KELLOGG： PUTIN NOT SUCCEEDING; FITTON： PUTIN COMPROMISED BIDEN
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In the early days of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we could all feel the effects of the fog of war, the difficulties of knowing what is actually happening on the ground in Ukraine and the cities and the capital of Kiev. In addition to the fog, and combat, there is the offensive undertaken in psychological and disinformation warfare, and Ukraine is the battleground for it all.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,
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always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
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And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
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Hello, everybody, and thanks for being with us for this edition of The Great America Show.
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In the early days of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we could all feel the effects of the
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fog of war, the difficulties of knowing what is actually happening on the ground in Ukraine and
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the cities and the capital of Kiev. In addition to the fog of war and combat, there are the offensive
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undertaken in psychological and disinformation warfare, and Ukraine is the battleground for it
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all. We do have some developments that are verifiable. The Russians have killed hundreds
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of Ukrainians in their assault, and Ukrainians are fighting the aggressors, the invaders,
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and inflicting more casualties than anyone had expected, in the Western media at least,
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reports that more than 3,000 Russian troops have been killed, that the Ukrainians are in fact
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putting up one hell of a fight, in fact repelling the initial Russian offensive on Kiev, and well
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organized and ready to engage what the Ukrainians know will be a strong second offensive. And also,
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defense and military analysts say that while the Russians aren't bogged down in their assault,
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in their invasion of Ukraine, the Ukrainians have blunted the Russian attacks to this point,
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and are slowing the Russians. They are now moving much slower than had been expected, which may or may
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not be part of the explanation for the rumored Putin decision to participate in talks with the Ukrainians,
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to send a delegation to talk with Ukrainian representatives if they so choose. But all of
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that is only rumor, the fog of war, remember? But the Ukrainians' unexpectedly strong defense of their
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homeland is fact, a stubborn fact, a big obstacle to Putin's desire to rebuild the Soviet Union.
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To take up all of this, we have with us the former National Security Advisor to Vice President Mike Pence.
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Keith Kellogg is a retired three-star general, formerly Chief of Staff and Executive Secretary
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of the National Security Council. General, it is great to have you with us. What do you make of it all?
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Thanks for having me. Yeah, I understand President Xi of China is pushing this as well to make sure that
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it goes. You know, a little bit of this is tongue-in-cheek. I'd probably send somebody else than
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Zelensky going, only because I remember, I'm old enough to remember, when the Hungarians, after the
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Soviets went back into Hungary and Budapest, when they went to negotiate, the leaders were all killed.
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I said, you know, I remember that pretty well still. So I said, okay, but it's, yeah, but now taking out
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the old tongue-in-cheek, the answer is probably a good idea, and I'm glad they're doing that.
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What it is telling me, though, Lou, is that Putin has not achieved his objectives, and that he's got
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a problem. He's overreached, it looks like. They're fighting hard. He knows that Ukrainians don't
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support him, will not support a rump government. He doesn't have the forces yet to go beyond the
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Dnieper River in the eastern part of Ukraine, so it'll be really hard to occupy that country.
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And I'm going to be, you know, as very simple as I can be. I said, if I was Putin, and this hell
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happens, and they go to talks, I'd double my bodyguards, simply because I don't think the
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military, the oligarchs, will support this. They'll extend themselves with all the penalty
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that comes with it. They have so far been stunningly unsuccessful at what their original objectives
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were, and part of that, very candidly, Lou, is he pulled his punch as Putin did. I think Putin
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thought it was going to be an easy rollover, and it's not. You know, there's an old saying,
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it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fighting dog. Well, I
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think he bit off a lot, and I think this is not going as well as he realized, and Ukrainians
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are very proud people, and they're fighting, and Zelensky, unlike Ghani, who left Afghanistan
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with a lot of money and got out of there, is willing to stand and fight in Ukraine, in
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Kyiv, and I've got to give him a lot of credit for that. So that was a long answer to a short
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question. I think this is bad for Putin. No, it's a great answer. It is also a difficult
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thing to imagine that the Ukrainians, the way that they were described to us by our own
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politicians in the White House, you didn't, I think most of us didn't expect them to have
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a will to fight, certainly not anything like what they have put up so far. And so the Russians,
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I think, understandably, I guess, could have been surprised. They had, obviously, infiltration
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throughout Ukraine, because they knew where their targets were, and they hit those targets.
