The Great America Show - January 06, 2022


JAN 6 SPECIAL： CITIZENS ABUSED & PERSECUTED


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47 minutes

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150.8156

Word Count

7,147

Sentence Count

490

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

5


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Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to this special edition of The Great America Show.
00:00:05.820 Today, January 6th, and while we could take up any number of aspects of what happened
00:00:12.260 one year ago on January 6th in the nation's capital, we choose to take up the stories
00:00:19.060 of the American citizens who've been held in prison in the nation's capital, some of
00:00:24.640 them not held on charges until very late, held there on charges related to their alleged
00:00:31.520 actions on January 6th, 2021.
00:00:37.000 600 people charged for their alleged conduct that day on Capitol Hill, and a year later,
00:00:43.820 40, as many perhaps as 50 Americans, remain in custody.
00:00:49.500 We'll be talking with one of the attorneys today representing some of those protesters
00:00:54.200 His name is Joe McBride, and in my opinion, he's to be applauded for his courage and his
00:01:00.740 professional commitment to the spirit of this great country and this great Constitution of
00:01:05.780 ours.
00:01:06.400 He's fighting for truth, justice, and the American way, representing people who I call political
00:01:13.900 prisoners, persecuted by the Marxist left, a political party that has been intent on carrying
00:01:20.780 out the politics of personal destruction that has been their hallmark for years now.
00:01:27.140 And now it's my pleasure to introduce you to Joe McBride.
00:01:31.980 Joe is, in my opinion, a great patriot, a great American, doing precisely what our founders
00:01:38.580 expected of attorneys, defending those in need, irrespective of the cause, irrespective of the
00:01:46.780 politics.
00:01:47.940 And Joe, I just got to tell you what a pleasure it is to have you on the show, defending your
00:01:53.720 clients who on January 6th, some of whom made mistakes, some of whom are innocent of the
00:01:59.820 charges.
00:02:01.020 But the effect has been the same.
00:02:03.320 They have been deeply and profoundly wounded by a government that in some cases, if not all,
00:02:13.020 simply raged against these defendants, some with charges that are rational and reasonable.
00:02:21.540 But most, I would say at this point, are absolutely shocking what we have seen and witnessed.
00:02:28.580 So welcome to the broadcast.
00:02:30.140 And we're eager to hear your story and that of your clients in a situation that this country
00:02:37.560 has seldom, if ever, faced.
00:02:40.560 Joe, welcome to the Great America Show.
00:02:43.760 Thank you so much, Lou.
00:02:45.340 It is good to be here from one patriot to another.
00:02:50.660 I thank you so much for being on the right side of history for such a long time, and it
00:02:55.860 is truly an honor to be here with you today.
00:02:58.200 Thank you very much, Joe.
00:03:00.100 That's very kind.
00:03:01.300 And I want to turn first to the news that you have filed a lawsuit on behalf of one of
00:03:08.200 your clients, Victoria White.
00:03:11.020 Tell us about that suit and what you are expecting.
00:03:15.760 So Victoria White is somebody who showed up to the Capitol on January 6th to peacefully
00:03:21.320 protest.
00:03:22.520 She was peaceful the entire time.
00:03:24.640 There is actually a point in time that's captured on video where there are some people who are
00:03:30.600 trying to break out a window out of the Capitol building itself.
00:03:35.060 And on two separate occasions, she tells them to stop, even jumping up there to pull one guy
00:03:39.900 down and saying, hey, listen, we don't do this.
00:03:42.720 That's what the other side does.
00:03:44.500 That's not what we do.
00:03:45.900 At some point, she went close to the entrance to the tunnel in the building, which is the
00:03:52.500 lower Western tunnel entrance to the Capitol.
00:03:56.020 She didn't know that it actually led into the building.
00:03:58.220 She thought that it went up to another level.
00:04:00.140 She had never been there before.
00:04:01.980 The crowd was pushing up against a wall because she's a woman.
00:04:05.660 She got pushed in very easily.
00:04:08.040 And after being in there for about a minute, you have the highest ranking officer in the
00:04:13.800 area.
00:04:14.360 He's in a crowd of about 40 officers.
00:04:17.280 They're all wearing black shirts.
00:04:19.240 He's a white shirt.
00:04:20.300 So he's clearly the highest ranking guy there.
00:04:22.700 He singles her out.
00:04:25.020 She's wearing a red MAGA hat.
00:04:26.580 He singles her out and he just starts to beat her.
00:04:29.680 He hits her unprovoked 35 times in the head with a metal collapsible asp.
00:04:37.020 And then at one point, he punches her in the face five times like a guy in a bar fight.
00:04:43.800 And then she was arrested and she was let go that day, but subsequently arrested, indicted
00:04:49.220 and is now facing criminal charges as well.
00:04:52.740 It's unconscionable what happened to her.
00:04:55.700 So we're defending her in her criminal case, which we believe that we will beat.
00:04:59.860 And we are suing on her behalf because of the atrocious brutality that took place that
00:05:07.200 day.
00:05:07.560 And we believe that we will be successful in both matters.
00:05:11.420 And there is a video, which is you were talking about the tunnel to see this woman up against
00:05:19.980 that crowd of black shirted police is stunning because it's a wave of a mass, if you will,
00:05:31.600 of humanity pushing against her.
00:05:33.920 She is caught right at the penumbra between black and white shirts.
00:05:40.380 It's stunning video.
00:05:43.440 Yes, it truly is.
00:05:45.160 And, you know, unfortunately, it's not just the leading officer there, the lieutenant with
00:05:51.440 the white shirt.
