The Great America Show - MACGREGOR SAYS BIDEN SHOULD BE WORKING HARD TO END THIS WAR RATHER THAN DEMONIZING RUSSIA

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00:00:24.780 It's now the 19th day of the war on Ukraine. Death and destruction mount each day,

00:00:31.820 and Ukrainians are fleeing their country in ever greater numbers. 2.8 million Ukrainian refugees

00:00:38.520 now, that according to the latest estimates from the United Nations. As I've said throughout,

00:00:45.300 the war on truth extends far beyond Ukraine's battlefields and borders. Reports that Russia

00:00:53.160 had turned to China to supply the Russians much-needed military equipment and presumably weapons.

00:01:00.300 Russia denying any such requests. But then, there are reports today that China has said it is open

00:01:07.320 to providing Russia with the requested military equipment and financial assistance for Russia

00:01:13.320 to continue its war on Ukraine. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, at a meeting in Rome with

00:01:20.660 senior Chinese officials, reportedly told them there would be, quote, potential implications and

00:01:27.060 consequences, end quote, for China if it provides that aid to Russia. And while the war rages on in

00:01:35.100 Ukraine, there are concurrent ceasefire talks going on between the two sides that continue in Geneva,

00:01:42.400 without, to this point, any sign of meaningful progress. Joining us now is former Senior Advisor to the

00:01:49.820 Secretary of Defense, highly decorated Army officer, author, consultant, and military analyst, Colonel

00:01:56.600 Douglas McGregor, retired. Thanks for being with us, Colonel. Your thoughts on Sullivan's statement to

00:02:02.900 the Chinese, there would be consequences if they provide military aid to the Russians.

00:02:09.140 Well, I think it's a foolish statement. I think Sullivan is living in fantasy land.

00:02:13.460 China is not going to respond to those kinds of threats. And China is essentially a civilization and

00:02:21.880 an economy unto itself. So the notion that we can somehow or another punish China further

00:02:27.160 for its relationship with Russia is enormously self-defeating and self-deceiving.

00:02:33.680 Bravado doesn't play well coming from a White House that has been to this point, one, if you believe in

00:02:42.040 the approach they're taking, restrained, or two, somewhat meek, if you believe they should be

00:02:49.160 stronger. What do you believe this White House should be doing specifically to support the Ukrainians?

00:02:57.420 Well, first, I think the president has done two things correctly. So let's give him credit. First,

00:03:04.020 he's made it abundantly clear that under no circumstances will our ground forces cross

00:03:08.800 the Polish border into Ukraine, because he recognizes that would precipitate all-out war with Russia.

00:03:16.560 Secondly, he's absolutely refused to entertain the idea of a no-fly zone for the same reason.

00:03:22.680 We'd end up losing aircraft and pilots, and we would be at war with Russia. And in that connection,

00:03:29.800 the notion that we could somehow or another mysteriously and secretly fly aircraft from Poland

00:03:36.460 or Romania or somewhere else by Ukrainian pilots into Ukraine to help them with the war would result in

00:03:44.200 essentially the same thing. So I think he's done the right thing, because we have no interest

00:03:49.600 becoming involved in a war with Russia over what is happening in Ukraine. Now, beyond that,

00:03:55.800 he doesn't seem to exert a great deal of control or influence over his government, let alone

00:04:00.420 any leadership on the Hill, because we have an inexhaustible number of people who are trying

00:04:06.560 desperately to precipitate conflict with Russia over Ukraine. And that's the last thing we want to do.

00:04:12.080 What he should be doing is urging an end to the fighting and tell the Ukrainian president

00:04:18.860 that first and foremost, he should immediately accept neutrality and renounce any further interest

00:04:24.680 in joining NATO. That's a precondition for anything good to happen as a result of this event.

00:04:30.360 There are two more conditions that the Russians have stipulated. One involves recognizing the Russian

00:04:36.400 independence of the of the Russian provinces and the Donbass and also renouncing any further interest

00:04:42.200 in Crimea, which has never been part of Ukraine. Those are easy conditions to meet. But for some

00:04:47.300 reason, he's resisting. And I think he's resisting because he's being told by people in the West

00:04:52.040 to continue resisting. Yeah, I agree with you that I think that there are a number of people in this

00:04:57.840 administration who are seeking to widen the conflict in Ukraine without any question whatsoever.

