Jack Posobiec joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to talk about his new brand of nationalism, Pizza Hut Nihilism, and the rise of Pizza Hut Restaurants across the country. To take up these perilous times and the battle for the soul of the nation, we have with us conservative social media warrior and star, former Navy intelligence officer and host of the podcast, Human Events Daily, Jack Posobiesc.
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00:01:33.080To take up these perilous times and the battle for the soul of the nation,
00:01:37.260We have with us conservative social media warrior and star, former Navy intelligence officer and host of the podcast, Human Events Daily, Jack Posobiec.
00:01:48.920It's great to have you with us here on the Great America Show, Jack.
00:01:52.400And I noticed, because I follow you on Twitter, that you got all involved in nationalism.
00:01:58.400A nationalism of an entirely different kind.
00:02:01.380And when you did, you went viral, meaning you almost broke the internet with your new brand of nationalism.
00:04:10.120There's packaging and, you know, sauce containers over all the tables, chairs turned over and everything.
00:04:17.000And when I said I wanted to just get some personal pan pizzas for my kids, I mean, this guy looked at me like my hair was on fire.
00:04:24.280You know, this is not a thing that you do anymore at a Pizza Hut.
00:04:27.400And I'm sitting there thinking, isn't this a great microcosm, a great example of how a once flourishing American institution that throughout the 70s, 80s, 90s really tapped into that that Americana, which already existed, you know, really from the 1950s onward of having that great community restaurant has now turned into something that doesn't exist anymore for my own children.
00:04:55.500And that's a new that's really a new dynamic for America to be part of a generation where I'm realizing that the country that my children will one day inherit doesn't seem to be as good as the country that I grew up in.
00:05:10.700And I said, this is a perfect example of what that is.
00:05:13.860Now, it's funny enough, my wife is actually an immigrant, so she didn't know what I was talking about.
00:05:18.140So we went home and I had to pull up some of the old, you know, videos and the ads.
00:05:22.120And of course, there's a great iconic, you know, really stuffed crust pizza ad where, of course, it's it's Donald Trump and Ivana Trump.
00:05:30.980And at the end, she says, she says, Donald, may I have the last piece?
00:05:36.420And he looks at her and goes, darling, you're only entitled to 50 percent.
00:05:40.020Oh, this, of course, was coming out in the 90s.
00:05:46.300So in the midst of the divorce, just just amazing, just a perfect, you know, that was, you know, really just just such a peak moment.
00:05:53.520There's Donald Trump making jokes, Ivana Trump.
00:05:57.220It's you know, you play baseball, you go to the to the thing afterwards.
00:06:00.480And somewhere along the line, it seems like we've lost that really seems to have lost that with this globalized, digitized economy where we're all sort of separated.
00:06:09.520We're all everything's political, everything, you know, every movie you go see has got some agenda behind it.
00:06:15.300You know, you take your can't take your kids to Disney World anymore, you know, and all the rest of it.
00:08:04.520Well, so what's so interesting about that photo that I chose was so I lived in Shanghai for about two years.
00:08:10.460And I remember going down to Nanjing Road is sort of this main pedestrian thoroughfare.
00:08:17.960It's almost the main street of Shanghai, if you will, and that they had this Pizza Hut there.
00:08:23.960And I remember looking at it saying, this is like an upscale joint.
00:08:27.680You know, this is a place that you might it wasn't it wasn't the family fair that I was used to from the 90s and 80s.
00:08:33.620But it was almost an upscale, you know, maybe, you know, closer to like an Applebee's tier or even a little bit higher.
00:08:41.940So the idea was that if you were some white collar worker who was going on your lunch or if you wanted to get drinks with friends after work, that's what you went to the Pizza Hut for.
00:08:50.440And so they're run by a separate company that was spun off from Yum Brands, this giant, you know, multinational global that, you know, came in just like everything else.
00:08:59.460And purchased up all of our favorite institutions and turned them into these, you know, soulless creations.
00:09:06.000But in China, they kind of took a totally different spin on it.
00:09:10.160And then through serving in the Navy, I actually had the opportunity to spend time in in different parts of Asia.
00:09:21.700And it's the same idea that Pizza Hut there is this more upscale, you know, really kind of upward mobility place that you would want to go and a totally different aesthetic, really, than the family friendly, fun place to go eat that I remembered.
