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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you

00:00:07.700 with us. What a great week it's been for politics and the rule of law in this country. President

00:00:13.540 Trump turned himself into the Fulton County Jail last night, where he was arraigned on

00:00:18.820 13 felony counts from Marxist-Leninist District Attorney Fannie Willis, President Trump's

00:00:25.120 fourth indictment in almost six months. Willis originally asked the judge for a March trial

00:00:31.160 date for President Trump and his 18 co-defendants. But yesterday, Willis asked the judge to move the

00:00:38.120 trial date up to October 23rd, just about two months from today. House Judiciary Committee

00:00:45.060 Chairman Jim Jordan yesterday officially launched a probe of Fulton County's interesting DA and her

00:00:51.700 case against Trump. Congressman Jordan has demanded Willis turn over all documents related to the

00:00:57.940 case. Jordan wants to know what communications the Marxist DA has with the federal government

00:01:04.360 regarding the indictment of President Trump. Because the case involves the prosecution of

00:01:10.200 federal officials at a state level, Chairman Jordan said that the indictment appears to be

00:01:15.700 an attempt to use state criminal law to regulate the conduct of federal officers acting in their

00:01:22.120 official capacities. And a programming note, Chairman Jordan will be our guest here Monday on

00:01:27.880 The Great America Show. Please be sure to join us for one of the true fighters defending the republic

00:01:33.660 and the rule of law. President Trump this week refused to join eight other Republicans on the Fox News

00:01:40.800 debate stage in Milwaukee. President Trump instead joined Tucker Carlson on X, formerly known as

00:01:47.960 Twitter, where they saw an audience of an estimated 150 million views, while Fox had a debate audience of

00:01:56.440 12 and a half million people. And that is only half the television audience when President Trump was on

00:02:03.500 stage for the first time in a presidential debate in 2015. And in his world record interview with Tucker,

00:02:11.660 President Trump said he didn't trust Fox News and reminded Tucker of another reason they didn't want to be on

00:02:18.460 that stage. Eight years ago, the moderator for that debate was Chris Wallace, who Tucker called a bitchy 1.00

00:02:26.100 little man. Biden thinks someone else has got to be running the government. Well, somebody else has

00:02:31.060 to be. I don't think he's capable of doing anything. Look, when I debated him, I said, how come? And this was

00:02:40.100 in front of probably not a friend of yours, Chris Wallace. He was the moderator. Not a friend. I said, why did

00:02:45.880 it? Why is it? He wants to be Mike, but he doesn't have the talent. It's one of those little man. He wanted to be his

00:02:51.100 father, but he didn't have the talent of his father. His father was great. His father was a little fussy

00:02:54.600 man. His father interviewed me in 60 minutes. It was actually a 10. Can you believe it? No, I told him

00:02:59.380 his father had talent, at least. I may have been the only guy that he gave a good 60 minutes. He was

00:03:04.060 rough. His father was tough. He was great, though. He was great at what he did. But Chris Wallace was so

00:03:09.440 upset. He was guarding this guy who wouldn't do a show, by the way. You know, he wouldn't do it. I figured

00:03:14.220 I didn't mind Chris Wallace because he wouldn't do Biden wouldn't do a show. And it was very obvious.

00:03:21.020 You know, he kept asking him and asking, but he wouldn't do the show. So I figured he's got to

00:03:24.620 like me. But he came from a different planet. But remember when I asked the question, why is it that

00:03:30.140 the mayor of Moscow's wife is allowed to give you three and a half million dollars? Don't forget,

00:03:36.840 that was brought up now. It's brought up all the time. But that was brought up by me long before

00:03:40.260 anyone ever heard of it. I said, the mayor of Moscow's wife giving you three and a half million dollars.

00:03:44.780 What did you do to deserve three and a half million dollars

00:03:47.640 to Biden? And Chris Wallace said, this doesn't

00:03:51.160 this has nothing to do with the debate. I mean, he got in the way of the question.

00:03:56.740 No. Well, it was it was crazy. And I said, well, when he got three and a half million for the mayor

00:04:01.200 of Moscow's wife. Now, people forget that. But you go back and take a look. You will see. And Chris

00:04:06.660 Wallace didn't want me to ask that question. I said, I think it's a very appropriate question. 0.98

00:04:11.180 It turned out to be much more appropriate than people thought.

00:04:15.180 Here is that debate in 2020 with Joe Biden that he referenced the debate where Chris Wallace left

00:04:20.940 his role as moderator and became a Biden advocate and protector, insisting without any facts whatsoever

00:04:28.200 that Trump dropped the issue of Joe and Hunter Biden's business dealings with China and Ukraine.