00:05:03.720 I also think that the Republican senators, 40 of them, who want to give MiG-29s, Polish MiGs,

00:05:15.060 to the Ukrainians have lost their minds. This is government by cute on the part of those Republican

00:05:24.080 senators. Do you not agree? Well, let's face it. Most of these politicians on any given day on any policy

00:05:31.000 want to be a little bit pregnant. The problem is that you're not going to end up a little bit

00:05:36.140 pregnant. You're going to end up in a lot of trouble if you do those things. And they don't

00:05:39.600 seem to appreciate the dangers involved. I listen to people insist, oh, the Russians are weak. The

00:05:46.100 Russians are that. They have no idea what's been going on on the ground. And the Russian army has

00:05:50.800 behaved, in my judgment, very capably and very professionally. But they have moved slowly

00:05:55.980 because Putin has demanded it, because he's wanted to eliminate or reduce civilian casualties.

00:06:03.040 If you're going to reduce civilian casualties, you cannot run a scorched earth campaign. And he

00:06:08.260 doesn't want that, because ultimately Putin wants to live with the people in Ukraine after this is over.

00:06:13.120 We seem intent on depicting him and the Russians as perfectly evil, deserving of the worst. This is a

00:06:21.060 very counterproductive position to take right now. It is counterproductive if the purpose of that

00:06:27.140 rhetoric is to find some common ground and to be very accommodating. At this point, Colonel, I have to

00:06:37.620 point out that this is an invasion by the Russian army at the orders of Vladimir Putin. And when I look

00:06:45.080 at the video, and I realize that the video is selective, and it doesn't portray a general picture

00:06:51.420 necessarily. But it's devastating what those missiles, those rockets, and the shelling have produced in

00:07:00.500 Ukraine from Maripol to Kiev. It's devastating. So I don't understand exactly how you liberate a people

00:07:11.900 as you shell them, bomb them, and send in rockets and missiles on a daily basis. What could possibly be

00:07:19.180 the objective of that military strategy?

00:07:23.860 Well, the objective is to destroy Ukrainian forces. And they are doing that, albeit slowly for the reasons

00:07:30.580 I cited. Right now, the vast majority, 90 percent of Ukrainian forces are encircled, cut off in various

00:07:38.460 towns and cities where they've taken refuge, intermingling with the civil populace, in some cases

00:07:44.900 using the civil populace as shields, in other cases not. But particularly in Mariupol, they very

00:07:50.560 definitely are using the civilian population as a shield. And then there is a large pocket of 60,000

00:07:56.980 Ukrainian forces encircled in southern Ukraine. They are going to be slowly but systematically

00:08:04.620 pulverized out of existence unless Zelensky accepts the conditions. The Russians did not invade suddenly

00:08:12.180 or in a surprise move by any stretch of the imagination. The government has made it clear since 2007 that they

00:08:20.680 will not allow Ukraine to be turned into a platform for attack against Russia. We have been working overtime

00:08:26.580 to turn Ukraine into a hostile camp. And their greatest concern was we would ultimately move missiles and

00:08:34.240 troops in there. We're also neglecting that there's been a war going on in eastern Ukraine since 2014.

00:08:40.680 And 14,000 people have died. Thousands of Russians who live in the Donbass. And Putin has made it very

00:08:48.060 clear he's not going to stand by and watch those Russians be slaughtered. And again, Russians have been

00:08:54.020 second-class citizens in Ukraine. And he has asked repeatedly for fair treatment of the Russians that

00:08:59.700 live on Ukrainian soil. And again, that's been rejected. So we have a very one-sided view of

00:09:05.020 things. And I think it's unhelpful. What we should be interested in doing is ending this thing. We don't

00:09:11.580 want these people to kill each other. We don't want another war on the European continent. So we should

00:09:16.900 host a conference. And we should start by saying Ukraine will be neutral. We don't need it in NATO.

00:09:22.640 We never did. There's no requirement for it. There's no need for it. And if you neutralize it,

00:09:27.980 it becomes the wonderful buffer between Russia and NATO, which we should all welcome.

00:09:33.940 I don't know that we should welcome, though, the argument that a buffer is required. I mean,

00:09:40.080 when we think about how close Alaska is to Russia, I mean, we have a small strait there that

00:09:49.600 that is a buffer. But why is a buffer necessary? And why is this such a big deal? Because

00:09:59.520 point of fact, there is great proximity between enemies and friends all over the world.

