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Trump turns himself into the Fulton County Jail where he was arraigned on 13 felony counts from Marxist-Leninist District Attorney Fannie Willis. It is President Trump s fourth indictment in almost six months. President Trump refused to join eight other Republicans on the Fox News debate stage in Milwaukee this week.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you
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with us. What a great week it's been for politics and the rule of law in this country. President
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Trump turned himself into the Fulton County Jail last night, where he was arraigned on
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13 felony counts from Marxist-Leninist District Attorney Fannie Willis, President Trump's
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fourth indictment in almost six months. Willis originally asked the judge for a March trial
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date for President Trump and his 18 co-defendants. But yesterday, Willis asked the judge to move the
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trial date up to October 23rd, just about two months from today. House Judiciary Committee
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Chairman Jim Jordan yesterday officially launched a probe of Fulton County's interesting DA and her
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case against Trump. Congressman Jordan has demanded Willis turn over all documents related to the
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case. Jordan wants to know what communications the Marxist DA has with the federal government
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regarding the indictment of President Trump. Because the case involves the prosecution of
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federal officials at a state level, Chairman Jordan said that the indictment appears to be
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an attempt to use state criminal law to regulate the conduct of federal officers acting in their
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official capacities. And a programming note, Chairman Jordan will be our guest here Monday on
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The Great America Show. Please be sure to join us for one of the true fighters defending the republic
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and the rule of law. President Trump this week refused to join eight other Republicans on the Fox News
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debate stage in Milwaukee. President Trump instead joined Tucker Carlson on X, formerly known as
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Twitter, where they saw an audience of an estimated 150 million views, while Fox had a debate audience of
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12 and a half million people. And that is only half the television audience when President Trump was on
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stage for the first time in a presidential debate in 2015. And in his world record interview with Tucker,
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President Trump said he didn't trust Fox News and reminded Tucker of another reason they didn't want to be on
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that stage. Eight years ago, the moderator for that debate was Chris Wallace, who Tucker called a bitchy
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little man. Biden thinks someone else has got to be running the government. Well, somebody else has
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to be. I don't think he's capable of doing anything. Look, when I debated him, I said, how come? And this was
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in front of probably not a friend of yours, Chris Wallace. He was the moderator. Not a friend. I said, why did
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it? Why is it? He wants to be Mike, but he doesn't have the talent. It's one of those little man. He wanted to be his
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father, but he didn't have the talent of his father. His father was great. His father was a little fussy
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man. His father interviewed me in 60 minutes. It was actually a 10. Can you believe it? No, I told him
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his father had talent, at least. I may have been the only guy that he gave a good 60 minutes. He was
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rough. His father was tough. He was great, though. He was great at what he did. But Chris Wallace was so
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upset. He was guarding this guy who wouldn't do a show, by the way. You know, he wouldn't do it. I figured
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I didn't mind Chris Wallace because he wouldn't do Biden wouldn't do a show. And it was very obvious.
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You know, he kept asking him and asking, but he wouldn't do the show. So I figured he's got to
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like me. But he came from a different planet. But remember when I asked the question, why is it that
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the mayor of Moscow's wife is allowed to give you three and a half million dollars? Don't forget,
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that was brought up now. It's brought up all the time. But that was brought up by me long before
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anyone ever heard of it. I said, the mayor of Moscow's wife giving you three and a half million dollars.
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What did you do to deserve three and a half million dollars
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this has nothing to do with the debate. I mean, he got in the way of the question.
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No. Well, it was it was crazy. And I said, well, when he got three and a half million for the mayor
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of Moscow's wife. Now, people forget that. But you go back and take a look. You will see. And Chris
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Wallace didn't want me to ask that question. I said, I think it's a very appropriate question.
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It turned out to be much more appropriate than people thought.
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Here is that debate in 2020 with Joe Biden that he referenced the debate where Chris Wallace left
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his role as moderator and became a Biden advocate and protector, insisting without any facts whatsoever
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that Trump dropped the issue of Joe and Hunter Biden's business dealings with China and Ukraine.
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China ate your lunch. China ate your lunch, Joe. And no wonder your son goes in and he takes out
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what he takes out billions of dollars, takes out billions of dollars to manage. He makes millions
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of dollars. And also, while we're at it, why is it just out of curiosity, the mayor of Moscow's wife
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gave your son three and a half million dollars. What did he do to deserve it? What did he do with
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barista to deserve $183,000? None of that is true. None of that is true. None of that is true.
