J6 A MARXIST CRIME
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The Marxist Dem's Special Counsel's team is to appear in a Florida courtroom today. Their purpose? To hound and politically persecute President Trump. They want to keep evidence from the man they are trying to put in prison.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show. Welcome. Great to have you
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with us. And you know, Americans have fallen into a bad habit or two. We used to be known world over
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for being plain-spoken, hard-working, fairly modest, and God-fearing, known as well for our
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ingenuity, our sense of humor, and being plain-spoken. As you know, we've lost credit for
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many of those values and traits over the decades. But plain-spoken is a virtue we can easily reclaim
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for our national character. Too often, folks seem to be holding back to avoid hurt feelings,
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to avoid sensitive subjects, to avoid direct answers to direct questions, or fancy up titles
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like garbage workers or sanitation workers, teachers or educators, news reporters are really
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correspondents, and soldiers and sailors are now service members. The Democrats were liberals.
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Then, they were progressives. Some will now admit to being outright socialists, but they still don't
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want to be what most of them really are. They're at best Marxist Democrats, some outright communists.
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So leftists, be warned. You're now in American territory with The Great America Show,
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and we do try to be plain-spoken here. And is everybody ready? Because here we go.
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The Marxist Dems Special Counsel Jack Smith's team is to appear in a Florida courtroom today.
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Their purpose? To hound and to politically persecute President Donald Trump. Smith is seeking a
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protective court order to prevent President Trump and his team from delaying the trial for the FBI raid
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on Mar-a-Lago and their seizure of presidential documents. In the Marxist motion to be heard by
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Judge Eileen Cannon today, the Marxist activist Smith wants the court to keep some information and
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material withheld from the president. Smith demanding that President Trump not be able
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to see certain subjects, to talk about certain subjects. Now he wants to keep evidence from the
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man Smith is trying to put in prison. The filing states this, quote,
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The defense may not disclose classified information to the defendants unless that same information has
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been previously disclosed to the defense by the defendants or provided by the government with
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markings indicated it may be disclosed to the defendants, end quote. What happened to plain-spoken,
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right? It seems highly peculiar to me that a prosecutor would be withholding potentially
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critical documents from any defense, which in my non-lawy opinion should certainly guarantee the
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president an appeal depending the outcome of the case. President Trump was our special guest
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yesterday on the Great America Show and had this to say about the weaponization of the federal
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government and in particular the Justice Department and just how much money that corrupt Department of
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Justice has spent to harass, to hound, and try to destroy him.
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The Justice Department, or the Injustice Department as we call it, is literally weaponized. It's
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weaponized against a political candidate that's leading, think of it, a political candidate that's
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leading Biden by many points and also leading the Republicans by many points. And they've weaponized
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that nobody thought it was possible over nonsense. And they've spent, I guess now the number is 11
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million, but that's as of a couple of months ago. So that number would be like 20 million, 25 million
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dollars. And don't forget, you have to do one other thing. You have to add to that the Mueller report where
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they spent 48 million dollars and all of the other nonsense. They probably spent hundreds of millions of
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dollars on trying to get me. These are long-time fascists and Marxists and communists in our country.
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And we got to win in 24 or we're going to lose our country.
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As President Trump said, 2024 is a must-win for the republic to survive the untold evil the Marxist
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Dems have unleashed on America. And Dr. Fauci comes to mind. He still may be in hiding, but that's not
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stopping members of Congress from looking into some of his highly unethical and questionable things
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done while at the National Institutes of Health. Congresswoman Kathy McMorris Rogers, the chair of the
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House Energy and Commerce Committee, released a report this week that accuses Fauci and other health
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officials of illegally approving 26 billion dollars in grants paid for, of course, by you and me,
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the American taxpayers. Rogers said 14 NIH officials, including Dr. Fauci, held unlawful positions
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and exercised authority that they didn't have, which included approving 26 billion dollars in grants.
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She accused the NIH of misleading the committee over the past year of the investigation.
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As you know, in Washington, accountability is hard to come by.