00:05:52.220 There are multiple other officers who are around him who at different times join in beating.
00:05:57.100 One officer pulls her hair several times, another one pushes her around, another one who's standing
00:06:03.240 on the ledge, maces her twice.
00:06:06.260 And then there's another officer who hits her 12 times over the head independently with his
00:06:10.860 own baton simply because he could.
00:06:13.040 She was trapped.
00:06:14.220 She had nowhere to go.
00:06:16.000 It looks like a goldfish in a fish tank with a bunch of piranhas feeding on her.
00:06:21.920 It's vicious.
00:06:22.780 It's evil.
00:06:23.760 It's un-American.
00:06:25.020 It should have never happened.
00:06:26.200 I can't, under any reasonable analysis, moral analysis, figure out why anybody would ever
00:06:32.500 want to do that to her.
00:06:33.760 But it happened.
00:06:34.680 And we're going to make sure that, you know, we get her taken care of.
00:06:39.000 And there's video of, what, nearly all of this?
00:06:43.580 Yes.
00:06:44.340 The entire beating is taken, is on video.
00:06:49.340 The video had previously been subject to a protective order, meaning that the government
00:06:54.760 did not want it to be released.
00:06:56.180 That video and other videos, we asked the court to have that video unmasked to the public
00:07:04.680 in one of my other cases, in Ryan Nichols' case, because it was relevant to his defense
00:07:08.420 as well.
00:07:09.320 They unmasked it, not paying attention to my allegations.
00:07:12.900 I guess, maybe thinking that I was overselling this or being dishonest.
00:07:17.120 I don't know.
00:07:17.660 But they unmasked it.
00:07:19.680 And guess what?
00:07:20.420 Now the whole world can see the level of animus that those police had towards some of those
00:07:26.860 protesters on that day.
00:07:28.740 It was vicious.
00:07:29.860 No two ways about it.
00:07:31.020 Well, it's inexcusable on any level.
00:07:35.720 And these were Capitol Hill, these were Capitol Police, correct?
00:07:39.140 So actually, in that situation, it was the Metropolitan Police Department of Columbia.
00:07:46.100 Yeah.
00:07:46.320 So you had Capitol Police and D.C. Police stationed at different places during different times.
00:07:53.540 And I think that's a good question, because Capitol Police are used to having sort of
00:07:59.160 visitors.
00:07:59.780 They kind of, you know, they're used to dealing with people coming to the Capitol all the time.
00:08:03.760 D.C. police are sort of more on the street and, you know, in more dangerous situations
00:08:08.580 all the time.
00:08:10.220 I'm wondering, and I suspect that, you know, the D.C. police had a different mindset that
00:08:15.560 day.
00:08:16.060 They certainly did in that instance.
00:08:18.540 And, you know, they weren't treated as visitors, as protesters.
00:08:21.240 I can tell you that much.
00:08:22.340 And the last thing I'll add about Victoria is she is also a survivor of domestic violence.
00:08:30.300 She was in a 10-year relationship where she was brutally abused.
00:08:35.400 I have the documentation, police reports, pictures of her where she was beaten bloody by her ex.
00:08:41.240 And, you know, there was years of healing, of medicine, of spiritual and physical healing
00:08:49.160 that took place between 2016 when she first started to heal up to 2020.
00:08:56.620 So into the holiday season of 2020, she was feeling good about her life.
00:09:00.860 You know, true healing sort of on the horizon.
00:09:03.380 She sees what happens at the election.
00:09:05.600 She says, look, I object.
00:09:06.900 I'm going to go down and I'm going to participate at the protests out of a civic duty.
00:09:10.800 Nothing could have prepared her for the beating that she took that day.
00:09:14.700 And that beating opened up a lot of, you know, psychological, emotional and physical wounds
00:09:19.500 that, you know, she'll never be the same again after that day.
00:09:22.920 That's a fact.
00:09:23.820 It's a tragedy.
00:09:26.240 And I have to tell you, it's good that somebody, in this case you, is at the forefront of trying
00:09:34.500 to bring justice and respect for this woman and her rights, who obviously, obviously was
00:09:43.080 a victim on that day when she was simply trying to exercise her First Amendment rights.
00:09:47.360 I want to talk about your other clients in this, because a lot of the protesters and demonstrators
00:09:56.060 that day who ended up being charged have said that, you know, they made it very clear it was
00:10:01.620 difficult to find an attorney to represent them because the attorneys are scared to death of the
00:10:06.380 repercussions from the establishment if they're representing populist MAGA supporters.
00:10:12.860 Tell me about your thinking on this and your judgment on the representation that these,
00:10:21.180 what, 600 people who were arrested that day are receiving.
00:10:25.880 Sure.
00:10:26.500 That's a great question.
00:10:28.400 It's a very important issue.
00:10:30.720 Most of my clients before the 6th and certainly after come to me after they've had representation
00:10:38.940 of one kind or another.
00:10:40.120 And they say, hey, look, this guy, this gal isn't really going bad for me.
00:10:43.980 And, you know, you look like somebody who will, you know, go all in for me, so to speak.
00:10:49.800 And, you know, that type of all in representation is very necessary in these cases.
00:10:56.820 There are a lot of people who did not, attorneys, who either, number one, as members of the private
00:11:04.360 bar, did not count the cost to their public reputation, family members disowning them,
00:11:12.420 cancellation online, so on and so forth.
00:11:15.760 All the things that are associated with, you know, with sticking up for somebody who's
00:11:21.420 really, who's a, who's a Trump supporter in this day and age.
