J6 COVERUP
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Summary
On January 6th, thousands of people took to the streets of Washington, D.C. to protest against the Democratic National Committee's effort to delegitimize Donald Trump's presidential campaign. On the day of the protest, over 200 people were arrested, many of them charged with a variety of felonies, including conspiracy to obstruct justice, conspiracy to commit a crime, and resisting and assaulting federal officers. Defense attorney Joe McBride, who represents five of the defendants charged, provides an update on the situation.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. Great to have you with us.
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We're getting very little information out of Ukraine now over the past week.
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We know almost nothing about which cities are controlled by the Russian invaders and which are held by the Ukrainians.
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We have almost nothing in the way of credible casualty counts from either side,
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and there are no independent entities operating in active combat areas of Ukraine.
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We do know that the Biden White House wants Congress to put up $33 billion to support Ukraine in the war.
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Europe has done next to nothing for Ukraine and certainly hasn't put even a respectable fraction up of that $33 billion.
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It's time for all of us mayor citizens in this country to make it clear to our lawmakers that they're not sending our troops to Ukraine.
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They're not about to put up a no-fly zone and that Europeans, our good friends, are going to spend their money to support their neighbor.
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We're not going to allow these pitiful dipsticks we sent to Congress and the Senate to get us into a war that has zero to do with our national interest
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and which has maximum interest and impact for the European nations.
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And further, Americans aren't going to war to suit the fantasies of an impaired president
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and who we will never permit to be a wartime president under no circumstances.
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The Marxist left and the rhino liberals are as authoritarian in values and ideology as Vladimir Putin, in my view,
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and they seem to be trying to condition the country to accept the idea of war with Russia.
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We must pledge that this Biden regime will not succeed in their bloodlust.
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And now we have reports our government and its deep state leaders have expanded their ambitions of power
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and unconstitutional activities right here in our country.
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The Wall Street Journal reporting that the FBI conducted millions of warrantless searches of American citizens' data.
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The Office of National Intelligence disclosed the FBI over the past year did as many as 3.4 million illegal searches of data collected previously by Biden's national security staff.
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And it won't quit until we, the people, make it so.
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The January 6th committee is going about its partisan witch hunt and inquisition and persecution of hundreds of Trump supporters
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all caught up in the January 6th rally in Washington, the demonstrations that followed near and around the Capitol,
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and in some cases, the riots that extended into the Capitol.
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But we're also learning that police officers did much that day to provoke violence,
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and they committed violence against many of our fellow citizens who had every right to be where they were and doing what they did,
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demonstrating peacefully and orderly on the Capitol grounds.
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What happened that afternoon is a great tragedy.
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What has followed in the 16 months since is a national disgrace,
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for which the Democrat Party leadership is morally responsible?
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Our guest today is Defense Attorney Joe McBride.
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He represents five of the defendants charged for their actions on January 6th.
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Two of his clients have been in jail for more than a year now.
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And I must say that what is happening in our court system and prison system to these defendants is an outrage.
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And it's hard to believe this is actually occurring in the capital city of this great nation.
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Joe McBride, welcome back to The Great America Show.
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We've been looking forward to your update on your clients and the other defendants,
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all charged with what in many, if not most, politically motivated charges.
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It's good to be here, Lou, and I appreciate all the great work you do, as always.
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I have two clients who are still in pretrial detention, two of my five.
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One of my colleagues, John, represents John Kiyonaga.
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I believe three or four of his guys are in as well.
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But my two guys have been in each for over a year.
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That would be Ryan Nichols and Christopher Quaglia.
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That is, I mean, it's disheartening to hear that.
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You have everything from glorified trespasses to assaulting and resisting or impeding officers,
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federal officers, and inflicting bodily injury.
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There's a lot of accusations that officers were harmed that day by, despite the fact that they
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If somebody pushed them, that was, you know, felonious assault on an officer.
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It's obviously these guys have been overcharged.
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And, you know, so they're overcharged with those things in terms of, you know, aggression.
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And they also are charged with the 1512, which is obstructing the governmental proceeding
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Any one of these charges can carry 10 or 20 years, all of them together.
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You're looking at, you know, a lifetime in jail if these situations aren't addressed the
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And I know how quickly things can get out of hand.
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The mob, the riot, whatever it is, takes on a life of its own.
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It's a hard thing to explain if people have never been around it.
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Uh, but there become less into a group of, uh, not individuals, but a mob itself, uh, that
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is Oregon, you know, it's, it's one Oregon out there, uh, and people get pushed in one
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They go the other, uh, I would have guessed in any other circumstance that there were
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people, uh, who, you know, could have been, could have run into a police officer, did
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whatever, but the officers would have been very, uh, restrained themselves.
