The Great America Show - December 22, 2022


JAMES GAGLIANO ASKS HOW IN GOOD CONSCIENCE COULD THE FBI GIVE TOP SECURITY CLEARANCES TO TWITTER EXECUTIVES？


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

150.64012

Word Count

7,260

Sentence Count

389

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

Former FBI agent James Gellano joins us to talk about his 25 years in the bureau and the corruption that s been rampant in the agency for years. He also talks about the ongoing investigation into the January 6th committee, and why the FBI should be shut down.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Merry Christmas, everybody. Happy holidays. Happy New Year.
00:00:06.280 Welcome to the Great America Show, and we're delighted you're with us.
00:00:09.760 A few positive developments to talk about with you today, not huge, not earth-shattering,
00:00:15.640 but worthy of note, starting with the number one rhino in the Senate, Mitch McConnell.
00:00:20.800 He pompously has declared that billions of dollars more in aid for Ukraine
00:00:25.720 is the number one priority for the Republicans.
00:00:30.000 Making sure the Defense Department can deal with the major threats coming from Russia and China,
00:00:39.240 providing assistance for the Ukrainians to defeat the Russians.
00:00:45.200 That's the number one priority for the United States right now, according to most Republicans.
00:00:52.420 That's sort of how we see the challenges confronting the country at the moment.
00:00:58.540 Number one, says Senator Foghorn, not getting inflation down,
00:01:04.560 high prices that are now painfully pressuring American household budgets.
00:01:09.300 McConnell also puts Ukraine ahead of our wide-open southern border,
00:01:13.540 despite the fact that the pro-drug cartel Biden regime has turned over both sides of that border to the cartels.
00:01:20.540 Cartels that have a free pass now across the border to bring in fentanyl that's already killed hundreds of thousands of Americans,
00:01:29.420 and with fentanyl, other deadly drugs as well.
00:01:33.060 Heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines, marijuana, and of course, to bring in as well illegal immigrants,
00:01:39.680 and continue sex trafficking unimpeded.
00:01:42.820 The crisis on our southern border is so horrendous that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas
00:01:50.860 has put a gag order on the Border Patrol and everyone else on the National Guard,
00:01:56.440 telling them not to release any numbers on apprehensions of illegal immigrants at the border,
00:02:03.160 which are at, of course, record levels.
00:02:05.500 And speaking of gag orders, all of those who make up the January 6th committee
00:02:10.900 and never proved a thing against President Trump
00:02:13.940 and have ignored the FBI's plants on Capitol Hill that day that they are so concerned about
00:02:20.060 and never explained why Pelosi and Schumer turned down President Trump's offer of National Guardsmen to keep order that day,
00:02:28.480 well, that committee is now trying to keep all their records,
00:02:31.340 all information about their conduct, sealed, and sealed for decades to come.
00:02:37.900 Which tells us, as if we didn't already know, who the bad guys really are.
00:02:43.240 And the Marxist Dems are truly bad, truly evil.
00:02:47.460 And the $1.7 trillion omnibus spending bill contains more than $200 million more
00:02:54.020 to raise the Department of Justice budget in order to prosecute January 6th political prisoners.
00:03:02.280 Another $200 million.
00:03:05.180 Outrageous.
00:03:06.500 And investigations into January 6th committee actions and the FBI-DOJ abuses of power
00:03:13.400 are expected to begin next month, right after the new Republican Congress is sworn in.
00:03:19.600 The pervasive corruption of the FBI will be the focus of much of the House Judiciary Committee's energy and time.
00:03:28.020 And already there are calls to simply shut down the FBI.
00:03:31.500 It is so corrupt, just simply build a new agency to take its place.
00:03:36.460 And I'm not sure that that isn't the right answer.
00:03:39.420 Our guest today spent 25 years in the FBI.
00:03:42.260 With us today, veteran FBI agent James Galeano, who is also CBS News Security and law enforcement analyst.
00:03:50.940 James, great to have you with us.
00:03:52.620 We already know as a result of the Twitter files and William Barr's book and other sources,
00:03:58.100 the Justice Department, the FBI has been riddled with corruption for years.
00:04:02.860 What do you think, how do you feel as we learn more about the level of corruption in the FBI?
00:04:08.860 Well, I got to tell you, Lou, you're right.
00:04:12.380 I spent 25 years, a full one half of my life when I retired at the age of 50.
00:04:19.540 And I love the organization.
00:04:22.020 I continue to love it.
00:04:23.140 I believe the core tenants of it, fidelity, bravery and integrity still resonate
00:04:29.480 and they still mean something to the vast majority of agents that work there.
00:04:33.620 Look, I served under four of the only eight FBI directors in the Bureau's history.
00:04:39.860 And the Bureau started as the Bureau of Investigation back in 1908.
00:04:43.960 And, Lou, I think for a long time now in the media, you know, I've been out for six years.
00:04:48.880 I've been holding on to Hanlon's razor.
00:04:51.820 And, you know, Hanlon's razor is that that that famous aphorism that says never attribute to malice
00:04:58.080 that which can adequately be explained by stupidity or incompetence.
00:05:02.800 And I held on to that throughout all the insanity of, you know, mid-year review and the Russian collusion case
00:05:12.780 and those investigations and the IG investigations and reports.
00:05:16.760 But I'll tell you, Lou, I mean, corruption is a strong word.
00:05:20.740 But I struggle now not to sense there to be the pervasion of partisanship in an agency that needs to remain
00:05:31.060 nonpolitical, apolitical, nonpartisan.
00:05:35.740 Yeah.
00:05:36.060 I think that they are, as you say, deeply partisan.
00:05:40.180 It's a deeply corrupted agency.
00:05:42.860 And I think the difficult thing for most of us is to say they are so corrupt that there is no longer a basic core to the FBI
00:05:57.480 that is both decent and honorable and faithful to their constitutional oaths of office.
00:06:05.100 We are looking at what has been an assault on a president.
00:06:11.220 For now, it's in the seventh year.
00:06:13.520 We're looking at two impeachments, two special counsels now.
00:06:18.900 We've had more than three years of investigations of this president.
00:06:22.900 And, frankly, the only wrongdoing that's been uncovered is the straight-out lies of four successive directors of the FBI
00:06:33.320 and a large number of FBI agents and Department of Justice officials who are clearly politically corrupt.
00:06:47.280 But the American people right now, I truly believe, are in something of a state of shock at what we are now coming to terms with.
00:06:57.560 Yeah, I think some of it – look, we're all fallible, flawed human beings.
00:07:02.360 I'm not breaking new ground there.
00:07:04.460 And we're all – you know, we all have our own implicit biases.
00:07:08.140 But one of the things that I felt that allowed me to pride myself on being a part of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was,
00:07:16.380 Lou, the 25 years that I was in that organization, and I left on December 31st of 2015,
00:07:24.820 was the fact that I never knew what my colleagues' political, ideological bents were.
00:07:31.040 We didn't talk about it.
00:07:32.580 We talked sports.
00:07:34.020 We talked home life.
00:07:35.880 You know, we broke stones.
00:07:37.960 We laughed.
00:07:38.580 We did what cops do.
00:07:39.780 We never, ever, ever discuss matters of a political stripe.
00:07:45.280 And I just believe that as the Bureau is changing demographically – and I'm not speaking about race, creed, color, ethnicity, sexual orientation –
00:07:55.820 but as it changes ideologically, where for the longest period of time, Lou, the Bureau was a staunchly conservative outfit.
