because that's their business model.

02:24:02.180 And finally, I will forever hate them for what they did to Wheel of Time, my favorite fantasy series.

02:24:08.620 Inconscionable how dirty they did Robert Jordan, and I despise them for that.

02:24:12.820 So back to now that we've got that off of our chest, what were you saying about Reddit?

02:24:19.040 Oh, Reddit is the biggest sleeper problem.

02:24:21.500 Everybody, you know, they dragged Mark Zuckerberg up on the Capitol Hill, and they talked about all the shadow bans he's putting on people on Meta.

02:24:28.100 We have a shadow ban as well.

02:24:29.380 I'm pretty sure.

02:24:31.020 Censorship's horrible.

02:24:31.840 But everybody's overlooking Reddit because I don't think I could design a better intel agency honeypot if I tried, and I'm not making any accusations.

02:24:41.160 I'm just saying that it has a lot of very interesting content, all of the best content if you have specialized interests.

02:24:47.400 I'm on a lot of subreddits there I think are very interesting.

02:24:49.840 And yet they have a method of anonymous moderation that is heavily utilized to craft narratives and indoctrinate people into ideologies and get them off on, like, some pretty bad tracks.

02:25:05.500 Just saying.

02:25:06.040 And I think we know – I'm not going to say for a fact.

02:25:11.000 I want to speculate, though, that people say that the second biggest political subreddit, one of the anonymous moderators may have been Ghislaine Maxwell, just saying.

02:25:21.200 Oh, my goodness.

02:25:22.500 So that's where we're at.

02:25:24.600 And it's like, you know, maybe that's just one data point.

02:25:29.480 But Reddit's one of the biggest websites on earth.

02:25:31.360 It has a very big reach for young children, maybe not as much as TikTok.

02:25:39.760 I think a lot of bad stuff is on there.

02:25:42.040 Right.

02:25:42.420 And everybody – nobody cares.

02:25:44.980 They forget about it.

02:25:46.180 They don't talk about it.

02:25:47.540 I think Reddit helped Trump win in 2016.

02:25:51.280 I think that's a massive story.

02:25:52.520 I say that to people tapped into the political spheres, and they say, no, it didn't.

02:25:56.580 What are you talking about?

02:25:57.200 I never heard about that.

02:25:58.520 Look at you.

02:25:58.980 Like, Wall Street bets.

02:25:59.880 They're literally – they are using stocks as a weapon to attack major hedge funds.

02:26:07.340 Let me talk about it.

02:26:08.060 I love it.

02:26:09.160 I love it.

02:26:09.600 I think it's absolutely brilliant.

02:26:10.440 I just was looking up because I was – I remember seeing it somewhere.

02:26:13.880 Serena Williams, a famous tennis player.

02:26:15.460 Her husband is the one who started Reddit.

02:26:17.720 So for everyone who doesn't know that, Serena Williams is actually, what I've been told, a closeted Trumper.

02:26:23.020 So we love Serena for that.

02:26:25.200 A great American tennis player.

02:26:26.140 Alexis Mahanian, right.

02:26:27.500 Yeah, Alexis Mahanian.

02:26:28.300 But no, I mean, it's – you know, it is a dangerous thing.

02:26:33.080 You know, if you stay on there too long, you could find yourself going down rabbit holes.

02:26:37.020 And for anyone who loved Lou, know what Lou thought about rabbit holes.

02:26:41.220 But it does give people the freedom to, you know, get an answer that's unbiased or get two sides of an opinion or, you know, things that you don't get by, you know, turning to Fox News or turning to the Wall Street Journal or turning to –

02:27:01.400 Daily Mail is one that I read every single day where I think they do an excellent, excellent job.

02:27:06.580 You know, you don't get that kind of thing.

02:27:09.020 So when Elon Musk came out and said on election night, you are the media, he's right.

02:27:13.900 We are.

02:27:15.020 You know, you – we were on an election night and we were doing election night coverage.

02:27:18.880 And we had numbers, Mark, faster and data faster than they did on Fox News.

02:27:25.300 Now, how is it possible that two low-budget operations are able to get election numbers and poll numbers and analytics out faster than a multibillion-dollar organization?

02:27:35.220 New paradigm, totally new paradigm in media consumption, totally new public discourse and dialogue like we talked about.

02:27:45.180 The people who don't embrace reality are on the ropes right now and they're going to regroup and we'll see what that looks like.

02:27:50.940 But I have no idea how it's – it's not blue sky and it's not Reddit.

02:27:56.640 Reddit's its own kind of little walled garden.

02:27:58.480 I think there was something special about the Trump part of Reddit in 2016.

02:28:06.020 But I seriously have no idea.

02:28:08.520 They've lost the mainstream media.

02:28:10.160 I don't think cable news will ever be relevant on the left again for years and years, maybe ever.

02:28:15.860 They don't have a Twitter replacement.

02:28:17.860 They're not going to create one because blue sky is cringy.

02:28:20.340 And they all know it.

02:28:21.440 They all come back, every single one of them.

02:28:24.480 So, yeah, like that's – we're a totally new paradigm.

02:28:27.760 Think about it.

02:28:29.920 I can't think of a social media outlet, Mark, that I'd want to go to without hate.

02:28:34.260 I like the hate.

02:28:35.040 I like when people hate on me.

02:28:36.120 I like hating on other people.

02:28:37.920 It's, like I said, what makes for good conversation.

02:28:40.580 It's what makes for fun.

02:28:42.020 Going on there and telling Mark Cuban he looks like Rosie O'Donnell, that's fun for me.

02:28:47.200 You know, the fact that you're going to come out here and censor someone for saying something you don't like.

02:28:53.680 I mean, there's a term for it.

02:28:55.360 I can't say it on here.

02:28:56.500 I think everyone knows what I'm thinking.

02:28:58.580 But, I mean, is that, like, where we've come to?

02:29:02.280 Like, men are just so hesitant and scared to hear, like, what other men have to say about them.

02:29:08.080 Like, I think it's funny when someone curses at me.

02:29:11.120 I think it's funny when someone says something demeaning to me because I look at them and I'll say it back and I'll laugh at them.

02:29:16.420 But I'll say it back, but for these beta males, Mark, Mark Elias, this big old tough guy, he wants to go out there and do all this election stuff and be a big tough guy.

02:29:25.820 Yeah, my favorite's Olbermann.

02:29:29.460 Olbermann, another one.

02:29:30.600 These guys are not tough guys, and I'm not a tough guy myself, but, like, you go out there and you're a keyboard warrior and you're a big old tough guy and then Blue Sky comes along and they say, oh, you can go on Blue Sky and nobody will hurt your field.

02:29:43.280 I'm going to go look at nature pictures on over there.

02:29:47.280 Come to Blue Nature.

02:29:48.440 It will embrace you.

02:29:49.420 It will hug you.

02:29:50.160 It will hold you.

02:29:50.960 This guy's mean.

02:29:52.120 We'll point it out and tell you, this guy's mean.

02:29:54.920 Who the hell wants that?

02:29:56.440 I don't know a woman who wants that, Mark.

02:30:00.560 You got to unleash your inner Plato.

02:30:02.640 What I tell these people, you know what makes them maddest, is my favorite, is that I don't block anybody.

02:30:08.440 If you come to my feed, I will look at what you say if I have time and engage with it.

02:30:13.920 But if what you give me is a logical fallacy, what I tell them is you just turned yourself into content, son.

02:30:20.580 Like, you just turned yourself into content.

02:30:23.680 But, like, you know, with the Mark Cubans of the world, I love to try and keep myself to, like, listen, I know he looks like Rosie O'Donnell.

02:30:30.180 I know the glasses are ridiculous, but I want to make it about something he said three weeks ago that he now is internally inconsistent with.

02:30:37.400 You know, I want to register with them.

02:30:40.100 Yeah, I know.

02:30:41.660 Well, that's how that's where the ratios come from.

02:30:44.180 That's what I'm saying is, like, somebody said, oh, Mark Cuban said this.

02:30:47.500 Oh, the very next reply makes him look like a total clown because he just like that's what he's got.

02:30:53.820 No self like awareness of it.

02:30:55.920 He's that's the thing that's crazy to me.

02:30:57.960 I feel like getting to Mark Cuban is through the telling him he looks like Rosie O'Donnell because it's funny.

02:31:03.600 It's hysterical.

02:31:04.160 Well, not I, you know, I say don't do the name calling, but they've gotten to that level where you the intellect and the logic mark doesn't register in their head.