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Turning now to a topic that has little to no accountability, the January 6th committee
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and all the evil that they have spawned. For the past two and a half years, the government has been
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overcharging and illegally charging and holding defendants. One defendant has the courage to take
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on the system. January 6th defendant Edward Jacob Lang is asking the Supreme Court to hear his
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challenge against one of the 11 charges against him. That charge is obstruction of an official
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proceeding, a charge that could carry a 20-year sentence. Before his trial, the plaintiff filed a
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motion to dismiss the obstruction charge, which was granted by the D.C. District Court,
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then ultimately overturned by the corrupt appellate court. Jacob's attorney says the obstruction
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charge could be levied against anyone who attends a public demonstration gone awry. The charge is
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nothing less than the weaponization of the penal code to stifle dissent. It sets a terrifying precedent
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unworthy of this nation's history. I want to bring in now our guest. He's Stephen Sund, the former chief
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of Capitol Hill Police. He was there on January 6th in charge of the Capitol Police Department. Stephen,
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it's great to have you with us here on The Great America Show. We're delighted that you took the time
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to be with us. As I said, we're two and a half years distant from January 6th. Do you feel any
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differently today than them? Well, first, thank you very much for having me on, Lou. It's a pleasure to be on
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your show today. It's interesting. You know, the first couple of weeks after January 6th, you know, I was
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shell-shocked, I'd say, having done a 30-year career, law enforcement career, in the city.
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So I was a little shell-shocked. You know, I did my best to try and communicate. And a lot of people
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may not know this. I talk about it in my book. With leadership, I wrote an eight-page letter to
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leadership, got zero responses. And at the time, I think I was still pretty darn close to what we're
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going to see. We're going to see this is going to turn into an institutional failing on a number of
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levels. But I've come to just learn a lot more. At the time, I didn't realize just how bad some of the
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response was from the military, just how bad some of the intelligence that existed coming into January
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6th was, that was not made available to me. And just how bad the oversight of the Capitol Police
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was, the political oversight, which has not changed to this day. So you'd think, you know, coming up,
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here we are, like you said, over two years, almost two and a half years. And it's still a mess
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downtown. The issues, I think, that occurred, I have no more better feeling wouldn't occur again.
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So I think I've just gotten to know the fidelity a little bit clearer since January 6th, 2021.
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And I want to, again, you're going to hear me say this several times during our discussion here.
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The book is Courage Under Fire. And the author, of course, is Stephen Sund. And Steve,
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I just, your sense, your opinion about that day, has it changed over that time?
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It's changed since the original event occurred. I'd say it's changed considerably. And, you know,
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gosh, where do you, you know, where do you want to start? There's so many different avenues we can go
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down. But, you know, like I was saying, when you find out just, you know, one about the intelligence
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that existed. And I've done major events in Washington, D.C. for years. I've had concerns
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for terrorism come up. I've worked closely with the Bureau, closely with DHS. And none of the
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intelligence this time seemed to be handled the way it was in previous events. They'd do conference
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calls. They'd do an executive briefing. They'd bring the chiefs down for a secure briefing in the
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WFO. None of that occurred this time. No joint intelligence bulletin came out. And now you look
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at the threat streams associated with this. It's just, it's very concerning when you look at that.
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And then you think, you know, the National Guard, you know, had 340 National Guard personnel activated
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to support the D.C. request. And we'll go to my request. And they wouldn't move any of those
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personnel, many within eyesight for hours. And I was begging and pleading on the phone with the
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Pentagon for them to send me any assistance they could. And they wouldn't move them for hours.
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They arrived basically when the fight was over. But yeah, you look at it and it's just, you know,
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the more I learn, the more I realize, you know, Congress was the one responsible for passing the
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law. I'm the only chief in the United States of America that actually has a law. It's 2USC 1970 and
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2USC 1974 that requires I go and I get Capitol Police Board approval and congressional leadership
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approval prior to bringing in any federal resources in advance of an event. I wanted the National Guard.
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January 3rd, I went and asked multiple times for the National Guard with the Sergeant Arms and was
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denied. And that's a law Congress passed. And that law to this, to a certain extent, still exists.
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The only thing they changed is during an emergency, like we had on January 6th, I don't have to go to
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the Capitol Police Board anymore. I can. The chief can request it on their own. But the funny thing is
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they made it revocable by leadership. You know, so it's still way too politicized. And when you mix
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political oversight with law enforcement security, it's a recipe for disaster.