00:08:03.820 That didn't mean that people just voted Republican who were FBI agents, but it was a conservative outfit.
00:08:11.200 It's not anymore.
00:08:12.840 And I think a lot of the ideological changes has resulted in – and I'll use the A word – activism.
00:08:20.520 Just like we see on the Supreme Court, or we see on the federal bench, where you have liberal justices that decide not to read the Constitution the way it is written, but to interpret it to fit their worldview.
00:08:34.580 And, Lou, I think that's affected the FBI as well.
00:08:37.840 Yeah, that's – and that's deeply, deeply troubling.
00:08:43.260 I think you know that I'm one of those people who's always been an idealist when it comes to this country, to its government, particularly the FBI, our military, our intelligence agencies.
00:08:57.600 If you had told me even 10 years ago that we would be looking at a crisis of integrity in our federal government, particularly its intelligence agencies, its FBI, the Department of Justice, I would have said no way in the world.
00:09:16.420 You may find that out in the Department of Interior.
00:09:18.780 You may find it in the U.S. military even, but you're not going to find it in the core, the beating heart of truth, justice, and the American way, which is what the DOJ and FBI always represented to me, and I think for most Americans.
00:09:36.800 Whatever the conflict, whatever the conflict, you knew that you had a neutral, highly intelligent, dedicated, and capable force to rely on, no matter whether there is local police corruption, political corruption in the statehouse or in the federal government itself, we could count on the FBI.
00:09:59.020 The FBI is now – it is now the bad guys, and I can't get away from that reality.
00:10:06.140 I just simply cannot believe that we're at this point, and they're in the midst of a massive cover-up, it's clear, and they have extended that corruption into corporate America, into general counsel offices, into security divisions of corporate America, big tech, and social media.
00:10:30.920 It's stupefying to me.
00:10:32.820 Yeah, I think the only thing that – and I understand where you're going from.
00:10:39.340 We know each other a little bit, so I understand your heart, and I understand your frustration, Lou, and it is shared by a great swath of the American populace into how this could happen time and time again.
00:10:52.460 And we're finding instances where FBI agents aren't acting like we expect FBI agents to do, whether it's Andy McCabe lying four times, three times under oath while the deputy director, or, you know, Jim Comey doing the things that he did and some of the dubious decisions that he made.
00:11:11.700 And we look at what's going on with the Twitter files and what we're learning from those about the FBI's interaction with a social media or a tech company giant.
00:11:28.040 And look, I think, again, it's where people are letting their personal feelings, and they're not doing what they're sworn to do.
00:11:37.860 Okay, we all get it.
00:11:38.840 You're sworn to uphold the Constitution and to enforce federal law.
00:11:43.460 But you're supposed to follow the evidence, bereft of fear or favor.
00:11:50.460 And, Lou, I'll give you a quick example.
00:11:52.180 Those 51 NATSEC experts that dismissed right before this last presidential election in 2020, they dismissed the New York Post revelations about the Hunter Biden laptop as having the classic earmarks or tradecraft associated with Russian disinformation.
00:12:13.460 They never came out and said, this is Russian disinformation, because they knew they'd be sued for that.
00:12:20.200 So what they did was they kind of figazied it by saying it has the classic earmarks or the classic tradecraft.
00:12:28.740 What did that do?
00:12:30.400 That caused people to look at those 51 people.
00:12:33.940 And they were respected people.
00:12:36.280 They were the heads of, you know, national security agencies like the CIA and NSA.
00:12:40.900 There were people that had been in the trenches, people that knew what they were doing.
00:12:45.240 But like James Comey and that clatch, that little cabal around him in 2016, they were so fearful of democracy and what the public wanted, what the majority of the public wanted, that they had to put their fingers on the scale.
00:13:02.220 They think they think they're righteous because they're doing something to save the republic, Lou, and they're destroying it while they're attempting to save it.
00:13:10.700 Yeah, I think that if they were in such a state of utter delusion that they thought that they were doing, quote, unquote, the right thing, then I just don't know what to make of them.
00:13:25.900 Because there was no evidence whatsoever, and the FBI knew it.
00:13:31.900 The FBI had to purposely change two 302s in the summer, at the end of the summer of 2016, when President Trump was still a candidate.
00:13:42.720 They had to change that to set up his former, his soon-to-be National Security Advisor, General Michael Flynn.
00:13:51.640 The FBI had a group of people willing to sell their souls at every step of the way up that ladder all the way up to the sixth and seventh floors of the FBI building.
00:14:06.600 It is just awful to contemplate.
00:14:12.060 And now we know further that with Twitter, which you mentioned, the Twitter files, Jim Baker, the former general counsel, took the job of assistant general counsel at Twitter.
00:14:24.260 And he was absolutely selling the place out.
00:14:28.860 Now, not that that was in any contravention of their values or their ideology, because they were aligned.
00:14:34.380 They were left-wing, and they were totally, totally committed to attacking conservatives and President Donald J. Trump in doing so in violation of law, ethics, morality.
00:14:49.260 And they did so with their eyes wide open and with full intent.
00:14:53.520 I mean, the idea that there is James, Jim Baker, the assistant general counsel, saying thank you to the upper echelons of the FBI for wiping out the national news media, suppressing news from the American people, which effectively is lying to the American people.
00:15:19.160 It is the most sickening.
00:15:23.480 I mean, you get physically sick to think that they would do such a thing.
00:15:28.120 And they did without any question, without any lack of evidence.
00:15:33.720 There's just nothing but evidence of their corruption.
00:15:37.980 I don't know what, I don't even know what can be said at this point, because we're finding out that the intelligence agencies are bereft of leadership with integrity, with principle.
00:15:52.940 The FBI, the Department of Justice, it's a political operation.
00:15:56.740 Where do the American people turn now?
00:16:00.920 Because the Marxist Dems, that party, is under the control of those very same people who are the masters of this puppet president.
00:16:11.380 Joe Biden, who certainly isn't leading the country, is incapable of it.
00:16:15.460 He's impaired.
00:16:16.720 I mean, we are in a hell of a fix, James.
00:16:18.860 Yeah, I think the fight, I mean, if you, if you, there's two pieces of this.
00:16:23.340 And I want to get back to the FBI piece in a second, Lou.
00:16:25.920 But the piece that you're talking about, look, the Democrats control the media.
00:16:30.700 I worked for six, I'm sorry, I worked for four years at CNN as a salaried law enforcement analyst.
00:16:38.280 I work now for CBS and I do some stuff for Fox.
00:16:41.440 But I've seen that the vast majority of what we call the mainstream media, to me it's laughable,
00:16:47.240 because mainstream means on the left.
00:16:50.900 And it's just accepted.
00:16:53.240 We demand diversity in all things in this country except for thought.
00:16:59.040 Look at the White House press corps.
00:17:00.860 Ninety-five percent of the people asking the questions of the president and the press secretary at the podium,
00:17:07.120 ninety-five percent of them donate to Democrats.
00:17:10.140 Look at Twitter.
00:17:10.920 One of the things that we discovered during the Twitter file expose is the fact that the vast majority,
00:17:16.760 ninety-five percent isn't, you know, middling majority.
00:17:21.120 It's the vast majority of Twitter employees donated to Democrats.
00:17:26.180 Nothing wrong with that.
00:17:27.720 They have a right to do that in this great country we live in.
00:17:30.660 But why do we demand diversity in all things except for thought?
00:17:35.540 Now, I'll add one more caveat to that, which is this and what I believe led to the dysfunction that we see at the FBI.
