The Great America Show - JUDICIARY CHAIR JORDAN SAYS WE NOW KNOW THE FBI HAS RETALIATED AGAINST FBI WHISTLEBLOWERS FOR TALKING TO REPUBLICANS

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. It's great to have you with

00:00:04.920 us in these days of bright, shiny hope and also days of scandal and political upheaval in the

00:00:10.960 White House. On Capitol Hill, conflict is simmering. Dimms are seething as the Republicans

00:00:17.300 who control the 118th Congress ready what will be a broadside of investigations into the Biden

00:00:24.020 presidency and the widespread corruption of the Marxist dims who've risen to power throughout

00:00:30.180 the Department of Justice and FBI, the intelligence agencies and much, if not in fact, most of our

00:00:37.020 federal government. And to deal with this vast investigation, Congressman Jim Jordan, chairman

00:00:43.320 of the House Judiciary Committee, he'll be leading the subcommittee that's investigating the weaponization

00:00:49.080 of the federal government against our citizens. And that subcommittee will have as much or more

00:00:54.980 funding as the January 6th committee. And they'll likely need every dime of it. The White House is

00:01:01.480 already trying to discredit the House investigators who will also be looking into the January 6th

00:01:08.580 committee. And even small requests by Chairman Jordan of the Biden Chief of Staff, Ron Klain,

00:01:14.840 Department of Homeland Security Secretary Mayorkas and Attorney General Garland were met with quick

00:01:21.140 and I'm sure not unexpected resistance. Chairman Jordan sending word to the administration's

00:01:27.340 officials that their stonewalling has to end. Congressman Jim Jordan is our guest today,

00:01:33.740 chair of the Judiciary Committee, the so-called Church Committee, investigating weaponization of the FBI,

00:01:39.840 the Department of Justice, and other departments and agencies. Mr. Chairman, congratulations and

00:01:45.740 thanks for taking time to be with us here today. I know you and your folks are working overtime now,

00:01:51.520 staffing, putting your committees, huge committees together. How goes all that?

00:01:56.480 Well, we just got our new members yesterday, got a number of new freshmen and then some of our

00:02:00.740 members who'd been in Congress for a term or two also wanted to get on Judiciary. So we got a nice

00:02:06.940 new complement of members. We think we're ready to get started. We got to get the Democrat members

00:02:11.900 assigned too before we can have our first meeting get moving. But we really like the team. We've got

00:02:16.520 Republican members. And of course, I think our staff is the best on Capitol Hill. It's the same team

00:02:21.020 that handled so many of the investigations in prior Congresses. And it's the team that was defending

00:02:26.100 President Trump when the Democrats did their crazy impeachment. So we got just the best staff too.

00:02:30.540 So we're getting ready to go, but we'll wait and see who the Democrats put on the committee.

00:02:34.280 Terrific. How soon do you believe they'll have those members ready for you?

00:02:39.500 I don't know. I heard it may take a while, but I mean, I don't know this this week and maybe next

00:02:45.400 week. And then again, once we get assigned by the way it works is you have to have that first

00:02:50.380 organizational meeting for the full committee where you adopt the rules. And then once you have

00:02:55.800 that meeting, then you can name the subcommittees and get to work. So that's what we want to do.

00:03:02.020 And we have a number of ideas we want to have for our first hearing. But I think first hearing for

00:03:07.600 the full committee, I think will probably be on this border situation, which you and I've talked

00:03:12.540 so much about. We no longer have a border. So I think we'll focus on that for our first full

00:03:19.500 committee hearing. At least that's where I think that the committee wants to go. The members want

00:03:22.660 to go. And then with the select committee, we've got a number of ideas that we think make sense for

00:03:28.080 potential hearings, hearing from the whistleblowers, hearing from people who've been targeted

00:03:33.060 by the government, hearing from some experts, you know, retired people in the FBI who say,

00:03:38.840 you know, how different things are now than what they were before. Potentially this Nicole Parker,

00:03:43.420 who left the FBI, wrote a big piece last week on why she left the FBI. I think those are some of

00:03:49.580 the folks that people will want to want to hear from as we get started.

