A man who never should have been charged has won the first acquittal, and to this point, the only acquittal. The outstanding journalist Julie Kelly joins me to discuss the January 6th acquittals, and her reaction to them.
00:05:26.420Lou, I think what's more important than just the acquittal of Matthew Martin,
00:05:32.340who is found not guilty on four low-level misdemeanor charges,
00:05:37.560but these are the most frequently used charges against really the overwhelming majority of January 6th defendants have these charges.
00:05:45.860So it's not just that Judge McFadden found him not guilty.
00:05:49.320It is that an official with the U.S. Capitol Police Department testified under oath for the first time that they indeed allowed people into the building as police were standing by.
00:06:02.840They claimed that it was because they were overwhelmed.
00:06:06.760But regardless of the reason, this is still the first time that a Capitol Police official has said,
00:06:12.700yes, we stood by, we let people into the building, we did not notify them that they were breaking the law,
00:06:18.600and we were just basically standing there to make sure no one got hurt.
00:06:22.340And in and of itself, that's a noble motivation for police officers to make sure no one gets hurt.
00:06:29.160But at the same time, when prosecutors are bringing zealously and eagerly heavy charges and seeking heavy sentences,
00:06:39.540it becomes very important to everyone whether or not a person could reasonably infer from the behavior of that police officer
00:06:49.800that they were welcome, in fact, to walk through the hallways of the Capitol.
00:06:54.900I don't know if it rises to that level, but I know Judge McFadden made it very clear that he believed Matt Martin's view
00:13:14.640And, you know, President Trump, I have to say, he hasn't really done much either.
00:13:18.800He will talk about the political prisoners occasionally in a speech.
00:13:21.900But as far as any moneyed interest in the Republican Party, whether it's a PAC or any, you know, businessman, et cetera, who has stepped up to help these defendants find good, decent criminal defense attorneys, help their families struggling because their breadwinner has been in some political prison in D.C.
00:13:46.840gulag for 14 or 15 months with their trial being pushed off another five or six months.
00:13:53.860You know, this is a this would never happen in the Democratic Party.
00:13:57.660Furthermore, Lou, if this was happening to Democrat, Democrat Americans under a Republican president, a Republican Justice Department, you would have Republicans screaming, holy hell about this.
00:14:38.860It's you've talked to a lot of these folks in every aspect, from every perspective on January 6th.
00:14:48.540I can't quite understand why there isn't more knowledge, more more facts, more objective evidence in the public arena right now.
00:15:01.220The right to know is always a present right for American citizens.
00:15:06.940You know, as experiments, actually more than experiments, I googling how many, how many people remain in jail as a result of January 6th charges.
00:15:18.680It's really an interesting exercise because you get information that's a year old.
00:15:24.020You get the best you can do just about is probably two to three months old where there's there's no contemporaneous knowledge available as a matter of course on just a simple Google.
00:16:07.940They really can't counter how I describe it.
00:16:10.900And they will say, well, some of these men are charged with assaulting police officers.
00:16:14.980OK, well, please show me an example from 2020 of a man with no criminal record who allegedly assaulted or attacked a police officer who was denied bail because of his association with Black Lives Matter, etc.,
00:16:29.000which are some of the reasons that these judges are justifying pretrial detention.
00:16:34.600Someone is associated with the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers.
00:16:38.080That in and of itself is reason to deny them bond.
00:16:43.100There's nothing comparable to what's happening to these men.
00:16:47.400Furthermore, aside from the ones who are being detained under pretrial detention, you have people pleading guilty to a Class B misdemeanor parading in the Capitol.
00:16:57.360And this Justice Department is demanding prison time for that.
00:17:01.560I mean, this has never happened either.
00:17:07.180You know, as we're told, we're not supposed to break norms.
00:17:09.580You know, Donald Trump, the big norm breaker.
00:17:11.720But this is what's happening under the Biden regime.
00:17:14.100And more importantly, this abusive Justice Department.
00:17:19.740Abusive, arrogant and leftist Marxist.
00:17:23.340If there is anyone in this country who doubts that right now the permanent bureaucracy is simply the tool of the DNC, the Marxist left in this country, please just listen to this broadcast and read Julie Kelly.
00:17:40.400Because I guarantee you, after a week, you will understand what reality is.
00:17:45.780And the reality is that the Democratic Party is an assault on the United States of America.
00:17:51.380And it's pervasive at the local level to the Obama, we'll call it the Obama-Biden-Harris White House, at least yesterday.
00:18:04.020Julie, the Justice Department wanting all of this penalty and punishment.
00:18:10.160I have to credit Judge – you and I have talked about Judge McFadden before, and you are more skeptical of him than I am.
00:18:19.740But I did find one thing in his favor.
00:18:24.120And I was – and I don't know who to credit, but I'm crediting right now McFadden.
00:18:27.820He apparently took the trouble to compare the sentence recommendations of the Justice Department for these – particularly, we're talking about Matt Martin, and compare it to Code Pink, left-wing activists.
00:18:44.960And they wanted 10 times as much jail time for, in this case, a misdemeanor, as they were seeking for what was obviously – it could have been a felony charge in the case of the Code Pink activists.
00:18:59.840And he decided, we're not going to play the game and reduce the sentence recommendation to, well, in his case, Matt Martin, outright acquittal.
00:19:10.900I mean, I think it's a little glimmer of hope from Judge McFadden.
00:19:15.120My biggest issue with Judge McFadden is that he has signed off on pretrial detention orders, including for one nonviolent offender, Tim Hale, who has been incarcerated now since January of 2021.
00:19:30.160McFadden has signed off on that detention order and also allowed the Justice Department, at the same time, to delay his trial.
