JORDAN: IS BIDEN OBSTRUCTING CONGRESS?
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Today, President Trump takes the stand in a New York courtroom in a $250 million lawsuit against the Trump Organization. A Marxist hack judge has already ruled that Trump is guilty based on his pure hatred of President Trump. The numbers don t lie.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show and great to have you
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with us. We're 365 days from what will be, in my opinion, the most important day in modern
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American history. 365 days from Election Day 2024, a day that will, in my view, determine
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whether our constitutional republic survives. The presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump,
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faces off against the incumbent President Joe Biden. President Trump has a convincing lead in
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the national polls against Biden, a huge lead over Biden in the battleground states. And here's how
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strong President Trump is running in those battleground states in a New York Times poll
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just out. Nevada, Trump leading Biden by 10 points. Georgia, leading by 6 points. Arizona,
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Trump leading by 5 points. Michigan, Trump leading by 5 points again. And in Pennsylvania, Trump leading
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by 4 points. And lastly, in Wisconsin, President Trump is trailing Biden by only 2 points inside the
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margin of error. Top Dem strategist and former Obama advisor David Axelrod reacting to these latest polls
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by calling for Biden to abandon his dreams of a second term. Axelrod tweeted, quote,
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The greatest concern is that his biggest liability is the one thing he can't change. Among all the
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unpredictables, there is one thing that is sure. The age arrow only points in one direction. Only Joe
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Biden can make this decision. If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party.
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What he needs to decide is whether that is wise, whether it's in his best interest or the country's.
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The Marxists who are running the Democrat Party are desperate now. This latest polling only adding
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to their desperation and further motivating their interference with this election as they try to
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stop President Trump any way they can. Yesterday, President Trump was in a New York courtroom on the
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witness stand testifying before Marxist M. Judge Arthur Ingeron and George Soros backed Attorney General
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Letitia James watching over it all. Trump took the stand in the state's $250 million lawsuit against the
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Trump Organization, where they're also seeking to bar President Trump from ever doing business in New York
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again. The Marxist Dem hack judge has already ruled just based on his pure hatred of Trump that he's guilty.
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This headline from the Daily Mail says it all on how the day in court went.
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Trump attorney Alina Habba tears in to the unhinged New York fraud trial judge and accuses him of trying
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to silence the ex-president. Says she won't tolerate his behavior after he went red in the face and
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Wow. Here is that attorney Alina Habba on the corrupt conduct of this judge in court.
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Coming from the judge who has already predetermined that my client committed fraud before we even walked
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into this courtroom. I'm not here to hear what he has to say. Then why exactly am I being paid as an attorney and
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why exactly are taxpayer dollars being used in this courtroom? The answer is very clear because Miss
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James wants to stand right here like she did this morning and call my client a liar, call the company
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fraudulent and make a name for herself. She said this morning that the numbers don't lie and they won't
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lie in this case. Well, Miss James, I have a message for you. The numbers didn't lie when you ran for
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governor and that's why you dropped out. And the numbers don't lie when President Trump runs for office
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in 2024. And those numbers are loud and clear. This country is falling apart. And if we don't stop
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corruption in courtrooms where attorneys are gagged, where attorneys are not allowed to say what they
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need to say to protect their clients' interests, it doesn't matter what your politics are. Everyone
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has a right in this country to get up and put a defense. I don't care who you are. You have a right
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to hire a lawyer who can put objections on the record. You have a right to hire a lawyer who can
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stand up and say something when they see something wrong. But I was told to sit down today.
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I was yelled at and I've had a judge who is unhinged slamming a table. Let me be very clear.
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I don't tolerate that in my life. I'm not going to tolerate it here. Alina Habba fired up as she
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should be defending President Trump against these scurrilous charges. Trump's other attorney,
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Chris Keist, says the case should be all wrapped up by the 15th of December. While President Trump is
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battling the Marxist-dimmed persecution on so many fronts, Joe Biden and his crime family are doing
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all they can to dodge prosecution at all. Hunter Biden's special counsel, David Weiss, in a closed-door
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transcribed interview today with House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan and the full committee,
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and he will be forced to answer difficult questions on why he has done all he could, all in his power,
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to protect the Biden crime family regardless of the mounting evidence and obvious crimes.
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Our guest today is the man leading that investigation, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a
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great American, Congressman Jim Jordan. Mr. Chairman, great to have you with us. Let's, if we may, begin
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with all that you expect from the U.S. Attorney and Special Counsel, David Weiss.