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I can't imagine how it could have been much more politicized than it was.
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That environment, as we look back on it, and I agree with you, the intelligences that I've
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looked at over these two years, I'm just stunned at how incomplete the chain of command was in what
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it knew from one level to the next. I am stunned by the idea that somehow this was going to be a benign
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and not an unruly event, despite the hyper-political charged nation in which it was occurring in the
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nation's capital. I would have just thought common sense in most cases would have been enough to say,
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let's beef up, let's get ready for whatever transpires. I never thought it would end up with
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the violence that it did in several places. But on the whole, to look at that day, I have to wonder
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why the leadership, you're talking about the Sergeant of Arms, the Sergeant of Arms reported
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That is absolutely correct. The House Sergeant of Arms report, Paul Irving reported to Speaker Pelosi.
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And Nancy Pelosi is the one pushing back against any further, and I'm not speaking about this as a
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partisan. I am with, I will tell you straight up, I am a partisan. I happen to believe that Donald Trump
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is the man of this time in our history. And I think he was denied the presidency for a number of
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reasons, the January 6th among them, and the way in which the Democrats exploited it. But I want to
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ask you, why do you believe she did not want to bring troops, whatever reinforcements she could,
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There was a concern, and I found this out later from Michael Stinger, the Senate Sergeant of Arms,
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there was a concern over the look, the optics, as she said. And I'll tell you, this is, now I found a
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little bit more as we look into January 6th. So shortly after January 6th, I want to say maybe
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October 2021, I was able to have a couple meetings with Stinger. We had both left the department he
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had mentioned. I said, hey, how did you know I was coming over to your office staff for the National
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Guard? And he explained how. And I said, well, why such a quick denial? And he said, Paul Irving was
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absolutely against it because he said Pelosi would never go for it because of the optics. And it was a
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concern. I believe she was the one that referred to National Guard and the federal
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agents on the streets of cities during the 2020 riots as stormtroopers. And she didn't want that
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look on the hill. Well, the look we had was a whole lot worse. And you talk about what occurred
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that day. Any loss of life is absolutely tragic. The shooting that we had, nobody wants to see any
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loss of life. But when you think about what could have happened and you think about, I had members of
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Congress, Tim Ryan, you know, who wasn't a big supporter of law enforcement as it was, but
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nonetheless was screaming at me afterwards why we didn't open fire on the on the group. That would
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have been a hell of a dark day for America. Good Lord. If if law enforcement had just gone ahead and
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opened up fire, open fire. And as you and I are talking here, hundreds, hundreds of J6 political
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prisoners, because I believe that's what they are, remain in federal custody in jails and prisons
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around the D.C. area. And in nearly every instance. So again, this is my opinion. Every prosecutor
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overcharged, every judge over sentenced. It's the most, I think, heinous transgression against this
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country's values and constitutional rights I've ever seen. So I'll tell you this. And again,
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I talk about this in the book. I'm a rule of law type of person. I'm a constitutionalist. I'm a rule
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of law type person. And when you look at, you know, what's what's going on and the response and the
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prosecutions you had and the claims of the insurrection for January 6th, you know, let's
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harken back to was it May 30th through June 2nd, 2020, when you had the crowds attacking the White
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House. You had in January 6th, you had approximately 100, a little over 170 officers
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injured December. I mean, 2020 down at the White House, you had over 180 officers. So more officers
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were injured down at the White House. They shut down White House operations. They forced the president
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to retreat down into the bunker and staff. That's shutting down a government operation. That's just
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as much an insurrection as what occurred up on the Hill by definition.
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Right. Well, how many of those were prosecuted? It's my understanding. All charges were dropped
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against them. You had multiple cases of arson. They lit structures on fire in Lafayette Park. They
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lit St. John's Church on fire and they tried to light the Hay Adams Hotel, which is occupied on fire.
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Well, the rule of law is critically important to this nation. And I believe that the rule of law
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law has never been more vulnerable and in jeopardy for a host of reasons, which we'll take
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up with Stephen Sun, the former chief of the Capitol Police Department. We're coming right back
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with Steve. Stay with us after these quick words from our sponsors.