00:04:35.000 China ate your lunch. China ate your lunch, Joe. And no wonder your son goes in and he takes out

00:04:42.900 what he takes out billions of dollars, takes out billions of dollars to manage. He makes millions

00:04:48.660 of dollars. And also, while we're at it, why is it just out of curiosity, the mayor of Moscow's wife

00:04:55.820 gave your son three and a half million dollars. What did he do to deserve it? What did he do with

00:05:00.800 barista to deserve $183,000? None of that is true. None of that is true. None of that is true.

00:05:07.580 Oh, really? He didn't get three and a half million? Mr. President, he did. Mr. President,

00:05:11.060 please. Totally discredit it. Totally discredit it. And by the way. Well, wait, he didn't get

00:05:15.860 three and a half million dollars, Joe? He got three and a half million dollars. It is not true.

00:05:20.940 Oh, really? Mr. President, it's an open discussion, please. It's a fact. Well,

00:05:26.800 you have raised an issue. Let the vice president answer. Did barista pay him $183,000 a month

00:05:33.560 with no experience in energy? Mr. President, my son did nothing wrong at barista. I think he did.

00:05:40.240 Mr. President, let him answer. He doesn't want to let me answer because he knows I have the truth.

00:05:45.680 His position has been totally, thoroughly discredited. By who? The media. By everybody. Well,

00:05:50.800 by the media, by our allies, by the World Bank, by everyone has discredited. As a matter of fact,

00:05:59.800 matter of fact, even the people who testified under oath. So let me ask you this. No, no,

00:06:05.000 go ahead, Mr. I'm listening to you. He got three and a half million dollars from Moscow. He testified

00:06:10.840 under oath in his administration, said, I did my job and I did it very well. I did it honorably.

00:06:16.820 Who they are. Every. Well, I'll give you the list of the people who tested. No, no, go ahead, sir.

00:06:21.200 You've already fired most of them because they did a good job. Some people don't. Well, here's

00:06:25.300 with you. Wait a minute. You get the final word. Well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown.

00:06:31.040 Excuse me. Let me just say. No, no, no. I'm Mr. President. That is simply. Why did he deserve

00:06:37.640 three and a half million from Moscow? Look, here's the deal. We want to talk about families and ethics.

00:06:43.540 I don't want to do that. I mean, his family, we could talk about all night. His family's

00:06:48.520 already. My family lost a fortune by coming down and helping us with governance. And that's such a

00:06:54.560 right here. Mr. President. Every single one of them lost a fortune. This is not about my family

00:06:58.820 or his family. It's about your family. The American people. He doesn't. That's not true. It doesn't

00:07:04.680 want to talk about what you need. You, the American people. It's about you. That's what we're talking

00:07:11.700 about. All right. That's the end of it. That's the end of the segment. We're moving on. He didn't

00:07:16.120 take them. Vice president. No. Can I be honest? It's a very important. Try to be honest. He stood

00:07:20.740 up. No. The answer to the question is no. Ukraine. No. Sir. With a billion dollars. That is

00:07:27.340 absolutely not true. You're going to have. You're not true. Gentlemen. I hate to raise my voice,

00:07:34.600 but it seems to be. Why shouldn't I be different than the two of you? So here's the deal. Good

00:07:38.840 point. We have six segments. We have ended that segment. We're going to go to the next

00:07:44.720 segment. In that segment, you each are going to have two uninterrupted moments. In those

00:07:49.200 two uninterrupted minutes, Mr. President, you can say anything you want. I'm going to ask

00:07:53.500 a question about race, but if you want to answer about something else, go ahead. But I think

00:07:58.240 that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions.

00:08:04.620 I'm appealing to you, sir, to do that. Well, and him too. Well, frankly, you've been doing

00:08:08.840 more interrupting than you have. That's all right, but he does plenty. Well, less than, sir,

00:08:12.820 less than plenty. No, less than you have. President Trump had it right, and Wallace and the rest of

00:08:17.920 the leftist media elites had it all wrong. Turning now to some foreign policy and national security,

00:08:23.900 Trump was right about China eight years ago as well, and he's right today. A group of anonymous 0.94

00:08:30.760 investors called Flannery Associates have bought 52,000 acres in California about two hours from

00:08:39.080 San Francisco and Sacramento. The catch is it's next to Travis Air Force Base. The firm says they

00:08:46.800 plan to build a new city on that acreage with thousands of new homes. The families who previously