00:17:43.300 Now, you call it corruption, you know, I use a more narrow definition where corruption involves a bribery or something like that.
00:17:50.960 But I understand your frustration where the FBI went sideways was back during the days of, and I have respect for Robert Mueller.
00:17:59.780 He's a decorated Vietnam vet, a Marine, and he served as the FBI director for 12 years.
00:18:06.140 But Robert Mueller was the first FBI director, and it has been continued after him with James Comey and now with Christopher Wray,
00:18:13.640 where they brought civilians into headquarters to staff senior position.
00:18:20.900 Let's go back to Jim Baker.
00:18:22.840 Jim Baker served as the FBI's general counsel from, I think, January of 2014 until the end of 2017.
00:18:31.660 Jim Baker.
00:18:32.220 He was never an agent.
00:18:35.740 Kevin Clinesmith, right?
00:18:37.760 Kevin Clinesmith was the DOJ attorney that the Durham investigation determined had lied and switched a word in an email that caused the FISA during crossfire hurricane,
00:18:50.660 the FISA warrant to be reenacted on Carter Page, which allowed that clown show to continue on in perpetuity.
00:18:59.720 Those are just two.
00:19:02.060 A number of the folks that we're discovering in the Twitter files were former FBI.
00:19:06.920 People say that.
00:19:08.340 There are a distinction between people that are hired in senior-level positions that have never been in 1811.
00:19:15.640 They've never arrested anybody.
00:19:17.420 They've never sworn that oath.
00:19:19.140 They've never carried a gun and a badge.
00:19:21.220 And I think, Lou, that's part of the problem.
00:19:23.360 There's been a dilution of talent, and we've allowed people in that do not uphold the FBI's values.
00:19:30.780 Yeah, it's right.
00:19:34.040 And I remember we were talking about SWAT teams of FBI agents going in to arrest people on a misdemeanor,
00:19:44.200 accused of lying to the FBI, or one thing or the other, whether it's Roger Stone with his wife in their nightclothes,
00:19:55.000 outside their home at 6 in the morning with a SWAT team bearing down on them, you know, armed to the teeth.
00:20:02.580 I think that's a good time for people to understand that you better not move.
00:20:08.300 That is one of the most intimidating sights you can see is a SWAT team outside your house.
00:20:15.360 I find it very difficult to understand why any man or woman who's taken an oath of office
00:20:23.220 that would allow themselves to be put in that situation by a direct order.
00:20:28.680 I can tell you with absolute certainty there is no way in the world I would ever, ever be a part of that.
00:20:39.580 I don't care what the consequences would be, and I would certainly like to spread those consequences around
00:20:45.460 if somebody were to try to intimidate me in it.
00:20:48.420 I just can't imagine what's going on because the people, the basic integrity of these people,
00:20:56.000 many of whom have to be coming out of the military, they know better,
00:21:00.600 and their DNA should be forcing them to tell superiors, go to hell,
00:21:06.940 when asked to violate their oaths as sworn law enforcement officers.
00:21:14.340 It just stuns me what we've seen.
00:21:16.660 We've now got about two dozen whistleblowers,
00:21:19.860 and for the first time, I'm hopeful that there is a small group of people within the FBI
00:21:26.140 with enough integrity to make a difference.
00:21:28.880 But otherwise, I think the FBI is doomed.
00:21:32.060 I really do.
00:21:33.300 Well, let me give you a little inside baseball for your listeners here.
00:21:36.640 So I served on an FBI SWAT team for many years,
00:21:40.700 the Brooklyn Queens team that was out of the FBI's New York City office.
00:21:44.380 I led that outfit for four years, from 2002 to 2006.
00:21:50.300 I was the senior team leader of the 45-man FBI SWAT team in New York City.
00:21:56.020 And then I also served for four years on the FBI's hostage rescue team as a counterterrorist operator.
00:22:01.940 I'll say this, Lou, when I want to give you some behind the scenes.
00:22:05.440 Sure.
00:22:05.680 Many of us in the Bureau who came in under a certain set of standards
00:22:11.340 were disappointed over the years when the standards were watered down.
00:22:16.680 And so when you allow people to come in who couldn't pass the fit test,
00:22:21.180 that couldn't run the two miles in what the prescribed time was,
00:22:24.340 or do the amount of push-ups, or pull-ups, or the shuttle run in a certain time,
00:22:29.180 or sit-ups, or what have you,
00:22:31.540 you allowed them to get away with not being able to perform the trigger pull test,
00:22:35.640 which was something that, dating back to the Hoover era days,
00:22:38.460 you had to be able to function a revolver and cycle the chamber so many times in a minute.
00:22:44.740 And because certain folks couldn't do that, they decided to do away with those tests.
00:22:50.060 Well, what happened is, for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction,
00:22:54.380 was some of the people that you got in the Bureau that weren't equipped to go out and do these high-risk arrests,
00:23:02.080 everything started to go to the tactical response teams.
00:23:05.540 Everything was a SWAT job. Instead of, hey, we're going after a guy that's got three bodies under his belt,
00:23:11.500 we need to send the SWAT team, it was, hey, this guy is accused of stealing pharmaceutical receipts,
00:23:16.920 let's go send the SWAT team.
00:23:18.940 Now, I will say this, to counter that just slightly,
00:23:22.780 some of the most dangerous people that I ever put my hands on
00:23:26.200 were some of the people that you would think you wouldn't have to worry about.
00:23:29.940 People like white-collar criminals, people like pedophiles.
00:23:33.260 And why is that? They have the most to lose.
00:23:36.260 Now, I'm not going to argue that sending SWAT teams out after misdemeanors
00:23:41.600 are sometimes these things staged to make a splash and to send a message,
00:23:47.980 whether it's misdemeanors related to the January 6th guys.
00:23:52.020 Yeah, that could happen, too.
00:23:53.980 But I think part of it, too, is where the Bureau's gotten to a point now
00:23:58.000 where any time they have to go out and put their hands on somebody and take them into custody,
00:24:01.760 they don't want to take any chances, and they said in the dadgum SWAT team.
00:24:06.680 Yeah, you know, I came up as a police and fire reporter 100 years ago.
00:24:12.260 I've watched deputy sheriffs sitting there in the middle of a citrus grove surrounded by people,
00:24:23.520 and all he's got is this six-shooter, and I'm talking about a six-shooter.
00:24:27.060 That's how long ago it was, and it's part of the part of the country.
00:24:30.200 It was in Yuma, Arizona.
00:24:31.900 And those deputies had to stand there in the dark often, all alone, waiting for backup.
00:24:36.920 But they confronted every kind of dangerous animal that you can imagine.
00:24:43.940 And police departments do it all across the country.
00:24:46.520 Police officers, not police SWAT teams,
00:24:50.480 although that's become sort of a fashion statement, I think, now as well.
00:24:56.320 And by the way, I'm not putting them down.
00:24:58.340 I have to tell you, I'm one of those guys who,
00:25:00.640 if I had to do what state patrol troopers do every day,
00:25:04.540 stop a car by myself out in the dark on the side of a highway,
00:25:09.660 I'm telling you, my first thing to do,
00:25:11.420 I'd fire a shot in the air just to make sure everybody was paying attention.
00:25:15.560 Because that is one of, to me, the scariest things I can imagine
00:25:19.180 any police officer doing or any law enforcement officer.
00:25:22.760 So, I mean, I've got great respect for them.
00:25:25.160 We've just reached a point here where there's too much politics
00:25:28.800 in law enforcement at the federal level,
00:25:31.620 and it's got to be rooted out.
