The Great America Show - JOHN SOLOMON REPORTS THE FBI AND DOJ WERE SPYING ON THE GOP’S TOP TWO INTEL INVESTIGATORS NUNES AND PATEL FOR 5 YEARS

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. And here we are. Christmas and Hanukkah just ended, and I hope your holidays were joyous and uplifting. And now we have a new year beginning. And so much is just moving ahead, indifferent to calendars and clocks and no schedule and uncertain directions.

00:00:22.220 Among those familiar issues, events, and persistent subjects of important consequence is COVID-19, with us still. Three years, give or take a lie or two about its origins and when it actually was unleashed in China. It's not only still with us and the world, unfortunately, but it is with us, particularly in China, where COVID is infecting now as many as a million people a day.

00:00:50.940 At least as some publications report or propagandize, take your pick, may be about to double. That is, two million Chinese may be infected each day soon. We should all keep in mind that there are only a few journalists over there reporting on this massive medical mystery and the political intrigue that surrounds it all.

00:01:13.320 China is, China is, China is, China is, I think we can't repeat this often enough, a communist totalitarian state. It's a dictatorship. It's totalitarian. And that means the Chinese permit reporters to only see what their government wants the West to know or to believe. 0.54

00:01:31.320 So we seldom know the reality, the truth of Chinese existence, their politics and economy. So we end up with best guesses, planted lies, and perspectives shaped and pushed by the CCP.

00:01:45.380 And alas, the commies aren't much more authoritarian and controlling than the Biden White House or the Pentagon or the State Department and or the FBI, the Justice Department.

00:01:57.200 Think about this as we head into this new year. The FBI Director, Chris Wray and his deputies, and Attorney General Merrick Garland and his deputies, absolutely categorically refusing to answer questions of the oversight committees and members of Congress who have such oversight responsibilities.

00:02:18.060 Or they simply outright lied to Congress. The FBI and the Department of Justice, we know for a fact, tried to frame Donald Trump, to deny him the presidency first, and then to overthrow his presidency.

00:02:32.580 And together they lied to create, at last count, two presidential impeachments, two special counsels, more than four years of FBI investigations, and they lied to change history, to deny President Trump re-election, and to elect Joe Biden president.

00:02:51.400 And then there's what none of us really wants to admit. They've gotten away with it, haven't they? All of it.

00:03:00.120 Presidents Obama and Biden, their time in power now extends to three presidential terms, and they're already preparing us, all of us, for a fourth term.

00:03:11.260 They and their accomplices, Holder, Rice, Kling, Clinton, the deep state they've been tightly aligned with for years.

00:03:19.600 A deep state that didn't succeed in overthrowing Trump's presidency, but did succeed in stopping his re-election.

00:03:27.960 And now we know that they also succeeded in keeping secret the deep state spying on the House Intelligence Committee's top two Republican investigators.

00:03:37.980 Back in 2017, as the committee was revealing the truth about the Russia collusion hoax, for five years now, they kept secret their spy operation against the committee and covered up the truth of the Clinton, FBI, DOJ intel agencies who perpetrated the Russian hoax lies against President Trump, covered it all up.

00:04:03.160 All of this in the reporting of justthenews.com and our guest today.

00:04:08.300 Our guest is John Solomon. He's the founder and editor-in-chief of justthenews.com.

00:04:13.760 And John, welcome and Happy New Year.

00:04:16.920 Congratulations again on outstanding reporting of the corruption of the Department of Justice, the FBI.

00:04:23.460 We knew the Russian collusion hoax was the worst political scandal in our history.

00:04:27.820 Now, thanks to your reporting, we know further, it's worse than we ever imagined.

00:04:33.960 Yeah, I have to tell you, I've seen a lot of things and I knew a lot of things were wrong with the Russia collusion investigation.

00:04:40.100 I think Jim Jordan said this to me last time. He's right.

00:04:42.560 We're right. A lot of things are wrong, but we were wrong about how bad it was.

00:04:45.500 It was way worse than we thought.

00:04:46.720 Just think of this. At the moment that Devin Nunes' staff is getting to the good stuff, they're just discovering Hillary Clinton paid for the dossier and the FBI bought it hook, line, and seeker.

00:04:56.580 They just had discovered that the FBI had all this exculpatory evidence they kept from the FISA court.

00:05:00.900 They had just discovered that the FBI lied to the FISA court and doctored a document.

00:05:07.060 So at the most critical moment of November, December 2017, right before Devin Nunes is going to deliver the goods to the American people and say that whole Russia collusion story was a ruse, the Justice Department got the idea,

00:05:20.200 why don't we go take a look at the emails and phone records of the top two investigators on the committee, one of them being Kash Patel.

00:05:26.600 Well, they get a grand jury subpoena and they get it and they collude with Google and they grab these records.

00:05:34.160 And for five years, Devin Nunes, Kash Patel, the Congress had no idea that the government was spying and snooping on the work of these very important investigators.