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Uh, do you think that the police were restrained, uh, on January 6th, uh, there?
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Lou, uh, the police were not, uh, restrained, uh, at all.
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What you have is a completely foreseeable, uh, disaster in terms of the amount of people
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who were guaranteed to show up that day, president Trump at the time, uh, a couple of weeks before
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the six had reached out to, uh, mayor Bowser and, uh, Nancy Pelosi and said, Hey, look,
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you know, there's going to be a lot of people there.
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Uh, you guys probably want to accept the national guard's help.
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And, uh, because they told him to go take a walk, they, the, the security, um, fell upon
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them that day to secure the city and to secure the Capitol in a way that made sense.
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And, you know, people walked over from the Washington monument up to the Western terrace
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There was no, do not most of the most, there was no signage.
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Most of the people who got there, any barricades that were down an hour before they arrived.
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The amount of people who showed up that day versus the cops who were there that day was
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just one throng of people versus a very shorthanded staff.
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They listened to their superiors who said, hold down the fort.
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They created conditions for a conflict to ensue.
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And the police took massive aggression against innocent people.
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And that's demonstrated widely at this point on video by the fact that the police started
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firing flashbangs and tear gas into a crowd of people who were doing nothing but singing
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And because of that, what was otherwise a peaceful protest burst into a riot.
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Flashbangs into a crowd that was not advancing toward the police or trying to break into the
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You have people with their backs literally turned and the flashbangs are dropping all
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And, you know, from from that chaos, people people were angry.
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People were like, look, we're just sitting here where we're just praying.
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You hear people mouthing off saying, hey, yeah, you what are you doing this to us for?
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And the cops just kept pushing and pushing and pushing some people in the crowd pushed
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And I assume that that will be part of the defense for many of the of the people who were
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there on the Capitol, the protesters and some of them, of course, rioters.
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I mean, if that happened in the in the way in which you're saying, Joe, that seems to
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me to be some provocation and some basis to certainly at least lessen charges and be
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more reasonable on the part of the prosecutors.
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Unfortunately, in these cases, you have sort of two cohorts of lawyers.
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You have one cohort who just doesn't accept the fact that the cops acted maliciously, despite
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the fact that in their other caseloads, they're talking about what the cops do on a regular
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But when it comes to January Sixers, for whatever reason, they're refusing to accept the idea
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And because of that, they just won't advance the theory in court.
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And then you have a very smaller cohort of lawyers who are doing exactly what you're talking
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But when you look at the mainstream media apparatus in their marriage to the Department
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of Justice and the narrative that's being put out into the public, it becomes an uphill
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battle real fast when you have that level of public perception buying into one narrative
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And then, quite frankly, you have members of the bench who are just I mean, one of the
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And in Trump, a charlatan in the middle of a hearing, you just the level of animus that
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that is being displayed unchecked animus toward toward these people who are innocent until
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proven guilty is unprecedented in American history.
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Frankly, a judge actually on the bench referred to the president as a charlatan.
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And these these protesters, these rally goers as as terrorists.
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You know, I don't want to get myself into too much hot water with him because I'm going
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And it's it's concerning because, you know, it's supposed to be an objective objective
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People aren't supposed to be taking sides here.
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But clearly, the lines have been drawn and it's very unfortunate.
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We were talking with one other attorney who whose client was really very cooperative with
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And then suddenly a few months later, I mean, did nothing, literally did nothing.
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And it's on video doing nothing and was charged, you know, overcharged, as you say, and then
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Despite all of that, there is an attitude in this.
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And I suspect it's because of the, you know, the Democratic influence, the left wing influence
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There isn't I have to say, I would hate to have to be on trial in one of those courts
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because I think I'd be in very, very great trouble because these guys are left wingers
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And, you know, we talk about activist judges, the D.C., D.C. has a reputation of being out
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And we think of the situation with with Matthew Perna.
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Matthew Perna is the January 6th defendant who really who recently took his life, unfortunately.
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So and he he was going to plead out to to a lesser charge, a charge that, you know, some
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people think whatever it is, his lawyer worked him out of deal and the prosecution is supposed
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And then in the 11th hour, they decided that they were going to hit him who he did nothing.
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This was a guy who traveled the world to teach people in English.
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He's one of the most, you know, nice and docile people you could have ever met.
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I've talked to multiple I've spoken to multiple members of his family, hear nothing but great
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He went there that day, was not violent at all, worked out a deal.