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Well, yeah, we got him coming this week. So remember, David Weiss initially told us in a
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letter to me back in June, I think it was June 7th, he said that he had ultimate authority to
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determine when, where, and whether to file charges against Hunter Biden. And then 10 days later,
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or excuse me, about 20 days later, he changes his story in another letter to me where he indicates
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that, well, actually that wasn't quite accurate. He's limited by what he's partnering with other U.S.
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attorneys. And then he further clarifies things on July 10th in a letter to Senator Graham,
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where he takes a third position and says that, he said, well, you know, I don't, I haven't sought
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special counsel status, but I've had discussions with the, with the Attorney General, with the
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Justice Department. So three different stories in, I guess it's about 33 day time period. And as I
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pointed out in the public hearing a few months back, when we had Mr. Shapley and Mr. Ziegler,
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the IRS whistleblowers, I said, the White House position on this whole thing has changed multiple
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times. What, what information Joe Biden had, what involvement he had with his son's business.
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I said, the Justice Department's position has changed multiple times, three times in 33 days.
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But the position that hasn't changed has been the whistleblowers. Their testimony has been
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consistent. It has not wavered. It stood up to cross-examination from the Democrats in the,
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in the, uh, oversight committee. Mr. Ziegler, and every witness we've deposed,
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we've deposed a number now in the Judiciary Committee. Uh, they've all confirmed, just
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further confirmed what Mr. Shapley and Mr. Ziegler told us about how bad this investigation
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by Mr. Weiss was run. So tomorrow we're going to get a chance to talk to Mr. Weiss and ask
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him some pretty, uh, some pretty pointed questions.
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His position has changed. The statements have changed. Uh, and across all of this, it looks
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like a rigged, uh, corrupt process again, uh, on the part of the Department of Justice.
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Yeah. Never forget that they tried to get the sweetheart deal past the judge. God bless Judge
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Marika. She, she said no to it. She saw through it, saw something that was never been done.
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Even the, even the government lawyers, when, when she asked him at the hearing,
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is there any precedent for this? No, Your Honor, there isn't, was their response.
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So, uh, they tried to get that. It was slow walked, according to Shapley and Ziegler,
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all kinds of things, tipping off the defense council when they were looking to issue a search
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warrant and search the storage unit where Hunter Biden stored much of his material from his business.
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So all kinds of things that were out of the order. The thing that I think gets me the most is
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the tax years, 2014, 2015, that they let the statute of limitations expire for because those were,
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in my judgment, they did that because those were the tax years that dealt with the income from
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Burisma. And I still think the, the, the real heart of this matter is four facts around the
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Burisma issue. Hunter Biden was put on the board of Burisma fact. Number one, fact number two,
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he wasn't qualified to be on the board. All he had to offer was the quote brand. According to Devin
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Archer and his deposition, Hunter Biden's business partner talked about fact. Number three,
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the Burisma executives asked Hunter Biden to relieve the pressure they were under from the prosecutor.
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Fact number four, Joe Biden goes to Ukraine, starts the process and completes the process of getting
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that prosecutor fired and uses a billion dollars of American tax money to leverage that all to happen.
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Those four essential facts, I think show what was going on here. Hunter Biden was making money to get
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certain, certain outcomes that, that his, that his dad, then vice president could, could influence.
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And that's exactly what happened. And the final thing is the 1023 form where this confidential human
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source talked about what was going on with the Biden's and Burisma, that, that information is
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confirmed by the actions I just described. So, so what took place is entirely consistent with what the
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confidential human source told, told the FBI. And we ultimately got to see that when we got Chris
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ready to finally give us that information, you know, and as you're talking about Burisma, the White
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House over the weekend, again, changing its story because the story is changing for the, for the
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principal that is President Biden, who has been adamant over the course of time that he did not have a
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meeting with Burisma officials that did not. And now the White House is changing. The Biden attorneys
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are changing the story. And I don't know if they're keeping up with the three in your, that you're
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referring to, but it's got to be at least two or three instances in terms of, of that as well.