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And we're back now with Stephen Sun. We're talking about the January 6th, of course. And I want to tell
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you that his book, Courage Under Fire, I want to recommend it to you highly. Under Siege,
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outnumbered 58 to 1 on January 6th. He was the man in the in the cauldron on that day. We were just
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talking about the difference in the way in which Antifa, left-wing demonstrators and protesters and
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rioters were treated and that those who were both rioters and as well innocent, in my judgment,
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absolutely innocent victims and political prisoners. I think you're making a great point
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because as you say, you're a man of law and an officer of the law as well. It is incredible,
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this system of justice that's being denied to millions of Americans. And frankly, there is no
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uprising. I'm astonished there hasn't been on the part of the Republican Party, independents and
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everyone else who has been, who is threatened by this ugliness that is emanating from the Department
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of Justice, the FBI, and of course, the White House. Like I said, you know, being the rule of
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law person, I agree. When you look at, you know, the way the rioters were treated during 2020 versus
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the 2021 event up at the Capitol, definitely a stark difference. There seems to be, you know,
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an attack on the rule of law. There seems to be attack on First Amendment. And it's very concerning
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with the youth. I agree that, you know, it's concerning that there wasn't an uprising in
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2020 and demand for, you know, civility to the, what do they call them, mostly peaceful protests.
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And then, you know, you see the reaction that they had up at the Capitol. And I got to tell you,
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when you look at the way the intelligence was dubbed down, the way the military wouldn't come
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to my assistance, the way I had to wait 71 minutes while we were under attack, Lou, 71 minutes while
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my officers were fighting on the West Front before I could get approval from the Capitol Police Board
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to even bring in federal resources. Think about that. It took 81 minutes before the first window
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of the Capitol was broken. People don't realize. If they really were concerned about, you know,
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stopping that, they would have given me the resources I needed and given me an approval to
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bring in federal resources much, much quicker. It's hard not to think that there's, you know,
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something a little more nefarious behind this. I want to get your sense of what is behind it
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and why, for example, was there such a quick denial on the part of the military? Why was there such a
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quick and apparently standing rejection of your request for more support, reinforcements, and troops
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by the Speaker of the House when everyone was watching a very large number of people
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So a lot of a lot of different aspects to that that question. I will let's go back and first look at the
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at the military. When you now realize that General Milley and Christopher Miller, the acting secretary of defense,
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both on the Sunday, January 3rd, the same day that I was talking about getting the National Guard,
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were on a conference call talking about shutting down the city because they were so worried about
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the level of violence that was expected. Yet the very next day, Christopher Miller puts out a memo
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that restricts the National Guard from carrying any civil disturbance and cure, any helmets, riot shields,
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anything like that. That just doesn't make any sense. They're so worried about the violence taking place
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on the Capitol. They talked about revoking the permits on the Capitol. You know who signs those
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permits? I do. My intelligence unit actually recommended approval of those at a low risk of
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civil disobedience. That's the type of intelligence that I was getting. And all the intelligence I
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outlined clearly make available in the book. Literally, it was told it was going to be just like
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the previous two demonstrations. Matter of fact, one of the deputy chiefs in charge of intelligence
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was briefing members of Congress on that Tuesday before January 6th, on January 5th,
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that it was going to be just like the previous two events. So my hands going into this are tied
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because if the intelligence doesn't portray what we're expecting, I'm not going to get the approval
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for better fencing, mutual aid, National Guard. So we're hamstrung going into it. So that's one aspect
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of why the military was such a big problem. And think about it. Even while we're under attack,
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and they won't send any military assistance, even what people, military officers, and now it turns
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out they did have the right gear with them, that were within eyesight of the Capitol, they sent
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Pentagon resources to generals' homes to protect their homes. But they wouldn't send them to the
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Capitol. That's just ludicrous. Why is it that, in your judgment, the intelligence was so far off?
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What was the source of that intelligence? Was it, did you have your own agents and officers
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in that regard, finding out what's going on, trying to, or was it the Metropolitan Police? Was it,
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Okay. So the way it works is I do have, I have a intelligence division. They're a intelligence
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division, which is part of the Capitol Police. They're not part of the IC, the statutory IC.
