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00:01:14.940 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you with us today.

00:01:23.820 China's aggression and intimidation aim now at America and our allies in Asia, and it's ramping

00:01:30.700 up. That, according to the DHS Cybersecurity Agency, Chinese-affiliated hacking groups have

00:01:37.700 infiltrated critical American infrastructure, including water utilities and oil and gas pipelines

00:01:44.580 and more. China's People's Liberation Army has hacked into more than 20 suppliers, major suppliers,

00:01:52.340 over the past year alone. And that cybersecurity agency says it's very clear the Chinese efforts

00:01:59.120 to compromise critical infrastructure is all part of a pre-positioning to be able to disrupt or destroy

00:02:06.980 critical American infrastructure in the event of war. In other words, China is getting ready for war, 0.95

00:02:14.260 puppet President Joe Biden is nowhere to be found to even concern himself about the threat. But does that

00:02:21.720 really even matter? President Biden has always been lax in his approach to his son's business partners, the

00:02:28.720 Chinese Communist Party. Let's take a listen to Joe Biden's encouragement of China over the last few years.

00:02:37.320 We want to see China rise. China is not our enemy. China is a great nation, and we should hope for the

00:02:43.320 continued expansion. China is not a problem. That a rising China is a positive development, not only for

00:02:50.560 the people of China, but for the United States and the world as a whole. And I'm even more convinced now

00:02:55.740 that a rising China is an incredibly positive development for not only China, but the United States

00:03:02.740 and the rest of the world. A rising China can be a significant asset for the region and the world.

00:03:07.840 In the president's own words, you heard it. He wants China to rise even at America's expense.

00:03:15.980 And Marxist junkyard special counsel Jack Smith going to the U.S. Supreme Court asking them to decide if

00:03:24.180 President Trump has immunity from prosecution regarding his challenge to the 2020 election.

00:03:30.160 Smith says in his filing that the case presents a fundamental question at the heart of our

00:03:36.820 democracy, as he put it, whether a former president is absolutely immune from federal prosecution for

00:03:43.640 crimes committed while in office. Interestingly, Smith didn't mention or name any alleged crimes.

00:03:51.840 Smith asking the Supreme Court for an expedited ruling, it appears so that the trial scheduled to

00:03:58.520 begin in Washington on March 4th can move ahead. Marxist Dem judge, Tanya Chutkin, who is to preside

00:04:05.820 over that case, rejected Trump's attorney's efforts to get her decision that the immunity claim was valid.

00:04:14.400 And now here is the junkyard special counsel himself asking the Supreme Court for the go-ahead.

00:04:20.960 And in the House of Representatives, it's set to vote this week on two competing FISA reform bills,

00:04:27.820 the Protect Liberty Act and the Patriot Act. One of the bills, H.R. 6570, the Protect Liberty and

00:04:35.280 End Warrantless Surveillance Act, authored by Congressman Andy Biggs. He's our guest today.

00:04:42.480 Andy Biggs sits on the House Judiciary Committee. He's currently leading the fight to overhaul FISA's 702

00:04:48.520 section. Congressman, great to have you with us. Big things happening in Washington and most of America

00:04:54.580 isn't aware of what's occurring. The American public is very interested in what this new speaker of the

00:05:01.800 House thinks about Section 702. Where does he stand? Well, the confusion stems, Lou, and I think

00:05:09.320 you'll know this when I say this, because the watchers want to continue to be able to watch without having

00:05:15.120 to get a warrant and adhere to the constitutional constraints that they're supposed to operate

00:05:20.000 under. And we're trying to put that genie back in the bottle. And they've enjoyed a time being outside

00:05:27.200 that bottle so long that they're fighting us. They're using misinformation and disinformation.

00:05:34.860 The other thing I would say about it, Lou, is they're supplying misinformation and disinformation,

00:05:42.500 and that's what they do for a living. I mean, that's their job. They're used to doing that.

00:05:47.140 So they're actually out there doing it. I still think we get my bill through the House.

00:05:53.760 The question is, have they damaged it enough so where before we would have gotten 300 to 320 votes,

00:05:59.420 have they damaged it so where it's a barely passed type of thing? And that I simply don't know.

00:06:05.100 And the Speaker's taken, in my opinion, an amorphous position. He has not come out

00:06:11.500 forcefully enough to say there's got to be warrants.