02:31:12.540 When you hit them with the fact and you tell them it's X and Y and they come back and give you a whole bunch of nonsense.

02:31:20.480 That's when I resort to saying you look like Rosie O'Donnell and this is like Dylan.

02:31:26.720 No, because you can't get to their head any other way aside from insults and telling them how stupid they are.

02:31:33.660 And so that's the point at which I resort to name calling when I've hit when I've hit the wall across the penumbra.

02:31:41.860 And, you know, and I can't get through them by saying what you're saying is lying with this woman, my friends and who who messaged me on Instagram.

02:31:49.480 I'm going to have to start hitting her with insults now because I've hit the point where nothing I say registers.

02:31:56.420 No, Matt Gaetz did not go to Trump University.

02:31:58.420 No, Matt Gaetz was never convicted of any sort of underage acts with girls.

02:32:03.820 No, President Trump is not a rapist.

02:32:05.660 No, President Trump's not a fascist.

02:32:07.860 It's like there's no other way to get to them.

02:32:11.540 There is one.

02:32:12.220 I'm trying to find it for you.

02:32:13.380 I might have brought this up before your vacation.

02:32:17.940 I don't know.

02:32:18.480 Really great.

02:32:19.220 This is one of the best things I read all cycle.

02:32:21.640 It's a Wall Street Journal article, opinion article.

02:32:24.820 David Mamet, Decline and Fall of America.

02:32:28.120 Not yet.

02:32:28.560 People just go look it up and read it.

02:32:30.560 And the key piece of information there is that the most psychologically damaging thing that you could say to somebody that's integrated into the left is that you're going to be ostracized.

02:32:39.900 You're going to be pushed out of the herd.

02:32:41.380 You no longer belong.

02:32:42.560 You aren't the majority anymore.

02:32:43.960 There aren't strength in numbers.

02:32:45.780 And I'm trying to figure out, like, what does that mean in real life?

02:32:49.920 But I would love to get there with you and figure out how to weaponize that on Twitter.

02:32:56.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

02:32:57.300 And, I mean, you're a lot more well-behaved.

02:32:59.840 I see all your tweets.

02:33:01.080 You're a lot far more well-behaved and mature than me, and that's fine.

02:33:04.800 You know, it is what it is.

02:33:05.780 I don't care.

02:33:06.440 But I just – I've, like, lost tolerance.

02:33:10.420 And I don't even get mad about it.

02:33:11.980 I – when someone writes me a hateful message or something, I laugh.

02:33:15.900 I think it's funny.

02:33:16.760 And as I'm sitting there at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning like an unhinged person sending out hateful tweets to people, I'm sitting there laughing.

02:33:24.980 So just know that, people.

02:33:26.080 I'm not sitting there to see them.

02:33:27.080 Like, no, it's fun.

02:33:28.540 And it's only, Mark, because they've driven me to that point.

02:33:31.860 They've driven me – and now Lou was the complete opposite.

02:33:34.160 Lou was always –

02:33:34.700 Oh, you're going after Harry Sisson here?

02:33:36.700 Oh, my Harry Sisson is another one.

02:33:38.500 And he's a kid and all, but –

02:33:40.580 Oh, the funniest thing.

02:33:42.360 Oh, man.

02:33:43.200 Somebody said this is what it would look like if Nick Fuentes and Destiny had a child, and they showed a picture of Harry Sisson.

02:33:51.440 I laughed at that for, like, a half hour.

02:33:54.100 Oh, my.

02:33:54.980 Nick – another psychopath.

02:33:56.660 Harry Sisson.

02:33:57.340 I think he's, like, a 14-year-old or 15-year-old kid, like, doing grinding videos with his buddy on TikTok.

02:34:04.180 Like, what is wrong with you?

02:34:06.060 That's not what 14-year-old kids do.

02:34:08.500 15-year-old kids do.

02:34:09.900 I mean –

02:34:10.340 Oh, yeah, you light these people up.

02:34:13.960 Oh, man.

02:34:14.520 I hope you're not looking at my Twitter.

02:34:15.740 But, you know, I just – I don't care.

02:34:17.760 And Lou was the complete opposite.

02:34:19.060 Lou would sit there and he'd say, ignore them, ignore them.

02:34:22.060 And I couldn't because I knew deep down, me and Lou were very –

02:34:25.520 I'm so mad you didn't get – you never got to meet Lou because Lou would absolutely love you.

02:34:30.240 And one of these days we're going to come up to –

02:34:32.220 Lou's wife has asked me to come up to church where you guys go to church and go to church with her.

02:34:35.860 So one of these days I'm going to go –

02:34:37.440 Even though I haven't been in a long time.

02:34:39.820 Chasing Buttigieg.

02:34:41.420 Oh, rightfully so.

02:34:43.240 That was a good one.

02:34:44.460 That was a good one.

02:34:45.840 You're a Chasing Buttigieg rip about the end of the cellpipe.

02:34:52.200 Oh, good.

02:34:53.400 You can read that one to the audience.

02:34:54.460 That was a good one.

02:34:55.640 Oh, okay.

02:34:56.380 Well, who's this guy, Stan?

02:34:58.680 Kushner hired a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law, recorded their sexual encounter,

02:35:03.760 and sent tapes to his sister, all in retaliation for his brother-in-law's cooperation with the federal investigation and other crimes.

02:35:10.300 Whatever.

02:35:10.800 Chasing Buttigieg says family values wins again because, oh, they're horrible family people, those Trumpsters.

02:35:17.880 Right.

02:35:17.960 Wait, I'm confused.

02:35:19.420 Is it Kushner's fault his brother-in-law fell for the banana in the tailpipe, or is it the brother-in-law's fault for cheating on his wife?

02:35:26.580 Help me out here.

02:35:27.440 I don't know.

02:35:27.960 I love it.

02:35:28.420 There's logic there.

02:35:29.340 You know, that was above court.

02:35:30.880 A little play on words.

02:35:32.640 Yeah.

02:35:32.940 Yeah.

02:35:33.340 You know, it's things like that, Mark, that I have a very interesting sense of humor.

02:35:38.720 And some of Lou's tweets that I have.

02:35:40.060 You're going after Mark Elias?

02:35:41.320 Oh, I have a blast with Mark Elias.

02:35:43.700 Some of them get picked up.

02:35:44.740 Some of them don't.

02:35:45.800 But Lou was the opposite.

02:35:47.180 He'd say, stop giving these people any clout.

02:35:50.500 You know, it was easy for Lou to say because he had two and a half million people on Twitter, right?

02:35:54.540 So anything he put two and a half million people would see.

02:35:57.420 And I'd say, Lou, I can't.

02:35:59.320 And it's because deep down I knew that younger Lou was identical to me.

02:36:05.040 You know, 78-year-old Lou was identical to me, too.

02:36:07.800 We literally saw eye and eye on pretty much everything, and that's why we got along so well.

02:36:11.800 But I know 30-year-old Lou was sitting there on Twitter, not that it existed, but sitting there angered and wanting to kill somebody.

02:36:21.360 And that's, you know, I'm looking at it a different way.

02:36:23.700 I don't want to kill anybody.

02:36:24.680 But, you know, it angers me.

02:36:26.240 So some of Lou's tweets, it was sort of funny.

02:36:28.520 I'd do some of Lou's tweets back in the day and send them to him for approval.

02:36:32.240 And he'd be like, I don't think we should do this.

02:36:33.880 And nonetheless, the ones that were, like, the hard-hitting ones, making fun of people, were the ones that would do, like, two million interactions and things like that.

02:36:42.480 It's because the people, you know, they didn't expect it from Lou.

02:36:45.880 He was a serious guy.

02:36:47.520 And hear Lou firing off a crazy tweet.

02:36:52.440 People were like, what the heck is this guy talking about?

02:36:54.860 What's this guy doing?

02:36:57.140 I'm going to be able to help you a little bit here.

02:36:59.780 The number one – you're going to love this.

02:37:01.600 The number one trick to being a reply guy is to use the following feed, not the for you feed.

02:37:07.920 Because by the time you see it on the for you feed, the tweet's so old that you're not going to ratio anybody.

02:37:12.660 How do I do that?

02:37:14.720 Okay.

02:37:15.260 You go to home.

02:37:16.820 And on the top, it says for you.

02:37:19.220 And that's the algorithm.

02:37:21.600 On the right, it says following.

02:37:23.760 Following is just a sequential list of anything the people you follow dump out.

02:37:29.720 So I follow Keith Olbermann because the second he tweets, I'll see it in the following, and I can be the first reply.