00:03:52.640 Well, we've all been wanting to hear from these whistleblowers since you first raised the notice

00:03:59.920 of their existence. Can't wait for that. I want to turn to what I assume will be called the Jordan

00:04:07.800 Committee, the committee, the select committee on subcommittee on investigating the weaponization

00:04:13.860 of government. How far out are you with that investigation? How is that progressing and the

00:04:20.100 membership of the subcommittee? Well, we don't know yet. We haven't got assigned even the Republican

00:04:24.840 members to that. That'll be a decision by Speaker McCarthy. We anticipate receiving the Republican

00:04:29.140 members and then we'll see who the Democrats name. But as I said, this is, this I think really will

00:04:35.180 focus on what these now dozens, dozens of whistleblowers have come and talked to Republican

00:04:41.660 staff on the Judiciary Committee about their experience at the FBI, how political that place has become.

00:04:46.940 And maybe the scariest thing, Lou, is we now know that it looks like many of them have been

00:04:52.100 retaliated against by the FBI. Once they come forward and tell us, then they're, shortly thereafter,

00:04:59.120 they get their security clearance revoked. They get suspended in some situations. Some of them,

00:05:04.420 some of these whistleblowers just resign instead of face what we think is retaliation from the FBI,

00:05:09.500 which is particularly alarming because that's in direct violation of the whistleblower statute.

00:05:12.760 But we anticipate hearing from them. We think many of them are going to be willing to sit for a transcribed

00:05:19.400 interview or a deposition. And then we think many of them will be willing to come and testify

00:05:23.600 about what they've seen there. Remember, the very first whistleblower came to us, Lou,

00:05:28.540 came to us and told us about the targeting that was going on with parents at school board meetings.

00:05:33.820 And then we've had others come and talk to us about the apparatus that the Attorney General of the

00:05:38.880 United States set up when he did the memorandum to U.S. Attorneys talking about this dedicated line

00:05:44.100 of threat communication, which is what we described as a snitch line, where someone can just

00:05:48.880 tattletale on some parent going to a school board meeting, advocating for their son or daughter.

00:05:54.120 They get reported on the snitch line, and then the FBI puts a designation by their name,

00:05:59.100 and over two dozen parents got a visit from the FBI for simply going to advocate for their kid and

00:06:05.320 saying we don't want CRT taught in our schools or whatever they were advocating for. That actually

00:06:09.720 happened from the federal government. So we plan on hearing from whistleblowers on that issue and a

00:06:15.640 host of others they've talked to us about how political the Justice Department has become.

00:06:20.480 I want to get to your priorities, how you're going to organize this vast investigation or series of

00:06:27.320 investigations. But you raise the issue of retaliation. We know that the Marxist DIMS have already

00:06:34.700 organized a number of committees, whatever you would like to call them, associations of attorneys,

00:06:42.460 lawfare, prominent lawfare personalities, to go after all of you investigating this administration.

00:06:52.820 What is your thinking on that? It is implicitly, if not explicitly, a threat against you, an attempt to

00:07:00.500 intimidate you and the members of the judiciary, all of the investigators, oversight committee.

00:07:08.000 Your reaction?

00:07:10.120 Well, yeah, there was a story, I think now over a month ago, where, I think in Politico, where they

00:07:15.560 talked about that, going after Mr. Comer, Mr. McCarthy, and others of us in the Republican

00:07:21.660 Conference for simply doing our job, doing our duty. You know, look, you can't have, for America,

00:07:28.100 the greatest country in the world, the best country ever, but it's not America if you have a

00:07:33.640 Justice Department that doesn't equally apply the law. And right now, there's an unequal application

00:07:38.700 of the law. Everyone can see, we've seen it with the current example, with the way President Trump

00:07:43.460 was treated with classified documents versus the way Clinton and Biden are being treated. So there's a

00:07:49.600 difference, and the country sees it. So the first step in stopping it, and part of our constitutional

00:07:55.440 duty as doing oversight as members of the legislative branch, is to get the facts on the table for the

00:08:02.340 people to see. That's step one in stopping this behavior from continuing. So we're committed to

00:08:07.520 doing that. We're going to do it in an aggressive fashion, in a vigorous way, and we're going to do

00:08:12.580 it in a way that's consistent with the Constitution. We're going to allow, like, for example, any committee

00:08:16.680 we're involved in, we'll be able to be a part of that committee. We're not going to get rid of

00:08:20.500 cross-examination like the January 6th committee did. We're going to allow committees to function

00:08:24.620 where they're supposed to be, so you have real debate, because we actually respect the law,

00:08:28.300 we respect the Constitution, we respect the First Amendment. And Democrats used to respect those

00:08:33.320 things as well. Unfortunately, now it seems like they don't. And haven't for some time. When I look at

00:08:40.000 the names of the prospective members for the 118th Congress on Judiciary, I mean, that is a lineup

00:08:47.100 of Marxist, dim bomb throwers, left-wing radicals. You're going to have quite a, it's going to be

00:08:57.240 quite a committee for you to govern. Well, it's always been pretty heated and pretty robust debate

00:09:07.000 is probably the best way to describe it in the Judiciary Committee. And that's fine. I think that's

00:09:11.000 actually what, that's how it's supposed to work in America. It's supposed to be get your best hold,

00:09:16.400 make your best argument. Let's debate these things like we're supposed to, not cancel people, not get

00:09:22.420 rid of the First Amendment, not some of the other things that we see the left attempting to do.