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Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. You know, I, when they line up all those forces, he's
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not fighting the typical Russian way that I fight. Example, usually they did it in Georgia,
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and they did it in Crimea as well. You get hit with a massive cyber attack. You wouldn't
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see Zelensky on television. You wouldn't see the lights on in downtown Kyiv. You wouldn't
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see a lot of things because of the simple cyber attacks on all your institutions. And
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then you mass, and then you use massive force. He's only used about one third of his military.
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He didn't use any cyber. And he's going to pay the price for that, because now he's lost
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the initiative and lost the momentum. He's not fighting in the typical way that he is
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out of the textbook Russian way of fighting. And he's going to pay a price for it. And
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that's what I meant about it. He's lost momentum, because by doing that now, he's trying to
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reinforce, but he's lost the visuals. And a lot of things are based on the visuals that
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you see, and the entire world is going now, oh boy, they're putting up a heck of a fight.
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You see that. That is a constant drumbeat of what you see across the wire. He's overextended
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himself, Putin meaning, and he's not succeeding. They didn't do first aid objectives. So everything
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you say is correct. He had everything massed to do it. He didn't fight the way he should
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have. If I was a military commander, I would have told him, you're making a mistake by doing
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this. He did it. That was his call. And I think now he underestimated Ukrainians. And
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I think he's going to pay a price for it. But you're absolutely right. It's going to be
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really tough to reinforce and keep the momentum going now.
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And those talks, do you believe this is a ruse? Do you think he is sincere? And what really
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are his objectives? It seems like at this point, he has certainly his new republics, Luhansk
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and the other province are now republics, at least in the minds of the Russians. But now
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he's reached to Kiev. It's a very difficult situation. It seems like a smart poker bet
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to go to these talks and to take what you can get. That is what he really wanted, a partition,
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what it seemed he wanted, a partition of Ukraine with Russian speakers on one side and the Ukrainians,
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traditional Ukrainians on the other. Do you think that's still acceptable or what he would accept?
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I think if it was Putin, I think he's trying to find a way out of this. But Zelensky has been
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hard. Zelensky has said Ukraine is Ukraine. Yeah, they're not the separate republics that you see
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out there. It's not Crimea. And we got to give credit to Zelensky. And the West has said they agree
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with Zelensky, but they won't do anything about it. It's like, yeah, yeah, we know that Crimea is still
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part of Ukraine. But but oh, you know, go sit in the corner. Don't do anything. Zelensky will be is
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a very, very tough is which is amazing to me because, you know, nobody thought that of him.
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But he's been pretty tough about it. So what I would do is I would send interlocutors to have a
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meeting to first find out because I don't trust Putin. I trust Putin about as far as I can throw
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the Empire State Building, which ain't real far. And I would say, look, let's find out what your
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negotiation positions are. Here's what I would also like to have happen. If I was America and
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I'd say, look, you've got to get this guy out of there, meaning Zelensky, I know he wants to stay
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and fight and potentially die, but he has now become a symbol. And you want to get him to a
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position where if he asked, we could stand up a rump government and be a real thorn in the side.
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If you have to go to the West and go to Lviv or someplace like that, stay within the country
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to protect him. I said, you know, this guy's too valuable now to be lost because I'm concerned
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that Putin will try to capture Kiev, decapitate the government and put him in a cell next to
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Navalny. And I don't think that would be good to do this. So I don't trust Putin. I'd send an
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interlocutor. And I think the pressure is starting to build on Putin. You know, remember that Zelensky
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didn't come up with this idea. The Chinese did and the Russians did. So he's got a little bit of
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advantage now and I'd play it. Well, I think in terms of foreign policy and geopolitics and a
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changing world order, this would be quite a stroke if he and Xi Jinping have worked out a deal to end
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it here, take what he's got, that is Eastern Ukraine and call it good, which would satisfy, I think,
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just about anybody, whether European or Russian or American. But because really,
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Xi Jinping then becomes the dominant force globally. He and his new strategic ally of Vladimir Putin.