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Yeah. He said he had no involvement and we find out he had dinners with Hunter Biden's business
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partners and clients. He said he made, he had no involvement yet. We found that he was in a participant
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in many numerous phone calls. Devin Archer testified that it was 20 phone calls that Joe Biden was,
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was a part of. So dinners, meetings, phone calls, all stuff that Joe Biden said were not,
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that he wasn't involved with, that now we know that he was. So you have the false representation
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coming from, from the president himself about his involvement with the company. You have that
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false representations coming from his staff who've said things and then had to subsequently
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change that, that, that, those things. And now of course you have these checks that Mr. Comer has,
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as by subpoena and bank records has now found out these quote loan repayments,
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a $200,000 from, and in one, and then a $40,000 check in another that we're, we're looking into as
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well. And the investigation goes on and the evidence mounts. I have to ask you first about David Weiss,
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will he be under oath? Oh yeah. Yeah. Now he's going to try to limit his answers. I think
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to dealing with this whole issue of what authority he ultimately had. But we were, we're going to ask
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him about that. Of course, there's some other questions that we think are important that we're
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going to, we're going to press him on as well. Specifically, some of the things that we learned
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from some of the other U S attorneys who we've already deposed, we've deposed the U S attorney from
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the Western district of Pennsylvania. We've deposed the U S attorney from DC and the U S attorney from
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the central district of California, as well as agents who were on the case, FBI agents who were
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on the case, the tax, the head of the department of justice tax lawyer who was on the case. We've
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talked to all of them. So we'll look at what they've said and then be able to use that as, as the basis
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for questions for Mr. Weiss as well. We're talking with chairman, Jim Jordan, chairman of the house
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judiciary committee. We'll be right back after this quick pause. Please stay with us.
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We're back with chairman, Jim Jordan. And Mr. Chairman, the, the instance of the inquiry, the, the impeachment
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inquiry, it looks like it's at a, an inflection point. Do you have a sense of when the judiciary
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committee might take over the lead on impeachment of president Joe Biden?
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Well, I understand from, from the start, when, when speaker McCarthy announced that we were moving
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into the inquiry phase of, of, of our oversight, um, you have three committees involved. You've got
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the ways and means committee who continues to deal with information brought to them by Mr. Shapley,
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Mr. Ziegler, the, the IRS whistleblowers. Uh, you have the oversight committee, Mr. Comer and his
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committee who are looking at the bank records of specific activity reports and following that.
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And then you have our committee, which is looking at how the investigation was handled. Um,
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the, you know, the, the unusual way to be kind, the, the, the, the way the investigation was handled
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into Hunter Biden, um, over the last five years. So we're, we're each doing our, our, those
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investigations at some point that will come together. Now, Mr. Comer, there are still a number of people
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that he needs to, to bring in for interviews and depositions. I mean, you got Hunter Biden,
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you got James Biden, you got, you got other business partners, Mr. Galar, Mr. Sherwin, other business
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partners of Hunter Biden. You got the guy who paid Hunter Biden's taxes for goodness sake,
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just out of the goodness of his heart. I'm going to pay $2 million of Hunter Biden's back taxes.
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We need, I think we need to talk to that people. We got people who bought his art. So the number of
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people I think that, that Mr. Comer wants to interview, and we still have, even though we've
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done a lot of depositions and interviews, we still have more people we want to talk to. So we need to
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move through that as quickly as possible. And then at that point, bring all the evidence together
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and see if that warrants, in fact, moving to actual articles of impeachment. And that's exactly how
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we're going to do it, because that's the way the Constitution requires us to do it. Unlike the way
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the Democrats treated President Trump, we're doing this the way that we think is entirely consistent
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with the United States Constitution. Speaking candidly and objectively, as I possibly can,
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the evidence that you all have put together right now,
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the stench of corruption reeks even in the swamp. And that should be, I would think that that would
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be enough to begin a charge of impeachment, because you're not proving a case, but you are demonstrating
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that there is, there's much here that merits an impeachment.
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Yeah, and I do think that still the most compelling is what I described, those four central facts about
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Burisma. When that pressure, when the Burisma executives tell Hunter Biden and his partner,
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Devin Archer, we're under pressure, we need help, immediately there's a call placed to D.C.
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And Devin Archer in his deposition said that call was to Joe Biden, he thought. And then five days
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later, Joe Biden goes and changes the policy of our country, because the State Department,
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the European Union had approved, they had said good things about the prosecutor and the change
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that was happening with the prosecutor general in Ukraine. But they abruptly changed 180 degree
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change. And there's even a story in the Washington Post that talks about Joe Biden made it called an
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audible on the plane ride over. So what prompted him to change policy and call the audible and say,
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no, we're going to require we're going to hold up the money until we get the policy outcome we want,
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namely the firing of this Mr. Shokin, this prosecutor. The only thing that you can point to is the call
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he got five days earlier from his from his son at the prompting of the Burisma executives.
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Let me let me ask you this. How soon will we see? Will you be subpoenaing the Bidens themselves?
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Yeah, yeah, that's Mr. Comer is Jamie is wants to move in that direction. Now that now that we're
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beginning to get business records and bank records in, he wants to move in that direction. But I do
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think it's important that you talk to all of Hunter Biden's business partners, the guy who's paid his
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taxes as another one, I think that that's important to talk to some of the individuals who purchased his
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art and dealt with his art. I think all those people need to be talked to just ASAP. And then you bring
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in James Biden and Hunter Biden. I love Tony Bobulinski, a former business partner of the
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Bidens. He issued a direct challenge to the Bidens. Why don't you come on down and we'll all
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testify at the same time before the for the U.S. Congress. What did you think of that idea?