00:09:37.600But at the same time, if you look at it from the juxtaposition of the trajectory of the two countries, right?
00:12:25.060Just making sure that everyone knows that it's promo code POSO that saves you up to 65% on upgrading your sleep system to get you the best night's sleep in the whole wide world.
00:12:33.980It seems like I've heard that somewhere before.
00:12:56.220But we were down at this last CPAC here in Orlando.
00:12:59.580So I guess it was February and we had brought the kids with us because, you know, it's Orlando.
00:13:05.780Of course, I'm going to bring the kids.
00:13:07.240But we didn't want to bring the kids into the I was hosting one of the tables.
00:13:10.900So, you know, they have you go and host and they sit you down and, you know, you kind of want to, you know, greet people, say thanks for coming out.
00:13:17.600It's one of these ones where, you know, you pay a little extra so you can go to the dinner.
00:13:21.880And but we had the kids basically sitting out just outside that area with and we had a friend who was babysitting.
00:13:27.840And so I go out to check on the kids at one point just to make sure everything's fine.
00:13:32.180And they're sitting, they're playing, there's some toys and who should walk up.
00:13:36.260But Mike Lindell walks up while I'm sitting there.
00:13:46.800He's amazing with children, the way he just lights up.
00:13:52.180And I mean, he's like everybody's favorite grandfather.
00:13:54.340And just just what an incredible guy who just has a great exuberance for life and a joie de vie, you know, just an absolute love for life itself.
00:14:04.440And the fact that he wears his his belief on his sleeve as being a believer in the risen Lord Jesus Christ and is able to share that freely.
00:17:09.960You know, I just don't want to get her in any trouble because, you know, how you know how they treated all of those BLM activists who were violent and set fire to things.
00:17:19.280I mean, those people are going to be in jail for years and years and years.
00:17:22.360No, no, Lou, I'm actually, believe it or not, hardly any of them were arrested.
00:17:27.260In fact, most of them are have been reactivated and they're they're in the wake of this Roe v.
00:17:32.400Wade leak and they're attacking police officers again.
00:17:35.720Some of them are showing up to the homes of Supreme Court justices.
00:17:40.520And I talk about this a lot that because there was no we wrote a whole book about it, focused on Antifa, but really got into the entire what I call the summer of rage of 2020.
00:17:51.520The fact that these networks, the organizers, the funders, the central planners, no meaningful prosecution or investigation of them ever took place, whether at the federal level or the state level.
00:18:04.840And all of those political implements still exist in the world today.
00:18:09.780And I actually believe I said this a few weeks ago.
00:18:11.760It seems to me that they're being reactivated on the cusp of the midterm elections of 2022.
00:18:17.740Now we've seen them completely reactivated.
00:18:20.260These Antifa cells were seeing it at the homes of Supreme Court justices.
00:18:24.340There's that Breitbart had that report that Sam Alito and his family may have been moved to a secure location.
00:18:31.840I mean, this is a very dark time for our country when law and order, as we see it, is not operating properly because it doesn't matter what laws you pass if the laws are not enforced.
00:18:45.440I should have made it clear that I was being facetious when I was expressing my optimism that these people were emerging from jail now.
00:19:01.860And there is very little chance that any of them will ever be prosecuted, no matter their crime of choice in the years ahead.
00:19:10.060It's really a blanket left-wing Marxist amnesty, a proactive amnesty, if you will.
00:19:17.960Well, so, Lou, the quintessential moment of this is a man by the name of Gage Grozenkruz, who's originally from the Wisconsin area.
00:19:27.620He's infamous for being that individual who, during the events of the Kenosha riots, chased down Kyle Rittenhouse, who at the time was a minor, through the streets of Kenosha.
00:19:39.580And we see him on video, this all came out at the trial, drawing a 9mm Glock handgun from his waistband, pulling it around and pointing it at Kyle Rittenhouse's head.
00:19:50.100Kyle Rittenhouse was able to defend himself.
00:20:59.340The summer of rage from May of 2020 to December, really, of 2020 was something, and it does look like we're starting to see the onset of that same level of violence.
00:21:15.220They're picking their places, and they're picking their Republican justice of their choice to demonstrate against and to try to intimidate.
00:21:25.540Justice Clarence Thomas, bless his heart, says the Supreme Court will not be swayed by street violence or demonstrations or any form of attempted intimidation on the part of the left.
