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00:01:14.940 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Hope you're having

00:01:23.160 a great weekend. If it weren't so serious, I'd have to say the country has gone, well,

00:01:29.260 more than a little nuts. Whether it's a Democrat staffer caught filming gay sex acts in a Senate 0.99

00:01:35.420 hearing room or Congresswoman Lauren Boebert deciding to vote for the reauthorization of FISA and Section 0.78

00:01:43.500 702 so the FBI and CIA and their Democrat pals can continue spying on American citizens.

00:01:52.220 Or the mad Marxists on MSNBC, realizing they've been caught by Jews who didn't believe how many of 1.00

00:02:00.080 the so-called progressives and the Democrat Party are Jew-hating bigots who hate Israel and side with 0.97

00:02:07.380 Hamas and Iran, who side with Iran's Hamas terrorists who massacred Israelis on October 7th, 0.99

00:02:14.340 killing, raping, torturing, beheading babies, and whose sponsors and supporters in this country. 0.93

00:02:21.280 Who would have ever imagined there are so many? Tens of thousands of them on campuses, on bridges, 0.99

00:02:29.460 streets, demonstrating, and demanding that the Israeli Defense Forces lay down their weapons and

00:02:35.940 just be friends with all who mean to exterminate them, to wipe Israel off the map, to claim all 1.00

00:02:42.240 between the Jordan River to the Mediterranean. You don't have to be a scholar to understand that

00:02:48.960 would mean the obliteration of Israel. And the Israelis, for some reason, aren't willing to 0.87

00:02:55.120 negotiate or surrender their existence. Thank God. The Biden regime, led by a puppet of the Marxist

00:03:03.100 left, impaired and compromised, are pushing pure propaganda to obfuscate the moral clarity

00:03:10.360 that surrounds this conflict, happily without success. The madness is that they try. Biden to Netanyahu?

00:03:19.740 How about that two-state solution? No, thank you. Biden's demand in the aftermath of October 7th.

00:03:28.880 The shame is that they tried. But in so doing, they've exposed who and what they are to the rest of us.

00:03:36.020 Further evidence of unstable minds and atmospherics in our nation's capital. Biden, with his poll numbers

00:03:42.900 spiraling, his mad rule is without question dissolving. The House Republicans, though, at the same time decide

00:03:50.560 they like, they really want more spying, more surveillance by the deep state on American citizens.

00:03:58.340 The Republicans want to impeach him, but at the same time assure his friends the power, the tools,

00:04:05.040 to spy on all of us. 147 Republicans voted for the surveillance state. That, too, is absolute madness.

00:04:15.340 The good news is the Republicans were, if not principled, not courageous, at least able to muster a

00:04:22.080 unanimous vote to formalize an impeachment inquiry of Joe Biden. Well, somehow, somehow, the Supreme Court

00:04:30.600 also decided to rule on the extent of President Trump's immunity from the likes of deep state and

00:04:37.320 Marxist-dim persecutors like Jack Smith. Our guest today is Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson.

00:04:45.080 Professor, I want to say welcome to The Great America Show. It's great to have you with us.

00:04:50.620 I am sorry that it's under these circumstances, frankly. Harvard, MIT, Penn, Cornell, the Ivy League is

00:04:58.820 under duress without any question now about the subjects you and I have been talking about for

00:05:04.400 some time, and that is anti-Semitism on the campuses, universities, and colleges across this

00:05:10.880 country. I want to start with your thoughts first about the fact that President of Penn resigned her 0.80

00:05:17.640 post. The president of Harvard has received the full support of the Harvard board despite charges of

00:05:25.500 not only anti-Semitism and now plagiarism, suppressing free speech, and actually playing a role, at least,

00:05:34.360 in the ousting of a law professor who was defending Weinstein in his sordid sexual harassment cases.