02:37:37.280 And then so if his tweet – yeah, if his tweet gets seen by 100,000 people, my reply is going to be seen by 50,000 people.

02:37:44.840 So this is the way to weaponize Twitter, and it will get you more exposure, and you get paid more too.

02:37:49.600 So you get paid to clown these people.

02:37:52.000 So, Jesus, you just created a demon.

02:37:55.520 You should have not just told me that because now I am going to go on a full-fledged hate spree with these people because I can't control myself.

02:38:04.520 And as Lou tried to help me –

02:38:06.020 You've ascended to the next level, Grasshopper.

02:38:08.260 Lou's in there angry as hell at Mark because he just taught me a new trick.

02:38:12.340 But I used to never be on Twitter, and I used to think it was like the dumbest thing in the world.

02:38:16.720 And now I find myself – before I even opened up Instagram, which used to be my vice, I find myself going to Twitter because it's just – you can see everything from like weather for the day to NFL injuries to at the same time, one tweet below, you can see Trump dancing, which has become my new favorite videos to watch.

02:38:35.800 It's just such a plethora of information.

02:38:37.680 I don't understand how people can't like it.

02:38:39.820 No, I know.

02:38:40.860 I wake up at 4 a.m. now, tweet for an hour, go back to sleep at 5 for like another hour.

02:38:45.220 Yeah.

02:38:46.240 Listen, I love Kane.

02:38:47.460 I love Citizen Free Press.

02:38:49.700 But it's like Twitter's got – you know, Kane's on Twitter, so like he gets it.

02:38:54.840 Yeah, and I often send you Twitter DMs and send you, you got to follow this guy, you got to follow that guy.

02:39:00.160 And it's like there's news sources.

02:39:01.900 I think one of them I follow is called Leading Report.

02:39:05.480 Leading Report.

02:39:06.520 I recommend everybody to follow it.

02:39:08.360 They literally have the news out like immediately.

02:39:12.340 Their latest tweet right now, as many as six Senate Republicans or perhaps more, currently hesitant to support Trump's pick, Pete Hegseth, to lead the Pentagon.

02:39:20.280 You're not reading that on Fox News.

02:39:22.080 You're not seeing that on – this is reported through NBC.

02:39:24.940 But, you know, you're not seeing it on the screen right there because you can send out a tweet like that and get it out there.

02:39:29.200 But, you know, it's things like this that are absolutely changing the world.

02:39:36.160 You know, they're absolutely – they're making life better for people.

02:39:40.260 They're making us not have to turn – you know how happy I am, Mark, that I don't have to turn on a TV anymore?

02:39:44.500 I turn on a TV one day a week, maybe two if the Knicks are playing, on Sunday, and I'll watch football.

02:39:51.220 It's the only thing I watch.

02:39:52.700 And people are like, what do you mean you're in this business and you don't watch television?

02:39:55.900 No.

02:39:56.740 Because what do I want to – I want to watch people on Fox News, two Republicans kissing each other's asses or a rhino.

02:40:02.280 No, it's a lot of sound bites.

02:40:03.320 It's in the ass.

02:40:04.040 Right.

02:40:04.560 Yeah, the real business is – I will give YouTube its due.

02:40:07.800 I know it's owned by the evil Google mothership, but YouTube is a phenomenal place and that's where I spend most of my non-Twitter time.

02:40:15.340 I love all the creators there because I do think a culture war was fought and won on YouTube in the last two years.

02:40:23.140 I think all of the woke stuff, the pushback started there, period, and in a way that I don't even think the entire conservative infrastructure knew about, used, weaponized.

02:40:34.260 Like you got the Daily Wire folks on there making a ton of money.

02:40:38.520 You got a lot of independent influencers that have really come up big, but it's the entire network, I mean, of everybody.

02:40:45.340 And it's like they do a stream.

02:40:46.760 Somebody goes on somebody else's stream.

02:40:48.720 It's all like joined ranks.

02:40:50.520 It's really crazy.

02:40:51.880 Yeah, they're total.

02:40:52.620 And I gave credit where it was due with Amazon.

02:40:55.360 I'm going to go out here and call it YouTube for being a bunch of pansy losers.

02:40:59.640 I think we're on our YouTube channel.

02:41:01.160 We've got two strikes on there, the third one we're off.

02:41:03.520 And I don't care.

02:41:04.380 I test it every single day because I don't care.

02:41:06.820 Go ahead and kick us off there.

02:41:07.740 We don't – I don't care.

02:41:09.120 I'm not going to cater to you and bow down to you.

02:41:12.220 And you know what the two strikes are for, Mark?

02:41:14.200 Medical disinformation.

02:41:16.000 Yeah, of course.

02:41:16.860 The only people I've had on this show and Lou had on this show to talk about, very few doctors we have on this show.

02:41:22.840 Dr. Harvey Reich is one of them, epidemiologist, undergrad at Ivy League schools, medical school, Ivy League schools.

02:41:31.440 That was one of them.

02:41:32.300 Dr. Oz, another one we've had on this show.

02:41:35.400 Maybe three or four doctors we've had on this show, all very, very –

02:41:38.420 Did he give you a strike for Dr. Oz?

02:41:39.860 I don't know.

02:41:40.520 I don't think it was Oz.

02:41:41.700 How old were those strikes?

02:41:43.060 That's wild.

02:41:44.340 Recently, last six months, Dr. Peter McCullough, another one, and Dr. Robert Malone.

02:41:48.700 I think they were the ones who got us the two strikes.

02:41:50.880 But I don't – I'm not going to sit here and apologize to you.

02:41:53.160 We have Rumble, which we do a good audience on, and this audio is – we do a massive number on.

02:42:00.280 But they censor us for medical disinformation.

02:42:05.500 So I asked YouTube – and I'm going to go ahead and find this after we do the show here.

02:42:09.300 I said, what part of it is medical disinformation?

02:42:13.040 If you can tell me what's medical disinformation, what was said by Lou, or if it was me at the time, what was said by either of us or what was said by the doctor, that is incorrect.

02:42:23.280 Because if something that was said incorrectly, I will go out here, and I will write a retraction personally and have Lou or myself read it on air.

02:42:32.300 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:42:33.040 We can't get into particulars about what it was about.

02:42:35.400 Well, I'm sitting here willing to admit a wrong, even though I know there was no wrong there, which is why I wrote that email.

02:42:44.140 Willing to admit a wrong, willing to accept responsibility for a wrong, and willing to correct a wrong, and you can't even tell me what was wrong about it?

02:42:51.680 Interesting, right?

02:42:53.660 Yeah, we're well in.

02:42:54.400 And now what you have is the report from the Congressional Committee to shove in their faces and say, oh, look at this.

02:43:01.960 Bipartisan Committee of People on Capitol Hill said X, Y, and Z.

02:43:05.780 So that's wild.

02:43:07.380 I think I've gotten one strike, and I think it was from putting Steve Bannon videos up.

02:43:12.620 They really hate that guy.

02:43:13.960 But we've never been.

02:43:15.220 In fact, YouTube has been our number one partner in spreading medical disinformation.

02:43:19.240 So I don't know how you guys got a strike for it.

02:43:20.960 But yeah, they've shown our vaccine polling to thousands and thousands of people.

02:43:27.940 You must have got hidden in the algorithms because they, I mean.

02:43:31.160 Yeah, we were fine under the radar, I'm sure.

02:43:33.260 But yeah.

02:43:33.500 It was two back-to-back, two back-to-back strikes within the matter of a week.

02:43:39.160 And they said, oh, that's horrible.

02:43:40.560 Your third one, you guys are out of here.

02:43:42.100 And I said to Lou, and Lou used to get mad.

02:43:45.020 And I'm like, who cares?

02:43:46.320 We don't need them any.

02:43:47.040 We do a very small audience on YouTube.

02:43:48.640 We just put it out there so that people can get it if they want to or whatever.

02:43:52.820 You know, some people don't like going to Rumble or wherever else we broadcast it.

02:43:58.080 But I mean, it literally just, it's crazy to think that when I go to you and say, what did I do wrong?

02:44:04.000 I'm willing to apologize for what I did wrong and make right what I did wrong.

02:44:08.780 And they come back and say, we can't tell you what you did wrong.

02:44:12.400 And that's when you know that you did absolutely nothing wrong.

02:44:16.880 Well, preserve your documents is all I have to say.

02:44:21.960 We've got to hope these guys, you know, we'll conclude with this.

02:44:24.780 We've got to hope these guys in this Congress and, you know, you're going to be responsible for this as much as I am, Mark.

