The Great America Show - October 18, 2023


JORDAN： CLEAR & PRESENT DANGER TO THE SWAMP


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Joe Biden's trip to the Middle East, Nikki Haley wants to bring in a million Palestinian refugees into the United States, House Speaker John McCarthy's ouster, and the battle for the Speakership of the House of Representatives.

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00:01:18.340 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dimes. Thanks for being with us. Welcome to the Great America
00:01:22.420 Show. Puppet President Joe Biden heading to Israel to meet with Israeli Prime Minister
00:01:27.900 Benjamin Netanyahu and the President of Egypt. With all that President Trump did to keep peace
00:01:35.160 in the Middle East, including the Abraham Accords, it took Biden just half his presidency to undo
00:01:41.000 it all. Over the weekend, Neocon Rhino presidential hopeful Nikki Haley was asked about bringing in
00:01:48.640 a million Palestinian refugees, bringing them into the United States. Here she is.
00:01:55.820 You know, I dealt with this every day for two years. And, you know, what I can tell you is you
00:02:01.200 have to realize that whether we're talking about Gazans and Palestinians, you know, all of them don't, 1.00
00:02:07.860 you've got half of them at the time that I was there, didn't want to be under Hamas's rule.
00:02:13.240 They didn't want to have terrorists overseeing them. They knew that they were living a terrible
00:02:17.600 life because of Hamas. You had the other half that supported Hamas and wanted to be a part of 0.95
00:02:22.400 that. We see that with Iran, too. The Iranian people don't want to be under that Iranian regime.
00:02:27.820 They don't. We saw what happened to Masa Amini. We saw how they treat them. There are so many of 0.97
00:02:33.560 these people who want to be free from this terrorist rule. They want to be free from all
00:02:38.100 of that. And America's always been sympathetic to the fact that you can separate civilians from 0.98
00:02:43.180 terrorists. And that's what we have to do. Imagine that. Haley was never a foreign policy
00:02:48.500 official. She was a spokeswoman at the United Nations for two years for President Trump. And now
00:02:55.300 she wants to bring a million Palestinians into the United States. It's just it's outrageous. 1.00
00:03:00.000 Not a single Arab state in the region will take in Palestinian refugees. You would think Haley and
00:03:07.620 every other politician in the country would take note when the leader of a Muslim country says no 0.99
00:03:13.720 to Gaza refugees. Take a listen to King Abdullah of Jordan when asked about bringing in Palestinian
00:03:21.420 refugees into Jordan. Part of the question on the issues of refugees coming to Jordan,
00:03:26.740 and I think I can quite strongly speak on behalf not only of Jordan as a nation, but of our friends
00:03:34.000 in Egypt. That is a red line, because I think that is the plan by certain of the usual suspects
00:03:39.260 to try and create de facto issues on the ground. No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.
00:03:46.080 A leader who protects his country and his sovereignty. I wish we had a few more who would do the same.
00:03:52.120 Turning now to the battle on Capitol Hill for the Speaker's office, House Judiciary Committee
00:03:58.360 Chairman Jim Jordan fell short of the 217 votes needed to secure the speakership yesterday. As we
00:04:05.600 expected, 20 RINOs voting against Jordan, mostly over their hurt feelings and resentment in reaction to
00:04:13.200 McCarthy's ouster. McCarthy talking to reporters yesterday afternoon after the first vote,
00:04:19.300 and he put the blame squarely on the eight Republicans who voted him out and the Dems'
00:04:25.540 decision not to support him at all. Let's go back to how it got here. We wouldn't be here
00:04:30.780 if every single Democrat didn't vote with eight Republicans to shut this place down. 0.84
00:04:35.720 That's it. No Republicans voted against Jim Jordan today on the floor, including two votes from
00:04:40.020 somebody who's not even a member anymore. Every single Democrat and eight Republicans voted to shut
00:04:45.420 down one branch of government. That is why we're here today. There's no other reason why we're here
00:04:49.900 today but because of that. Now we had a vote on the floor. It didn't get to the whole point. Now we'll
00:04:55.500 take a break, talk to people, and come back and solve it. It's important to remember McCarthy's
00:05:00.120 ouster wasn't personal. The eight members who ousted him did so only when he broke promises.
00:05:06.160 And those 20 rhinos holding up Jordan today will soon come to understand, we hope, 1.00
00:05:13.120 it's time for Speaker Jim Jordan after they get over their hurt feelings.
00:05:18.380 We spoke with Congressman Bob Good of the Freedom Caucus last night after the first Speaker's vote
00:05:23.660 to get his judgment on what is happening and when we will have a Speaker of the House,
00:05:28.960 and I certainly hope it will be Jim Jordan.