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Oh, really? He didn't get three and a half million? Mr. President, he did. Mr. President,
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please. Totally discredit it. Totally discredit it. And by the way. Well, wait, he didn't get
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three and a half million dollars, Joe? He got three and a half million dollars. It is not true.
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Oh, really? Mr. President, it's an open discussion, please. It's a fact. Well,
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you have raised an issue. Let the vice president answer. Did barista pay him $183,000 a month
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with no experience in energy? Mr. President, my son did nothing wrong at barista. I think he did.
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Mr. President, let him answer. He doesn't want to let me answer because he knows I have the truth.
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His position has been totally, thoroughly discredited. By who? The media. By everybody. Well,
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by the media, by our allies, by the World Bank, by everyone has discredited. As a matter of fact,
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matter of fact, even the people who testified under oath. So let me ask you this. No, no,
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go ahead, Mr. I'm listening to you. He got three and a half million dollars from Moscow. He testified
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under oath in his administration, said, I did my job and I did it very well. I did it honorably.
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Who they are. Every. Well, I'll give you the list of the people who tested. No, no, go ahead, sir.
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You've already fired most of them because they did a good job. Some people don't. Well, here's
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with you. Wait a minute. You get the final word. Well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown.
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Excuse me. Let me just say. No, no, no. I'm Mr. President. That is simply. Why did he deserve
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three and a half million from Moscow? Look, here's the deal. We want to talk about families and ethics.
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I don't want to do that. I mean, his family, we could talk about all night. His family's
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already. My family lost a fortune by coming down and helping us with governance. And that's such a
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right here. Mr. President. Every single one of them lost a fortune. This is not about my family
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or his family. It's about your family. The American people. He doesn't. That's not true. It doesn't
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want to talk about what you need. You, the American people. It's about you. That's what we're talking
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about. All right. That's the end of it. That's the end of the segment. We're moving on. He didn't
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take them. Vice president. No. Can I be honest? It's a very important. Try to be honest. He stood
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up. No. The answer to the question is no. Ukraine. No. Sir. With a billion dollars. That is
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absolutely not true. You're going to have. You're not true. Gentlemen. I hate to raise my voice,
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but it seems to be. Why shouldn't I be different than the two of you? So here's the deal. Good
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point. We have six segments. We have ended that segment. We're going to go to the next
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segment. In that segment, you each are going to have two uninterrupted moments. In those
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two uninterrupted minutes, Mr. President, you can say anything you want. I'm going to ask
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a question about race, but if you want to answer about something else, go ahead. But I think
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that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions.
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I'm appealing to you, sir, to do that. Well, and him too. Well, frankly, you've been doing
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more interrupting than you have. That's all right, but he does plenty. Well, less than, sir,
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less than plenty. No, less than you have. President Trump had it right, and Wallace and the rest of
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the leftist media elites had it all wrong. Turning now to some foreign policy and national security,
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Trump was right about China eight years ago as well, and he's right today. A group of anonymous
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investors called Flannery Associates have bought 52,000 acres in California about two hours from
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San Francisco and Sacramento. The catch is it's next to Travis Air Force Base. The firm says they
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plan to build a new city on that acreage with thousands of new homes. The families who previously
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owned that land say they didn't want to sell it, but the investors who bought it bought it at a hugely
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inflated price. Could it be China? Could it be Russia? Maybe Iran? That's yet to be known. But
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Congressman John Garamendi, who represents that district, says this could be a huge risk to national
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security. Clearly, it's a huge domestic threat to the nation. And elsewhere, the BRICS Economic and
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Security Coalition announced this week that they're expanding and would accept six new countries as
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members. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, Egypt, Argentina, and the United Arab Emirates. BRICS was
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originally set up with a coalition of China, Brazil, Russia, India, and South Africa to act as, if you will,
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a countervailing influence and force against U.S. power. Let's bring in our Foreign Policy Friday panel
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to take all of this up. Joining us is Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. Gordon, Tony, great to have you
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back with us for our Friday wrap-up on threats to the United States. Let's start with China's Xi Jinping
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not showing up for his big speech at the BRICS meeting, a lot of buzz around it, talking about
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everything from his health deteriorating, possibly, to some other form of crisis. Your thoughts, Gordon?