02:44:31.240 We've got to keep the pressure on these people and I'm not saying like this is this is fair game.

02:44:36.440 We're going to like, hey, what's your what is your favorability rating of Google?

02:44:41.420 A respected scientist did a study that suggested that 21 million people had their minds changed up by Google, blah, blah, blah.

02:44:49.140 Is this a good thing or a bad thing for democracy?

02:44:51.340 Would you support or oppose a congressional investigation or an investigation by the Federal Election Commission into election interference by the Internet giant Google?

02:45:02.020 I mean, like these are valid questions.

02:45:04.280 I think we should pull on them and I don't have any hostility towards them.

02:45:10.020 Well, OK, but how can we live in a country, a representative democracy, when the largest corporate giants are credibly accused of election interference?

02:45:24.720 Right.

02:45:25.040 It's not going to work.

02:45:26.400 Yeah.

02:45:27.160 And, you know, the other thing I think we've got to keep our foot on the pedal on is you just mentioned election interference, the 2020 election.

02:45:33.980 I want to know what the hell happened, Mark, and I'm sure you do more than you did some numbers.

02:45:40.460 I want to know what happened in 2020.

02:45:42.440 I want to know why the Democrats got so many votes.

02:45:44.960 I want to know why it was the largest voter turnout in the history of the country under a country that was in lockdown order.

02:45:54.040 You know, I want to know how the most unpopular presidential candidate in the history of our country who campaigned from a basement turned out to be the most popular candidate.

02:46:03.980 in the history of this country.

02:46:05.820 There's things like that that I want answers to that I think as Americans, we deserve the answers to.

02:46:11.960 Yeah.

02:46:12.600 Yeah, we're going to get them.

02:46:13.860 I'm very positive on that one.

02:46:16.160 I've called for a National Election Integrity Commission.

02:46:21.720 I'm not sure what form it's going to take, but I've heard that they're talking about that behind the scenes.

02:46:26.020 I think accountability is coming.

02:46:27.140 I think people, multiple people attached to the Trump administration or campaign have said that there will be accountability.

02:46:35.060 Trump himself said, do not cheat in this election.

02:46:37.700 You will go to jail.

02:46:39.220 Chris LaCivita said, according about people in Bucks County, they will all be in jail.

02:46:46.100 And I think that people saw this coming.

02:46:49.940 I do think that there was probably an aspect of evidence collection that was happening.

02:46:54.280 And I can say from a public opinion standpoint, people think that 2024 was less dirty than 2020, although they still have some concerns there was cheating.

02:47:03.500 I think the number was in the 40s.

02:47:05.260 That's way better than the 66% who thought it was going to be stolen going into it.

02:47:10.380 Right.

02:47:10.680 Something very special about the 2020 election that completely lost everybody's faith.

02:47:16.280 And I do think they didn't – I think you've got two things going on.

02:47:19.720 I think you have the normal Democrat playbook, and then you also have, in 2020, ubiquitous mail-in ballots.

02:47:25.920 I think those two overlapped to create a perfect storm of Biden ridiculousness.

02:47:31.520 And we don't have the mail-in thing to the same extent, but you still have the traditional Democrat playbook, which I don't think got worse.

02:47:39.520 I think it's only getting better, and it will continue to be a problem.

02:47:44.420 Yeah, I will agree to disagree on the playbook.

02:47:46.860 I mean, this playbook, I thought they ran this last time, was asinine.

02:47:52.000 Kamala Harris, the – go back to Mark Cuban saying he didn't surround himself.

02:47:56.600 I'm not talking about the candidates.

02:47:57.540 I'm talking about all the stuff that happens underneath the grassroots, all the stuff that the sun don't shine on.

02:48:04.500 You're talking about the thievery.

02:48:07.300 Yes.

02:48:08.500 Yes.

02:48:09.140 Because of the candidates.

02:48:10.320 I mean, they couldn't have done any worse than they've done aside from the candidates.

02:48:14.720 I mean, the people they surround us.

02:48:16.360 Yeah, I think Newsom would have been laughable in his own special way.

02:48:19.180 I think Gretchen Whitmer would have been an embarrassment as well.

02:48:21.940 Like, I don't think any of them were great.

02:48:23.680 She was definitely a bad candidate, but to be honest with you, our polling and Biden's internal polling both showed that he was going to win or lose in a massive 400 electoral college vote landslide.

02:48:36.500 Apparently, her polling said the same thing, though.

02:48:38.300 The stuff that we heard leaked about the internal polling was – specifically, I think the Baldwin camp said, oh, she's down – she's down in – what's Baldwin?

02:48:51.060 Wisconsin or – I always mix it up.

02:48:54.120 Eric Havdy?

02:48:55.840 Yeah, yeah.

02:48:56.440 So that one, she was down in, and I'm like, oh, look at that.

02:49:00.480 That means my polling is to the left of – because I had him tied or Harris up.

02:49:06.600 So that was one of the first data points I had.

02:49:08.700 Wow, the Kamala Harris internal polling is to the right of Rasmussen reports.

02:49:14.000 And that's all we heard.

02:49:15.880 And then after the fact, David Plouffe came out and said, well, her internal polling never had her winning.

02:49:22.460 Doesn't mean how much.

02:49:23.700 I think it was probably something along the lines, probably a little bit to the right of us because I was about a half a point two left.

02:49:29.460 So probably accurate.

02:49:31.340 She was never going to lose – Trump was never going to win in this election more than 312 against her, I don't think.

02:49:38.280 So she saved the Democrats down ballot and got them 85 – whatever, 85 electoral votes.

02:49:47.280 As a crappy candidate, you know what I mean?

02:49:51.020 Like it's closer – it was closer than it should have been.

02:49:53.780 And everybody could say, oh, well, $2 billion and the actors didn't really buy him anything.

02:50:00.920 Well, maybe – like it wasn't her.

02:50:04.000 So you can –

02:50:05.720 Well, was it really her, Mark, or was it the thievery?

02:50:09.560 It was the Democrat game.

02:50:12.820 That's what it was.

02:50:13.740 And it's like you got to spend that $2 billion, but some of that money is going towards mobilizing nursing homes and bussing people from Chicago to Milwaukee.

02:50:26.020 Like they know what they're doing.

02:50:27.900 And the Republicans are getting better bit by bit.

02:50:32.660 But it's a different type of warfare.

02:50:35.320 It's – you're not going to fix it until the legal aspect is addressed.

02:50:38.600 You know, a state we talked about a lot in this election.

02:50:42.280 By the way, I want to point something out before I get to that.

02:50:45.280 Let me write that down before I forget.

02:50:47.260 But – the hell, it just slipped my mind.

02:50:52.800 Oh, we still have a race, Mark.

02:50:55.020 We're still waiting on one congressional race to be called.

02:50:56.940 Oh, dear Lord.

02:50:57.480 Tell me how a month after the election, nearly a month after the election, do we have a race in California?

02:51:03.340 Now, the one where another California race that – I think her name is Michelle Steele – hung up.

02:51:10.380 She was taking – she was leading, leading, leading.

02:51:12.560 Boom, all of a sudden she loses by a few hundred votes.

02:51:15.100 We now have one more race that's – was Republican, Republican, Republican – I think his name is Durante or something.

02:51:22.920 Yeah, yeah.

02:51:23.520 Durante is up, up, up, up, and now all of a sudden it flips.

02:51:26.940 And it's the last one we're waiting on.

02:51:27.920 Like, how the hell in America, a month after the election with a congressional district with less than a million people in it, are we still counting votes?

02:51:37.000 I mean, it's right before our eyes, and nobody's talking about it because it's only one seat.

02:51:41.480 But the one seat makes a difference because President Trump nominated a few people who are members of Congress to serve at various roles, at least to Fonick.

02:51:51.120 You've got Waltz.

02:51:51.940 You've got Gates leaving Congress.

02:51:53.260 I think you've got one or two more congressmen, which now puts it – if they lose all those seats, the Republican – on a one-seat majority.

02:51:59.940 So people may say it's only one seat.

02:52:01.920 They have a five – they have a six-seat majority.

02:52:03.420 It's not a majority.

02:52:05.580 Factually, it's – de facto, it's not a majority.

02:52:08.720 This tells me a couple things, okay?

02:52:12.440 First, I have conjecture, and then I have an assumption, okay?

02:52:15.800 The conjecture is that if Trump picked Matt Gaetz, Trump picked Cash Patel, Trump has a list of things that he's going to take a wrecking ball to, to quote words that other people have used.