00:05:44.040 And Devin Nunes said to me today or said to me a couple of days ago, there's not any doubt in my mind what they're doing.

00:05:51.440 They weren't trying to solve a leak.

00:05:52.820 They were trying to see if they could find some form of dirt to leverage against me because they were afraid about what I was exposed.

00:05:59.180 And that's an amazing statement by a former chairman of one of the most important committees in Congress.

00:06:03.780 And then Jim Jordan comes on last night and he says, hey, we're going to investigate this, add this to the list of political acts of the Justice Department that we are going to run to ground.

00:06:11.460 We're going to hold people accountable.

00:06:12.900 And then he stops for a second after thinking about this and he says, you know what?

00:06:17.260 I've been talking to a lot of whistleblowers lately in the FBI.

00:06:19.280 I wonder if they're spying on me right now.

00:06:21.160 Now, that is the doubt.

00:06:23.160 That is the intrusion that the Justice Department has created, that the government at any moment, for any reason, despite the separation of powers, despite the guarantee of civil liberties, they can come and do what they want, when they want.

00:06:35.420 And you might not even know it for five years.

00:06:38.180 And think about this, because you and I have been reporting on some of this for a considerable time now.

00:06:44.360 But we go back to 2018.

00:06:47.240 Yes.

00:06:47.820 We knew Nunes had the goods on lots, lots of stuff in all of that, that he couldn't break loose, that the president of the United States couldn't share.

00:07:00.820 And he knew it.

00:07:02.600 But we are left with, right now, a historical record that says corruption and, you know, that just came in waves and to an extent that we never dreamed possible.

00:07:18.320 And yet we still don't have the goods.

00:07:22.420 We still don't have the documents.

00:07:24.660 We still don't have the case to pursue against the deep state, do we?

00:07:31.560 No, and that's what makes what Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans, who just enabled the passage of this $1.7 trillion bill, have taken away from the House Republicans.

00:07:43.000 Just think about the dynamic that's going on here.

00:07:45.480 In a divided government, if Democrats have half and Republicans only have the House, the only leverage that the House Republicans would have had to get answers, to create accountability, to create consequences, they could use the power of the purse.

00:07:57.660 Hey, FBI, if you don't stop censoring people on Twitter, we're going to cut your budget.

00:08:02.420 Hey, FBI, if you don't start filing on Congress, we may defund your counterintelligence division.

00:08:09.360 Hey, Anthony Fauci and NIH or whoever's left there, if you don't stop telling us lies about the COVID thing, we're going to stop funding your studies.

00:08:18.060 Mitch McConnell just took an entire year of leverage away from the House of Republicans.

00:08:22.240 The entire fiscal 2023 budget, which I think most Americans voted for House Republicans to have a say on, will have the impreter and priorities of the Democratic Congress, and the Republicans will have all of the leverage lost for the first year of oversight, which means they can have show hearings, they can use the power of shame to bring things out, but they won't be able to punish anyone at least until October 1st of next year when the new fiscal year came.

00:08:47.840 So Mitch McConnell undercut one of the great promises that voters had from the House of Republicans, that they could actually create consequence by having the power of the purse.

00:08:57.980 Mitch McConnell erased that for a second.

00:08:59.960 And what did he give the American people in return for?

00:09:03.400 Let me just give you a list of things that Congressman Chip Roy has put out of all the special interest spending that Democrats got into this bill.

00:09:11.400 $105,000 for a mentoring program for LGBTQ youth in Pittsburgh, $1 million for Zora's House, a LGBTQ and gender expansive working environment in Ohio, $500,000 for the Long Island Gay and Lesbian Youth Inc.

00:09:26.960 I'll go on and on.

00:09:27.640 $1.2 million for a center to support LGBT students in California.

00:09:31.060 Every liberal cause in every liberal city represented by every liberal Democrat got money spent on their behalf with the sanctioning of Republicans in the Senate to fund things that most Americans would not want to fund in this moment of great debt and inflation in America.

00:09:47.620 And $1.7 trillion goes out the door.

00:09:50.220 Some of it is going to help 13 foreign countries build better border walls, but none of it will go to build a better, better border wall or to slow the illegal migrant crisis in this country.

00:10:02.660 How insane is that?

00:10:03.980 That will help other countries build a border wall, but prohibit that from happening on our own soil.

00:10:08.780 Mitch McConnell made that possible.

00:10:13.440 So, John, let's start with what could McConnell have done?

00:10:20.220 To block the $1.7 trillion omnibus bill and given power back to the GOP for the budget year 2023, at least, up to September 30th of 2023.

00:10:38.080 Kevin McCarthy had a really simple idea.

00:10:40.200 Hey, guys, let's just do a short-term CR, kick the government's funding over at current rates to early, mid-January, and then the new Congresses will get together and we'll make a deal.

00:10:49.160 That's all that had to be done.