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This is a mystery, Lou. Xi Jinping did not show up at lunch for the BRICS business forum, though he did
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show up later in the day for dinner. It could be a political issue, could be a health issue. I actually
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have another theory, and that is this was a business forum that Xi Jinping missed. And I think that he did
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not want to be around to be questioned about what was happening in China itself, because the Chinese
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economy is in severe distress. It could even be terminal. I don't think that he wanted to take
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questions. Well, he wouldn't have taken questions anyway, but he did not want to have someone shout
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out something toward him, my guess. But we'll try to find out, Lou. Well, terminal is a big word when
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you're talking about the Communist Chinese Party. Do you mean terminal for Xi Jinping, terminal for China,
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for whom? Well, China will always exist, but that's not true for the Communist Party. Right now, we're seeing
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signs of severe distress. Everything is plummeting down. And the real issue here is that Xi Jinping could
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arrest the decline. He could actually rescue things. But he has theories. He has ideology that prevents him from
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doing so. So he believes, for instance, in a state economy. He does not want private parties or foreign parties to
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have any sort of role of significance. And they're the only ones that can rescue this. You go back to Deng Xiaoping,
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Mao Zedong's successor. And Deng sort of let the Chinese people take the initiative. Xi Jinping won't do
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that because he wants the Communist Party to be in control. And as long as he wants the party to be in
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control, there are no solutions, which means that this is terminal. Tony, I'm not seeing any Western
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coverage, Western media coverage of the BRICS conference in South Africa, which I find to be
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interesting. Don't you? I do. And I think it's because there's a great effort to diminish
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the growing strength of the BRICS. I think the West, and that includes Western media,
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does not want to admit that you have an ascendancy of the Chinese, of the Russians working together
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behind the scenes. And I think this is driven, I'll be blunt, by the Biden administration. The Biden
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administration is committed to this complete alternate reality where everything is just fine.
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Don't look here. And so when you have that, you have the Western media not participating. And I think
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it's a shame. As Gordon just said, there are some significant things which happened relating to
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Premier Xi not showing out and not doing the speech. I think it related directly to the economic
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woes that Gordon alluded to. Their economy is a mess. They had the CPI issue. They have Biden even
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kind of showing a bit of backbone, saying there's certain things that we should detach from the
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Chinese for relating to trade and economy. But in the same instance, there's an effort to diminish
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this growing economic alternative to the G8, to the larger global economy. So I think that's why you saw very
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And we do have to keep in mind that when you pull China and India out of the equation, BRICS adds up to really
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more straw than BRICS. It's these economies are negligible in terms of global power influence and, frankly,
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relevance. But China, India and of course, Saudi Arabia are important elements if both Iran and Saudi Arabia
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Absolutely. I want to get I want to get your you guys view on just what this is about. And is the United States
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delusional in thinking that India will be some sort of counter veiling force in Asia and the Asia Pacific
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region to China? Gordon, well, first of all, on India, the defining element in Indian Chinese relations is the border
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dispute. And it's more than just a dispute because Xi Jinping has territorial claims that would break
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India apart. And until those are resolved, these two countries will not cooperate. But they can put aside
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their differences, at least temporarily. And I think that is very much what you're referring to.
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You know, in terms of BRICS, these countries have disparate relations. They have different interests.
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And as you point out, most of them are weak. And even China right now is not doing well. So I don't see
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this as a challenge, a great challenge to the international community, at least at the moment.
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Got to remember the G20, which represents almost the entire world, is a failure.
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The G7, which is like-minded countries, doesn't operate very well. So I don't see how the BRICS
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grouping can, especially when you add six more countries. So we'll see about this, Lou. There is
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a potential there to challenge the developed world, but they've got a long way to go before they can
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mend relations and get on the same page. Tony? So I agree with Gordon mostly, but I think this is more
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about long-term investment regarding the perception. Ultimately, I think you're going to have to,
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and I'm with Gordon on the border dispute with India, that is going to be what we need to focus
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on. I think there's real potential to drive a wedge between China and India regarding some of their
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internal disputes. I think this goes back a long way. With that said, China, I think, still wants to
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challenge the United States. That's why you see Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries
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being brought into this to challenge the dominance of the petrodollar. I don't think China wants their
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currency to replace the dollar yet, but I do believe they want to diminish the use and the
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importance of our fiat currency. I think that's an ultimate goal of the Chinese to diminish that.