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They work closely with DHS, work closely with FBI. And within there, I have analysts.
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Then I have directors and assistant directors, and then within my intelligence unit. So they
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should have been working real closely with the FBI, getting access to some intelligence. I'm now
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finding out that there was a fair amount of intelligence provided to them. There's a number
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of whistleblowers, just like you're seeing, come out in the FBI. Within my own agency, there were
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several whistleblowers within the intelligence unit that has come out and said, hey, we're pushing all
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this intelligence up. It wasn't being included in the intelligence assessments being provided to
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Well, bottleneck, but you tend to wonder why. There was a intelligence briefing by my intelligence
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unit on January 4th. Guess who they didn't invite? Me. I've probably got the most experience of any
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police officer up on Capitol Hill handling major demonstrations, and they don't invite me to
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That came out of the Protective Services Bureau that oversees the intelligence unit. There's a
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deputy chief, Gallagher, that coordinated the meeting with his staff. So somewhere in that line,
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they elected not to have me there. What's interesting is they were later asked by
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Carol Lennig of the Washington Post, hey, why wasn't Chief Sunning invited to this? And the department's
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response was, because it wasn't a meeting he would usually attend. This was more of a discussion
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operational meeting. This isn't a meeting Sun would usually attend. Well, I find that odd because I
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always attended intelligence meetings. I always ask specific questions. And if you sure as hell think
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the Capitol is about to come under attack and members of Congress are going to be at risk of losing
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their lives or injury, you sure as heck would expect this chief of police to be invited. That's just
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nonsense. As we look at the sequence that day, the west side, the exit door that's left wide open,
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309 demonstrators walk in peacefully. They might as well have been invited and handed ID bracelets.
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How did that happen? And what was the spark that turned that demonstration for many of those
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Yeah, the spark is interesting because as you as you're coming up to 1253 is when the fight on the
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west front began. 1241, I think it was we had the 1242. We had the suspicious package found over at the
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Republican National Committee. So we're dealing with the pipe bomb. 1253, I look down, I see a group
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of protesters approaching the west front and wide officers down at what's called the Pennsylvania
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Avenue and Maryland Avenue walkways. They approach and almost immediately begin fighting with my
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officers. We don't have we don't have audio from the cameras, so I can't hear what's being said down
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there. But afterwards, you see what looks like some people almost instigating some of the
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some of the crowd into into attacking my officers, an individual by the name of Ray Epps. He was seen
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the day before talking about the need to get into the Capitol. He's seen down at the I believe it's
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the Pennsylvania Avenue walkway just moments before, you know, whispering in the ear of one of the
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rioters. And then all of a sudden, the rider starts, you know, fighting with my officers.
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So I don't know what the spark was that that kicked it off. I've had many demonstrations that I've
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handled. I've never seen it. Who was that that was whispering in his ear? A gentleman by the name
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of it. They were identified as Ray Epps. And that that gentleman has been the focal point of from
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almost the very beginning of the after action reporting, I'll put it that way, a prominent role.
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And we know absolutely nothing about him. We're going to we're going to continue, obviously,
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with Stephen Sund, who is the former chief of the Capitol Police. And I want to I want to carry
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it from here, Steve, to who were those folks instigating? What do you think their roles were?
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And how did they come to be on the on the Capitol grounds that day? We're going to continue
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with Stephen Sund right after these quick words. Stay with us.
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We're back. We're talking with Stephen Sund and his book is Courage Under Fire. I just, again,
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want to recommend it to you highly. And Steve, let's let's let's talk about the the spark.
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And you're you're highlighting one instance of what looked to you to be obviously instigation
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with Ray Epps standing there whispering in the ear of a person who went on. If I'm if I'm
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reporting on your words correctly, went on to to breach the Capitol.