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And in the 11th hour, said that they were going to hit him with what's called a terrorism
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enhancement, which would have bumped his chargeable points up under the sentencing scale by eight
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And his, you know, deal of little time in jail quickly went to a lot of time in jail.
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And it was so overwhelming for him that he hung himself.
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That's the level of unfairness that is happening with these cases.
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Well, this is going to be, if it is not already, an act of injustice on the part of the U.S.
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It is, to me, it's astounding what you're saying, what I have heard from, you know, as
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I said, others, I cannot imagine where this, where this leads, because it's going to require,
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it's a political act, this persecution, this prosecution of, of these people.
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It seems to me, there are incidents, I suppose, of actual violence against a police officer by an
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I, I don't know, but what I have seen on video, what I witnessed that day was,
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a mob that got away from itself and lost control and entered the Capitol.
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But, you know, and I was, I was first astonished that people were scaling, scaling the walls of
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You know, the second thing I reacted to was the, the police officers, and I guess this is
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on the West side of the Capitol, were basically escorting people, not escorting them, they were
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waving them in, uh, or at least, you know, indicating that there's no resistance to their entry.
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Uh, it was a peculiar moment to see, uh, as it happened and, but you've got all of that
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video, Joe, the video has to be worth something in a, in a court, even in DC.
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It does have to be, uh, have to be worth something and, um, what it's worth, I guess we're going
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A lot of people seem to think that, oh, just because you're having, uh, the case heard in
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DC, that's a foregone conclusion that you're going to lose at trial.
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And look, in my cases where there's police brutality, where there are men acting in defense
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of themselves and in defense of other people who are being beaten up by the police, you
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know, I had a, we had a big argument the other day on this listserv that all the lawyers are
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It's, you know, you have a small group of sort of America first minded lawyers and then
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And I said, listen, I'm not really that concerned with trying my case in front of a bunch of,
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uh, African-American in all Latino jurors who are well, uh, understood, well-equipped,
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well-acquainted with the fact that the, that the government in this country can be unfair,
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that the government in this country, that officers can show up to your community, throw
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And then when somebody else steps in and says, Hey, don't beat my cousin, they beat them too.
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When you come from these communities, what I'm concerned with is your, you know, a liberal
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import or implant from, uh, you know, California or Wisconsin or whatever it is.
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Those people who do not respect this constitution, those people who actually do not love our country,
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those people who are incapable of putting aside their own political ideologies in favor of
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And when you come from a, uh, whether, you know, whether you're a minority in this country
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or whether you're, you're, you're a non-minority who's, who's experienced a fair amount of
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When you come from a point where you've suffered in this world, no matter what, you don't want
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And so when you're in court and the facts are laid before you, you're not going to want to
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send somebody to jail simply because you disagree with their politics.
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Good people and people who have suffered don't do that.
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It's the other people, the people who don't know suffering, the people who don't love this
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country, the people who can't put away their politics, who are the true danger to justice
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Well, and, and, and as you put it, the community there, uh, is if you will, the, the check on
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the power of the judges themselves and the prosecutors themselves, as you express it and, and you're
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Yes, I'm, I'm comfortable with this, with the perspective of, of, of good people who, when
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you put, uh, uh, I say it again, especially minorities, you know, I'd rather chart, I'd
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rather try a case about involving police brutality in front of an African-American jury any day
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than I would a bunch of liberal white liberals from California.
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Um, because one group has experience with this and the other group doesn't.
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Yeah, well, that makes all the sense in the world.
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Oh, uh, I, I think the number's going up a little bit.
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I know there was another, there was another, uh, uh, it was another series of raids and
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arrests this, this past a few days that this happened.
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I got a bunch of calls and people saying the FBI is kicking in my front door.
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And I think actually the last time I spoke to you was the same thing.
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So there's still, there's still arresting people.
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I want to say there is approximately 80, 80, 85 people who are in right now.
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Um, it sounds like most, uh, most of them have been there from the, from early days in
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I mean, Ryan Nichols has been there since, uh, January the 18th and Christopher Quagglin
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Apparently there are waves of these raids that take place across the country.
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I know that, uh, Chris Quagglin, uh, has got, uh, medical issues.
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Tell us about his case and, and what you're doing for him.
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So Christopher Quagglin, um, has, he's a guy from New Jersey, you're all American guy who
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will do anything for his neighbor, anything for his friend, no criminal record or prior
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history of violence before the 6th of January, he has, uh, he was diagnosed with celiac disease
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And for those who don't know what celiac disease is, it's, it's, I'm not, I'm no doctor.