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So this, I think, is a, remember, the Chinese are very patient. They do tend to do things over
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decades, not years. So I don't necessarily think they're going to be a large economic force immediately,
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but this is the, they're trying to build a perception that the momentum is in their side.
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And indeed, I think bringing in the Middle Eastern countries, they want to find a way to undermine
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our petrodollar being that currency that's used for most energy transactions.
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Until they get their economies productive, efficient, and driving forward, I think we're
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going to be able to defer that eventuality. It may occur, but it's going to be a while off
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because of all of the economic problems that are besetting Russia and China and a good part of the
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other countries, including, frankly, Saudi Arabia is not in the strongest position it might be,
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or the United Arab Emirates, and Iran. Add to them Egypt, Ethiopia, and Argentina, which is
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the list of the nations that have been invited to join the BRICS. It's going to be very interesting,
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but proximate and immediate is China's vow to support Cuba. Now, this is a public, public
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statement of support for Cuba to, quote, unquote, defend its national sovereignty. And Americans are
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now just now getting used to the idea that there is a military base escalation in Cuba. Now, a Chinese
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military base. This is that we can argue about Ukraine and all sorts of other global issues and
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hotspots, potential and otherwise. But when you start talking 90 miles off our borders, I don't care who the
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the compromised and impaired puppet president is. Get out of the way because that's a national
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security issue of the highest order. What do you think, Gordon? Oh, absolutely. China's had at least
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three listening posts in Cuba for most of this century. They're thinking of what they call a
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training facility, which really is going to be a military base where they'll base intermediate and
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short range ballistic missiles. This is a threat of the highest order to the United States.
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And although Cuba is sovereign, the problem is we have a Biden administration and an Obama
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administration that supported Havana. And we should not be doing that while they invite the Chinese in
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to threaten the U.S., as you say, from 90 miles from our border. And by the way, the Chinese are in
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the Bahamas. That's also 90 miles from Florida. And Tony? Yeah. So the issue of China becoming a
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dominant regional force is something that actually started under President Trump. And again, I fault
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those under Trump who did not fully brief him or posture the United States military to begin to do
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something about this. I don't believe it's a good idea to allow Chinese open access. And as Gordon said,
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they've been expanding. We've known about this. This is not new. The fact that we're even now allowing
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more to say it's not new when you say it's not new, it's sure as heck new to the American people and to the
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national media, because no one knew anything about this that I'm aware of in the national corporate media
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in the in the right. That's my point. Yeah. Well, the point. Yeah. No, your point is well taken. I agree
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with you. The problem is this. The intelligence community. I don't think because I think if Trump
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was told in more detail about this, Lou, we would have been told. I think I don't think Trump would
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have stood for this. My issue is the again, the intelligence community, a deep state, whatever
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you want to call him, kind of sad bagging him on this, because you and I both know Trump would have
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gone nuts on this. Like what? You've got these guys, these knuckleheads reactivating a Russian.
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So that's part of my issue. And again, something has to be remedied because the administrative
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state. Let's do that. Let's do this because we're going to break. Let's get to just how in the world
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we get this, the intelligence chieftains from the Obama era to this current era, working for the
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American people and national interest instead of for the deep state and the control of the federal
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government, first and foremost, on their agenda. We're talking with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang,
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and we will be right back and we'll have the answers to all those questions and more. Stay with
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We're back with Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer. And Tony, first of all, let's get to the issue.
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The intelligence community isn't working for the United States, at least the United States,
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as you and I and Gordon and this audience understands it. What in the heck are we going
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to do when they won't even tell the command structure of the United States government
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what is happening in Cuba? And they knew they had to know, as you say.
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So the answer is they did know. And that's the problem. This goes back a long ways. Look,
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I just had a... No, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to focus on what we're going to do here now.
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I know that you've established the history. I want to get to what we do.
