'IF I’M IN DONALD TRUMP’S SHOES, I'M NOT SURE I CAN TRUST ANYTHING THE FBI DOES,' SAYS FORMER FBI OFFICIAL KEVIN BROCK
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Former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center at the New York FBI, Kevin Brock, joins us on The Great America Show with Lou Dobbs to discuss the latest in the ongoing scandal surrounding the Deep State and the ongoing investigation by the Department of Justice into possible links between President Trump and Russia.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
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The week is progressing about the same as usual.
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President Biden's national security team has all but disappeared from sight.
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Secretary of State Tony Blinken remains out of public view, as he has for three or four
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The same is true for Biden's national security advisor, Jake Sullivan.
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You know, the same guy who wrote the phony Russian disinformation letter.
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Signed by 51 intelligence veterans who knew it was pure bull and a shield for Biden in
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And President Biden has just sent Ukraine another bundle of American money, about $16 billion
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And as Congresswoman Lauren Boebert says, there's no public accounting of all that taxpayer money,
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none whatsoever that Biden is shipping out to Ukraine.
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This is one of the craziest moments in our political history and getting crazier by the
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And it all starts with a Marxist-Dims takeover of our government and Joe Biden's puppet presidency.
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And then there's our economy's descent into recession.
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Don't forget, two consecutive quarters of contraction of our GDP, our economy, is the very definition
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And we were in recession in the first six months of this year.
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That coupled with almost double-digit inflation, a nightmare for millions of Americans.
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And the stock market is in bear market territory.
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That is, stocks have fallen 20% and more from their highs.
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If you've looked at your 401ks and mutual fund, you likely haven't been too pleased.
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The stock market has lost almost $8 trillion in value.
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And here is President Joe Biden in January of this year.
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The stock market, the last guy's measure of everything, is about 20% higher than it was when my predecessor
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It has hit record after record after record on my watch.
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Yes, this is the same guy who's driving inflation as well, with runaway federal spending, higher
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energy prices, crushing businesses, large and small, with higher interest rates.
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But Senator Klobuchar says a vote for the Marxist-Dims in these upcoming midterm elections could stop
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hurricanes, are you ready, from hitting Florida.
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And two, you've got leaders in Congress, like Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi, as well
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as there are Republicans that want to work with them, where we have been able to step
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And so, I think so many times people counted us out, but we want to make clear we've got
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And while we have clear disagreements, we don't want, if the Republicans take charge, a number
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of them have been talking about an abortion ban.
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We just did something about climate change for the first time in decades.
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That's why we've got to win this as that hurricane bears down on Florida.
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But none of that has stopped us from deciding we're going to put our differences aside and
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That is what that vote is today in the Rules Committee, where you're going to see a strong
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bipartisan support, a very good hearing for changes to the Electoral Count Act.
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The Marxist Dems have had complete control of the federal government for almost two years
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These Marxist Dems are dangerously indifferent to truth, and the destruction they visited on
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the whole country seems to not bother them in the least.
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They've done the same to our federal government.
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But it's rife with corruption, the FBI and DOJ are simply slaves to the Marxist Dems who
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control the Democrat Party and our puppet president, all aligned with the deep state and the mockingbird
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And the public trust in the FBI is understandably withering.
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And former FBI officials are all appalled at what we're witnessing.
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To take up the public's distrust now of the FBI and DOJ, our guest today is Kevin Brock.
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Kevin is a longtime veteran of the FBI, former assistant director for intelligence, deputy
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director of the National Counterism Center, and now head of the New Street Global Solutions
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Kevin, thanks for being with us here on The Great America Show.
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First, your reaction to all the controversy around that special master assigned to be the
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overseer of documents seized from President Trump's offices by the FBI in Mar-a-Lago.
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I think perhaps maybe Trump attorneys are now wondering if they, you know, be careful what
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Special Master Deary seems to be taking this quite seriously, as he should.
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There have been some allegations leveled back and forth about this search, which obviously
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And I've commented on in the past, I think it was too wide in scope.
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I think there's indications that the FBI seized more than what the warrant allowed them to
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The Trump camp is understandably pushing back against that.
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I don't think they're helping themselves when the former president makes statements such
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as he believes the FBI may have planted evidence or forgot or, you know, didn't take their shoes
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That doesn't help him in the court of public opinion, probably.
