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Joe Biden's trip to the Middle East, Nikki Haley wants to bring in a million Palestinian refugees into the United States, House Speaker John McCarthy's ouster, and the battle for the Speakership of the House of Representatives.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dimes. Thanks for being with us. Welcome to the Great America
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Show. Puppet President Joe Biden heading to Israel to meet with Israeli Prime Minister
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Benjamin Netanyahu and the President of Egypt. With all that President Trump did to keep peace
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in the Middle East, including the Abraham Accords, it took Biden just half his presidency to undo
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it all. Over the weekend, Neocon Rhino presidential hopeful Nikki Haley was asked about bringing in
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a million Palestinian refugees, bringing them into the United States. Here she is.
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You know, I dealt with this every day for two years. And, you know, what I can tell you is you
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have to realize that whether we're talking about Gazans and Palestinians, you know, all of them don't,
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you've got half of them at the time that I was there, didn't want to be under Hamas's rule.
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They didn't want to have terrorists overseeing them. They knew that they were living a terrible
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life because of Hamas. You had the other half that supported Hamas and wanted to be a part of
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that. We see that with Iran, too. The Iranian people don't want to be under that Iranian regime.
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They don't. We saw what happened to Masa Amini. We saw how they treat them. There are so many of
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these people who want to be free from this terrorist rule. They want to be free from all
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of that. And America's always been sympathetic to the fact that you can separate civilians from
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terrorists. And that's what we have to do. Imagine that. Haley was never a foreign policy
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official. She was a spokeswoman at the United Nations for two years for President Trump. And now
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she wants to bring a million Palestinians into the United States. It's just it's outrageous.
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Not a single Arab state in the region will take in Palestinian refugees. You would think Haley and
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every other politician in the country would take note when the leader of a Muslim country says no
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to Gaza refugees. Take a listen to King Abdullah of Jordan when asked about bringing in Palestinian
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refugees into Jordan. Part of the question on the issues of refugees coming to Jordan,
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and I think I can quite strongly speak on behalf not only of Jordan as a nation, but of our friends
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in Egypt. That is a red line, because I think that is the plan by certain of the usual suspects
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to try and create de facto issues on the ground. No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.
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A leader who protects his country and his sovereignty. I wish we had a few more who would do the same.
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Turning now to the battle on Capitol Hill for the Speaker's office, House Judiciary Committee
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Chairman Jim Jordan fell short of the 217 votes needed to secure the speakership yesterday. As we
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expected, 20 RINOs voting against Jordan, mostly over their hurt feelings and resentment in reaction to
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McCarthy's ouster. McCarthy talking to reporters yesterday afternoon after the first vote,
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and he put the blame squarely on the eight Republicans who voted him out and the Dems'
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decision not to support him at all. Let's go back to how it got here. We wouldn't be here
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if every single Democrat didn't vote with eight Republicans to shut this place down.
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That's it. No Republicans voted against Jim Jordan today on the floor, including two votes from
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somebody who's not even a member anymore. Every single Democrat and eight Republicans voted to shut
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down one branch of government. That is why we're here today. There's no other reason why we're here
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today but because of that. Now we had a vote on the floor. It didn't get to the whole point. Now we'll
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take a break, talk to people, and come back and solve it. It's important to remember McCarthy's
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ouster wasn't personal. The eight members who ousted him did so only when he broke promises.
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And those 20 rhinos holding up Jordan today will soon come to understand, we hope,
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it's time for Speaker Jim Jordan after they get over their hurt feelings.
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We spoke with Congressman Bob Good of the Freedom Caucus last night after the first Speaker's vote
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to get his judgment on what is happening and when we will have a Speaker of the House,
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Here now is Congressman Bob Good, and Congressman, great as always to have you with us here.
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I know that this is a hectic time for you, and we appreciate you taking the time to be with us.
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Let's start with your assessment of where the Jordan speakership lies right now. Is it attainable?
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I think it is. I'm pleased that in the first vote today, after receiving 152 votes in Friday in the
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conference, in the second vote, today he got 200 votes, so that was tremendous improvement,
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nearly 50 vote improvement. You had 20 members, of course, vote against him, although I would
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suggest it really wasn't against Jim Jordan. There was other reasons why they were sort of
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lodging a protest vote, in my view. So I'm confident that he will get there. I hope it will be on the
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next ballot, but I'm confident that he'll make progress for however long it takes.
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I find it really strange, this group of, I guess, whatever you would call them, non-Jordan voters,
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we'll call them that at least. They're Republicans in Republican districts, for the most part,
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and they're behaving as if they were not, that they're on some sort of, you know, knife's edge
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district where it could go Republican or Democrat. That just isn't reflected in the numbers, is it?