00:10:06.600 Well, I don't see why Russia gets a demand like that just as a matter of default.

00:10:12.820 Well, remember that he pointed out early on that he would not tolerate the presence of missiles

00:10:19.020 in eastern Ukraine that could reach Moscow in a matter of minutes. It's very similar to the

00:10:24.940 missiles that were placed in Cuba that could reach the United States in a matter of minutes in 1963.

00:10:29.800 Only today, you're talking about far more sophisticated and capable weapons.

00:10:35.780 Absolutely.

00:10:36.360 We are quite willing to do that and have made it clear that we would make Ukraine a member

00:10:42.160 of NATO, a full-fledged member. We put our forces on the ground in Ukraine to train Ukrainian forces.

00:10:49.360 We've equipped them. We've encouraged what I would call the suicidal nationalism that is so

00:10:54.680 widespread in western Ukraine as a means of provoking the Russians into stupid actions.

00:11:01.780 And I think we've succeeded. So I just reject the notion that, well, we don't need a buffer. Well,

00:11:07.900 if you're a Russian and you're trying to keep missiles and hostile forces away from your border,

00:11:12.940 I think you do. And right now, I think it's very clear to Putin and the Russian population that we

00:11:18.580 are extremely hostile. They see no evidence at all for even the remotest interest in a fair and

00:11:23.700 equitable settlement.

00:11:24.700 Well, that settlement is going to be determined, as most of these conflicts are, by the relative

00:11:30.960 positions of the opposing forces. In this case, the Ukrainians and the Russians. But now,

00:11:39.600 now Putin is looking to communist China for additional equipment and supplies and presumably

00:11:46.760 weaponry. What does that mean? Well, we don't.

00:11:50.600 Tell us what that means in terms of the strength of the Russian military right now.

00:11:55.300 Well, first of all, I reject the notion that they're desperate for something that only the

00:11:59.940 Chinese can provide. I don't see any evidence for that. I think they have turned to China for many

00:12:06.080 things. Most importantly, obviously, for the Russians is to sell their vast abundance of resources and

00:12:12.620 food, oil and gas and metals to China, which the Chinese can eagerly absorb and pay for.

00:12:18.660 They've also turned to the Chinese banks as an alternative to dealing with us in the West.

00:12:24.460 I'm very skeptical of this report. I don't have access to the intelligence. But based on my

00:12:29.960 experience, things can be taken out of context and wildly exaggerated. So I, frankly speaking,

00:12:36.220 don't buy it because most of the military technology that the Chinese have is based on what the Russians

00:12:41.700 have given them or what the Russian or what they bought from the Russians. So going to China for

00:12:46.580 particularly their air force, particularly air force, absolutely. The Chinese have been able

00:12:51.440 to build good engines forever. But the point is, I just I just wouldn't attach that much significance

00:12:57.720 to it. But we don't know what was asked for. All right. So at that with that, how do we interpret

00:13:03.800 and I agree with you, this is this is the most this is a massive disinformation war. Oh, at the same

00:13:10.660 time that the ground war proceeds. It is. But we have complications now. We have an administration

00:13:18.040 that is perceived by half the population is lying to them every day. We have an administration that

00:13:24.000 has been incorrect in a number of foreign policy decisions, as well as domestic policy issues.

00:13:29.960 There is great polarization within the United States. It is almost impossible for most Americans

00:13:36.620 to find out which is the greater liar, the national media, the Biden administration, Vladimir Putin

00:13:44.480 or Xi Jinping or the Ayatollahs. Well, I think you're spot on. And unfortunately, our record is not a very

00:13:52.160 good one. I think the real issue for Americans, quite frankly, is not the war in Ukraine. It's the potential

00:13:59.240 to go to one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel in oil. I think Americans are much more concerned

00:14:05.180 about food inflation, about the inflation and commodities in general. I don't think anyone in

00:14:12.580 another month will be remotely interested in what happens in Ukraine if oil and gas prices go through the

00:14:18.760 roof. Shelves are empty in grocery stores. The supply chain continues to break down. You know, Lou,

00:14:25.840 you know the economics better than I do. But Russia not only supplies more than one third of all the

00:14:34.080 natural gas to Europe, there are twenty one hundred firms in the United States that have at least one

00:14:40.640 tier one supplier in Russia. And when it comes to food, especially the grains, barley, wheat, this sort of