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Um, but the, the search itself invites enough questions to where I think it's a good thing
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I think he'll take it seriously enough to, to, uh, to address some of the concerns, um,
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on the Trump side and, uh, and I, and that will, I hope, uh, help get to the bottom and get
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some clarity around, uh, what a search that has essentially ripped this country apart politically.
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It has, and the polls, uh, already, uh, country divided, but the polls are showing that Biden's
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numbers are plummeting, uh, that the confidence of the American public and the FBI, uh, is at
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levels I never dreamed we'd see a few years ago.
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And then we see this special master, Deary, as you said, uh, it's, he, he seems like he
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is fully on board with the justice department and absolutely against the, the Trump team.
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He's, he asked the lawyers whether they believe the FBI lied about seized documents.
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Uh, he's carrying out, if you will, uh, interrogatories here, uh, rather than trying to make a judgment
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about the propriety of certain documents that were seized, it seems to me.
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Uh, and again, uh, there seems to be, uh, they seem to be zeroing in on the inventory of items
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that were seized and this, of course, includes, it's been generally characterized as, you know,
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11,000 documents, 1800 other items, um, classified materials, perhaps up to a hundred different
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Um, and, and I think there's some question as to what was seized precisely the Trump team
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and fairness wants to understand whether or not these things that were seized seem to
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line up with that, which they believe they had in their possession.
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That's given rise to the questions of whether there was other information, you know, put on
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And, um, the other thing, Lou, I'll say that I found fascinating was the special master
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basically inviting the Trump attorneys to make their case ahead of any potential charges or
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a trial that the president declassified these documents.
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Uh, the attorneys, I think, understandably demurred on that.
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The press made a bigger deal out of that as though they were, you know, they didn't believe
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I think it was more of a, um, litigation strategy that they didn't want to divulge the, their
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So it's a, it's fascinating the way it's playing out.
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And I'm not sure it should be quite as fascinating as it is, Kevin.
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Uh, this special master is operating in the interest of the prosecutors so they can see
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what the, uh, the legal strategies are of the Trump team.
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That would be wonderful if every, if every defendant would have to do that.
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Uh, but it's, it's, as I understand it, that's just not the law.
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And to have a special master again, Deary, uh, saying, uh, you know, shut up or, or, or put
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up, uh, prove your case, uh, and we, and giving what eight days to, to bring forward that case.
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And, uh, in my career as a journalist, uh, how about you?
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Yeah, I don't think any of us has seen anything like this quite play out.
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Um, you know, to your point, Lou, there, the, the Trump team may be having some buyer's remorse
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because obviously he was one of the, uh, special master nominees, uh, that they suggested, uh,
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when he was appointed, uh, you know, now they're finding out that, that perhaps they're getting
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harder questions that they anticipated, or, or maybe there's a perception that, uh, Deary
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Um, but, um, he's definitely not messing around.
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He's definitely holding attorneys, uh, feet to the fire.
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Um, I, you know, we'll see whether or not there are similar questions being posed to the
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DOJ attorneys that we don't have visibility into.
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And, you know, to your point, uh, about the issue of public opinion and his statements
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about the FBI framing him, we've got to, I think in all fairness, we've got to remind
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ourselves that president Trump has been the victim of FBI and DOJ frame ups from before
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his president, before he was even elected president.
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Uh, the Russian collusion, uh, hoax, uh, is, is, is there, uh, Michael Flynn was framed,
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uh, two, three Oh two, uh, agents with three Oh twos that were altered.
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I mean, this is, this is tough stuff and none of this is happening in a vacuum.
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Is it, uh, we've had six years of persecution of this president.
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And frankly, I can't imagine what the FBI would not consider doing, uh, to go after this
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And that, and that, and that saddens me to hear anybody say that you're, you are deeply
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respected, obviously, and as a journalist and that, and you, but you're articulating a
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perception that now has taken root in this country.
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Uh, and when I say perception, it's a perception that's grounded a lot in reality, just the things
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And I've commented extensively on this as well.
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My whole motivation is to make sure that the FBI doesn't lose the trust of the American
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If that's lost their effectiveness as an agency, uh, and a force for good in this country is
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I could not care less about individual executives inside the FBI acting in a way that they create
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And, uh, and that's what happens starting back with the whole crossfire hurricane.
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Uh, James Comey led team at FBI headquarters that, that first of all, opened up a case that
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was not adequately legally predicated crossfire hurricane.