00:21:39.480That's good to hear, and it's good to hear a justice say it out loud.
00:21:42.860Well, Lou, these types of activities, you know, political factions using street violence to intimidate courts, I mean, obviously, it's against the law here in the United States in all 50 states.
00:21:54.500But if you go to other parts of the world, this is just a normal part of the political discourse.
00:22:03.680You've even seen this in Eastern Europe, where they've had these events called color revolutions, where political actors gin up these types of violent forces and then use them to achieve their own ends, whether politically or judicially, to be able to either force the outcome of elections, to force judicial decisions.
00:22:24.580Sometimes even topple governments, as we saw across the Arab Spring, as we saw across the Euromaidan, and many other places across Eastern Europe, Eurasia, and the Middle East.
00:22:35.460And in this country, Justice Clarence Thomas is, I think, right now the voice of the court.
00:22:42.700He talked about the need in this country by Americans for one outcome for all, and only the outcome that all wants will be honored and respected by the American people, because we've become a nation of buttercups and daffodils who have little meltdowns when we don't get our way.
00:23:06.500He really, those were my words, not his, he put it far more eloquently, but the fact is, we have a society that is demanding of exactly what they want their way, and no compromise, God forbid.
00:23:23.460Well, Lou, it's interesting you mention it, because there is a point, though, where those elements of society stop becoming buttercups and daffodils, and that's when someone is standing in their way.
00:23:35.620That's when there's a police force in their way, whether it be Seattle in the summer of 2020, where they battled the police force, and the former mayor, Jenny Durkin, demanded that the police force themselves step back, and they instituted this thing called the CHAZ, which I was able to infiltrate.
00:23:52.820They will become the most violent group in America when they see someone in their way, and they are willing to use that violence, whether it be on a minor like Kyle Rittenhouse, whether it be a police force, whether it be the federal courthouse like Portland, or whether it be, just as we saw this past weekend, a pro-life center in Madison, Wisconsin that was put on a list.
00:24:14.980They were willing to firebomb that place with Molotov cocktails, because their violence sees no bounds.
00:24:23.060They view someone who is their political opponent not as someone they should debate against, that they should argue against, that they should take to court and take it all the way up to the Supreme Court.
00:24:33.060That's what we used to say in this country.
00:24:34.380You know, I'll take you to the Supreme Court.
00:24:35.860No, they see you as an enemy on a field of battle that should be destroyed.
00:24:42.100That is the political violence of the left, and that is a huge problem that I have not seen Republicans at a national level and certainly not at a state level to combat.
00:24:51.600And I really think at this point that there needs to be a focus at the state level for the state and local sheriffs, governors.
00:24:59.080You need to be putting together really riot forces at the state level of police, whether it be a police reserve or some type of hired group that's able to come in when these things happen, that they can be rapidly deployed.
00:25:15.840Because we saw this in 2020, that we were not able to get the National Guard there in some of these areas like we were able to.
00:25:22.240And so I just spoke in Kenosha a couple of weeks ago, and that's why it's very fresh on my mind.
00:25:26.300But had the National Guard been out there in Kenosha on night one, that none of those events would have happened.
00:25:33.080And my guess is, and I don't know the sheriff there, but the sheriff's offices, in my opinion, are the great hope for America in law and order because they are elected.
00:25:50.100And police departments have become or are.
00:25:53.520One thinks of Sheriff Villanueva in Los Angeles, for example, a Democrat, but who is persistently patriotic and a man of law and order and reason.
00:26:05.100And he is the only countervailing influence that I can detect in all of Los Angeles County against the exorbitant and inexorable move toward outright authoritarianism in California on the part of the Democratic Party.
00:26:23.600One of the things that we've seen is that it is sheriffs and its local police and even police unions that are one of the last real bastions in government of law and order.
00:26:36.880Right. And sure, you know, they have their issues and I'm not saying they're perfect institutions.
00:26:41.120But what I'm saying is they do exist to uphold these laws.
00:26:46.140And so they they will be willing to go and pull somebody over for having a problem with their their license plate.
00:26:53.480They uphold the very basic level of laws in this country.
00:26:57.740And if you've been to places like I have, like Chaz or the Freddie Gray riots of 2015 or some of these other BLM attacks and Antifa attacks that I've been in in Washington, D.C.