00:10:50.740 We've done it many times.

00:10:51.980 We've done it many Christmases.

00:10:53.140 How many times have we were sitting on our nails a few days before Christmas waiting for an emergency CR to be passed so that the government would be shut down?

00:11:00.760 Mitch McConnell's done it his whole life that way.

00:11:02.820 Many times he wouldn't do it because it would have given the House Republicans a say in next year's budget.

00:11:08.580 He took that all away.

00:11:10.300 Now, I want to step back for a second because I did some research.

00:11:12.880 It will be in January, in a few short days, it will be the 20th year that Mitch McConnell has been in Senate leadership.

00:11:20.360 In 2003, he was elected Senate Whip, and then from Senate Whip he rose to majority leader, minority leader.

00:11:25.540 He's been going back and forth.

00:11:27.140 20 years he's been in control of the Senate in a significant way.

00:11:30.140 The year that he took over as a Senate leader in 2003, the national debt accumulated over 230 or 25 years at that moment stood at $6.3 trillion.

00:11:43.780 Twenty years later, that debt is now on track to exceed $32 trillion in the next fiscal year.

00:11:51.080 Eighty percent of all the debt that has been accumulated in 246 years of history in America has occurred since Mitch McConnell joined the Senate leadership in 2003.

00:12:02.320 That is something you have to consider for a guy who goes around saying he's a fiscal conservative. 0.90

00:12:07.920 Yeah, if he's a conservative, you know, pigs fly.

00:12:11.200 And furthermore, the Republican Party has never come to terms with Mitch McConnell. 0.88

00:12:20.020 He is conflicted.

00:12:21.760 He is compromised.

00:12:23.780 There is no other way to explain his votes, his agenda, and his strategies.

00:12:30.360 Do you disagree?

00:12:31.580 Yeah, listen, there's a couple things that Legacy will show.

00:12:34.140 He did.

00:12:34.520 He was very good at continuing to get conservative judges on the bench when he could,

00:12:37.920 and certainly the Supreme Court that has saved us from some pretty significant overreaches in government reflects his work to get those justices on there during the Trump years.

00:12:47.360 But you don't get to be a great baseball player by batting 100, right?

00:12:51.260 The great basketball, baseball players bat 300, 400, 500.

00:12:54.540 This man has not been able to deliver on so much, and he's always been willing to compromise.

00:12:59.320 I remember back in 2011 when there was a moment with the new Tea Party-infused Republican majorities in Congress where Mitch McConnell could have shut down the government for a little bit and not kick the debt ceiling aboard and force Obama to come to the table.

00:13:15.300 He chose to sign off on a debt ceiling expansion, and that acceleration of deficit spending has never stopped since that moment.

00:13:23.300 It just keeps accelerating, and it is fitting that on the 20th anniversary of his role in leadership, another $1.7 trillion gets thrown on the fire, and the American taxpayers are the kindling for it.

00:13:36.640 And so, yeah, he can get some credit for judges.

00:13:42.180 I think he deserves some of that based on the historical record he's achieved there, but he's been hired to do so much more than that.

00:13:47.960 You can't be a one-note Johnny when you're a Senate leader.

00:13:50.500 I think most conservatives look at him and say he hasn't delivered what he says he stands for.

00:13:56.360 I think what he stands for is alignment with every force that opposes not only MAGA Republicans, First America Republicans, but the essential tenets of conservative Republicanism.

00:14:15.840 He is, to me, a disgrace for the way he has conducted himself, the way he has behaved, and I know this is an unpopular view, but he has also just destroyed this majority in the House.

00:14:31.540 One half of their time in this next two-year term now is owned by Mitch McConnell and the Marxist Dems, 0.74

00:14:40.280 and that means that they can't deliver on what they had promised to the voters in the midterms of 2020.

00:14:48.560 Yeah, that's absolutely true, and that's not even a controversial view.

00:14:52.640 There are Senate Republicans who told me, yep, we know we're doing that, and all the House Republicans have lined up one after the other after the other, say that's what they've done to us.

00:15:00.400 They took the power of the person, our ability to achieve accountability away for the first of our two years.

00:15:06.540 What a travesty that is for all those House Republicans that thought they could deliver on a promise to the American people, and Mitch McConnell pulled that out from under them.

00:15:14.260 Now, there's an interesting dynamic I want to talk about, Lou, just if you have one second.

00:15:17.720 It's an idea that you and I started talking about back in August, and it has been gaining momentum, and in the last 24, 48 hours, it has gotten to a crescendo.

00:15:29.280 The idea that we need to do something big about the FBI and Justice Department, to do a church-style committee that not only exposes it, but literally creates a reformatting, a reshaping, a restatement of the FBI's mission so that they're not in the business of censorship and spying.

00:15:45.940 They're in the business of solving crimes and protecting the country.