00:14:47.520 thing, a third of it comes from Russia and Ukraine. We're going to start feeling the impact of the

00:14:55.280 sanctions that we're trying to impose on the Russians here at home. And I think people will be a lot more

00:15:00.320 interested in that than they are and what happens in Ukraine, to be blunt. I think there's every

00:15:06.000 reason for you to, you know, to project that as a possibility. What I, I, I would got, you know, to

00:15:12.960 understand contextually where that negotiation is between Zelensky's government and the Russians, which,

00:15:21.600 by the way, now we're getting reports from Zelensky's government, that the Russians are to, are being

00:15:27.040 more constructive, quote unquote, in those talks. But they've been going on for days as they, as the

00:15:32.480 Ukrainians take a pummeling at the hands of the Russians. So what are we to make of that shift if it

00:15:39.360 is indeed a shift in those talks that are going on right now, daily? Well, it's difficult to say from,

00:15:47.200 from our vantage point, one thing that very few Americans are aware of is that while we have

00:15:51.840 essentially avoided direct involvement, we haven't been very helpful in promoting a settlement.

00:15:58.000 In fact, we've been very, very much involved in promoting hatred for Russia and isolating Russia.

00:16:05.440 But the German Chancellor, Schultz, his administration, and I think President Macron and the French

00:16:13.200 government are working now closely to try and promote a ceasefire based on arrangements that

00:16:19.360 both sides can accept. And I hope that they're going to be successful because the longer this lasts,

00:16:25.040 the worse it is for everybody. We're, we're not benefiting from this. Now, of course,

00:16:30.160 I don't know how the stock trading is going on the hill right now in Congress and the Senate and

00:16:35.120 how many people have cashed in on the energy problem up there. We know how that goes.

00:16:39.840 But I'm saying the rest of the world is not benefiting. We are not benefiting. But there's

00:16:44.080 one more thing to this, Lou, that I don't think we appreciate. We have been in the business of

00:16:50.160 essentially weaponizing not just the SWIFT system, but a whole range of, of systems that we have

00:16:56.960 dominated, certainly for the last 50, 60 years, against anyone we didn't like. Right. I think that's

00:17:03.760 about to end. I think that what has happened now is that the Russians, the Chinese, probably many,

00:17:10.320 many others in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, South Asia, certainly India feels this way.

00:17:17.360 They have decided to build parallel institutions. And I think what we're going to find is that we will

00:17:23.280 no longer be able to inflict the pain that we have in the past because a portion of the world,

00:17:29.920 perhaps as much as half or more of it, will simply operate in a different world from ourselves.

00:17:35.520 Yeah, I think that you're right. And we know that the Chinese are already building that system

00:17:41.360 and preparing, as a matter of fact, to go strongly into digital currency, crypto. We don't know how far,

00:17:49.920 how extensive, but we know they have begun. We've heard the President of the United States give support

00:17:55.600 to crypto suddenly in an executive order, which was one of the most mindless statements of economic

00:18:01.920 policy from a president I've ever heard. Just to randomly proceed without any discussion of

00:18:08.960 either context or motivation or result, sought no objectives and no architecture. So I don't know

00:18:18.240 what to make of this administration. And Colonel, I've got to ask you straight out. I think this

00:18:22.800 administration is so weak, so feeble. When I look at Kamala Harris as Vice President and Joe Biden as

00:18:29.920 President of the United States, I couldn't imagine going to war at any time in our history with worse

00:18:36.400 leaders to be Commander in Chief and Deputy Commander in Chief. Well, that goes without saying. I think

00:18:46.000 you're absolutely right. But add to this something else. For the last 30 years, our fighting power

00:18:53.520 inside our military establishment has been on a very steep decline. When Biden came to power,

00:19:00.160 he simply, with social engineering, accelerated that decline even further. It took President Trump three

00:19:06.400 years to figure out that he was being lied to on a pretty routine basis by the Department of Defense,

00:19:12.080 as well as state and potentially the Central Intelligence Agency. But now I think we know with

00:19:19.040 absolute certainty that our armed forces are in no position to fight anybody who can actually fight

00:19:24.320 back. We haven't done it. We don't know how to do it. We've lost our capacity for that sort of thing. And the

00:19:31.120 notion that we should turn to nuclear weapons is sheer, unadulterated insanity. There is no winner in a nuclear

00:19:38.080 exchange. And I think we need to sort of make that abundantly clear. This is something we shouldn't

00:19:45.120 even consider. This is not 1965, when we had overwhelming superiority in every important category

00:19:53.040 of military power. This is 2022. We are not where we were in 1990. We are not the world's only superpower.