00:08:52.380 owned that land say they didn't want to sell it, but the investors who bought it bought it at a hugely

00:08:58.600 inflated price. Could it be China? Could it be Russia? Maybe Iran? That's yet to be known. But

00:09:05.580 Congressman John Garamendi, who represents that district, says this could be a huge risk to national

00:09:12.220 security. Clearly, it's a huge domestic threat to the nation. And elsewhere, the BRICS Economic and 0.99

00:09:19.660 Security Coalition announced this week that they're expanding and would accept six new countries as

00:09:25.980 members. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, Egypt, Argentina, and the United Arab Emirates. BRICS was

00:09:34.580 originally set up with a coalition of China, Brazil, Russia, India, and South Africa to act as, if you will,

00:09:42.880 a countervailing influence and force against U.S. power. Let's bring in our Foreign Policy Friday panel

00:09:51.160 to take all of this up. Joining us is Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. Gordon, Tony, great to have you

00:09:57.180 back with us for our Friday wrap-up on threats to the United States. Let's start with China's Xi Jinping

00:10:03.180 not showing up for his big speech at the BRICS meeting, a lot of buzz around it, talking about

00:10:09.260 everything from his health deteriorating, possibly, to some other form of crisis. Your thoughts, Gordon?

00:10:15.920 This is a mystery, Lou. Xi Jinping did not show up at lunch for the BRICS business forum, though he did

00:10:23.700 show up later in the day for dinner. It could be a political issue, could be a health issue. I actually

00:10:30.500 have another theory, and that is this was a business forum that Xi Jinping missed. And I think that he did

00:10:36.860 not want to be around to be questioned about what was happening in China itself, because the Chinese 1.00

00:10:42.620 economy is in severe distress. It could even be terminal. I don't think that he wanted to take

00:10:48.580 questions. Well, he wouldn't have taken questions anyway, but he did not want to have someone shout

00:10:53.000 out something toward him, my guess. But we'll try to find out, Lou. Well, terminal is a big word when

00:10:59.780 you're talking about the Communist Chinese Party. Do you mean terminal for Xi Jinping, terminal for China,

00:11:08.400 for whom? Well, China will always exist, but that's not true for the Communist Party. Right now, we're seeing

00:11:17.020 signs of severe distress. Everything is plummeting down. And the real issue here is that Xi Jinping could

00:11:25.080 arrest the decline. He could actually rescue things. But he has theories. He has ideology that prevents him from

00:11:32.860 doing so. So he believes, for instance, in a state economy. He does not want private parties or foreign parties to

00:11:40.140 have any sort of role of significance. And they're the only ones that can rescue this. You go back to Deng Xiaoping,

00:11:47.120 Mao Zedong's successor. And Deng sort of let the Chinese people take the initiative. Xi Jinping won't do

00:11:56.260 that because he wants the Communist Party to be in control. And as long as he wants the party to be in 0.73

00:12:01.040 control, there are no solutions, which means that this is terminal. Tony, I'm not seeing any Western

00:12:07.540 coverage, Western media coverage of the BRICS conference in South Africa, which I find to be

00:12:14.880 interesting. Don't you? I do. And I think it's because there's a great effort to diminish

00:12:20.340 the growing strength of the BRICS. I think the West, and that includes Western media,

00:12:27.360 does not want to admit that you have an ascendancy of the Chinese, of the Russians working together

00:12:34.780 behind the scenes. And I think this is driven, I'll be blunt, by the Biden administration. The Biden

00:12:39.480 administration is committed to this complete alternate reality where everything is just fine.

00:12:46.120 Don't look here. And so when you have that, you have the Western media not participating. And I think

00:12:52.520 it's a shame. As Gordon just said, there are some significant things which happened relating to

00:12:58.940 Premier Xi not showing out and not doing the speech. I think it related directly to the economic

00:13:05.640 woes that Gordon alluded to. Their economy is a mess. They had the CPI issue. They have Biden even

00:13:12.120 kind of showing a bit of backbone, saying there's certain things that we should detach from the

00:13:17.340 Chinese for relating to trade and economy. But in the same instance, there's an effort to diminish

00:13:26.580 this growing economic alternative to the G8, to the larger global economy. So I think that's why you saw very

00:13:37.280 little, if any, coverage by the West on this.

00:13:40.120 And we do have to keep in mind that when you pull China and India out of the equation, BRICS adds up to really

00:13:50.280 more straw than BRICS. It's these economies are negligible in terms of global power influence and, frankly,

00:14:00.000 relevance. But China, India and of course, Saudi Arabia are important elements if both Iran and Saudi Arabia

00:14:10.500 are become new members of BRICS.