02:52:30.740 I don't think a Trump, a post-2020 Trump, is not going to do something to address election integrity.

02:52:37.660 So I think that's coming.

02:52:38.980 What form will it take?

02:52:40.580 There's nothing he can do now.

02:52:42.280 There's nothing he can do about the California races.

02:52:44.220 They've only been in charge of the RNC for six months.

02:52:47.060 It's not enough time to clean house.

02:52:48.500 They don't have the resources.

02:52:49.740 They don't have the funding infrastructure.

02:52:51.240 They don't have control of anything in D.C. at all except for like literally the building of the RNC.

02:52:58.460 So I think that's coming.

02:53:00.200 And then the other is based on those picks, pulling people out of Congress, not bringing more attention to these congressional races, not doing more – in my opinion, they could have done more stuff to make sure that MAGA candidates were running.

02:53:14.220 To make sure they were being funded.

02:53:15.800 It didn't happen.

02:53:16.780 And so my assumption is, is that Trump's plans do not hinge on legislative wins.

02:53:23.380 Yeah.

02:53:24.540 Not what he's – it would be great to have.

02:53:27.900 But like obviously he's going to be focused on executive orders and cleaning up the apparatus.

02:53:37.760 And I don't know what kind of laws are going to come up.

02:53:40.660 They're probably going to need to.

02:53:42.600 But if the House and Senator deadlocked for the next year or two, like is that such a bad thing?

02:53:48.100 I don't know.

02:53:49.180 Yeah.

02:53:50.080 Yeah.

02:53:50.420 You know, as I was talking to my father, he said it's actually not the worst thing in the world to have a deadlocked Senate when it comes to the markets.

02:53:55.940 So if you look at it from one way –

02:53:58.320 The thing I had mentioned before was New Jersey coming into play.

02:54:05.700 And I see you talking about it.

02:54:07.300 And I hammered you on it a bunch of times as we spoke before the election.

02:54:11.420 I kept saying I think New Jersey's in play.

02:54:13.420 I think New Jersey's in play.

02:54:14.380 New Jersey's in play.

02:54:15.080 And you told me it's not in play and I have to admit you –

02:54:17.760 It wasn't in play.

02:54:18.320 It's still not in play.

02:54:19.460 No, I understand that.

02:54:20.700 But you had said it brought up a good point on Twitter.

02:54:23.360 And you had said if the Democrats say Arizona and Georgia and Florida are in play, then New Jersey is in play.

02:54:28.460 And New Jersey is going to be a swing state.

02:54:30.020 Oh, yeah.

02:54:31.220 But you look at guys like Scott Pressler and he doesn't get enough, I guess, credit for what he's done in Pennsylvania.

02:54:38.140 And some people say he single-handedly won Pennsylvania for Donald Trump.

02:54:42.100 Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but I think a lot of numbers suggest that you err on the side of that's probably mostly true.

02:54:51.500 Antonio Brown has him up for an award.

02:54:53.640 Antonio Brown, the football player, as Cracker of the Year award coming up on December 27th.

02:54:59.780 There goes the race again.

02:55:01.640 New York Post has him as this headline, How a Long-Haired Gay Giant Helped Trump Flip Pennsylvania Red.

02:55:08.740 I want to be Cracker of the Year.

02:55:10.880 How do you get that award?

02:55:12.720 You know, Antonio Brown, you reach out to him.

02:55:15.160 He's just speaking of, you know what?

02:55:18.040 Nobody thinks it's racist.

02:55:19.380 It's funny.

02:55:20.040 It's a joke.

02:55:20.840 It's hilarious.

02:55:21.820 And you don't be allowed with it, right?

02:55:23.640 You know, only the blue-haired liberals would get upset about something like that.

02:55:26.900 Yeah, they would be offended for me.

02:55:29.180 Exactly.

02:55:29.860 Exactly.

02:55:30.400 How are you not offended?

02:55:31.300 How do you have any self-respect, Tom?

02:55:33.720 All right.

02:55:34.260 Here's the math.

02:55:35.140 Well, you said that one thing about New Jersey and Arizona.

02:55:38.060 I think that's a very good point.

02:55:39.500 Arizona went Trump.

02:55:40.480 I think the final number was five and a half.

02:55:42.840 New Jersey went Harris by 5.9.

02:55:45.620 Yeah.

02:55:45.980 So if you draw the line for battlegrounds at 5%, neither Arizona or New Jersey are battlegrounds.

02:55:53.820 But hold on one second, real quick.

02:55:55.700 Sorry to interrupt you.

02:55:56.660 And everyone gets mad at me.

02:55:57.760 They tell me I speak in soliloquies and I interrupt too much.

02:56:01.280 But I have a question.

02:56:02.480 How much did Joe Biden win New Jersey by in 2020?

02:56:07.000 16 points.

02:56:08.280 Okay.

02:56:08.660 So now you look at a factor of 16 in 2020 and you look at a factor of 5.

02:56:13.180 How, as a brilliant pollster, and I'm not saying this is a joke because I think you truly are one of the smartest pollsters there is out there, aside from being one of the smartest people I have on the show.

02:56:22.160 So how do you look at it when you see it move by a factor of two times to Trump's favor in four years?

02:56:31.220 What do you see it moving in another four years?

02:56:34.660 The way I would look at that is you've got to separate the electorate versus the public opinion.

02:56:43.880 And they're connected, right?

02:56:45.340 But they're two different variables.

02:56:47.100 And it's harder for me to predict electorates.

02:56:50.560 But what I like to do is see what shifts over time.

02:56:54.100 And that part is totally up in the air.

02:56:57.240 We have no idea.

02:56:57.980 We'll get some early ideas based – but Trump is not in office.

02:57:01.460 We don't know how his administration and its policies are going to be perceived.

02:57:06.060 We'll probably start doing Vance matchups against generic Dem or a full field of all kinds of weirdos in like the summer.

02:57:16.300 That will be our first read, okay?

02:57:17.760 And so if it's like, wow, the Trump administration is cooking and Vance is picking up a lot of support, then I think you're into the discussion that, okay, like New Jersey is in play.

02:57:31.200 And then now we have – I don't know what his budget is going to be looking like.

02:57:35.100 But if you have Scott Pressler working on New Jersey the entire time for four years, I mean, I would love to see him work for two years and see what that does to state legislature there and stuff like that because I would love to see a lot of the nanny state garbage they've done rolled back.

02:57:50.060 But 6% of 9 million people, okay, it's less than that because of the electorate.

02:57:56.400 So let's call it 8 million.

02:57:57.540 So there's 480,000.

02:57:59.340 That's what the margin was roughly in votes, okay?

02:58:02.820 Pressler could probably make up.

02:58:05.100 I don't know, half of that, two-thirds of that just by registering people over the next couple of years.

02:58:10.980 It's just a matter of money.

02:58:12.820 So, yeah, New Jersey is in play.

02:58:15.600 Absolutely.

02:58:16.600 And it's like, okay, Trump's got to do his job and we'll see how that works.

02:58:22.240 And there will be responses to this.

02:58:24.680 Democrats aren't just going to sit back and let it happen.

02:58:26.740 But it's just as in play as Arizona is.

02:58:30.220 I think they've got no choice to play.

02:58:31.860 The crazy thing, you keep mentioning money about Scott Pressler.

02:58:34.560 I think Scott runs like a low, low, low, low budget operation just on crowdsourced funding.

02:58:42.800 I think his early vote action is his pack.

02:58:46.240 I mean, I didn't see the RNC dumping millions of dollars into Scott Pressler's operation yet.

02:58:50.460 I did see Scott Pressler posting pictures every single weekend at state fairs, which, I mean, is unbelievable that he was managed to help Trump by going to state fairs.

02:59:02.640 I mean, you think about it as someone who's a politico like myself and like you and you say, how is that even possible?

02:59:08.840 Yeah, he's a force of nature and he's clowning the Republicans.

02:59:12.960 I don't know.

02:59:14.020 I haven't looked at the FEC filings, but I'm just going to guess.

02:59:17.180 If you took that $2 billion that the Democrats spent this time, there's probably another billion we don't even know about.

02:59:24.300 What's that?

02:59:25.320 Kamala Harris has it in her bank account.

02:59:26.980 Oh, yeah, well, there's that, but, you know, so then out of that $2 billion, they probably spent, I don't know, $500, $600 million is my guess on grassroots, mobilization, door knocking, canvassing, vote collection, mules, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:59:44.400 How much did the Republicans spend on that this time?

02:59:47.260 The number has to be like $50 million, $100 million, maybe $100 million.