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No, I think you're exactly right. You're 100% right. The big winner on this, if you looked at it,
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will be Xi. And I've always said that I think our greatest adversary is not Russia. Our greatest
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adversary that's a growing adversary is China, both economically, both militarily, politically,
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diplomatically. All of this is our biggest adversary. And Xi comes out and, see, I can do
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this. And, oh, by the way, President of the United States, you can't. I can make this deal work.
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And that may be part of the deal where Xi looks at Putin and said, look, I came to give, you know,
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we locked arms on this deal going forward. And I mean, if they could pull this off, it would be a
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huge coup. It'd be an embarrassment to the United States. It'd be an embarrassment to NATO.
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You know, and the sanctions are, I'm a big believer too, Lou. I'll very honestly say that
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there's two bodies of thoughts on it. And my body of thought happens to be that sanctions
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don't really work. They've been prepared for them for a long time. I agree with you.
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They can be offset. And they were not that hard sanctions anyway. You saw our American stock
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market really rise when they realized how weak the sanctions were. We just look stupid.
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And to not remove Russia from SWIFT, the international financial information clearinghouse
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that is critical to trade and the export of their oil, is mindless. And to not ask the
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United States to not import more of their oil while we are sanctioning them, this administration
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No, I'm absolutely right. I heard the president's speech last night. I said, boy, this is really
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hard when you got hit with a wet noodle. And Putin's going to blow it off. I think, and this is
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disappointing, but there is no relationship between Biden and Putin. And Putin doesn't like Biden. He
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doesn't trust Biden. And Biden is part of the problem in the sense that he looked at Putin and
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he said to Putin, you're a man who has no soul. He's to belittle him. And Putin doesn't like that.
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The one thing about President Trump is President Trump understood who he was dealing with when he
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had an adversary. I don't care if it was Putin or if it was Kim Jong-un or President Xi. He knew how
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to work with him and he thought, OK, I'm going to keep the dialogue going. But you've got two now
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leaders of major nuclear powers. And they're not even talking to each other because there's no
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respect and no like. And that is going to cause us problems because try to pick up the phone
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to call Putin if Biden is. And he may take it, but he's going to get blown off.
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So we're operating from real disadvantage. The guy that was really making some headway was
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Macron of France. And we've abrogated our leadership responsibility. And I blame that on President Biden.
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Biden is further exposed for what he is, and that is inept and weak. The United States
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is exposed for what it is, detached and unengaged. And by the way, with the state of our current
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military, I am delighted that is the case, because we need time to rebuild and to retrain our military
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leadership to replace it in point of fact. And I'd like to get your comment on this as we close here.
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Uh, and, and NATO and Germany particularly, uh, exposed for what they are weak, feckless and
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dependent. Yeah. Your thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Louie, I've been a big, I used to hammer NATO
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a lot when I was with president Trump and to make the comments, I said, look, when the end of this is
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done, when it's all, you know, complete, I think we just need to look, uh, and realigning NATO.
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Here's what I mean is everybody knows that article five, our attack on one is attack on all. I mean,
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I think, you know, third graders say that in their sleep, article five, article five,
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people forget there's article three and article three, I call it the funding article. He required
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to maintain both individual and collective defense based on the agreements. And they had the Wales
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declaration, the Wales declaration in 2014 signed by chance from Merkel of Germany said they would,
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everybody would agree within 10 years, have 2% GDP spent on defense, which is that 20%
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modernization. Only one third of the nations of NATO do that. And I'd say, okay, a deal is a deal is
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a deal. Germany, you're probably one of the worst offenders of this. If, if you don't put 2% in,
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then article five doesn't apply. You are a secondary member of NATO and force everybody to do that.