00:15:48.240 In the last 24 hours, last 48 hours, excuse me, two of the most important voices who could make a church committee happen in this country have both suddenly rallied around it.

00:15:58.760 Jim Jordan, House Judiciary Committee chair, and he says, we've got to go big.

00:16:03.420 We've got to literally rewrite the rules for the FBI.

00:16:06.300 We need a church committee.

00:16:07.580 And Kevin McCarthy, if he were to become the speaker, has signed off on that concept.

00:16:11.840 A lot of conservatives are really rallying around this idea.

00:16:14.600 And I know we always say, oh, commissions don't have effect.

00:16:16.580 But the sort of commission they're talking about, like what we had after 9-11 or what we had in the 1970s, are one of the few times that Congress actually got something changed in the bureaucracy.

00:16:25.900 The idea that that is growing, even in the midst of the failures that Mitch McConnell just voiced upon his party, I think is going to get a lot of attention.

00:16:33.840 It may be one of the few bright spots we have at the beginning of 2023 to look forward to.

00:16:38.340 Well, that is encouraging.

00:16:41.160 But the fact that the Republican Party has been stymied at every turn since 2016, really.

00:16:51.360 Yes, that's true.

00:16:51.980 And to the point that they have had no effect, makes me wonder if they are capable of having an effect on government.

00:17:04.120 It makes me wonder, and I think lots, millions and millions of Americans right now are wondering,

00:17:08.920 what is wrong with the American system of government that it cannot deal with the banality, the mendaciousness, the duplicity, and the outright evil of a party in a two-party system that was not exactly envisioned by the Constitution, certainly originally.

00:17:33.080 We have a government that isn't coming to terms with its greatest threat, which is the deep state and the Marxist Dems trying to tear us under every value, every foundational institution in this country, the legal system, and the people are powerless.

00:17:52.920 We, the people who require consent of the governed, are suddenly irrelevant to our government, its direction, and outcomes.

00:18:05.060 Yeah, and just think about who are some of the biggest winners.

00:18:08.460 If you listen to the last two years of Senate and House Republicans, some of their greatest grievances are against the FBI and the ATF.

00:18:16.320 The ATF are taking various steps to infringe the Second Amendment, the FBI taking various steps to seemingly to violate several amendments, the First Amendment, Fourth Amendment among them.

00:18:26.500 The whole spying on Devin Nunes scandal fits into that, the Russia collusion.

00:18:31.920 Who are the two biggest agencies to win big in this bill?

00:18:34.620 The ATF and the FBI.

00:18:35.920 Why?

00:18:36.120 They're getting the funding for brand new, smacking, larger headquarters so they can fill it up with more bureaucrats. 0.95

00:18:42.040 And who is another one that could have gotten punished in this bill and didn't?

00:18:45.200 The IRS, the Republicans that said they were all upset about the 87,000 new agents, they didn't strip them when they signed into this bill.

00:18:53.160 So the deep state bureaucracy, which is conservatives who've been complaining for two years, call all of these entities, they just made them bigger, more wealthy, more luxurious headquarters, and more power after all the whining and complaining they did.

00:19:08.320 So when Republicans look in the mirror, they have no one but themselves to blame for the crisis that are now creating for themselves.

00:19:15.200 And the American people are being played for complete fools, whether it be the corporate-owned, and I'm talking about corporate America, I'm talking about corporate globalists who own the national media in this country. 0.74

00:19:30.620 Uh, the Republican, uh, the Republican, uh, the Republican rhinos, the Marxist Dems of the Democratic Party, all of those forces are arrayed against the American citizen, uh, the American family, American traditions, the American way of life. 0.90

00:19:46.660 And there is no other outcome than significant, significant rupture between, uh, the people and this government that is right now weaponized, uh, to destroy any citizen at a whim.

00:20:02.220 Because the judiciary is as much, uh, uh, is as much a, uh, a corrupt enterprise as is any other part of the federal government.

00:20:12.720 Uh, there are no checks and balances because the branches of government are all corrupted, uh, and, uh, only one element, the legislative branch, only one of the houses.

00:20:26.040 Uh, and it's the weaker house, if you will, the house of representatives, uh, is impotent for another year because of the, the corruption of one Senate minority leader.

00:20:39.840 Imagine that there is a lot to grasp in, in the state of the conservative movement at this moment.

00:20:47.060 Uh, there's no doubt what the philosophy that the base of the party wants.

00:20:51.220 It's an America first philosophy.

00:20:52.540 Now it is not the country club Republican or neocon agenda of 20 years ago.

00:20:57.380 There is a combination of Reaganism and Trumpism that have come together for America first, the base of the party in, and it's growing, um, base among everyday Americans, uh, has embraced that.

00:21:09.840 There's a fight between the personalities of a Donald Trump and other type characters in the party.

00:21:15.040 But the biggest gap is between what the, um, base says and what its leaders say they stand for and the actions of those leaders who every day seem to act against the very stated values that they claim to have for this.