00:25:34.540 We've, you know, I was listening to a number of people,
00:25:38.900 one of whom said,
00:25:39.760 we've got to just simply get rid of the FBI and start anew.
00:25:43.600 I'm not certain I could persuasively argue differently.
00:25:47.500 Your thoughts?
00:25:49.680 You know, that's a, I've heard that argument before.
00:25:53.280 And look, I think this argument about a restructure
00:25:58.400 comes about probably every decade.
00:26:00.700 The last time while I was still on the job that it happened, Lou,
00:26:03.780 was in the immediate aftermath of 9-11.
00:26:07.300 And there were people, and I have to admit to you,
00:26:10.420 that was the fulcrum of my career, the middle of my career.
00:26:14.440 But at that time, as a junior or mid-level FBI agent,
00:26:19.840 I heard persuasive arguments from senior agents
00:26:22.700 that the FBI should be broken into two.
00:26:25.700 It should not be kept as it is,
00:26:27.980 because it went from a predominantly an organization
00:26:31.580 that worked criminal violations to an intel agency.
00:26:36.300 And that's a difficult transition to make.
00:26:38.740 Look, in Britain, they've got MI5,
00:26:41.500 and that's the security service that handles everything domestically.
00:26:44.280 And then they've got MI6, which is essentially their CIA.
00:26:47.720 They handle all the foreign intelligence matters
00:26:50.600 that come, that impact Britain.
00:26:52.900 There have been arguments that the FBI should have been bifurcated.
00:26:56.660 It should have been divided into two.
00:26:58.980 Let the gumshoes, the old G-men that were out there
00:27:03.140 arresting the bank robbers and the gangbangers and the mafiosi,
00:27:07.000 let them continue to do that.
00:27:09.200 Have a wing of that that's obviously more robustly expanded
00:27:12.360 to deal with the counterterrorism aspect,
00:27:15.500 meaning the international terrorism and the domestic terrorism threats.
00:27:18.980 And then, Lou, separate and have a separate intel agency such as MI5.
00:27:26.140 I think when you cloud the matter by,
00:27:29.360 yes, criminal investigations and counterterrorist investigations
00:27:32.400 are also intelligence-driven,
00:27:35.240 but when you allow, again,
00:27:36.940 these people that come in with these abstractions
00:27:39.360 and these esoteric thinking,
00:27:41.280 and it's not what you need to do the job
00:27:44.240 that the FBI did for 100 years before for an entire century
00:27:48.460 and did it successfully.
00:27:50.540 I think you're right.
00:27:53.360 And I'm surprised for you to say that
00:27:56.540 because I think it's also important
00:27:58.920 because you're talking about the correlation
00:28:01.120 between MI5 and MI6 in the UK.
00:28:05.280 Frankly, those two agencies,
00:28:08.300 intelligence agencies, domestic
00:28:09.900 and then their foreign MI6 operation,
00:28:15.560 I mean, they have been, talk about riddled,
00:28:18.380 they've been riddled with scandal,
00:28:21.380 with all sorts of failures
00:28:25.460 to control their espionage
00:28:30.960 and surveillance activities, their spy activities.
00:28:34.420 They've had more double agents discovered.
00:28:40.020 To me, it's just, it's been horrific.
00:28:42.320 And I think the basic problem is that they have MI5.
00:28:46.100 I don't think we should have a domestic surveillance operation.
00:28:50.220 I don't care what anybody says.
00:28:52.200 It hasn't worked since 2001.
00:28:55.240 It's not going to work now
00:28:56.640 because it's just, it's created too much corruption
00:28:59.900 because you've said it, I think, absolutely correctly.
00:29:03.140 There is one thing to carry out espionage
00:29:06.320 and surveillance on a foreign enemy.
00:29:10.180 It is quite another to carry it out against American people.
00:29:13.860 And that's what this has all been about since 2016.
00:29:17.860 Surveilling and carrying out counterterrorism
00:29:21.100 against American citizens
00:29:22.380 and indeed a president of the United States.
00:29:25.080 This is madness.
00:29:26.360 And we've got to stop the madness.
00:29:28.140 I hear your point and it's well taken.
00:29:33.800 But I would just, I would argue that
00:29:35.700 don't get rid of the baby with the bathwater
00:29:41.040 in the sense that I think there are models
00:29:43.600 that are worth looking at.
00:29:45.320 And look, I mean, it's just like with politicians.
00:29:48.080 You know, sometimes, you know,
00:29:49.480 they espouse the right values and the right virtues,
00:29:51.880 but they don't live up to the same.
00:29:53.900 Or they argue that we need to do this.
00:29:56.380 We need to do that to save the planet.
00:29:57.920 And then they're hypocritical
00:29:58.920 and they don't follow their same advice.
00:30:00.620 So I hear what you're saying.
00:30:02.960 I just think that there needs to be a different model.
00:30:05.440 I think that the FBI to be an intelligence agency,
00:30:08.760 which is what it has become,
00:30:10.900 versus an agency that goes after and attacks criminals,
00:30:16.140 that goes after and does what it did
00:30:19.360 so successfully for a hundred years.
00:30:20.900 I think we need to re-look at that.
00:30:23.160 I don't think they work well together
00:30:25.000 in the same organization.
00:30:27.560 And I should have, to make this very clear
00:30:30.080 for the audience, some part of the audience
00:30:32.480 that doesn't watch one of those three FBI television shows,
00:30:37.120 there's a national security division within the FBI.
00:30:42.180 And then there is the domestic law enforcement apparatus
00:30:46.420 that we all think of when we think of the FBI.
00:30:49.300 It's created all sorts of conflicts.
00:30:51.980 We saw it play out in, frankly,
00:30:54.460 in two impeachment hearings as well.
00:30:58.140 The FBI's national security division
00:31:00.280 was right in the middle of that.
00:31:03.560 And now, by the way,
00:31:06.780 I just mentioned the FBI shows.
00:31:09.440 What do you make of this PR campaign
00:31:11.680 that the FBI's got underway?
00:31:13.340 Three, count them folks,
00:31:14.980 three FBI shows every week.
00:31:20.020 What do you think of that, James?
00:31:22.100 Well, look, I have to say, you know,
00:31:24.600 J. Edgar Hoover was 29 years old
00:31:27.020 when he took over the Bureau of Investigation in 1924.
00:31:31.320 He ran the agency for 48 years.
00:31:33.660 And yeah, he did some things
00:31:34.720 that are obviously beneath contempt,
00:31:36.320 but he did a wonderful job of building a great,
00:31:40.820 the premier law enforcement agency in the world.
00:31:43.760 He did a great job in doing that.
00:31:45.740 A big part of that was the way that he promoted it.
00:31:49.660 And that was part of it.
00:31:51.240 You know, it's availability heuristic.
00:31:53.320 It's the more you see something,
00:31:54.840 it excites people.
00:31:56.220 And the more you can, you know,
00:31:58.080 put positive press out there, it's a good thing.
00:32:00.580 The problem is,
00:32:01.660 no matter how many shows they put out there,
00:32:03.760 how many movies, how many productions,
00:32:05.680 how many puff pieces,
00:32:06.740 there's so much negative news,
00:32:08.820 legitimate negative news about the FBI,
00:32:11.700 it's hard to counter right now, Lou.
00:32:14.160 Yeah, right now I'd say that the news networks
00:32:17.340 are doing better than the shows
00:32:18.980 because it's a spellbounding tale,
00:32:22.820 the corruption that has been the FBI's legacy here
00:32:27.840 over the past certainly decade.