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Well, not went on to breach the the barricade that was right there, the individual that started
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fighting with the officers. I'm not sure where they ultimately ended up, but I do address address
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it in the book. It's you know, it's interesting. You see it come up and you see the people begin
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to fight. And I will say you had what looked like core groups of people in the in the crowds
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that were fighting with the officers. I do think there was a number of people that, you know,
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I'd refer to them, I don't know, the term strap hangers that maybe they were like, hey, just,
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you know, coming along to see what was going what was happening. But you look at, you know,
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what I was seeing from in the command center. And you're absolutely right. I was in the center
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of this. I'm up in the command center at twelve fifty three. I see them hit the officers on the
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west front begin fighting. And like I said, I've never seen a group come and immediately start
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getting that confrontational with officers. And I've done demonstrations for years.
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I immediately called the Washington, D.C. Police Department or partner agencies for
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the assistance and for mutual aid. They immediately sent in officers. My next call
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was the sergeant arms. And that's when the seventy one minute clock starts ticking. When you see some
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of the worst fighting happen, you know, as I look down in the crowd, I saw people, people that were
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coming up there jabbing my officers with flagpoles and spray their own kind of chemical spray.
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I saw one that one protester fall of a heart attack from me as we were watching the command
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center. But there was a number of people that clearly came with a with a goal. I'm not gonna
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say it was everybody in the crowd, but clearly came with a goal of breaching, breaching the capital at
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all costs. A lot of those officers, especially the D.C. police, who I used to work with for over
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twenty five years, they're hardened CDU civil disturbance unit officers. And they were they were battling
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pretty hard to keep the people out of the out of the capital. And eighty one minutes is a long time
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to fight before the first window is broken. You had brought up about the the door. I'll tell you
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the door. I'm just hearing more about, I think, just the news yesterday. You got to understand,
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you know, Nancy Pelosi goes on national TV the very next day, calls for my resignation.
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I talked to the Capitol Police Board, submit my letter of resignation, doing a couple of week
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transition. The very next day, I get a call at home the morning of the very next day and says,
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you're out immediately. And who do they put? They put the assistant chief in charge of intelligence
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back in to be the acting chief. The one who forgot to bring you to a meeting.
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Yeah. Yeah. Ultimately, it was her it was her division. So and the failure of intelligence. But
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needless to say, so I'm out. So I wasn't there when they're going through all the the video footage
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and stuff like that. But to see what was happening, like when you look at you have two doors,
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you have an Upper West Terrace door, which is the very top terrace of the Capitol looking at it from
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the the mall. And then you have what's called the Lower West Terrace, the Lower West Terrace door.
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We had video on. We were watching it from the command center. And I was watching that battle go on.
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And that that fight went on for hours. Little did we know the door right above it. Someone,
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an officer, according to the reporting now, escorted a couple of protesters that are inside the Capitol
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out, opened a fire door, which didn't re-secure. You know, we're fighting like hell to defend the
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door below while the door above is wide open. And, you know, you have 300 protesters enter in
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through that door. Yeah, that wasn't something at the time we knew about in the command center. I
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think that's come out with the video. And I will tell you this. All for the release of the video,
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I'm a I'm all about transparency. I'm all about, you know, the the facts getting out there.
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I think, you know, some some of the video gets interpreted, you know, a little differently
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how people watch it. But needless to say, I just want to put that out there. I'm,
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I'm, you know, all in favor of it being out. There is a strong apparent, apparently feeling
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on the leadership of the Republican Party, Speaker McCarthy and others that to release that video
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would be to to jeopardize security. I am, as you would guess, given my career,
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I'm all about the public's right to know. And I'm all all squared up against elites,
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no matter whether they be government officials, whomever they may be looking down on the American
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people as if they're idiot sheep who can't make judgments for themselves. I really deeply resent
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what the Republicans are doing about this video. And I would I hope they change it. I want to get
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your opinion as well. Well, they're making a lot of it available. And I will tell you the
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there are probably are a very limited instances where, you know, certain security features and
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concerns could be portrayed and they can easily be blurred out. And I think those will be addressed.
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So to blankingly say they don't want to release it, I think I think that wasn't good. You know,
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wasn't good. Now you look at any any crime that occurs anywhere, especially one involving police
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officers, the body worn cameras usually released within two weeks. So you look at it, what concerns
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me is when you start seeing things like the January 6 committee using some of the video footage. And
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I'll tell you, all our all our camera systems have video, none of them have audio, right? And there's a
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couple of instances where there was audio that was imported to make it sound more dramatic. Let me tell
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you, if a police police officer, a police chief ever changed body worn camera footage and change the audio,
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they'd be fired and probably brought up on charges.