00:21:30.140 Now, maybe there's going to be a new sheriff in town.

00:21:32.380 Jim Jordan seems like a guy that's going to do exactly what he says.

00:21:35.540 He says what he means and he means what he says, but Republicans need.

00:21:39.260 So many more Jim Jordans and so fewer legacy politicians who give great speeches that sound like Ronald Reagan, but vote like Chuck Schumer.

00:21:50.040 And I think that the great moment in the party is to begin to hold accountable those who said they were going to do things and did something different.

00:21:59.280 And Chip Roy has an interesting idea.

00:22:00.880 He's the congressman from Texas who more than any other Republican in the last two weeks has tried to rally his own party to wake up and say, you can't vote for this bill.

00:22:09.500 Now, he fell a few votes short.

00:22:11.060 He acknowledges that.

00:22:12.240 But he has an idea next year.

00:22:13.760 Dear Republican senators, those of you who vote for this plan, just know this.

00:22:19.020 If you put any pet project, if your name is attached to anything in a spending bill that comes over to the House next year, I promise you we are going to delete it.

00:22:28.540 You will get nothing for your constituents next year out of the House.

00:22:31.960 You want to fight it out, shut the government down, go ahead.

00:22:34.380 You're not getting it from us.

00:22:35.400 If someone like Chip Roy can create that mentality and they can get a Kevin McCarthy and the appropriations chair to enforce that, those senators are going to, for the first time, feel some pain.

00:22:46.380 They're going to have to go back to their district and say, I couldn't get you funding for whatever the project was because last year I voted for a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:22:53.380 Those are the sort of moments that if leaders in the Republican Party step forward and start doing things instead of talking about doing things, there could be a fundamental shift in the party.

00:23:03.860 The party has been talking a great game for 25 years, but during those 25 years, government has grown more expansively than at any time in American history, and Republicans have been in charge of one or more of the branches of government for the majority of that time.

00:23:17.940 George W. Bush, Mitch McConnell, are the big government expanders.

00:23:23.860 You know, and as you say that, I think, well, where were all these votes on earmarks?

00:23:30.000 How did those earmarks get restored?

00:23:32.280 Because all of these tough-talking, rabble-rousing, Republicans, rough-and-ready guys, you know, with a principal vision, and guess what?

00:23:42.880 It turns out to be so much smoke and bladder.

00:23:45.360 Yeah.

00:23:45.840 There was a gentleman who stopped me on the street the other day as I was walking down the street.

00:23:50.060 He recognized me, and we started talking, and he said,

00:23:52.020 excuse me, so many of the Republicans today remind me of Teddy Roosevelt and the Rough Riders without any guns or horses or chaps.

00:24:02.080 And you get the idea of what an average American says.

00:24:05.000 They sound like they're going to be Teddy Roosevelt, but they don't bring any of the weapons to the game.

00:24:09.140 And I think the Democrats have figured this out, that the Republicans are weak, that they play tiddlywinks in an era of battleship.

00:24:16.680 And I think a lot of people are beginning to roll up that, hey, if this is your last chance, you don't start to show change this time, we're going to start looking at third-party alternatives.

00:24:26.120 And I think that Ross Perot third-party movement could very well be invigorated if this Republican term, these next two years, fails to start to deliver the substantive change that they've been promised.

00:24:37.780 And it is starting on a very bad note.

00:24:40.460 Mitch McConnell has set back the entire conservative movement with the decisions he just made.

00:24:46.380 Well, I'm going to say something that may thrill a lot of Republicans.

00:24:48.960 But the truth of the matter is, if this party has Ronald McDaniel as the chair of the RNC, Kevin McCarthy as the Speaker of the House, or any other RINO substitute, I'm not going to be part of the Republican Party because this is living a lie. 0.97

00:25:04.920 Because these people are fools and knaves, and we've got enough of those in one party, that is the Democratic Party. 0.97

00:25:12.660 When you listen to a Paul Ryan, when you listen, by the way, Steve Scalise is no more a conservative than is Kevin McCarthy. 0.99

00:25:21.140 And you hear the prattle it's already started about, well, we're vetting him because he could step in if McCarthy doesn't get it.

00:25:26.820 Now, suddenly, they're acknowledging that the Freedom Caucus is making inroads in stopping Kevin McCarthy, who was assured of a coronation,

00:25:36.300 and that there could be an honest battle, forthright, philosophical, ideological, political battle for the Speakership on the merits.

00:25:45.980 And now they're talking about vetting Steve Scalise.

00:25:48.460 This tells you that the establishment is scared to death.

00:25:52.360 Now, they're truly scared to death.

00:25:54.740 And Andy Biggs has started, I think, a brush fire.

00:25:59.740 Yeah, and in a tender, dry moment in the party's history.

00:26:04.040 So it could really catch fire quickly.

00:26:06.360 Listen, there are things that Kevin McCarthy can do and may do to bring the party together.