00:05:44.400 Your thoughts about it all? Yeah, well, it really, I think, is a reflection of the decline of our

00:05:50.320 elite academic institutions. You see a philosophy characterized in different ways. You could call

00:06:00.560 it critical race theory. You could call it diversity, equity, inclusion. You could call it whatever you

00:06:06.040 want, but it is elevating politics over academic substance. It is centering race in the middle of 0.99

00:06:15.020 everything, and it has a very fundamentally anti-American flavor to it, anti-capitalist flavor

00:06:22.200 to it. And unfortunately, in this kind of toxic mix that's going on in academia, the most radical

00:06:29.680 elements have chosen to single out Jews as the object of their hatred, something that we know has gone on

00:06:36.280 many times in history. And the people who should be the adults in the room, the presidents of universities,

00:06:43.760 have proven that they are not adults when it comes to these matters. And that's really what we're

00:06:48.880 seeing. You can't judge what's going on now in the narrow scope of the last 30 or 60 days. You really

00:06:57.000 have to view it in the scope of what has happened to academia in the last 20 to 30 years.

00:07:03.700 You know, I've often thought, and I know this is going to be controversial for some people, but to have

00:07:09.000 academic programs on ethnocentric subjects is to me a dilution of academia. Then to take that to

00:07:21.640 another step and have actually political activist education, whether it be the Kennedy School,

00:07:28.740 whatever it may be, Stanford, whatever it may be, the university, instead of the fundamental

00:07:37.040 university subjects that one associates with that of producing, graduating men and women of true

00:07:46.320 education in the classical sense. It is, I frankly think that it is a crime for these universities

00:07:54.820 to be charging 50 to what, 80, $85,000 a year for the education that's being provided. Your thoughts?

00:08:03.580 I think that's right. I mean, I think we are not educating people, at least at these elite

00:08:08.660 institutions. Notice, and other people have commented on this, we don't see these protests

00:08:14.740 and these riots in favor of terrorists at community colleges, where students are more likely to actually

00:08:20.820 want to learn something that will help them in their life. We're seeing them at the most elite

00:08:25.440 institutions. And I think it's a complete failure of the system. We have elevated identity politics

00:08:32.660 over merit. We have elevated equity, meaning equalizing outcomes and manipulating outcomes

00:08:40.840 over equality, where everybody is treated fairly. And so that's what we're seeing go on. And it's

00:08:46.760 really tragic. We're not graduating the future generations that we need to keep this country 0.98

00:08:52.520 strong. We're graduating people who have been schooled in an ideology of tearing down our society.

00:08:59.820 If you look at all of these ideologies that are creating this toxic mix on campuses, it's a hatred

00:09:06.140 of our system and a desire to tear us down. Of course, they don't understand what the consequences

00:09:11.820 of that will be. But understanding is not really what it's about. These are essentially what you would

00:09:18.580 see in many cases at a North Korean rally, just people chanting slogans. They don't even necessarily

00:09:24.920 understand. There have been a number of people who've interviewed students on campuses chanting

00:09:30.280 from the river to the sea. And they can't tell you what river and what sea. They just mind-numbed

00:09:35.960 chanting of these genocidal doctrines. And so it's really scary. It's a time where I hope what has

00:09:43.920 happened the last month and two months on campuses is a massive wake-up to our country that what's happening

00:09:50.540 on campuses poses a a long-term threat to our country. I think you're right in both instances.

00:09:58.300 It's a long-term threat. It's it should be a wake-up call. But at the same time, we have watched these

00:10:05.420 these universities and many of them not. I'm not talking about the Ivy League or just the private

00:10:11.060 universities. I'm talking about state universities as well, bringing in federal funds, huge, huge sums of

00:10:18.600 money. We're talking about billions upon billions of dollars here. More money, and certainly in the

00:10:25.300 instance of Harvard, than some people are charged for tuition. It is the federal government has a an

00:10:32.980 immense stranglehold on these institutions, whether it's acknowledged or not. And and the fact that they do

00:10:39.580 have that stranglehold is not to the benefit of the the American nation and our way of life. It is

00:10:48.340 we have watched this Palestinian radical Islamist fervor build up in our universities. And without 0.97

00:10:58.240 comment, it seems, let alone attempt at restraint on the part of any of these universities. We'll be

00:11:03.380 right back with Professor William Jacobson of Cornell. We're back with Professor William Jacobson and

00:11:15.180 Professor of Law at Cornell. Let's let's turn to this to keep it as specific as we can. Your thoughts