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And that's exactly what the J six committee did. And if that were only the only sin they committed,
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I think I might be somewhat assuaged, but they committed crime after crime against truth, reason,
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justice, and this nation. I think that the entire January 6 committee should be brought up on charges
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for their despicable corrupt acts of political persecution. I want to ask you, how how large do you
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think the FBI contingents with all of your knowledge, with the intelligence that you're being fed, all that
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you're aware of? How big a role did the FBI play in what happened on January 6?
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Well, that's, I mean, that's, that's, that's a pretty big question. How big of a role did they
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play? I'll tell you when you, when you, when you look at it and more and more information is coming
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out, I think the GAO just had a report that came out March of 2023 that talked about like 41 federal
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agents were in the crowd. I'll tell you, I got a call shortly after January 6 from a reporter is
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actually an overseas reporter. And they started asking about the FBI having agents in the crowd
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tracking domestic terrorists. And at the time I thought I would have known if they were tracking
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domestic terrorists. It would have obviously told me I have a great relationship with the Bureau.
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And now you find out more and more, there's more reporting coming out. Now you find out the GAO is
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reporting. There's multiple federal agents in the crowd. You, you, you begin to, you begin to wonder.
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Um, but I think there was probably, I think there was probably a number of undercover, what role they
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played. Uh, just, it'd just be a guess. You know, I mean, it'd just be, I can't, can't really say
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what role they played, but it now appears in depth probably had some in the crowd.
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I, I, I'll, I'll ask it this way. Do you think that Ray Epps is being protected by the FBI?
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Um, your best judgment. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think another article came out today
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saying that it appears, uh, there's some type of protection being done. You know, I, I, I don't
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know. I will say, you know, I think he came out on 60 minutes and did an interview. And the one
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thing I'll say, he said he went up and what he was telling the office, the, uh, protester, what he
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went up and whispered in the protesters ear is, Hey, these officers are our friends. They're,
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they're not our enemies. Don't hurt the officers. And then immediately the guy attacks my
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officers. Let me, let me ask you this. If you're going to go and you see all these confrontational
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protesters and you're going to tell them, Hey, these officers are, you know, they're doing their
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job. They're not our enemies or our friends don't attack them. Why would you go and whisper it in
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the person's ear and cover your, cover your lips. So people can't lip read, uh, when you yell it to
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the entire group, something's just, it's just not holding water in my view. Um, there's so many,
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so many things to, to January 6th that, you know, I, I address as many of them as I can in the book
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that raised a lot of concerns, but that is definitely another one that I think, um, just
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hasn't been fully answered, you know, his role. And the book is courage under fire. I want to ask you
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here as, uh, as we continue to approach the end of this discussion, uh, Lieutenant Byrd, uh, Lieutenant
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Michael Byrd shot and killed Ashley Babbitt as she went through, uh, entered, uh, an office area
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in the Capitol, your thoughts about the way in which the department handled that, uh, and whether
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or not Ashley Babbitt to this day deserves justice. You know, uh, like, like I said before, I think any
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lost life is, is tragic. Um, you know, as I, as I explained before, I was immediately removed,
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uh, after January 6th. So I had no involvement in, uh, his investigation, no involvement in any
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of the review of the shooting, no involvement in any of that. So, um, it'd, it'd be tough to guess.
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I do try and address it as best I can in the book in the sense of, you know, these officers, it took,
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she was, uh, she was shot actually while I was on the phone with the Pentagon begging for assistance,
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uh, at 2 43 PM. Uh, they broke the first window at 2 13, I think it was 2 11, 2 12. Um, and that was
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81 minutes into the fight. So these officers had been hearing the, the group progressing, you know,
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getting closer and closer and closer, uh, when you have a, a, a protectee and it's a statutory, uh,
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protectee as of the Capitol police as the members of Congress, and you have people that are coming
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through. And, uh, if you feel it's a threat to bodily, serious bodily injury or death, and they're
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coming through the last, um, um, um, physical, uh, divider you have between your, uh, your protectee.