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So I'm sure there's people out there listening who are far better to explain this than me,
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but he has an, uh, an allergy, a serious allergy to wheat and gluten.
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And in his case, if he ingest it, um, it gives him a host of different types of, uh,
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of, uh, manifestations of problems, whether it's bleeding through his rectum, throwing
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up, losing weight, uh, in, at some point your, your, your white blood cells or parts of your
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body begin to attack other parts of your body, especially in your digestive tract.
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Um, and it can, it can lead to you being emaciated, extremely weak.
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So, uh, the more it affects you, the more it makes you susceptible to other things.
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Uh, it shoots your level, your, your, your susceptibility to getting cancer and other
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Um, it's excruciatingly painful, um, for, for those who, who live with it, uh, unchecked.
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Normally people who have a celiac disease, they just live on a non-gluten on a gluten-free
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diet, no gluten, and they're okay for most of the time.
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Sometimes things can get cross contaminated and they get sick.
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In Christopher's case, the jails have been on, uh, on alert and he's, he's been marked
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as, as, as a celiac person since the moment he's shown up.
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Uh, but for whatever reason, they have not, uh, for what first started as negligence and
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then us complaining about it and say, Hey, you guys are being negligent here.
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And his care has progressed into outright torture.
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There's somebody who's a, a complainer and a whiner, but the guy's not a complainer and a
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whiner, he's somebody who's living in a perpetual state of pain.
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At this very moment, he's locked up in solitary confinement, Northern Neck regional jail in
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He's got eight stitches in the side of his face.
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Um, he hasn't been fed a non-celiac, uh, he hasn't been fed a celiac safe diet ever.
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However, he's got grave risk of dying and, or having serious complications from his condition.
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And because of that, uh, we filed a motion, uh, for habeas corpus, um, asking the court
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to produce his body, to take a look at him and to release him from pretrial detention because
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And we, we allege five claims and the first claim that we allege is deliberate indifference
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And if you can prove it deliberate indifference, meaning that the jail doesn't care about his
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And not only did it not care, they're making it worse that he shouldn't be able to get
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So that's one of the five claims that we're alleging.
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We have overwhelming evidence of guilt, um, inside the body of the motion.
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If anybody wants to see the motion, they can just go to my Twitter feed.
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I can share it with you guys as well, but I posted it there inside of the body of the
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motion are multiple exchanges between myself and Ted hall.
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Ted hall is the superintendent or the warden of that jail where he straight up tells me,
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um, we really, you know, your client's going to get what he's going to get.
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And I basically tell him at the end, I'm going to sue you.
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Uh, and by the way, shouldn't you be, uh, this is all under the federal bureau of prisons.
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So, uh, Merrick Garland is named in the suit and then Ted hall is named as well.
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Merrick Garland being the guy who's obviously in charge of the department of justice,
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And then Ted hall being his immediate custodian, the way it works with some of these other jails
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This is not like a pure bureau of prisons place where it's just federal guys.
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Uh, this is a hybrid place where there are state people and there are federal people being
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The problem with that is there should be a section of the jail where detainees exclusively
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are held because you're not allowed to subject detainees to the conditions that convicted
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And to, to, to add insult to injury, because we've been outspoken about Christopher's condition
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and about his mistreatment, they put him routinely in the most violent places inside of that prison.
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And because of that, that's why he's got eight stitches in the side of his face.
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Cause he was assaulted by a leader and an international gang who beat the daylights out of him.
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And then they put him in solitary confinement because of it.
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You're telling a, an important story and that we are deeply appreciative.
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I just have to say, uh, you know, I'm a, I'm a conservative, uh, I'm a Republican.
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I, and I am pro law and order pro police and law enforcement, but I'm also pro citizen.
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The constitution and the rights of every individual in this country.
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And I am outraged just to, to think about what is happening, uh, to, um, a citizen of
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this country who I just cannot understand why you don't sue the, the, the Dickens out of
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every one of those people and, and, uh, the Bureau of prisons, uh, I want the, isn't there
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So first we're starting with the, with the habeas relief, cause we're trying to get him
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And we don't want to complicate it with, uh, with a civil suit, a 1983 suit or, or a, uh,
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federal torts claim act suit against, against the, uh, the jail and, and, and the members
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But yes, the answer is yes, we can sue them civilly for damages.
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We certainly will, but our first, uh, overarching concern is to get him out of there.
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And, and that's why, you know, uh, we drilled down so hard on this, they're not allowed to
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punish people who are, who are pretrial detainees.
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You can only punish somebody who's been convicted of a crime.
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So you're only merely allowed to hold a pretrial detainee.