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Secondly, ran with a discredited dossier paid for by Trump's political opposition.
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That should have been a red flag enough for them to not even go near it, but yet they used
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it, uh, largely by their own admission as basis for a FISA application to electronically surveil,
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And, and they lied to the court, uh, in, in doing that.
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At least one FBI employee is obviously proven to have lied to the court and others misled.
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But this is a travesty and, and, and you're exactly right.
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If I'm in Donald Trump's shoes, I'm not sure I can trust anything that the FBI does.
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Um, and, and he should be looking at everything very, very carefully and, and, and it's understandable
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I was just making the point that certain, certain statements that he makes, I don't think necessarily
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accrue to his benefits, but I don't blame him for having the concerns.
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He is the strongest president this country has had in memory.
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And he is all the stance, in my opinion, between us and almost certain authoritarianism on the
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I, I wish it were anything, but what it is here, uh, you talk about the importance of
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There's not a single person that I know of outside of the FBI and the DOJ who has committed
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wrongdoing of all the investigations that they've opened and pursued of all of the charges they've
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I, the perpetrators turn out time after time, after time to be officials of the department
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of justice, they turn out to be actually four consecutive directors of the FBI lying to the
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American people and FBI agents, uh, as you well know, uh, FBI agents.
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Now, it looks like that they're going to, I won't go this far.
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It looks like there could be an accounting for agents, uh, who abused the power of the agency
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Yeah, this is, uh, this is troubling on a number of fronts.
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Uh, to your larger point, we had this country convulsed because of inappropriate and a misuse
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of FBI authorities by James Comey and his team at headquarters, none of whom have been held
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In fact, they enjoy lucrative media contracts and book deals.
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Um, lower level, you know, people, the Kevin clients miss the world, not to absolve him.
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Um, you know, uh, are being held accountable and, uh, and, and being examined for what they
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did, but the leadership always seems to escape.
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Um, but I think it even gets a little bit worse, Lou, if, if, if you look at what's happened
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since the Russia collusion debacle was debunked and shown to be what it was, um, the perception
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continues to this day that the FBI is acting on behalf of a politically motivated department
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of justice led by Biden's attorney general, Merrick Garland in a, in a series of now well-known
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incidents that lead the American people, or at least well, or half the country to believe
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the American, that, uh, the FBI is pursuing the policies and political agendas of the Democrat
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party over Republicans, high profile arrests, emphasis on certain, um, you know, favored
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topics of criminality to the left and to the exclusion of, uh, or perceived exclusion of
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adequate investigation into things like the Antifa riots or Hunter, Hunter Biden's laptop
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or, uh, fire bombings of, of, uh, pro-life pregnancy centers.
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There seems to be an imbalance and that perception that, that is now, I've never seen it before in
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my professional career shortly in the FBI is, is a grave threat to this country.
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Agent Tebow tried to, to bury the case, uh, Hunter Biden has more protectors and law enforcement,
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uh, and the intelligence agencies than anyone would have dreamed.
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We know 51 former, uh, and actually in current, uh, veterans of the intelligence agencies themselves
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lied when they strongly implied, I'll put it that way and give them a break, uh, strongly
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implied that Hunter Biden's laptop was a, uh, it was evidence of a Russian disinformation campaign
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They shut down the public's right to know in this country, which I don't know of it ever happening before,
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Uh, we, and here we are four years into a tax evasion case and still no action on Hunter Biden,
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He is kind of, uh, committing, uh, drug crimes, gun crimes, you name it.
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They don't have to be FBI agents, uh, to understand that this is a, this is a moment in history
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that we, we had no idea would ever come our way.
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This is the stuff of, uh, of, uh, banana republics and totalitarian regimes in Eastern Europe.
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It has nothing to do with anything in America's bedrock heritage.
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Yeah, and you and I have been around long enough to recognize that inflection point
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You know, we, you know, politics, um, going back to the seventies, it was, um, it wasn't
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And it is driven by two or three major, um, issues that, that leave this country.
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And, um, and so we see things happening to where, uh, 51 former intelligence community
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executives, many of whom I know worked with consider friends signed on to an absurd letter,
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uh, written by Jake Sullivan to, um, to forestall campaign damage to Biden ahead of the election
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in, in 2020, um, probably even more disturbing than them just signing the letter is the fact
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none of them have modified their position or commented on that since, since then.