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I used to, you know, I remember when I was in your station in Germany years and years ago,
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Germany had a 500,000 man army and it was feared. I used to, you know, kind of tongue in cheek say,
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you want to scare the Soviets. Now the Russians armed the Germans because they always seem to
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march east. And I said, but right now, even there was an article just the other day, actually a Fox
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article that talked about their senior general, the most senior, they're basically their chairman
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of the joint chiefs basically said that the German army is, is, is worthless. It can't fight.
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It's the, I was stunned when I read that article. It was in fact, just came out the other day.
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So I think NATO needs to do a relook. I think the primary members need to do some hard looking at it
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on what's going forward. And because it, they look just very, very weak overall. And then you
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look at the United States and don't think that foreign leaders don't look at it. They look at
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what our focus is. They know we have open borders and in the South, we let that go through. It's a
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woke culture. We have individual divisions going forward and it's not focused on the primary things
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we should be focused on. And I think we, we, that's one of the reasons we pay a price. There's a
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real fragmentation of society and our, and our opponents see that. I think people see what,
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what this PC culture, this cancel culture, uh, this, uh, Marxist, uh, ideology that is the
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foundation now of the radical Democrat party. Uh, we've learned a lot, I believe in these last,
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uh, weeks. And, uh, I think that'll make us stronger going forward. I hope, uh, certainly,
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Well, okay. I, I just think, uh, you know, when you look at, uh, what we're seeing today,
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I think a lot of people out there, uh, would say, you know, I didn't really mind the mean
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tweets. I think we're okay. We should have had somebody like a Trump in charge. We wouldn't
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be here very candidly. Lou, you know, we wouldn't be, and I really mean this cause I was in the
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white house with him for four years. We wouldn't be where we're at. It wasn't necessarily a hundred
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percent deal and everything we did, but it was able to keep the hand on the tiller and keep a lot of
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respect out there. And leaders, uh, you know, you know, leaders might say to him, well, we don't
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respect you, but we do fear you. And I think there's nothing wrong with that. When the president
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made it very clear, he would protect American interests all the time, everywhere, um, day or
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night. So it is what it is. And we'll just have to deal with it. Unfortunately. Yeah. Uh, and,
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and so it goes general, we appreciate it. General Kellogg, uh, you're a great American and we
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delighted that you had time to talk with us and I hope you come back soon. All the best.
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Thanks for having me. General Keith Kellogg. Thank you again for being with us. There are a rising
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number of questions, millions of questions, it seems, but among them, whether the United States
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will under this week, Biden administration come to a sense of humanitarian obligation to support
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and to protect the Ukrainian people in the face of this Russian invasion of their country.
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The United Nations won't. The UN has again demonstrated its capacity for both absurdity
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of purpose and fatuous pronouncements on geopolitics and all too obvious institutional irrelevance.
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NATO won't nor the European union, at least as long as the callous and cowardly Germans fear that
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Putin will cut off their energy supplies. And the more the Ukrainian military and civilian resistance
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succeed in stopping the Russian offensive, the worse it looks for Putin. It's much too early to say
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Putin's dream of reconstituting the old Soviet union has died in Ukraine, but with each passing day
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that Ukraine stalls, the Russian advance, the more likely it is. We'll see the strengthening of a rising
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insurgency against Putin's invaders. And with Western humanitarian and military aid, Ukraine might just
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prevail against Russia, despite the crushing power of the forces that Putin has unleashed on Ukraine.
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Despite all Putin's advantages and his new strategic partnership with communist China,
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it is suddenly possible that NATO and the Biden White House just might follow President Zelensky's
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courageous leadership and support Ukraine and the Ukrainians in their struggle to survive the
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despot Putin and his invasion of their homeland. Joining us now is Tom Fitton. Tom is the president of
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the leading government watchdog group, Judicial Watch. Tom, the United States has done to this point
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almost nothing to support Ukraine. NATO and the EU are doing as little as well. Germany actually
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insulting Ukraine by sending 5,000 helmets to them. So much weakness in the West. Your reaction to the
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Russian invasion and the strong Ukrainian stand against Putin? You know, I'm old fashioned. I blame Putin for
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invading Ukraine, you know, to be clear. But he's taking advantage of a situation that in part has been
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created by the incompetence and corruption and moral obtuseness of this administration.