00:32:30.800 Let's turn, if we also may,
00:32:32.820 to the issue of Twitter having some 20 employees,
00:32:38.100 ex-FBI,
00:32:39.540 we now know that, you know,
00:32:42.260 that that's the case around the country.
00:32:44.560 These FBI agents are going into corporations,
00:32:48.000 they're being put in charge of security,
00:32:50.300 they're going into general counsel offices
00:32:52.480 in some cases.
00:32:54.200 They have extensive influence,
00:32:57.120 and this at the same time
00:32:58.640 that corporate America is going Marxist left
00:33:01.260 with ESG and CRT.
00:33:05.200 It's a deeply troubling time
00:33:07.280 because there is a pervasive
00:33:09.080 anti-American influence at work
00:33:13.080 in both corporate,
00:33:14.400 it was once corporate America,
00:33:15.920 now it's corporate global,
00:33:17.360 and also in academia.
00:33:20.560 It's a difficult time in history
00:33:23.940 for us to get our heads around all
00:33:26.220 that is, all that's nefarious
00:33:28.280 and going on in some cases
00:33:30.280 right under our noses.
00:33:32.220 Yeah, I hear your point there too.
00:33:34.900 And look, I want to stress again,
00:33:36.800 I've only seen some of the names
00:33:38.780 that have been revealed
00:33:39.700 of former FBI employees.
00:33:41.920 And Lou, I'm going to make that distinction.
00:33:44.100 The names that I read
00:33:45.600 that worked for Twitter
00:33:46.900 that were former FBI
00:33:48.140 were not former agents.
00:33:50.960 And that's the problem.
00:33:52.280 These are intel analysts,
00:33:53.700 and these are people
00:33:54.580 that are hired as civilians
00:33:55.760 to work in the FBI.
00:33:57.040 The second piece
00:33:58.680 that I'll give you
00:33:59.300 really quickly is this one.
00:34:01.080 When I read the exchange
00:34:02.760 between Yoel Roth,
00:34:04.180 the, you know,
00:34:04.960 standard safeguards,
00:34:06.640 trust security guy
00:34:07.940 from Twitter,
00:34:09.000 and the FBI,
00:34:10.660 I think he was an assistant
00:34:12.020 special agent in charge
00:34:13.340 at GS-15
00:34:14.280 that had reached out to him
00:34:15.960 from that new FBI program
00:34:18.400 that's, you know,
00:34:19.120 investigating foreign interference
00:34:21.000 in our elections.
00:34:22.580 The agent that sent the email
00:34:24.820 and did the exchange with Roth,
00:34:26.520 Elvis,
00:34:27.380 Elvis Chan,
00:34:29.360 had his pronouns
00:34:30.680 in his signature block.
00:34:32.560 And Lou,
00:34:33.120 I don't care what he identifies as.
00:34:35.640 I don't care who he loves.
00:34:37.040 I don't care about any of that.
00:34:38.620 It's not appropriate
00:34:40.520 in the signature block
00:34:42.360 for a mid-level manager
00:34:44.080 in the FBI
00:34:45.080 to put he,
00:34:46.840 him,
00:34:47.920 his.
00:34:48.420 Yeah,
00:34:49.860 I mean,
00:34:51.260 you're talking about
00:34:52.540 a bunch of folks.
00:34:53.740 I mean,
00:34:54.180 by the way,
00:34:54.640 that's an ideological statement
00:34:56.200 as well
00:34:57.980 that he's using.
00:34:59.600 He might as well
00:35:00.460 be leading with
00:35:01.180 how he voted
00:35:01.880 in the last election
00:35:02.980 and the candidate
00:35:04.720 of his choice
00:35:05.500 in the next.
00:35:06.840 It's that outrageous.
00:35:08.740 And then we learn
00:35:09.740 the FBI,
00:35:10.580 speaking of Elvis Chan.
00:35:11.820 I mean,
00:35:13.000 he's a go-between
00:35:14.240 between a contrived
00:35:16.260 little agency
00:35:17.000 as you referred to it there
00:35:18.660 as the,
00:35:21.240 what was it,
00:35:21.860 F-I-T-I.
00:35:24.100 And the FBI
00:35:25.340 paying Twitter
00:35:25.980 three and a half million dollars
00:35:27.400 to,
00:35:28.360 as the Daily Mail put it,
00:35:30.460 do its bidding,
00:35:31.460 taxpayer money,
00:35:32.680 suppressing
00:35:33.240 Hunter Biden
00:35:34.060 laptop stories
00:35:35.960 and,
00:35:37.100 you know,
00:35:38.640 filling in
00:35:39.280 to silence
00:35:40.020 free voices
00:35:41.600 in a corporate
00:35:43.180 news environment.
00:35:45.840 It's,
00:35:46.440 there's a,
00:35:47.320 there is such an anger
00:35:48.500 right now
00:35:48.960 on the part
00:35:49.320 of the American people.
00:35:50.500 I don't care
00:35:50.920 what the left-wing media says.
00:35:52.960 The American people
00:35:53.860 are not stupid
00:35:54.740 and they are outraged
00:35:56.780 and they are sick
00:35:57.860 to their stomach.
00:35:59.260 And what people
00:35:59.920 had better hope
00:36:00.620 is that the American people
00:36:02.240 do not,
00:36:04.480 do not
00:36:05.400 get taxed further
00:36:06.700 by this,
00:36:07.900 this administration
00:36:09.400 and all of these
00:36:10.780 left-wing Marxists
00:36:12.360 who make it up.
00:36:13.860 Yeah,
00:36:14.520 and also don't forget,
00:36:15.960 Lou,
00:36:16.120 one of the other things
00:36:16.960 that I think
00:36:17.500 shocked me to my core
00:36:19.820 was the fact
00:36:20.980 that the FBI
00:36:22.100 gave,
00:36:23.380 I'd never heard of this,
00:36:25.180 a temporary
00:36:26.220 top-secret
00:36:27.600 security clearance
00:36:28.640 to a number
00:36:29.780 of Twitter executives.
00:36:31.440 Now,
00:36:31.740 for your listeners,
00:36:32.880 there's only
00:36:33.360 four security clearances.
00:36:34.800 The lowest
00:36:35.720 is confidential,
00:36:36.960 then there's secret,
00:36:38.280 then there's top-secret,
00:36:39.980 and then the highest
00:36:41.000 of the high
00:36:41.520 is the sensitive
00:36:42.220 compartmented information
00:36:43.760 classification.
00:36:45.700 How,
00:36:46.680 in good conscience,
00:36:48.100 can they give
00:36:48.820 temporary,
00:36:50.240 top-secret
00:36:51.480 security clearances
00:36:52.600 to these
00:36:53.600 Twitter executives?
00:36:55.980 I just,
00:36:56.800 it boggles
00:36:57.920 the mind,
00:36:58.720 Lou.
00:36:59.620 Yeah,
00:36:59.940 and remember,
00:37:01.560 James Comey,
00:37:02.220 he gave one
00:37:02.820 to his
00:37:03.300 professor buddy,
00:37:05.540 and he actually
00:37:06.700 had a card
00:37:07.300 to get in the
00:37:08.060 FBI headquarters.
00:37:10.760 We know Jim Baker
00:37:11.780 kept his security clearance,
00:37:13.100 so they didn't really
00:37:13.940 need to worry
00:37:14.480 about too much.