00:20:02.560 The unipolar moment has passed. And you just can't routinely punish people for whatever it is that

00:20:10.560 you don't like. You've got to deal with them. And that's what is desperately required now. We need to

00:20:15.280 step up to the plate. And instead of increasing the hatred for Russia in the hopes of somehow or

00:20:21.520 another building, I guess, support for the administration, what we need to do is understand

00:20:27.760 and there is no hope for conflict. We need to look for a settlement. Politics is practical. We need

00:20:35.680 to be pragmatic. What can we do to end this? And then end it in a way that both sides walk out feeling

00:20:42.000 that they've gotten something good. Yeah. You know, I think you've probably expressed the view that most

00:20:49.120 people would love to see this government follow. I'm not sure of that, but I'm hoping that that's the case.

00:20:56.400 And when we look at diplomacy on the part of this administration, to see Jake Sullivan,

00:21:01.680 the national security advisor, playing sheriff come to town, making demands and throwing out threats,

00:21:10.240 it is deeply troubling. To hear Joe Biden, the president of the United States, talk like a

00:21:14.960 neighborhood thug and use it and do so in first person rather than speaking for the nation,

00:21:20.960 is deeply troubling. I can't believe that we have an administration so ignorant of the requirements

00:21:30.240 of diplomacy, the requirements of responsibility for those jobs they hold. Lindsey Graham, my lord,

00:21:38.480 the man is, he's mad. Mitt Romney has gone just as nuts. And so I, you pick your party, you pick your

00:21:46.080 poison. This is just an absurdity. And it goes to your point. It's as if none of them have any

00:21:52.080 appreciation for the world as we have it rather than the world that once was. Well, there's also no

00:21:59.200 appreciation of what the word war actually means because for the last 21 years we have faced opponents

00:22:07.360 without armies, without air forces, without air defenses, essentially without any capability

00:22:14.160 per se at all that you would associate with a modern state. Now we're facing one of the greatest military

00:22:20.800 powers in the world. Now this military power today in Russia is not what it was 30 years ago any more

00:22:27.040 than we are. Its forces are too small to launch an offensive against Western Europe. But the Russians

00:22:34.000 know what they're doing. And if we push them and we threaten them and we bully them, we will regret it.

00:22:41.680 They are not leaving Ukraine. It's a vital national strategic interest for Russia that Ukraine not be

00:22:48.320 hostile to Russia. We have no vital strategic interest in Ukraine. Our only interest is to end

00:22:54.400 this thing on the best terms that we can get. That's where we should focus. But instead we're treating

00:23:00.160 Ukraine as though it were Texas. It's not. Yeah. And we sort of moved to where we began. And that is,

00:23:10.720 as you said, neutrality is a necessary first condition for Putin to have constructive talks

00:23:20.720 that lead somewhere. But what is neutrality when it comes to Ukraine? How, what does that look

00:23:26.400 like and what is given up and what is gained? Well, I think the best example, something the Russians

00:23:33.600 embraced and respected and have honored ever since is neutrality in Austria. In 1955, the Austrian president

00:23:43.440 wanted to end the Soviet occupation of Austria. They were sick, frankly, of the Soviet military

00:23:48.240 presence, wanted it gone. And he sat down and he put together the Austrian state treaty. Dwight Eisenhower,

00:23:55.120 who was then president, welcomed the development. Because Eisenhower had said repeatedly, when he

00:24:00.480 was Supreme Commander Europe for NATO as a five-star general, and then later on as president,

00:24:06.800 we didn't have, then, the armed forces, the ground forces, the air forces to defend all of Europe.

00:24:13.840 He was interested in neutralizing as many states as possible to simplify the task of simply defending

00:24:20.640 Central East Europe, that is, West Germany, from an attack. Right.

00:24:24.560 So he welcomed it. And that treaty worked very well because Austria retained the capacity for its own army,

00:24:31.600 its own government. It simply excluded all foreign forces, all foreign entities of any kind from maintaining

00:24:40.560 any position of military power or influence in Austria. And it said it would maintain good relations with Russia,

00:24:47.360 trade with Russia, in those days, the Soviet Union. It worked. And I think the same thing could work

00:24:53.520 for Ukraine. And if you go to Austria today, it's enormously prosperous and successful.