00:11:24.460 There are also public defenders who were assigned these cases.
00:11:30.020 Unfortunately, the public defender bar is, is far out to the left.
00:11:35.360 I'm a, I'm a former public defender, so I want to demonize everybody.
00:11:39.360 But there are, there is a cohort of, of public defenders who are defending January Sixers
00:11:45.760 who cannot get past their politics.
00:11:49.780 They hate their clients because they are right-leaning Republicans, libertarians, independents,
00:11:57.520 America First people, populists, however you want to name it.
00:12:00.820 They love God.
00:12:01.520 They love country.
00:12:02.160 They love capitalism.
00:12:03.080 They love freedom.
00:12:03.920 And these people who are representing them do not like any of those things and have this
00:12:10.280 deep sense of, of, of, it feels like hatred toward their clients.
00:12:14.100 To put some things in context, I'll give you a few examples.
00:12:17.240 A lawyer shows up to an attorney client meeting in the jail wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt
00:12:22.340 or wearing an I invited for, for Joe shirt, or I love Kamala Harris shirt.
00:12:27.660 They try to say, hey, you shouldn't fight your case.
00:12:31.420 What you should do is accept this course on critical race theory.
00:12:35.640 And let me reprogram your mind and show this to the judge to say, hey, look, this person
00:12:41.320 renounces their form of political beliefs.
00:12:43.360 This person renounces Donald Trump.
00:12:45.700 This person has now been brainwashed to become one of us.
00:12:48.560 And because of that, you should be lenient on him or her.
00:12:52.640 Those are the kind of calls I get all the time.
00:12:55.140 Family members, husbands, sons, daughters, grandparents, clients themselves calling out
00:12:59.920 and saying, hey, this is not American.
00:13:01.980 This is wrong.
00:13:03.120 This feels like I'm living under Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia.
00:13:07.600 Can you please help me?
00:13:09.460 So I have built a team around myself and a network of attorneys who we're constantly referring
00:13:14.460 people out to.
00:13:15.440 We've vetted them.
00:13:16.840 I believe that, you know, they are, you know, America first attorneys, people who will put
00:13:21.700 their politics aside or people who generally share the same political views to represent
00:13:26.740 these people going forward.
00:13:28.180 It has been a hard and difficult process, but we're now finally making some traction and
00:13:33.760 getting people into the right places.
00:13:35.260 But there are still people out there who need adequate representation and do not have it.
00:13:39.980 600 people arrested.
00:13:42.980 I understand what something on that order of 40 people remain incarcerated in jail in
00:13:51.880 Washington, D.C.
00:13:52.940 Is that right?
00:13:54.420 So, yeah, I think the number right now is somewhere between 40 and 50 just in D.C.
00:13:59.540 But then you have a bunch of other facilities out throughout the country, northern Virginia,
00:14:05.220 places in Texas, here and there, where there are people being held as well.
00:14:08.800 So there's probably another 40 or 50 being held at various locations throughout the country.
00:14:14.180 I got, I don't know, 10, 20 calls just this morning from people saying that the FBI showed
00:14:20.080 up at their house yesterday and or today.
00:14:22.440 That number is certainly going to go up.
00:14:26.740 Just to just this morning?
00:14:29.620 Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:14:30.940 Gosh.
00:14:31.340 So there's still there's still an investigation and persecution of these people going on a
00:14:39.880 year out from January 6th.
00:14:42.620 Oh, without question.
00:14:43.620 I mean, Merrick Garland got up here yesterday and said, we'll leave no stone unturned.
00:14:48.040 And the secret police went out this morning and let people know that we are here and we
00:14:52.900 are hunting and we are watching.
00:14:54.320 And, you know, we will be charging you shortly.
00:14:59.040 It's a it's a scary time.
00:15:01.660 There are a lot of people, including myself, who think this has got to be some sort of ugly
00:15:07.900 joke.
00:15:08.560 The attorney general of the United States, Merrick Garland, this week saying he has, quote,
00:15:13.740 no higher priority.
00:15:15.420 This is a man in charge of national security and law enforcement in this country saying
00:15:21.580 that there is no higher priority than prosecuting January 6th rioters.
00:15:26.420 What in the world is is he thinking what in the world is going on?
00:15:32.920 Well, I mean, Lou, I'll tell you, this is the first time in American history, the absolute
00:15:37.800 first time in American history that the political party who is in power is actively hunting down
00:15:44.800 members of the opposition party for political dissidents.
00:15:48.960 We all saw what happened on past during the past two years, the Black Lives Matter protests,
00:15:55.640 the Antifa occupations of Portland and Seattle, so on and so forth, the burning of cities,
00:16:02.200 the looting of buildings, all in the name of social justice, all in the name of change.
00:16:06.540 And all those people were given a pass because their actions were supposedly grounded in the
00:16:10.980 First Amendment.
00:16:11.580 Yet peaceful protesters show up to the Capitol on the 6th.
00:16:16.940 They go for one protest at the Ellipse, which was President Trump's rally, and they walk over
00:16:21.620 to the Capitol and that protest was hijacked over there.
00:16:24.960 Things get out of control.
00:16:26.220 But you can't even compare it to some of those scenes that you saw in Minneapolis where they
00:16:29.820 burned down entire cities.
00:16:31.240 Yet all these people are being brought into this massive dragnet simply because they had the
00:16:36.560 courage to say, I object to Joe Biden being certified as the President of the United States.
00:16:42.540 And I will add, with regard to Merrick Garland, I'm sure you remember that the Capitol was bombed
00:16:48.920 previously, like in 1983.