00:26:11.340 But he has to not just make lip service.

00:26:13.660 He has to make major concessions and say status quo is not acceptable.

00:26:17.920 Right now, he's trying to hold on to as much of the status quo as he can get.

00:26:21.520 That's not what the American people voted for.

00:26:23.700 And if Kevin McCarthy wants to be Speaker and he wants to stop the potential of an embarrassment or a fight, it's a very simple thing.

00:26:31.660 Go back to the values that were in your commitment with America.

00:26:34.740 Change the rules in Congress to ensure that everybody can get the impact that they promised the American people.

00:26:40.440 And he can be Speaker and he'd have to live by the rules he did.

00:26:43.500 He's trying to hold on like so many, like Mitch McConnell just achieved in doing, the legacy status quo.

00:26:50.440 Because it's just so much easier to govern if you just do CRs and earmarks and make everybody happy and the budget be damned.

00:26:57.600 And I think Kevin McCarthy still has a window to go and look those guys in the face that are holding the line, putting action to their values and said, all right, if you make these five, six concessions, you truly change the way we do it, we'll give you a shot.

00:27:12.260 He can still do that.

00:27:13.640 He'll have to live by the rules he creates.

00:27:15.360 Thus far, he hasn't shown a willingness yet to do that.

00:27:19.080 And Mitch McConnell has now made that brush fire a lot worse.

00:27:22.640 It's now becoming a forest fire because of this $1.7 trillion.

00:27:26.500 The economy is going to feel this.

00:27:28.420 That's another $1.7 trillion we're printing at the printing presses that is almost certainly going to create more inflationary pressure.

00:27:35.440 So not only all the wasteful spending, a bad economy could get another bad poke in the ribs because of this reckless spending.

00:27:41.500 You know, that $1.7 trillion of just pure spending is 20% of the total assets on the Federal Reserve Board's balance sheet that they're trying to run off and doing so with great care and caution. 0.99

00:27:59.680 And these morons, these idiots in both parties who have just done this have just added greater drive to the inflationary pressures in this country. 1.00

00:28:13.240 They're irresponsible, they're ignorant, and there's just no other way to look at it. 1.00

00:28:19.160 The Democrats, I guess, have every reason to be proud of their party. 1.00

00:28:22.380 The Republicans have none.

00:28:23.760 I hear you talking about Kevin McCarthy, and so I've got to say, my friend, I truly wonder what Kevin McCarthy's ever done to deserve being Speaker.

00:28:34.100 He was chosen by Paul Ryan, handpicked.

00:28:37.020 He was tutored and mentored by Paul Ryan in the politics of nothingness, and it's almost a replay.

00:28:46.640 The Republicans are willing to take a man who represents none of their principles, ideals, or philosophy and put him in charge.

00:28:56.400 For what reason?

00:28:57.180 They're afraid of a few weeks' delay as they come to terms with putting forward a person who represents the ideals of their party and has original ideas because none of those people at the peak of the rhino pyramid are gifted thinkers, original thinkers, or thinkers who spend their time and energy thinking about America's future.

00:29:22.600 Voters want change.

00:29:24.540 Yeah, they do.

00:29:25.020 But that slim majority in the House was about change.

00:29:28.740 It was.

00:29:30.500 Status quo is not an option.

00:29:33.080 Yeah.

00:29:33.600 It's not, and yet we may be headed towards status quo.

00:29:36.840 You know, it's interesting.

00:29:37.600 I've done a lot of reporting, and I don't know Kevin McCarthy very well, and I don't try to have any opinions.

00:29:42.000 I just try to report out.

00:29:43.400 There are two views of him.

00:29:44.420 There are a lot of those who associate him, and rightly so, with the failed Paul Ryan era, the big spending, failed to stop the bureaucracy era of Paul Ryan.

00:29:53.800 Paul Ryan didn't do anything that he said he had prepared his whole career to do as Speaker.

00:29:57.980 He missed that opportunity, and he allowed the Russia collusion investigation to engulf two and a half years of a presidency when it was obvious on its face that it wasn't true.

00:30:07.420 So, Paul Ryan's legacy as a Speaker is one of the darkest periods of congressional history.

00:30:12.560 But there are those people who remember the Kevin McCarthy that was being mentored by Newt Gingrich early in his career.

00:30:18.600 And it's funny.

00:30:19.240 There's some very strong conservatives who I would think, based on what I know about Kevin McCarthy, I would say, oh, they're never going to be in McCarthy's camp.

00:30:26.200 Or Devin Nunes being a good example.

00:30:28.440 They think that there's a side of Kevin McCarthy that he hasn't yet shown.

00:30:32.300 Well, the answer is, if he hasn't shown it, it'd be a good time right now to show it.

00:30:36.260 Because he's only got a window of a few more weeks, or he may be out of a job.