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Well, I mean, look, we need to get done as soon as possible. I don't know if that would quite work,
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but I like the idea of getting folks in as quickly as we can and getting information
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to the American people. So as we look at all that's going on, I talked with Chairman Comer about
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this as well. Do you believe that your committee is under surveillance by NSA, by the Department of
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Justice and the FBI? The House Intelligence Committee has been, we know, for some time.
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The outrage is there, but the facts are, too. Will there be a consequence?
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Well, we actually wrote that letter a week and a half ago asking that very question. We want to
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know, in light of what Senator Grassley's staff or former staffer reported that the Justice Department
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was was looking at his phone records and his email records. We think it's important to know anyone
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and everyone on Capitol Hill staff and or members who may have made the same thing may have happened
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to them. So we're trying to find all that out. That's why we've written them. And we want to get
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the answers to those those important questions, because what a chilling effect that would have on
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on oversight and on the Constitution and such a violation of just fundamental liberty.
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So, yeah, we want to know that and find out because we know it happened with some of Devin
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Nunes's staff when he was chairing the Intel Committee several years ago. And now we know
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it happened to a top staffer for Senator Grassley. We want to know if it goes any further.
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Yeah. And I would just remind the audience, I mean, we can go back to John Brennan,
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as director of the CIA and in the time in which he was spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee. So
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it seems if they aren't spying on you, you would be one of the rare exceptions
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for our intelligence agencies. Gary. Yeah. We're talking with Chairman Jim Jordan
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of the Judiciary Committee. We're coming right back. Please stay with us.
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We're back. We're talking with Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan. Mr. Chairman, let me ask you this,
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because the politics of this is obvious and important and critical in point of fact,
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as well as the process and the investigation itself. You have a new speaker, Mike Johnson.
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Give us a sense of what influence that has and what it means to your committee and the other
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investigating committees in terms of pursuing truth. Well, first of all, Mike Johnson is just
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a good man, solid man, Christian man, the kind of guy I think you want in that position and off to a
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great start. I think he's going to do good things for the country. But he comes from a background on the
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Judiciary Committee, a great member on the Select Committee on the Weaponization of Government,
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has just done outstanding work for us, chaired the Constitution Subcommittee, Critical Subcommittee,
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protecting the rights and liberties of the American people. So Mike is a good guy. I know he understands
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the importance of the investigative work, our oversight work that we do here in Congress,
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and has been nothing but supportive in his time as speaker. And of course,
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you know, he's the guy who's argued cases in front of the United States Supreme Court.
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This is a true constitutional scholar. So we're excited about Mike's work and we know he's going
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to be supportive of the work we're doing. Give us your sense of what it's going to take,
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because there's obviously a faction of quote unquote moderates or rhinos within the Republican
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Conference in the House. And it's clear that they're also reticent, reluctant, perhaps dug in
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in opposition to impeachment of Joe Biden. Give us a sense of the politics and the way forward
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with them to to move toward impeachment, if that ultimately is your judgment.
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It's all about the facts and presenting the facts in a in a compelling, succinct manner so that the
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American people can get it. But also, of course, our Republican colleagues. And frankly, I would
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hope some Democrat colleagues. I mean, when you lay this out, we always use this comparison,
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but it's so true. Imagine if if any of the Trump children were engaged in the kind of behavior
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Hunter Biden was engaged in, the business dealings he was engaged in with the type of people he was
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engaged in, you know, all from Romania, Russia, Ukraine, China. I mean, imagine what what that
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what the outcome would be from the mainstream press are Democrats. So I think it's just about
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presenting the facts in a in a in a succinct, compelling way. As we gather them and then putting
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them all together and presenting that to our colleagues, that will drive everything as well
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it should, because as Speaker Johnson said the other night, next to the power of declaring war,
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this is this is some of the most serious power that the the House of Representatives has.
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And we should view it in that in that context and be very deliberate about getting the facts on the
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table. But if the facts warrant, then we should move ahead. And here we are in the 11th month of the
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118th Congress. Deliberate, thorough seems to me to to be absolutely appropriate adjectives for your
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investigation. Give us give us a sense. And if you can, how soon we should expect a decision on the
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part of the Judiciary Committee, Oversight Ways and Means, the Weaponization Committee and moving to the
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Speaker's office to go ahead with impeachment. Well, it's gonna be driven by how soon we get
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these guys in. I know Chairman Comer has indicated he's going to issue subpoenas ASAP on a number of
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those people I talked about that that I think are important to bring in all the business partners.