00:06:16.200 And I want to remind everybody listening to us that your bill on ending warrantless surveillance

00:06:25.100 got through the committee, was passed by the House Judiciary Committee. It was a bipartisan vote,

00:06:31.480 was it not? Yes, Lou. In fact, this is so it passed 35 to two. And it is, you know,

00:06:40.600 everybody from the ACLU to America First, I mean, they all support this bill. It's a bipartisan bill.

00:06:49.420 It's a bicameral bill. And look, Jerry Nadler is the lead co-sponsor with me. So I'm the sponsor.

00:06:57.560 Jerry Nadler is the co-sponsor. You've got Warren Davidson of Ohio. You've got

00:07:02.600 Lofgren, Zoe Lofgren of California. You've got Jayapal of Washington. You've got Jim Jordan. I mean,

00:07:14.220 you have got this basic complex of conservative and progressive Democrats who've come together.

00:07:24.380 We all recognize that all Americans have been abused by the surveillance apparatus of this

00:07:31.000 federal government. And we have to rein them in. And for whatever reason, you've got the

00:07:36.140 intelligence. Well, I told you what the reason is, but you've got the intelligence community

00:07:39.100 saying they they hate our bill. And why wouldn't they? They don't want to have warrants. They don't

00:07:45.380 want to have any constraints. I think you're making the exact point. This is about the confrontation of

00:07:53.420 the public's right to know their rights as American citizens, including their privacy,

00:07:58.960 versus the awesome power of the federal government and the agencies of the intelligence community and

00:08:06.380 the FBI, certainly to spy at will on any citizen. The bill you've sponsored is protection for the

00:08:18.300 Constitution and the citizens. And what they want is the ability to snuff out the Constitution

00:08:26.040 and our rights. It's that clear cut. I don't understand the ambiguity for Speaker Johnson. As a

00:08:33.600 matter of fact, it concerns me deeply that he would for a moment hesitate within the face of moral clarity

00:08:42.380 and this conflict, which side he would come down on, because this that's what this is.

00:08:49.120 Yeah, I agree with you. I could tell you what they've done to try to play him and and move him

00:08:55.460 to this kind of ambiguous position. And that is they've told him that without if they are required

00:09:01.960 to get a warrant, then then they will not be able to catch every terrorist activity that's going on.

00:09:08.320 And we will be attacked by terrorists. And he will be the one who gets blamed for American deaths on

00:09:15.860 American soil by radical Islamist terrorists or some other terrorist group. That's that's their selling 0.99

00:09:22.700 point. And if for some, it's compelling for me, it's it's weak and bogus.

00:09:29.140 Yes, it is. I'm on your side of it. And I'm as as per usual. And I am so delighted that you've got

00:09:38.280 bipartisan support for your legislation to protect the rights of American citizens. We're coming right

00:09:43.740 back with Congressman Andy Biggs. Please stay with us.

00:09:47.100 We're back with Congressman Andy Biggs. And Congressman, I want to turn just to stay just

00:09:58.100 a bit with the 702 and your legislation. Do you think there's any chance here that warrantless

00:10:06.660 surveillance has already achieved its aim, that they have spied on Speaker Johnson and have something

00:10:13.200 with which to blackmail him and the others in the Congress who really want to reauthorize

00:10:21.100 a corrupt FBI and DOJ and intelligence community so that they continue to spy and abuse their power

00:10:29.920 as public servants? Well, it's hard for me to say yes or no to that, except for to say that I've known

00:10:36.440 Mike Johnson. And I don't think to be frank with you, I don't think he has probably ever done anything

00:10:42.100 that would be blackmailable, extortionable. The others, I don't know. But with Mike Johnson,

00:10:48.140 I would say that's probably not the case. I think instead they've played to the one thing that

00:10:53.080 that plagues Mike and the Speaker is sometimes he's trying to he over analyzes things. And they've

00:11:01.280 played that and they've now said, you'll be the reason that we have this danger, Lou. And that's

00:11:06.720 that's that's that's my perception of this. It's not you know, I'm not I'm only basing it on what I

00:11:12.620 know of Mike and the others. I don't know them well enough to say, I mean, look, we've all done

00:11:20.880 stupid stuff. But I will tell you this, taking part of your first point, these guys have been buying 0.84

00:11:28.260 private databases to build these massive databases on every American. And so it isn't. So they say,

00:11:38.040 well, you know, we're just focusing on foreign people in foreign lands. But then why are you

00:11:42.640 buying up these massive amounts of databases and creating these massive databases?

00:11:47.520 Do you get an answer to that question?