00:09:26.240 And that's how the Judiciary Committee is, has functioned. And remember, this is supposed to be

00:09:31.800 the committee that is, is charged with safeguarding the Constitution, safeguarding the Bill of Rights,

00:09:37.820 protecting your First Amendment, Second Amendment liberties. That's what we're supposed to do.

00:09:41.980 And that's what we're going to be focused on in this Congress.

00:09:45.720 Well, speaking of the First Amendment, are you going to try to put your hearings, subcommittee

00:09:51.760 hearings, forward on C-SPAN, try to make them, to make them available to the American people?

00:09:57.720 Because that week of debate, that week of debate in which you all sorted out the speakership and what,

00:10:05.500 and the grand bargain. That was riveting television for the American people. The public's right to know

00:10:11.980 was served better than I can remember in a very long time.

00:10:16.280 Yeah. No, we, we, we, we hope that, you know, this will get covered. We're not doing it for those

00:10:22.480 reasons. We're doing it because we care about the Constitution and the First Amendment. But

00:10:25.380 sure, there, there will be access for, for the people to see what's going on in these,

00:10:29.240 in these committee hearings, where we, where we have these whistleblowers to come forward,

00:10:33.360 where we have people who've been targeted by the government come forward, where we, where we may

00:10:38.760 be, you know, where we, where we talk about what we've now learned via the Twitter files. I think all

00:10:43.560 those things are important for us to, to have in a, in a, in a public way. The Biden files, if you will,

00:10:50.480 the, the highly classified, the highest classified documents that were discovered, quote, unquote,

00:10:57.340 on his, well, first in his, I hate to call it a think tank because not much thinking seems to go

00:11:06.120 on there, but the Penn Biden offices, your reaction to, to what is happening right now,

00:11:14.380 White House attorneys discovered them, apparently. No one knows why they were there. They were discovered

00:11:21.100 on the second. Nothing happens until after the election. This is, this is rancid stuff.

00:11:29.260 Yeah. Yeah. So I think you asked an important question there. Why were they looking in the

00:11:32.560 first place? What prompted them to go look on November 2nd? I'd like to know the answer to that.

00:11:36.900 I think the country would like to know the answer to that. But then I think that the two things that

00:11:39.940 really jumped out at the American people are this lack of transparency. And of course, the double

00:11:43.840 standard that I referenced earlier, but think about on November 2nd, they find classified documents at the

00:11:48.060 Biden Center. On December 18th, they find classified documents at the, at the garage, at his, at his

00:11:55.880 residence. They don't tell us about any of that stuff. January 9th, the media reports it. Oh, that

00:12:01.600 they found classified information at the Biden Center. They report that. The White House comes out

00:12:06.520 and says, they confirm, oh yeah, that's fine. They talk about it, tell us they're being transparent,

00:12:10.560 but they don't tell us about what they found on December 18th, even though they already knew it.

00:12:13.820 Why not? Why not disclose that? And then how about this? There's a, a, a, a DOJ attorney

00:12:19.760 appointed, a U.S. attorney appointed, Mr. Laos was appointed in early November to look at this

00:12:23.520 issue. He concludes, according to Merrick Garland, he concludes his, his, uh, investigation on January

00:12:28.160 5th. And then they, after January 5th, they find additional documents. So what did he do during his

00:12:33.540 investigation for goodness sake? So I think those are all just like questions on how this thing

00:12:37.840 operated. And of course, for the Judiciary Committee, that, that would be our focus in this

00:12:41.620 is, is how the DOJ handled this and how it's so different, again, the double standard from

00:12:48.040 President Trump. But never forget when, well, I remember this, Lou, because I asked Secretary

00:12:53.240 Clinton this question during a Benghazi hearing. I said, Madam Secretary, you got 60 some thousand

00:12:57.600 emails. Some of them are personal and private. Some of them are related to your work. We don't want