00:16:51.920 And during that time, it was bombed by radical members of the M-19 feminist group, Marxist-trained
00:17:00.980 rebels that were trained in Cuba and that were trained in Venezuela.
00:17:04.840 Susan Rosenberg is one of them.
00:17:07.040 Elizabeth Ann Duke is the other one.
00:17:09.400 Let me give you just a real brief but very important history on why this matters now.
00:17:14.340 Elizabeth Ann Duke bombed the Capitol.
00:17:17.900 She was granted bail.
00:17:18.940 She wasn't held pretrial.
00:17:20.480 She jumped bail to never return again.
00:17:22.720 If you Google FBI's most-warned domestic terrorists right now, there you will find Elizabeth
00:17:28.760 Ann Duke's face right there on the list.
00:17:31.480 Despite this reality, during the administration of Barack Obama, Eric Holder dismissed her
00:17:38.940 indictment and quashed her arrest warrant.
00:17:41.680 He petitioned to have that done, and the court dismissed it.
00:17:45.460 The conservatives who were in Washington at the time said, hey, what the hell is going on?
00:17:49.840 We remember this person bombed the Capitol.
00:17:51.420 Well, she's on the lam.
00:17:52.840 Why are you cutting her loose?
00:17:54.360 Like, what is happening here?
00:17:55.440 We demand an investigation.
00:17:57.720 An investigation happened, and the chief judge quashed it and said, hey, rubber-stamped it,
00:18:02.680 said, hey, no problem here.
00:18:04.300 Sealed the proceedings.
00:18:05.620 Nobody ever got to find out why it happened or what was said in court, and that was the
00:18:09.480 end of it.
00:18:09.900 She got a pass.
00:18:11.280 That chief judge, none other than Merrick Garland.
00:18:14.760 So he gives a leftist, radical terrorist who bombed the Capitol in 1983 a pass, but if
00:18:23.060 you showed up there on January 6, 2021, you're looking at years and years in jail.
00:18:28.540 And with regard to Susan Rosenberg, she is also a co-conspirator.
00:18:33.520 She was caught.
00:18:34.580 She participated in the famous Brinks robbery in Westchester back in the 80s.
00:18:39.900 When she was caught after the Capitol bombing in 1983, she had like 500 or 600 pounds of explosives
00:18:45.780 on her, hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, automatic weapons.
00:18:50.000 She gets sentenced to 56 years of incarceration.
00:18:52.980 On his last day in office, President Bill Clinton commuted her sentence.
00:18:57.320 She goes on to leave and becomes the number one fundraiser for Black Lives Matter.
00:19:03.100 How does that happen?
00:19:05.260 Well, I'm afraid if one were to attempt to explain any part of that, it's stunning, particularly
00:19:13.420 when you think Merrick Garland is now the Attorney General of the United States and was
00:19:20.120 going to be a sitting justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:19:25.220 It is.
00:19:26.760 It's a remarkable and incredible story.
00:19:31.000 And against the subtext of the politics of personal destruction, which by 1992, with the
00:19:39.000 election of Bill Clinton, was in high and extreme levels within the Democratic Party.
00:19:46.980 And now here we are 30 years later, and Merrick Garland can't find anything to put on his priority
00:19:53.800 list other than those who were on Capitol Hill and had the misfortune to be in the wrong
00:20:01.060 place at the wrong time doing the wrong things.
00:20:04.760 It's tough.
00:20:06.320 It is very tough.
00:20:07.340 So let me ask you, you've got six clients, and give us your sense of what will happen,
00:20:17.560 what is the likelihood of prevailing in this atmosphere in which the entire nation's capital
00:20:25.040 is controlled by the left?
00:20:27.900 Right.
00:20:28.740 So I represent Richard Barnett.
00:20:32.620 He's the guy who famously had his feet up on the desk in Nancy Pelosi's office.
00:20:36.160 Right.
00:20:36.580 He was incarcerated.
00:20:37.760 He was beaten and kept in solitary confinement.
00:20:40.460 I was able to get him out.
00:20:41.800 Sixty years old at the time.
00:20:43.340 He's 61 now.
00:20:44.460 No prior contacts with the criminal justice system.
00:20:47.060 They wanted to hold him.
00:20:48.240 They won over a decade in jail for putting his feet up on the desk.
00:20:51.440 It's ridiculous.
00:20:52.280 I represent Ryan Nichols.
00:20:54.880 He's got no criminal record, specializes in search and rescue, goes out 75 days a year
00:21:00.920 rescuing people from tornadoes and floods and hurricanes, was even recognized by Ella
00:21:06.520 DeGeneres on her show for it.
00:21:08.760 They want more than a decade in his case.
00:21:12.160 Christopher Quaggan, shirt off your back, sort of salt of the earth, American citizen,
00:21:16.820 went down there that day, wasn't perfect, got in the shoving match, some other things
00:21:21.180 happened.
00:21:21.620 Otherwise, no prior contacts with the criminal justice system.
00:21:25.160 They want 15 years in his case.
00:21:28.240 Then you have Daniel Goodwin, no prior contacts with the criminal justice system, no record.
00:21:34.380 He walked into the Senate entrance door, the wing door in the Capitol, walked into an open
00:21:40.380 door with the officer right there, said, hey, my name is Daniel Goodwin to a famous guy
00:21:45.380 named Baked Alaska.
00:21:46.480 Please stop doxing me.
00:21:47.980 Have a nice day.
00:21:48.740 Walked out.
00:21:49.260 They want years on a felony conviction in his case.
00:21:53.180 It's a witch hunt.
00:21:54.480 It's wrong.