02:59:53.620 Maybe the Democrats are outspending the Republicans five to one, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was higher.

02:59:59.480 I have no idea, but it's not a lot because D.C. controls where the Republican money goes.

03:00:04.620 The Senate controls where the Republican money goes.

03:00:07.160 The Koch brothers, like all the Club for Growth, Elon, Bill Ackman, you know, look at how much money Trump raised after 2020.

03:00:18.220 It went towards election integrity, but it didn't because of Ronna McDaniel.

03:00:23.860 So what happens if that money gets funneled into things that Republicans have not traditionally spent money on?

03:00:29.640 That's what I'm interested in seeing because, in my opinion, that's the two upsets.

03:00:33.280 Election Integrity Commission rejigger the entire conservative fundraising infrastructure, and they got to do it.

03:00:40.280 Like, it can't just be pie in the sky.

03:00:42.680 They can.

03:00:42.960 If they can rejigger, as you like to put it, our election integrity, I don't even mean rejigger it.

03:00:49.280 I mean just get these states to start following the laws, right?

03:00:52.320 Simply follow the law.

03:00:54.180 If they can get our immigration issue under control, if we get legitimate censuses drawn in 2030,

03:01:01.100 there's no reason the Republicans shouldn't win elections every single year and not get blown out.

03:01:06.260 But it's going to come down to the Republicans with a backbone forcing, and this is where Elon Musk comes into play, forcing these weak-kneed rhinos.

03:01:16.460 I invite everyone to go look at the senators up for re-election in 2026.

03:01:22.600 They've got to go, some of these folks.

03:01:24.660 Mitch McConnell, one of them.

03:01:27.600 Rhinos across the damn board.

03:01:29.960 We've got to stop normalizing it.

03:01:32.300 You know, the John McCain's of the world, he's gone.

03:01:35.380 It's over.

03:01:36.200 This is the Trump party.

03:01:37.200 This is the MAGA party.

03:01:38.860 We've got to stop normalizing this bullshit.

03:01:41.920 Go look at these senators.

03:01:43.660 That's what's normal.

03:01:44.900 You started this whole segment talking about Duarte.

03:01:47.960 Okay?

03:01:48.620 Go to Heritage Action for America.

03:01:50.300 His voting score is 41%.

03:01:52.540 Right.

03:01:53.540 The average House Republican is 74%.

03:01:56.620 So he is an establishment Republican guy, totally not aligned with MAGA at all, and he lost.

03:02:03.700 Right.

03:02:03.780 But he shouldn't have lost by stealing.

03:02:05.740 He should have been lost by Republicans growing a pair and getting him the hell out of there.

03:02:11.780 He shouldn't have lost by losing.

03:02:13.360 Now, I often say this on the show, having a Democrat is the same thing as having a rhino.

03:02:18.000 They're not there when you need them, and they vote the party lines the other time when you don't need them.

03:02:21.500 So it makes absolutely zero difference if you have a Democrat or a rhino.

03:02:25.420 But what I mean is it's got to come down to, Mark, the voters saying enough is enough.

03:02:31.620 It's got to come down to people like you and I educating them and saying this is where they lie.

03:02:36.860 This is where they stand.

03:02:39.500 I'll never forget, Lou sent me out to go do a man-on-the-street interview on January 3rd of 2021, days before January 6th.

03:02:49.080 And it was before the runoff election of Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue.

03:02:53.740 So the question Lou had me asking them, not about the election, why are we down here supporting two rhinos?

03:03:01.020 And I'm like, Lou, you're going to get me killed by these people who are there for a Trump rally.

03:03:05.080 And he goes, no, I want you to ask that question.

03:03:06.740 And he never told me what questions to ask.

03:03:08.340 I would go to him and say, this is what I'm going to ask.

03:03:10.460 And he aired every segment on Fox Business.

03:03:13.140 And he said, I want you to ask them, why are we here supporting two rhinos when we should be supporting a president who just had an election stolen from them?

03:03:20.060 And I'm like, all right, Lou, you know what?

03:03:21.100 I'm going to ask you because you're my boss.

03:03:22.300 But he was just trying to get me beat up.

03:03:24.680 And Mark, not one person rebuffed me.

03:03:27.440 Not one person said, well, you can't be thinking like that.

03:03:31.500 You know, nine out of ten people sat there and they were taken aback and they said, you know, you're actually right.

03:03:38.640 You're actually right.

03:03:39.700 And this is why Lou was so damn brilliant.

03:03:41.940 And I miss talking to the damn guy every single day because I got smarter as the days went on.

03:03:45.940 Now I'm getting dumber as the days go on.

03:03:47.580 But, you know, we have to stop normalizing.

03:03:50.760 And there was nobody like Lou, Mark.

03:03:54.000 And I say all the time, I wish you got to meet him with holding these people accountable.

03:03:57.460 Lou would go out there and he made more enemies than he made friends.

03:04:00.640 But it was the right enemy to make the Lindsey Graham's of the world.

03:04:03.760 Lou never liked Hannity once a week.

03:04:05.760 Yeah, no, he he was very clear about who he didn't like.

03:04:11.660 There was no ifs, ends or buts.

03:04:13.160 There was no him calling behind the scenes to President Trump saying, you've got to get rid of this guy.

03:04:17.080 Lou went on air.

03:04:18.020 He had a problem with Kirsten Nielsen, the Department of Homeland Security.

03:04:20.920 He went on air and called her out for all her nonsense.

03:04:23.200 And President Trump was at the border the next day with her and said, Ann Coulter doesn't like you.

03:04:28.280 And by the way, Lou Dobbs, eat your guts.

03:04:30.380 This is a new story that you can go read that apparently he said to Kirsten Nielsen.

03:04:35.940 He went out there and he said it how it is.

03:04:37.840 And there's nobody like that.

03:04:39.180 Hannity's of the world.

03:04:40.460 Yeah, Hannity's a nice guy.

03:04:41.540 He's a good guy.

03:04:42.540 But putting Lindsey Graham on air every single night, what is that doing?

03:04:46.280 That's normalizing this behavior that we're talking about that should not be normalized, Mark.

03:04:52.360 Yeah.

03:04:53.000 I don't like is it even Hannity normalizing Lindsey Graham or is it Lindsey Graham normalizing Hannity?

03:04:59.200 Like that's you know what I mean?

03:05:00.320 Like they are normal.

03:05:01.920 That's the problem.

03:05:03.300 And there needs to be a new change.

03:05:06.100 There's a lot of great people working on changing conservatism in America and building a new MAGA infrastructure.

03:05:12.700 The problem is, is that they're all independent actions and they're like they go on Bannon.

03:05:18.460 That's the problem.

03:05:19.320 It's like you got like the precinct strategy guys.

03:05:22.840 They are right.

03:05:23.980 That's a great strategy.

03:05:25.160 They've been working on it for years.

03:05:26.600 It's going to take another 20 years.

03:05:28.520 That's great.

03:05:29.280 But how does that become a centerpiece of the Republican Party who says like, hey, Republicans across the country, we're at the top now.

03:05:40.160 And this is the way the wind's blowing and you're not going to be hostile to these guys anymore.

03:05:44.660 And we're going to get somebody in every single one of those seats.

03:05:47.080 Right.

03:05:47.660 Same, same thing for vetting, same thing for public opinion, same thing for grassroots.

03:05:54.120 Like you've been to CPAC probably.

03:05:56.240 It's a bunch of independent organizations just knife fighting each other for scraps.

03:06:00.400 And what really happens is all the money goes to a tight club of folks that just put the same direct mailers out and massive like no bid contracts year after year.

03:06:11.060 And it doesn't work.

03:06:11.660 Like I'm I'm making enemies here, too.

03:06:13.620 Like they do more than that.

03:06:15.320 But it hasn't been working.

03:06:16.840 Voters say it hasn't been working.

03:06:18.500 You talked about how great Mike Lindell was.

03:06:20.400 Republicans wanted Mike Lindell to be in the RNC chair because they trusted him, period.

03:06:24.940 They knew that he was going to change.

03:06:26.380 They wanted Harmeet Dillon second after him.

03:06:29.060 Nobody wanted Rana.

03:06:30.180 And that's exactly what the Republicans gave the Republican voters.

03:06:32.980 Oh, here you go.

03:06:33.860 Same old crap.

03:06:35.080 And we don't have that anymore.

03:06:36.960 And so it's like that's step one.

03:06:39.600 There's got to be 50 other steps.

03:06:41.260 I don't know what they are.

03:06:42.420 And I don't know who's thinking about that.