00:27:08.900and other cities that you realize how very quickly, how very quickly our society can boil over when that.
00:27:18.660Facet, that symbol of law and order is pulled back.
00:27:21.540And I'll never forget that night of the Freddie Gray riots in 2015 when the mayor of Baltimore said, we need to give them space.
00:27:29.580You remember that, Lou? They said she said we need to give them space.
00:27:33.880And the police force guarded some of the tourist areas of the of inner Baltimore and others.
00:27:39.660But for the vast majority of that city, if you are a small business owner, if you are a restaurateur or if you are someone who just owned property.
00:27:49.740And much the same thing that happened in Kenosha fast.
00:27:52.900And Kenosha was exactly the same. And it's it's dispiriting to to all law law abiding citizens, irrespective of political preference or partisanship.
00:28:05.660And we've really got to come to terms with it.
00:28:07.780One of the things that I worry most about is that we have a body politic of Republicans, conservatives.
00:28:16.660Patriots, all who really have a very high boiling point.
00:28:22.720And I worry that they're going to wait too long.
00:28:26.340They're going to be passive far too long to be responsive and reactive to the threats that the left poses.
00:28:35.080We've watched an election stolen, a rigged election stolen in 2020.
00:28:40.160In my mind, there is absolutely no doubt.
00:28:43.380And we have a election coming up in six months that there's there's been so little reform that it's almost it's negligible and hardly near enough to prevent a repeat of 2020.
00:28:57.180What you're talking about, though, are not two things that are separate or compartmented.
00:29:03.280Right. There are actually two halves of the same whole because the use of political violence or the willingness to use political violence then creates a chilling effect for the other side.
00:29:15.500So when the other side says, hey, we want to enforce these laws and, you know, just to take the great Dinesh D'Souza's contention that there are some issues with these drop boxes that were completely unmonitored or they were filmed, but nobody was actually paying attention to what was going on.
00:29:32.280And, you know, I'm from the Philadelphia area myself, and I could tell you that, you know, rigging elections in Philadelphia is is a tradition for for the Democrat Party with that, you know, they learned it from New Jersey and Tammany Hall, et cetera, et cetera.
00:29:45.400That. When when we've got an election coming up in just a few weeks, actually two weeks in the city of Philadelphia, which, of course, is tied to the statewide elections throughout Pennsylvania, where we got a Senate race and a governor's race that, again, if you've watched this film, 2000 Mules by Dinesh D'Souza and you turn back and say, well, wait a minute, is anyone doing anything about this?
00:30:07.300No, they're not. And those very same drop boxes will be out across those streets in Philadelphia and the surrounding areas on May 17th for the primary date in Pennsylvania.
00:30:18.160And, Lou, it's my contention that is the threat of political violence that has chilled Republicans up and down.
00:30:25.200So not only to think of it right when they see those hordes of marauders marching up and down in front of Supreme Court justices homes.
00:30:34.040It's an intimidation, not only to those justices, but to any political official who thinks I don't want that to be me.
00:30:40.740I don't want that to be my family. I don't want that to be my children.
00:30:43.780So I'm not going to stand up and do what needs to be done to enforce the law.
00:30:48.780And if if we are intimidating or if we have officials so easily intimidated as that, we're in really big trouble because it's almost irretrievable.
00:30:59.620The ability to counteract to create countervailing influences to street violence in the name of the exalted on high left wing philosophy and ideology.
00:31:13.240This is and this is precisely what I'm talking about, Jack.
00:31:16.920We have to, in some way, understand that the rhinos and the Republican Party are the are the stuff of doom.
00:31:27.720I've always pointed out that rat poison is 98 percent oatmeal.
00:31:33.000Only poison. The only part of it is poison is two percent.
00:31:36.780But in the Republican Party, the rhinos are in, I think, a functional majority in both the House and the Senate and certainly in the NRC.
00:31:46.300And if people do not understand the threat that's posed by the Mitt Romney's, the Lindsey Graham's and the list goes on, unfortunately, the 40 senators who signed a no fly zone demand to President Biden, 40 Republican senators were willing to call for the implementation of an act that Vladimir Putin said would be his red line and result in an act of war.
00:32:12.480And it's still a right. So as a former Navy intelligence officer, the the way a no fly zone works.
00:32:20.960And I don't think a lot of people it sounds very nice. Right. It sounds like a high ideal.