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So what we do is we actually, whoever wins the next election has to clean house. You have to do
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that. You have to understand that these senior leaders, Clapper, Brennan, all these guys are of
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the same, they're cut from the same cloth. You have to get rid of them. It's like a cancer. You have to
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cut the cancer out. And as long as you have people who are more committed to a political
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direction than they are the oath of office, you're going to have these problems. Because
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they, these intelligence officials, are going to think, Lou, they're smarter than the average bear,
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and they don't want to bother to tell a leader who's in charge, who was actually duly elected,
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what's going on. Because, oh my, oh my, the duly elected leader may not be digging it and will take
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some action. And some action they don't want to have to obey. Eisenhower warned us about this.
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It's gotten worse. So we have to have whoever comes in, cut out the cancer. Because this is a
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cancer. And as long as this happens, as long as that cancer is there, you will never have a full
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accounting of these intelligence operations going. And things like Lourdes and the Chinese getting in
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there are going to happen over and over. It's going to be almost another, what is it,
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going to be three, another 15, 16 months before the election. In the meantime, China has a military
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base that is building up there. They're also building up a military base out in California
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on 52,000 acres that the Chinese have bought up around Travis Air Force Base for crying out loud.
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And the city doesn't even know what's going on. They're building a new city on 52,000 acres
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at their pleasure. And we don't even know why they're there. We don't even know who the company
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is. Flattery Associates, we don't know who the principals are and who's funding it. We have a
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guess, but we don't know. Gordon, when is somebody going to take action? What is an egregious,
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an egregious failure of intelligence, of the command structure and our federal government,
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which is, by the way, under the control of the Marxist nims in lock, stock and barrel?
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First of all, it is up to the American people to put pressure on their president.
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Also, the Republicans in Congress have got to move quickly because it's not just Travis Air Force
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Base. It's Grand Forks Air Force Base, Laughlin Air Force Base, even Barksdale. A Chinese party has
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bought a country club right under the approach to Barksdale, which is the head of Global Strike
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Command of the Air Force. It is all over this country. And of course, the secret Chinese lab
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that was found just outside of Fresno, which had those thousand mice, which were genetically engineered.
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That story has just disappeared from the annals of national corporate media, hasn't it?
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It certainly has. We're not hearing about it. And we should be putting pressure because
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it is unlikely to be the only such Chinese facility in the U.S. So we're talking about
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deliberate spread of disease because those mice were genetically engineered to spread COVID.
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There were at least 20 pathogens on site. This was a completely off the books facility.
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We have this issue of Chinese saboteurs crossing our border, southern border,
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the Biden administration not tracking these individuals. Letting them in in the first place is bad
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enough. But not tracking them, that's even worse. You know, it's just up to the American people to put
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pressure on their president. It's going to be hard, but we can do it because we have done it.
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We go back to 2021. The American people were outraged that the State Department ended its
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investigation of the origins of COVID-19. It forced the president to have that 90-day investigation.
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Now, that turned out to be a whitewash, of course.
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Wait a minute, Gordon. That was just another cover-up by the Biden administration.
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Yes. But the point is that that investigation would never have occurred unless the American people
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expressed on one particular day, I think it was May 26 or whatever,
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their outrage at the State Department ending that investigation.
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Now, what I hear you saying, Gordon, and forgive me for saying it this way, but
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it sounds like you're saying it's good therapy for the American people to express their outrage.
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And it's also good politics for the Biden administration to just cover up another
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absolute outrage against the the republic. And everyone's happy. And we can just sort of take
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a sigh of relief until the next election to see whether or not we get another idiot like
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Joe Biden. I mean, where does the where does the pretend nonsense end in this White House
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that, by the way, we know Joe Biden isn't running it anyway. But how do we take back our government,
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guys? That's the real question, because there is no community outrage. There is no public outrage,
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whether it's you name the Air Force base, the real estate. Everybody just sort of brings their
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hands and goes away and and then wait for the next installment of your favorite media. It's it's a
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it is. I have to tell you, I think this is one of the scariest periods in American history,
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because suddenly are all of our politicians, at least on the right, are seem to be you remember
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the movie, the and the book, the Stepford Wives. I mean, my gosh, this is the Stepford political
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system that I never dreamed would exist, that our society automatons, you know, waiting to to be
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amused by whatever threat, you know, presents itself. My I just, you know, I think this is just an
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extraordinary moment in history that we're going to be very fortunate to live through.