00:30:39.980 So, there are these – Newt Gingrich is another person that is very strongly supportive of Kevin McCarthy and thinks that he is a different person than Paul Ryan,

00:30:48.960 even though he owns all of Paul Ryan's things.

00:30:50.700 I don't know what to make.

00:30:52.220 What I can say is that, thus far, he hasn't put enough of a conservative vision forward to distinguish himself from those most recent predecessors.

00:31:01.780 The House Freedom Caucus and people like Mark Meadows and others have put together some very conservative ideas that would be disruptive.

00:31:10.160 Stop the status quo.

00:31:11.760 Give the American public exactly what it was that they wanted.

00:31:15.740 And we'll have to see if he embraces those.

00:31:18.600 The window for him to embrace and make a change is shrinking very quickly.

00:31:23.720 But it's funny – and, Lou, and, again, I try not to have opinions.

00:31:26.400 I try to do reporting.

00:31:27.520 There's a small – there's a large number of conservatives that think he deserves a chance.

00:31:31.600 There's a lot of others like you that say, I don't know, man.

00:31:33.880 I've seen enough of the guy.

00:31:34.760 I know what he is.

00:31:36.000 This is going to play out very quickly.

00:31:37.860 And the question is, if not him, who's next?

00:31:40.900 And I think if I – my reporting tells me that Steve Scalise is not going to be the default guy they're going to go to, that's what the establishment wants.

00:31:51.660 I think you might see them turn to an outsider and pick someone outside the current caucus who can talk to establishment conservatives but thinks more like the Freedom Caucus.

00:32:02.480 And I think, you know, someone – I'm trying to think of someone that might fit that bill.

00:32:08.180 I've heard his name come up a lot.

00:32:09.540 Lee, I think, comes up a lot.

00:32:10.680 And you start to say, well, you know, maybe he's a guy that no one's thinking of and he sweeps him.

00:32:15.480 There could be a very sudden shift in this debate.

00:32:19.300 I don't think there's a coordination ahead for Steve Scalise.

00:32:22.200 I don't think that's the case.

00:32:23.640 I think they might look outside to a non-member to do this.

00:32:27.360 And we'll see if it's Lee Zeldin or someone else.

00:32:29.360 But I do think this is a healthy fight.

00:32:32.780 I think people say, oh, this is bad.

00:32:34.060 This is good.

00:32:35.040 I think the American – I think the Republican Party will come out of this knowing where it stands and how many people really share the values that they were expressing during the election.

00:32:43.480 I think that's what this fight will flesh out for us.

00:32:47.200 Yeah, I think that, you know, they're – it's really interesting to me that the Republicans right now, the Republican establishment are pushing now two names.

00:32:56.800 They started with Lee Zeldin.

00:32:58.520 He got knocked down.

00:32:59.660 So now up comes Scalise.

00:33:01.940 So far, the conference has nothing to do with this.

00:33:04.960 This is coming from outside forces.

00:33:06.860 That's right.

00:33:07.500 That's right.

00:33:08.140 And so Zeldin is submerged.

00:33:11.040 Up comes Scalise.

00:33:12.760 And he gets no better – there's no more appetite for him than there was for Zeldin.

00:33:16.700 And so now they put Zeldin back as if the only one who can do the thinking for the Republican conference is the establishment class, strategists, donors, and pollsters.

00:33:29.800 This is mindless.

00:33:31.480 If we persist in this, and we – I'm referring to what may be a temporary status, we can persist in this, the Republican Party is as good as dead.

00:33:42.820 And America is in even deeper trouble than it already is, which means we will be in full-blown emergency.

00:33:51.160 Yeah.

00:33:51.560 And listen, that idea that the Republicans could be moving towards extinction if they don't get this right, pollsters really see that.

00:33:58.520 There are pollsters measuring this, and the American people are like, this is the last shot we're giving.

00:34:03.080 We've given these guys three or four shots, and they taste great, but they're less filling every time.

00:34:07.720 We don't get what we're told we were going to get.

00:34:09.980 They have to show measurable, significant course correction change in Washington, the ability to govern and to control the narrative that they've let the Democrats own.

00:34:20.860 And if not, I think you're right.

00:34:22.200 I think the Republican Party divides, and there could be a third party for a period of time and a new realignment in American politics that we haven't seen in a century or more.

00:34:30.720 That is how consequential these next few months are.

00:34:33.620 I'm not sure a lot of the players who are at the throttle holding the flight stick right now may maybe appreciate that the stakes are that big.

00:34:41.800 Yeah, I agree with you, and I think that there is no better evidence of the trouble that the Republican Party is in, the deep crisis that the party is in, than the fact that there is no obvious leader for the Conference of Republicans in the United States Congress.

00:35:02.020 Says something, doesn't it?

00:35:03.100 It says, I think, everything about the travails that await us as a result of the Republican Party's inability to come to terms with a reality and have members who are able to rise to the challenge and to lead the nation.