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Joe Biden and his administration have been distracted at best, inept in their entirety, at worst. And
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weak. Mr. Biden is weak, watching the press deal with him today. They treated him as they should
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have been treating him from the outset, as a man who is not a successful communicator, and a man who is
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obviously not interested in the public's right to know what his government is doing. Yeah, I mean,
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kind of there are two big issues here. There's the president's personal failures, right, and policy
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failures. And then there's this, in my view, and the epiphany, as you kind of explain what's
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happening, is that we have the failure of our whole national security and foreign policy establishment,
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that we spent trillions, trillions, if you want to include the Defense Department, trillions on to
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prevent exactly this sort of catastrophe we're seeing in Ukraine right now. You know, and let's go,
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let's go back two years ago. Remember what's going on two years ago in our Ukraine embassy
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in the state, in, in, in, in Kiev. They were, they were focused on spying on you, Lou. Remember,
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they're gathering, vividly, vividly. They were gathering you and others, critics, social media posts
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to track what you were saying about the corrupt ambassador there, Ivanovich, and Soros and Biden and
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company. Right. So that's what our State Department was doing in Ukraine two years ago. And right now,
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we don't have a State Department in Ukraine, because we had to flee the country. You think
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the two are connected? I do. Do you think that plays a role in the policy? I mean, this is an
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interesting question you pose, because does that relationship play a role in Biden administration,
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foreign policy, specifically with Ukraine? The Putin propaganda is that Ukraine is a vassal of the
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United States to be used for corrupt purposes. How does not, how does Biden's corruption there
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not fall into that? Look, Judicial Watch has documents showing that the State Department goons
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that were targeting Trump for trying to blow, blow the whistle on what Ukraine was doing with Biden in
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terms of corruption and Russia and things like that. They knew that Biden was compromised. They
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talked about Russia trolling Biden. He's going there three days before President Trump's inauguration in
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2017. A Russian-linked newspaper is saying, is he here to protect his business interests? And
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one of the officials there, a member of Mr. Kent, who testified against Trump,
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emails Kovanovich, the ambassador, Burisma is the gift that keeps on giving. So they knew he was
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compromising our situation there. So you have this corruption involving U.S. government officials,
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Vice President Biden, through his son Hunter. You had Hunter taking in money from the wife and widow of a
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Russian oligarch. Remember, Burisma is a Ukrainian country, a company, but it was a Russia-leaning company
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that was run by a member of the cabinet of the Ukrainian leader who fled to Russia after he was
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ousted. So Biden was compromised six ways to Sunday by Putin. And I'm sure Putin looked at all of that
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and calculated, but what do I have to worry about if I want to do what I want in Ukraine?
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Because, heck, you know, as I said, the propaganda was the United States was doing what they wanted.
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A great, great point, a great series of points. And it also plays into the answer to the question
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that was asked repeatedly of President Biden today. And that is, why not put sanctions against
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President Putin today? Why not today? And the answer was never forthcoming. Perhaps Tom Fitton has
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Yeah. You know, and that goes to the general policy approach of the deep state and our foreign
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policy establishment and such, which is the one, you know, which is weakness in the face of aggression.
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And, you know, look, I don't want to see a war with Russia over Ukraine, but we should have made it
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clear to Russia there would have been severe consequences beyond sanctions, which have a
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demonstrated record of not deterring aggression. And, you know, I don't necessarily have the
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solution, but one way to do, one way to protect yourself in terms of the policy implications of
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what happened in Ukraine is to show that you're strong by bolstering your defense, increasing your
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energy capacity, not undermining it through green energy initiatives that tear the legs out from anyone
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who wants to stand up against Putin's aggression, like in Germany and here in the United States.