00:32:24.340No fly. That means nobody's going to be in the air. That means everyone's going to be safe.
00:32:27.260Actually, I think the phrase no fly zone, that's that's kind of like when they call it a mostly peaceful protest. Right.
00:32:32.800There'd be a lot of flying in a no fly zone. I think that we should actually refer to them as shoot down zones because that's essentially what it would be declaring.
00:32:40.700This idea that the United States Air Force and, you know, other NATO allied air forces, possibly even the U.S. Navy, of course, the U.S. Navy is one of the second largest air forces in the world would be.
00:32:52.640And right now responsible for most of the the I will call it the surveillance sorties that are being run in Eastern Europe.
00:33:01.820All right. In the Eastern Europe and the Black Sea region. And so what you would what you would what it would require then is that our planes, our men, our fighters would be up there essentially enforcing this no fly zone.
00:33:14.980And of course, Putin, who has said he's going to go in and he's not going to be stopped, is not going to respect our no fly zone.
00:33:22.220So what does that lead to? Right. Well, if you've seen Top Gun. Right.
00:33:25.180That's going to lead to direct air to air combat between the United States, NATO allies and the state of Russia, the Russian military, which, as we knew all through the Cold War, was something that we always wanted to refer to avoid.
00:33:39.960Lou, that's why we call it a Cold War, because we didn't want to go to direct combat with Russia, because, of course, both sides in this conflict have nuclear arsenals.
00:33:48.560Right. Can you believe the Republicans are so frivolous and reckless with the prospect of a war with a nuclear power as they are?
00:33:59.060It's incredibly irresponsible. It's one of the most irresponsible things I've ever seen.
00:34:02.920The idea that and, you know, they they'll play these mind games of saying word games of saying, well, if we if our nukes can get there first, then maybe we can take out Moscow.
00:34:12.480And, you know, Adam Kinzinger will say these things and before they can take out Washington.
00:34:16.620Yes, that's great. But it's how they actually attended briefings on how the nuclear triad works.
00:34:21.880It's called you have you have three stools of this. So you have your you have your long range ballistic missiles.
00:34:26.820You have your stealth bombers, your long range bombers. They have those as well.
00:34:29.440They have blackjacks. And then we have and then you have your nuclear launched submarines, your submarine launch ballistic missiles.
00:34:36.160Our subs cannot be found whether they're coming out of Kings Bay, Georgia, or whether they're coming out of Bremerton, Washington.
00:34:41.180Their subs that have nuclear tip missiles as well cannot be found.
00:34:46.840So if Moscow is taken out or D.C. is taken out, you have the ability the ability for what's called second launch or second strike launch capability, which means if you stop receiving your commands from Washington, that's that's go, go, go.
00:35:00.060Right. And it's the same way for Russian submarines. That's the basis of mutually assured destruction.
00:35:05.960You're not going to be able to get all of them. And so it opens you up to a situation that essentially could lead to nuclear annihilation.
00:35:14.820Very. The strategy, the strategic determinants haven't changed in 50 years.
00:35:20.400Herman Kahn wrote a book called The Unthinkable.
00:35:23.420Henry Kissinger wrote a book, Nuclear Weapons and Foreign Policy in 1957.
00:35:28.400In either case, the result is mutually assured destruction.
00:35:36.920And for these so-called geopolitical experts who make up our armed services committees, our foreign affairs, foreign relations committees,
00:35:46.500these are dilettantes who really shouldn't be playing in the front yard.
00:35:51.480It is it is madness to think what these people are doing and to think that we have Joe Biden mentally impaired, a puppet president in a time in which we are facing that possibility, if not prospect, is truly, truly chilling and sobering.
00:36:11.320So, Jack Pasovic, thanks for being with us here.
00:36:39.740It's about our country and it's about American exceptionalism.
00:36:42.480And it's about the things that we used to have, the shared experiences before this sort of globalized, multinational corporate structure sort of took our country away from us.
00:36:52.540And I think it's important for us to remember the things that we're fighting for, not just the things that we're fighting against.
00:37:05.000Jack Pasovic, thanks for being with us, everybody.
00:37:07.960And please be with us tomorrow for Gordon Chang, who has a fascinating view on what President Biden is contending with, dealing with both China and Russia now and the consequences of their strategic partnership.