00:11:24.880 about a university in a university that had witnessed their president do what Claudine Gay, the president

00:11:33.940 of Harvard University, had done before the hearing in a U.S. in the U.S. Congress, who is accused of

00:11:40.960 plagiarism, who is accused of constricting, constraining free speech, who is accused of outing,

00:11:49.980 ousting a professor who just happened to defend the Harvey Weinstein. What what is your reaction to

00:12:00.960 that? And how in the world could any board of trustees, corporate board of any university support

00:12:08.740 that? Well, it's hard to understand in any reasonable corporate fiduciary sense. She was a 0.99

00:12:16.660 failure in her relatively short term so far as president. And you need a president precisely to 0.99

00:12:24.460 deal with times of crisis, such as has happened the last 60 days. And she's been unable to deal with

00:12:31.060 it. In fact, the dealing she's had with it have made the situation worse, not better. They're an

00:12:36.460 embarrassment to Harvard. I've read someplace that they've lost over a billion dollars in pledged

00:12:42.860 donations because of it. And then it comes out that she legitimately plagiarized in multiple papers,

00:12:52.340 you know, other authors and the Harvard board in their announcement that they are sticking with her

00:12:58.360 acknowledged that their review found four instances of lacking attribution in her papers.

00:13:06.320 There are other people who found more and but they don't feel it was serious enough.

00:13:10.800 And they're going to allow her to issue corrections to her papers. I mean, this isn't saying really

00:13:16.400 it is. I don't mean to laugh about it, but this isn't saying you have somebody who's a complete

00:13:20.760 failure, who embarrassed the university, who cost them a billion dollars, who gets caught

00:13:25.720 plagiarizing and they're going to stand with her. And I think the problem is they're between a rock and

00:13:30.980 a hard place. I mean, she was appointed because she was a strict adherent and promoter of diversity,

00:13:38.860 equity and inclusion ideology. I mean, a paper leaked out recently that she had written,

00:13:44.280 you know, that she was going to push that into every aspect of the university. 0.93

00:13:48.220 The diversity is in a hard place. If they fire a black woman president who was hired because she is 1.00

00:13:56.580 a devotee of diversity, equity and inclusion, you can imagine the uproar they're going to face from

00:14:01.840 the student activists and from the faculty activists. But if they keep her on,

00:14:06.020 it's immensely damaging long term to the brand of Harvard. And maybe they think they're above it.

00:14:13.060 Maybe they think their brand can't be permanently tarnished because it's Harvard. Well, you know what?

00:14:19.100 The people who branded Bud Light thought the same thing and they found out differently.

00:14:24.320 I think that they are in an extremely difficult position. And I think that this will seriously hurt

00:14:32.600 the Harvard brand, the Ivy League brand. And I think that the nation is waking up to the fact that

00:14:38.400 these elite institutions and I work at one of them are doing tremendous damage to the country.

00:14:44.580 It's it is to me, I guess it's just simply reflex. What would what would the Harvard board have done

00:14:53.440 if the president was a white male and done precisely the same thing? Because what we're getting into

00:14:59.800 is the politics of both condescension and patronage. It is to me, it is just inexcusable.

00:15:11.980 And it puts the lie further to diversity and equity and inclusion. These are these are nonsense

00:15:21.440 inventions of identity politics. And until the country understands what it is, that you're going

00:15:31.320 to have people going around mouthing it, making programs out of it and conjuring it up in some

00:15:38.000 sort of, you know, in every imaginable way. What are your thoughts about the necessity to get rid

00:15:44.760 of ESG, DEI, all of this nonsense? Yes. I mean, while you were talking, I was thinking back,

00:15:52.980 you know, there's a book, I think it was in the late 70s, called Harvard Hates America.

00:15:58.440 And it was such a great it was a bestseller was a big hit at the time. People have probably forgotten

00:16:04.060 it. But Harvard Hates America. And it's absolutely true. They sneer at, you know, ordinary citizens,

00:16:10.840 they consider themselves above. And the way they're acting now, I think, is a perfect example.