03:06:43.940 Trump's going to have his hands full.

03:06:46.400 Hopefully, Laura Trump, Michael Watley are up to the task.

03:06:49.280 I don't know what kind of people they're going to employ and work with.

03:06:54.440 Yeah.

03:06:54.800 Here's a solution to it.

03:06:58.000 And I'm no brilliant strategist, but I've been in this business.

03:07:02.720 It's really the only thing I know aside from knowing how to fly a plane, which I probably don't even know how to do anymore.

03:07:08.200 But the normalization comes from the Fox News of the world.

03:07:11.960 It comes from the CPACs of the world, the Newsmaxes of the world.

03:07:15.080 And I'm not saying these are bad organizations for, you know, a lot of them provide good things.

03:07:19.240 CPAC provides a lot of money to folks.

03:07:21.380 Newsmax is the alternative to Rhino Fox News.

03:07:23.400 But having these people on air, giving them a platform, allowing them to come to spew out, allowing Lindsey Graham to go on Sean Hannity's show and give out his email, his website to donate money.

03:07:38.440 That's normalization.

03:07:40.080 That's allowing these folks to think it's okay.

03:07:43.640 Sean Hannity says he's a Republican, and I don't dispute that he's a Republican.

03:07:48.200 But why is Sean Hannity going out there knowing Lindsey Graham's not a good guy?

03:07:54.080 Hannity loved Lou.

03:07:55.720 I mean, absolutely loved him.

03:07:56.840 And he knew Lou's opinion on Lindsey Graham.

03:08:00.320 And he knows how smart Lou is and how good of an instinctive character he had.

03:08:05.200 Why is Hannity?

03:08:06.280 What is Hannity getting out of it?

03:08:07.900 He doesn't need the money.

03:08:09.680 There's got to be a deeper reason of why he has him on.

03:08:12.620 He's horrible on TV.

03:08:14.760 Nobody cares to watch Lindsey Graham.

03:08:16.380 The guy's total milquetoast.

03:08:18.780 Comes to the table with nothing.

03:08:20.520 He goes on Fox News, talks foreign policy, and tries to start a new war each and every time he's on.

03:08:26.000 Why is Sean Hannity?

03:08:31.180 And I'm only using Sean because he constantly has Lindsey Graham on.

03:08:34.820 There's far worse Republican senators, but those folks you see on MSNBC.

03:08:42.480 I saw, what's his name?

03:08:43.840 Is it John Bozeman of Montana?

03:08:45.840 I think it was on with Jonathan Karl.

03:08:49.160 And he said something like, oh, I'm fine with Christopher Wray staying.

03:08:53.080 It makes sense.

03:08:54.140 He's a Democrat.

03:08:54.760 He's on ABC with Jonathan or whatever the hell.

03:08:57.820 Yeah, right.

03:08:58.360 It makes sense.

03:08:59.920 But you've got Hannity sitting there propping up Lindsey Graham.

03:09:03.620 It makes you think.

03:09:04.740 Lindsey Graham, also known as Lady G.

03:09:09.420 It makes you think, you know, what is Hannity getting out of it?

03:09:13.560 Why is he doing it?

03:09:15.400 And I'm not making any slights at Sean.

03:09:17.260 I want Sean to be a good guy.

03:09:19.180 But why?

03:09:19.400 There's innocent explanations.

03:09:21.920 I don't know what all of the explanations are.

03:09:23.960 You probably know better than me, but the two off the top of my head are like they're either really close friends or there's an aspect of like differentiation where it's like, Hannity, I've been in the business forever and I can get these big names to come on and other people can't.

03:09:38.760 That's the only thing I can think of.

03:09:40.820 You brought up a really valid, like great point, though, about Newsmax, Fox News in general.

03:09:46.540 It's like understanding the inside, the behind the scenes, the change, the infighting, the restructuring.

03:09:54.180 That's kind of ugly stuff that you might not want to put as your first step forward.

03:09:58.160 And maybe some people, maybe some boomers like watching the cable.

03:10:01.920 They just want to see that the Republicans have their act together.

03:10:05.500 And the truth is they don't.

03:10:07.160 And we all know it because we watch independent news sources and we're tied to political circles.

03:10:13.640 But maybe that's not what you run with on primetime news.

03:10:16.320 I don't know.

03:10:16.900 Maybe just some people can't handle it.

03:10:18.960 So I'll tell you about one of your theories and why it's incorrect.

03:10:24.320 The fact of getting a big guest, believe it or not, Mark, these guys can reach out to anybody.

03:10:30.780 And when we worked for Lou, if you reached out to a guest, they heard Lou Dobbs, they'd run.

03:10:37.320 I mean, they literally, if you asked them for 100 bucks, 200 bucks, 300 bucks to get up, which I've told people actually do this.

03:10:43.680 They are bribed and get money through backdoor channels.

03:10:47.200 I never personally witnessed it happen on any of Lou's shows because if Lou didn't like somebody, you could have given Lou a million dollars and he wouldn't have had you on.

03:10:54.820 But these guys can get any guest.

03:10:56.860 When Tucker calls, when Lou calls, when Hannity calls, they run.

03:11:01.360 So the big guest idea, and I'm not even sure Lindsey Graham's a big guest anyway.

03:11:05.680 No, he can't be good for the ratings.

03:11:07.740 I'd take the damn guy.

03:11:08.960 What's his name?

03:11:09.640 Is it Kennedy out of Louisiana?

03:11:10.960 The guy who's always doing the funny stuff?

03:11:14.040 That's Kennedy, not Cassidy.

03:11:15.300 I mean, over Lindsey Graham, not for nothing, I'm tired of having politicians.

03:11:19.780 That's why I don't have politicians really on the show anymore, because it's the same old BS.

03:11:25.060 What do you get out of him?

03:11:26.100 Hillbilly Ranch on Rumble saying, Hannity is a rhino neocon.

03:11:31.240 Biggest problem is the traitor neocon Republicans.

03:11:33.800 You know, it may be the case.

03:11:35.580 I don't know, but it makes you wonder why.

03:11:39.980 You know, if you love President Trump that much and you love the Republican Party so much, why are you helping it self-destruct?

03:11:47.200 And I encourage every single person, and I hope Mark does, polling on every single one of these states for 2026.

03:11:55.680 But now is the time, folks.

03:11:56.700 Now is the time for 2026.

03:11:58.820 We're in just over a month, just under a month, rather, we're going to be in 2025.

03:12:04.180 You've got to start supporting candidates.

03:12:06.500 The only way to get these people out is to primary them out, and don't think that someone's too big to go.

03:12:12.140 Eric Cantor was the third or fourth most powerful person in Washington and got ousted by a nobody.

03:12:18.840 It can happen.

03:12:20.400 It will happen.

03:12:21.900 You just have to put your money where your mouth is.

03:12:24.280 Don't give money to these people.

03:12:25.740 $5, $10, don't.

03:12:28.520 You know, they're not helping your calls.

03:12:30.040 Go on conservative.

03:12:32.620 What was the site you were on to see the ratings?

03:12:35.420 You can go on Heritage.

03:12:36.620 Heritage Action, yeah.

03:12:37.860 Heritage Action does a very good job.

03:12:39.640 Look at what these people are voting on.

03:12:41.180 Just because they have an R next to their name doesn't mean they're Republicans.

03:12:44.580 A lot of times it actually means they're rhinos.

03:12:46.940 I mean.

03:12:47.760 Yeah, people are looking where to sink money.

03:12:49.820 Like, go watch Steve Bannon.

03:12:51.520 Find a cause you like.

03:12:52.820 Put it behind 10x the vote.

03:12:54.180 Put it behind Turning Point.

03:12:55.360 Put it behind Scott Pressler.

03:12:57.300 Yeah.

03:12:58.800 Maybe someday in the future.

03:13:01.220 Like, maybe the RNC now.

03:13:02.840 I think they did a good job this time.

03:13:04.200 As good as can be expected.

03:13:07.040 With what they had to work with.

03:13:08.660 Yeah, right.

03:13:09.200 Exactly.

03:13:10.120 Rana spent every dollar on Botox.

03:13:11.900 I mean.

03:13:12.460 You go.

03:13:13.480 That's.

03:13:14.000 And I'm not.

03:13:14.640 That's not even a joke.

03:13:15.640 You can't sue me for that.

03:13:16.700 Because it's actual.

03:13:17.640 Yeah, I remember seeing that.

03:13:18.700 Oh, look.

03:13:19.500 They were spending on decorations and flowers.