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It's prolonged solitary confinement that violates the fifth and eight amendments.
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Despite the fact that I've dropped his discovery off, I dropped his discovery off to him early
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He's never seen once for a minute, seen the evidence against, against him.
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I bring it to the respective, uh, uh, you know, jails.
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Not only that they have developed two new systems now called evidence.com.
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Um, and, and, uh, uh, the, the, the relativity, those are on the tablets.
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These tablets are routinely given to the pretrial detainees so they can go over, so they can
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So there are multiple avenues of approach to get him his discovery.
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They've never once done that either because they want to punish and intimidate him and
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And, uh, this is another reason why we're trying to get him out.
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Do you have the names of everyone involved in his mistreatment?
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So the way that it works is I don't want to give it all away here, but, uh, lots of people
00:29:08.900
will, will, will reach out to me or they'll send me an email, they'll send me a snail mail
00:29:17.100
You want me to think that he could just get on the phone and say, Hey, such and such guard
00:29:22.020
did this to me and such and such guard did that to me.
00:29:24.460
And every time he does that, they throw him back in the hole because you know why they're
00:29:28.940
listening to his attorney client privilege calls.
00:29:32.680
I mean, it's just, I mean, my blood is boiling as you're saying this, and I'm sure everyone
00:29:36.840
else's is as well to think that this is going on.
00:29:46.760
You would think that anyone listening to us who was a federal authority, a U S attorney,
00:29:52.300
uh, a judge would demand that this be investigated immediately, uh, not wait for legal service
00:30:02.200
and process and, uh, complaints or filing a habeas corpus.
00:30:07.260
There should be someone with a decency to get involved and, and, and, and get this fixed.
00:30:14.240
Can you go to the governor of Virginia young and say, governor, I need help here for my client.
00:30:25.520
I just can't believe that there aren't enough decent people in Virginia, uh, in office and
00:30:32.400
who have authority and power there who would intervene on behalf of your client.
00:30:43.320
I think a big part of it is that, um, people don't believe what I'm saying.
00:30:50.920
They think it's a hyperbolic, um, that I'm exaggerating that I'm just, you know, I'm,
00:30:57.400
I'm doing a good job for my clients by making something that seems, you know, from turning
00:31:02.440
a molehill into a mountain, so to speak, people have a hard time accepting the fact that, um,
00:31:09.060
what is happening is indeed happening in our jails.
00:31:13.140
It's, it's something that is, that has been happening for a long time.
00:31:17.060
I mean, to be fair, the, the black and Latino community has been saying for a very long time
00:31:22.020
in this country, Hey, you know, without getting a fair shake in jail, it's pretty messed up
00:31:26.020
And I think most people just didn't believe, but now that people's eyes are beginning to
00:31:31.600
be opened, um, they're not only realizing that this is happening now, they're also realizing
00:31:38.480
And in that vein, um, I have been working with members in Congress, in particular, Louie
00:31:43.480
Gohmert's office, who what a stand of a guy he is.
00:31:46.520
He's just, just an, Louie Gohmert is a great American.
00:31:50.580
And what we are working on is a bill to ban the use of solitary confinement at the national
00:31:57.040
level for us to say that, look, the international community already prolonged solitary confinement
00:32:03.600
is recognized as torture by the international community at solitary confinement for more
00:32:11.180
Um, it also, uh, the Halt Act in New York state bans prolonged solitary confinement and both
00:32:18.560
international law and the Halt Act say, if you got them, if you have a serious medical
00:32:22.720
condition, if you have a serious psychiatric condition, if you're pregnant, if you're over
00:32:27.080
55, if you're under 21 and a couple of other reasons, you should not be in solitary for over
00:32:32.060
for, for, for, for any period of time, not even a day.
00:32:34.780
So we are trying, uh, to proffer legislation at the federal level to ban solitary confinement
00:32:47.800
It's going to help more of the black and Latino community who are, um, overpopulated in solitary
00:32:56.000
So it is our hope that people from across the aisle will want to work on this bipartisan
00:33:02.540
issue as going to help members of their constituency, as well as members of Mr. Gohmertz, so on and
00:33:09.520
And we seem to be gaining some, some traction, um, already, and it'll be interesting to see
00:33:14.700
if out of this great evil, um, something good can ultimately come from it.
00:33:22.400
Uh, Christopher Quaglin is in Northern Neck regional jail.
00:33:28.600
And Ryan Nichols is in, uh, DC jail, uh, CTF section of a DC jail.
00:33:39.280
Ryan's actually in solitary confinement at this very moment.
00:33:42.180
Uh, I believe that, uh, Ryan is being retaliated against because of me, unfortunately.