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And since we have learned that what they stated was objectively untrue.
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And also the attorney general of the United States, William Barr.
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He knew in that second presidential debate, the final debate of 2020, that former vice president
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Joe Biden was lying through his teeth to the American people.
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And he chose not to intervene, uh, incited policies of the DOJ on intervening during election.
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But what he did was to intervene with his silence, his acquiescence to what Joe Biden did, which
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is lie to the American people about it being Russian disinformation to lie about his lack
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of knowledge of Hunter Biden's business dealings with foreign companies and countries, uh, in
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the, in the, uh, in the interest of Joe Biden and his family, it's, it is rotten corruption
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And we can't get our law enforcement agents, agencies that we depend upon to enforce the
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And as you, as you said, there's only one party against whom the, the laws are being
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enforced, uh, and that is the Republican party.
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And in fact, they're not even laws, they're frauds and they are, uh, hoaxes.
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Uh, it's, it's, it's just obscene to think where we are.
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You bring up a very interesting point, um, and you're correct.
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It is department of justice policy, not to take an, an overt investigative step or public
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stance six or was it 90 days out from a major election.
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Um, you'll notice the Mar-a-Lago search was done on that 90th day.
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They just got it done that, uh, just in time, uh, to avoid that policy violation.
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Um, yeah, uh, the attorney general is going to adhere to that policy, but 51 former intelligence
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community, uh, executives aren't bound by that at all.
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Um, I would, I would love to see 50 former law enforcement, federal law enforcement executives,
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um, you know, write a letter expressing concern about the politicization of our criminal justice
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Uh, I think there's enough concern there to where people who have been in this arena,
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uh, would be articulate, would be fair articulators of that concern.
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Barr knew by the way, and I, and I neglected to say this, Biden knew, uh, almost a year before
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those presidential debates about the Hunter Biden laptop.
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He knew its contents and he knew, he knew, uh, that they were, they were not Russian, uh, disinformation yet.
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And interestingly, in September of 2020, he started talking to the media about his concerns
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Uh, talking about how difficult it could be to assure the integrity of an election that
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has this much mail in balloting twice as much as we had ever witnessed.
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And it's interesting too, to see that, that twice as much mail in balloting in 2020, uh, you
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would think it would have a very close, uh, correlation to the number of ballots that were
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In fact, those questions and didn't dispute ballots dropped by 20%, even as the number
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of ballots doubled, uh, it, it is, it is, uh, on its face, uh, assorted, uh, sickening affair.
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Yeah, I think that that, that sore point in particular still festers, um, in, in America,
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certainly with the people who, who voted for Donald Trump, I know there's a concern that
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right after the election, it seemed very, it seemed, uh, that the conclusion that there
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was no voter fraud was drawn very quickly without really looking at some of the probable
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cause or indicators of probable cause that of some malfeasance.
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Um, I'm not sure whether subsequent investigations have validated a theory of widespread, uh, election
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fraud that, that could have changed the outcome of the election.
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Um, and I'm not sure we're ever going to know that, but, um, there, we, we certainly got
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a wake up call in this country, uh, you know, on the heels of the COVID lockdown as to what
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kind of mischief is possible when, um, when voting becomes a little too easy.
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So shall we say, and, uh, invite opportunities for, uh, manipulation.
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And, and I, and I think if power shifts, we're going to see a renewed focus on trying to understand
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I think to your point, I think the only way we ever know the truth is if, uh, we see
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a sizable, sizable Republican victory in the midterm elections, particularly in the house,
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It's as I, as I look at this from, you know, from the standpoint of history, there's nothing
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Uh, we've had, uh, various instances of voter fraud, but we've never seen anything on this
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We do know, for example, that had, uh, according to the polling that if people had known that
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Biden's laptop was not Russian disinformation, I believe the number is 13, perhaps as high
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as 15% of those who voted for Biden would not have.
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And of course that would give the margin of victory to Donald Trump.
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Uh, and so we know that Barr changed history, no doubt about it.
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Uh, we know that the FBI participated in that as they sent out agents, uh, to, if you will,
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inform, if not intimidate, uh, big media, uh, big tech, uh, and social media to drop the
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story that was published on the 14th of October by the New York post.