00:37:15.820 And by the way,
00:37:16.480 now we learn,
00:37:17.240 you know,
00:37:17.540 that the
00:37:18.700 Perkins Coy
00:37:19.960 law firm,
00:37:23.600 the Democratic
00:37:24.800 Foundation
00:37:26.420 law firm,
00:37:28.560 they had a
00:37:30.160 portal
00:37:30.620 that reaches
00:37:31.920 into the
00:37:32.620 heart of the
00:37:33.540 FBI
00:37:34.140 system.
00:37:36.020 And now we
00:37:36.940 find out,
00:37:37.480 so did
00:37:37.800 big tech,
00:37:39.040 so did
00:37:39.500 big social
00:37:40.220 media,
00:37:41.420 these,
00:37:42.060 they were
00:37:42.700 wired up
00:37:43.520 together.
00:37:44.780 And I,
00:37:45.280 for as far as I
00:37:46.280 know,
00:37:46.540 they still are.
00:37:47.800 That is
00:37:48.680 absolutely
00:37:49.760 insane
00:37:50.860 that it's
00:37:52.740 happened in
00:37:53.280 this country,
00:37:54.060 and the
00:37:54.660 American people
00:37:55.360 still don't
00:37:55.880 get it.
00:37:56.560 They still
00:37:57.020 don't understand.
00:37:58.480 This is a
00:37:59.200 war by the
00:38:01.340 Marxist Dems,
00:38:02.260 who lead the
00:38:02.760 Democrat Party,
00:38:03.800 who manage this
00:38:05.040 puppet president,
00:38:06.400 and his
00:38:06.860 administration,
00:38:08.260 it's their
00:38:08.760 administration,
00:38:10.120 and you talk
00:38:10.620 about fundamental
00:38:11.300 transformation,
00:38:12.220 that is the
00:38:12.880 order of the
00:38:13.560 day,
00:38:14.180 and we are
00:38:15.000 watching helplessly
00:38:16.440 as our
00:38:17.540 government has
00:38:18.960 been subsumed
00:38:19.980 by these
00:38:21.580 Marxist
00:38:22.100 Dems,
00:38:22.720 the deep
00:38:23.120 state,
00:38:24.040 and they
00:38:24.600 are in
00:38:24.940 control of
00:38:26.160 U.S.
00:38:26.880 Gov right
00:38:27.580 now.
00:38:29.760 Yeah,
00:38:30.440 I tell you,
00:38:31.920 you bring up
00:38:32.900 some great
00:38:33.700 points right
00:38:34.340 now,
00:38:34.740 and Lou,
00:38:35.620 it's going to
00:38:36.140 be a matter
00:38:36.740 of fighting
00:38:37.940 the good
00:38:38.340 fight at
00:38:38.820 the ballot
00:38:39.280 box,
00:38:40.200 fighting the
00:38:40.820 good fight
00:38:41.520 as far as
00:38:42.300 pushing back
00:38:43.160 on the
00:38:43.720 narratives,
00:38:44.580 and then we
00:38:45.200 have to hope
00:38:45.800 that the good
00:38:46.440 people that do
00:38:47.320 join the FBI
00:38:48.220 or that are
00:38:48.920 still in the
00:38:50.180 FBI do
00:38:51.760 the right
00:38:52.220 thing.
00:38:52.740 I have
00:38:53.080 confidence,
00:38:53.680 I think you
00:38:54.100 have a little
00:38:54.500 less confidence
00:38:55.220 than I do,
00:38:56.140 but I have
00:38:56.820 confidence that
00:38:58.140 they will
00:38:58.620 continue to
00:38:59.460 do that.
00:39:00.080 The problem
00:39:00.600 is the top,
00:39:01.920 the problem
00:39:02.640 is,
00:39:02.980 as it always
00:39:03.740 is,
00:39:04.200 Lou,
00:39:04.660 it's the
00:39:05.120 culture that
00:39:06.040 emanates from
00:39:07.140 the top,
00:39:07.840 the penthouse
00:39:09.060 corner office
00:39:10.300 and the people
00:39:11.320 making the
00:39:11.860 decisions there,
00:39:12.880 and unfortunately
00:39:13.640 the FBI's
00:39:14.540 undergone a
00:39:15.460 number of
00:39:15.880 major changes
00:39:16.700 in its
00:39:17.060 promotion system,
00:39:18.080 you pointed
00:39:19.040 out,
00:39:19.660 you know,
00:39:20.040 the basically
00:39:20.840 the revolving
00:39:21.740 door of
00:39:22.280 people being
00:39:22.780 able to get
00:39:23.340 in and out
00:39:23.920 of FBI
00:39:24.420 headquarters and
00:39:25.400 have access.
00:39:26.800 Michael Sussman,
00:39:27.680 I think,
00:39:28.040 was one of the
00:39:28.540 attorneys that
00:39:29.140 you were
00:39:29.440 referring to
00:39:30.160 in regard to
00:39:30.940 having that
00:39:31.900 inside lane
00:39:34.260 to get to
00:39:34.940 James Baker,
00:39:36.160 and it's
00:39:36.840 wrong,
00:39:37.500 and that's
00:39:37.880 got to
00:39:38.220 stop.
00:39:38.980 I hope that
00:39:40.240 it does,
00:39:41.080 and I think
00:39:41.600 we're going to
00:39:42.020 learn a lot
00:39:42.520 more as more
00:39:43.440 of these
00:39:43.680 Twitter files
00:39:44.340 come out.
00:39:45.300 I think we're
00:39:45.700 going to learn
00:39:45.960 a lot more
00:39:46.460 about the
00:39:46.880 interactions
00:39:47.460 in 2020
00:39:48.620 between the
00:39:49.500 FBI and
00:39:50.620 this group
00:39:51.120 of 80
00:39:51.560 agents that
00:39:52.240 were working
00:39:52.740 with Elvis
00:39:53.260 Chan in
00:39:54.280 regards to
00:39:55.140 what they
00:39:55.920 asked big
00:39:56.600 tech to do,
00:39:57.600 what they
00:39:57.920 asked them
00:39:58.420 to censor,
00:39:59.700 what they
00:40:00.040 asked them
00:40:00.620 to mute,
00:40:01.580 and if you're
00:40:02.060 going to tell
00:40:02.540 me that some
00:40:03.680 tiny guy
00:40:04.880 living in
00:40:05.680 Paducah,
00:40:06.320 Kansas,
00:40:07.020 or Paducah,
00:40:07.680 Kentucky,
00:40:08.080 who's got
00:40:08.980 three followers
00:40:10.100 that makes a
00:40:10.960 joke about the
00:40:11.700 election,
00:40:12.200 and all of a
00:40:12.740 sudden the FBI
00:40:13.460 is sending
00:40:14.040 his name
00:40:14.900 and his
00:40:15.140 account to
00:40:16.060 Twitter to
00:40:16.760 have him
00:40:17.180 muted.
00:40:17.840 I'm going
00:40:18.380 to argue
00:40:18.760 to you,
00:40:19.300 Luth,
00:40:19.680 that we've
00:40:20.080 got better
00:40:20.780 things to
00:40:21.420 spend our
00:40:22.140 resources on
00:40:22.980 in fighting
00:40:23.400 crime in
00:40:23.940 this country.
00:40:25.300 Absolutely.