00:33:49.520
Um, I, uh, had the opportunity to actually speak with him earlier today.
00:33:54.120
Ryan is a, uh, decorated military veteran, uh, honorably discharged from the Marine Corps,
00:34:01.320
uh, was famous for making Ellen DeGeneres' show for his non-profit Rescue the Universe, where
00:34:08.940
he rescues, uh, you know, people who are stranded from natural disasters and animals as well.
00:34:20.240
He's been, his PTSD has been treated for, for many years now, I think since maybe 2012 or 14.
00:34:27.160
And the fact that they're putting him in solitary confinement for no reason whatsoever, um, is not
00:34:33.960
only shocking, it's torture because if you have a preexisting medical condition, such as PTSD,
00:34:39.900
you should never be put in solitary confinement.
00:34:42.640
The suicide rate for veterans with PTSD is already very high.
00:34:46.600
You're asking this guy to kill himself when you put him in solitary confinement for weeks
00:34:53.940
Hull say when you brought these concerns to him?
00:35:02.600
Um, I have had, uh, it's, it's, you gotta just, it's right there laid out in the motion.
00:35:10.100
I've literally had conversations with him and says, Hey, I'm telling you, you, you repeatedly
00:35:26.480
Inmate Quaglin is going to get what's coming to him.
00:35:28.860
I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but he actually says inmate Quaglin and he's saying that we
00:35:33.760
are punishing him in accordance with how we punish all inmates.
00:35:36.960
And he, he, he either is refusing or is purposely making fun of me.
00:35:42.060
But what he is saying in that letter is I am refusing as the warden of this, of this
00:35:46.280
jail to recognize the nuance, to recognize the distinction between the pretrial detainee
00:35:52.780
I'm going to treat him as if he is convicted and I'm going to do it because you can't do
00:35:59.400
We just did something about it and his emails and his writings and all the things that he
00:36:03.820
has said, um, are going to be, he's going to have to be held accountable for that in
00:36:08.580
So it's going to be very interesting to see what, uh, the judge has to say about, about
00:36:14.000
Have you talked to the Marine Corps association about, uh, doing something, uh, for, uh, not
00:36:20.520
just the Marine Corps, because he is a former Marine, uh, the Marine association, any of
00:36:26.760
the veterans groups, American Legion, whatever to bring to bear the treatment of these veterans.
00:36:32.660
I mean, we watched, we watched president Trump clean up the VA, uh, and do his level best.
00:36:40.340
And he got a lot done, but we know there are still great problems.
00:36:43.440
And to abandon our veterans, whatever he did, he still is entitled to his, I'm saying this
00:36:50.840
to you, of course, Joe, you're fighting for his rights every day, but I can't imagine that
00:36:56.440
there aren't organizations and associations who will say to the Bureau of Prisons and to
00:37:00.760
the justice department, what are you doing to American citizens?
00:37:08.720
And I mean, I'm saying this, I don't know whether he's guilty or innocent.
00:37:13.660
I don't know what will be found, but I do know he's an American citizen.
00:37:22.060
He has to be treated with respect with his rights.
00:37:24.920
You know, nobody has to, uh, you know, genuflect already.
00:37:29.880
But the fact is you're talking about basic decency here, let alone fundamental American rights.
00:37:42.080
And everything you're saying with regard to the veterans, uh, you know, uh, at ease is
00:37:48.820
Just, they did a recent publication or that they featured, uh, my work and some other January
00:37:54.340
six lawyers work about four, they gave us about four pages in the magazine, soldier of fortune
00:37:59.700
and, and, and, and, and, and a bunch of others have, have covered my work.
00:38:03.520
Um, I, I just think that there is a, uh, there's a sense of fear, um, in the community for anybody
00:38:11.200
who works for the government or is associated with the government, that if you step out and
00:38:15.940
speak out against this, that they're going to, that they're going to come for you too.
00:38:19.260
And, you know, we'll circle back to what you said in the beginning of the, of this talk
00:38:22.800
today, that there was a guy you spoke to another lawyer and his guy was out the FBI interviewed
00:38:29.920
And then all of a sudden he came and they sent him to trot because they will come for
00:38:34.920
So this is the kind of the scapo tactics that they're using to, to, to, to chill free speech
00:38:41.360
and to accomplish their, their very divisive goals of making sure that if you are a, uh,
00:38:47.700
right-leaning, uh, Republican, especially a Christian Republican, that they're going
00:38:54.420
Well, I, to be honest with you, I, I know that we've been, you know, my wife and I've
00:38:59.000
been, uh, you know, surveilled or wiretapped, whatever you want to call it.