00:21:55.400 So with regard to prevailing, look, I have to have some hope in the juries.
00:22:01.020 I have to have some hope in people and in Providence that if we get up there and if we
00:22:06.680 do a good job, that justice will prevail.
00:22:09.660 Absent that, you know, the forecast is not great.
00:22:15.680 But when you look at these facts, if you look at these cases, each one of these people have
00:22:20.200 been overcharged.
00:22:21.140 No matter what they did that day, they all have been overcharged.
00:22:24.040 So I do feel very confident that with regard to the most serious charges, that we will be
00:22:30.320 able to beat those charges.
00:22:31.640 And most of these guys will go home having time served on misdemeanors in these cases,
00:22:37.160 if not beating all of the cases hands down.
00:22:40.400 Now, I do want to say this.
00:22:43.140 There is a lot of controversy that day.
00:22:44.980 There seems to be significant support for the people who have went there that day and
00:22:49.700 who were not violent.
00:22:51.260 Look, you went to the Capitol that day.
00:22:52.860 You weren't violent at all.
00:22:54.380 You're being charged.
00:22:55.500 People support those people.
00:22:56.700 A hundred percent.
00:22:57.400 They have support from anybody who's reasonably minded.
00:23:00.060 But I do want to say something about the people who have been charged with acts of
00:23:04.140 violence.
00:23:05.440 Now, we all saw what happened in the Kyle Rittenhouse case.
00:23:08.260 Kyle Rittenhouse was violent and he got off because his violence was justified.
00:23:14.140 He was attacked and the justification defense of self-defense enables him to use force that
00:23:20.320 is proportional to the threat that he was enduring.
00:23:23.600 Now, at the Capitol on January 6th, there's a lot of good guys who went there that day and
00:23:29.040 they saw senior citizens and women like Victoria White getting beaten, maced, pushed, kicked,
00:23:36.920 stomped.
00:23:37.320 Ashley Babbitt got assassinated by Capitol Police on TV.
00:23:41.680 Roseanne Boylan steps away from where Victoria White and Ryan Nichols was in the tunnel.
00:23:46.760 She got trampled and beaten to death by the police.
00:23:50.000 Lots of things happened that day.
00:23:51.480 So there are times where good men stepped in and they pushed a cop or they punched a cop
00:23:56.880 because the cops were literally killing people or they were beating people to the point where
00:24:01.260 it looked like they were going to die.
00:24:03.020 It's muddy.
00:24:04.160 It's not perfect.
00:24:05.200 But just because somebody was violent that day or has been charged with violence, it doesn't
00:24:10.540 mean that their violence was actually criminal.
00:24:13.040 And I think that's a very important nuance for people to need to appreciate in order to
00:24:18.980 understand the context of these cases fully.
00:24:21.400 I think that's a very important point.
00:24:23.520 And it's one that is seldom, seldom raised in the context of January 6th.
00:24:29.660 But there is also just simply our each of us, our personal reaction to this.
00:24:35.760 It's almost impossible to think this is the United States government, that this is the Capitol
00:24:42.720 Police, this is the Metropolitan Police behaving in this fashion.
00:24:49.100 Is there evidence in your judgment of a setup?
00:24:54.520 Was there, we know that the FBI had people there in various capacities, but was there an effort to incite these people who were, up until they entered the Capitol, peaceful protesters?
00:25:11.080 So, the FBI and its COINTELP program, COINTELP and a few other programs going way back, has a history of infiltrating political movements in this country.
00:25:25.420 They infiltrated the Black Panthers in the 60s.
00:25:28.320 They infiltrated the Ku Klux Klan.
00:25:30.300 Let's use the Panthers and the Klan as an example.
00:25:32.800 You know, you go, oh, my God, the Black Panthers and the Ku Klux Klan, like, who really cares if the FBI infiltrates them in violation of their constitutional rights?
00:25:42.140 It's better to get those guys off the street.
00:25:45.620 That was a mistake by the American public because the Black Panthers and the Ku Klux Klan, while very radical groups and problematic for a host of different reasons, because they are still American citizens, still entitled to the constitutional protections.
00:26:01.340 Now, if you expound that to today, there's a whole litany of illegal infiltrations of political movements from that time all the way up until today.
00:26:13.020 So, the question is, did the FBI infiltrate various groups that day and have foreknowledge of those events?
00:26:20.920 Unequivocally, yes.
00:26:22.420 Did the FBI show up that day and other government agencies show up that day with foreknowledge that things were going to happen on the ground that day?
00:26:29.580 Unequivocally, yes.
00:26:31.720 Was the Capitol prepared properly to defend against or to be able to host that amount of people?
00:26:40.560 Unequivocally, no.
00:26:42.560 As to the question, were there agent provocateurs on the ground?
00:26:47.180 Were there government sort of infiltrators in groups who were civilians, who the government's holding something over their head?
00:26:56.060 So, the government, you know, so they infiltrated or they agitated that day?
00:26:59.980 We are investigating that.
00:27:02.080 We have substantial evidence indicating that the answer is yes.
00:27:07.560 Look no further than the example of Ray Epps.
00:27:11.320 Ray Epps is seen on camera on January 5th saying, tomorrow, we're going to go into the Capitol.
00:27:18.700 People are literally calling him an agent the night before.
00:27:21.300 The day of the Capitol, he's funneling people down into different groups.
00:27:25.200 He's participating and taking down signs.
00:27:28.360 And he's assigning people to go take down barricades, infiltrate this, go in that direction.
00:27:33.620 He's directing people all over the place.
00:27:36.020 Ray is one of many people that we suspect are somehow connected to the government.