00:16:15.420 As to DEI and ESG and all of those, you know, ESG is more of a corporate thing. And I think from

00:16:23.440 an investment point of view, it's nonsense. But, you know, DEI is a an academic thing. It's a campus

00:16:30.900 thing. I mean, it's moved beyond campus, but it's basically a campus thing. And, you know, regardless

00:16:35.740 of whether you're a Democrat or Republican or regardless of who you support in the Republican

00:16:40.420 primary, what they're doing in Florida, what Ron DeSantis is doing in Florida is part of the

00:16:45.720 answer. It is defund these bureaucracies, defund these government salaried bureaucracies

00:16:51.060 who are causing such monumental pain. I mean, we've been at my website and I've been screaming

00:16:57.500 for years that DEI is poisonous. It breaks people into identity groups. It forces them to be treated

00:17:03.760 not as, you know, fully human individuals, but as humans who are merely part of a greater

00:17:09.720 group, a group identity. It pits people against each other and it pits people against their

00:17:14.480 country. Get rid of it. It has to be gotten rid of. You can't tweak it around the edges.

00:17:19.620 I couldn't agree with you more. We're going to take a quick break. We're talking with Cornell

00:17:23.500 Professor William Jacobson. Stay with us.

00:17:26.200 We're back with Professor William Jacobson. Professor, just a short while ago, short, what,

00:17:37.400 two months ago, Cornell was in the midst of its own controversy. Has there been an improvement?

00:17:44.460 Has there been, what is the environment now? Has the campus settled down and are you moving to a

00:17:52.260 better path? Well, it's certainly not as bad as it was six weeks ago when there was a professor who

00:17:59.460 announced he was exhilarated while when he heard of the Hamas attack. There were student groups

00:18:05.380 chanting, you know, from the river to the sea and Intifada Intifada, which is the bloody suicide

00:18:11.940 bombing campaign against Israel. There was a student who appears to have become radicalized while at

00:18:19.760 Cornell, who actually posted threats to shoot and shoot up the kosher dining hall, was arrested,

00:18:28.200 charged in federal court now. It was a bad scene and a completely incompetent response from the

00:18:36.780 administration that really they just reacted to pressure from alumni and the media couldn't figure out

00:18:43.640 the right thing to do the first time. So it's not a great situation. I think the, I have zero

00:18:49.600 confidence that the administration is going to do anything other than try to wait it out and try

00:18:55.700 to avoid having to take any meaningful action on campus. They just announced a new policy that

00:19:03.120 because, you know, of the presidents who testified in Congress couldn't say that calling for genocide

00:19:08.980 is against campus policy. They announced the policy, yes, calling for genocide is against Cornell's

00:19:16.420 policy. But the way they define genocide is not the standard definition of genocide. You know,

00:19:22.960 the UN, the Holocaust Museum, the United States Congress, they all have definitions of genocide,

00:19:29.460 which do not limit it to the complete eradication of a people. Yet Cornell announces that a call to kill 0.83

00:19:39.040 all members of a group, all members of a group, is a call for genocide and will not be tolerated on

00:19:46.240 campus. Well, that's just a dodging. Nobody defines genocide that way. That's a subset of genocide and

00:19:53.520 nobody's calling for that. And so they create this fictitious, phony definition of genocide, which is not a

00:20:01.160 standard definition that they know is not what people call for. And what they're doing is they're trying

00:20:06.300 to do it to avoid having to deal with the problem on campus of people calling for violence against 0.64

00:20:11.380 Jews, because if they don't call to kill all Jews, then it's not a call for genocide, according to the 0.93

00:20:17.240 Cornell administration, which, of course, is absurd. That whole thing tells me they are not serious about 0.98

00:20:22.320 this. They're treating this as a public relations exercise, and they think they can wordsmith their way

00:20:28.440 around it. But I can tell you, alumni are very upset. I think parents are very upset. I think students

00:20:34.520 are very upset and Cornell is just going to try to rope a dope it and wait it out and hope we go on winter

00:20:40.560 break. And when everybody comes back in six weeks, it's all forgotten. I don't know if that will happen, but I

00:20:45.980 think that's their strategy. Is there enough independent thought within the students of Cornell for those

00:20:54.340 students to come back organized and to meet the threat of DEI, CRT, or critical legal theory, whatever

00:21:03.840 you want to call it, and to take it head on and the administration?