00:13:03.140 to see your personal private emails. That's personal. That's private. This is America. We don't need to

00:13:06.840 see that. We don't want to see that, but we're not exactly confident that you and your attorneys

00:13:11.460 are going to turn over everything you're supposed to turn over to us. Um, so how about this? How

00:13:17.500 about you let a neutral third party, like a retired federal judge examine all 60,000 emails and

00:13:22.920 they'll decide. We don't need to look at it. They'll decide. How about that kind of agreement? No, no,

00:13:27.240 no, we can't do that. We can't do that. In fact, she ended up destroying 30 some thousand, um, uh,

00:13:33.020 of those, of those emails. So that's the treatment she gets to have. That's the, that's

00:13:36.820 the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the latitude she gets to have versus president Trump, where

00:13:41.100 they said, no, we're not only going to not let you decide. We're not going to turn over

00:13:44.200 the neutral third party. We're going to come raise your home for goodness sake. So that's

00:13:48.640 the part that I think there's so many Americans as well.

00:13:50.940 And I think it's important for everyone to remember in that home at Mar-a-Lago, uh, the

00:13:57.300 president had a SCIF, a secure, uh, area and facility for, uh, highly classified documents. Uh,

00:14:06.620 he had secret service, uh, agents all around him, uh, unlike, uh, the vice president, uh, during the

00:14:15.140 time in which they were taken or somehow drifted away from the executive offices in Pennsylvania

00:14:23.140 Avenue there. Uh, it's, this is mindlessness and there's a special prosecutor, a special

00:14:29.120 investigator and counsel, uh, for, for both men. Uh, this is, you talk about two different

00:14:35.880 standards of justice. Uh, this isn't justice at all. This is persecution of a president.

00:14:41.060 Yeah. Yeah. And the big distinction is, is what you just said of the three Clinton, Biden and,

00:14:46.840 and, and, and president Trump and, and their, uh, handling of classified documents. Only one of

00:14:51.620 them was president. Only one of them was president when it happened. Remember Secretary Clinton was

00:14:56.420 secretary of state. Uh, Joe Biden was vice president when, when, when these documents were at the

00:15:00.500 Biden center at his garage, president Trump was president that that in and of itself is a huge

00:15:05.560 distinction. And yet it seems like he's the one who's getting the real treatment from the DOJ

00:15:10.780 versus, uh, what's happening, uh, with, with the other two. And Trump's attorney couldn't be

00:15:16.340 president. Of course, during that, I, what I consider to be an illegal search and seizure by

00:15:20.500 those FBI agents in Mar-a-Lago, uh, the president's government attorneys are walking all the way

00:15:27.500 through it. Uh, and his personal counsel, uh, this is, you have plenty to investigate. I want to ask you

00:15:34.760 something else, uh, the business of the visitor's logs. Are you kidding me? The secret service,

00:15:40.820 no matter what they're called, doesn't keep track of the people who are in absolute close proximity,

00:15:47.580 uh, with the president of the United States, just because he's in Wilmington, Delaware. Uh,

00:15:53.980 at what point are we going to bring these people to account at the secret service?

00:15:58.340 Well, uh, Chairman Comer has, has talked about that, uh, and is looking into that. Uh, I, I, I'm,

00:16:05.680 I would be, I mean, I'm, I'm, I would think that certainly with the president, the secret service

00:16:11.940 knows who's coming in and out. And there's some kind of a record of that. Now, is it different with

00:16:17.280 a former vice president that I don't know, but I know that, that Chairman Comer is looking into,

00:16:23.120 uh, into that issue. And, uh, I, I, I, Godspeed, uh, Chairman Comer, because, uh, the, the nonsense,

00:16:31.820 the blather that's coming out of the white house right now is beyond tolerance. Let me ask you as

00:16:37.800 well, uh, the, uh, the, the idea that at some point you're going to get a straight answer from

00:16:44.520 those who come before you in various hearings, Mr. Chairman, I can't tell you the last time I remember

00:16:50.440 the Congress and its oversight role, getting a straight answer from any representative of this

00:16:55.840 administration, let alone top officials. Yeah. Uh, a great example is when, when Secretary

00:17:01.560 Mayorkas is in front of our committee and tells us that the border is secure. You're just like,

00:17:05.660 what, when, when we asked Secretary Mayorkas the question, uh, you know, about the, at the time,

00:17:10.700 I think it was 40 some now, I think it's up to 90 some names that have people who've illegal

00:17:14.760 migrants have come in the country who are, whose names are on the terrorist watch list. I remember

00:17:17.980 when I asked him the question several months ago, I said, what's the status of those individuals?