00:27:42.880 Now, as a lawyer, it's very important that I don't make misrepresentations of fact in court or on the air on your show.
00:27:53.340 But this is an investigation that is ongoing.
00:27:55.920 And we do have a good faith basis to say that we do, in fact, believe that there were agitators on the ground who are connected to the government in one way or another.
00:28:05.160 Does it, in your judgment, rise to the level of entrapment that is motivating, trying to motivate people to do something that, without the presence of that government agent provocateur or informant, whatever role they might have had, without their presence, without their exhortation, the citizens would not have done what they did.
00:28:31.780 Right. So that's a good question.
00:28:35.620 Let me use the example of a civil client who I represent.
00:28:39.360 I represent Ali Alexander.
00:28:42.020 He is somebody who participated in many Stop the Steal.
00:28:45.940 Stop the Steal. Inc. is his corporation.
00:28:51.060 He had approximately 50 or so Stop the Steal protests across the country during the 2020 election season.
00:29:00.180 Every one of them were peaceful.
00:29:03.540 The protests at the Ellipse on January 6th, that was a peaceful protest as well.
00:29:11.020 Somehow, the second protest or the multiple protests that was supposed to happen at the Capitol, those were not peaceful.
00:29:19.760 This is an Antifa or Black Lives Matter whose protests are always out of control and who are always violent.
00:29:26.160 This is the Stop the Steal coalition, the America First coalition, the Save America coalition, and their protests are always peaceful.
00:29:35.500 So right off the bat, you have a question about what happened, what went wrong.
00:29:39.300 Something changed here.
00:29:40.580 And then when you have people who are removing signage, who are removing barricades, so as to push people all the way up to the walls of the Capitol, and then you have an undermanned and understaffed Capitol Police Force who are in a position where they have to outnumber, they have to push back.
00:29:59.780 And then in between that, at the relevant points of entry, and at the most critical junctures during that day, you have multiple people who are inciting violence in between the crowd and the police.
00:30:15.220 Many of those people were identified last year very early on in this process.
00:30:20.960 Many of those people still have not been charged.
00:30:24.060 So how is it that grandma and grandpa from Idaho, and Johnny from California, and Ricky from Florida, and Misty from New York City are all charged, but these people who are front and center inciting violence are somehow not charged.
00:30:41.000 So absent these people inciting violence, does a conflict happen at the walls of the Capitol, at the East and West entrances?
00:30:48.380 I submit to you that it would not.
00:30:50.860 And there's 50 prior protests that would indicate that these protests are always peaceful.
00:30:55.600 So absent their participation, the answer is no, this would have been a peaceful protest.
00:31:00.940 Because of their participation, it was not.
00:31:03.720 Is that grounds for entrapment?
00:31:05.220 Yes, it is.
00:31:06.500 Counselor, I have to say, it's appalling.
00:31:10.820 I think like every citizen listening to you, we're disgusted.
00:31:18.740 This is inexcusable what happened and the way in which the government, under the presidency of Joe Biden, has pursued it under the Attorney General Merrick Garland's statement that there's no higher priority.
00:31:36.860 And today, on January 6th, the Vice President Kamala Harris saying that January 6th, she found some equivalency with Pearl Harbor, for God's sake, Joe.
00:31:52.240 Pearl Harbor.
00:31:54.060 This is President Biden talking about somehow keeping Donald Trump from ever running for office again because of his role.
00:32:05.900 These are not only inexcusable, hyperbolic, disgusting comments coming from the two top officers of our constitutional republic, but they are downright Stalinist, they are Marxist, and they are destructive of every value that our founding fathers established.
00:32:29.620 Your reaction?
00:32:30.720 I want to read you something right here from the Holocaust encyclopedia, and I want you to let me know if this sounds familiar to you.
00:32:38.180 This is about the burning of the Reichstag that took place on February 27th, 1933.
00:32:43.580 And the Reichstag is the German parliament.
00:32:45.600 That building was burned down.
00:32:47.220 The Nazi leadership and its coalition partners used the fire to claim that the communists were planning a violent uprising.
00:32:53.680 They claimed that emergency legislation was needed to prevent this.
00:32:57.200 The resulting act, commonly known as the Reichstag fire decree, abolished the number of constitutional protections and paved the way for the Nazi dictatorship.
00:33:07.300 Does that sound familiar to you?
00:33:09.520 It sounds, it's, you know, it is just incredible how we do not learn from history.
00:33:17.080 And we have, and how we somehow continue after all of these years of being served obvious notice every day, whether it's on our, on the websites, the newspapers, the televisions, networks of the corporate media oligarchs in this country.
00:33:38.260 That somehow this is still an independent press in this country, that it is not working for one party or the other, that it is not representing the money interest, that it is not representing the financial and political interests of the oligarchs who control them.
00:33:55.360 And I am talking about Morton Zuckerman, I am talking about Larry Page, I am talking about Jeff Bezos, I am talking about Disney, I am talking about Comcast, I am talking about CBS, Viacom.
00:34:11.900 And I, and it goes on and on and on, six people, six entities control 90% of the national political media.
00:34:25.680 That's insane.
00:34:27.400 And Joe, people still don't get it.
00:34:30.320 They still don't get it.
00:34:31.620 The audience listening to this podcast get it and others.
00:34:35.580 But we are, we are caught in something that is so reminiscent of what Lenin and Stalin did, of what dictators across the world have done.
00:34:50.500 We don't even have to bring it up to date with what Xi Jinping is doing in the, in communist China.
00:34:59.400 We accept communist China, our leaders do, is a competitor and occasional cooperator.