00:21:09.040 Yeah, I don't think the current students will rise up, so to speak. I think that they feel very bullied.

00:21:17.040 I think they feel that to speak out means they will be targeted. We have mobs of students running

00:21:25.960 through the campus with bullhorns chanting for violence. I think it's a lot to ask a sophomore in

00:21:32.760 college to stand up to that. But what will happen with future applications in future generations,

00:21:40.600 I mean, Harvard will always fill its class, and there'll always be more people who want the name

00:21:44.840 and want the diploma and don't care about it. But I do believe we are developing in this country

00:21:50.360 something of a red-blue divide at the university level. People will have choices. They can go to

00:21:57.440 the University of Florida or many other universities in red states, public universities, and they're not

00:22:04.300 going to find this level of DEI indoctrination. In fact, it's being defunded. Or they can go to

00:22:09.920 schools in New York, public universities, or California, and they will be inundated with it,

00:22:15.640 where they can go to private elite colleges, where they will be inundated with it, and they're going

00:22:19.380 to have to make choices. I think just like people vote with their feet moving south, if you look at

00:22:24.720 all the demographic maps showing trends of where people move, it's all north to south. Nobody's

00:22:31.040 moving north. And I think you'll see that in academia. It may take a few years to play itself

00:22:37.540 out. And I don't dismiss the Ivy League credential being an allure for people. But I think you will

00:22:45.840 see people moving to other, you know, locations for academia, for academics, just as you see them

00:22:53.480 moving to other locations for other things in life. Yeah, I think there was a time when every parent

00:22:58.340 would have been very proud to have their kids going off to an Ivy League school. I think now those very

00:23:04.980 same parents would be very proud if those those students were going to a school south or west,

00:23:12.780 wherever it is necessary to go, that provided a great education and no indoctrination. You get the

00:23:20.320 last word here, Professor. Thanks for being with us today. Yeah, my last word is this is an opportunity

00:23:26.440 for change. The complete implosion in the public perception of the elite institutions is a chance

00:23:34.160 for for change for the better to strengthen our country and to strengthen the institutions. And

00:23:40.120 don't let this moment pass. It's a moment created by the institutions. They are, you know, self-destructing

00:23:47.480 in front of our very eyes. They have enormous hypocrisy. They're losing credibility. And we shouldn't let that 1.00

00:23:53.900 pass, you know, to to use a famous political phrase. Don't let a crisis go to waste. And the

00:23:59.740 crisis on campuses is something we can't let go to waste. We have to turn it into a better situation

00:24:04.880 because otherwise it's just going to get worse. Thank you very much, Professor. I'm going to take

00:24:09.440 this opportunity to tell everybody, let your representative, let your congressman or congresswoman,

00:24:15.900 your your senator know exactly how you feel about what is happening with taxpayer dollars and these

00:24:21.280 these left wing Marxist institutions that have been created to indoctrinate our children rather than

00:24:27.840 educate them. The capital switchboard is 202-224-3121. 202-224-3121. And let our elected officials know

00:24:42.380 what you expect of them. And I want to just to make one final urging here before you send a child off to

00:24:49.560 one of these left wing institutions. Please check out your local community college. The educations they provide,

00:24:57.640 in my opinion, are the greatest bargain in this country. It is a great, great resource for everyone. And, you know,

00:25:07.440 please consider it because not only will you not be saddled with debt that has been in the money of which has been spent

00:25:15.520 to fund some left wing professor, you'll be getting a bargain and also assuring your son or daughter

00:25:22.100 gets a good education and isn't saddled with a debt that will be a significant part of their life

00:25:28.100 paying off. Again, Professor, thanks for being with us. We appreciate it and look forward to our next

00:25:33.520 talk. All the best. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. Please be with us through the week.

00:25:40.000 Please join us each and every day. Follow me on Twitter and true social at Lou Dibes. And again,

00:25:45.540 thank you, everybody. God bless you. And may God bless America.

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