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Well, I don't, I want to be clear that I don't begrudge them their right to vote however they
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want to, and that's not what you were saying. But, and so I respect that. I've certainly been
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in that position myself. But what I would say is very different than, say, January, when I was amongst
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those who were voting against now former Speaker McCarthy, it's very difficult to go on the House floor
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and vote against 90% of your party. That's not a comfortable position to be in. However, in January,
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we were voting against someone who, our base grassroots supporters, many of our constituents,
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the majority of feedback that we were getting was, hey, don't vote for Speaker McCarthy. Hang in there
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and fight. It's very different, I would submit, today. I would submit that they are largely hearing
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from the grassroots and the base and their constituents saying, please vote for Jim Jordan,
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who I would argue is the second most popular Republican in the country.
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And I would think you're right. I just want to go through a couple of names just for folks who
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are listening to us. Ken Buck, Republican of Colorado, in an R-plus-13 district.
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Kay Granger, Republican plus 12. Mike Kelly, Pennsylvania, Republican plus 13. Mike Simpson,
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Republican of Idaho, plus 14. Victoria Sparks, Indiana, Republican of 11. Steve Womack, plus 15.
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Who do these people, I mean, I get the protest, but to staunchly say that they're going to go
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against the party in those districts with those numbers is just stunning. It's stunning to me.
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Yeah, I don't understand the reasons for those votes, and obviously each member might have a
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different reason. Sure. And my hope would be that they have sort of registered their protest vote,
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whether it was, hey, they're upset that Speaker McCarthy got removed, or they're upset that Steve
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Scalif didn't have enough support, or maybe they have some sort of a personal issue with Speaker
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designate Jim Jordan, who I think is going to be our Speaker. And so my hope would be,
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as they see that he got 200 votes, as they hear from their constituents, that they will
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help us return to the action we need to take on the House floor, the Republican majority beginning
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to do what the voters elected us to do. And I say beginning to do under Speaker Jordan.
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And my hope would be that in the second vote, or very soon, in a short number of votes,
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that we'll go ahead and get that 217 that we're going to need for him to be officially
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Well, I'm for Jim Jordan, have been for a very long time. I think he's, to me,
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the finest example of Republican leadership in the House of Representatives. And I just can't
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imagine him not fighting. It's important for everybody to remember, Scalif, you know,
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folded up his hand and threw it in, just as McCarthy did. This could have been, could have
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persisted. I hope that Jim Jordan does not follow their lead and fights to the, you know,
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he is the obvious right person, don't you think?
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I do. And to your point about specifically Leader Scalise, when we had a vote in conference
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last week between Jordan and Scalise, Leader Scalise had 110 eligible voters. He had 113 because
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they allowed the three territory delegates who can't vote on the House floor for Speaker vote
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for him. But he had 110 to Jordan's 99. And Leader Scalise had the option of going to the floor
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for a vote and elected not to. Jim Jordan, on the other hand, got 124 votes the first time and then
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152 the second time and elected to take it to the House floor, which I thought was the right decision,
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and got 200 votes. So you feel the momentum, 124, 152, 200. And hopefully that will continue
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and we'll get them to 221 here, or that'd be unanimous Republicans, or 217 in short order.
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I know it's a difficult thing for you to go through a list of names and talk about what seems to be
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their motivation. And I won't ask you to do that if you want to volunteer. I'm certainly delighted to
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hear your views. But I just can't imagine this protest, as it seems to be for various reasons from
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members of the conference. I can't imagine it persisting. These are some of them are I will
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use one name. And that's Don Bacon. I mean, that man, he's got an ego problem beyond ego problems.
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And I've got nothing more to say about him. But the rest of them, for whatever reason,
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and Ken Buck, by the way, is just to me inexplicable. So there's two of them. I better
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not go too far into that list. But for the most part, it's a protest vote, it seems to be.
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Can they get past that kind of emotion and, I will say, pettiness and peak in a short order,
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for example, a second or third round of voting?
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I would hope so. I've heard very little in the way of public explanation from them on why they are
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opposed to Jim Jordan. Certainly, I've heard some expressions of disappointment or disapproval with
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those of us who voted to remove Speaker McCarthy two weeks ago, or those of us who didn't support
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Steve Scalise but supported Jim Jordan when there were the two candidates. So I've heard those
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expressions of disapproval or disappointment. However, now we have one candidate, Jim Jordan.
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He's got 200, hopefully more than 200 votes by the time we go again. So again, I respect their right
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to vote on the House floor. We all answer to our constituents. I would expect they're probably
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hearing from their constituents. I would expect those constituents are overwhelmingly telling
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them to vote for Jim Jordan. And so my hope would be that that's what they will do. And
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I'll leave it to them to explain the reasons for why they didn't vote for him the first time.
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And certainly, I don't want to do anything that might contribute to them digging in their
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heels. So I'll refrain from speculating on what their reasons might be and just hope that
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they will vote with the majority and with their constituents and help us elect Jim Jordan
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Yeah, I want to take as best I can. What I see is a really a protest vote. And once levied,
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that vote is, to me, over and done with. And I would hope that they come to both sentences
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and their sense of duty and responsibility, because the Republican Party has a real opportunity
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here to do great, great good for the Republic. We're talking with Congressman Bob Good. We're
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going to continue the conversation in one moment. Please stay with us. We'll be right back.