00:35:07.740 We look at Russia and Putin, and he is somehow a greater enemy and a foul force, while the obvious, the obvious same dictator and authoritarian, totalitarian impulses that drive Russia drive China.
00:35:26.660 At times, I think the, the entire national media has gone mad.
00:35:32.200 They have gone mad and they are not loyal to the United States.
00:35:36.920 They are loyal to some type of cohort of the international community.
00:35:42.880 The, the United States is the, the populace in the United States has for a long time been asleep at the wheel.
00:35:51.200 Um, you look around and you go to a party and you go to a gathering before, you know, while those were still allowed and you see people on their phone, you see people distracted.
00:36:03.380 People are disconnected from each other.
00:36:05.380 They live in these little, you know, isolation bubbles, even before COVID happened.
00:36:09.640 And they don't want to be bothered.
00:36:12.800 They're in their phone.
00:36:13.780 They're in their mind.
00:36:14.880 They have their little groups of people and they don't want to know about the truth.
00:36:20.220 They don't want to know about what's really going on in the world.
00:36:23.300 They're not concerned with it.
00:36:24.760 They're only concerned with their next meal, their next like on social media, where they're going out that night.
00:36:30.580 So on and so forth.
00:36:32.500 But while that is happening, America's enemies are gathering against us and they're gathering in the financial sector.
00:36:40.520 They're gathering in the military sector.
00:36:42.580 They're gathering in the political arena and they do not want to see America, um, leading the world anymore.
00:36:50.720 And I do fear that if people don't wake up and wake up now, that we may not be able to sustain this.
00:37:01.520 When you will look at the constitution and inspired document written by men with great foresight during times like these, four times like these, these men and the women behind them had just left this.
00:37:18.660 What is essentially a totalitarian, totalitarian regime, but they were subjects to the king and they wanted nothing more to do with that.
00:37:26.840 So they fought for our independence.
00:37:28.520 They forged forth and they created a new country, a democratic republic founded upon Christian principles.
00:37:34.640 And they enshrined just like the old Testament has the 10 commandments.
00:37:38.320 We have the bill of rights, the first 10 amendments to the constitution.
00:37:41.520 And there, the regime who's in power now is going after your first amendment, your second amendment, your third, your fourth, your fifth, all the way down the line in order to take those rights from us.
00:37:54.120 Because the minute we give those up, it is over.
00:37:57.860 So America needs to wake up.
00:38:00.920 America really needs to know what is going on right now.
00:38:03.940 Now, these January 6th cases, this is a watershed moment.
00:38:09.140 This is a crossroads for our country.
00:38:11.580 You don't have to approve of what anybody did that day, but you must disapprove of the jailing of political dissidents in this country and their torture in jail.
00:38:23.000 And, you know, what's really concerning is that in these cases, the government has raided people's houses.
00:38:28.980 And one of the things that they routinely take away from people and then use it in their papers as indicia of radicalization are pocket constitutions.
00:38:40.680 Unbelievable.
00:38:42.000 Unbelievable.
00:38:42.600 What is that?
00:38:43.860 Well, it tells us where we are.
00:38:46.820 And it is a sad moment in our history.
00:38:49.220 And if we are to emerge from this, as we have with previous challenges of this magnitude stronger, we're going to have to be much stronger ourselves and very quickly.
00:39:01.440 I want to turn to one other aspect of this, and that's the Bureau of Prisons.
00:39:05.660 The director of the Bureau of Prisons, Federal Bureau of Prisons, just announcing his resignation.
00:39:13.620 You have been at the forefront, along with congressional leaders, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, in calling out the treatment of those prisoners, some of whom have been held for a very long time.
00:39:31.320 And finally, he's resigning.
00:39:35.380 How big a change is that supposed to represent, or is it simply a ruse to take pressure off of the Bureau of Prisons for the treatment of these political prisoners?
00:39:48.880 Good question.
00:39:50.380 You know, I'll use the example of Christopher Quaglin.
00:39:52.600 And he was visited by Marjorie Taylor Greene and Congressman Louie Gohmert, him and a bunch of other guys who were in the January 6th pod.
00:40:01.600 They call it the Patriot Pod in D.C. jail, what we have labeled as D.C. Guantanamo Bay.
00:40:06.880 He was visited there on November 4th.
00:40:10.260 And he had been dealing.
00:40:12.340 He's got celiac disease.
00:40:13.960 So Marjorie Taylor Greene, Congressman Gohmert were like, hey, you know, what's going on with you?
00:40:18.740 We heard you got celiac disease.
00:40:19.880 And he said, yes, I've suffered.
00:40:21.340 They don't get the food right here.
00:40:22.600 They don't care about me.
00:40:23.620 So on and so forth.
00:40:24.960 Celiac is an autoimmune disease that affects the intestinal tract, correct?
00:40:33.120 Yes, it infects the intestinal tract.
00:40:36.360 And in his case, it's pretty severe.
00:40:38.800 He can't have gluten, wheat, so on and so forth.
00:40:41.400 So if food is cross-contaminated, he gets very, very, his pain is so bad that he'd rather not eat.
00:40:48.140 Because eating causes him that much pain.
00:40:50.200 So if he's got to choose starvation versus pain, he chooses starvation.
00:40:54.300 That's telling.
00:40:56.020 So they filed a report condemning the CTF wing where January 6ers were being held.
00:41:03.280 They filed that report on December 7th.
00:41:05.400 Christopher was retaliated against.
00:41:07.000 He's been moved around the prison system six times.
00:41:09.320 He recently arrived at Northern Neck Facility in Virginia.