00:05:31.800 Here now is Congressman Bob Good, and Congressman, great as always to have you with us here.
00:05:37.560 I know that this is a hectic time for you, and we appreciate you taking the time to be with us.
00:05:42.960 Let's start with your assessment of where the Jordan speakership lies right now. Is it attainable?
00:05:48.820 I think it is. I'm pleased that in the first vote today, after receiving 152 votes in Friday in the
00:05:55.600 conference, in the second vote, today he got 200 votes, so that was tremendous improvement,
00:06:01.100 nearly 50 vote improvement. You had 20 members, of course, vote against him, although I would
00:06:06.420 suggest it really wasn't against Jim Jordan. There was other reasons why they were sort of
00:06:10.260 lodging a protest vote, in my view. So I'm confident that he will get there. I hope it will be on the
00:06:15.580 next ballot, but I'm confident that he'll make progress for however long it takes.
00:06:20.020 I find it really strange, this group of, I guess, whatever you would call them, non-Jordan voters, 1.00
00:06:31.720 we'll call them that at least. They're Republicans in Republican districts, for the most part,
00:06:38.960 and they're behaving as if they were not, that they're on some sort of, you know, knife's edge
00:06:46.800 district where it could go Republican or Democrat. That just isn't reflected in the numbers, is it?
00:06:54.400 Well, I don't, I want to be clear that I don't begrudge them their right to vote however they
00:06:58.540 want to, and that's not what you were saying. But, and so I respect that. I've certainly been
00:07:03.000 in that position myself. But what I would say is very different than, say, January, when I was amongst
00:07:08.980 those who were voting against now former Speaker McCarthy, it's very difficult to go on the House floor
00:07:15.620 and vote against 90% of your party. That's not a comfortable position to be in. However, in January,
00:07:22.520 we were voting against someone who, our base grassroots supporters, many of our constituents,
00:07:29.580 the majority of feedback that we were getting was, hey, don't vote for Speaker McCarthy. Hang in there
00:07:34.860 and fight. It's very different, I would submit, today. I would submit that they are largely hearing
00:07:41.040 from the grassroots and the base and their constituents saying, please vote for Jim Jordan,
00:07:44.940 who I would argue is the second most popular Republican in the country.
00:07:48.940 And I would think you're right. I just want to go through a couple of names just for folks who
00:07:54.420 are listening to us. Ken Buck, Republican of Colorado, in an R-plus-13 district.
00:08:02.240 Kay Granger, Republican plus 12. Mike Kelly, Pennsylvania, Republican plus 13. Mike Simpson,
00:08:11.700 Republican of Idaho, plus 14. Victoria Sparks, Indiana, Republican of 11. Steve Womack, plus 15.
00:08:20.740 Who do these people, I mean, I get the protest, but to staunchly say that they're going to go
00:08:27.420 against the party in those districts with those numbers is just stunning. It's stunning to me.
00:08:35.980 Yeah, I don't understand the reasons for those votes, and obviously each member might have a
00:08:41.540 different reason. Sure. And my hope would be that they have sort of registered their protest vote,
00:08:47.840 whether it was, hey, they're upset that Speaker McCarthy got removed, or they're upset that Steve
00:08:53.300 Scalif didn't have enough support, or maybe they have some sort of a personal issue with Speaker
00:08:59.000 designate Jim Jordan, who I think is going to be our Speaker. And so my hope would be,
00:09:03.840 as they see that he got 200 votes, as they hear from their constituents, that they will
00:09:08.580 help us return to the action we need to take on the House floor, the Republican majority beginning
00:09:14.560 to do what the voters elected us to do. And I say beginning to do under Speaker Jordan.
00:09:19.280 And my hope would be that in the second vote, or very soon, in a short number of votes,
00:09:24.540 that we'll go ahead and get that 217 that we're going to need for him to be officially
00:09:28.240 named Speaker, hopefully today.
00:09:30.320 Well, I'm for Jim Jordan, have been for a very long time. I think he's, to me,
00:09:36.280 the finest example of Republican leadership in the House of Representatives. And I just can't
00:09:42.780 imagine him not fighting. It's important for everybody to remember, Scalif, you know,
00:09:48.280 folded up his hand and threw it in, just as McCarthy did. This could have been, could have
00:09:55.720 persisted. I hope that Jim Jordan does not follow their lead and fights to the, you know,
00:10:02.680 he is the obvious right person, don't you think?