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I agree, Lou. I think the difference between 2021 and now is that we do have the Republican
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committee on the Chinese Communist Party. We do have a Republican majority in the House,
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and that gives the American people a lever. Now, whether we use it or not is up to us.
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Whether the Republicans move in the direction that they should is going to be a very difficult issue
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for the reasons you have pointed out so many times. But the point is, this is the only thing
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we have right now, and we've got to use it. We've got to continue to keep the pressure up,
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because President Biden is determined not to defend us. And I agree with you, because he's not determined
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because he's determined not to defend us. This is the scariest moment in American history.
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Yeah. You know, I don't know about you, Tony, but I think this president is more than compromised.
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As a matter of fact, I think he'll be there at, you know, Joint Base Andrews to greet the transport aircraft
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bringing in the People's Liberation Army to take over. I think he's more than compromised.
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No, I'm with you. And this is where I'm torn. I'm very much torn on what to do, because I see, as you,
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this is almost a boiling, like a frog in a boiling pot, you know, kind of starting off cold, getting hotter,
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and all the indicators are there. The problem is this. Those who recognize it do not have the authority
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to do anything about it. I mean, I know people who are still in DOD, Lou, and DHS. They see what we see,
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but they're powerless. And the moment you speak up, you become a target, and they get rid of you.
00:29:36.280
So this is one of those things where someone has to come in with political will. That's the key,
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political will to actually internalize what we're talking about, and then pick people who are
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effective in their commitment to taking out the garbage, which are those who are committed to
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allowing the Chinese to do this. And I'm talking about most of the senior level officials in the
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Biden administration are completely committed to allowing this to happen. They've got to be stopped.
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And I don't even know how to do that without going down a path we don't want to go down.
00:30:09.180
Well, Tony, I want to get your thoughts next on Wagner's chief, and by the way, his subordinate as
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well, the top two officers of the Wagner mercenaries who were killed and unfortunate. And I understand
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Putin is deeply remorseful over their loss in this plane crash. But I want to get your thoughts about it
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and what it means and who ordered it. And was it an assassination? It couldn't be. We're talking
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with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. We'll be right back. And we're going to get Mr. Schaefer's answers
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on those questions, as well as Gordon's. Stay with us.
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We're back talking with Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer. Tony, your thoughts on Pergozian's
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mysterious departure from this this veil of tears up in the sky on his way to Moscow.
00:31:07.980
Right. Well, you know, Lou, Mr. Putin, President Putin has announced he's doing a taking a very
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serious look and doing a very serious investigation of what happened here, just to let you know that
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there he's right on top of it. But at the same time, he said that, you know, Pergozian was a
00:31:24.600
quote unquote, talented businessman. That's a real compliment. And but he made mistakes. So he's
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embedding some clues there. And oh, by the way, Lou, I don't know if you know, two months to the day
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yesterday was the anniversary of the attempted coup. So I think that Putin has been signaling
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that this was all done at his behest. And they don't know. I don't know yet from what I've seen
00:31:48.220
if it was taken down by a Russian surface to air missile or an FSB internal bomb. But I'm telling you,
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based on everything I've seen, this is, as I've said before on your show, you can you can take the
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man out of the Soviet Union. You can't take the Soviet Union out of the man. And I think this is a
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very Soviet move by Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin hasn't made very many, frankly, smart moves
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of late. But suddenly the Russian military appears to be on the on the move and winning battles in
00:32:20.300
Ukraine. So they've exhausted. So anybody who wants to understand a battle, Lou, that the Russians have
00:32:26.660
taken a page out of the Battle of Kursk. Study the Battle of Kursk, both the offensive and defensive
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aspects. For your audience to note, I'm not comparing Ukraine to the Nazis, because if you look at the
00:32:36.660
Battle of Kursk in 43, July 43, I'm just talking about the basic elements of it. So basically, they
00:32:42.920
exhausted the Nazis during World War Two at 43. The Russians did the same thing against the Ukrainians.