00:41:15.380 I'm sorry about the background noise.
00:41:17.140 That's a consequence of being in New York City.
00:41:19.800 New York City.
00:41:20.960 Yes, sir.
00:41:22.200 So he arrived on the 21st of December.
00:41:27.320 And within 10 days, he lost 20 pounds.
00:41:30.440 Oh, my God.
00:41:31.100 We said to them, like, what is going on?
00:41:34.140 You can't do this.
00:41:35.280 And then in an act of retaliation, they put him in a pod full of COVID-positive people.
00:41:40.440 And then they told him, well, now you got COVID in addition to your weight loss.
00:41:44.060 And they threw him in solitary confinement.
00:41:46.440 So members of Congress had already been aware of his situation.
00:41:51.300 Congresswoman Green stepped in.
00:41:54.280 And some others, Clay Higgins from Louisiana stepped in.
00:41:58.660 In addition to all the stuff that I've been doing, they wrote a very pointed letter to
00:42:03.540 the director of the Bureau of Prisons, Director Carvajal.
00:42:06.580 And he said, look, we know what's going on.
00:42:09.080 We know about this situation and other situations like this.
00:42:12.620 If he dies in your care, and they literally say this, the sun will not set on his grave
00:42:18.060 before we pursue criminal charges against you.
00:42:21.440 48 hours later.
00:42:23.280 Sure.
00:42:24.280 I was just going to say 48 hours later, or 72 hours later, the guy resigns.
00:42:28.480 Yeah.
00:42:28.920 I just wanted to quote the letter from the congressman.
00:42:34.020 Clay Higgins, Jeff Duncan, Andy Biggs, the head of the Freedom Caucus, Andrew Clyde, Jody
00:42:40.720 Heiss, as we said, Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:42:45.340 And with them, Mary Miller, Ralph Norman, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar, Byron Donalds, Andy Harris,
00:42:55.980 Randy Weber, Scott Perry, in my opinion, patriots, all and examples for what congressmen should
00:43:03.680 be doing for the American people.
00:43:06.780 But there is one line that Joe just referenced, which is very powerful.
00:43:12.640 We expect action from your office to provide immediate medical care for the referenced American citizen.
00:43:20.100 If he dies from the poisoning you are allowing, you will face criminal referral before the sun sets on his grave.
00:43:28.280 God, I love this letter, and I love these congressmen.
00:43:33.040 And they are standing up for the values that matter most to this country, our Constitution and the American way of life, as are you, Joe.
00:43:43.840 And I want to give you, if I may, an opportunity.
00:43:47.400 We always give our guests the last word.
00:43:50.980 Your thoughts on where we are and where we go from here.
00:43:56.160 America is at a crossroads.
00:43:58.560 You know, we have houses that are divided, father against son, mother against daughter, brother against brother.
00:44:07.280 You find that the Constitution was written during times like these, four times like these.
00:44:12.680 You find that scriptures were also written during times like these, four times like these.
00:44:18.080 A house divided has no chance of long-term survival, never mind sustaining an attack from the outside or the inside.
00:44:26.800 Americans need to unite.
00:44:28.800 They need to figure out a way to get back to common ground.
00:44:32.400 Pope John Paul II often said that common ground was holy ground.
00:44:36.320 I believe that.
00:44:38.160 I hope that as a society, we can find a way to forgive each other and find a way to get back there so we can truly make America great again.
00:44:46.040 Because this is the greatest country that the world has ever known.
00:44:50.140 With regard to anyone, if they're looking to follow my work or what I'm doing, you can find me at McBrideLawNYC.
00:44:58.460 That is my tag across Twitter and Getter and all social media platforms.
00:45:03.180 If anybody finds it in their heart where they want to give to the work that we're doing or to the families who don't have their breadwinners at home who are suffering, they can go to Patriot Freedom Project and they can find multiple ways to give there.
00:45:17.900 It's a 501c3 tax deductible.
00:45:20.540 That money always gets put to good use.
00:45:23.020 They pay for bills and Christmas gifts and plumbing costs and medical needs.
00:45:28.920 They even fund some legal funds over there as well.
00:45:31.160 It's a great organization of people.
00:45:33.140 It's ran by Cynthia Hughes.
00:45:34.420 She's an awesome and great patriot.
00:45:37.100 I am thankful for your time, Lou.
00:45:38.920 I am thankful for all your work.
00:45:40.540 God bless you and the team around you.
00:45:42.180 And God bless America.
00:45:44.180 Amen, Joe.
00:45:45.160 And God bless you.
00:45:46.440 And all on this anniversary of a protest and a demonstration in the nation's capital that went terribly wrong before several hundred people, hundreds of Americans, but which has gone even further wrong for this government of ours.
00:46:09.420 And shame, shame, shame, shame on this White House for permitting this conduct on the part of federal agencies, law enforcement agencies against patriots and protesters exercising their rights and the shameless way in which they have been treated.
00:46:28.680 Joe McBride, Joe McBride, Joe McBride, Joe McBride, among those at the forefront of trying to do the right thing for these people a year, a year on from those demonstrations.
00:46:42.240 And for what, for some small portion of those demonstrators turned out to be a riot that moved to the Capitol.
00:46:51.940 These are tough times made tougher by partisan politics and the politics of personal destruction, practiced by the radical Democratic Party.
00:47:02.480 And I would just say, you know, God bless America.
00:47:06.880 Let us find the way to win for the Constitution and for the nation.
00:47:12.240 Thank you for being with us on January 6th.
00:47:16.560 This is the Great America Show.
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