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Um, I don't care if it's secret service at the white house or, you know, the, uh, security over
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at the, uh, Buckingham palace. Uh, I think, you know, at that point, you know, officers are going
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to be rationed up and probably going to a higher level of force. So, uh, I wasn't there for the
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investigation, so I can't really make a statement on what I feel about it, but, um, there was a bad
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situation. I'm just glad it wasn't worse. You know, people don't realize, you know, why during
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that 71 minutes while I was waiting for approval from the Capitol police board, I was still calling
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in all my friends. I called in 17 law enforcement agencies, over 1700 officers, uh, and the, the,
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uh, restraint they used, I think they were very professional in how they handled things. Uh, and
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I'm just glad they were, you know, there wasn't more, uh, use of lethal force.
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Yeah, I am too. And I, I have to tell you that, that, that instance of, uh, lethal force
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was not only a regrettable, but I, I think, uh, frankly, um, it was a time when the, the
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police department, the Capitol police should have without question, uh, use due process and
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a full investigation rather than to simply dismiss it and, uh, uh, try to brush it under
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the rug. Uh, I think that is an offense against everything this country stands for.
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And I, the one thing I'll add on that, just, just from my experience with Washington DC police,
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please realize anytime there's a homicide and her, uh, uh, death would have been declared a
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homicide. Just it's a process of how, um, the criminal investigation is done. The Washington
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DC police department takes the lead investigation. So there would have been three agencies, uh,
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investigating that, uh, DOJ, um, FBI, DOJ, uh, Washington DC police would have had the lead
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and then Capitol police would have been in support. So, you know, I wouldn't say it was
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completely dismissed, um, uh, by any means there would have been, you know, some form of an
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investigation, not one that was transparent to the American people. I'll guarantee you that
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Steve, do you feel like you are the scapegoat for what happened, uh, for all sorts of reasons
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on January 6th? You know, I'll, I'll tell you, um, there it's, it gets real interesting. I don't
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want to, you know, put myself out there as the, uh, as a scapegoat. I think, um, full investigations
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need to be done. Uh, it'd be nice to find out why intelligence was handled the way it was handled.
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Uh, it would be really nice, uh, you know, especially when, when Mark Miller, General Milley,
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I'm sorry, General Milley, uh, Mark Milley, we know had communications with, uh, Pelosi on a
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regular basis, why he was so concerned about the level of intelligence he had. We know he had
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communications prior to January 6th with the Speaker of the House. Uh, so the big question I have is,
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did she know the intelligence, uh, the threat that was coming and why was the, um, National Guard
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denied, uh, and not sent to my, uh, my assistants when they had such a dire, uh, concern just days
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before. Uh, so when you start looking at all that, something's just not adding up.
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Yeah. Well, so much doesn't add up about all of this.
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One, first and foremost to me is the, is the, it's the issue of the political prisoners that
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are being held in the gulag of DC, uh, the way in which they have been treated by the judiciary,
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but, uh, by the federal, uh, Department of Justice and, uh, the FBI, of course, it's an outrage.
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It's an obscenity. What is happening to this country? It's judicial system, it's law enforcement,
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federal law enforcement. Uh, it's a shame. We always give our guests, Steve, uh, the last word,
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uh, and I appreciate you being with us and I've enjoyed talking with you and I appreciate you
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taking the time. Your concluding thoughts, if you will, sir. I would say I'm, um, absolutely agree
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with you. You know, um, I'm really concerned, you know, FBI, we had a really good relationship with
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them. I just, uh, I get concerned when you hear about what's going on over there. And, uh, I'll
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tell you with what's happening in our, in our country, you know, uh, the American people need
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to wake up and see what's, see what's happening. Um, and I'll tell you, there's, you know, it's
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been great talking to you. There's so much more, uh, to what, what happened up there. So, you know,
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I appreciate the comments about the book. I think people will get a lot out of it, but it's been,
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uh, a pleasure talking to you. Uh, I just hope, you know, as more investigations are done,
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more answers will come out of this and, you know, things will actually, actually, uh, be corrected.
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Well, I would like you to come back and let's continue our conversation, uh, and soon, if you
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will. Absolutely. Thank you, sir. Thanks everybody for being with us. Our guest here tomorrow will be
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