00:11:50.300 No, no. They just say, well, it's it's for the security of the country. It's the it's the old Ben

00:11:56.460 Franklin argument, you know, you know, those who would choose security over liberty will have

00:12:02.720 neither and will deserve neither. I'm I'm distressed that the Speaker of the House

00:12:08.240 confronted with the choice between having a sense of security because of the ability to surveil foreign 0.53

00:12:18.080 citizens, that he would gladly throw away the rights of Americans not to have surveillance,

00:12:26.200 violence by our own government. It is this is an existential moment in time. It is the I think,

00:12:33.760 for this speaker, it is one of a moral issue, a moral choice that if he is as he is reported to be

00:12:44.220 a man of principle, morality and and God fearing, I can't imagine how you could take any other stand

00:12:52.980 than to protect the republic and to protect the American people at the same time and take

00:13:00.200 responsibility as it falls. It is the responsibility, irrespective of 702, for the FBI and these agencies

00:13:08.360 to perform. By the way, even with it, they haven't performed magnificently, I think is a fair statement.

00:13:13.860 So let's turn to now the impeachment inquiry. Where does the good speaker, apparently one of the most

00:13:21.720 confused people in Washington, D.C. right now, what does he what's his position on impeaching Joe Biden

00:13:28.900 right now? Well, I would say it's stronger toward impeachment than Mr. McCarthy's was. That's what I

00:13:36.820 that's the best I can give you. I mean, here's the deal. We're doing the impeachment inquiry vote.

00:13:42.200 I think we're my understanding is we're doing it this week. And then from there, over oversight,

00:13:49.980 which I sit on that committee, we're supposed to finish up our report post haste, get it to

00:13:55.040 judiciary. And early in January, judiciary is going to do the requisite hearings that through the process

00:14:03.300 we're supposed to do. And then if we have the votes and quite frankly, Lou, I don't know if we've

00:14:10.240 got the votes out of judiciary just because of where we sit. But if we have the votes,

00:14:16.300 I think it gets moved to the floor of the House for the impeachment vote.

00:14:21.520 We're going to take a quick break. Congressman, we'll be right back. We're talking with Congressman

00:14:25.900 Andy Biggs, the sponsor of the end warrantless surveillance by the deep state. I added that part

00:14:33.840 to his bill. We'll be right back. We're back with Congressman Andy Biggs. And as he referenced,

00:14:46.340 he is a member of the Judiciary Committee. The Judiciary Committee has a lot before it. You're

00:14:52.020 doing great work. You've amassed incredible evidence. I want you, if you would, to just give us a sense of

00:15:00.320 where you are and where you think the committee is, because it didn't sound like there was a

00:15:06.180 bipartisan issue right now for the committee. Yeah. So where I am is, I think we have between

00:15:13.560 the two committees that I sit on, we have more than amply shown bribery. And bribery does not

00:15:21.540 require that there be a definite tit for tat or quid pro quo where Joe Biden gets a million bucks

00:15:28.480 in exchange for telling the Ukrainians, you're not getting a billion dollars unless you fire 0.92

00:15:34.780 the guys, you know, looking into my son's company, whatever. If the family is receiving benefits

00:15:44.920 and Joe Biden is exchanging access or activity in exchange for that, then that's bribery. I mean,

00:15:55.360 that is, I mean, there's law on that point. He's committed bribery. I think he should be

00:16:01.860 impeached. I think we've known that for a long time. We just have had enough, we've had trouble.

00:16:06.500 So this gets to your second point about where's the committee. We've had trouble putting that,

00:16:10.760 putting, getting enough votes in our committee. Look, we can't even get our committee on the

00:16:15.700 Republican side to give everybody on a Republican side to say Mallorca should be impeached for Pete's

00:16:21.100 sake. So both of these guys should have been impeached, but we're short a little bit on the

00:16:25.300 votes. I understand that's why McCarthy didn't ever want to really go there because he wants a

00:16:30.580 unanimous vote. I don't blame him for wanting a unanimous vote. The Democrats are not going to

00:16:34.800 help us out at all. They do not care that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family

00:16:41.420 is utterly corrupt, that he was selling access, that he was leveraging U.S. taxpayer dollars to

00:16:47.620 protect his son, that millions of dollars was going into that family and being distributed

00:16:54.080 throughout the family. They just don't care. So it's up to us. And now, since they expelled

00:17:00.620 George Santos from the floor. And why did they do that, by the way? Why did they do that?