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And I don't know where this all will lead the country, but my hope is like, I'm sure it is
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yours, that we will get a better understanding of what's required to right this many wrongs.
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We're watching the, with that question, I think you would agree, but we're losing the public.
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Our government is loose, has lost the public trust.
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Uh, what is in your judgment, the future for the FBI, for the department of justice?
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And I know that requires a lot of assumptions, but, uh, you're, I'd like to get your thoughts
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I have been giving this some thought and I think history actually might instruct us a little
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Um, but obviously there have been calls ranging from, you know, complete dissolution of the
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It's, it's corrupted its core, as Senator Grassley said, it needs to be changed fundamentally.
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You hear that from some politicians, but more from media pundits, uh, more lately, you've
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heard speculation that perhaps some defunding of the FBI is in order.
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Um, and, and then, and then others, maybe a little more moderated, look, we've got to
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I think at minimum reforms are always a good thing or looking at reforms are always a good
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The last time it happened in a major way was following Watergate, uh, when they held the
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church committee hearings back in the mid seventies.
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And they realized that the executive branch in this country was able to exercise powers
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to particularly electronically surveil people, uh, and, and monitor activities of, of individuals
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Ironically back there, more on, more on the left, the anti-war, the, uh, and the, um, and
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Um, and so that, that, that kind of, uh, motivated Congress to act to, to reform and rein in the
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powers of the executive branch and the FBI specifically, but not just the FBI, the CIA
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as well, because they were concerned about sanctioned assassinations.
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And so it, it, it, it generated a whole bunch of reforms for the FBI, most notably the institution
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of the attorney general guidelines, which just real quickly give the FBI their, their
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boundaries as to what's required before they can open up a case against, uh, an individual
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in this country and what, what is required, uh, to be able to show before you can do that.
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We understand what our, you know, where the lines are that we have need to color in, in,
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And so all of that was considered good and logical reform.
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I think now that we have seen a pattern of abuses linked to using government authorities,
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um, against political opponents, clearly motivated by political, uh, agendas there, that caused
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some calls for some, uh, introspection as well.
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And, and some adjustments to the attorney general guidelines that will allow greater oversight and
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internal controls so that things can't happen like they did under James Comey, where they just
00:29:40.080
decide, you know what, we're going to open up a case against Trump campaign officials, even
00:29:44.300
though we don't have adequate reason, uh, a legal basis to do so.
00:29:48.300
And then move forward to a special counsel investigation that went on with another, almost
00:29:54.640
two years of FBI investigation, a special counsel investigation and produce no evidence
00:29:59.700
of wrongdoing whatsoever on the part of the president.
00:30:02.340
But again, raise lots of questions about the conduct of the FBI and the Department of
00:30:08.380
I, I guess I, I would like you to know if you don't already, I've called for, uh, reform for
00:30:15.220
the Department of Justice and for the FBI, not its dissolution, uh, or simply eliminating
00:30:23.220
it, but taking out the national security division from the FBI.
00:30:27.980
It gives them far too much in the way of power that is too readily abused by any agency,
00:30:35.980
Uh, and I think it's a divide that has to be restored.
00:30:38.800
Uh, there was a time we saw that on wall street, uh, there was a Chinese wall between, uh, investment
00:30:44.220
banking, retail banking, uh, there's just human nature is what it is.
00:30:49.980
And we have to have police, internal police within the FBI.
00:30:54.200
Michael Horowitz, we now know actually, uh, did not act to curtail wrongdoing on the part
00:31:02.300
Uh, he was part of the problem instead of part of the solution as inspector general.
00:31:08.420
Well, I, I think that that's, um, you are, you're talking in ways that make, uh, logical
00:31:17.820
sense this, the need for reform is going to be acute.
00:31:21.300
I think, you know, the last time it was right after 9 11, when, uh, there was a pretty good
00:31:27.000
impetus, um, and in this, in this country motivation in Congress and through the, uh, the, uh, 9
00:31:34.460
11 commission to break out that national security, uh, responsibility from the FBI.
00:31:40.320
And they came within a whisker of actually doing that.
00:31:43.140
Um, there was a, uh, a promise by Robert Mueller at the time to create an intelligence directorate,
00:31:49.820
um, to, uh, more formalize the collection of intelligence that might help, um, you know,
00:31:58.320
interdict, uh, acts of terrorism before they happen.
00:32:02.280
And I was privileged enough to be the first assistant director of that directorate.