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Some of the people who dealt with Hunter Biden's artwork, some of the people even with the National
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Archives Association relative to the to the, you know, to the classified documents issue.
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And then there are also, of course, the guy who, as I said, paid off on a Biden's tax tax bill.
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And then ultimately, Hunter Biden and James Biden. So those are the ones that that are on the list
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for the Oversight Committee. And then, of course, our committee, we continue to have Leslie Wolf,
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the key assistant U.S. attorney in David Weiss's office, who handled most of the Hunter Biden
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investigation. We want to talk to her. There are two other attorneys that we want to talk to.
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And then, of course, we have David Weiss this week.
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And what would you make of the Biden's efforts? Because they say they're not going to turn over to
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the Oversight Committee any of the records that the committee and Chairman Comer requested the
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principally loan documents. It looks like they're trying to run out the clock.
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At what point would you say they'd succeeded if the investigation goes to that undefined point?
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Right. Well, I mean, you know, we'll see. But in past impeachment inquiries,
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when you had the administration not comply with with records that, frankly, the Congress
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should have had access to, in some cases that became the basis for an obstruction charge.
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I'm not saying we're going to go there, but that's that's a that's a real, I think, real issue, real concern.
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So, you know, there's there's the idea that right now the Biden family,
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you know, got a lot of money. And did Joe Biden take certain actions for that to happen?
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It looks like that was the case with Burisma. As I said in a committee hearing, it's a tale as old
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as time. A politician takes certain actions and his family benefits financially from those actions.
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That looks like what happened with with the situation with this company, Burisma,
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and the actions Joe Biden took with the loan guarantee money from from the American taxpayers.
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So we're going to we're going to dig into all that. But, yeah, it could be you're you're preventing
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Congress from having something that's not supposed to be how this operation works.
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Well, and I don't suppose that it's how the National Archives should operate either.
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Turning over 14 emails from the alias batch, some 82,000 of them that they hold.
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They respond arrogantly. And I think with a bit of a thumb of their nose to the to the oversight committee,
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giving 14 memos up at what point does obstruction reach to federal agencies that should be cooperative
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with the oversight committees? Yeah, fair question. And something that I think we'll
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we'll we'll continue to explore as we as we as we gather the facts here over the next several weeks.
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I'm going to if I may give you the last word here. We always give our guests the opportunity for the
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last word. And so if if you would, Mr. Chairman, your concluding thoughts here today as we wrap up.
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Well, I think the big thing is I think Mike Johnson's a good man and is going to do a good job
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and understand the importance of oversight, the oversight that we're doing in the three committees
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as part of this impeachment inquiry. Our job now is to just continue to press ahead, do it as quickly
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as possible, but do it in a thorough way in a way that's consistent with the Constitution.
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And that's exactly what we're going to do. Chairman Jim Jordan, as always, thanks so much
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for being with us. And we appreciate your time and your and your insight. Thanks so much.
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Thanks, Father. Thanks for your good work, Lou. Take care.
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Chairman Jim Jordan, God bless you and Godspeed. I want to return here to Trump attorney Alina
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Habba's defense of President Trump. Here is the outraged Alina Habba after President Trump testified
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telling the judge and the attorney general that they went after the wrong man to be their victim
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in Donald Trump. Your star witness, along with all the DAs and corrupt AGs,
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need to be paying attention to what happens when you let us take the stand. When you let my client
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speak the truth and the judge can tell me to sit down and he can try and shorten my client's testimony,
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but it is loud and clear. They've got nothing. They've got nothing but their politics. She's
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got nothing but her Soros backing, which we discovered recently. And I am sick and tired
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of seeing it. Pay attention, America. Pay attention. Because when you're in court one of these days,
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and you don't have a lawyer that has a microphone, and you don't have a lawyer that can go on TV,
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and you've got judges gagging them, what are you going to do? We need to fix this country.
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And we need to stop what is happening in this courtroom. President Trump is worth a lot more,
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and she wasn't ready for it. She doesn't understand it. And before she rushed to judgment,
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she should have thought about attacking somebody with over 50 years of real estate expertise who
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changed single-handedly the skyline of New York City. She picked the wrong person,
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and her politics will fail for it. Thanks, everybody, for being with us. Join us here
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tomorrow when our guest is Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson. We'll be talking about the
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Marxist-dim spread of anti-Semitism that has become the scourge that is destroying universities and
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colleges all across this country. Please join us for that and more tomorrow, and join us each and
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every day. Thanks, everybody. God bless you, and may God bless America.