00:17:06.060 What was the, why would the Speaker of the House call that vote and not permit him due process,

00:17:12.860 especially at a time where you have such a thin majority?

00:17:17.060 The, the, the rules of the House allowed that to be brought by privilege. He's required to either,

00:17:23.040 he couldn't get the vote to sit in his committee. So he had to bring it to the floor. But what he,

00:17:28.260 my opinion, what should have happened is the Republican leadership should have whipped against

00:17:34.200 that. They should have said, no, we're going to whip against that. Please don't vote for this.

00:17:38.840 But they didn't. They didn't. And in so doing now.

00:17:42.980 And that is a Speaker decision. That's a Speaker decision, is it not?

00:17:46.840 On the whipping? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

00:17:49.740 So do we know, did he ever explain to the conference why he was taking what was a reckless

00:17:54.600 decision in the face of the slim majority and the denial of an individual, George Santos's

00:18:02.360 due process? I mean, how can the Republican party impeach people are breaking the law when they

00:18:09.040 themselves won't even afford one of their own members of the conference due process? It looks

00:18:14.760 awfully both naive and unprincipled. Right. And well, and I would say it's hypocritical,

00:18:22.420 right? On a certain point, right? We're always talking about due process. And then here's a guy 0.78

00:18:26.720 who didn't get due process yet. Now, hasn't gone through that. And yet you're going to toss him

00:18:31.640 out. And then in the meantime, the guy who did get due process, which is Jamal Bowman,

00:18:36.760 instead of tossing him out, you give him a do nothing censure resolution. I mean, so these are

00:18:42.560 the types of things that everything you and I have talked about, the 702, the impeachment, the now

00:18:51.340 putting ourselves in a numerical disadvantage. And then with Mr. McCarthy stepping down and retiring

00:18:57.440 by the end of this year, leaving Congress. So what that's done is, is, is, Lou, we're going to have

00:19:04.040 like a one or two margin, seat margin effectively. And so getting that impeachment requires unanimity

00:19:11.200 amongst the Republicans. And that's where being candid and truthful, we have trouble getting it out of

00:19:17.440 judiciary that way. And that means that we're going to have trouble getting it off the floor that way.

00:19:22.300 That's, that's what I'm telling you. And I appreciate you telling us and, and our audience,

00:19:28.600 the American people, we're left to a question is, in my opinion, and as we close, is Mike Johnson,

00:19:38.040 a Manchurian speaker? I mean, he is weak on 702, FISA. He's weak on continuing resolution.

00:19:49.200 He's weak on George Santos. And I, give me your sense. That's my straightforward question as we

00:19:56.980 conclude. So I don't think he's a Manchurian candidate. I think we can explain it far more

00:20:01.040 simply that he wakes up as a conservative every day, but has a tough time making the decisions and

00:20:09.920 the calls that would exemplify that conservative mantra. I do not understand the notion of let's

00:20:18.520 fight another day. Let's live to fight another day. At some point, you're facing an existential crisis

00:20:24.040 when all the institutions are controlled by the hard left and are economically, we're going off the

00:20:29.400 edge. Foreign policy wise, we're on the legend teetering over. And our border is wide open with

00:20:35.980 all these dangerous things. I find myself saying, you're going to have to make hard calls, hard

00:20:41.640 decisions and lead. You're going to have to do that. And I just, I'm not sure that, frankly, I'm not sure

00:20:50.520 that he can. Congressman, we thank you for your candor and your straightforwardness and your insight

00:20:56.900 and wisdom, as always. And keep up the fight. You're a great, a great representative for the

00:21:05.260 good people of Arizona and a great representative for how public service should be conducted, in my

00:21:12.380 opinion, if I may say that. And we appreciate you very much. Congressman Andy Biggs.

00:21:17.360 Thank you, Lou. Thanks. God bless you and your wife as well. Take care.

00:21:20.780 Thanks, everybody, for being with us here today. Our guest here tomorrow is Cornell Law Professor

00:21:26.320 William Jacobson. We'll be talking about anti-Semitism on America's college and university

00:21:32.400 campuses. And we'll take up the resignation of the UPenn president and what will happen to

00:21:38.440 Harvard's president. She's now not only being accused of being anti-Semitic, but also plagiarizing. 0.58

00:21:45.260 We'll take up where we go from here in America. Please join us each and every day for the Great

00:21:50.960 America Show. Thanks, everybody. God bless you and God bless America.

The Great America Show - December 12, 2023

JOHNSON SURRENDERS TO THE WATCHERS!

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