00:10:05.840 I do. And to your point about specifically Leader Scalise, when we had a vote in conference
00:10:11.380 last week between Jordan and Scalise, Leader Scalise had 110 eligible voters. He had 113 because
00:10:18.480 they allowed the three territory delegates who can't vote on the House floor for Speaker vote
00:10:23.500 for him. But he had 110 to Jordan's 99. And Leader Scalise had the option of going to the floor
00:10:29.580 for a vote and elected not to. Jim Jordan, on the other hand, got 124 votes the first time and then
00:10:39.960 152 the second time and elected to take it to the House floor, which I thought was the right decision,
00:10:45.320 and got 200 votes. So you feel the momentum, 124, 152, 200. And hopefully that will continue
00:10:52.280 and we'll get them to 221 here, or that'd be unanimous Republicans, or 217 in short order.
00:10:58.800 I know it's a difficult thing for you to go through a list of names and talk about what seems to be
00:11:03.860 their motivation. And I won't ask you to do that if you want to volunteer. I'm certainly delighted to
00:11:09.580 hear your views. But I just can't imagine this protest, as it seems to be for various reasons from
00:11:17.980 members of the conference. I can't imagine it persisting. These are some of them are I will
00:11:24.960 use one name. And that's Don Bacon. I mean, that man, he's got an ego problem beyond ego problems.
00:11:33.020 And I've got nothing more to say about him. But the rest of them, for whatever reason,
00:11:38.840 and Ken Buck, by the way, is just to me inexplicable. So there's two of them. I better
00:11:42.860 not go too far into that list. But for the most part, it's a protest vote, it seems to be.
00:11:49.680 Can they get past that kind of emotion and, I will say, pettiness and peak in a short order,
00:11:59.980 for example, a second or third round of voting?
00:12:02.740 I would hope so. I've heard very little in the way of public explanation from them on why they are
00:12:08.560 opposed to Jim Jordan. Certainly, I've heard some expressions of disappointment or disapproval with
00:12:14.880 those of us who voted to remove Speaker McCarthy two weeks ago, or those of us who didn't support
00:12:20.740 Steve Scalise but supported Jim Jordan when there were the two candidates. So I've heard those
00:12:25.340 expressions of disapproval or disappointment. However, now we have one candidate, Jim Jordan.
00:12:30.340 He's got 200, hopefully more than 200 votes by the time we go again. So again, I respect their right
00:12:36.560 to vote on the House floor. We all answer to our constituents. I would expect they're probably
00:12:41.300 hearing from their constituents. I would expect those constituents are overwhelmingly telling
00:12:45.640 them to vote for Jim Jordan. And so my hope would be that that's what they will do. And
00:12:50.940 I'll leave it to them to explain the reasons for why they didn't vote for him the first time.
00:12:56.620 And certainly, I don't want to do anything that might contribute to them digging in their
00:12:59.320 heels. So I'll refrain from speculating on what their reasons might be and just hope that
00:13:03.820 they will vote with the majority and with their constituents and help us elect Jim Jordan
00:13:07.620 Speaker.
00:13:08.240 Yeah, I want to take as best I can. What I see is a really a protest vote. And once levied,
00:13:19.280 that vote is, to me, over and done with. And I would hope that they come to both sentences
00:13:25.360 and their sense of duty and responsibility, because the Republican Party has a real opportunity
00:13:33.460 here to do great, great good for the Republic. We're talking with Congressman Bob Good. We're
00:13:39.900 going to continue the conversation in one moment. Please stay with us. We'll be right back.
00:13:44.860 We're back talking with Congressman Bob Good. And Congressman, let's let's turn to the issue
00:13:57.100 of what are the I assume the most difficult decisions any representative has to make in
00:14:03.320 the House. And that is when their own judgment on an issue or an event differs from the expression
00:14:10.660 of the will of the people in their district. That seems to be the case here for the nearly all of
00:14:17.020 these 20 who voted other. What is it? What does a congressman do in that situation? Because we're
00:14:24.960 looking at really going against the will of the people for most of these recalcitrant representatives.
00:14:33.880 Well, I would make a side point relative to what we were speaking a moment ago. If we were not to
00:14:39.760 confirm Jim Jordan as speaker and to vote him in, the alternative, what is the alternative that
00:14:44.220 they're voting for to start over with a fresh new opportunity for candidates to come forth and put
00:14:51.540 their names in a hat and a vetting process, a whittling down process to see who can get something close
00:14:57.280 to a 217 majority. I would submit that no one is going to get more than 200 votes if we were to try to do that,
00:15:04.420 the 200 that Jim Jordan already has. So what they would be voting for is another week or two or more,
00:15:09.740 of not having a speaker when many of these same members are the ones who said,
00:15:13.880 hey, we've lost two weeks of time. We've got to get back to regular order. We've got to get back to
00:15:17.700 passing our spending bills. We've got to get back to fighting for the American people. Certainly,
00:15:20.900 I want to do that. And I think Speaker Jordan would be the right person to lead us to that effect.