00:24:58.960 And once at the heart of what was then East, the Eastern Bloc in Europe. And we've, we've come a long

00:25:08.000 ways without, without this kind of conflict. We've approached it a number of times, but this is the first

00:25:14.960 time that it is broken open into open warfare. And I, I'm not sure that we have the talent in our

00:25:22.320 diplomatic services or the wherewithal in our military, uh, to, to assure a favorable outcome.

00:25:29.840 Uh, and that's deeply disturbing. I think most Americans would take neutral, as you say, and be

00:25:36.320 thrilled, uh, at the result. Uh, but obviously that is not what this administration wants. It's not what

00:25:42.800 40 US senators want. Uh, and that to me is deeply frightening because none of those senators, not one,

00:25:50.160 uh, has the capacity to be, uh, in my opinion, uh, negotiating, uh, treaties, uh, and conclusions to

00:26:00.480 conflicts that result in neutrality, uh, and peace. Well, you're right. You get the final word here,

00:26:07.600 Colonel. Well, you're right. Uh, the strident positions that we've taken are simply irrelevant

00:26:14.720 to the strategic requirement, which is to end the war. And I think we're going to watch the Europeans

00:26:20.480 for the first time in many decades, step forward and organize a piece out of this tragedy. And we will

00:26:28.720 be marginalized as a result. And anyone who thinks that this has helped unify NATO has lost their

00:26:34.480 minds. In fact, the opposite is the case. And we've already seen that with Germany that has said,

00:26:39.760 thank you very much. We will continue to buy all the oil and gas Russia wants to sell us.

00:26:44.480 Japan has said the names that same thing. Those are two of the biggest economies in the world.

00:26:49.120 So the notion that somehow or another, we are forming some great coalition

00:26:53.600 to crush Russia is absurd. It's not happening and it won't work.

00:26:57.360 Colonel, if I may, I'd like to turn to one last question that we'll insert before I,

00:27:03.440 your last words. And because I neglected to, to address this, which is the Iranians,

00:27:11.440 taking credit, uh, and responsibility for the missiles they fired into Erbil,

00:27:16.880 Iraq, the Kurdish capital of Iraq, uh, and nearly hit the U S consulate there.

00:27:23.120 And now we hear Xi Jinping threatening again, Taiwan, 13 aircraft flying into the defense

00:27:31.680 zone again from China. Where is China? Where is Iran? Uh, as this war goes on,

00:27:39.760 uh, as far as China is concerned, they're reacting to another one of our freedom of navigation exercises in

00:27:48.080 the Strait of Taiwan. We keep moving aircraft carrier battle groups through there. And, uh,

00:27:54.400 the Chinese have never stopped a commercial ship and commerce is being our preeminent concern as,

00:28:00.800 as a global Navy for several hundred years. Uh, so there is no threat to commerce from China whatsoever.

00:28:07.600 Uh, so I think, uh, this is, we're precipitating trouble with China at this point that only re reaffirms

00:28:15.600 the wisdom in China's mind of stay, staying the course with Russia. So if our objective is to

00:28:21.760 persuade the Chinese that they should remain strongly, uh, partnered with Russia, then we're certainly

00:28:27.520 succeeding. As far as Iran is concerned, uh, if they had wanted to hit our consulate, they would have

00:28:33.600 done it. And the real question is, what are we doing with 2,500 troops on the ground in Iraq?

00:28:39.600 I haven't figured it out. Uh, the place is effectively an Iranian satellite. If we leave,

00:28:45.280 it will become more problematic for the Iranians, not less. And then secondly, the principal competitors

00:28:52.160 in the region are the Turks and the Iranians. The only thing we've done is to keep them apart. And

00:28:57.440 the real question in my mind is why are we bothering?

00:29:00.000 Uh, Colonel, it's always a delight to talk with you. We always learn something. We appreciate your

00:29:04.960 insight, uh, and your judgment. Uh, thanks so much, Colonel Doug McGregor. God bless you. And

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The Great America Show - March 15, 2022

MACGREGOR SAYS BIDEN SHOULD BE WORKING HARD TO END THIS WAR RATHER THAN DEMONIZING RUSSIA

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