00:40:26.180 And let me
00:40:26.880 give you an
00:40:27.320 example,
00:40:27.880 and this may
00:40:28.280 sound at
00:40:28.700 least at
00:40:29.080 first like a
00:40:30.020 digression,
00:40:31.160 but we've
00:40:31.700 now got a
00:40:32.200 report that
00:40:32.860 60 FBI
00:40:34.100 agents are
00:40:35.680 now pursuing
00:40:37.980 a murderer,
00:40:39.560 a multiple,
00:40:41.520 well,
00:40:42.040 a murderer of
00:40:42.820 four people
00:40:43.580 in Moscow,
00:40:44.680 four students
00:40:46.040 up there.
00:40:48.220 It's been a
00:40:49.020 month.
00:40:50.000 They don't
00:40:50.460 have clue
00:40:51.000 one.
00:40:51.540 It has been
00:40:52.100 Keystone
00:40:52.720 Cops.
00:40:53.340 It's a
00:40:53.560 small community,
00:40:54.480 30,000,
00:40:55.360 Moscow,
00:40:56.260 Idaho,
00:40:57.100 the University
00:40:57.620 of Idaho
00:40:58.140 there.
00:40:59.840 And we
00:41:00.460 don't expect
00:41:01.020 small town,
00:41:02.420 small city
00:41:04.340 police forces
00:41:05.780 to be as
00:41:06.340 sophisticated or
00:41:07.220 effective.
00:41:08.040 But I mean,
00:41:08.540 they're trampling
00:41:09.140 through the
00:41:09.580 evidence.
00:41:10.180 I mean,
00:41:10.520 they're not
00:41:10.900 even watching
00:41:11.400 NCIS,
00:41:12.260 let alone
00:41:12.760 one of the
00:41:13.700 FBI shows
00:41:14.600 because any
00:41:15.560 idiot would
00:41:16.200 have known
00:41:16.540 better than
00:41:17.300 to do what
00:41:17.780 they've done.
00:41:20.000 And somehow
00:41:21.000 the FBI has
00:41:22.040 60 agents
00:41:23.120 that can devote
00:41:23.960 to that?
00:41:24.820 Since when
00:41:25.440 was murdered
00:41:26.020 a federal
00:41:27.400 crime?
00:41:28.120 What is going
00:41:29.100 on with the
00:41:29.780 FBI that it
00:41:30.500 has that kind
00:41:31.740 of excessive
00:41:32.360 manpower that
00:41:33.680 it can shove
00:41:34.300 60 agents
00:41:35.220 onto a case?
00:41:36.480 I mean,
00:41:36.800 that's crazy.
00:41:37.600 Well,
00:41:39.140 this is one
00:41:40.100 where I would
00:41:40.640 say that
00:41:41.200 you're absolutely
00:41:42.220 correct.
00:41:42.860 Murder is not
00:41:43.660 a violation
00:41:44.720 or a
00:41:46.140 typical criminal
00:41:48.720 violation that
00:41:49.960 the FBI
00:41:50.540 investigates
00:41:51.360 unless it's
00:41:52.120 part or
00:41:52.980 attached to
00:41:53.680 another federal
00:41:54.340 violation.
00:41:54.960 And there's
00:41:55.880 4,500 different
00:41:58.060 federal crimes.
00:41:58.940 And look,
00:41:59.300 I worked
00:41:59.960 homicide cases
00:42:00.820 when they were
00:42:01.240 attached to
00:42:01.760 violent street
00:42:02.360 gangs when we
00:42:02.980 were going
00:42:03.320 after organized
00:42:04.400 crime.
00:42:04.920 In this
00:42:05.800 instance,
00:42:06.420 Lou,
00:42:07.080 I believe
00:42:08.020 what I have
00:42:08.700 heard,
00:42:08.940 and again,
00:42:09.280 I have no
00:42:09.680 inside information
00:42:10.720 but just reading
00:42:11.540 the judicial
00:42:12.140 tea leaves
00:42:12.840 and in some
00:42:13.620 of my former
00:42:14.320 colleagues that
00:42:15.280 I've spoken
00:42:15.780 to,
00:42:16.520 a small
00:42:17.040 department like
00:42:17.940 the Moscow
00:42:18.940 Idaho Police
00:42:20.500 Department,
00:42:21.220 which is this
00:42:21.780 tiny little
00:42:22.460 enclave in
00:42:23.560 the northern
00:42:24.440 tip of Idaho,
00:42:26.220 they just
00:42:26.980 don't have
00:42:27.660 the resources.
00:42:28.700 They don't
00:42:28.940 have the crime
00:42:29.580 scene personnel.
00:42:30.760 They just
00:42:31.100 don't have
00:42:31.460 the resources.
00:42:32.180 I believe
00:42:32.600 that's why.
00:42:33.460 And the
00:42:33.700 reason why
00:42:34.180 the FBI
00:42:34.640 would be
00:42:35.020 called in
00:42:35.400 I think
00:42:35.740 because this
00:42:36.320 crime so
00:42:37.640 stunned the
00:42:38.580 senses where
00:42:39.300 you had a
00:42:40.320 guy, you
00:42:41.280 know, use
00:42:41.920 an edged
00:42:42.680 weapon, stab
00:42:43.940 to death
00:42:44.440 four young
00:42:45.240 students, four
00:42:46.120 young co-eds,
00:42:47.200 and basically
00:42:48.080 get away in
00:42:49.180 the middle of
00:42:49.620 the night and
00:42:50.200 nobody saw or
00:42:51.500 heard anything.
00:42:52.780 I think that
00:42:53.480 has the community
00:42:54.260 on edge and I
00:42:54.940 think that's
00:42:55.300 what's made it
00:42:55.780 a national
00:42:56.220 story.
00:42:56.700 If I can
00:42:56.940 just give
00:42:57.260 you my
00:42:57.540 color to
00:42:57.940 that story.
00:42:59.060 No, I
00:42:59.340 think you're
00:42:59.820 exactly right.
00:43:01.020 But my
00:43:01.500 point would be
00:43:02.300 we do have a
00:43:03.340 federal crime
00:43:03.920 that's being
00:43:04.280 committed.
00:43:04.640 And that is
00:43:06.320 crossing that
00:43:06.960 border illegally,
00:43:08.000 bringing in with
00:43:08.920 it sex trafficking,
00:43:10.360 bringing in with
00:43:11.300 it deadly drugs
00:43:12.320 like fentanyl,
00:43:13.120 killing over
00:43:13.680 100,000 Americans
00:43:15.220 a day.
00:43:16.020 And I don't hear a
00:43:17.180 damn word from
00:43:18.060 the FBI about
00:43:19.440 that border.
00:43:20.680 I don't hear a
00:43:21.520 word from this
00:43:22.100 administration about
00:43:23.380 shutting down the
00:43:25.020 Mexican drug cartels
00:43:26.340 that are controlling
00:43:27.060 both sides of that
00:43:28.220 border.
00:43:28.480 That's a big damn
00:43:30.180 federal crime.
00:43:31.600 And James, you and
00:43:32.320 I both know
00:43:33.060 somebody's running
00:43:34.440 from those cartels
00:43:35.620 and they live in
00:43:36.460 Washington and work
00:43:37.800 in Washington, D.C.
00:43:39.300 It's inexcusable.
00:43:41.320 And my heart goes
00:43:42.260 out to the families
00:43:43.160 of those four kids
00:43:44.160 and my heart goes
00:43:45.460 out to that
00:43:45.960 community.
00:43:46.800 But I have to
00:43:47.800 tell you, they've
00:43:49.160 got manpower when
00:43:50.880 we've got hundreds
00:43:52.080 of thousands of
00:43:53.160 people being killed
00:43:54.020 by the Chinese and
00:43:55.500 the Mexican drug
00:43:56.460 cartels in this
00:43:57.340 country and I
00:43:58.420 don't hear a peep
00:43:59.460 about it.