00:14:13.340 Absolutely. I want to get I want to get your you guys view on just what this is about. And is the United States

00:14:20.520 delusional in thinking that India will be some sort of counter veiling force in Asia and the Asia Pacific

00:14:29.520 region to China? Gordon, well, first of all, on India, the defining element in Indian Chinese relations is the border

00:14:40.360 dispute. And it's more than just a dispute because Xi Jinping has territorial claims that would break

00:14:47.040 India apart. And until those are resolved, these two countries will not cooperate. But they can put aside 0.99

00:14:55.020 their differences, at least temporarily. And I think that is very much what you're referring to.

00:15:01.140 You know, in terms of BRICS, these countries have disparate relations. They have different interests.

00:15:10.460 And as you point out, most of them are weak. And even China right now is not doing well. So I don't see

00:15:17.480 this as a challenge, a great challenge to the international community, at least at the moment.

00:15:22.700 Got to remember the G20, which represents almost the entire world, is a failure.

00:15:27.840 The G7, which is like-minded countries, doesn't operate very well. So I don't see how the BRICS 1.00

00:15:35.040 grouping can, especially when you add six more countries. So we'll see about this, Lou. There is

00:15:40.920 a potential there to challenge the developed world, but they've got a long way to go before they can

00:15:47.040 mend relations and get on the same page. Tony? So I agree with Gordon mostly, but I think this is more

00:15:54.640 about long-term investment regarding the perception. Ultimately, I think you're going to have to,

00:16:00.720 and I'm with Gordon on the border dispute with India, that is going to be what we need to focus

00:16:07.620 on. I think there's real potential to drive a wedge between China and India regarding some of their

00:16:13.820 internal disputes. I think this goes back a long way. With that said, China, I think, still wants to 0.82

00:16:19.300 challenge the United States. That's why you see Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries 0.99

00:16:23.660 being brought into this to challenge the dominance of the petrodollar. I don't think China wants their

00:16:30.220 currency to replace the dollar yet, but I do believe they want to diminish the use and the

00:16:39.000 importance of our fiat currency. I think that's an ultimate goal of the Chinese to diminish that. 1.00

00:16:45.920 So this, I think, is a, remember, the Chinese are very patient. They do tend to do things over 1.00

00:16:51.660 decades, not years. So I don't necessarily think they're going to be a large economic force immediately,

00:16:57.340 but this is the, they're trying to build a perception that the momentum is in their side.

00:17:01.940 And indeed, I think bringing in the Middle Eastern countries, they want to find a way to undermine 1.00

00:17:06.220 our petrodollar being that currency that's used for most energy transactions.

00:17:11.060 Until they get their economies productive, efficient, and driving forward, I think we're

00:17:17.680 going to be able to defer that eventuality. It may occur, but it's going to be a while off

00:17:24.540 because of all of the economic problems that are besetting Russia and China and a good part of the

00:17:32.480 other countries, including, frankly, Saudi Arabia is not in the strongest position it might be,

00:17:38.320 or the United Arab Emirates, and Iran. Add to them Egypt, Ethiopia, and Argentina, which is

00:17:46.900 the list of the nations that have been invited to join the BRICS. It's going to be very interesting,

00:17:55.820 but proximate and immediate is China's vow to support Cuba. Now, this is a public, public

00:18:04.060 statement of support for Cuba to, quote, unquote, defend its national sovereignty. And Americans are

00:18:11.380 now just now getting used to the idea that there is a military base escalation in Cuba. Now, a Chinese 1.00

00:18:18.240 military base. This is that we can argue about Ukraine and all sorts of other global issues and

00:18:26.340 hotspots, potential and otherwise. But when you start talking 90 miles off our borders, I don't care who the

00:18:32.880 the compromised and impaired puppet president is. Get out of the way because that's a national

00:18:40.380 security issue of the highest order. What do you think, Gordon? Oh, absolutely. China's had at least 0.77

00:18:46.420 three listening posts in Cuba for most of this century. They're thinking of what they call a

00:18:52.160 training facility, which really is going to be a military base where they'll base intermediate and

00:18:57.660 short range ballistic missiles. This is a threat of the highest order to the United States.