03:13:22.820 It was the tune of hundreds of thousands.

03:13:24.980 When Lou saw it, man, his heart dropped out of it.

03:13:28.580 I mean.

03:13:29.120 He was furious.

03:13:31.560 They were spending hundreds of thousands on black car service.

03:13:34.140 On flower or floral arrangements.

03:13:36.960 On supplies at the damn Staples.

03:13:40.160 I mean.

03:13:40.500 The most absurd things that they were wasting.

03:13:43.060 And they were.

03:13:43.380 Scott Pressler staying at like Motel 8s.

03:13:45.800 Right.

03:13:46.240 I saw him post a video.

03:13:47.440 And like a Motel.

03:13:48.780 Buddy, I wouldn't go.

03:13:49.640 I wouldn't stay at a Motel 6 for my own safety.

03:13:52.740 And I have before.

03:13:53.940 But I wouldn't now.

03:13:55.520 You know.

03:13:55.860 You'd probably catch me not going away.

03:13:58.240 But that's where the money is being spent, folks.

03:14:00.520 When you guys are donating to these campaigns.

03:14:04.120 And it all goes into a big funnel machine.

03:14:06.500 And I don't think Rana McDaniel was spending $300,000 on office supplies.

03:14:11.940 I think there was probably a backdoor funnel.

03:14:13.440 No pun intended.

03:14:14.120 That was coming back into her and getting the money back somewhere.

03:14:18.480 These people don't get rich on $200,000 a year, as we've all seen.

03:14:21.980 There's another flow of money coming from somewhere.

03:14:25.220 And, you know, you just got to follow the trail of money.

03:14:27.960 But these folks, a lot of them are savvy and sophisticated with how they're doing it.

03:14:32.380 But now people are starting to finally pick up on it.

03:14:34.400 But to my point, stop giving to the RNC.

03:14:37.760 Stop giving to these big institutions.

03:14:39.760 Give to the individual candidate.

03:14:41.160 The dollar goes a lot further.

03:14:42.600 And primaries are healthy.

03:14:45.340 They weed out the garbage.

03:14:47.020 And if you don't do the primaries, you're going to be stuck with Susan Collins.

03:14:51.060 I think she's up for re-election in 2026.

03:14:53.620 Don't be fooled by it.

03:14:55.040 Now, I'm going to make a prediction because we've seen this happen in the past, Mark.

03:14:58.700 There's going to be a big vote.

03:15:00.940 Either her or Murkowski.

03:15:02.020 I think she's up in 26.

03:15:04.380 There's going to be a big vote.

03:15:06.040 Now, I don't know what it's for.

03:15:07.140 And I'm not Alex Jones because he's the guy who does these kind of predictions.

03:15:11.060 And I'm actually going to text Alex after this and give him my prediction.

03:15:14.400 Yeah.

03:15:14.880 So there's going to be a big vote that comes up in 2024, 2023.

03:15:20.980 I'm sorry, 2025 or 2026.

03:15:26.140 Early in 2026.

03:15:27.460 And it's going to be one that's going to be a make or break on something that Donald Trump wants to get done.

03:15:32.360 This is my prediction.

03:15:33.920 Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski are going to somehow be tiebreaker votes.

03:15:38.280 And they're going to bring this thing over the finish line.

03:15:41.760 And everyone's going to think Susan Collins is this great Republican.

03:15:45.620 She saved Donald Trump.

03:15:46.920 It's the same thing that Joe Manchin did.

03:15:49.780 And they're going to think that these people are great Republicans.

03:15:52.800 She saved Donald Trump.

03:15:53.580 And we just let off the gas and we let her go for another six years.

03:15:57.180 And that's exactly my prediction on what's going to happen because we see it.

03:16:00.880 The banana in the tailpipe, Mark, it's literally like brainless.

03:16:05.500 It's so easy to do.

03:16:07.140 And that's my opinion.

03:16:08.240 That's what I think is going to happen.

03:16:09.740 But we can't take our eye off the ball.

03:16:11.840 We can't take our foot off the gas.

03:16:13.460 They've got to go.

03:16:15.240 I think the new paradigm is going to see right through that.

03:16:18.300 We've got no choice, Mark.

03:16:19.660 Our country depends on it.

03:16:21.980 You get the last word here, my friend.

03:16:24.580 I don't even know how to cap this off.

03:16:27.060 We've been everywhere.

03:16:28.540 Parent your children right.

03:16:29.760 Put them on the step.

03:16:30.640 Give them discipline.

03:16:31.720 Keep your kids off Reddit.

03:16:33.680 Reddit's no bueno.

03:16:35.120 If you're going to run for Congress, don't take the deal.

03:16:39.680 You hire your own people.

03:16:42.420 Hey, if you're actually interested in running and you haven't been part of the precinct strategy, I will say this.

03:16:47.300 Just go out to your local meetings.

03:16:49.120 Just go say, hey, what's my local Republican Party doing?

03:16:51.480 Go to an event.

03:16:52.500 Go to the Democrat event, too.

03:16:54.180 Just kick the tires.

03:16:55.380 See what kind of issues they run on.

03:16:57.440 And I think you'll find it's like, oh, these people have no idea what they're doing, like most of them.

03:17:01.160 And so that might be an interesting way to spend your time over the next two years.

03:17:05.080 But we're going to be polling.

03:17:06.640 We're Rasmussen Reports.

03:17:08.180 We poll on not just elections but public opinion.

03:17:11.060 We talked a lot about it tonight.

03:17:12.200 There's going to be a lot more stuff to poll on.

03:17:14.860 I'm interested in how this whole thing plays out.

03:17:17.300 I hope we get to Inauguration Day safely without any false flags or anything like that.

03:17:22.780 And if people want to follow us, Rasmussen underscore poll on Twitter, RasmussenReports.com.

03:17:27.660 And we've got a YouTube channel, too.

03:17:30.340 Mark Mitchell, a great American.

03:17:33.100 And I encourage you guys all to follow.

03:17:34.620 This will probably be the last time Mark comes on the show, and I'll tell you guys why.

03:17:38.120 I texted Mark at 5 o'clock, and I said, are you going to be around 6 o'clock?

03:17:41.060 I'm doing a live stream.

03:17:42.300 I don't like to join the show.

03:17:43.920 I don't often do live streams because of issues like this.

03:17:47.800 And he said, how long are you going?

03:17:50.060 And I said, it'll only be about an hour.

03:17:52.140 So come on for 15, 20 minutes.

03:17:53.880 And Mark says, cool.

03:17:54.660 Send the link.

03:17:55.160 Sounds fun.

03:17:55.920 We're now going on three hours and 30 minutes, and 20 minutes or so is it we had Jake Lang

03:18:00.760 on the show.

03:18:01.260 So that means we're here for about three hours.

03:18:04.580 Do we still have any viewers?

03:18:06.060 Is anybody actually watching this?

03:18:07.440 We do.

03:18:07.880 We have a few hundred on Rumble.

03:18:09.340 We've got over 1,000 on Twitter, and we'll have this up on the audio version for everyone,

03:18:14.980 which is where we get a lot, a lot, a lot of views.

03:18:17.580 So we'll have this up.

03:18:18.160 Man, you're like going into Rogan territory.

03:18:20.860 You know, and I didn't do an episode yesterday because I'm sick as a dog.

03:18:24.140 I just came back from Morocco and Lisbon, Portugal, and I was sick as a dog.

03:18:31.520 And I think the show has to go on.

03:18:33.420 People were writing to me that they were concerned something happened to me.

03:18:35.840 So I said, let me put this to rest.

03:18:37.700 I'm fine.

03:18:38.600 I'm trooper-ing through.

03:18:39.740 I can barely swallow, but I'll make through.

03:18:42.300 And three hours later, here we go.

03:18:44.000 So Mark Mitchell, hang tight for just one second here, folks.

03:18:47.740 I hope you guys enjoyed our episode here with Mark Mitchell.

03:18:50.820 He's a great American, and his organization does a lot of great work, both for this country

03:18:57.760 and for the political causes that, you know, be it.

03:19:04.140 We need more people in this country like Mark Mitchell.

03:19:06.840 Folks, we'll see you right back here tomorrow for The Great America Show, where our quest

03:19:10.540 for truth, justice, and the American way continues.

03:19:14.020 Until then, may God bless you.

03:19:16.140 May God bless America.

03:19:17.600 And may God bless the great Lou Dobbs.

03:19:19.200 We'll see you right back here tomorrow, same time, same place.

03:19:22.420 We'll see you right back here.

The Great America Show - December 04, 2024

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