00:35:23.060 If the best we can do is, you know, Ronna and Kevin and Steve and Lee, my Lord, what are we?

00:35:33.100 What are we?

00:35:34.580 And that's the first question somebody's going to have to answer.

00:35:37.480 As always, I turn it over to you, my friend, for your concluding thoughts.

00:35:41.580 We always give our guests the last word here, as you know.

00:35:46.060 If you would, John.

00:35:47.720 Yeah, you know, there's a story I broke yesterday that I think is sticking with me for a reason that may not be readily obvious.

00:35:55.440 Yesterday, we were able to get these text messages showing that Nancy Pelosi looked us all on the camera on February of 2021 and said,

00:36:02.620 I could not have influenced the security policy at the Capitol because I had no power over it.

00:36:07.880 And the news media, the Associated Press, the Washington Post, everybody rallied around it.

00:36:12.000 And they suffocated for more than 18 months any debate that Democrats could have maybe prevented this attack.

00:36:18.200 But five Republicans, by the way, with none of the cameras of the January 6th committee, none of the budget, none of the staff in the minority, but just on their own.

00:36:29.260 By the way, blessed by Kevin McCarthy to do this, went out on their own.

00:36:32.780 And somehow, they got the internal communications of Nancy Pelosi with the staff and with the security, and they were able to prove that she was wrong and that this was, in fact, a preventable attack.

00:36:44.640 That starting in mid-December, they had the intel, and Nancy Pelosi, because of optics and her team, were so deeply involved, they were editing the plan.

00:36:52.380 They were actually editing the plan, contrary to what she told us.

00:36:54.600 And they were able to completely debunk her in a way that will be, I think, legacy-affirming.

00:37:00.160 There's even mainstream media coverage, political, a lot of big sites are now paying attention to this.

00:37:05.240 If five guys with no budgets could use their principles and their tenacity to go get a secret that the Democrats had spent all of their efforts trying to bury,

00:37:13.940 I find some hope that maybe there's enough courage in this carcass, in this movement, to go do that.

00:37:19.240 But it takes that sort of guerrilla warfare, the same guerrilla warfare, the Revolutionary War troops used in the early days to beat the greater empire.

00:37:27.860 Are there enough warriors to go into the trenches and just go do it?

00:37:32.180 No more excuses.

00:37:33.440 Just go do it.

00:37:34.620 It's a small little story, but the ingenuity and the determination to go get that stuff and dig it out and pry it from the cold-ed hands of Democrats says that there is some fight there. 0.85

00:37:45.880 Now can they take that fight and do something much bigger like fix the darn government that they've created?

00:37:50.420 They're off to a bad start, but maybe those five have started a fire that might catch on elsewhere in this party.

00:37:57.640 Well, nothing would be nicer than to see the Republicans enjoy actually getting something done to defend the party, to defend the leader of that party, Donald Trump.

00:38:10.860 But the story has been for now we're in the seventh year of the political persecution of Donald Trump and a party that could not find a way to defend him, to bring truth to the American people, but in drips and drabs suffocated by the corporate global media that owns our so-called mainstream media.

00:38:33.280 There's nothing mainstream about it.

00:38:35.080 It is left-wing as it can be and organized around the principle that the republic will not survive if they have anything to say about it.

00:38:43.920 And right now they have much.

00:38:46.040 John, as always, I appreciate you being with us.

00:38:48.400 I thank you so much.

00:38:49.680 And God bless you.

00:38:51.980 It's an honor to be with you every time we talk, Alou.

00:38:54.440 And I want to wish you a Merry Christmas.

00:38:55.640 And thank you for all you do.

00:38:57.180 You use your bullhorn every day to make our country better.

00:39:00.440 And I think everybody who listens to you, watches you, and knows you, knows that's true.

00:39:04.360 So I just want to say a personal thanks for doing that.

00:39:06.560 Well, that's very kind of you, my friend.

00:39:07.820 Thank you so much.

00:39:08.580 Same back at you.

00:39:09.620 God bless.

00:39:10.300 God bless you.

00:39:11.160 John Solomon, great journalist, great American.

00:39:14.160 Justthedews.com.

00:39:15.600 And thanks, everybody, for being with us.

00:39:17.420 Please follow us on Twitter and Truth Social at Lou Dobbs.

00:39:21.200 That's at Lou Dobbs.

00:39:22.840 Here tomorrow, Congressman Matt Rosendale of Montana.

00:39:26.920 Freedom Caucus member standing up against Kevin McCarthy.

00:39:30.460 Supporting Congressman Andy Biggs for speaker.

00:39:33.540 Please be sure to join us here tomorrow for all of that and more.

00:39:36.980 Until then, God bless you and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - December 27, 2022

JOHN SOLOMON REPORTS THE FBI AND DOJ WERE SPYING ON THE GOP’S TOP TWO INTEL INVESTIGATORS NUNES AND PATEL FOR 5 YEARS

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