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You know, there are sorts of things you do to strengthen the West as opposed to weaken it
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through the socialist green energy. And, and as I say, corrupt policies that really just serve to
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advance the goals of certain policy, you know, extremists, as opposed to defending our national
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security. I mean, if there's one thing we can conclude now, green energy is a national
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security risk in these initiatives because they've made us weak and they've made the West weak in
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the face of Russia aggression, because the green energy initiatives in Germany and elsewhere have
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made them more dependent, ironically, on Russia than less dependent. And, you know, it's a long ball game
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Just to be kind, we're not playing well. This administration, though, is sort of the, you know,
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the, the derivative of the Obama administration and the follow, following these, these sort of curves
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that fit into government governance in America. This curve starts in the Obama administration and rest now
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in the Biden administration and its lead from behind. It is a ridiculous assumption that you can get away
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with misjudgments like, yes, we're all about green energy and devil take the hindmost. If you think that
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we lose all of our fossil fuel and petroleum industry because we don't really need them because
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we're your pure of heart and we are seeking the ideal and a, uh, sustainable utopia, which isn't
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going to be available for decades for crying out loud. Do you agree?
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I agree. And Putin looks at our priorities, whether it be on energy, on, um, our military with critical
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race train, critical race theory, and, um, you know, the other, uh, social engineering programs going on in
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our military, he sees a corrupted white house. He sees president Biden's health challenges,
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which are evident to everyone, but we're not allowed to talk about evidently here in Washington,
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DC, but you can bet Putin notices it. You can bet all of our friends and allies and adversaries see
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this. And, you know, it's, it's led to, um, you know, as I said, I blame Putin for invading Ukraine,
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but we have to understand that Putin responds to the weakness he perceives. And I think this
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aggression is evidence of that. And in that weakness, there's some, there are some overt
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messages, including the time when he, uh, sought it, I guess, to, uh, appear as though it was a
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mistake, but when he referred to a minor incursion that we'd simply have to talk about, uh, that was
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in the minds of many. And I think probably correctly, uh, a signal to Putin that a minor
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incursion would be quite fine, uh, with this, uh, this president, uh, it's very difficult to
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understand what Joe Biden is doing as president, isn't it? Yeah. You know, many of our friends have
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said he cares more about Ukrainian borders than, uh, Ukraine's borders than our Southern borders.
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I, I don't believe he cares about either. Uh, you know, I think, you know, how else,
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you know, it seems like our policy is almost encouraged this type of incursion to put it
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charitably, uh, both in Ukraine. And obviously we don't, we can go on at some length about,
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uh, the invasion in our Southern border, but, uh, uh, the transnational left and progressives,
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uh, they don't care about borders. They care about their, their policies being, um, promoted,
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uh, and Putin is offensive to them because it gets in the way of their agenda. As, as we were talking
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about a little bit before we went on air here, you know, John Kerry was upset that it's distracting
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from his climate change agenda. These folks are a menace to our national security with their
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priorities. John Kerry, uh, is Tom fitness saying, said this today about, uh, president Putin. I hope
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president Putin, imagine this in the middle of an invasion of Ukraine saying, I hope president
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Putin will help us to stay on track. Those are direct quotes with quote, what we need to do for the
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climate in quote. Now we can talk about that being rich in irony, uh, a tone deaf, uh, John Kerry is
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nothing new, but when it is also juxtaposed against one of the most frightening developments of the day
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among many, and that is Russian forces capturing the radioactive still and deadly dangerous Chernobyl
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nuclear power plant, according to the prime minister of Ukraine, they have taken charge of it.