00:19:03.440 And although Cuba is sovereign, the problem is we have a Biden administration and an Obama

00:19:08.580 administration that supported Havana. And we should not be doing that while they invite the Chinese in 1.00

00:19:14.060 to threaten the U.S., as you say, from 90 miles from our border. And by the way, the Chinese are in 1.00

00:19:19.440 the Bahamas. That's also 90 miles from Florida. And Tony? Yeah. So the issue of China becoming a 0.95

00:19:29.180 dominant regional force is something that actually started under President Trump. And again, I fault

00:19:35.140 those under Trump who did not fully brief him or posture the United States military to begin to do

00:19:44.160 something about this. I don't believe it's a good idea to allow Chinese open access. And as Gordon said, 0.65

00:19:48.900 they've been expanding. We've known about this. This is not new. The fact that we're even now allowing

00:19:55.900 more to say it's not new when you say it's not new, it's sure as heck new to the American people and to the

00:20:02.000 national media, because no one knew anything about this that I'm aware of in the national corporate media

00:20:09.100 in the in the right. That's my point. Yeah. Well, the point. Yeah. No, your point is well taken. I agree

00:20:17.240 with you. The problem is this. The intelligence community. I don't think because I think if Trump

00:20:21.220 was told in more detail about this, Lou, we would have been told. I think I don't think Trump would

00:20:25.520 have stood for this. My issue is the again, the intelligence community, a deep state, whatever

00:20:29.420 you want to call him, kind of sad bagging him on this, because you and I both know Trump would have

00:20:34.280 gone nuts on this. Like what? You've got these guys, these knuckleheads reactivating a Russian. 1.00

00:20:39.400 So that's part of my issue. And again, something has to be remedied because the administrative

00:20:45.500 state. Let's do that. Let's do this because we're going to break. Let's get to just how in the world

00:20:51.640 we get this, the intelligence chieftains from the Obama era to this current era, working for the

00:20:59.840 American people and national interest instead of for the deep state and the control of the federal

00:21:06.000 government, first and foremost, on their agenda. We're talking with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang,

00:21:11.780 and we will be right back and we'll have the answers to all those questions and more. Stay with

00:21:17.140 us, please.

00:21:23.500 We're back with Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer. And Tony, first of all, let's get to the issue.

00:21:29.720 The intelligence community isn't working for the United States, at least the United States,

00:21:34.260 as you and I and Gordon and this audience understands it. What in the heck are we going

00:21:39.440 to do when they won't even tell the command structure of the United States government

00:21:44.940 what is happening in Cuba? And they knew they had to know, as you say.

00:21:51.460 So the answer is they did know. And that's the problem. This goes back a long ways. Look,

00:21:56.760 I just had a... No, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to focus on what we're going to do here now.

00:22:03.980 I know that you've established the history. I want to get to what we do.

00:22:09.340 So what we do is we actually, whoever wins the next election has to clean house. You have to do

00:22:14.480 that. You have to understand that these senior leaders, Clapper, Brennan, all these guys are of

00:22:20.440 the same, they're cut from the same cloth. You have to get rid of them. It's like a cancer. You have to

00:22:24.860 cut the cancer out. And as long as you have people who are more committed to a political

00:22:29.540 direction than they are the oath of office, you're going to have these problems. Because

00:22:34.520 they, these intelligence officials, are going to think, Lou, they're smarter than the average bear,

00:22:38.820 and they don't want to bother to tell a leader who's in charge, who was actually duly elected,

00:22:43.840 what's going on. Because, oh my, oh my, the duly elected leader may not be digging it and will take

00:22:49.860 some action. And some action they don't want to have to obey. Eisenhower warned us about this.

00:22:55.240 It's gotten worse. So we have to have whoever comes in, cut out the cancer. Because this is a

00:23:01.700 cancer. And as long as this happens, as long as that cancer is there, you will never have a full

00:23:06.440 accounting of these intelligence operations going. And things like Lourdes and the Chinese getting in 0.71

00:23:11.040 there are going to happen over and over. It's going to be almost another, what is it,

00:23:17.200 going to be three, another 15, 16 months before the election. In the meantime, China has a military

00:23:24.440 base that is building up there. They're also building up a military base out in California

00:23:31.120 on 52,000 acres that the Chinese have bought up around Travis Air Force Base for crying out loud. 0.99

00:23:37.600 And the city doesn't even know what's going on. They're building a new city on 52,000 acres

00:23:44.880 at their pleasure. And we don't even know why they're there. We don't even know who the company

00:23:50.120 is. Flattery Associates, we don't know who the principals are and who's funding it. We have a

00:23:55.660 guess, but we don't know. Gordon, when is somebody going to take action? What is an egregious,

00:24:03.180 an egregious failure of intelligence, of the command structure and our federal government,

00:24:09.280 which is, by the way, under the control of the Marxist nims in lock, stock and barrel?