00:44:00.720 Come on.
00:44:02.180 Well, I'll tell
00:44:02.960 you what, Lou, I
00:44:03.520 can give you a
00:44:04.040 little insight.
00:44:04.920 Having spent two
00:44:06.100 years of my FBI
00:44:07.240 career south of
00:44:08.880 the border in
00:44:09.940 Mexico City as
00:44:11.300 the FBI's deputy
00:44:14.000 legal attache and
00:44:15.260 then I served for
00:44:16.000 a year as the
00:44:16.800 acting legal attache
00:44:18.280 and I'll tell you
00:44:19.620 you're spot on
00:44:21.300 in regards to the
00:44:23.500 concerns about the
00:44:24.500 border.
00:44:25.260 And yes, I wish
00:44:26.040 more resources were
00:44:27.420 being devoted down
00:44:28.340 there and that our
00:44:30.040 government, our
00:44:31.500 federal government
00:44:32.180 did more than just
00:44:33.240 pay lip service
00:44:34.080 here to actually
00:44:35.160 closing that border.
00:44:36.720 It is a travesty
00:44:38.260 what's going on.
00:44:39.640 And again, I'm not
00:44:40.840 worried about somebody
00:44:41.700 coming from Guatemala
00:44:42.720 and trying to get
00:44:43.740 across the border to
00:44:44.680 seek a better life
00:44:45.660 for their family.
00:44:46.760 The problem is, is
00:44:47.980 that the bad state
00:44:49.000 actors like Iran,
00:44:50.600 North Korea, Russia,
00:44:53.500 China, they also
00:44:55.040 know that our border
00:44:56.020 is so porous that
00:44:57.620 if you need to
00:44:58.200 come in, it's far
00:44:59.240 easier to walk
00:45:00.020 across the 2,000
00:45:01.120 mile border between
00:45:02.420 us and Mexico than
00:45:03.460 it is to get across
00:45:04.360 the 5,000 mile border
00:45:05.960 we share with
00:45:06.880 Canada.
00:45:07.480 So your point is
00:45:08.460 right, resources
00:45:09.660 should be redirected
00:45:11.000 and your point is
00:45:12.120 well taken.
00:45:13.340 And you know, at the
00:45:14.240 very least, the FBI
00:45:15.260 could maybe make it a
00:45:16.280 plot line on one of
00:45:17.680 those FBI shows that
00:45:19.080 they're running if
00:45:21.380 they haven't got the
00:45:22.200 guts to stand up
00:45:23.200 and go after the
00:45:23.940 cartels.
00:45:24.720 They had the guts to
00:45:25.720 go after the mafia
00:45:26.600 and that worked out
00:45:28.220 really, really well
00:45:30.700 for communities who
00:45:33.820 had much to fear
00:45:34.960 and in some cases
00:45:36.500 still do.
00:45:37.180 But the problem is
00:45:38.560 much, much more
00:45:39.680 manageable today than
00:45:40.720 it once was.
00:45:42.460 I just want to say
00:45:44.260 to you, thanks so
00:45:45.620 much, James, for
00:45:46.260 being with us.
00:45:47.060 I'm going to give
00:45:47.720 you the last word
00:45:48.540 here because we've
00:45:49.380 covered a lot of
00:45:50.720 territory.
00:45:51.240 We always give our
00:45:52.020 guests the last word.
00:45:54.020 I appreciate what you
00:45:54.820 said about the
00:45:55.560 cartels, but if we
00:45:57.440 don't get in control
00:45:58.720 of that border, we're
00:45:59.540 not in control of our
00:46:00.520 country.
00:46:01.180 And to me, it's that
00:46:02.020 simple.
00:46:03.180 I want to say just
00:46:04.720 again, thank you for
00:46:05.760 being with us and
00:46:06.600 illuminating these
00:46:08.420 issues for our
00:46:09.820 audience and for me.
00:46:11.160 Thank you.
00:46:12.180 Lou, I appreciate
00:46:12.920 you having me back.
00:46:14.120 And man, we covered
00:46:15.240 a whole host of
00:46:16.760 topics related to the
00:46:18.780 FBI, and I think we
00:46:19.780 really just scratched
00:46:20.780 the surface.
00:46:22.080 I trust that the
00:46:23.240 agency is doing some
00:46:24.380 soul-searching from
00:46:25.360 within.
00:46:26.100 I trust that when
00:46:26.840 Republicans get
00:46:27.700 control of the
00:46:28.380 Congress here come in
00:46:29.760 the new year, that
00:46:30.840 they do do a deep
00:46:31.900 dive into just how
00:46:33.700 the FBI is
00:46:34.420 functioning, especially
00:46:35.460 at headquarters, and
00:46:36.760 make sure that all the
00:46:37.840 national security
00:46:38.660 agencies, how they
00:46:39.880 interface, the lessons
00:46:41.000 that we learned, where
00:46:42.100 are the gaps, you
00:46:43.340 know, what are we
00:46:44.620 doing to protect the
00:46:45.480 next 911?
00:46:46.580 You know, the bad
00:46:47.120 guys, you know, they're
00:46:48.280 always probing and
00:46:49.200 trying to find the
00:46:50.140 spot where we're
00:46:50.920 least, we have our
00:46:52.500 defenses down and we're
00:46:53.740 least equipped to
00:46:54.860 defend.
00:46:55.760 So I trust that that's
00:46:57.240 going on.
00:46:57.780 I know there's some
00:46:58.260 great folks in the
00:46:59.100 FBI that are still
00:46:59.840 fighting the good
00:47:00.540 fight, but I do share
00:47:02.100 your concern right now,
00:47:03.340 Lou, that there's got
00:47:04.320 to be some pretty
00:47:05.120 major substantial
00:47:05.960 changes at the top,
00:47:07.360 or we're just going to
00:47:08.980 continue down this road
00:47:09.980 right now, and it's not
00:47:10.840 a pretty road.
00:47:12.280 No, and it has, it's a
00:47:14.000 descent.
00:47:14.880 It's not an ascent
00:47:16.140 that we're on, that
00:47:18.160 trajectory.
00:47:19.720 James, I appreciate you
00:47:21.260 being with us.
00:47:21.920 I hope you'll come back
00:47:22.780 soon.
00:47:24.240 This is going to be with
00:47:25.860 us for some time, and I
00:47:27.380 think it's good for
00:47:28.980 everyone to hear your
00:47:30.000 voice with your
00:47:31.560 experience and with your
00:47:32.700 perspective and
00:47:33.940 intelligence on all of
00:47:35.180 this.
00:47:36.000 We appreciate it, and I
00:47:37.820 wish you a Merry
00:47:38.500 Christmas.
00:47:39.540 Thanks for being with
00:47:40.240 us, and God bless you.
00:47:42.720 Merry Christmas to you
00:47:43.600 too, Lou.
00:47:43.980 Thanks for having me.
00:47:45.320 James Galeano, great
00:47:47.080 American.
00:47:48.160 Thanks, James, for being
00:47:49.120 with us, and thank you
00:47:50.080 everybody for joining us
00:47:51.560 today.
00:47:52.620 Tomorrow, our guest is
00:47:54.000 Senator Marsha
00:47:54.780 Blackburn, and please
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00:48:06.060 Thanks for being with us.
00:48:07.040 Join us tomorrow.
00:48:07.820 Till then, God bless you,
00:48:09.560 and may God bless America.