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And to think that we have, uh, Kerry braying about Putin staying on course about what we need to do for
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our climate. If Europe wasn't frightened before where, then I don't know what it would take to,
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to reach their, uh, both their imagination, uh, and their hearts. Well, for the corrupted ideologues
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that are running our country, the jobs that the American people expect them to do, which is to
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protect our national security, preserve our defense, preserve economic Liberty, you know, make sure that
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we don't have to worry about, uh, uh, a dangerous Putin or dangerous China. They see all that work as a
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distraction because they prefer to be pushing this radical climate change agenda, their CRT agenda,
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uh, you name it. Uh, and they see the basic work that the American people expect from their elected
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leaders as a distraction as opposed to their core mission. Exactly. But it appears he is on very bad
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footing to deal with the Ukrainian invasion by Russia. Yeah. You know, I was thinking, um, I always
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thought it was very interesting to see on Twitter, everyone talk about, um, well, I got, I got COVID.
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I'm glad I got the vaccine, which I thought was kind of an odd, you know, it is, it is a brain twister,
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isn't it? Right. And now that's been replaced as, uh, Putin invaded Ukraine. I'm glad Biden's president.
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I'm glad Trump isn't president even better. Yeah. You know, that it's this odd construct we're
00:31:19.240
supposed to buy, but it's typical for the left. Now, when they, when they killed our people in
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Benghazi, it was a testament to, but to Trump, uh, to Obama's leadership. That's what we were told by
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the white house. Exactly. When Biden, uh, surrendered in Afghanistan and killed Americans on the way out
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through his ineptitude and abandoned to this day, Americans there, it was a success. And now, uh,
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Putin's invasion is supposed to be treated as a, uh, success in, uh, Biden, keeping our allies
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together, uh, while not actually able to prevent the carnage we're seeing today in Ukraine. I mean,
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you know, we, we talk about these issues. Sometimes we laugh about them, but this corruption
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and incompetence, it's, it's getting people killed unnecessarily. And it's these poor innocents
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in Ukraine. Ukraine didn't deserve to be invaded. Ukraine is not a perfect country. I didn't deserve
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to be invaded. It didn't have to happen if we had better leadership from the United States and,
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and the left, but, you know, I, maybe it was inevitable because these are the consequences
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of a failing, um, uh, West, uh, that is more focused on, uh, lining its own pockets and advancing
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extremist agendas, as opposed to, as I say, doing what it's supposed to do, which is to secure
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its citizens and, and, and ensure a strong national defenses.
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And there's one other irony in this that, that doesn't escape us. And that is a president,
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president Biden actually saying bragging about, uh, when asked about how did he know that the
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invasion was imminent when he said that, what, 10 days ago, I hadn't even called the invasion
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date as last Wednesday, uh, incorrectly. Again, he said, we have a, an intelligence apparatus of
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great significance, uh, or something to that effect, uh, bragging about the intelligence that
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he was getting, which was pretty good. But for him to be bragging about the intelligence on this,
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one would have hoped that the intelligence agencies would have had a better sense of this,
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a better gotten something of a whiff of it six months ago, rather than, uh, six days, uh, before
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its occurrence. Your thoughts? Yeah. And invasions like this don't happen overnight. It's why we go back
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to the earlier part of our conversation where we exposed it to state department when it came to Ukraine
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and our military establishment in the, in the, in the person of Colt of, uh, Mr. Vindon, right.
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Yeah. I was more focused on destroying Trump for highlighting corruption in that area involving
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U.S. government officials as opposed to, uh, and, and, and spying on Americans to do what it looks
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like. Yeah. So why would we think, we knew where their, their focus was until Biden came in on
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destroying Trump. Their focus still is kind of on destroying Trump in advance, in addition to
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advancing their radical extremist agenda. And, you know, oh, you know, and then they decide to
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listen in on Putin when it's becomes clear that he decided to invade after, you know, oh, we has 130,000
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troops on the border. Maybe we should focus on that then now. I mean, Lord help us, Lord help us. And
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what's concerning about this is these folks who've lied to us about Russia for years, we're expected
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to now trust them now. Well, I've, I've held Sullivan, national security advisor, Hillary's guy
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lied about Russiagate. Now he's running our Russia policy for Biden. Again, Lord protect this country.
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Indeed, Tom, we need all the help we can get. Tom Fenton. Thanks for being with us. And for your
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views, Tom, president of Judicial Watch, a great organization devoted to protecting America and
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