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We're back talking with Congressman Bob Good. And Congressman, let's let's turn to the issue
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of what are the I assume the most difficult decisions any representative has to make in
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the House. And that is when their own judgment on an issue or an event differs from the expression
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of the will of the people in their district. That seems to be the case here for the nearly all of
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these 20 who voted other. What is it? What does a congressman do in that situation? Because we're
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looking at really going against the will of the people for most of these recalcitrant representatives.
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Well, I would make a side point relative to what we were speaking a moment ago. If we were not to
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confirm Jim Jordan as speaker and to vote him in, the alternative, what is the alternative that
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they're voting for to start over with a fresh new opportunity for candidates to come forth and put
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their names in a hat and a vetting process, a whittling down process to see who can get something close
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to a 217 majority. I would submit that no one is going to get more than 200 votes if we were to try to do that,
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the 200 that Jim Jordan already has. So what they would be voting for is another week or two or more,
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of not having a speaker when many of these same members are the ones who said,
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hey, we've lost two weeks of time. We've got to get back to regular order. We've got to get back to
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passing our spending bills. We've got to get back to fighting for the American people. Certainly,
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I want to do that. And I think Speaker Jordan would be the right person to lead us to that effect.
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And every district's a little bit different, but I agree with your point that you made a moment ago that
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I would submit that certainly the majority of these 20, if not all of them, are hearing from their constituents,
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their voters, those who sent them to Washington, asking them, hey, why are you not supporting Jim
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Jordan? And please change your vote and support Jim Jordan. I would expect that is the case for
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the vast majority, if not all of those members.
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And give us your look into your crystal ball and tell us what you think will be the process
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going forward here, and the outcome of the next couple of rounds of voting.
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Well, I hope we'll have another vote soon. And I hope and expect that we'll show significant progress.
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And you'll begin to see these votes change and flip towards what will be hopefully Speaker Jordan
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here soon. And the momentum will just continue. I expect that will be the case. I certainly hope
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and pray that'll be the case. And I'll be doing everything I can to influence my colleagues
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accordingly. Well, is there anyone that 20 will listen to? If they won't listen to Jim Jordan,
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is my feeling, who in the world in the conference do they listen to?
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Well, no matter how independent we are, and no matter how courageous we are, and how resolved we are,
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we're all human. And we're all influenced by others. And we all can be influenced by pressure.
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And I can tell you from, again, having been there back in January, as folks begin to flip
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their votes and it begins to whittle down, you know, when we went from 20 who were voting in
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Speaker McCarthy down to six, you know, I realized at that point that there was no hope for victory
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in terms of denying him the speakership and that it was time to go ahead and flip our votes to
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press and to allow him to proceed. There was no reason to extend it unnecessarily when there were
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just six of us remaining. And so, I counseled my colleagues to join me in flipping our votes
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to press and so we could allow him to be voting as Speaker and then try to move forward together
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best we could. And we certainly did that for nine months. So, you know, we're all influenced
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by others. And so, I think there are colleagues who surround them who they're close to or who
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are overwhelmingly voting for Jim Jordan already, I think will influence them best.
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Well, a member of the, you know, the brave 20 and the brave six, you understand those pressures,
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but there is a huge difference. I think I have to, you know, bring forward here. And that is you,
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you all were making it very clear what you were fighting for, what you were holding out for. And
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that was democratization of the House of Representatives as somewhat conflicting as that language is.
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You were insisting on reform of the United States Congress, and particularly the 118th Congress.
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None of that seems to matter to these 20 who voted other. They're not fighting for something,
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they're fighting against something, which is a clear, straight path to a strong Republican party
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that can lead and put you on equal footing with the Senate with a known quality in terms of character
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I would largely agree with how you described it. It was frankly easy for us to sell and persuade
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and explain, if you will, our votes to our constituents who understood that we were fighting for them,
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we were fighting for something. We were fighting against the status quo. We were fighting against the establishment.
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We were fighting for transformational change, which was not represented with a Speaker McCarthy.
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I agree with you. I think it's much more difficult for these individuals to explain and defend their votes,
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their constituents, as to why they're against Jim Jordan and why they're against the only Republican candidate
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for Speaker that has the support of 200 members of the Republican Party at this moment.
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And importantly, amongst the 20 recalcitrants, not a single member of the of the brave six or the brave 20
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is in that group. And that should give them some pause, wouldn't you think?
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Well, I'm not sure if those if we're the ones who most influence these other 20 today,
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because we sort of come from a different perspective within the Republican conference.
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But but again, I think that there I think we're going to see that movement towards Jim Jordan.
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I think you're going to see soon elect him as Speaker and the country will be better off for it.
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The Republican Party will be better off for it. And our ability to fight the Biden agenda will be
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stronger as a result of having Jim Jordan as our Speaker. Couldn't agree more. Amen. Congressman Bob
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Good, we thank you for being with us here on The Great America Show. God bless you. Thank you. God bless you, Lou.
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