00:24:15.860 First of all, it is up to the American people to put pressure on their president.

00:24:20.680 Also, the Republicans in Congress have got to move quickly because it's not just Travis Air Force

00:24:26.460 Base. It's Grand Forks Air Force Base, Laughlin Air Force Base, even Barksdale. A Chinese party has

00:24:33.380 bought a country club right under the approach to Barksdale, which is the head of Global Strike

00:24:37.940 Command of the Air Force. It is all over this country. And of course, the secret Chinese lab 1.00

00:24:44.420 that was found just outside of Fresno, which had those thousand mice, which were genetically engineered.

00:24:49.580 That story has just disappeared from the annals of national corporate media, hasn't it?

00:24:56.460 It certainly has. We're not hearing about it. And we should be putting pressure because

00:25:00.860 it is unlikely to be the only such Chinese facility in the U.S. So we're talking about

00:25:06.860 deliberate spread of disease because those mice were genetically engineered to spread COVID.

00:25:11.940 There were at least 20 pathogens on site. This was a completely off the books facility.

00:25:17.340 We have this issue of Chinese saboteurs crossing our border, southern border,

00:25:21.420 the Biden administration not tracking these individuals. Letting them in in the first place is bad

00:25:26.160 enough. But not tracking them, that's even worse. You know, it's just up to the American people to put

00:25:31.600 pressure on their president. It's going to be hard, but we can do it because we have done it.

00:25:36.560 We go back to 2021. The American people were outraged that the State Department ended its

00:25:42.920 investigation of the origins of COVID-19. It forced the president to have that 90-day investigation.

00:25:49.500 Now, that turned out to be a whitewash, of course. 0.95

00:25:53.520 Wait a minute, Gordon. That was just another cover-up by the Biden administration.

00:26:02.620 Yes. But the point is that that investigation would never have occurred unless the American people

00:26:09.060 expressed on one particular day, I think it was May 26 or whatever,

00:26:13.360 their outrage at the State Department ending that investigation.

00:26:18.400 Now, what I hear you saying, Gordon, and forgive me for saying it this way, but

00:26:22.020 it sounds like you're saying it's good therapy for the American people to express their outrage.

00:26:26.500 And it's also good politics for the Biden administration to just cover up another

00:26:31.300 absolute outrage against the the republic. And everyone's happy. And we can just sort of take

00:26:38.440 a sigh of relief until the next election to see whether or not we get another idiot like

00:26:44.660 Joe Biden. I mean, where does the where does the pretend nonsense end in this White House

00:26:53.540 that, by the way, we know Joe Biden isn't running it anyway. But how do we take back our government,

00:26:59.600 guys? That's the real question, because there is no community outrage. There is no public outrage,

00:27:05.580 whether it's you name the Air Force base, the real estate. Everybody just sort of brings their

00:27:10.720 hands and goes away and and then wait for the next installment of your favorite media. It's it's a

00:27:17.300 it is. I have to tell you, I think this is one of the scariest periods in American history,

00:27:22.860 because suddenly are all of our politicians, at least on the right, are seem to be you remember

00:27:29.240 the movie, the and the book, the Stepford Wives. I mean, my gosh, this is the Stepford political

00:27:36.200 system that I never dreamed would exist, that our society automatons, you know, waiting to to be

00:27:43.720 amused by whatever threat, you know, presents itself. My I just, you know, I think this is just an

00:27:51.880 extraordinary moment in history that we're going to be very fortunate to live through.

00:27:56.300 I agree, Lou. I think the difference between 2021 and now is that we do have the Republican

00:28:03.700 committee on the Chinese Communist Party. We do have a Republican majority in the House,

00:28:10.640 and that gives the American people a lever. Now, whether we use it or not is up to us.

00:28:16.740 Whether the Republicans move in the direction that they should is going to be a very difficult issue

00:28:22.420 for the reasons you have pointed out so many times. But the point is, this is the only thing

00:28:27.280 we have right now, and we've got to use it. We've got to continue to keep the pressure up,

00:28:32.180 because President Biden is determined not to defend us. And I agree with you, because he's not determined

00:28:37.880 because he's determined not to defend us. This is the scariest moment in American history.

00:28:42.940 Yeah. You know, I don't know about you, Tony, but I think this president is more than compromised.

00:28:47.900 As a matter of fact, I think he'll be there at, you know, Joint Base Andrews to greet the transport aircraft

00:28:56.360 bringing in the People's Liberation Army to take over. I think he's more than compromised.