00:17:21.780 And his response was literally mind boggling. His response was, I don't know. And I'm like,

00:17:26.440 you're the head of Homeland Security and you don't know. So, so yeah, we're used to the,

00:17:30.960 the stonewall we get from the administration. We're hopeful that we can get some of this information

00:17:36.000 from other people, um, particularly about the justice department. We, we, we, we're, we're getting

00:17:40.500 it now as we speak from whistleblowers who've come talk to our staff. We're getting it from

00:17:45.200 people who've been targeted by, uh, by the government. Um, so we're going to, we're going

00:17:50.320 to be able to get some information that away, but you're right. It's always tough to get it from the,

00:17:55.060 from the agencies and from the administration, particularly when they're of the opposite party.

00:17:59.360 Well, I want to conclude if I may, with, uh, one question, uh, here, and that is we find out that,

00:18:06.340 uh, subsequent to the meeting between Trudeau and, uh, Lopez Obrador and Mexico, and of course,

00:18:12.740 President Biden, uh, now the word is that the North American, uh, union has now been resurrected,

00:18:19.700 uh, after being, uh, killed, uh, dead stop, uh, during the Bush administration. Uh, your thoughts

00:18:27.280 about why maybe that border has been left wide open to facilitate precisely that the North American

00:18:33.920 union. Yeah. You know, uh, let's hope that I, what I do know is that there is no way this

00:18:42.720 cannot be intentional. This has to be deliberate. This has to be a premeditated plan that this

00:18:47.840 administration had to, to go from a secure border that we had under president Trump to no border,

00:18:53.420 which we have now. I mean, we're talking 5 million people in two years have come across

00:18:57.040 in an illegal fashion. And they, they, they, they went down this path right from the get go.

00:19:01.860 When, when president Biden announced, we're not going to continue building the wall.

00:19:05.420 We're going to get rid of remain in Mexico to evaluate asylum claims. We're going to get rid of that.

00:19:09.440 And then when you come here, you're going to be, we're going to catch and release. You're

00:19:12.240 going to be released to wherever you want to go in the country. And when that's the message,

00:19:14.900 people come. And again, I always say, you can't fault people for wanting to come to the greatest

00:19:18.340 country ever. When they get here, they know there's no wall to climb over. We don't have to wait in

00:19:22.760 Mexico when they evaluate our asylum claims. We're going to get in and they're going to let us go

00:19:26.140 wherever we want to. Well, well, for goodness sake, when you do that, I don't know how you stop it.

00:19:30.680 So it has to be intentional. Um, that's the, that's the frustrating part. And by finally,

00:19:36.340 now you're seeing some Democrat mayors, uh, Democrat mayors on the border have already

00:19:40.740 been on our side. They know how, how bad this situation is, but you're seeing Democrat mayors

00:19:44.640 like, like, like even the mayor of New York now saying something's got to give, this is just way

00:19:48.400 too many folks coming and we can't, we can't handle this, not to mention what the cartels are

00:19:53.060 doing with fentanyl and how that is harming community after community across the country.

00:19:57.280 Now the, the result of this is that the cartels are just simply, uh, running over both sides of

00:20:05.620 the border. Uh, that border is now corrupt, uh, both North and South of the, of the line, uh, and

00:20:11.400 now spread across the entire country. So a great deal, uh, to consider, uh, and a, an administration

00:20:17.760 that has proved itself unworthy of, uh, the offices that it occupy, whether it be secretary of Homeland

00:20:24.380 Security attorney general or president of the United States, in my opinion, Congressman Jordan,

00:20:30.000 we thank you so much. Uh, we, we know that this, this task couldn't be, this challenge couldn't be

00:20:36.200 in better hands than that of Congressman, uh, James Jordan. So we appreciate it. Congressman,

00:20:42.460 thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you. Take care, brother. God bless. Congressman Jim Jordan,

00:20:47.820 leading what will be critically important investigations by the 118th Congress. Thanks everybody for

00:20:54.240 being with us. A reminder to please follow me on Twitter at Lou Dobbs. That's at Lou Dobbs. And

00:21:00.360 please join us here tomorrow for truth, justice, and the American way. God bless you and may God bless

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The Great America Show - January 18, 2023

JUDICIARY CHAIR JORDAN SAYS WE NOW KNOW THE FBI HAS RETALIATED AGAINST FBI WHISTLEBLOWERS FOR TALKING TO REPUBLICANS

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