00:32:07.300
Um, I'm not sure it has fully lived up to its original vision and remit.
00:32:16.640
I, I would balance the, the, um, the, the instinct to pull that out of the FBI by pointing out that
00:32:25.100
creating another domestic intelligence agency doesn't necessarily solve the problems we're talking about today.
00:32:32.160
I think there's some fundamental root, um, guidelines that have to be put in place no matter who holds that mission
00:32:39.500
to make sure that when there's issues of politics involved, political campaigns, uh, political positions in this country
00:32:50.320
that are held passionately, that any governmental investigation of those things, uh, are, are really
00:32:57.760
tightly controlled so that, that they, the American people have the assurance that any investigation
00:33:13.960
I think we can implement those kinds of reforms.
00:33:19.680
I, I'm also, uh, this point, uh, very skeptical of what can be done, not simply because of the,
00:33:27.680
the, the organizational upheaval that has to be, uh, we have to go through, but because
00:33:34.300
of the politics, the politics of this thing are interesting to me because here we are with
00:33:40.360
Joe Biden, who is, I think it's fair to say, I want to ask you to comment on this, an impaired
00:33:46.340
Uh, he is, uh, a puppet for the Marxist Dems who are driving the democratic party farther
00:33:53.120
What I find interesting in this politically is that despite that alignment with the CCP,
00:34:00.060
with the dictatorships all over the country and authoritarian forces, the FBI seems to have
00:34:07.020
lined up, uh, and done the bidding of the, the Marxist Dems.
00:34:12.020
Uh, and I think if we did not have that extant reality, we probably would have an FBI that
00:34:19.220
still had its storied reputation and the regard of the American people.
00:34:25.920
Uh, it troubles me deeply as somebody who, you know, I gave 24 years of my adult life, my
00:34:31.080
personally, largely my professional life to the ideals of the FBI.
00:34:36.440
And I will say this, and I've said it before, the FBI is an ideal.
00:34:41.320
It's made up of people, but the ideal of the FBI is a treasure and needs to be protected
00:34:50.200
And, um, and, and that perception, there's a, there's a widespread perception in this
00:34:56.260
country right now, uh, that, that has, that ideal has been damaged and the FBI needs to
00:35:10.900
There's generations of leaders that pass through this institution.
00:35:15.720
Each leadership generation has a responsibility to protect that trust.
00:35:20.260
And insofar as they don't do that, then they are failing in their duties.
00:35:25.220
And right now we are seeing a cavalcade of investigative steps that lead reasonable people to believe
00:35:36.560
that one political agenda is being pursued against another using the powers of the department
00:35:42.800
I think of Joe Biden, Joe Biden, you know, he's got, if he didn't have two of his children,
00:35:51.000
Hunter Biden and his daughter with her, her diary, um, the, the, um, the American people
00:35:56.780
are, you watch things where the, the department of justice, you know, does an early morning
00:36:02.360
search of journalists who had access to actually Biden's diary.
00:36:10.500
They tried to return it and yet they still suffer a early morning search warrant to seize
00:36:17.360
a diary that is valued at most, probably $20 at Walmart.
00:36:23.300
It doesn't meet the guidelines for interstate transportation of stolen materials to be prosecuted
00:36:33.540
So these types of egregious oversteps by the department of justice, um, are, are troubling.
00:36:41.700
And insofar as the FBI goes along with that, uh, it damages the bureau ideal.
00:36:52.260
They do have independence from department of justice.
00:36:55.240
It is well established and they can exercise that.
00:36:58.380
They do not have to go operate in lockstep with, with a department of justice that has,
00:37:06.860
To that point, the idea that we have seen so many of these SWAT team raids, uh, men and women
00:37:14.280
in full tactical gear at 6 AM, uh, rousting 70 year old, uh, people, uh, uh, men, their wives.
00:37:24.240
Uh, it's just astonishing to me that those FBI agents would allow themselves to be used
00:37:31.360
in that ugly and unlawful, in my judgment, unlawful way.