00:29:04.760 No, I'm with you. And this is where I'm torn. I'm very much torn on what to do, because I see, as you,

00:29:12.000 this is almost a boiling, like a frog in a boiling pot, you know, kind of starting off cold, getting hotter,

00:29:19.040 and all the indicators are there. The problem is this. Those who recognize it do not have the authority

00:29:25.280 to do anything about it. I mean, I know people who are still in DOD, Lou, and DHS. They see what we see,

00:29:31.220 but they're powerless. And the moment you speak up, you become a target, and they get rid of you.

00:29:36.280 So this is one of those things where someone has to come in with political will. That's the key,

00:29:42.180 political will to actually internalize what we're talking about, and then pick people who are

00:29:48.520 effective in their commitment to taking out the garbage, which are those who are committed to

00:29:54.680 allowing the Chinese to do this. And I'm talking about most of the senior level officials in the 0.65

00:30:00.000 Biden administration are completely committed to allowing this to happen. They've got to be stopped.

00:30:04.900 And I don't even know how to do that without going down a path we don't want to go down.

00:30:09.180 Well, Tony, I want to get your thoughts next on Wagner's chief, and by the way, his subordinate as

00:30:15.860 well, the top two officers of the Wagner mercenaries who were killed and unfortunate. And I understand

00:30:25.720 Putin is deeply remorseful over their loss in this plane crash. But I want to get your thoughts about it

00:30:33.200 and what it means and who ordered it. And was it an assassination? It couldn't be. We're talking

00:30:38.660 with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. We'll be right back. And we're going to get Mr. Schaefer's answers

00:30:43.780 on those questions, as well as Gordon's. Stay with us.

00:30:46.300 We're back talking with Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer. Tony, your thoughts on Pergozian's

00:30:58.620 mysterious departure from this this veil of tears up in the sky on his way to Moscow.

00:31:07.980 Right. Well, you know, Lou, Mr. Putin, President Putin has announced he's doing a taking a very

00:31:14.680 serious look and doing a very serious investigation of what happened here, just to let you know that

00:31:19.800 there he's right on top of it. But at the same time, he said that, you know, Pergozian was a

00:31:24.600 quote unquote, talented businessman. That's a real compliment. And but he made mistakes. So he's

00:31:31.380 embedding some clues there. And oh, by the way, Lou, I don't know if you know, two months to the day

00:31:35.460 yesterday was the anniversary of the attempted coup. So I think that Putin has been signaling

00:31:42.180 that this was all done at his behest. And they don't know. I don't know yet from what I've seen

00:31:48.220 if it was taken down by a Russian surface to air missile or an FSB internal bomb. But I'm telling you,

00:31:54.700 based on everything I've seen, this is, as I've said before on your show, you can you can take the

00:31:59.000 man out of the Soviet Union. You can't take the Soviet Union out of the man. And I think this is a 0.60

00:32:03.740 very Soviet move by Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin hasn't made very many, frankly, smart moves

00:32:10.460 of late. But suddenly the Russian military appears to be on the on the move and winning battles in

00:32:20.300 Ukraine. So they've exhausted. So anybody who wants to understand a battle, Lou, that the Russians have 0.96

00:32:26.660 taken a page out of the Battle of Kursk. Study the Battle of Kursk, both the offensive and defensive

00:32:31.460 aspects. For your audience to note, I'm not comparing Ukraine to the Nazis, because if you look at the

00:32:36.660 Battle of Kursk in 43, July 43, I'm just talking about the basic elements of it. So basically, they

00:32:42.920 exhausted the Nazis during World War Two at 43. The Russians did the same thing against the Ukrainians.

00:32:48.520 They let them become exhausted. Now, at the end of that, like World War Two, like in 43, the Russians are now 1.00

00:32:54.900 prepared to go on the offensive because they've allowed Lou, their adversary to exhaust all of

00:33:00.740 their combat strength. So that's what's going on. And the Russians right now are in a position to go 0.93

00:33:06.020 on the offensive. Putin actually visited the front about five days ago. He got a briefing on what their

00:33:11.900 potentiality is. Comes Lou, does Putin want to go on the offensive? Because if he wants to, there's very

00:33:18.720 little that are preventing from doing it and being effective at this point. F-16s are supposed to join

00:33:23.860 the fight. How important will they be when they get there? Apparently, it's going to take until this

00:33:28.820 winter to train up pilots. If you can delay the war till next year at this time, they might have an

00:33:34.660 effect. But even then, they're not the current generation fighter, Lou. And these are the older

00:33:40.200 ones. These are the ones coming from Europe, from Belgium. And I think one of the other countries are

00:33:45.420 donating them. These are not even the most advanced versions of this F-16. You have to untrain

00:33:50.600 their pilots first, Lou, and retrain them. It's not going to happen until sometime next spring.