00:39:03.980
We know that there, you know, that the federal government has been, uh, we, uh, I should be more
00:39:10.540
specific, the state department has asked for us to be monitored for crying out loud.
00:39:20.640
And if we've reached the point where we have to fear this government, we're going to have
00:39:36.940
The only person killed on January 6th was one of the protesters and, and she, you know,
00:39:44.920
it's one of the ugliest things I've ever witnessed that we all saw it is they say live and, and,
00:39:50.540
and living color on television, uh, watching this woman be shot dead and nothing happened.
00:40:02.400
Uh, and we've reached a point of such political corruption.
00:40:07.820
This, you could rationalize this, you can analyze it.
00:40:17.000
She was unarmed and the police officer is dismissed, uh, to the background.
00:40:23.440
They wouldn't even give his name for what, four or five months.
00:40:25.620
And they're doing this to people who are charged with being in the wrong place, effectively
00:40:34.240
Uh, I, I, I agree with everything you said, Lou.
00:40:38.420
And, you know, the fact that, um, when you, when you look at the declaration of independence
00:40:44.520
and you read it and you read the constitution and you think about why it was written and who
00:40:51.500
it was written by, you know, by men, uh, who lived during times like these, who wrote it
00:40:59.180
And when you think about the fact that the mere attempt to actually meaningfully exercise
00:41:04.500
these rights in the world that we live in today can get you canceled, spied on, throwed
00:41:13.280
It really, really makes you ask the question of, you know, whose country are we living in
00:41:21.760
And, and I just don't, I just don't know anymore.
00:41:25.100
The America that I was born into the America that you were born into, uh, I don't want to
00:41:31.800
say she doesn't exist anymore, but it almost feels like that she's in solitary confinement.
00:41:36.060
And unless something happens in our political leadership and unless something else happens
00:41:44.660
in our faith-based communities, I am terribly worried, um, what, what, what the next few years
00:41:55.160
And I'm just not sure if, if we can survive this when we're talking about people like you
00:42:01.880
and your wife being surveilled, when we're talking about men with no criminal records
00:42:06.420
being held and tortured in jail, but simply for their politics and their political beliefs,
00:42:11.040
when you're talking about the absolute and outright selling out of our country to, to
00:42:16.160
communist China and the provoking of wars in other parts of the world that we have no
00:42:20.540
business being in, you really have to say what the hell is happening.
00:42:24.160
And it's, you know, all these things have happened before, but they've never happened
00:42:27.520
all at once and it's all happening at once right now.
00:42:30.920
And, you know, I do believe in my heart that America was created by God that like, you know,
00:42:36.000
Israel and, and, you know, it was set apart by God as a special, as a special place.
00:42:40.500
And I just don't, I just, in my heart, I don't believe that, that, that God will for, for,
00:42:46.140
will forsake us, but I'm damn worried about it.
00:42:51.280
I think that I think most of us, Joe, I think most of us are in the same place.
00:42:57.140
Uh, with the same, uh, uh, frankly, heart wrenching, uh, fears for our country and for
00:43:04.220
our, our, our fellow citizens, because what we're witnessing on the part of, uh, and this
00:43:10.460
does not partisanship, it's just straightforward fact.
00:43:13.660
What we're witnessing on the part of the democratic party is anathema to everything this country
00:43:21.160
Uh, and these, this should be a bipartisan issue, but there's no such thing as bipartisan
00:43:28.220
because the left is behind this evil that is taking place right now.
00:43:33.480
They are demanding, uh, that it be tree, uh, that it, that something you're talking about, um,
00:43:41.400
They're talking about calling all of this an insurrection, not a single gun, as far as
00:43:47.000
I know, has been found on, uh, anyone that, uh, with the purpose of, uh, you know, taking
00:43:53.240
charge of the, uh, the Capitol or change of government as a result of their protests.
00:44:02.300
And the national media is, uh, is no recourse for you or for your clients because they're
00:44:09.360
all, they're crooked and corrupt, uh, and, and fully, uh, aligned with the Marxist left.
00:44:21.520
They, they, that the, the media is, uh, very much aligned with them in very much unaligned
00:44:29.820
with our constitution and they, um, it's just, it's just not right.
00:44:36.200
There needs to be different journalistic standards.
00:44:38.120
There needs to, people talk about misinformation.