00:15:26.260 And every district's a little bit different, but I agree with your point that you made a moment ago that
00:15:31.700 I would submit that certainly the majority of these 20, if not all of them, are hearing from their constituents,
00:15:37.520 their voters, those who sent them to Washington, asking them, hey, why are you not supporting Jim
00:15:42.220 Jordan? And please change your vote and support Jim Jordan. I would expect that is the case for
00:15:47.640 the vast majority, if not all of those members.
00:15:51.060 And give us your look into your crystal ball and tell us what you think will be the process
00:15:57.680 going forward here, and the outcome of the next couple of rounds of voting.
00:16:04.040 Well, I hope we'll have another vote soon. And I hope and expect that we'll show significant progress.
00:16:11.520 And you'll begin to see these votes change and flip towards what will be hopefully Speaker Jordan
00:16:17.500 here soon. And the momentum will just continue. I expect that will be the case. I certainly hope
00:16:22.560 and pray that'll be the case. And I'll be doing everything I can to influence my colleagues
00:16:25.680 accordingly. Well, is there anyone that 20 will listen to? If they won't listen to Jim Jordan,
00:16:32.900 is my feeling, who in the world in the conference do they listen to?
00:16:37.980 Well, no matter how independent we are, and no matter how courageous we are, and how resolved we are,
00:16:45.880 we're all human. And we're all influenced by others. And we all can be influenced by pressure.
00:16:51.100 And I can tell you from, again, having been there back in January, as folks begin to flip
00:16:57.580 their votes and it begins to whittle down, you know, when we went from 20 who were voting in
00:17:02.100 Speaker McCarthy down to six, you know, I realized at that point that there was no hope for victory
00:17:08.340 in terms of denying him the speakership and that it was time to go ahead and flip our votes to
00:17:13.100 press and to allow him to proceed. There was no reason to extend it unnecessarily when there were
00:17:16.740 just six of us remaining. And so, I counseled my colleagues to join me in flipping our votes
00:17:21.380 to press and so we could allow him to be voting as Speaker and then try to move forward together
00:17:24.600 best we could. And we certainly did that for nine months. So, you know, we're all influenced
00:17:28.320 by others. And so, I think there are colleagues who surround them who they're close to or who
00:17:33.020 are overwhelmingly voting for Jim Jordan already, I think will influence them best.
00:17:36.960 Well, a member of the, you know, the brave 20 and the brave six, you understand those pressures,
00:17:44.900 but there is a huge difference. I think I have to, you know, bring forward here. And that is you,
00:17:51.200 you all were making it very clear what you were fighting for, what you were holding out for. And
00:17:57.540 that was democratization of the House of Representatives as somewhat conflicting as that language is.
00:18:04.880 You were insisting on reform of the United States Congress, and particularly the 118th Congress.
00:18:14.400 None of that seems to matter to these 20 who voted other. They're not fighting for something,
00:18:21.800 they're fighting against something, which is a clear, straight path to a strong Republican party
00:18:28.720 that can lead and put you on equal footing with the Senate with a known quality in terms of character
00:18:37.120 and leadership in Jim Jordan.
00:18:39.920 I would largely agree with how you described it. It was frankly easy for us to sell and persuade
00:18:46.640 and explain, if you will, our votes to our constituents who understood that we were fighting for them,
00:18:53.040 we were fighting for something. We were fighting against the status quo. We were fighting against the establishment.
00:18:57.440 We were fighting for transformational change, which was not represented with a Speaker McCarthy.
00:19:03.280 I agree with you. I think it's much more difficult for these individuals to explain and defend their votes,
00:19:10.080 their constituents, as to why they're against Jim Jordan and why they're against the only Republican candidate
00:19:17.040 for Speaker that has the support of 200 members of the Republican Party at this moment.
00:19:23.120 And importantly, amongst the 20 recalcitrants, not a single member of the of the brave six or the brave 20
00:19:32.640 is in that group. And that should give them some pause, wouldn't you think?
00:19:37.040 Well, I'm not sure if those if we're the ones who most influence these other 20 today,
00:19:41.760 because we sort of come from a different perspective within the Republican conference.
00:19:45.040 But but again, I think that there I think we're going to see that movement towards Jim Jordan.
00:19:50.560 I think you're going to see soon elect him as Speaker and the country will be better off for it.
00:19:56.000 The Republican Party will be better off for it. And our ability to fight the Biden agenda will be
00:20:01.280 stronger as a result of having Jim Jordan as our Speaker. Couldn't agree more. Amen. Congressman Bob
00:20:06.720 Good, we thank you for being with us here on The Great America Show. God bless you. Thank you. God bless you, Lou.
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