00:32:48.520
They let them become exhausted. Now, at the end of that, like World War Two, like in 43, the Russians are now
00:32:54.900
prepared to go on the offensive because they've allowed Lou, their adversary to exhaust all of
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their combat strength. So that's what's going on. And the Russians right now are in a position to go
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on the offensive. Putin actually visited the front about five days ago. He got a briefing on what their
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potentiality is. Comes Lou, does Putin want to go on the offensive? Because if he wants to, there's very
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little that are preventing from doing it and being effective at this point. F-16s are supposed to join
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the fight. How important will they be when they get there? Apparently, it's going to take until this
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winter to train up pilots. If you can delay the war till next year at this time, they might have an
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effect. But even then, they're not the current generation fighter, Lou. And these are the older
00:33:40.200
ones. These are the ones coming from Europe, from Belgium. And I think one of the other countries are
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donating them. These are not even the most advanced versions of this F-16. You have to untrain
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their pilots first, Lou, and retrain them. It's not going to happen until sometime next spring.
00:33:59.820
Well, you know, Tony is the master of this. I think that we have to wait a little bit.
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The Russians looked like they were going to take over Ukraine when they invaded on the 20th of
00:34:11.140
February. I think that we can maybe, we sometimes overestimate the Russian ability to actually
00:34:20.020
accomplish their aims. This is going to be a fight to the finish. The way that this is, of course,
00:34:26.400
very controversial, came up during the GOP debate in Milwaukee in a number of cases. I see this,
00:34:34.480
and I think the Chinese see this as a proxy war. They don't see it as a fight between Russians and
00:34:40.780
Ukrainians. They see it as China versus the United States. And so whatever is happening on the
00:34:48.080
battlefield, as Tony points out, we damn well better win. Because if we don't, we are going to see the
00:34:54.560
Chinese and Russians move on the rest of Europe, move on Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines. We can see Iran
00:35:01.060
start to pressure Israel, North Korea, pressuring South Korea. This is global war, and we're at the
00:35:07.740
cusp of it. And we need a commander in chief who has the foresight to understand what's going on
00:35:13.220
and the will to resist the Chinese and the Russians. Unfortunately, we don't have that.
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And do you think the Ayatollahs, Xi Jinping, will be gracious enough to wait until our November
00:35:27.840
election of 2024 for such leadership to emerge? Or do you think there might be some pressure upon
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them, say, in the spring of 2024, perhaps early summer, to attack Taiwan, to attack wherever they
00:35:45.220
wish this triad of evil that has been established now? I mean, that is the critical question facing
00:35:54.020
the world. There are a number of factors that I'm sure are influencing Xi Jinping. One of them is
00:36:00.720
that the Chinese military is not ready to fight. But that doesn't mean they won't fight because Xi
00:36:06.780
Jinping has internal incentives to do this, including a failing country. The factors are going to be the
00:36:13.280
U.S. presidential election, as you point out, is going to be uppermost in Xi Jinping's mind.
00:36:18.520
I'm sure he wants to fight a Biden rather than a Trump. On the other hand, he's also looking at
00:36:24.960
the Taiwan election calendar. Taiwan has its presidential election on the 13th of January of
00:36:31.020
next year. And there are some important internal developments going on in this campaign that I think
00:36:36.800
are going to affect the way Xi Jinping thinks about timing. One of them is that...
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One of them is that William Lai, the vice president, is currently the frontrunner. But he's the frontrunner
00:36:48.720
because the pro-China candidates are now divided among two declared candidates and a possible third
00:36:55.080
one. If the pro-China candidates can unify, then I think that Xi Jinping would like to believe that he
00:37:01.620
can win in the January 13th election. If they can't unify and he believes that William Lai will prevail,
00:37:08.460
then he could very well decide to move before that election. So there are a lot of things that
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Xi Jinping is going to be affected by. We don't know exactly how he mixes all this. But the one
00:37:20.220
thing we can say is that we do not understand the incentives he's working on. We don't understand it
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fully. And also, he can take us by surprise because we have a Pentagon and we have an Oval Office that has
00:37:32.420
very little sense of urgency and is not looking at the internal factors inside China and Taiwan right now.
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Tony, thanks so much for being with us, Gordon. Thank you, gentlemen. We're out of time and look forward to our
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conversation next week. And let's all keep praying because it's going to take some forbearance on the part of our
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enemies, I believe, to avoid taking opportunistic advantage of this great nation. Let's pray not.
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Gentlemen, thank you so much. God bless you both.
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Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer, thank you, gentlemen. And thanks, everybody, for joining us. Our guest here
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