00:44:40.480
The people who are, who are indoctrinating everybody with, with misinformation are the ones
00:44:47.940
And they're trying to suppress and steal our God-given right to, to, to, to freely express
00:44:56.580
Um, and, uh, you know, everything needs to find its way right side up and Lou, I, I don't
00:45:05.580
The trials that are taking place of these, of those charge, those trials, uh, began, uh,
00:45:13.600
where do we stand on those trials and what are your thoughts about how they've been prosecuted
00:45:21.000
I mean, the trials are, uh, are, are just really still in their beginning stages.
00:45:26.640
Um, most of the trials have, uh, ended in, in guilty verdicts, which is, uh, unfortunate.
00:45:33.480
I do think some of the more difficult ones, uh, are still yet to come.
00:45:38.260
I also think that those who go first in these cases, they're kind of, uh, test tube babies,
00:45:44.820
I don't know if that's the right, right term, but they're, they're, they're the test cases,
00:45:51.860
I think that, um, as we get closer to the midterms that the politics, uh, might will,
00:46:01.820
Um, I know at least for those who are running in conservative districts or Republican districts
00:46:07.620
or, or districts that are swing, swing districts that, uh, January 6th and election integrity
00:46:15.600
So I think because of the fact that, that constituents and people are fed up with, with that way these
00:46:21.880
people are being treated and it's going to have an effect on the judicial system.
00:46:26.740
Cause unfortunately that's just the way the judicial system works at this point, public pressure,
00:46:31.060
even though it shouldn't make a difference, does make a difference.
00:46:33.880
I know in our cases that we're going to fight, uh, like we've never fought before that, uh,
00:46:39.000
you know, some, some of our facts were letting out into the universe.
00:46:42.700
Other things we're playing a little bit tighter to the best with trying to be as strategic as
00:46:47.200
possible to make sure that each one of our clients get their fair day in court.
00:46:53.080
Um, in terms of misdemeanor cases versus felonies, look, uh, my guys who have been in jail
00:47:00.060
have already done the time on the misdemeanors.
00:47:03.800
So I have no problem going into a courtroom and conceding misdemeanors to give the jury
00:47:09.100
something to hang its hat on just so we, just for the sheer fact that we can beat these
00:47:16.060
I won't be able to say in Ryan Nichols case that he didn't go into the Capitol.
00:47:20.080
He did go into the Capitol, but did he go into the Capitol and commit a felony?
00:47:24.860
So that would make his entrance into the Capitol a misdemeanor.
00:47:28.460
If you want to convict them on that, go right ahead.
00:47:30.720
We'll call it a day, but does he belong in jail for 20 years?
00:47:36.120
It's my hope that, uh, a jury of fair-minded and rational people will be able to see that
00:47:42.680
exactly for what it is and put cases like his to bed sooner than later.
00:47:56.200
Uh, I, I would say to chief justice Roberts, if, uh, you happen to be listening, what is
00:48:02.620
your court system doing and why aren't you making it what it should be something that
00:48:08.320
Americans can be proud of instead of shamed of?
00:48:19.280
Uh, you're doing the Lord's work, you know, that, and, uh, you're doing it, uh, with,
00:48:24.120
uh, an inner strength that, uh, not many of us have.
00:48:28.180
Uh, I know how much of a test this must be for you every day, as well as of course, your
00:48:33.420
clients, uh, who have suffered injustice for a very long time.
00:48:38.880
Uh, I hope that you find them justice and freedom soon.
00:48:42.540
Uh, and I hope, uh, everyone who's been arrested in this, the protesters,
00:48:47.000
the demonstrators, uh, who now stay in charge, uh, for being, uh, uh, at the Capitol and in
00:48:57.100
Uh, I, I just, it's just a sad, sad moment in American history.
00:49:02.980
And we need to end the sadness and make, make right the wrongs that have been committed in
00:49:11.080
this case, more wrongs by our government than by these charged defendants.
00:49:17.080
In my opinion, uh, Joe McBride, thank you so much.
00:49:20.820
Your website again, for those who want to help and, uh, learn more about, uh, the, the
00:49:28.100
tests that, uh, uh, these people are contending with.
00:49:48.080
This country, this country is in a terrible state and we have to write this ship, make
00:49:53.880
right the wrongs of our government because corruption is rampant in that federal government.
00:50:00.060
And it is make no mistake, ruinous and destructive of the spirit of our nation and our great people.
00:50:09.420
Tomorrow we'll continue our look at what is happening to the January six defendants, the
00:50:15.120
police who bear great responsibility for that day and the January six committee itself and
00:50:22.000
the radical Dems who persecute these fellow Americans, American greatness reporter, Julie
00:50:31.800
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00:50:51.020
I don't want to overstate anything, but I'm pretty sure you will absolutely sense at least