00:37:35.760
We now are hearing from 20 whistleblowers for the, for the house judiciary committee, the
00:37:40.940
Senate judiciary committee that in fact, that in fact, the FBI not only had a portal and
00:37:48.480
a Democrat law firm, but that they were, they were absolutely, uh, being told to inflate
00:37:57.280
the public image of domestic terrorists, if you will, uh, white supremacist, uh, supremacist
00:38:06.040
terrorism, which was an entire, uh, entirely fabricated notion on the part of the seventh
00:38:17.300
Um, the, the emphasis on domestic violent extremists, as they call them, DVEs is a policy
00:38:24.320
agenda set by the Biden administration and the department of justice.
00:38:30.380
Each administration comes in, they'll have an emphasis on a crime problem that they want
00:38:36.240
Now, the Biden's folk, Biden administration's focus on domestic violent extremism is probably
00:38:41.140
a little more politically charged than what we've seen in the past, where administrations
00:38:45.240
will come in and say, Hey, we want to, we want to end gun violence or street gangs in
00:38:49.700
We want to, you know, have an emphasis on drug trafficking, whatever it is.
00:38:53.760
Um, but each time that is done, it does set an agenda where the FBI is oversighted by
00:38:59.540
Congress to show, uh, and the, and the party in power to show, are they aligning resources
00:39:08.960
Um, and that, that can have some legitimacy that said, to your point, the, it is never correct.
00:39:17.700
For the FBI to look for cases or inflate numbers and statistics to inflate agent resource,
00:39:27.060
our dedication to a certain crime problem artificially in order to satisfy, uh, an administration's
00:39:35.460
agenda or, or the Democrat party administration, uh, agenda in Congress, uh, that is never appropriate.
00:39:42.260
And there's always pressure to do that, but it always ends badly when that happens.
00:39:47.940
So, um, yeah, there's, there's, that's again, another straw that's on the pile of concern
00:39:54.660
among Americans that, that the authorities of the judicial system are being directed in
00:40:02.220
one direction at the expense of other, even more serious crime problems, uh, that exists,
00:40:10.280
Let me ask you as we're, as we're wrapping up here, are there Republican law firms that
00:40:25.520
Um, uh, and I, I don't know if there is, so I'm not sure I can comment on it.
00:40:29.700
It does seem there could be an innocuous explanation for it.
00:40:34.820
It's nothing I ever saw or encountered when I was in the FBI.
00:40:38.060
Uh, and we're talking about the FBI portal, uh, at the law firm of, uh, Perkins Coy, which
00:40:44.460
was the Democrat, which is the Democratic National Committee, uh, legal firm of choice, uh, where
00:40:51.100
Michael Sussman, uh, who was charged with lying to the FBI, where he played a prominent role
00:40:57.300
and for which there's never been any accountability.
00:40:59.760
And I've been waiting on the national media, Kevin, I've been waiting on the national media
00:41:04.460
to do some digging into this and find those Republican portals and wonder how many other
00:41:09.960
portals are in Democratic law firms around the country.
00:41:15.540
Uh, we always, uh, give our guests the last word, your concluding thoughts.
00:41:20.440
And, uh, if you will, sir, uh, that time is now.
00:41:26.860
Uh, when you, great questions, you're, you're surrounding many issues that are troubling Americans
00:41:36.040
Uh, the FBI has to take this on head on and take steps to restore that, that trust, that
00:41:43.180
lost trust or damaged trust, um, that, that they, they do right now.
00:41:51.860
I, I talked to a lot of FBI, uh, both retired FBI agents and agents that are still inside
00:41:59.140
I think we can reassure your, um, your listeners that, uh, all the things that we see as troubling
00:42:06.860
are also being perceived that way within that FBI family and community, uh, largely, uh,
00:42:16.500
Um, and so, you know, nobody wants to, everybody goes into the FBI career with a lot of pride
00:42:27.040
So, and, uh, and, uh, and FBI agents want to be thought of as, as patriots who are doing,
00:42:33.340
uh, the right thing to bring justice where it needs to be brought in this country.
00:42:37.680
And for the large part, 98% of the time, that's exactly what happens.
00:42:42.840
Um, but you can see how the, the misuse by a few can create so much havoc.
00:42:56.260
Kevin Brock, long time, uh, top official of the, uh, of the FBI.
00:43:03.640
Uh, we thank you for sharing your thoughts and, uh, I hope you'll come back soon as we
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continue to cover this critically important issue for the nation.
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Tomorrow, leading GOP pollster and strategist for the McLaughlin Group on what voters are
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saying about this upcoming midterm election, about 40 days away now, and which party they
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Till then, God bless you and God bless America.