00:33:57.220 Right. Gordon, your thoughts?

00:33:59.820 Well, you know, Tony is the master of this. I think that we have to wait a little bit.

00:34:05.360 The Russians looked like they were going to take over Ukraine when they invaded on the 20th of

00:34:11.140 February. I think that we can maybe, we sometimes overestimate the Russian ability to actually

00:34:20.020 accomplish their aims. This is going to be a fight to the finish. The way that this is, of course,

00:34:26.400 very controversial, came up during the GOP debate in Milwaukee in a number of cases. I see this,

00:34:34.480 and I think the Chinese see this as a proxy war. They don't see it as a fight between Russians and

00:34:40.780 Ukrainians. They see it as China versus the United States. And so whatever is happening on the

00:34:48.080 battlefield, as Tony points out, we damn well better win. Because if we don't, we are going to see the

00:34:54.560 Chinese and Russians move on the rest of Europe, move on Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines. We can see Iran 0.97

00:35:01.060 start to pressure Israel, North Korea, pressuring South Korea. This is global war, and we're at the

00:35:07.740 cusp of it. And we need a commander in chief who has the foresight to understand what's going on

00:35:13.220 and the will to resist the Chinese and the Russians. Unfortunately, we don't have that. 0.90

00:35:19.360 And do you think the Ayatollahs, Xi Jinping, will be gracious enough to wait until our November

00:35:27.840 election of 2024 for such leadership to emerge? Or do you think there might be some pressure upon

00:35:35.620 them, say, in the spring of 2024, perhaps early summer, to attack Taiwan, to attack wherever they 0.98

00:35:45.220 wish this triad of evil that has been established now? I mean, that is the critical question facing

00:35:54.020 the world. There are a number of factors that I'm sure are influencing Xi Jinping. One of them is

00:36:00.720 that the Chinese military is not ready to fight. But that doesn't mean they won't fight because Xi

00:36:06.780 Jinping has internal incentives to do this, including a failing country. The factors are going to be the 0.96

00:36:13.280 U.S. presidential election, as you point out, is going to be uppermost in Xi Jinping's mind.

00:36:18.520 I'm sure he wants to fight a Biden rather than a Trump. On the other hand, he's also looking at

00:36:24.960 the Taiwan election calendar. Taiwan has its presidential election on the 13th of January of

00:36:31.020 next year. And there are some important internal developments going on in this campaign that I think

00:36:36.800 are going to affect the way Xi Jinping thinks about timing. One of them is that...

00:36:41.920 One of them is that William Lai, the vice president, is currently the frontrunner. But he's the frontrunner

00:36:48.720 because the pro-China candidates are now divided among two declared candidates and a possible third

00:36:55.080 one. If the pro-China candidates can unify, then I think that Xi Jinping would like to believe that he

00:37:01.620 can win in the January 13th election. If they can't unify and he believes that William Lai will prevail,

00:37:08.460 then he could very well decide to move before that election. So there are a lot of things that

00:37:14.040 Xi Jinping is going to be affected by. We don't know exactly how he mixes all this. But the one

00:37:20.220 thing we can say is that we do not understand the incentives he's working on. We don't understand it

00:37:25.660 fully. And also, he can take us by surprise because we have a Pentagon and we have an Oval Office that has

00:37:32.420 very little sense of urgency and is not looking at the internal factors inside China and Taiwan right now.

00:37:39.420 Tony, thanks so much for being with us, Gordon. Thank you, gentlemen. We're out of time and look forward to our

00:37:45.420 conversation next week. And let's all keep praying because it's going to take some forbearance on the part of our

00:37:53.140 enemies, I believe, to avoid taking opportunistic advantage of this great nation. Let's pray not.

00:38:02.300 Gentlemen, thank you so much. God bless you both.

00:38:05.340 Thank you.

00:38:05.600 Thanks, Lou. Thanks, Tony.

00:38:07.360 Thanks, Lou. Thanks, Gordon.

00:38:09.140 Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer, thank you, gentlemen. And thanks, everybody, for joining us. Our guest here

00:38:14.240 Monday will be House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan. Hard at work going after the Department of

00:38:20.000 Justice, the FBI, President Biden, the corrupt Marxist Dems. Please join us and join us each and 0.50

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00:38:41.520 thanks, God bless you, and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - August 25, 2023

IS XI BIDEN’S PRONOUN？

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