00:19:37.920It was originally scheduled for last November.
00:19:41.080McFadden approved, moving it to May, the same time allowing, repeatedly in numerous cases, DOJ to delay their discovery deadlines.
00:19:50.980He scolded DOJ last summer for blowing past a promised discovery deadline, and they still don't have all their discovery made available, including, more importantly, Lou, hundreds of thousands of FBI records that they have not uploaded to the shareable platform for defense attorneys to look at.
00:20:16.820But this testimony will be impactful in other cases.
00:20:23.640The testimony of the U.S. Capitol Police official who confirmed that they were allowing people in.
00:20:28.860That will have repercussions in other cases as well.
00:20:31.780Well, I take your point on McFadden, and that being the case, I want to, you know, I think I will go to glimmer of hope.
00:20:40.220Is there some, is there some explanatory fact in all of this that would account for his really egregious abuse of that defendant's rights?
00:20:54.280Here's what one defense attorney told me, that early on, these judges felt under pressure, and they've all gone along with the insurrection narrative and the riot narrative, including Judge McFadden, who is a Trump appointee.
00:21:10.160So, early on, they supported pretrial detention to sort of, I think, help DOJ go along with the narrative or really believing these people were dangerous.
00:21:18.620Never, probably, if you ask Judge McFadden, to be honest, did he ever think that this would go on as long as it has.
00:21:27.180And in other cases, other Trump judges, for example, Judge Tim Kelly, who this week, he has incarcerated under pretrial detention six men, including five accused of no violent crime.
00:21:39.740They have been in prison for over a year.
00:21:43.140He vacated their May trial date because DOJ came back, added defendants, threatened to add more charges, and said that they don't have all their discovery evidence ready.
00:21:53.580So, instead of Judge Kelly throwing these prosecutors out of his courtroom, instantly authorizing the release of the men that he has held for over a year, he vacated the trial, did not set a new trial date,
00:22:06.200did not admonish DOJ for, once again, delaying discovery, including Brady material, and seemed okay with the threat that they were going to add more charges and more defendants to prolong the case even longer.
00:22:21.600This is the sort of thing, these people are trapped in a rigged system that has contempt for them, and they have no source of relief.
00:22:30.640And so, that's why I will give Judge McFadden a little, what did Irving Kristol say, two cheers.
00:22:37.140I'll give him two cheers instead of three.
00:22:39.980But, you know, I'm not so sure that other judges will follow his lead on this.
00:22:46.360Yeah, they haven't followed his lead to this point, even in terms of his lighter sentencing.
00:22:52.600And we should say, McFadden has been, I guess, more humane and just in his penalties than others who are over the top.
00:23:04.980We've got judges that are doing crazy things in their sentencing to these people.
00:23:11.860To that end, how many people remain in prison?
00:23:59.120You know, the word I use when I hear these prosecutors and these judges and even the journalists is sadistic.
00:24:06.120I am routinely sickened at how I hear these judges and these prosecutors describe their fellow Americans and the glee that they take in meeting out overly harsh prison sentences, separating these people from their families.
00:24:22.700I just talked to a man last night, Boyd Camper.
00:24:26.520He spent 60 days in jail after pleading guilty to parading in the Capitol.
00:25:37.520They are gratified by the suffering of people like Boyd Camper.
00:25:41.200Yeah, I'm not mincing words anymore about what we've got in front of us in this administration, this Democratic Party.
00:25:47.820They mean to destroy this country and destroy everyone who believes in it and who would work for it.
00:25:55.540But we have to figure out what we're doing here.
00:26:00.900And by we, I'm talking about everybody who isn't a Democrat because it's insidious, whether it's our school system, whether it's universities and colleges, whether it's banking, corporate America.
00:26:13.680America, they're behind every one of these woke, crazy Marxist left initiatives and values that are surfacing everywhere.
00:26:25.200I want to go to something you said, and that is that we are getting more cases every day.
00:26:29.320A report two days ago that we are seeing so-called, and I love the expression that was used in the report, citizen sleuths, online sleuths, bringing forward hundreds of people that they're identifying.
00:26:46.700We know who these citizen sleuths are, they're left-wing activists selling out everybody they can and doing it.
00:26:55.940As you put it, I thought the word was exactly right, gleefully.
00:27:00.600You know, if these were Republicans, they'd be talking about, it's Benji Atlantaism, but it's the other way around.
00:28:28.300But we have to make sure that they hold these prosecutors accountable, that we turn the powers of the January 6th select committee 180 degrees and target the people who are responsible for doing this,
00:28:41.500expose and reveal the role of the FBI in January 6th, and all of these egregious raids that Chris Ray brags are being conducted out of all 56 field offices.
00:28:55.160I mean, there are horrific stories about what Americans have been subjected to by this FBI.
00:29:03.600And to your point, if we don't really start hammering down on these institutions, cutting off their funding, subpoenaing them for public sworn testimony to explain what they've done to this country and to Trump-supporting Americans, we have no hope.
00:29:22.040This is really going to be the last stand in terms of holding these agencies and these prosecutors accountable for what they're doing.
00:30:17.020And we always give you the last word as a guest on this show.
00:30:20.900Well, Lou, again, thank you so much for covering this and for your kind words.
00:30:24.540If people want to help, there's really only one organization out there right now that started grassroots level last year because no one was stepping up.
00:30:32.640That is the Patriot Freedom Project, patriotfreedomproject.com.
00:31:36.260There is absolutely a calculated statement forward that they will control this country, and everyone who believes in a constitutional republic, who believes in capitalism, who believes in market capitalism, are going to be shoved to the side and absolutely relegated to the dustbin of history, if you will.